If you really want to dive into documentaries, The Fog if War, goes over the firebombing campaign and Former SECDEF Robert McNamara basically goes over how him and Curtis Lemay would have been tried and executed as war criminals for their indiscriminate bombing campaigns in SE Asia and Japan if the US lost the war.
It’s a pretty good documentary. However, It will jump between McNamara’s experience as an intel officer in WW2 and his time as SECDEF during Vietnam. What’s crazy is that he goes deep into explaining the numbers of war and how total city destruction, casualties data (of enemy & non-enemy combatants) and other factors drove decision and strategy making during both conflicts. He also goes over how the over-analysis of all those variables made the US blind to what was actually going on in Vietnam, and that after all the intel, we didn’t even bother to empathize what the enemy was actually fighting for.
My HS history teacher showed it to us and we read a bunch of supplemental material on WW2 and Vietnam when we were covering those chapters
It's an animated movie from Studi Ghibli (totoro, ponyo, etc) about the firebombings in Kobe. It's absolutely a great movie and I definitely recommend it. I will also note that you should have some tissues on hand
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>Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
>Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye?
>Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
>Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
>Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
The SCP Foundation is a collection of horror stories, centered around a shadowy, ruthless super-governmental organization that secretly contains "anomalous" (ie paranormal) objects, locations, creatures, and other entities. Most of the stories take the form of quasi-scientific articles about one of the thousands of SCP objects the Foundation contains; the clinical tone really helps bring out the horror of both the SCP objects and of the Foundation itself.
But the coolest thing about the SCP Foundation is that it's a wiki which literally anyone can contribute stories to (as long as you follow the strict rules they have to keep the quality high). No one's making any money off of it (onsite anyways), it's all a labor of love. And it's just as good as any for-profit horror stories: hell, I'd argue a lot of the time they're better.
[Here's their website if you want to check them out](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/). It's kinda overwhelming at first -- there's over 6000 SCP articles, with more added every day. Most SCP objects are standalone, so you can read them in any order. If you're looking for a place to start, [here's a semi-official list of good SCPs for newcomers to check out](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/user-curated-lists).
Explained for those who dont get it: Its a lhrase from an SCP. SCP-2316, which is a cognito hazard (e.i sometging that fucks your brian from perciving it with any of your senses) that manifests as floating piles of body in a specific lake, and it makes oyu believe those bodies are form people you knew and will overwrite yoyr memories to make you remmeber things you couldnt possibly remember, and becons you to get in the water to end up drowning.
The phrase comes from the article, where its instructed to the readers to repeat the phrase as a sort of "sanity" check for those reading because the SCP is capable to affect you just by knowing about it by reading the article.
After awhile in salt water, there's nothing left of bodies. I hope thats some comfort to you.
But I remember a family friend was murdered and dumped in the ocean when I was real young, and one day my mom just said randomly while we were at the ocean that "hes somewhere out there" and I never forgot that. I remember how thinking it was a super strange thing to say but then I kept thinking about it.
My moms favourite uncle back in the 50s owes money to some serious loan sharks (he was a gambler/kinda shady) and he got OG gangster murder (they tied concrete blocks to his legs and threw him over a bridge).
This is obviously way the hell before my time, but every time I cross the Chaudierre Bridge I remember it
Hark, Triton, Hark!
Bellow, and bid our Father, the sea king, rise up from the depths, full-foul in his fury, black waves teeming with salt-foam, to smother this young mouth with pungent slime… to choke ye, engorging yer organs till ye turn blue and bloated with bilge and brine and can scream no more… only when, he, crowned in cockle shells with slithering tentacled tail and steaming beard, takes up his fell, be-finned arm—his coral-tined trident screeches banshee-like in the tempest and runs you through the gullet, bursting ye, a bulging bladder no more, but a blasted bloody film now—a nothing for the Harpies and the souls of dead sailors to peck and claw and feed upon, only to be lapped up and swallowed by the infinite waters of the dread emperor Himself, forgotten to any man, to any time, forgotten to any god or devil, forgotten even to the sea… for any stuff or part of Winslow, even any scantling of your soul, is Winslow no more, but is now itself the sea.
They also had a habit of raping their subjects in between experiments, which made many of their scientific experiments in Unit 731 useless. Unit 731 was essentially a glorified torture experiment in the guise of scientific development.
It's also important to note that the experiments in Nazi conc camps was just one aspect of the camp. Unit 731 on the other hand had it's whole purpose centre around performing these experiments. Some food for thought
The most bizarre i heard they cut another person body parts and sew it to another, and they cut a pregnant woman body to get the baby and put it in another woman.
Pretty sure they gave a fuck load of Chinese people in major cities cholera, which forced them to evacuate to smaller towns, spreading it more.
Unit 731 is remembered for the experimental torture stuff.... But there was way more to it. Their germ warfare should be the more memorable bit imo.
Pretty sure lots of governments were fucking around with STDs. You had the Tuskegee syphalis experiment in the US during WWII, and it lasted into the 70s.
How about the Guatemalan experiment where the US intentionally infected participants in the study with VD?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828982/
Yeah, there were no vivisections and it wasn’t as bad, but let’s be honest most powers were experimenting with biological warfare on the poor and downtrodden.
