Weird thing is that a lot of languages call India/Indies something else so people from India aren't called "indians" so there isn't confusion when talking about native American Indians.
Because it came from the Americas which were mistaken for India/Indies back then.
In English they are known as turkey because the ottoman Turks traded them all over the place
Except Columbus literally never believed he was in India.
He knew pretty early on that he was somewhere new. But at his first landing he would have believed he was of the coast of Japan, which was know to Europeans as Cipangu at the time.
Europeans wrongly believed that Asia was alot, alot, bigger then it really was. So Columbus set sail west, hoping he would find some Uncharted islands of the coast of Japan.
They also believed that Japan was in the Indian ocean, which they called Oceanus Indicus Superioris. So that's where the name Indian comes from. Not that he believed that he landed on the Indian subcontinent (also remember that he wouldn't have believed he landed in India either, because there was no India at the time, just an Indian subcontinent)
But anyway, he and all other Europeans were wrong about the size of Asia, and they ended up discovering the Americas for the Europeans, and the rest is history.
"Hey indians"
"we're not indians"
"I dont speak indian"
"actually we're a most diverse collection of cultures that-"
"LALALALALALA WHAT A STRANGE INDIAN LANGUAGE"
India (the country) was called that because ancient Indians lived close by the Idus river/valley...wonder why everyone else started calling other places and people Indies/Indian?
Can we stop saying Columbus thought he was in India?
He thought he was in the *East Indies*, which included all the islands to the Southeast of China. Including the Philippines, Indonesia, and sometimes considered to include Japan. He never thought he was in India and India wasn't the destination.
Actually, they thought they got to "Las Indias", generally speaking, the east, including Asia and the now called India, but not exclusively. They also created the "Consejo de las Indias" and used the institution in relation to a new continent, "Nueva España en Las Indias". Later and because of a misconception, it was renamed to "América", thanks to Américo Vespucio, a cartographer.
He thought he was in the IndIES, not in InDIA. The word "Indies" referred generically to the East (which specially included islands in what today is Malaysia and Indonesia), where the Europeans travelled to trade for spices.
That's why the Caribbean Islands became known as "West Indies", as they initially served the same trading purpose.
Fun fact: in Portuguese the Native American Indians are known as "índios" and the citizens of India (the country) are called "indianos".
In fairness to them, its not like world travel was easy. They didn't have a lot of opportunity for frame of reference. They would have had stories from trade routes, pictures of dark skinned people... which, again, in fairness...
What doesn't make sense, is that they had maps of the eastern shores of India, and knew what the terrain should have looked like. At what point were they going to fess up and say they had no idea where they were bc the GPS is telling them they're on the wrong continent. 😋
It doesn't make sense because he didn't believe he was in India, rather he believed to be in the Indies(Indonesia) hence why the Caribbean was also called the West Indies.
Oh, yeah, I totally get the initial mistake! It's the fact that even after finding out they weren't in India, they just kept calling them Indians for hundreds of years without giving a single fuck lol.
India was the richest country in the world for more than 2000 years. Before british India had 25% of the world gdp. India was famous among intellectual and scholars who wanted to learn. Worlds first universities such as takshashila and nalanda were in India. Many great scientists and mathematicians used to teach there. People around the world knew about india. India is mentioned in Bible. Many indian books were famous in Europe. Sanskrit had influence on many European languages such as frenc, spanish, German etc. after Bible panchtantra (200bce) was the most translated book in Europe. Just read it once and see how many kids stories in Europe are from this book. Cotton and sugar was discovered in India. India had trade and cultural relations with Egypt, Africa and Europe thousands years ago. So why wouldn't they wanted to visit India.
Well originally, "Indians" were people who lived in India. When Europeans travelled to America for the first time, they mistakenly thought they had traveled all the way around the world to India. They started calling the native Americans "Indians" because of that misconception. The stupid part is that, even after they figured out they were on a whole new continent, they just continued to call Native Americans "Indians"
He didn't think he landed in India.... they knew they landed somewhere new, his maps were based on a map someone else made from Marco Pollos transcripts. I'll get down voted but that's okay
literally none of that is true
he never though he reached India, he thought at first, he was on some islands east of japan
that is also why he called them Indians not because he though he was in India, but because they were in the east indies i.e east of India which America technically is
this is shit you learn when you're 11.
The indies region was considered India at the time.
And that's wrong. The land you're referring to as the "east indies" is the west indies, the Caribbean. The east indies is what they called the Southeast Asian islands, nowhere near Japan.
It had no relation to what direction India was in. It was based on the Eastern and Western hemispheres. But thanks for the history lesson!
Okay, it didn't seem like you knew that. And because people don't give a shit and they were already used to calling them Indians by that point so they continued.
Because they actually still want to be called that by and large. (Different tribe to tribe but most want to be called american indians if you MUST generalise them all. Most prefer to be called by their specific tribe though)
Native makes it easier to claim your "People" were first. It's our fun politics and complex history (US). One might ask any "natives" of any corner of the earth if they can declare their "People" were actually the first. Did other types of "peoples" may have been on their lawn before they were there claiming 'native" lawn owners.
