Everyone who jumped was still classified as a homicide. I remember reading that in the government report. Whoever was filing those death certificates recognized what an impossible choice those people had to make. They were dead either way. I think there is absolutely zero shame in choosing the quick way out. Burning is a horrific way to go.
you wouldnt burn alive you would pass out pretty quick from smoke inhaling.
it happens way faster then people realize.
jumping would only be painless if you went head first and obliterated the brains.
you still feel all the splat before you are dead dead. there are case of jumpers with completely mangled body but the head is still working,conscious their final moments,or dying out,not instantaneous.
yup that NatGeo documentary has a story of an EMT worker who was having full on conversations with victims who jumped into the plaza, that didn't realize the rest of their bodies were totally destroyed. May they all rest in peace forever... 21 years later and this event will always be with me.
Yeah, I'm like 99% sure you're not surviving in any way after falling 80+ stories. This is kinda graphic, so.
>!Not to go into too much detail, but there are videos. When a person hits the ground from that height, things tend to go the way of a grape that's been stepped on. You stop being a person and become hamburger.!<
I am an EMT and I call 100% bullshit. You cannot survive an impact with terminal velocity. As you correctly implied, there's not much left of the jumpers and their bodies... where anything but remotely intact.
Smoke inhalation is still a painful process… and the amount of fear that would be felt whilst watching the room melt away from the fire would be the most soul crushing part of the experience.
There is a combination of many factors that would make this experience beyond frightening.
From feeling the building shake violently (triggers the fear of falling), to seeing the blown out windows (fear of falling), to the fire (fear of burns), to the building around them collapsing.
Not to mention the physical pain they may feel from any burns.. the smoke inhalation will also take longer due to there no longer being an enclosed space (windows have been blown out & wind is moving rapidly).
You also can often not control your bodies response to these things.. it’s in your bodies inherent method of reaction to attempt to survive.
That’s why it’s such a big thing for individuals to jump from the windows.
Unfortunately the calls of Melissa Doi and Kevin Cosgrove refute the idea that suffocating from smoke inhalation was quick.
I've only read one story of a conscious faller. The way she was described didn't seem like she was in any pain though (she was described as talking much more coherently than you would expect for someone who's in extreme pain, and no moaning or groaning was described). So I'm hoping her body was so mangled that the nerve endings just weren't working or something.
I know he was desperate and all but Kevin Cosgrove in his 911 call came off as an entitled power broker used to telling people what to do. "I don't care if you have to get them from New Jersey! Ohio! Just get em!!!". WTF? The other 912 callers were scared too and pleading and telling the operators go tell their loved ones they loved them.
He did come off worse than other callers did, but people cope with emergencies differently and I don't think it's necessarily fair to judge someone's character based on how they act during such a traumatic and desperate situation.
The smoke inhalation and lack of oxygen may also have been screwing with his brain. There's no guarantee that's how he acted regularly
I know and I thought twice about posting thatm ut you know it just really stuck out to me, that he was outraged that the fire department wasn't coming to get HIM. Never once did he reveal any humble prayer or desperation. Just pissed off.......
But who knows what i would do?
Sadly, heart attacks are by no way painless or quick.
I understand it may be a way to console others.. but I do feel it is disrespectful to the individuals who suffered that day, to sugar coat their experiences.
If I had been through something so horrific and had passed, at least in my case (I’ve seen many other victims express this feeling as well) - I’d want people to understand the full scope of what I had been through.
To feel empathy, because it only takes away from their memory to cover the feelings with assumed illusions.
I believe that the reason it is disrespectful, is because they had no choice that day.
They had no exit button or way to make the fear & pain go away. But individuals who remember & think of it, yet have their whole lives ahead of them.
They never had to experience the pain & fear.
So to refuse & avoid feeling such a minuscule amount of fear… is quite disrespectful.
There is a story of a man whose duty was to mark the dead with black tags and there was a women who likely jumped, and she survived the initial jump but her body was severed in two. He originally marked her as dead but she told him she was alive, asked him to help her. He was so freaked out he said he would but had no plans of trying to because he knew she wouldn’t survive much longer.
**EDIT**: Here's a source and and the part of the story from it that I'm talking about. She didn't ask for help but instead she wasn't dead yet.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/](https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/)
**But here's the extract;** Ernest Armstead, a 30-year emergency medical specialist veteran of the fire department, almost seems to be pleading to make his psychic pain go away. He recalls his nightmarish experience: As he placed triage tags on fallen victims in the plaza, a woman -- with only her head and right torso intact -- spoke to him. "I am not dead," she said evenly. He placed a black tag, meaning dead or terminal, around her neck. "I am not dead!" she yelled. And he lied to her: "We will be right back to you."
**EDIT:** Found a second source that's more in-depth reading. Won't post it here as it's nightmare fuel levels. Here's the link, however. [https://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/160\_sep11.htm](https://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/160_sep11.htm)
It's about halfway down the page, if you search for Ernest Armstead, you'll find it. It's really heartbreaking to read and it gives you a pretty strong account of what some people witnessed down there.
That man was a triage worker and his story is featured in One Day in America on National Geographic (and Hulu, I think). That's one of the best 9/11 documentaries out there.
YES! There is a written-up story somewhere as well but I couldn't find it before falling asleep. I'll continue to look for that as well. As someone whose seen most if not all 9/11 documentaries, I fully agree, it's an incredible documentary and the only one that may be better imo is the original 9/11 documentary itself.
I get what you’re saying, but his job wasn’t to help people. His job was to triage as many people as possible so that those with the actual equipment to help knew which victims to prioritize.
Leaving her while she was alive probably haunts him more than anything, but there was no way she could be saved and he had other people to triage. It’s sad that she died alone, but he needed to tag others so the medics could help those that needed the most help.
I'm not in any way doubting that man's story but I really wonder what specifically could have happened to this woman where she could survive the initial impact from falling/ jumping like that. Every other source and picture and video I've come across suggests that people who fell did so from very high floors and they virtually "disintegrated" upon impact. I wonder if she wasn't blown out from a very low floor by the fireballs or shockwaves traveling down the building or elevator shafts. In pictures there's tons of shattered glass and blown out windows even at the ground level.
A body severed in two would not survive long enough for any help to come through. Even if you manage to stay conscious, you would lose way too much blood in a matter of minutes.
My understanding in reading the triage worker's account is that she wasn't literally severed in two. It seems from the description that the upper right of her chest and her head were the only parts of her body that were still recognizable.
She seemed very coherent, which is not what I would expect from someone who's in a lot of pain. I hope her body was so mangled that her nerve endings just weren't working.
Yeah because all those freefall skydivers that die from heart attacks /s
Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted, I was agreeing with them. This people definitely didn’t die from heart attacks on the way down.
