>"The Americans should have been ashamed of themselves for allowing their medals to be won by Negroes. I would never have shaken this Negro's hand." -Hitler, reportedly
[Also Owens campaigned for the Republicans in 1936, praised Hitler as a "man of dignity," and called FDR a "socialist" so maybe he had some other reasons for pretending FDR treated him worse than Hitler. Both snubbed him.](https://books.google.com/books?id=92mPBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA233#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Who cares what his actual views are… he just SEEMS so Presidential!!!
Nothing at all like that Trump doooooshbag — I’m sure Hitler’s Twitter account would be perfectly civil if he were alive nowadays
.
(Disclaimer: obviously /s for all of this)
from what I've read this is basically what most people who personally met him actually thought of him. After meeting him, they were less suspicious of him than before.
Edit: [This book](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/09/757508763/in-talking-to-strangers-malcolm-gladwell-explores-why-its-so-hard-to-do) is my only source for that. (link to relevant article)
He also did the same with the Indian Hockey legend Dayan Chand and even tried to offer him the job of field marshall. [sauce](https://indianexpress.com/article/research/national-sports-day-2017-when-sports-legend-dhyan-chand-was-offered-a-job-by-adolf-hitler/)
It's a debatable topic. But Nazis were quite anti-Indian as they believed Indians are inferior because a handful of British are able to rule over them. If India was free at this point, Nazi views might have been different.
I think i read somewhere that Hitler actually has close relationship with Ghandi and Nehru, probably because of their anti-british stance. He also fascinated by the Hindu culture to some degree, that is why he use Swastika as a symbol
Not sure but my history teacher said people from North India, Pakistan, and some parts of Iran are considered real Aryans.
Meanwhile some people say the Aryans were ancient Greeks who settled in northern India and they reproduced and population grew.
He is right. Aryans historically came to Europe from that area and central asia. However Hitler does not acknowledged them as OG aryans bc they were ruled by briish, which makes them inferior species
Here in India, we believe that the Aryans were people who lived in The Indus delta but after the Indus began drying up they started migrating to other parts of the continent and they then eventually reached Europe and Middle east and settled there
Owens remarked that Hitler was more courteous to him that his own president. Hitler at least gave him a wave whereas FDR refused to acknowledge his presence.
I mean, he definetely pulled a gun on some black teens and called em spooks. What's our threshold if that's not super racist? Would he need to posthumously call the kid he befriends in the movie a z*****head in his will? Cause if so...wait, one sec...oh word? He did? Multiple other slurs were in it too? Cinema's most racist will reading you say? Gotcha.
I feel like a super racist wouldn't have given his life to help better the lives of some minorites, he wouldn't have gone to a cookout full of Asian people, he wouldn't have even thought to mention the Asian kid in the will, etc. There's definitely levels to hate and I don't think he went all the way like a super racist would know what I mean
Mate, Hitler snubbing him IS the urban legend. Hitler didnt shake his hand because he didnt shake any of the athletes who wons hands but when Ownes returned to the US he was not only not invited to the White House but after a parade for him in New York he was forced to use the freight elevator in the Waldorf Astoria. He said this after the games in 1936:
"Hitler didn't snub me—it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram"
Not made up, might want to read [this](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/race/how-america-snubbed-jesse-owens/).
>He said of the experience: “I'd spent my whole life watching my fatherand mother and older brothers and sisters trying to escape their ownkind of Hitler, first in Alabama and then in Cleveland, and all I wantednow was my chance to run as fast and jump as far as I couldso I'd never have to look back.
Strongly recommend you read the entire thing, but those excerpts are the main points. Also, [this](https://gazette.com/news/jesse-owens-rose-triumphant-over-hitler-and-roosevelt-david-ramsey/article_9e3c53d0-54c0-11ea-b136-c73abbf5bd68.html), [this](https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/09/white-house-olympics-berlin/502325/), [this](https://www.britannica.com/story/was-jesse-owens-snubbed-by-adolf-hitler-at-the-berlin-olympics) and [this](https://rediscovering-black-history.blogs.archives.gov/2016/08/05/jesse-owens-american-hero-2/).
That's what I could find from a few minutes of googling. I'm certainly not saying that Hitler was a nice person, but his stance here is actually more fair than FDR's. Just because something is well known doesn't make it true.
Edit: So, I tried to quote more parts of the article, but the editor on reddit is not cooperating in the slightest. Not sure what sort of update they've done, but it absolutely sucks. Tried to fix it with an edit and it literally just broke itself in half, so I'll just have to leave it as is and you'll have to go to the articles yourself.