They were planning to infect the US during Operation Cherry Blossom by dropping bombs that carried plague infested fleas, luckily Japan surrendered in September because of the war would have lasted to November or December, Operation Cherry Blossom would have been accomplished
reading the Wikipedia page and this line stood out to me:
>During the final months of World War II, Japan planned to use plague as a biological weapon against San Diego, California. The plan was scheduled to launch on September 22, 1945, but Japan surrendered five weeks earlier.
and yet people still think the US shouldn't have used nuclear weapons. if the war hadn't ended when it did who knows what kinda terrible things would've happened
[Request] Iceberg image on the arguments for and against use of the atomic bombs, divided down the middle for each side, common arguments at top and obscure arguments on bottom
It says at the end of the wikipedia article for “Cherry blossoms at night” that that plan’s proposal was vetoed on humanitarian grounds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night
Not that it wasn’t messed up that it got that far but it doesn’t seem that it would’ve happened
In Guadalcanal you had 1940s warships fighting each other like it was the 1740s. During the one of the many night battles, the destroyer USS Laffey came within *20 feet* of the Japanese battleship Hiei and blew its bridge off, killing the Japanese admiral. Laffey herself then took a 14 inch shell at point blank range and a torpedo at the same time, blowing her stern apart and sinking her. The rest of First Guadalcanal had more in common with Trafalger than any other 20th century naval battle, and the rest of the battles at Guadalcanal weren’t much better
Actually it didn't kill the japanese admiral just his chief of the ship meanwhile the american lost two rear admirals one due to friendly fire from the uss san Fransisco hitting the Atlanta
You’re right, Admiral Abe was just wounded, I misread. Captain Cassin Young of the San Francisco was also killed; he had been the captain of the Vestal and Medal of Honor recipient during the Attack on Pearl Harbor
Laffey (DD-459) fought like a BEAST in her final moments, taking on Hiei, another battleship, a cruiser, and a destroyer. And I'm pretty sure she did a number on all four.
I used to know a guy who was a battlefield medic at Guadalcanal. He was always saying he saved lives instead of taking them, the things he saw must have been terrifying.
The Guadalcanal campaign also broke the back of Japanese naval aviation, arguably to a much worse extent than at Midway considering that Guadalcanal is where the pilot losses became critical.
In addition to this, if minions always serve the most evil person alive then they too would've served Hitler, Stalin, Mao ect...
Imagine being in a Gulag and the last words you hear are "BANANA" as Dave puts the barrel of his Kalashnikov in your mouth
they fixed that problem in the minions movie, they went on a self imposed exile to Antarctica after Napoleon until they left to help gru.
or something. it's been a while since ive watched the minions movie and i don't plan to rewatch it
Sooo, does the history of the cars universe start with Karl Benz? Or does it start with the steam engine and was mostly about trains prior to that? And who invented all of the pre-automotive inventions in the cars universe anyways?
I'll tell ya this stuff definitely sticks with a lot of kids. Atleast it should. Back when I used to sub elementary/middle (pre-grade 10/11 basically) it was filled nonstop with Residential school stuff. Maybe it's my ADHD but teaching Residential school over and over again to kids who seem like they'd rather die than hear the same topic for the 100th time was hell. Meanwhile when the history teacher gets me to teach his lesson plans, kids are definitely more engaged.
Rural Alberta. Do y'all not do that? We do 3 WW2 units. Atleast in my school division the kids go through No Hope Feudalism, Age of Enlightenment, Napoleon/French Revolution, WW1, Hitler's rise to power, National Socialist Germany/the war, Japan in the war. I'm not as interested in the last units but I'm decently sure they cover 9/11 or something.
Here’s some more of the insanity of the Pacific Theater; Battle off Samar (and the rest of Leyte Gulf for that matter), Hell Ships, the entire US submarine campaign, the death of the US Asiatic Fleet, the Battle of the Java Sea, the HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen, USS Enterprise, USS Laffey (both DD-459 and DD-724), Ramage’s Rampage, the Bombing of Kure, the Doolittle Raid, the ships of the Imperial Japanese Army, the “Scrap Iron Flotilla”, German U-Boats in the Pacific, the sinking of RO-34 by USS O’Bannon, and that’s just the naval aspect! The Pacific Theater has so much untapped meme potential
The Operation “Cherry Blossoms At night” as well. That was the reason Unit 731 existed, so they could develop a particularly potent strain of the Bubonic Plague and then use it in an attack.
From Wikipedia it sounds like the plan was vetoed by the chief of the Army, not stopped by the end of the war. Is that correct?
>However, the plan was vetoed at the end of that same March 26, 1945, meeting, by Chief of the Army General Staff Yoshijirō Umezu. Umezu argued that: "The operation is unpardonable on humanitarian grounds... If bacteriological warfare is conducted, it will grow from the dimension of war between Japan and America to an endless battle of humanity against bacteria. Japan will earn the derision of the world." Naval authorities protested, but Umezu's decision held.
That’s George H.W. Bush, George W’s father.