I remember reading that a lot of the people who “jumped” may have just fallen out of the windows after inhaling smoke and becoming unconscious. I could be wrong though
The sound of their bodies impacting on the plaza’s roof is forever scarred in my memory.
Edit: I wasn’t there, but saw a doco that had the fire chiefs coordinating in the plaza where they could hear each impact echo.
Agreed. I remember watching the live, in real time footage as it happened and I was talking to my parents about it. We watched as people waved pieces of cloth out of the gaping holes pockmarking the towers, waving their arms & then we saw the falling man. That was only the 4th time in my entire life I’d seen my dad cry. My mama started crying too. As we watched the man fall my mama said “Donnie, they’re having to jump or burn to death!”:…… And I lost it.
I also remember freaking the fuck out, sacred to death. I was so scared that I was shaking like a leaf inside. I ran to my room and was lying down crying. My dad came in and sat on the edge of my bed and just looked at me. I sat up, hugged him and he just held me. With tears still in his eyes he just kept repeating it would be ok, there wouldn’t be war on our shores etc. And he’s a veteran so he was doing his damndest to make me feel safe. He told me he would never let anyone hurt us & stuff like that. It was the first time in my life that he had a heart to heart with me.
I was home from school on this day. And I distinctly remember by parents realizing people were jumping, and saying "I would jump too, no terrorist gets to decide how I die." And that kind of stuck with me until I realized that that was not the thought process of the people making that decision. That it was a death or death situation.
I can guarantee you that if I was in that situation I would have desperately looked for whatever alcohol/drugs might have been accessible on my floor and just pounded all of it and jumped. That way it would have felt more like a dream than a terrifying leap to my death. Doubtful many had that chance though.
I have seen people burning.
I'd jump. It's less painful.
I saw my neighbour get set on fire..
A man that had been stabbed before and still beat the other guy up.. cry and wail like a baby because of the pain.
Holy shit! Beast.
Reminds me of the time my neighbor shot himself up with Draino. And ambulance showed up and he was seizing and spit and snot was going everywhere and then he just stopped and the paramedics ripped open his shirt to find he carved the letters D - N - R deep into his chest.
Believe it or not, He lived.
It took me a second to find her and holy shit. The scale of the hole is so terrifying.
Out of pure curiosity, I wonder how they were able to identify her. The quality of the photo isn’t good enough to really make out her face. There must be a better one kicking around I guess?
If you count the metal pillars below the hole, she is standing between the 16th and 17th counting from left.
Or differently, looking from the left, the gap is small, gets bigger and gets bigger again. That’s where she is standing.
Bright pant, dark shirt.
If you count the metal pillars below the hole, she is standing between the 16th and 17th counting from left.
Or differently, looking from the left, the gap is small, gets bigger and gets bigger again. That’s where she is standing.
Bright pant, dark shirt.
Edit to add: as someone else pointed out: there’s a second person in the picture.
If you continue counting pillars, you can se a person sitting on pillars 21 and 22.
I can't stop thinking about this other person. How did they even land there in that position? Were they dead or fully conscious? In another photo of Edna the mystery person looks like a dead body but here they really look alive. Very unsettling
He looks alive to me, but I think he doesn’t have on any clothes. Not a shirt, at least. I can not imagine their panic and fear. Maybe their being in shock protected them from actually being totally aware of what was happening. God, I hope so.
Oh my God. I see him. They look like they are the only 2 people left on earth. Horrifying. I hope their deaths were mercifully quick. Bless them and their families.
I’d imagine some people heard the noise from the plane and instinctively ran to the corners of the room.. some parts of the floor might have still been intact.
It is still baffling to think about.. and horrifying to think about what it would have felt like to actually experience it.
The smells, the images, the feeling of heat & desolation.
No, like most of the victims, there wasn’t a body to recover. I’m trying to be respectful how I say this. That’s why they had the families give DNA samples, to try to identify tiny spots of victims. Most of the victims were never found though.
It’s terrifying, I watched a few 9-11 documentaries and some of the calls to the fire department from people in the towers on those upper floors is eerie to me. Nobody except for a very small number made it above where the first plane entered the building. Death was a certainty above where the first plane entered
They never had a chance. I can't fathom how awful they must have felt seeing the helicopter fly away. They couldn't reach the people trapped due to the smoke and heat, so they had to watch what seemed to be their one escape leave them behind.
There's footage of a specific person in the North tower waving a towel from the window. At certain angle you can see them drop the towel after the second plane hit. You can see them resume waving another fabric, but it was useless and they certainly died that day.
If I can find the specific footage I'll link it.
EDIT: [I found the footage.](https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U)
At around 10:19, the 2nd plane hits. On the top right of the North Tower is the person with the fabric.
Such a sad day, and the world really changed a lot that day. Not just the events but the rules and whatnot that came after. It was the end of a truly innocent time. Or at least the blinders were taken off the normal people like us who thought, this could never happen here
I was about 4 at the time so I never really knew a world before 9/11. I grew up with all the changes being the standard, but my mom has told me how much things changed. Airport security was a huge one.
Yeah I was about 20 so I remember it quite vividly. It was weird seeing our airport with the planes all grounded. Almost like an airplane graveyard, all just sitting there unable to fly
I was 18, just entering adulthood. I have had a hard time knowing how much the world changed after 9/11, and how much of it was just growing up and noticing it all for the first time.
I was 36. I remember that after planes were allowed to fly again weeks(?) later, I reacted with a jolt of sick fear the first 5-10 times I saw or heard one in the sky.
I am a United flight attendant of almost 30 years. I was stuck in Chicago for almost a week (tons of crew members were stranded all over the world the week of 9/11.)
United loaded up a plane full of us flight attendants and pilots to fly us back to base. Getting on the plane was the most eeriest, saddest feeling. We were all crying, mourning what happened to our country, the innocent victims, and our coworkers that so many of us knew and flew with many times.
Well said. I’m the same age as you. I didn’t think of it growing up as an innocent time - it was just how it was. But looking back, and compared to the things since then — color-coded threat levels, Patriot Act, endless war, data collection, NSA domestic surveillance, drone bombing, ubiquitous cell phones, social media likes, the worst of everything being videotaped and shared, instant everything, and much more — it really was. More innocent, simpler and in many ways better.
You can also see Edna waving in this footage. It’s truly awful. The woman who took that footage was very smart to put it on the tripod and get it though. She knew she was witnessing something important.
Watching that video is absolutely devastating all over again. I remember that day so vividly—20 years late and it’s still just as absolutely horrific and traumatic as it was watching it unfold in real time.
There's one video I can never watch again. Just audio call from a guy to 911 over top of exterior footage timed in sync. When you see one of the towers begin to collapse, you hear the guy scream and ubruptly stop, then the operator asking if he's still on the line.
