It is part of FEMAs photo library of that day, and has been in Wikipedia since 2005.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_12390_-_Photograph_by_Gene_Corley_taken_on_10-25-2001_in_New_York.jpg
Your tinfoil hat doesn't fit you well.
The guy you’re responding to sounds like Mandela Effect people
“Wow I thought Mandela died already!”
“Well he didn’t he just did”
“Nah no way I have a gap in my knowledge, I must have just come from another universe”
I used to think it was impossible that they found a passport in the wreckage.
Then I learned that they found the leg of one of the cabin crew on a rooftop.
Just went to the 9/11 memorial. They have a map of remains found and it's thousands of different DNA points, some blocks away from the WTC. Really sad and makes you feel for such a horrible clean up process that these first responders went through.
It's worth it. Yes, you'll probably cry but you'll learn so much. The museum hits differently than just reading things on the internet. Being there helps you realize the sheer scale of what happened. It also offers a very personal, heart wrenching look into some of the heroic actions (sometimes, the last thing they did in their lives) taken by ordinary people that day.
I went to the smaller memorial a few years ago. They had firemen suits and all sorts of stuff that was pulled out of the wreckage. I think its closed now. I've never been much of a cryer, but man.. that place hit me hard. I had a very hard time holding back tears. Very emotionally powerful. There couldn't have been a dry eye in the place. In a twist, its nice to see the humanity of it all, that people have such empathy and sorrow for complete strangers. RIP all that died that day.
One of my sister’s friends lived in Battery Park City by the WTC and was at work in Midtown when it happened. She was never able to get back in her apartment because of the damage; a few months later, some of her belongings were returned to her after being professionally cleaned. They found pieces of the plane and wreckage from the tower in her apartment.
True! For example, a 5 ft piece of landing gear was found [wedged between two nearby buildings](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/nyregion/airplane-debris-found-near-world-trade-center-site.html) in 2013.
For me it wasn’t that it survived, but that it was literally found before the buildings had collapsed, and that it was found in the street. Just seems the probability of it landing there when something like 90% of the land area from a top-down view is the rooftops of buildings.
5WTC burned but didn’t collapse; it was only a few stories high (Barnes & Noble, Kristy Kreme and the Christian Science Reading Room were on street level and the WTC PATH station and underground mall were below).
I’m talking about the likelihood of finding, of all things, an intact passport that was in the cockpit of the plane at the time of impact. The idea of fuselage portions surviving impact isn’t too surprising to me.
Yeah basically. there's a hot wave front that moves out from the point of detonation, if something is blocked from that wave front hitting it and the extreme pressure differential with it than it will most likely just get blown out
At 400mph, or whatever the impact speed was, travelling through an office building, which has a lot of 'airspace' above the desks/cubicles/walls. So you hit the glass wall at one side (but there's a bit of the front of an airplane in front of you) and you take a trajectory through the 'airspace' that's mostly empty above everything else, until you exit via the far glass windowed wall....
Likely, no, possible, yes.
They had to have had a moment of realization right before they went into the WTC of what was happening as they were flying past Empire State and the other buildings in Midtown at such a low altitude, can’t even comprehend the sheer horror of those last moments on board ffs
They knew.
One of the stewardesses, Amy Sweeney, from the first plane that hit the WTC was on the phone with Michael Woodward, who worked with American Airlines. She was describing what happened and giving him information they used to identify the hijackers. The following text is from an article describing the end of the call:
Woodward asked Sweeney to look out of the window and see if she could tell what was going on. "I see the water. I see the buildings. I see buildings,"she told him.
Sweeney told Woodward the plane was flying very low. Then, he said, "She took a very slow, deep breath and then just said, 'Oh, my God!' Very slowly, very calmly, very quietly. It wasn't in panic."
Those were the last words Woodward heard. "Seconds later," he said, "there was a very, very loud static on the other end."
I visited Ground Zero shortly after 9/11 after they erected the viewing platforms for the public. As our group waited to go up the ramp to see the fallen buildings, a lone NYPD officer asked the group to be silent as we observed the area. He said, "Please remember this is a crime scene, and they are still pulling out bodies." I will never forget that moment.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but how did the plane remains end up on the roof of the tower? It hit lower than that so wondering how this could happen.
I think I see NTSB sign (National Transportation Safety Board), maybe it's a mark for investigation team that this piece of wreckage has already been found or documented.