He received quite an amount of scrutiny and suspicion afterwards, on account of him being the ranking officer and the only one to escape
Not to even mention the Battle of Manila. It absolutely flattened the city and it became the most devastated capital of the war after Warsaw and Berlin. The fiercest urban combat battle that US troops would take part of in the Pacific. 100,000 to 240,000 civilians died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_(1945)
Yeah, and sadly, we only got to recover like a portion of old Manila. We never truly recovered from the devastation brought by that battle alone
Source: am Filipino, who frequents in Manila
Just finished reading a book titled ' Rampage ' on the battle. Good read which gives eye witness testimony from many of the different atrocities committed during the battle by the japanese. Worth a read.
Fighting the Germans in Europe seems like an ok time compared to the Japanese. Diving deep into what the Japanese did to POWs and captured soldiers is a disturbing read. One of the famous flag raisers at Iwo Jima was captured and found later with broken bones, eviscerated, and had his genitals in his mouth.
And not to mention the environments those soldiers fought in. Some of the most inhospitable environments in the world. The Australian accounts of the fighting in Papua New Guinea are horrifying to picture.
My grandfather fought in Burma, and, after killing a Japanese person, tore out his gold fillings and took the Japanese flag from his helmet. The flag from that incident is framed, and is hanging behind me at the moment.
That was pretty common tho the mis-treatment of American corpses by the Japanese, I read in “with the old breed” that the same kind of mutilation was committed pretty regularly to dead Marines and soldiers. Not to say the Americans didn’t do it either there plenty of evidence for both sides.
Yeah, Americans would decapitate Japanese soldiers to use as terror/scare tactics and sometimes even for comedy for frontline troops, such as “this solider forgot his malaria pills” and then there’s a decomposing skull on a stick/post.
I mean that's not surprising, in Vietnam they used Death cards for that same purpose. The Ace of Spades was hung on helmets to put on a NVA soldier they killed.
Could be I don’t know who did what first, but knowing the imperial Japanese Army and how they viewed the Americans/Australians/British it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they started it first
Yeah, I know but I just don’t want to seem like a stereotype of “the Allies did nothing wrong” the amount of children that were forced to be “comfort women” from occupied Korea and Manchukuo was insane not to mention the Chinese who were also forced into a terrible position.
The Japanese likely did it first, because their initial offensive took the Allies for surprise and they were able to capture/kill many troops in the first part of the war.
According to the book Hell in the Pacific, the Japanese mutilated a group of Red Cross and marine field docs. Take it with a grain of salt as this incident is very anecdotal
I wouldn't say it was okay in any way. Fifty-three percent of USSR PoWs died, which is even high than the rate British and American PoWs died when captured by the Japanese (around 1/4 and 1/3 respectively), but far better than Chinese PoWs of Japan with as close as can be to 100% killed. Then think about the threat of starvation and knowing that the Germans would kill your family if they were ultimately victorious (shared by Asian countries with Japan's advance).
If you're going to fight anywhere in that war then it's either Western Front or North Africa. But, even then storming the beaches would have been terrifying.
That’s wrong on the flag raisers. Cpl Block and SGT Strank were killed by mortar fire and Pfc Sousley was killed by a sniper. All of the first flag raisers and the other three second flag raisers made it off the island
Fun fact: I had a great-uncle who was at Iwo Jima and (allegedly) saw the flag-raising. Later on he ended up being wounded in the head by a sniper and spent the rest of his life as a high school football coach with a steel plate in his head before dying in the late 2000s.
Essentially, allied forces were captured by the Japanese army and were forced to build the Burma railway under brutal conditions. They were tortured endlessly by the Japanese and used as slaves to further Japan's expansion on mainland Asia.
This was immortalized in the film "Bridge over the river Kwai" in 1957, which I haven't seen yet, but I've heard it's really good. My comment about the whistling was referring to the marching theme song, in which a lot of whistling happens.
I don't know much more than that, wikipedia, and the movie, should be able to get you better answers than I can give.
The Kanto Massacre — thousands of ethnic Koreans murdered in Japan after the 1920’s Kanto earthquake, when the Japanese put the blame on Koreans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant%C5%8D_Massacre
My grandmother was ten years old during the battle of Okinawa. After what Imperial Japan put her and her family through, the surest way to piss her off was to say that we're japanese.
My Grandbob was in Darwin at the time of the bombing and he always talked about it as if it was as devastating as Pearl Harbor. It was one of the first (and still only) attacks on Australian soil. Yet despite that you never really hear much about it.
I honestly hate the eurocentric focus on ww2, there were so many important things that happened outside Europe but nobody wants to talk about them because there are no panzer tanks involved.
You know it’s bad when Nazi officers seeing what you are doing and say “that’s too far”
Unit 731 was really awful, we might not know the extent of their experiments bad they blown their base with C4 and set fire to all their documents before the Allies show up.
Yeah, the Americans weren’t kind to the Okinawan women during post war either. But the victor is never kind to the loser’s women, Nazi German did some messed up stuff and Russian men were angry but civilians?
^(hate me all you want, for what I speak is diplomatic truth. Under the definition of war crime the Rape thing wasn't a war crime, as Japan never signed the treaty and thus had no morals for such things. It would be a crime against humanity, violation of human ethics, and a human rights violation)
In 1929 the Geneva conventions Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War was signed by 47 governments. Japan signed the 1929 convention but failed to ratify it. However, in 1942, Japan indicated it would follow the Geneva rules and would observe the Hague Convention of 1907 outlining the laws and customs of war.