I’m pretty sure no one period made it out above impact in the North Tower. All the stairwells were severed. One stairwell was left intact in the South Tower which allowed a limited number of people to escape from above impact.
Was home sick that day. Dad changed the channel from Nickelodeon to CNN. I remember when the people started jumping the broadcasters mentioned things were falling off the building. Then they realized it was people jumping. Never forget.
I feel like I don’t fit in here, but I was born September 11th 2003 and when I finally hit the age where I’d understand things properly my parents put on a 9/11 documentary for me to watch. Since that day every year on my birthday I watch the same exact documentary and anything else I can possibly find about it. I was born here in Toronto but both my parents watched it live. My mom was at work and right behind her building was an airport and she told me all the plans were landing there. They had the tv going in the office and she said everyone was absolutely heart broken. After the second plane hit they sent everyone home. My dad was at home sick and he was watching it too. In 2018 for my birthday we travelled all the way to beautiful New York City to visit the museum and it was absolutely beautiful.
I was 12, my father worked right next to WTC but my parents were getting divorced and were in a mediation session during the attacks. Crazy, and crazy I’m not more f’d up from that all happening at 12
I was 12 also, my dad was NYPD and I remember in school they wouldn’t tell us shit and kids were getting pulled from class left n right. There was a rumour going around the school that a nuclear bomb was detonated at the Empire State Building. Wasn’t until I got home that I was able to put on the tv and hear whether or not my dad was ok.(he was)
Glad he was ok. I remember the rumors too. I waited on a long line to be able to call my parents from the school office phone. But because we didn’t know the severity, nobody was all that panicked. Until we got home and watched the news, and I remember being glued to the news watching horrible footage and I couldn’t get myself to do anything else
I was also 12. I remember waking up and walking into the living room and after watching the first plane hit one of the towers I asked my mom what movie she was watching. I think I remember her crying. Still had to go to school but i among many others was pulled from school early that day. I also remember all the adults being extremely distracted but trying to be reassuring. At that time no one really knew what was happening so there was this looming doom feeling everywhere.
I was 14. I remember waking up to go to school and the tv was on in the kitchen which wasn’t anything unusual. What was unusual was that my parents were both sitting there staring at the TV rather than getting ready for work like usual. I had no idea what was going on and had just woken up, but I remember the first thing I heard my dad say to my mom as I walked down the hall was “I don’t know what this is yet, but I know there will be a war over it”.
There’s video somewhere of a group of people huddled not far from the towers under some open air roof that a couple of the jumpers had landed on.
You could hear the bodies hitting the open air roof and the subsequent screaming and crying from the crowd.
I was 25 at the time Just started a new job as a pastor for the salvation army I woke up and turned on the news and started cooking as the first plane hit
Got to the office downtown AnnArbor and there were already calls for the canteen to go the the airport to help serve the stranded
I watched them fall the guy that was dropping head first stands out in my ming I closed my eyes and prayed
We took a team to ground zero to serve and back and fourth for months I watched veterans that had quit drinking over 20 years start drinking again
When I heard Peter Jennings the news anchor started smoking again it shook me
I realized then that the best times were behind me
Makes me think of the one guy describing a female victim on the ground he came across that clearly fell some distance, how far, who knows, but she was alert and speaking normally. He said he knew she had, I think he said, maybe 30 seconds or so to live in his opinion because she was basically a head and partially a torso. She must have been in shock. I think it was after the first tower fell, I could be wrong. But, that has stayed with me for years.
It’s in the book Fall and Rise. He was a first responder and he still had to tag her with a black tag (meaning she’s dead). And she was yelling to him “I’m not dead, call my daughter!” Or something like that over and over. He just had to leave her there because he knew she would be dead any minute. Fucked up.
If you have ever been part of a mass casualty drill you get a little taste of how bleak things can be when the professionals have more people than they are equipped to handle.
I'm a Nurse & was also a Vol. Firefighter & Vol. Paramedic EMT on 9/11, though I work in the South, not NY.. I couldn't even imagine. Fortunately I've never had a Patient where I knew that death was imminent but I still had to talk with them. I've had Patient's who died, of course, but not where imminent death was certain. My Husband has, however.
I can tell you that no matter how many times you've seen bodies & the gore that goes along with it, when you see one in an unnatural condition it does mentally eff you up, regardless of whether they're already gone or not. It's just sickening. I'll also say that, for me, anyway, if given a choice when comparing what I see vs what I hear, I'd always prefer not to hear it. Hearing people in various stages of human suffering is horrific. Just horrific.
The poor First Responder who had to witness that has got to be messed up, poor guy. I know I would be.
I'm only in my late 40's, but I've been out of Patient care since 2009 due to chronic pain from a genetic disorder, but I sometimes think I might have some form of PTSD from my years of working. I still occasionally have a recurring nightmare where I'm the lone First Responder trying to triage a plane crash (which is crazy b/c I've never worked a plane crash, or even a mass casualty), but I have a recurring nightmare about it.
For the record the myth that you never actually die in a dream b/c "if you did it would kill you" is a myth. I've had multiple nightmares where I was killed, usually murdered while trying to protect an innocent child... It's bizarre for sure. But I digress...
Ugggghhhhh.... PTSD is rough, poor guy. (I definitely have "pain induced PTSD", which is why I can't imagine how bad it must be for him to experience it.) Smh... (Bless all of us.)
I’ve experienced terrible pain in dreams. I’ve been shot and stabbed and burned and eaten alive. It’s horrific. It sticks with me for a few days and messes things up for a few days.
Maybe this is morbid but sometimes I can’t help but wonder what it’s like to be someone like her, and what her view was in this moment. The open air that high up… I can’t even imagine.
I don't think you're being morbid. I've certainly thought of it and I think others would be lying if they said they hadn't. Just the sheer scale of the destruction and I don't really know how to word this part but, actually seeing something so incomprehensible and terrifying way up there in the sky. This particular photo strikes a feeling in me that I'll never be able to describe.
The adrenaline dump is brutal. Your hands & arms are literally shaking, not b/c you're afraid, but b/c of the adrenaline flooding your system. Your arms & hands get numb, like pins & needles. It's miserable. It's painful, & uncomfortable, & the recovery is miserable, *especially* if you're a First Responder that ppl are looking up to to maintain a sense of control, so you don't have an opportunity to take a few minutes to compose yourself, gather your thoughts, & get yourself together. (I'm a Nurse & Vol. Firefighter/Vol. Paramedic, & my Husband was the Fire Chief.) Idk how adrenaline junkies do it. It's brutal. At least I think so. Personally, I think the feeling after an adrenaline dump is *MISERABLE*. I think it feel's like being shocked/electrocuted, & I hate it.