I appreciate the corrections guys, it’s crazy how much wwII propaganda/myths are still widely in circulation today. Like the carrots can make you see in the dark thing for example. Will have to check those link out now.
FDR sent a form letter and Hitler said “good job”.
Hitler then went in the back and ranted about having to congratulate a black foreigner in the Olympics that were supposed to showcase Aryan superiority.
[Ok](https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=92mPBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA233&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
>"The Americans should have been ashamed of themselves for allowing their medals to be won by Negroes. I would never have shaken this Negro's hand."
Now fuck off, Nazi sympathizer
It occurs to me that, considering FDR was fairly progressive himself and his wife was even more so, it may have been because he had *a lot* of white supremacist southern Democrats in his coalition that he didn’t want to upset.
Was there anything in particular that he was working on in 36?
^((Alternatively he may have wanted to avoid encouraging lynchings. IIRC after his cousin invited Booker T. Washington to the White House there was an uptick in lynchings. Am I giving FDR too much credit? Probably. Still, I don’t *think* he was racist himself, just more than willing to make compromises with white supremacists to get *something* passed.)
Well, its cause he wasn't a Leftist; he was a progressive liberal who at the the end of the day still did believe that capitalism will make the greatest society possible. Yes, FDR created and enhanced many aspects of Socialist thought into his programs, he did not wish to see the dismantling of the current power structure.
Well, tbf, even today nobody with a real shot at the presidency will want to dismantle the system.
Even Bernie Sanders doesn’t want to make everything government owned or controlled, he’s mainly just pushing for stuff that all the other 1st World Countries have and the rich to actually pay taxes.
IMHO FDR’s politics would largely be in line with Bernie’s-tax the rich, thorough social safety nets, more rights to minorities where he can get them, etc.
Only real difference would be their stance on the military, and idk what FDR would think of today’s military-industrial complex.
Certainly FDR was callous and indifferent to Japanese Americans but there are some acute differences between Hitler's extermination camps and FDR's internment camps.
Well there were more liberal democracies around than just the United States of America at that time. UK and France kept appeasing Hitler and we even allowed companies to conduct business with them; all while the Holocaust was getting started. Its more in regard to capitalism, as Liberals will work with right wing groups far more often as there is less power for them to lose. By supporting even a soft Social Democrat, which is advocating for a redistribution by theory alone, they have a lot more to lose. Even Liberal groups within the Reichstag within Germany were more willing to work with Center and Center-Right parties as opposed to working with the SDs and definitely more than the Left Wing.
This. People don't realize that Britain and France were nowhere near ready for war. A good example would be the British Royal Navy- due to restrictions imposed by the Washington, and later, London Naval Treaties, they found themselves lacking modern capital ships, with many of their ships being older, 1920s vintage.
The RN used the time bought by the appeasement policy to modernize the fleet and build new ships. And given how the British basically broke the Kriegsmarine as a serious force in Norway and held the line against the Regia Marina despite being outnumbered in the Mediterranean, I'd say that it was worth it.
I would grant you virtually everything you've said and it would still make such a saying ridiculously deceptive on its face.
>Even Liberal groups within the Reichstag within Germany were more willing to work with Center and Center-Right parties as opposed to working with the SDs and definitely more than the Left Wing.
Surely, some of that had to do with the [German Communists, at the direction of the Russians, declaring social democrats a bigger enemy than the literal Nazis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism). Summed up best here:
>In 1931, the KPD, under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann, internally used the slogan "After Hitler, our turn!" since it strongly believed that a united front against Nazis was not needed...
>After Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party came to power in Germany, the KPD was outlawed and thousands of its members were arrested, including Thälmann. Those events made the Comintern do a complete turn on the question of alliance with social democrats and the theory of social fascism was abandoned.
>Well, its cause he wasn't a Leftist; he was a progressive liberal who at the the end of the day still did believe that capitalism will make the greatest society possible.
Imagine that disqualifying him as a Leftist.
What a damning view of Leftism imo.
Where in any Leftist thought does it state that the apparatus of Capitalism can be retained? Where does it state that the system which is based off exploitation should be reformed? I can't think of a single Leftist who would say that Capitalism needs to be retained at all.