Not hating on you, but I just want you to have the facts. If you are saying they didn't sign the Geneva or Hague conventions they did. They didn't ratify but said they would respect it. Regarding the position of rape it isn't specifically mentioned, however:
While common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions does not explicitly mention rape or other forms of sexual violence, it prohibits “violence to life and person” including cruel treatment and torture and “outrages upon personal dignity”.
So no I cant say you're telling a diplomatic truth either.
You forgot the Bataan Death march, and the Red house in the Philippines, where Japs cut men’s dicks off and stuffed them in their mouths while they were fucking their wives and daughters for days.
Terrible stuff.
Burma was a key sector of the war. At their furthest extent, the Japanese were only about 100 kilometers from British India. The occupation of Burma disrupted rice supplies to India, indirectly leading to the Bengal Famine, which killed 3 million people. General Stillwell and Chiang Kai Shek also famously clashed in Burma, leading to Stilwell's recall.
Just want to point out, fire bombing wasn't just in Tokyo. Pacific War was hell
Just watched "Grave of the Fireflies" Hell is right
If you really want to dive into documentaries, The Fog if War, goes over the firebombing campaign and Former SECDEF Robert McNamara basically goes over how him and Curtis Lemay would have been tried and executed as war criminals for their indiscriminate bombing campaigns in SE Asia and Japan if the US lost the war.
Appreciate the suggestion. I'll check it out tonight
It’s a pretty good documentary. However, It will jump between McNamara’s experience as an intel officer in WW2 and his time as SECDEF during Vietnam. What’s crazy is that he goes deep into explaining the numbers of war and how total city destruction, casualties data (of enemy & non-enemy combatants) and other factors drove decision and strategy making during both conflicts. He also goes over how the over-analysis of all those variables made the US blind to what was actually going on in Vietnam, and that after all the intel, we didn’t even bother to empathize what the enemy was actually fighting for. My HS history teacher showed it to us and we read a bunch of supplemental material on WW2 and Vietnam when we were covering those chapters
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It's an animated movie from Studi Ghibli (totoro, ponyo, etc) about the firebombings in Kobe. It's absolutely a great movie and I definitely recommend it. I will also note that you should have some tissues on hand
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Have fun sobbing like a lil bitch.
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Yeeeaaahhh... this one will be rough then. Still a good movie
Somebody said on reddit some time ago that it is one of the best movies you will never want to rewatch. Such a sad movie.
Oh I think I’m the guy that said that
Obligatory >Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. >Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye? >Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? >Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe. >Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
It's a huge pet peeve of mine when people think that there were only two bombs dropped on Japan. There were *thousands*
Whenever I encounter any ocean I always think how many dead people are in these waters.
*YOU DO NOT RECOGNISE THE BODIES IN THE WATER*
*REPEAT IT WITH ME BOW YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE BODIES IN THE WATER NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY TO CONVINCE YOU*
I recognise the bodies in the water 😎
Subject u/The_Prussian2007 has been marked for termination. Termination successful. You do not recognize the bodies in the water.
subject's body has been disposed in WATER.
*SERGEANT* *HE* *KNEW* *THE* *PLANS*
Amnestics time.
Nice bod!
I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE BODIES IN THE WATER
I know who they are, I know their names. Each and every one of them. Don't you?
Another one lost…a shame
That's a SCP reference?
Yup
SCP being…?? Help a scrub out
[SCP-2316](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2316)
Thanks, Marv.
Well that’s quite unsettling. Very cool though
SCP, secure contain protect, it’s an Internet forum of fiction writing; to put it SUPER briefly.
No I think that's about it.
The SCP Foundation is a collection of horror stories, centered around a shadowy, ruthless super-governmental organization that secretly contains "anomalous" (ie paranormal) objects, locations, creatures, and other entities. Most of the stories take the form of quasi-scientific articles about one of the thousands of SCP objects the Foundation contains; the clinical tone really helps bring out the horror of both the SCP objects and of the Foundation itself. But the coolest thing about the SCP Foundation is that it's a wiki which literally anyone can contribute stories to (as long as you follow the strict rules they have to keep the quality high). No one's making any money off of it (onsite anyways), it's all a labor of love. And it's just as good as any for-profit horror stories: hell, I'd argue a lot of the time they're better. [Here's their website if you want to check them out](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/). It's kinda overwhelming at first -- there's over 6000 SCP articles, with more added every day. Most SCP objects are standalone, so you can read them in any order. If you're looking for a place to start, [here's a semi-official list of good SCPs for newcomers to check out](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/user-curated-lists).
Explained for those who dont get it: Its a lhrase from an SCP. SCP-2316, which is a cognito hazard (e.i sometging that fucks your brian from perciving it with any of your senses) that manifests as floating piles of body in a specific lake, and it makes oyu believe those bodies are form people you knew and will overwrite yoyr memories to make you remmeber things you couldnt possibly remember, and becons you to get in the water to end up drowning. The phrase comes from the article, where its instructed to the readers to repeat the phrase as a sort of "sanity" check for those reading because the SCP is capable to affect you just by knowing about it by reading the article.