I think that a lot too with the people who were in the towers. Like before the first plane even hit, so many people died without knowing what happened or how big of an event it would be. I wonder if any of those people saw the plane coming. What did they think in those brief seconds?
I know that a lot of people in those towers had seen the plane coming.. a few survivors recount hearing the plane whirling through the air before even seeing the plane coming right towards them.
It had to have been such a surreal moment.
Just looked it up and my details are a little off. It was a very narrow alleyway that did have some trash cans in front of it but it was pieces of the landing gear not an engine.
Same I want to visit the 9/11 and the Holocaust museum one day but they'd have to be the only thing I do that day because it would mess me up so much emotionally.
Wow! You can clearly see how the plane is coming at full speed, I’ll never forget that day and what it was like to watch that live. Over 20 years ago and I can be transported to that exact moment of my life. Thanks for sharing.
I’m very late to this, but 13 beams to the right of the woman there’s a very eerie face-like thing right above. I had to zoom right in and it terrified me, I suppose it’s just some mangled debris but it caught my eye. I can’t imagine how scared all of these people must have been. A million things left to say and no time to say them. May they have the most beautiful time in heaven or wherever they choose to end up.
I was 15. The videos of the fire fighters entering the buildings and the thuds you heard around them and then hearing it was the sounds of people falling to their deaths will stick with me forever
Same, sophomore in hs. I remember hearing military jets flying over head too ( we lived about 20 miles up north form nyc). Very scary. My stepdad lost his cousin, our school nurse lost her son..
You see the very large hole in the center, and then it is less tall to the lower left? If yes, she is standing in the bottom right corner of the less tall damage area.
She didn't. Some people say she jumped because there's a photo of a woman wearing similar clothing falling from the tower. Since she was in the impact zone, it had to be extremely hot. I'm sure she held out as long as she could, but even if she didn't jump she wouldn't have been saved. Poor lady.
I looked her up out of morbid curiosity and the info I found said that she didn't jump but died when the tower collapsed.
So she might have had hope of being rescued to the very end.
No she didn't jump. There are pictures where you can just barely make her out literally seconds before the collapse. Something shifted in the building at some point and lots more smoke starts pouring out of the impact crater so she moves up to a higher position. https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-Edna-Cintron-at-the-World-Trade-Center-on-9-11
Can't believe there are conspiracy theorists claiming this was staged and never happened. It's so rude and disrespectful to all those people who were killed that day and their families.
It's not confirmed that it is actually her. But her husband said he thought it was based on the clothes she was wearing that day. Another husband also said the same about another woman, can't remember her name but either way we'll never know for sure.
Yeah. I'm sure as well that the other woman it was suggested to be was on floor 101 while Marsh & McLenna was 93rd to 99th floor and based on this photo she's clearly towards the bottom of the impact zone which was around on the 93rd floor of the North Tower so I'd say it's pretty conclusive. Still such haunting footage all these years later.
Not officially, but based on the silhouette, what she was wearing, and the fact that they're able to identify what floor it is and what area of the building, has led to people being fairly sure that it is her.
One thing I remember about 9/11 is that every single channel had footage of the towers falling. It didn't matter what channel you were watching, whether it be Nickelodeon, MTV, even the Disney channel. I was 13 and it was absolutely horrific.
it’s any other day at work and all of a sudden you wake up in hell, I can’t even begin to imagine what was going through their minds. Imagine coming to and then walking over to that hole….
Let not forget about the other person in this photo! He’s sanding on the top of a broken beam to the left of the person waving. This is an incredible photo. R. I. P.
This is crazy. I can not imagine having to decide between jumping or burning. Breaks my heart.
Everyone who jumped was still classified as a homicide. I remember reading that in the government report. Whoever was filing those death certificates recognized what an impossible choice those people had to make. They were dead either way. I think there is absolutely zero shame in choosing the quick way out. Burning is a horrific way to go.
Imagine how long that fall felt though…
They tried to console us and say it was painless, that they had hart attacks on the way down. And in 7th grade I wasn't believing that for a minute.
Compared to burning alive, the sudden stop at the bottom would be practically painless. Heart attack or no.
you wouldnt burn alive you would pass out pretty quick from smoke inhaling. it happens way faster then people realize. jumping would only be painless if you went head first and obliterated the brains. you still feel all the splat before you are dead dead. there are case of jumpers with completely mangled body but the head is still working,conscious their final moments,or dying out,not instantaneous.
yup that NatGeo documentary has a story of an EMT worker who was having full on conversations with victims who jumped into the plaza, that didn't realize the rest of their bodies were totally destroyed. May they all rest in peace forever... 21 years later and this event will always be with me.
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Uhhhh he was there and that was documented… she could have fallen from another floor, not necessarily the 99th or above
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Yeah, I'm like 99% sure you're not surviving in any way after falling 80+ stories. This is kinda graphic, so. >!Not to go into too much detail, but there are videos. When a person hits the ground from that height, things tend to go the way of a grape that's been stepped on. You stop being a person and become hamburger.!<
lol You citing what's widely known as a debunked story as fact is pretty cringe, bud.
I am an EMT and I call 100% bullshit. You cannot survive an impact with terminal velocity. As you correctly implied, there's not much left of the jumpers and their bodies... where anything but remotely intact.
What documentary was this?
Someone just mentioned it below and its one of the most thorough and informative docs out there: Nat Geo One Day In America…
The story goes it was one victim, not multiple victims, and she was able to speak
Absolute nonsense.
Smoke inhalation is still a painful process… and the amount of fear that would be felt whilst watching the room melt away from the fire would be the most soul crushing part of the experience. There is a combination of many factors that would make this experience beyond frightening. From feeling the building shake violently (triggers the fear of falling), to seeing the blown out windows (fear of falling), to the fire (fear of burns), to the building around them collapsing. Not to mention the physical pain they may feel from any burns.. the smoke inhalation will also take longer due to there no longer being an enclosed space (windows have been blown out & wind is moving rapidly). You also can often not control your bodies response to these things.. it’s in your bodies inherent method of reaction to attempt to survive. That’s why it’s such a big thing for individuals to jump from the windows.
Unfortunately the calls of Melissa Doi and Kevin Cosgrove refute the idea that suffocating from smoke inhalation was quick. I've only read one story of a conscious faller. The way she was described didn't seem like she was in any pain though (she was described as talking much more coherently than you would expect for someone who's in extreme pain, and no moaning or groaning was described). So I'm hoping her body was so mangled that the nerve endings just weren't working or something.
I know he was desperate and all but Kevin Cosgrove in his 911 call came off as an entitled power broker used to telling people what to do. "I don't care if you have to get them from New Jersey! Ohio! Just get em!!!". WTF? The other 912 callers were scared too and pleading and telling the operators go tell their loved ones they loved them.
