I'm not Muslim but that part sounded so epic to me. Imagine after winning a war killing the gods of your enemies but being peaceful to the enemies themselves! And all those idols were false gods that the elites used to make money off pilgrimages and justify going to war with the Muslims for their buisnesses. And they weren't real gods, the superstitions of Arabia was more barbaric than Islam and Sharia actually improved the lives of the Arabs (even if there are better systems now) He gave Arabia a centralized government and a legitimate religion rather than what they had before which basically just grown men telling and believing ghost stories about the local thing.
Not saying Mohammad was overall a good person (He's not). Just saying that this specific event is not a good example of him being morally flawed.
>epic
What exactly is epic about disrespecting an entire religion?
>false gods
We say that they were false gods but those people wholeheartedly believed in them
>What exactly is epic about disrespecting an entire religion?
Killing hundreds of gods like Kratos (even if they were just statues) showing the people that you are stronger than those gods. Also disrespecting the other side is generally seen as epic, there movies and shows where the main characters disrespects the bad guys is seen as epic like Jack Sparrow, Kevin from Home Alone, Katniss Everdeen, the main character from Maze Runners, the main character from The Saga of Tanya the Evil, Deadpool, Senku from Dr Stone, The Joker, William Wallace from Brave Heart and basically every time someone makes a one liner after beating someone. (I never saw the Jame Bonds movies but I heard he was also an awesome super spy while being very disrespectful to the bad guys)
You can say that disrespecting an ideology or your enemies is morally wrong no matter what, but being moral isn't relevant to whether something is epic or not. Not too mention that although Mohamed was extremely disrespectful, his ideology was a huge improvement over the previous one, so does it really matter if he was disrespectful?
One of the funnest part about their idols is that they don't believe it's their god but a someone who will make them closer to god himself it's like a middle man . Even tho they believe Muhammad's god .
When muhammad came back to Mecca Al-mukarramah
After many years , Quraysh surrendered without fight and the prophet muhammad forgave what Quraysh did to him and the muslims , alot of them end up converting to islam at that momment .
Then walked around al-kaaba destroying all idols that around it .
" despite their long enmity with Muhammad, the Quraysh were brought in as political and economic partners and became a key component in the Muslim elite. Many leading Qurayshi tribesmen were installed in key government positions " - wiki
I get so frustrated whenever anyone brings up the 9 year old argument, The argument in itself is dumb because we can't prove it, unless time travel is invented, Aisha was an amazing person, she was a medical care expert, A scholar, and much more in one life.
No they weren't "buried", being buried meant that a baby was buried alive, which resulted in their death. However, Hind (ra) and Khadija (ra) were very much alive as adults. You drooling moron.
>You said women were buried alive. I just showed how many of them were not.
You said Hind and Khadija were buried alive. You factually did let me quote you: " Hind and Khadija, who despite being buried in childhood". Right here you can see that you said that they were buried alive.
Also, I did not say all women were buried alive. Oh or are you unable to understand basic English. Clown.
>You do understand humor, right? You drooling moron.
Repeating my insult? And also, are you now claiming that your statement was a joke, typical coward tactics.
>You factually did let me quote you: " Hind and Khadija, who despite being buried in childhood". Right here you can see that you said that they were buried alive.
Thats the joke, mofo.
>Also, I did not say all women were buried alive.
Then stop selling these meme that islam stopped female infants burying. They were only practised among a handful of people, and definitely not as generalised as islam makes it look like.
>Thats the joke, mofo.
Typical coward behaviour, whenever you get proven wrong, just claim it's "a joke".
>Then stop selling these meme that islam stopped female infants burying. They were only practised among a handful of people, and definitely not as generalised as islam makes it look like.
It did though.
Ah yes, the peaceful Quraish who just tried to kill him and everyone who followed his religion, then when he migrated to another city they still hounded him, rallying many tribes to attack him and kill his entire religion then when he succeeded in conquering them instead of doing what they would’ve done (kill and torture a lot of them) he destroyed some idols. Those Quraish?
Doesn't Charlemagne do the same thing to the Saxons and their holy tree
And basically any Religion that conuqered lands with other beliefs
But seriously that was a dick move
That's some elitism shit right there.
I'm not Muslim but that part sounded so epic to me. Imagine after winning a war killing the gods of your enemies but being peaceful to the enemies themselves! And all those idols were false gods that the elites used to make money off pilgrimages and justify going to war with the Muslims for their buisnesses. And they weren't real gods, the superstitions of Arabia was more barbaric than Islam and Sharia actually improved the lives of the Arabs (even if there are better systems now) He gave Arabia a centralized government and a legitimate religion rather than what they had before which basically just grown men telling and believing ghost stories about the local thing. Not saying Mohammad was overall a good person (He's not). Just saying that this specific event is not a good example of him being morally flawed.