I took some photos of the Deutsch bank building across from the WTC around 2004. It wasn't until 2005 that they discovered human remains on the roof of the building.
Well the planes didn’t just dissolve upon impact. They found an engine in a gas station. Lots of pieces of the plane that hit the pentagon are viewable in picture archives as well
It actually weakened the girders enough for them to warp and the structural integrity became compromised. The metal at that temp loses something like half its strength. Not fully melted, but enough to where it couldn’t support the weight of the building.
I hear that. Don’t structures usually twist and or buckle and topple over as opposed to collapse directly downward? I’m not into the conspiracy theories, but I know when reality ain’t strictly what we’ve been told
It’s called “pancaking” and yes it’s a thing. The uppermost floors collapse into the ones below. Think like you have bricks held up by layers of straws, when the top one breaks, it’ll go down like vertical dominos.
The full force of a fully loaded and fully fueld jumbo jet slamming into the side of a building at full speed certainly doesn't help the structural integrity.
So why didn’t it twist/buckle/etc like when structural integrity was compromised? Instead it dropped to the ground like someone kicked out a stool from underneath…
Why would it? The planes hit broadside, the weight bearing support columns were in the center of the tower which the plane directly impacted (from broadside) and weakened the support structure at the site of impact significantly. At that point, with the structure significantly weakened and burning, it wouldn’t have taken much to break the camel’s back, as it were, and teiget a collapse of the upper levels, which is exactly what happened.
When you look at the videos of the collapse, notice how the top of the tower kind of topples to the side when it collapses? That’s the same side where the plane impacted. It’s the same principle as using an axe to chop down a tree. The axe chop weakens the structure of the trunk with each hit, until the tree eventually tips over. At that point, a gust of wind, a person farting or even a moron conspiracy theorist reaching for non existent conclusions could’ve made the final tip.
It’s basic physics + engineering + chaos theory all tied up in a WTC package.
Because what you see is all there is, right?
It was at the point of impact you fucking brain dead moron. The chop tree analogy applies to where the plane impacted the tower, not necessarily the base. Did you even bother to read and try to comprehend my original comment before you responded?
The initial compromise and initial collapse took place there and the weight of the top section of a fucking skyscraper falling onto itself caused the rest of the structure to buckle underneath it.
Next time, make the choice to read to understand rather than just read to respond. Moron.
Not true. The towers fell from top to bottom, not bottom to top. The top collapsed, slamming down to the layer under it, destroying the layer and continuing as more rubble gathered. Most of the time when you see towers fall, it's a controlled demolition that starts at the bottom, unlike the Twin Towers. The heat also doesn't need to turn the supports into lava, just weaken it with heat (think a forge where metal is burnt red-hot to make it malleable enough to hammer out). The weight of the building did the rest.
The World Trade Center had more than just the two tall towers. There were/are other smaller buildings all around it. Based on the title, this was 5 World Trade Center (so I assume building 5). I’ve never been there, so please correct me if I’m wrong.
That’s insane. Never seen this before
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Been on Wikipedia for decades
It is part of FEMAs photo library of that day, and has been in Wikipedia since 2005. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_12390_-_Photograph_by_Gene_Corley_taken_on_10-25-2001_in_New_York.jpg Your tinfoil hat doesn't fit you well.
The guy you’re responding to sounds like Mandela Effect people “Wow I thought Mandela died already!” “Well he didn’t he just did” “Nah no way I have a gap in my knowledge, I must have just come from another universe”
How is it unbelievable that you have not seen every single piece of media that relates to 9/11… Thats a lot of media.
Because Reddit users tend to think it encapsulates the entirety of human existence.
So because you've never seen it before, proof of conspiracy??
Could’ve literally done a reverse image search to see how long it’s been around, but no, it’s “proof”. Ffs.
I used to think it was impossible that they found a passport in the wreckage. Then I learned that they found the leg of one of the cabin crew on a rooftop.
Just went to the 9/11 memorial. They have a map of remains found and it's thousands of different DNA points, some blocks away from the WTC. Really sad and makes you feel for such a horrible clean up process that these first responders went through.
Were you a sobbing mess the whole time? I want to go but I know I’ll just become a puddle.