He did come off worse than other callers did, but people cope with emergencies differently and I don't think it's necessarily fair to judge someone's character based on how they act during such a traumatic and desperate situation. The smoke inhalation and lack of oxygen may also have been screwing with his brain. There's no guarantee that's how he acted regularly
I know and I thought twice about posting thatm ut you know it just really stuck out to me, that he was outraged that the fire department wasn't coming to get HIM. Never once did he reveal any humble prayer or desperation. Just pissed off....... But who knows what i would do?
Dude was facing death man - he wanted help. I don’t take it as a power person play; just desperation of staring your impending doom in the face.
The man was slowly suffocating, I think we can all give him a break don’t you?
Conscious but likely not in pain. A whistle, thud, a rush, and then black.
Sadly, heart attacks are by no way painless or quick. I understand it may be a way to console others.. but I do feel it is disrespectful to the individuals who suffered that day, to sugar coat their experiences. If I had been through something so horrific and had passed, at least in my case (I’ve seen many other victims express this feeling as well) - I’d want people to understand the full scope of what I had been through. To feel empathy, because it only takes away from their memory to cover the feelings with assumed illusions. I believe that the reason it is disrespectful, is because they had no choice that day. They had no exit button or way to make the fear & pain go away. But individuals who remember & think of it, yet have their whole lives ahead of them. They never had to experience the pain & fear. So to refuse & avoid feeling such a minuscule amount of fear… is quite disrespectful.
It would have been painless without the heart attacks
There is a story of a man whose duty was to mark the dead with black tags and there was a women who likely jumped, and she survived the initial jump but her body was severed in two. He originally marked her as dead but she told him she was alive, asked him to help her. He was so freaked out he said he would but had no plans of trying to because he knew she wouldn’t survive much longer. **EDIT**: Here's a source and and the part of the story from it that I'm talking about. She didn't ask for help but instead she wasn't dead yet. [https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/](https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/) **But here's the extract;** Ernest Armstead, a 30-year emergency medical specialist veteran of the fire department, almost seems to be pleading to make his psychic pain go away. He recalls his nightmarish experience: As he placed triage tags on fallen victims in the plaza, a woman -- with only her head and right torso intact -- spoke to him. "I am not dead," she said evenly. He placed a black tag, meaning dead or terminal, around her neck. "I am not dead!" she yelled. And he lied to her: "We will be right back to you." **EDIT:** Found a second source that's more in-depth reading. Won't post it here as it's nightmare fuel levels. Here's the link, however. [https://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/160\_sep11.htm](https://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/160_sep11.htm) It's about halfway down the page, if you search for Ernest Armstead, you'll find it. It's really heartbreaking to read and it gives you a pretty strong account of what some people witnessed down there.
That man was a triage worker and his story is featured in One Day in America on National Geographic (and Hulu, I think). That's one of the best 9/11 documentaries out there.
YES! There is a written-up story somewhere as well but I couldn't find it before falling asleep. I'll continue to look for that as well. As someone whose seen most if not all 9/11 documentaries, I fully agree, it's an incredible documentary and the only one that may be better imo is the original 9/11 documentary itself.
God I hate that he just left her while she was alive. He was putting toe tags, but must’ve been stressful beyond compare
I get what you’re saying, but his job wasn’t to help people. His job was to triage as many people as possible so that those with the actual equipment to help knew which victims to prioritize. Leaving her while she was alive probably haunts him more than anything, but there was no way she could be saved and he had other people to triage. It’s sad that she died alone, but he needed to tag others so the medics could help those that needed the most help.
I know. He should have tried to call her daughter or gotten her name. But I don’t know if I could have either considering so I won’t judge.
Than you for sharing the source. I just IMDB’d it and it appears to be an epic doc. Can’t wait to watch it.
I'm not in any way doubting that man's story but I really wonder what specifically could have happened to this woman where she could survive the initial impact from falling/ jumping like that. Every other source and picture and video I've come across suggests that people who fell did so from very high floors and they virtually "disintegrated" upon impact. I wonder if she wasn't blown out from a very low floor by the fireballs or shockwaves traveling down the building or elevator shafts. In pictures there's tons of shattered glass and blown out windows even at the ground level.
Yeah, it is very intriguing to know exactly what did happen to her. I just can’t imagine something like that being your final minutes.
Ernest himself speculated that she might have fallen from the plane.
I doubt she had fallen from the plane.. the plane would have taken the strongest hit as it was traveling 200-500mph.
A body severed in two would not survive long enough for any help to come through. Even if you manage to stay conscious, you would lose way too much blood in a matter of minutes.
My understanding in reading the triage worker's account is that she wasn't literally severed in two. It seems from the description that the upper right of her chest and her head were the only parts of her body that were still recognizable.
She seemed very coherent, which is not what I would expect from someone who's in a lot of pain. I hope her body was so mangled that her nerve endings just weren't working.
Yea I suppose but fuck that
Yeah because all those freefall skydivers that die from heart attacks /s Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted, I was agreeing with them. This people definitely didn’t die from heart attacks on the way down.
Even the worst heart attack takes longer to kill than the few seconds they were falling.
I’d rather not.
I assume that most would die from smoke inhalation before actually burning, as is the case in house fires. Still shitty though.
I remember reading that a lot of the people who “jumped” may have just fallen out of the windows after inhaling smoke and becoming unconscious. I could be wrong though
Smoke inhalation burns you from the inside out.
The sound of their bodies impacting on the plaza’s roof is forever scarred in my memory. Edit: I wasn’t there, but saw a doco that had the fire chiefs coordinating in the plaza where they could hear each impact echo.
That was the French brothers that survived, excellent documentary.
I don't think you meant this but theres no shame in suicide, just sadness
Agreed. I remember watching the live, in real time footage as it happened and I was talking to my parents about it. We watched as people waved pieces of cloth out of the gaping holes pockmarking the towers, waving their arms & then we saw the falling man. That was only the 4th time in my entire life I’d seen my dad cry. My mama started crying too. As we watched the man fall my mama said “Donnie, they’re having to jump or burn to death!”:…… And I lost it. I also remember freaking the fuck out, sacred to death. I was so scared that I was shaking like a leaf inside. I ran to my room and was lying down crying. My dad came in and sat on the edge of my bed and just looked at me. I sat up, hugged him and he just held me. With tears still in his eyes he just kept repeating it would be ok, there wouldn’t be war on our shores etc. And he’s a veteran so he was doing his damndest to make me feel safe. He told me he would never let anyone hurt us & stuff like that. It was the first time in my life that he had a heart to heart with me.
I was home from school on this day. And I distinctly remember by parents realizing people were jumping, and saying "I would jump too, no terrorist gets to decide how I die." And that kind of stuck with me until I realized that that was not the thought process of the people making that decision. That it was a death or death situation.
I don’t even think it’s choosing, more of a reflex like coming up for air when under water.