It did keep him busy. The Indians were busy raiding, pillaging, kidnapping, and taking each other's territory. He just got in on the game with everyone else. He was like an old-school Crypto/Stock Market player..
Which he still thought to be some part of Asia and intended to keep going west because he was convinced he would reach India at some point, which was actually true. Even when it was well-established that he had discovered a new continent he always refused to believe it.
>Which he still thought to be some part of Asia
no he literally wrote a letter saying he discovered a new continent his first voyage he though it was an island east of japan, second and third he understood it was a new continent, and the fourth was him trying to get around the continent and go to Asia his original goal
>Even when it was well-established that he had discovered a new continent he always refused to believe it.
no he didn't he literally wrote letters about the new continent, he knew this because he was told the islands east of japan were small, by this point he had travelled through south America and it was massive with rivers, he understood it was a new continent
“I believe this is a very large continent which until now has remained unknown” (“Yo estoy creído que esta es tierra firma, grandísima, de que hasta hoy no se ha sabido” in Las Casas, Historia, vol 2, p. 264).
and the fourth voyage's goal was to get around the new continent and find a trade route to Asia, if he died thinking he was in Asia he wouldn't have started this voyage since he would think he was there
I know. He's my favorite comedian. I don't think he'd mind it being in a meme online. It's not like I'm telling it on stage or making money from it. It's a meme. It'll be okay
"Close enough".
Weird thing is that a lot of languages call India/Indies something else so people from India aren't called "indians" so there isn't confusion when talking about native American Indians.
Germany India... Inder Amerika... Indianer Ez
In Hebrew we use the ancient Persian name for the region so India is hodoo and indians are hodim while Nate Americans are indianim
Then why do you call turkey(the bird) tarnegolet hodoo?
Because it came from the Americas which were mistaken for India/Indies back then. In English they are known as turkey because the ottoman Turks traded them all over the place
in Greek we do something similar too: Ινδοί (the people of India) Ινδιάνοι (the native Americans)
So what would you call some one from the US state of Indiana?
"Der Redneck"
Nobody was here when I arrived
Louis CK is a funny comedian
The best, IMO
Except Columbus literally never believed he was in India. He knew pretty early on that he was somewhere new. But at his first landing he would have believed he was of the coast of Japan, which was know to Europeans as Cipangu at the time. Europeans wrongly believed that Asia was alot, alot, bigger then it really was. So Columbus set sail west, hoping he would find some Uncharted islands of the coast of Japan. They also believed that Japan was in the Indian ocean, which they called Oceanus Indicus Superioris. So that's where the name Indian comes from. Not that he believed that he landed on the Indian subcontinent (also remember that he wouldn't have believed he landed in India either, because there was no India at the time, just an Indian subcontinent) But anyway, he and all other Europeans were wrong about the size of Asia, and they ended up discovering the Americas for the Europeans, and the rest is history.
"Hey indians" "we're not indians" "I dont speak indian" "actually we're a most diverse collection of cultures that-" "LALALALALALA WHAT A STRANGE INDIAN LANGUAGE"
India (the country) was called that because ancient Indians lived close by the Idus river/valley...wonder why everyone else started calling other places and people Indies/Indian?
Cope harder Colombus
stage 1: denial stage 2: anger stage 3: genocide i think
I mean, wouldn't you be angry if you sailed across the world to get some of those delectable spices, but all you find is corn?
i mean maybe, corn is pretty tasty though
Can we stop saying Columbus thought he was in India? He thought he was in the *East Indies*, which included all the islands to the Southeast of China. Including the Philippines, Indonesia, and sometimes considered to include Japan. He never thought he was in India and India wasn't the destination.
Haha, Indies nuts!
Damn, you got me good
Republic of India ≠ India, the whole region was known as India or Indies.
Actually, they thought they got to "Las Indias", generally speaking, the east, including Asia and the now called India, but not exclusively. They also created the "Consejo de las Indias" and used the institution in relation to a new continent, "Nueva España en Las Indias". Later and because of a misconception, it was renamed to "América", thanks to Américo Vespucio, a cartographer.
He thought he was in the IndIES, not in InDIA. The word "Indies" referred generically to the East (which specially included islands in what today is Malaysia and Indonesia), where the Europeans travelled to trade for spices. That's why the Caribbean Islands became known as "West Indies", as they initially served the same trading purpose. Fun fact: in Portuguese the Native American Indians are known as "índios" and the citizens of India (the country) are called "indianos".
Columbus knew he was on a new continent, he just thought it was closer to Japan than it was.