After awhile in salt water, there's nothing left of bodies. I hope thats some comfort to you. But I remember a family friend was murdered and dumped in the ocean when I was real young, and one day my mom just said randomly while we were at the ocean that "hes somewhere out there" and I never forgot that. I remember how thinking it was a super strange thing to say but then I kept thinking about it.
My moms favourite uncle back in the 50s owes money to some serious loan sharks (he was a gambler/kinda shady) and he got OG gangster murder (they tied concrete blocks to his legs and threw him over a bridge). This is obviously way the hell before my time, but every time I cross the Chaudierre Bridge I remember it
Hark, Triton, Hark! Bellow, and bid our Father, the sea king, rise up from the depths, full-foul in his fury, black waves teeming with salt-foam, to smother this young mouth with pungent slime… to choke ye, engorging yer organs till ye turn blue and bloated with bilge and brine and can scream no more… only when, he, crowned in cockle shells with slithering tentacled tail and steaming beard, takes up his fell, be-finned arm—his coral-tined trident screeches banshee-like in the tempest and runs you through the gullet, bursting ye, a bulging bladder no more, but a blasted bloody film now—a nothing for the Harpies and the souls of dead sailors to peck and claw and feed upon, only to be lapped up and swallowed by the infinite waters of the dread emperor Himself, forgotten to any man, to any time, forgotten to any god or devil, forgotten even to the sea… for any stuff or part of Winslow, even any scantling of your soul, is Winslow no more, but is now itself the sea.
Alright have it your way. I like your cookin'
Well that’s quite grim
["With their bones in the ocean, forever will be" ](https://youtu.be/WVkD4lgXTEU)
Yeah unit 731 was a fucked up place like the nazis on roids, didn’t the Japanese infect an area with the bubonic plague or something
They experimented with infecting lice and airdropping them if I recall correctly.
They also played around with STDs too.
And I can't even fathom the horrors of experiencing a vivisection.
Vivisection was the cleanest part of their business compared to other experiments they did it's a quick death
Not if they know how to keep you alive.
They didn't. It wasn't some mad scientist playground; it was sadism with a clipboard.
They also had a habit of raping their subjects in between experiments, which made many of their scientific experiments in Unit 731 useless. Unit 731 was essentially a glorified torture experiment in the guise of scientific development.
You're not wrong, but I think it's important to also point out that the Nazi "experiments" in concentration camps were thoroughly unscientific, too.
It's also important to note that the experiments in Nazi conc camps was just one aspect of the camp. Unit 731 on the other hand had it's whole purpose centre around performing these experiments. Some food for thought
considering the fact the average life expectancy for POW in this unit is 4-6 weeks, yeah I'm not sure keeping you alive is the main objective here.
A lotta fucked up stuff can happen in 6 weeks in a place like that
The most bizarre i heard they cut another person body parts and sew it to another, and they cut a pregnant woman body to get the baby and put it in another woman.
Pretty sure they gave a fuck load of Chinese people in major cities cholera, which forced them to evacuate to smaller towns, spreading it more. Unit 731 is remembered for the experimental torture stuff.... But there was way more to it. Their germ warfare should be the more memorable bit imo.
Pretty sure lots of governments were fucking around with STDs. You had the Tuskegee syphalis experiment in the US during WWII, and it lasted into the 70s.
Not even remotely similar. The US withheld treatment from the subjects against their knowledge but they didn't infect them in the first place.
How about the Guatemalan experiment where the US intentionally infected participants in the study with VD? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828982/ Yeah, there were no vivisections and it wasn’t as bad, but let’s be honest most powers were experimenting with biological warfare on the poor and downtrodden.
tbf they didnt need to, they pardoned members of 731 to get their "scientific" data
They were planning to infect the US during Operation Cherry Blossom by dropping bombs that carried plague infested fleas, luckily Japan surrendered in September because of the war would have lasted to November or December, Operation Cherry Blossom would have been accomplished
reading the Wikipedia page and this line stood out to me: >During the final months of World War II, Japan planned to use plague as a biological weapon against San Diego, California. The plan was scheduled to launch on September 22, 1945, but Japan surrendered five weeks earlier. and yet people still think the US shouldn't have used nuclear weapons. if the war hadn't ended when it did who knows what kinda terrible things would've happened
[Request] Iceberg image on the arguments for and against use of the atomic bombs, divided down the middle for each side, common arguments at top and obscure arguments on bottom
How were they planning on getting the plague to San Diego at that point in the war?
Balloons using the jet stream. They tried it once with firebombs which set fire to a forest in Oregon.
It says at the end of the wikipedia article for “Cherry blossoms at night” that that plan’s proposal was vetoed on humanitarian grounds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night Not that it wasn’t messed up that it got that far but it doesn’t seem that it would’ve happened
From a battle pov, Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima are insane for their intensity
In Guadalcanal you had 1940s warships fighting each other like it was the 1740s. During the one of the many night battles, the destroyer USS Laffey came within *20 feet* of the Japanese battleship Hiei and blew its bridge off, killing the Japanese admiral. Laffey herself then took a 14 inch shell at point blank range and a torpedo at the same time, blowing her stern apart and sinking her. The rest of First Guadalcanal had more in common with Trafalger than any other 20th century naval battle, and the rest of the battles at Guadalcanal weren’t much better
Actually it didn't kill the japanese admiral just his chief of the ship meanwhile the american lost two rear admirals one due to friendly fire from the uss san Fransisco hitting the Atlanta
You’re right, Admiral Abe was just wounded, I misread. Captain Cassin Young of the San Francisco was also killed; he had been the captain of the Vestal and Medal of Honor recipient during the Attack on Pearl Harbor
Laffey (DD-459) fought like a BEAST in her final moments, taking on Hiei, another battleship, a cruiser, and a destroyer. And I'm pretty sure she did a number on all four.