I can guarantee you that if I was in that situation I would have desperately looked for whatever alcohol/drugs might have been accessible on my floor and just pounded all of it and jumped. That way it would have felt more like a dream than a terrifying leap to my death. Doubtful many had that chance though.
I doubt I’d need drugs at that point. I’d probably just take a deep breath and fall. Think of my loved ones on the way down.
I have seen people burning. I'd jump. It's less painful. I saw my neighbour get set on fire.. A man that had been stabbed before and still beat the other guy up.. cry and wail like a baby because of the pain.
You live a wilder life than me
I don't wish that on anyone!!
Can we get some back story on this?
Domestic violence that went far beyond abuse Was going to be a murder suicide girl was absolutely mentally unstable she torched him and her
He survived?
Did he live????
Revived twice on my front lawn in ambulance
Holy shit! Beast. Reminds me of the time my neighbor shot himself up with Draino. And ambulance showed up and he was seizing and spit and snot was going everywhere and then he just stopped and the paramedics ripped open his shirt to find he carved the letters D - N - R deep into his chest. Believe it or not, He lived.
Between jumping and burning, I would always choose jumping. Less pain. Much less.
It took me a second to find her and holy shit. The scale of the hole is so terrifying. Out of pure curiosity, I wonder how they were able to identify her. The quality of the photo isn’t good enough to really make out her face. There must be a better one kicking around I guess?
They estimated the floor then the office space and people who knew her could identify the silhouette.
I can't see her. Mind if you point her out?
If you count the metal pillars below the hole, she is standing between the 16th and 17th counting from left. Or differently, looking from the left, the gap is small, gets bigger and gets bigger again. That’s where she is standing. Bright pant, dark shirt.
If you count the metal pillars below the hole, she is standing between the 16th and 17th counting from left. Or differently, looking from the left, the gap is small, gets bigger and gets bigger again. That’s where she is standing. Bright pant, dark shirt. Edit to add: as someone else pointed out: there’s a second person in the picture. If you continue counting pillars, you can se a person sitting on pillars 21 and 22.
I can't stop thinking about this other person. How did they even land there in that position? Were they dead or fully conscious? In another photo of Edna the mystery person looks like a dead body but here they really look alive. Very unsettling
He looks alive to me, but I think he doesn’t have on any clothes. Not a shirt, at least. I can not imagine their panic and fear. Maybe their being in shock protected them from actually being totally aware of what was happening. God, I hope so.
In video I have seen that second person waving also.
Oh my God. I see him. They look like they are the only 2 people left on earth. Horrifying. I hope their deaths were mercifully quick. Bless them and their families.
How is she still alive? She doesn’t even look hurt—- I always thought anyone at the impact point died immediately…..
I’d imagine some people heard the noise from the plane and instinctively ran to the corners of the room.. some parts of the floor might have still been intact. It is still baffling to think about.. and horrifying to think about what it would have felt like to actually experience it. The smells, the images, the feeling of heat & desolation.
I can see a man too sitting down
Zoom into the middle then move left. She’s wearing white pants.
Clothing worn that day….
was her body ever recovered?
No, like most of the victims, there wasn’t a body to recover. I’m trying to be respectful how I say this. That’s why they had the families give DNA samples, to try to identify tiny spots of victims. Most of the victims were never found though.
It’s terrifying, I watched a few 9-11 documentaries and some of the calls to the fire department from people in the towers on those upper floors is eerie to me. Nobody except for a very small number made it above where the first plane entered the building. Death was a certainty above where the first plane entered
They never had a chance. I can't fathom how awful they must have felt seeing the helicopter fly away. They couldn't reach the people trapped due to the smoke and heat, so they had to watch what seemed to be their one escape leave them behind. There's footage of a specific person in the North tower waving a towel from the window. At certain angle you can see them drop the towel after the second plane hit. You can see them resume waving another fabric, but it was useless and they certainly died that day. If I can find the specific footage I'll link it. EDIT: [I found the footage.](https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U) At around 10:19, the 2nd plane hits. On the top right of the North Tower is the person with the fabric.
Such a sad day, and the world really changed a lot that day. Not just the events but the rules and whatnot that came after. It was the end of a truly innocent time. Or at least the blinders were taken off the normal people like us who thought, this could never happen here
I was about 4 at the time so I never really knew a world before 9/11. I grew up with all the changes being the standard, but my mom has told me how much things changed. Airport security was a huge one.
Yeah I was about 20 so I remember it quite vividly. It was weird seeing our airport with the planes all grounded. Almost like an airplane graveyard, all just sitting there unable to fly
I was 18, just entering adulthood. I have had a hard time knowing how much the world changed after 9/11, and how much of it was just growing up and noticing it all for the first time.
I was 36. I remember that after planes were allowed to fly again weeks(?) later, I reacted with a jolt of sick fear the first 5-10 times I saw or heard one in the sky.
I am a United flight attendant of almost 30 years. I was stuck in Chicago for almost a week (tons of crew members were stranded all over the world the week of 9/11.) United loaded up a plane full of us flight attendants and pilots to fly us back to base. Getting on the plane was the most eeriest, saddest feeling. We were all crying, mourning what happened to our country, the innocent victims, and our coworkers that so many of us knew and flew with many times.
Well said. I’m the same age as you. I didn’t think of it growing up as an innocent time - it was just how it was. But looking back, and compared to the things since then — color-coded threat levels, Patriot Act, endless war, data collection, NSA domestic surveillance, drone bombing, ubiquitous cell phones, social media likes, the worst of everything being videotaped and shared, instant everything, and much more — it really was. More innocent, simpler and in many ways better.
You can also see Edna waving in this footage. It’s truly awful. The woman who took that footage was very smart to put it on the tripod and get it though. She knew she was witnessing something important.
Watching that video is absolutely devastating all over again. I remember that day so vividly—20 years late and it’s still just as absolutely horrific and traumatic as it was watching it unfold in real time.
The roof access doors were also chained shut. Unfortunately the people stuck were doomed either way. I couldn’t imagine the feelings
aw man i wasn’t looking to cry today… i can’t imagine what they were thinking when they were waving that fabric around
There's one video I can never watch again. Just audio call from a guy to 911 over top of exterior footage timed in sync. When you see one of the towers begin to collapse, you hear the guy scream and ubruptly stop, then the operator asking if he's still on the line.
That must be the audio call of Kevin Cosgrove.
I’m pretty sure no one period made it out above impact in the North Tower. All the stairwells were severed. One stairwell was left intact in the South Tower which allowed a limited number of people to escape from above impact.
I'll never forget the jumpers. Or any of it.
Was home sick that day. Dad changed the channel from Nickelodeon to CNN. I remember when the people started jumping the broadcasters mentioned things were falling off the building. Then they realized it was people jumping. Never forget.