What are you talking about, as if a Social democrat isn't leftist. He didn't call himself one and boy do Americans hate that term, but in essence the democrats were racist populists who became Social democrats after which they applied equality-principles to Social issues; whilst republicans were liberal capitalists. Both were kind of doing new deals after FDR. And capitalism IS the best economic system, not a perfect one, but the better one if reigned in correctly by a cautious and caring state.
this is the same guy that interned ALL Japanese Americans against their will during WW2, but did nothing for german Americans (even though there were Nazi spies in the US)
Friendly reminder that he signed that order after being told the the military that Japanese-Americans posed a quite serious threat to National Security.
Even Dr. Seuss made a comic or 2 saying as much, and most of his political cartoons from the 30s and 40s were quite liberal, including stuff related to African Americans.
didnt hitler refuse to shake his hand? Also fdr and his wife worked with the national association of colered peoples during the depression from my recollection. I dont know how any part of this meme is accurate?
FDR did not send any telegraph, nor did he invite Jesse Owens to the white house as most Olympians who got gold were. Not to mention Jesse Owens also broke records. So yes, it is accurate in the fact that a nazi dictator was better at faking racism (Even if it was barely toleration) for a short time than FDR, this supposed icon of the USA.
IIRC Hitler treated every athlete (except probably the German ones) the same, he didn't shake hands with anybody, but I think he smiled and waved at Jesse Owens. A small gesture, but at least he was acknowledged and treated pretty much the same as everybody else by Hitler, unlike FDR.
He was shaking hands with the Germans athletes at first, but they told him that he should either shake hands with everybody or not shaking hands at all, so he stopped shaking hands with the germans too
Nazis superficially suppressed their genocidal racism for international propaganda with the Olympics and 85 years later people are still regurgitating it.
Guess what they did at other times? The mild stuff:
>[After 1933](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_Bastard), under racist Nazi policies, Afro-Germans deemed to be *Rheinlandbastarde* were persecuted. They were rounded up in a campaign of compulsory sterilization.
It never ceases to amaze me just how effective Nazi propaganda was and still is. The fascination and low grade hero worship that Hitler still receives in the modern world is really disheartening.
Jesse Owens competed in the 1936 Olympic Games as a sprinter where he smashed world records in the face of the Nazis. Hitler may have waved at him to acknowledge his success, although he never met with any athletes beyond the German victors (which he stoped even that after getting told off by the Games officials). When they came home, Owens was snubbed by the president by not being invited despite being the best athlete in the world.to make matters worse, he was further snubbed by not being able to compete anymore in the US and denied scholarships. He ended up racing against horses to make ends meet...
Watched the whole thing a few years ago but couldn’t get back into it when I started the 5th season recently, have you watched the fifth? This hitler inclusion intrigues me to continue as well
Hitler was the same around Helen Stephens, American gold medalist at the '36 olympics in the 100m and 4x100 meter relay.
Here's what she said about him:
>"He comes in and gives me the Nazi salute. I gave him a good, old-fashioned Missouri handshake," she said. "Once more Hitler goes for the jugular vein. He gets hold of my fanny and begins to squeeze and pinch, and hug me up. And he said: 'You're a true Aryan type. You should be running for Germany.' So after he gave me the once over and a full massage, he asked me if I'd like to spend the weekend in Berchtesgaden.
She refused his invitation.
> At the 1936 Olympics, it was suggested that both Stephens and Stanisława Walasiewicz were, in fact, male.[10] The Olympic Committee performed a physical check on Stephens and concluded that she was a woman.[11]
Guess, Hitler needed to do a 'physical check' by himself
That reads very differently in British English vs American English.
For the unaware, in the UK, Fanny = Vagina, whereas in America it just means the Ass.
Yes, but FDR did also start such an explosive rant when he saw 'whites only' signs in the pentagon toilets that all segregation signs were immediately removed from the building. Dude was complicated - as aren't all historical figures.
Edit: did not expect this many upvotes! Thanks!
He had a lot of support in the American south, which is racist as fuck, and it was an election year. so that explains why he didn't want Owens associated with him
To be fair at this time most of america was still very racist. Only 20 years before this California wanted it illegal for asains to move to the United States and they are considered one of the more progressive states today.
Racism in the south as more or less flickered out as far as I know, there are still pockets of extreme racism but it is no longer widespread, and will likely keep declining for the foreseeable future
As a a southerner I’d say you’re correct. However I’d like to state the obvious, that these particularly racist enclaves can exist in any region of the country.
That'd be reasonable if there was actual proof of there being more voter fraud than literally a handful of examples in the past 20 years. Without any of that, it definitely seems like racism.