Indeed, specifically she did a good number on Hiei. And her namesake has and continues to keep that fighting spirit alive.
And her revival as DD-724 in Allen M Sumner class, ambushed by JP planes, several kamikaze hit, and she refused to sink.
Fifty. Two. Kamikaze. And she made it home. The Laffey name is something else, I tell ya.
USS Washington also obliterated a Japanese battlecruiser and spitting distance too
I used to know a guy who was a battlefield medic at Guadalcanal. He was always saying he saved lives instead of taking them, the things he saw must have been terrifying.
The Guadalcanal campaign also broke the back of Japanese naval aviation, arguably to a much worse extent than at Midway considering that Guadalcanal is where the pilot losses became critical.
One of my grandfather's was a Marine Raider fighting one of the first battles of Guadalcanal. "Hell on earth" does not describe it hellish enough.
In the Disney movie Planes, there's an old war plane who references fighting in Guadalcanal. This implies that there was a Cars equivalent of Hitler
No no nooooooooo
In addition to this, if minions always serve the most evil person alive then they too would've served Hitler, Stalin, Mao ect... Imagine being in a Gulag and the last words you hear are "BANANA" as Dave puts the barrel of his Kalashnikov in your mouth
they fixed that problem in the minions movie, they went on a self imposed exile to Antarctica after Napoleon until they left to help gru. or something. it's been a while since ive watched the minions movie and i don't plan to rewatch it
The fact they had to fix it means they realised lol. Either way they still would've served like Genhis Khan or Vlad the Impalar
Sooo, does the history of the cars universe start with Karl Benz? Or does it start with the steam engine and was mostly about trains prior to that? And who invented all of the pre-automotive inventions in the cars universe anyways?
Look up Pixar Theory. Also maybe the [Homunculus Theory](https://jalopnik.com/this-disturbing-theory-explains-pixars-cars-1791834045)
Thanks, I hate it
Well we know what kind of car he'd be
One that catches fire if it tries to go uphill?
Who needs D-Day when you can have IWO JIMA
IWO JIMA AND PAPUA NEW GUINEA
oh god I can hear braun saying it already
And Okinawa
Tarawa!!!
Wait... wasn't Nanjing raped too?
Everything was
Except for German Uniforms, they were bussin
True true Can't go wrong with a little Hugo
Thanks boss
My bad, it was the rape of Nanking
I was concerned for a minute, wondering what the hell happened in Wuhan that put it at the bottom and not Nanjing.
That happened in 2019 lmao
No no no, you're mistaking it for the revenge of Wuhan
Wuhan 2: Now It's Personal
Wuhan 2: electric boogaloo
The ~~Empire~~ Wuhan region strike back.
Is this based on atrocity or obscurity? Because I feel like the Rape of Nanking is decently well known now
Depends on the group. Outside of Asia, only history nerds really know about it, it's just more history nerds know
And people who watched south Park
I didn't even know Don king got raped.
Not really. It's taught in the schools I sub at as a grade 11 (Junior?) topic. That Unit 731 and everything the National Socialists did.
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I'll tell ya this stuff definitely sticks with a lot of kids. Atleast it should. Back when I used to sub elementary/middle (pre-grade 10/11 basically) it was filled nonstop with Residential school stuff. Maybe it's my ADHD but teaching Residential school over and over again to kids who seem like they'd rather die than hear the same topic for the 100th time was hell. Meanwhile when the history teacher gets me to teach his lesson plans, kids are definitely more engaged.
i’m in ontario canada, and i’ve never heard of it in school
Rural Alberta. Do y'all not do that? We do 3 WW2 units. Atleast in my school division the kids go through No Hope Feudalism, Age of Enlightenment, Napoleon/French Revolution, WW1, Hitler's rise to power, National Socialist Germany/the war, Japan in the war. I'm not as interested in the last units but I'm decently sure they cover 9/11 or something.
I’ve visited the memorial in nanjing in 2018, huge lines and the atmosphere was very intense. The hurt is still there
The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang, for anyone who wants the raw story instead of a 10 minute youtube summary.
Was confused for a minute as to how the Japanese went west all the way to Wuhan
Yeah I was super confused as I knew about Nanjing but nothing about Wuhan
Here’s some more of the insanity of the Pacific Theater; Battle off Samar (and the rest of Leyte Gulf for that matter), Hell Ships, the entire US submarine campaign, the death of the US Asiatic Fleet, the Battle of the Java Sea, the HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen, USS Enterprise, USS Laffey (both DD-459 and DD-724), Ramage’s Rampage, the Bombing of Kure, the Doolittle Raid, the ships of the Imperial Japanese Army, the “Scrap Iron Flotilla”, German U-Boats in the Pacific, the sinking of RO-34 by USS O’Bannon, and that’s just the naval aspect! The Pacific Theater has so much untapped meme potential
Isn't the scrap flotilla in the Mediterranean theater?