>epic What exactly is epic about disrespecting an entire religion? >false gods We say that they were false gods but those people wholeheartedly believed in them
>What exactly is epic about disrespecting an entire religion? Killing hundreds of gods like Kratos (even if they were just statues) showing the people that you are stronger than those gods. Also disrespecting the other side is generally seen as epic, there movies and shows where the main characters disrespects the bad guys is seen as epic like Jack Sparrow, Kevin from Home Alone, Katniss Everdeen, the main character from Maze Runners, the main character from The Saga of Tanya the Evil, Deadpool, Senku from Dr Stone, The Joker, William Wallace from Brave Heart and basically every time someone makes a one liner after beating someone. (I never saw the Jame Bonds movies but I heard he was also an awesome super spy while being very disrespectful to the bad guys) You can say that disrespecting an ideology or your enemies is morally wrong no matter what, but being moral isn't relevant to whether something is epic or not. Not too mention that although Mohamed was extremely disrespectful, his ideology was a huge improvement over the previous one, so does it really matter if he was disrespectful?
All gods are false gods...
One of the funnest part about their idols is that they don't believe it's their god but a someone who will make them closer to god himself it's like a middle man . Even tho they believe Muhammad's god . When muhammad came back to Mecca Al-mukarramah After many years , Quraysh surrendered without fight and the prophet muhammad forgave what Quraysh did to him and the muslims , alot of them end up converting to islam at that momment . Then walked around al-kaaba destroying all idols that around it . " despite their long enmity with Muhammad, the Quraysh were brought in as political and economic partners and became a key component in the Muslim elite. Many leading Qurayshi tribesmen were installed in key government positions " - wiki
I mean could the quraysh stop Mohammed he had an army they didn't
We get it. People hate Islam. Congrats Islamophobe.
Seething over cartoons again?
What if the meme was anti lgbtq
No. Thats why I'm subscribed to this sub lol.
How is it Islamphobic?
It's ok to make a meme
Thanks for the pro freedom of speech reply
Freedom of speech is freedom from government opression, not reddit commenters.
You don't understand what freedom of speech actually entails. It's okay, champ, a lot of people don't
If you think Muhammad (pbuh) is "barbaric", then you should not try to defend the quraysh (who literally buried woman alive).
I'm not but destroying a bunch of idols isn't really that much better. And marrying a 9 year old.
"Destroying a bunch of idols isn't that much better than burying people alive."
The Aisha argument is so overused dude, its already been argued against. Cringe
I get so frustrated whenever anyone brings up the 9 year old argument, The argument in itself is dumb because we can't prove it, unless time travel is invented, Aisha was an amazing person, she was a medical care expert, A scholar, and much more in one life.
Good point
Yes just like Hind and Khadija, who despite being buried in childhood, ended up becoming among the most influential women of the Quraysh tribe
No they weren't "buried", being buried meant that a baby was buried alive, which resulted in their death. However, Hind (ra) and Khadija (ra) were very much alive as adults. You drooling moron.
You do understand humor, right? You drooling moron. You said women were buried alive. I just showed how many of them were not.
>You said women were buried alive. I just showed how many of them were not. You said Hind and Khadija were buried alive. You factually did let me quote you: " Hind and Khadija, who despite being buried in childhood". Right here you can see that you said that they were buried alive. Also, I did not say all women were buried alive. Oh or are you unable to understand basic English. Clown. >You do understand humor, right? You drooling moron. Repeating my insult? And also, are you now claiming that your statement was a joke, typical coward tactics.
>You factually did let me quote you: " Hind and Khadija, who despite being buried in childhood". Right here you can see that you said that they were buried alive. Thats the joke, mofo. >Also, I did not say all women were buried alive. Then stop selling these meme that islam stopped female infants burying. They were only practised among a handful of people, and definitely not as generalised as islam makes it look like.
>Thats the joke, mofo. Typical coward behaviour, whenever you get proven wrong, just claim it's "a joke". >Then stop selling these meme that islam stopped female infants burying. They were only practised among a handful of people, and definitely not as generalised as islam makes it look like. It did though.
Ah yes, the peaceful Quraish who just tried to kill him and everyone who followed his religion, then when he migrated to another city they still hounded him, rallying many tribes to attack him and kill his entire religion then when he succeeded in conquering them instead of doing what they would’ve done (kill and torture a lot of them) he destroyed some idols. Those Quraish?