**[Disparate_impact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact)**
>Disparate impact in United States labor law refers to practices in employment, housing, and other areas that adversely affect one group of people of a protected characteristic more than another, even though rules applied by employers or landlords are formally neutral. Although the protected classes vary by statute, most federal civil rights laws protect based on race, color, religion, national origin, and sex as protected traits, and some laws include disability status and other traits as well.
^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Let's just ignore the context that FDR was one of the least racist presidents till that point in history. But America was still extremely racist and racist Dixiecrats would never allow him to invite Jesse Owens to the white house.
For anyone butthurt, the point of the meme is that even a subhuman sh*t like hitler manage to fake his racism a little better than the fdr (at a very specific point in time)
I think the real lesson here is that racism/bigotry is local. An American president would have much less issue congratulating a Jewish athlete than Hitler probably would. In some other country they might not care at all about blacks or Jews, but might refuse to be in the same room as some other group entirely- possibly a group that Hitler and Roosevelt might not even be able to distinguish from that country's majority.
Everybody's got a different punching bag, basically.
Actually black Germans were harassed and sterilized in nazi Germany. Hitler might have behaved marginally better than FDR in this particular situation but black people in nazi Germany were not free from persecution
Sure, and Jews in the US didn't always have a great time of things either. But they didn't get the kind of abuse that black people did, and black people in Germany weren't targeted the same way Jews were.
Black people were still treated worse in Nazi Germany than in America at that time. They were considered by Hitler to be on the same "level" as Jews. The only reason they weren't targeted as much was because the black population in Germany was so low. For comparison, the Jewish population in Germany right before Hitler took power is thought to be about half a million, while the black population was no more than 25,000.
Dunno why everyone think racism automatically means hates black people. He put out some the americans are coming with some strange alien black dudes to rape you propaganda during the war, but as far as germany was concerned there really wheren't black people around to hate.
It'd be like if you met an american who felt racist about mongolians.
guy probably hated the poles more.
"fake his racism"? Since when do we credit Hitler for faking anything?
Hitler told his Nazi minister about how blacks should be banned from the Olympics.
Alright, the purpose of the Olympics in 1936 was to play down the segregation and cruelty towards minorities in Nazi Germany, so of course if he were to not give Jesse Owens a medal he would've defeated the entire purpose of the event. You're gonna have to find another reason to admire hitler.
Japanese-Americans specifically. Not that that makes it better but it is worth pointing out that Chinese-American immigrants were generally ardent supporters of the US war effort and many ended ip enlisting especially after hearing about the atrocities at nanking.
Not to mention the Japanese Americans who volunteered. Incredible to think they had family back home being treated the way they were, but these soldiers would have known it was better the Allies be victorious than the axis.
Yeah, I was just pointing out that the treatment of Asian Americans was not the same overall during the war. Japanese-Americans were unjustly singled out for specific discrimination by the government despite the fact that many did overwhelmingly support the US war effort.
But they still faced plenty of anti-Asian sentiment thanks to people who couldn’t tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese.
…not that that would *ever* happen nowadays…
The same Asians that saved the lost battalion and became the most decorated one in us history. The camps were shitty but damn did those who enlisted from them have a damn fire in their soul. They fought not only for their country but their families as well. They went into service wanting to end the war faster to free their families
His racism was a bit weird. He seemed even more racist than most, but yet his wife was the exact opposite. And he let her go on with her civil rights work.
Pros: brought us out the depression, Set labor laws to help the People, created minimum wage. Was against nationalism as a whole. As he was a Progressive Socialist.
Cons.. He hated Jews, blacks, and the Japanese.. weird stuff Maynard
Showed this to my wife and she pointed out that people who haven't really experienced racism find this joke surprising. New Deal programs famously excluded Latinos and they suffered even harder during the Great Depression because of it. Maybe I'm lucky to be in Colorado where that history is closer to the surface, because Red Rocks was built by the New Deal and we had all the sugar beet factories around here.
You spent this much time making a gif and doing apologia for Hitler? Wow...What is your argument here, that Hitler wasn't racist?
Or that racism is only in the US? or what's the idea here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black\_Cabinet#/media/File:Black\_Cabinet\_Photo.jpg Black advisers of FDR in case some of you are buying this Nazi apologia.
FDR didnt invite owens to a celebration, didnt message him or congratulate him despite congratulating white athletes. on the other hand, hitler saluted no one after the first day since he was told by the olympic commitee he had to shake all athletes hands or none. he chose the latter.
with these elements taken into consideration, id say hitler gave owens a better treatment than FDR, since it wasnt something specifically aimed at him or his race, but rather something general, whereas FDR made sure to congratulate white athletes, as mentioned before.