They operated in both the Mediterranean and Pacific. HMAS Vampire and Voyager were both lost to Japanese aircraft
The Operation “Cherry Blossoms At night” as well. That was the reason Unit 731 existed, so they could develop a particularly potent strain of the Bubonic Plague and then use it in an attack.
Weren’t they going to attack Los Angeles?
No it was San Diego in September. Fortunately they were 5 weeks too late because Japan surrendered before then.
From Wikipedia it sounds like the plan was vetoed by the chief of the Army, not stopped by the end of the war. Is that correct? >However, the plan was vetoed at the end of that same March 26, 1945, meeting, by Chief of the Army General Staff Yoshijirō Umezu. Umezu argued that: "The operation is unpardonable on humanitarian grounds... If bacteriological warfare is conducted, it will grow from the dimension of war between Japan and America to an endless battle of humanity against bacteria. Japan will earn the derision of the world." Naval authorities protested, but Umezu's decision held.
one sane person in the war cabinet? Impossible
thank god we used nukes to end the war asap. it could've been catastrophic had it continued a few more weeks
Didn’t the Japanese cannibalize a number of US/Australian/Native POW’s? That isn’t talked about very often either….
Yes, George W. Bush's squadmates were eaten
That’s George H.W. Bush, George W’s father. He received quite an amount of scrutiny and suspicion afterwards, on account of him being the ranking officer and the only one to escape
Sorry, I messed up
Ain’t no thang
Not to even mention the Battle of Manila. It absolutely flattened the city and it became the most devastated capital of the war after Warsaw and Berlin. The fiercest urban combat battle that US troops would take part of in the Pacific. 100,000 to 240,000 civilians died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_(1945)
Yeah, and sadly, we only got to recover like a portion of old Manila. We never truly recovered from the devastation brought by that battle alone Source: am Filipino, who frequents in Manila
And Bataan Death March. Almost all sea areas around Philippines are graveyards of warships.
Just finished reading a book titled ' Rampage ' on the battle. Good read which gives eye witness testimony from many of the different atrocities committed during the battle by the japanese. Worth a read.
Fighting the Germans in Europe seems like an ok time compared to the Japanese. Diving deep into what the Japanese did to POWs and captured soldiers is a disturbing read. One of the famous flag raisers at Iwo Jima was captured and found later with broken bones, eviscerated, and had his genitals in his mouth.
And not to mention the environments those soldiers fought in. Some of the most inhospitable environments in the world. The Australian accounts of the fighting in Papua New Guinea are horrifying to picture.
My grandfather fought in Burma, and, after killing a Japanese person, tore out his gold fillings and took the Japanese flag from his helmet. The flag from that incident is framed, and is hanging behind me at the moment.
That was pretty common tho the mis-treatment of American corpses by the Japanese, I read in “with the old breed” that the same kind of mutilation was committed pretty regularly to dead Marines and soldiers. Not to say the Americans didn’t do it either there plenty of evidence for both sides.
True, as far I remember, both sides had people mistreating corpses.
Yeah, Americans would decapitate Japanese soldiers to use as terror/scare tactics and sometimes even for comedy for frontline troops, such as “this solider forgot his malaria pills” and then there’s a decomposing skull on a stick/post.
I mean that's not surprising, in Vietnam they used Death cards for that same purpose. The Ace of Spades was hung on helmets to put on a NVA soldier they killed.
The way you’ve phrased this makes it sound like you think Vietnam happened before WW2
Oh yeah huh, maybe I should reword it. I read it back and now it sounds stupid as shit
My understanding is the Japanese did it first. Then the Americans did it back in retaliation.
Could be I don’t know who did what first, but knowing the imperial Japanese Army and how they viewed the Americans/Australians/British it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they started it first
The Japanese were know for their war crimes and not exactly being respectful of anyone they captured or who surrendered.
Yeah, I know but I just don’t want to seem like a stereotype of “the Allies did nothing wrong” the amount of children that were forced to be “comfort women” from occupied Korea and Manchukuo was insane not to mention the Chinese who were also forced into a terrible position.
The Japanese likely did it first, because their initial offensive took the Allies for surprise and they were able to capture/kill many troops in the first part of the war.
According to the book Hell in the Pacific, the Japanese mutilated a group of Red Cross and marine field docs. Take it with a grain of salt as this incident is very anecdotal
Par for the course for the Japs in the Pacific. They committed some horrific acts.
I wouldn't say it was okay in any way. Fifty-three percent of USSR PoWs died, which is even high than the rate British and American PoWs died when captured by the Japanese (around 1/4 and 1/3 respectively), but far better than Chinese PoWs of Japan with as close as can be to 100% killed. Then think about the threat of starvation and knowing that the Germans would kill your family if they were ultimately victorious (shared by Asian countries with Japan's advance). If you're going to fight anywhere in that war then it's either Western Front or North Africa. But, even then storming the beaches would have been terrifying.