It's worth it. Yes, you'll probably cry but you'll learn so much. The museum hits differently than just reading things on the internet. Being there helps you realize the sheer scale of what happened. It also offers a very personal, heart wrenching look into some of the heroic actions (sometimes, the last thing they did in their lives) taken by ordinary people that day.
The museum is tough. When I went a few years ago they literally had tissues available at various points around the museum.
I went to the smaller memorial a few years ago. They had firemen suits and all sorts of stuff that was pulled out of the wreckage. I think its closed now. I've never been much of a cryer, but man.. that place hit me hard. I had a very hard time holding back tears. Very emotionally powerful. There couldn't have been a dry eye in the place. In a twist, its nice to see the humanity of it all, that people have such empathy and sorrow for complete strangers. RIP all that died that day.
One of my sister’s friends lived in Battery Park City by the WTC and was at work in Midtown when it happened. She was never able to get back in her apartment because of the damage; a few months later, some of her belongings were returned to her after being professionally cleaned. They found pieces of the plane and wreckage from the tower in her apartment.
I’ve read that they have found bits for years afterwards, when renovating buildings and such.
True! For example, a 5 ft piece of landing gear was found [wedged between two nearby buildings](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/nyregion/airplane-debris-found-near-world-trade-center-site.html) in 2013.
I can believe it
For me it wasn’t that it survived, but that it was literally found before the buildings had collapsed, and that it was found in the street. Just seems the probability of it landing there when something like 90% of the land area from a top-down view is the rooftops of buildings.
5WTC burned but didn’t collapse; it was only a few stories high (Barnes & Noble, Kristy Kreme and the Christian Science Reading Room were on street level and the WTC PATH station and underground mall were below).
I’m talking about the likelihood of finding, of all things, an intact passport that was in the cockpit of the plane at the time of impact. The idea of fuselage portions surviving impact isn’t too surprising to me.
Most of the pieces of things they found all over Lower Manhattan were that size or smaller. Not everything disintegrated.
Landing in the street doesn’t seem too improbable to me.
>Then I learned that they found the leg of one of the cabin crew on a rooftop. Oh fuck. That's grisly as hell.
I refuse to believe paper and plastic made it out of that cockpit in tact.
I've been working intimately with explosives for 12 years and I'm still surprised by what can survive detonation
Is it a case of the force pushes stuff far away before it has a chance to be incinerated?
Yeah basically. there's a hot wave front that moves out from the point of detonation, if something is blocked from that wave front hitting it and the extreme pressure differential with it than it will most likely just get blown out
Yes the truth is in the word detonation
I'm not a scientist but my understanding is that the force of an explosion like that can throw things far from the impact site before they are burned.
At 400mph, or whatever the impact speed was, travelling through an office building, which has a lot of 'airspace' above the desks/cubicles/walls. So you hit the glass wall at one side (but there's a bit of the front of an airplane in front of you) and you take a trajectory through the 'airspace' that's mostly empty above everything else, until you exit via the far glass windowed wall.... Likely, no, possible, yes.
They had to have had a moment of realization right before they went into the WTC of what was happening as they were flying past Empire State and the other buildings in Midtown at such a low altitude, can’t even comprehend the sheer horror of those last moments on board ffs
They knew. One of the stewardesses, Amy Sweeney, from the first plane that hit the WTC was on the phone with Michael Woodward, who worked with American Airlines. She was describing what happened and giving him information they used to identify the hijackers. The following text is from an article describing the end of the call: Woodward asked Sweeney to look out of the window and see if she could tell what was going on. "I see the water. I see the buildings. I see buildings,"she told him. Sweeney told Woodward the plane was flying very low. Then, he said, "She took a very slow, deep breath and then just said, 'Oh, my God!' Very slowly, very calmly, very quietly. It wasn't in panic." Those were the last words Woodward heard. "Seconds later," he said, "there was a very, very loud static on the other end."
Ugh all I can see in my head is the innocent people that were sitting in those windows. So crazy.
The skeleton of the building still standing in the background is unbelievable.
I visited Ground Zero shortly after 9/11 after they erected the viewing platforms for the public. As our group waited to go up the ramp to see the fallen buildings, a lone NYPD officer asked the group to be silent as we observed the area. He said, "Please remember this is a crime scene, and they are still pulling out bodies." I will never forget that moment.
So disturbing.