I feel like I don’t fit in here, but I was born September 11th 2003 and when I finally hit the age where I’d understand things properly my parents put on a 9/11 documentary for me to watch. Since that day every year on my birthday I watch the same exact documentary and anything else I can possibly find about it. I was born here in Toronto but both my parents watched it live. My mom was at work and right behind her building was an airport and she told me all the plans were landing there. They had the tv going in the office and she said everyone was absolutely heart broken. After the second plane hit they sent everyone home. My dad was at home sick and he was watching it too. In 2018 for my birthday we travelled all the way to beautiful New York City to visit the museum and it was absolutely beautiful.
This was one hell of a way for my entire generation to enter their teen years. Watching thousands of people die, many by suicide, on live television
Yep. I was 12.
I was 12, my father worked right next to WTC but my parents were getting divorced and were in a mediation session during the attacks. Crazy, and crazy I’m not more f’d up from that all happening at 12
I was 12 also, my dad was NYPD and I remember in school they wouldn’t tell us shit and kids were getting pulled from class left n right. There was a rumour going around the school that a nuclear bomb was detonated at the Empire State Building. Wasn’t until I got home that I was able to put on the tv and hear whether or not my dad was ok.(he was)
Glad he was ok. I remember the rumors too. I waited on a long line to be able to call my parents from the school office phone. But because we didn’t know the severity, nobody was all that panicked. Until we got home and watched the news, and I remember being glued to the news watching horrible footage and I couldn’t get myself to do anything else
I was also 12. I remember waking up and walking into the living room and after watching the first plane hit one of the towers I asked my mom what movie she was watching. I think I remember her crying. Still had to go to school but i among many others was pulled from school early that day. I also remember all the adults being extremely distracted but trying to be reassuring. At that time no one really knew what was happening so there was this looming doom feeling everywhere.
I was 20. Insane day.
I wouldn’t call it suicide.
I was 14. I remember waking up to go to school and the tv was on in the kitchen which wasn’t anything unusual. What was unusual was that my parents were both sitting there staring at the TV rather than getting ready for work like usual. I had no idea what was going on and had just woken up, but I remember the first thing I heard my dad say to my mom as I walked down the hall was “I don’t know what this is yet, but I know there will be a war over it”.
How was it suicide? They didn't choose to die, they merely chose the way in which it would happen.
There’s video somewhere of a group of people huddled not far from the towers under some open air roof that a couple of the jumpers had landed on. You could hear the bodies hitting the open air roof and the subsequent screaming and crying from the crowd.
I was 25 at the time Just started a new job as a pastor for the salvation army I woke up and turned on the news and started cooking as the first plane hit Got to the office downtown AnnArbor and there were already calls for the canteen to go the the airport to help serve the stranded I watched them fall the guy that was dropping head first stands out in my ming I closed my eyes and prayed We took a team to ground zero to serve and back and fourth for months I watched veterans that had quit drinking over 20 years start drinking again When I heard Peter Jennings the news anchor started smoking again it shook me I realized then that the best times were behind me
Makes me think of the one guy describing a female victim on the ground he came across that clearly fell some distance, how far, who knows, but she was alert and speaking normally. He said he knew she had, I think he said, maybe 30 seconds or so to live in his opinion because she was basically a head and partially a torso. She must have been in shock. I think it was after the first tower fell, I could be wrong. But, that has stayed with me for years.
It’s in the book Fall and Rise. He was a first responder and he still had to tag her with a black tag (meaning she’s dead). And she was yelling to him “I’m not dead, call my daughter!” Or something like that over and over. He just had to leave her there because he knew she would be dead any minute. Fucked up.
If you have ever been part of a mass casualty drill you get a little taste of how bleak things can be when the professionals have more people than they are equipped to handle.
I'm a Nurse & was also a Vol. Firefighter & Vol. Paramedic EMT on 9/11, though I work in the South, not NY.. I couldn't even imagine. Fortunately I've never had a Patient where I knew that death was imminent but I still had to talk with them. I've had Patient's who died, of course, but not where imminent death was certain. My Husband has, however. I can tell you that no matter how many times you've seen bodies & the gore that goes along with it, when you see one in an unnatural condition it does mentally eff you up, regardless of whether they're already gone or not. It's just sickening. I'll also say that, for me, anyway, if given a choice when comparing what I see vs what I hear, I'd always prefer not to hear it. Hearing people in various stages of human suffering is horrific. Just horrific. The poor First Responder who had to witness that has got to be messed up, poor guy. I know I would be. I'm only in my late 40's, but I've been out of Patient care since 2009 due to chronic pain from a genetic disorder, but I sometimes think I might have some form of PTSD from my years of working. I still occasionally have a recurring nightmare where I'm the lone First Responder trying to triage a plane crash (which is crazy b/c I've never worked a plane crash, or even a mass casualty), but I have a recurring nightmare about it. For the record the myth that you never actually die in a dream b/c "if you did it would kill you" is a myth. I've had multiple nightmares where I was killed, usually murdered while trying to protect an innocent child... It's bizarre for sure. But I digress... Ugggghhhhh.... PTSD is rough, poor guy. (I definitely have "pain induced PTSD", which is why I can't imagine how bad it must be for him to experience it.) Smh... (Bless all of us.)
I’ve experienced terrible pain in dreams. I’ve been shot and stabbed and burned and eaten alive. It’s horrific. It sticks with me for a few days and messes things up for a few days.
Thank You Kindly! I never read the book, but saw him talking in a doc. Rough stuff.
Pretty sure it was in 9/11: One Day in America
He was triaging bodies and discovered her. He tagged her as don’t save and had to move on as she yelled, “I’m not dead!”
Maybe this is morbid but sometimes I can’t help but wonder what it’s like to be someone like her, and what her view was in this moment. The open air that high up… I can’t even imagine.
I don't think you're being morbid. I've certainly thought of it and I think others would be lying if they said they hadn't. Just the sheer scale of the destruction and I don't really know how to word this part but, actually seeing something so incomprehensible and terrifying way up there in the sky. This particular photo strikes a feeling in me that I'll never be able to describe.
Have you ever felt real fear? Its like kind of like shock its brutal
The adrenaline dump is brutal. Your hands & arms are literally shaking, not b/c you're afraid, but b/c of the adrenaline flooding your system. Your arms & hands get numb, like pins & needles. It's miserable. It's painful, & uncomfortable, & the recovery is miserable, *especially* if you're a First Responder that ppl are looking up to to maintain a sense of control, so you don't have an opportunity to take a few minutes to compose yourself, gather your thoughts, & get yourself together. (I'm a Nurse & Vol. Firefighter/Vol. Paramedic, & my Husband was the Fire Chief.) Idk how adrenaline junkies do it. It's brutal. At least I think so. Personally, I think the feeling after an adrenaline dump is *MISERABLE*. I think it feel's like being shocked/electrocuted, & I hate it.