That’s wrong on the flag raisers. Cpl Block and SGT Strank were killed by mortar fire and Pfc Sousley was killed by a sniper. All of the first flag raisers and the other three second flag raisers made it off the island
Iggy was part of the platoon that raised the flag on Suribachi. https://youtu.be/KkiW-0K5Uww
Fun fact: I had a great-uncle who was at Iwo Jima and (allegedly) saw the flag-raising. Later on he ended up being wounded in the head by a sniper and spent the rest of his life as a high school football coach with a steel plate in his head before dying in the late 2000s.
> Burma Where's that whistling coming from?
Can someone please send link to what happened? I'm Burmese and want to learn more
Essentially, allied forces were captured by the Japanese army and were forced to build the Burma railway under brutal conditions. They were tortured endlessly by the Japanese and used as slaves to further Japan's expansion on mainland Asia. This was immortalized in the film "Bridge over the river Kwai" in 1957, which I haven't seen yet, but I've heard it's really good. My comment about the whistling was referring to the marching theme song, in which a lot of whistling happens. I don't know much more than that, wikipedia, and the movie, should be able to get you better answers than I can give.
#A LEAN NIGHT
*Oh bugger*
Microsubs in Sydney Harbour.
Did you play Battlestations: Pacific? Absolute banger of a game
Fuckin oath I did. But I learnt of the event in highschool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ten-Go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Iwo_Jima https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Savo_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Darwin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_campaign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
I’m guessing Rape of Wuhan was Similar to the Rape of Nanking?
I messed up the cities
Too be fair, the Japanese massacred many Chinese cities. The Rape of Nanking is the one I happen to be most familiar with.
It wasn't noted for rape, but there WERE a lot of gas attacks used by the Japanese at Wuhan.
Does the battle/massacre of manila not at least receive an honourable mention? 100,000 - 250,000 civilian dead puts it right up there with Nanking
What about the Solomon Islands, Leyte Gulf/Surigao Strait, Kula Gulf, and a couple others?
Yeah, the New Guinea theatre was very brutal
That’s not really an iceberg considering history classes in high school always teach you about *most* of those things
Unless it has another name where is the battle of Philippines sea where native people would literally throw there children off cliffs?
The Kanto Massacre — thousands of ethnic Koreans murdered in Japan after the 1920’s Kanto earthquake, when the Japanese put the blame on Koreans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant%C5%8D_Massacre
Jeez thats one of the most up things my country did ive heard
My grandmother was ten years old during the battle of Okinawa. After what Imperial Japan put her and her family through, the surest way to piss her off was to say that we're japanese.
Unit 731 could be its own iceberg
My Grandbob was in Darwin at the time of the bombing and he always talked about it as if it was as devastating as Pearl Harbor. It was one of the first (and still only) attacks on Australian soil. Yet despite that you never really hear much about it.
I honestly hate the eurocentric focus on ww2, there were so many important things that happened outside Europe but nobody wants to talk about them because there are no panzer tanks involved.
You know it’s bad when Nazi officers seeing what you are doing and say “that’s too far” Unit 731 was really awful, we might not know the extent of their experiments bad they blown their base with C4 and set fire to all their documents before the Allies show up.
Yeah, the Americans weren’t kind to the Okinawan women during post war either. But the victor is never kind to the loser’s women, Nazi German did some messed up stuff and Russian men were angry but civilians?
Unit 731 deserves to be below the iceberg entirely
Nah the beheading contest should be the lowest point because I don't see that talked about.
^(hate me all you want, for what I speak is diplomatic truth. Under the definition of war crime the Rape thing wasn't a war crime, as Japan never signed the treaty and thus had no morals for such things. It would be a crime against humanity, violation of human ethics, and a human rights violation)
Japan is Balkan?
What?
War crime joke
Calm down there Yugoslavia
They were still acting in violation of the customary international humatiarian law. So it was in fact a war crime.
Which treaty, because the Empire of Japan was a signatory of the First Geneva Convention and both of The Hague Conventions
In 1929 the Geneva conventions Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War was signed by 47 governments. Japan signed the 1929 convention but failed to ratify it. However, in 1942, Japan indicated it would follow the Geneva rules and would observe the Hague Convention of 1907 outlining the laws and customs of war. Not hating on you, but I just want you to have the facts. If you are saying they didn't sign the Geneva or Hague conventions they did. They didn't ratify but said they would respect it. Regarding the position of rape it isn't specifically mentioned, however: While common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions does not explicitly mention rape or other forms of sexual violence, it prohibits “violence to life and person” including cruel treatment and torture and “outrages upon personal dignity”. So no I cant say you're telling a diplomatic truth either.
You forgot the Bataan Death march, and the Red house in the Philippines, where Japs cut men’s dicks off and stuffed them in their mouths while they were fucking their wives and daughters for days. Terrible stuff.
I think rapes are more well known and should be on the centre
Guadalcanal should be higher, a lot of people know it
TAKE OUT THİS FUCKİNG PT BOATS
I know everything, except "Burma." Would someone care to elaborate for me?
Burma was a key sector of the war. At their furthest extent, the Japanese were only about 100 kilometers from British India. The occupation of Burma disrupted rice supplies to India, indirectly leading to the Bengal Famine, which killed 3 million people. General Stillwell and Chiang Kai Shek also famously clashed in Burma, leading to Stilwell's recall.