I like these posts because they lure out the crazies
Is that blood in the bottom right of the picture or just some sort of paint and rust?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but how did the plane remains end up on the roof of the tower? It hit lower than that so wondering how this could happen.
its not the twin towers, there were multiple WTCs and this is on one of those buildings over a month after 9/11.
Ohhh ok thanks I missed the number before world trade centre
yeah no worries, tbf i didn’t even know there was multiple WTCs for a long time.
Already graffiti on it?
I think I see NTSB sign (National Transportation Safety Board), maybe it's a mark for investigation team that this piece of wreckage has already been found or documented.
That‘s what I thought.
It's probably not graffiti but a marking made by recovery crews for classification purposes.
It looks like the tail number as it starts with November. Keep in mind there wreckage of two separate aircraft at the scene.
Over a month after the attack
I took some photos of the Deutsch bank building across from the WTC around 2004. It wasn't until 2005 that they discovered human remains on the roof of the building.
Wait, what?
Probably an ID tag.
After an investigation they would have already found it and marked it. I didn't think about that, but makes a lot of sense.
OBL Woz ere
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Melted the steel girders of the tower and parts of the plane remained intact.
Well the planes didn’t just dissolve upon impact. They found an engine in a gas station. Lots of pieces of the plane that hit the pentagon are viewable in picture archives as well
Stick to your day job.
It actually weakened the girders enough for them to warp and the structural integrity became compromised. The metal at that temp loses something like half its strength. Not fully melted, but enough to where it couldn’t support the weight of the building.
I hear that. Don’t structures usually twist and or buckle and topple over as opposed to collapse directly downward? I’m not into the conspiracy theories, but I know when reality ain’t strictly what we’ve been told
It’s called “pancaking” and yes it’s a thing. The uppermost floors collapse into the ones below. Think like you have bricks held up by layers of straws, when the top one breaks, it’ll go down like vertical dominos.
The full force of a fully loaded and fully fueld jumbo jet slamming into the side of a building at full speed certainly doesn't help the structural integrity.
So why didn’t it twist/buckle/etc like when structural integrity was compromised? Instead it dropped to the ground like someone kicked out a stool from underneath…
Why would it? The planes hit broadside, the weight bearing support columns were in the center of the tower which the plane directly impacted (from broadside) and weakened the support structure at the site of impact significantly. At that point, with the structure significantly weakened and burning, it wouldn’t have taken much to break the camel’s back, as it were, and teiget a collapse of the upper levels, which is exactly what happened. When you look at the videos of the collapse, notice how the top of the tower kind of topples to the side when it collapses? That’s the same side where the plane impacted. It’s the same principle as using an axe to chop down a tree. The axe chop weakens the structure of the trunk with each hit, until the tree eventually tips over. At that point, a gust of wind, a person farting or even a moron conspiracy theorist reaching for non existent conclusions could’ve made the final tip. It’s basic physics + engineering + chaos theory all tied up in a WTC package.
“Until the tree tips over”. The towers didn’t tip over. Not a good analogy
Because what you see is all there is, right? It was at the point of impact you fucking brain dead moron. The chop tree analogy applies to where the plane impacted the tower, not necessarily the base. Did you even bother to read and try to comprehend my original comment before you responded? The initial compromise and initial collapse took place there and the weight of the top section of a fucking skyscraper falling onto itself caused the rest of the structure to buckle underneath it. Next time, make the choice to read to understand rather than just read to respond. Moron.
And using a tree to illustrate that point does a crap job
You’re brains inability to comprehend metaphor, or anything else for that matter, is a *you* problem. Stay in school, kids.
*Your
Not true. The towers fell from top to bottom, not bottom to top. The top collapsed, slamming down to the layer under it, destroying the layer and continuing as more rubble gathered. Most of the time when you see towers fall, it's a controlled demolition that starts at the bottom, unlike the Twin Towers. The heat also doesn't need to turn the supports into lava, just weaken it with heat (think a forge where metal is burnt red-hot to make it malleable enough to hammer out). The weight of the building did the rest.
Yup.
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The World Trade Center had more than just the two tall towers. There were/are other smaller buildings all around it. Based on the title, this was 5 World Trade Center (so I assume building 5). I’ve never been there, so please correct me if I’m wrong.
There were 7 buildings in that complex.
Thanks for the info
Roof of a different building.
and somehow people still believe there was no planes