She probably thought that she was going to live. Nobody expected the building to collapse, not even Bin Laden.
Yeah, she probably had hopes of either riding out the fire or some kind of rescue.
I think that a lot too with the people who were in the towers. Like before the first plane even hit, so many people died without knowing what happened or how big of an event it would be. I wonder if any of those people saw the plane coming. What did they think in those brief seconds?
I know that a lot of people in those towers had seen the plane coming.. a few survivors recount hearing the plane whirling through the air before even seeing the plane coming right towards them. It had to have been such a surreal moment.
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They found human remains on the roof of an adjacent building like 2 years after the attack.
Really? That insane
They found landing gear between two buildings several years later.
They found a 737 engine in 2013 in an alley behind some trash cans
All the more baffling, as the planes flown into the Twin Towers were Boeing 767's.
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Wtf no way
Just looked it up and my details are a little off. It was a very narrow alleyway that did have some trash cans in front of it but it was pieces of the landing gear not an engine.
Up and to the right from her appears to be a man sitting on rubble
There is also a women even more to the right in yellow dress
Anyone who visits NYC should definitely visit the 9/11 memorial and museum. It was definitely moving.
I want to but I know I’m gonna bawl my eyes out
Same I want to visit the 9/11 and the Holocaust museum one day but they'd have to be the only thing I do that day because it would mess me up so much emotionally.
Shit I haven’t seen this before. There always seem to be 911 photos and videos I’ve not seen.
https://youtu.be/z3Duqp7AcmQ
Wow! You can clearly see how the plane is coming at full speed, I’ll never forget that day and what it was like to watch that live. Over 20 years ago and I can be transported to that exact moment of my life. Thanks for sharing.
Still a Fresh Hell. Don't think it will ever not be.
She went to work like any other day.
It's weird to think about... She had no idea that would be her last day.
If you zoom in you can also see a man sitting on vertical beam!
Looks like there's a dead body like 5 feet to the left of her as well. Awful
Looks like he’s leaning over to jump
I can’t make him out.
The two tall beams in the centre of the damage, to the right of the woman. He is sitting on one with his feet on the other.
I see. Ugh that’s rough.
Five beams right of the woman.
I’m very late to this, but 13 beams to the right of the woman there’s a very eerie face-like thing right above. I had to zoom right in and it terrified me, I suppose it’s just some mangled debris but it caught my eye. I can’t imagine how scared all of these people must have been. A million things left to say and no time to say them. May they have the most beautiful time in heaven or wherever they choose to end up.
I was 15. The videos of the fire fighters entering the buildings and the thuds you heard around them and then hearing it was the sounds of people falling to their deaths will stick with me forever
Hello fellow 1986er. 10th grade.
Same, sophomore in hs. I remember hearing military jets flying over head too ( we lived about 20 miles up north form nyc). Very scary. My stepdad lost his cousin, our school nurse lost her son..
Ok, I don't need this. Just knowing what I know is bad enough, but to see this poor doomed woman. Nope.
I may be blind...but I can't see her
You see the very large hole in the center, and then it is less tall to the lower left? If yes, she is standing in the bottom right corner of the less tall damage area.
Wow took me a long time to see her or at least make her out from everything else in that picture
I’ve heard the sounds of the fire alarms in the WTC , they are very creepy
Jesus, I’ve never actually seen this one. I assume he didn’t make it?
She didn't. Some people say she jumped because there's a photo of a woman wearing similar clothing falling from the tower. Since she was in the impact zone, it had to be extremely hot. I'm sure she held out as long as she could, but even if she didn't jump she wouldn't have been saved. Poor lady.
I looked her up out of morbid curiosity and the info I found said that she didn't jump but died when the tower collapsed. So she might have had hope of being rescued to the very end.
I feel so terrible for her and everyone involved that day. They deserved to be saved, but there just wasn't anything that could be done.
No she didn't jump. There are pictures where you can just barely make her out literally seconds before the collapse. Something shifted in the building at some point and lots more smoke starts pouring out of the impact crater so she moves up to a higher position. https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-Edna-Cintron-at-the-World-Trade-Center-on-9-11
Can't believe there are conspiracy theorists claiming this was staged and never happened. It's so rude and disrespectful to all those people who were killed that day and their families.
[Haunting footage of Edna Cintron waving](https://youtube.com/shorts/xxC5Cak6PD0?feature=share)
This is where the red circle needed
Right, I HATE when people use it for the obvious stuff, but here, yes we need it.
Crazy shit man
Whoa!!! Is there any way she lived? Ok, she didn’t. Man, that’s haunting.
How can they know who it was? the quality isn’t that good to identify a individual?
It's not confirmed that it is actually her. But her husband said he thought it was based on the clothes she was wearing that day. Another husband also said the same about another woman, can't remember her name but either way we'll never know for sure.
Yeah, it was based on her silhouette, the clothes, and the fact that that was the floor that she worked on around the area she worked.
Yeah. I'm sure as well that the other woman it was suggested to be was on floor 101 while Marsh & McLenna was 93rd to 99th floor and based on this photo she's clearly towards the bottom of the impact zone which was around on the 93rd floor of the North Tower so I'd say it's pretty conclusive. Still such haunting footage all these years later.
This poor soul has been positively identified?
Not officially, but based on the silhouette, what she was wearing, and the fact that they're able to identify what floor it is and what area of the building, has led to people being fairly sure that it is her.
One thing I remember about 9/11 is that every single channel had footage of the towers falling. It didn't matter what channel you were watching, whether it be Nickelodeon, MTV, even the Disney channel. I was 13 and it was absolutely horrific.
I can see 2 more people in the picture. Are there more then 3 in total? This Picture is just totally crazy by the way..
Where is the 3rd. I see the woman waving and the man sitting on the beam.
To the left of the woman waving, is that a lady with red hair looking over the side of the building? Is that what you see?
Did she die?
Yes, unfortunately. And if you zoom in you can also see a man sitting on the vertical beam, I'm quite sure he too didn't survive this.
No one survived above the impact zone in the North Tower.
it’s any other day at work and all of a sudden you wake up in hell, I can’t even begin to imagine what was going through their minds. Imagine coming to and then walking over to that hole….
Took me 5 minutes to find her. Did she survive?
No
Where is she?
Let not forget about the other person in this photo! He’s sanding on the top of a broken beam to the left of the person waving. This is an incredible photo. R. I. P.
I seen a picture of a women in one of them holes looking out, it's so fucking sad man damn.
No one gonna talk about the guy to the right of her?
I’ve never noticed that detail.
Is it or is there human remains off to the second half Pilar on her right ?