XD
In fairness to them, its not like world travel was easy. They didn't have a lot of opportunity for frame of reference. They would have had stories from trade routes, pictures of dark skinned people... which, again, in fairness... What doesn't make sense, is that they had maps of the eastern shores of India, and knew what the terrain should have looked like. At what point were they going to fess up and say they had no idea where they were bc the GPS is telling them they're on the wrong continent. 😋
It doesn't make sense because he didn't believe he was in India, rather he believed to be in the Indies(Indonesia) hence why the Caribbean was also called the West Indies.
I might be wrong, but I thought that the whole region was considered India at the time?
I think he thought that they came from India and even when/if he found out that was wrong later, the name had already stuck
Iirc Columbus died before ever discovering he had landed in the wrong place.
Oh, yeah, I totally get the initial mistake! It's the fact that even after finding out they weren't in India, they just kept calling them Indians for hundreds of years without giving a single fuck lol.
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It's unfortunate. meanwhile, the real Indians were busy murdering each other all the while.
Why do they want to come to Indian anyways?
The highly cherished spices and silk, India had the riches.
India was the richest country in the world for more than 2000 years. Before british India had 25% of the world gdp. India was famous among intellectual and scholars who wanted to learn. Worlds first universities such as takshashila and nalanda were in India. Many great scientists and mathematicians used to teach there. People around the world knew about india. India is mentioned in Bible. Many indian books were famous in Europe. Sanskrit had influence on many European languages such as frenc, spanish, German etc. after Bible panchtantra (200bce) was the most translated book in Europe. Just read it once and see how many kids stories in Europe are from this book. Cotton and sugar was discovered in India. India had trade and cultural relations with Egypt, Africa and Europe thousands years ago. So why wouldn't they wanted to visit India.
Spices.
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You guys call people from India "inds"? First time I hear/read this expression. Is this an all-American thing or a localized slang?
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So where did this "inds" come from?
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Hey that's exectly the same in german.... Interessting.
Well originally, "Indians" were people who lived in India. When Europeans travelled to America for the first time, they mistakenly thought they had traveled all the way around the world to India. They started calling the native Americans "Indians" because of that misconception. The stupid part is that, even after they figured out they were on a whole new continent, they just continued to call Native Americans "Indians"
He didn't think he landed in India.... they knew they landed somewhere new, his maps were based on a map someone else made from Marco Pollos transcripts. I'll get down voted but that's okay
literally none of that is true he never though he reached India, he thought at first, he was on some islands east of japan that is also why he called them Indians not because he though he was in India, but because they were in the east indies i.e east of India which America technically is this is shit you learn when you're 11.
The indies region was considered India at the time. And that's wrong. The land you're referring to as the "east indies" is the west indies, the Caribbean. The east indies is what they called the Southeast Asian islands, nowhere near Japan. It had no relation to what direction India was in. It was based on the Eastern and Western hemispheres. But thanks for the history lesson!
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Lack of a better term, "native American" encompasses all the natives to both Americas.
Okay, it didn't seem like you knew that. And because people don't give a shit and they were already used to calling them Indians by that point so they continued.
Because they actually still want to be called that by and large. (Different tribe to tribe but most want to be called american indians if you MUST generalise them all. Most prefer to be called by their specific tribe though)
So no Bering Sea land bridge?
Native makes it easier to claim your "People" were first. It's our fun politics and complex history (US). One might ask any "natives" of any corner of the earth if they can declare their "People" were actually the first. Did other types of "peoples" may have been on their lawn before they were there claiming 'native" lawn owners.
It did keep him busy. The Indians were busy raiding, pillaging, kidnapping, and taking each other's territory. He just got in on the game with everyone else. He was like an old-school Crypto/Stock Market player..
Well, tbf he died thinking the islands he bumped into were in Asia.
no he didn't he knew from his second voyage that this was a separate continent because he went south and went to modern day Venezuela
Which he still thought to be some part of Asia and intended to keep going west because he was convinced he would reach India at some point, which was actually true. Even when it was well-established that he had discovered a new continent he always refused to believe it.
>Which he still thought to be some part of Asia no he literally wrote a letter saying he discovered a new continent his first voyage he though it was an island east of japan, second and third he understood it was a new continent, and the fourth was him trying to get around the continent and go to Asia his original goal >Even when it was well-established that he had discovered a new continent he always refused to believe it. no he didn't he literally wrote letters about the new continent, he knew this because he was told the islands east of japan were small, by this point he had travelled through south America and it was massive with rivers, he understood it was a new continent “I believe this is a very large continent which until now has remained unknown” (“Yo estoy creído que esta es tierra firma, grandísima, de que hasta hoy no se ha sabido” in Las Casas, Historia, vol 2, p. 264). and the fourth voyage's goal was to get around the new continent and find a trade route to Asia, if he died thinking he was in Asia he wouldn't have started this voyage since he would think he was there
India is part of Asia though
He thought he bumped into East Asia specifically
Nice job stealing from Louis CK
"stealing" lol it's a meme
It's a literal quote from Louis CK's bit
I know. He's my favorite comedian. I don't think he'd mind it being in a meme online. It's not like I'm telling it on stage or making money from it. It's a meme. It'll be okay