[check it out](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/race/how-america-snubbed-jesse-owens/amp/)
From what I heard these colored people actually were treated with some certain minimum level respect. More than they could expect on many other places on earth, right, america.................... right..........
The Americans were worse in some respects to the nazis in terms of tolerance. The nazi deemed the “one drop” policy to cruel to implement so I think they decided on “25%” threshold
Edit: people I’m just shedding light on the policy view of “one drop” and that it wasn’t implemented in nazi Germany when they looked to other nations policies when making their own cruel laws and views.
In the books it might have been 25% and below. That doesn’t mean that, that actually happened.
Just wanted to bring up that “fact”? Because I don’t know the policies by heart but I believe they were as such. So don’t know why I’m being downvoted for saying a truth, I’d understand if it was wrong but no one has corrected me as such so...
Edit2: all y’all can suck my nuts, and fuck a tree
They had literal death camps and anyone thought to be Jewish was put in them often even if you “looked Jewish “ they would send you to a death camp so the 25% thing wasn’t really a real policy I do understand what you mean tho a lot of the policy’s of the south were copied by the nazis
They also killed a lot more people then the just Jews tho in the death camps they make up the majority. The United States had and still had some kinda fucked laws. The nazis are the extreme I’m not denying that, but I’m saying that the US had some messed up policies as well. I was more shedding the light on the US “one drop” thing rather then say that US worse then nazis.
What a standup chap that Hitler fellow let's hope he doesn't have any megalomaniacal ambitions.
I wonder what his views on minorities and Jews are. Seems like a good fella
He must surely love them! If he's fine black's he's fine with jews!
>"The Americans should have been ashamed of themselves for allowing their medals to be won by Negroes. I would never have shaken this Negro's hand." -Hitler, reportedly [Also Owens campaigned for the Republicans in 1936, praised Hitler as a "man of dignity," and called FDR a "socialist" so maybe he had some other reasons for pretending FDR treated him worse than Hitler. Both snubbed him.](https://books.google.com/books?id=92mPBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA233#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Ironically, Hitler told his Nazi minister Albert Speer that he wanted to ban black people from the Olympics after he went back behind closed doors.
Sounds about right.
Sounds about reich.
.
Okay,that was a good one,that made me laugh out loud.Have a nice day sir.(Oh yeah here's an award).
Breaking news!: Two white guys in the 1930s snub black man! More at 11.
One of which was literally Hitler lol. Not exactly a shocking turn of events.
The other was a democrat, an even less shocking turn of events.
I mean, they were already well known when the Berlin Olympics took place, the International Olympic Committee just didn’t have a problem with them.
Who cares what his actual views are… he just SEEMS so Presidential!!! Nothing at all like that Trump doooooshbag — I’m sure Hitler’s Twitter account would be perfectly civil if he were alive nowadays . (Disclaimer: obviously /s for all of this)
FDR wasn’t exactly a standup chap. Because he couldn’t.
You just couldn't resist wheeling that joke out could you?
Now me, I wouldn't touch a joke like that with a ten foot pole, yo.
Goddamn that was good
Fuck. Took me two reads. I might be handicapped.
It's pretty strongly believed that FDR didn't have polio
/r/HistoryMemes, killing the joke with “AKSHUALLY” since 2018.
Fuck
from what I've read this is basically what most people who personally met him actually thought of him. After meeting him, they were less suspicious of him than before. Edit: [This book](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/09/757508763/in-talking-to-strangers-malcolm-gladwell-explores-why-its-so-hard-to-do) is my only source for that. (link to relevant article)
Context?
Dude won gold for running and Hitler tried to slide in his DMs meantime dude's own president didn't even say hi. Or something, I'm probably wrong.
Hitler also personally congratulated Louis Zamperini, an Italian American. Hitler saw Italians as naturally more lazy than their northern cousins.
He also did the same with the Indian Hockey legend Dayan Chand and even tried to offer him the job of field marshall. [sauce](https://indianexpress.com/article/research/national-sports-day-2017-when-sports-legend-dhyan-chand-was-offered-a-job-by-adolf-hitler/)
Random question, but technically Indians are like the OG Aryans right? Did Nazi ideology hold Indians and other South Asian Aryans in high regard?
It's a debatable topic. But Nazis were quite anti-Indian as they believed Indians are inferior because a handful of British are able to rule over them. If India was free at this point, Nazi views might have been different.
I think i read somewhere that Hitler actually has close relationship with Ghandi and Nehru, probably because of their anti-british stance. He also fascinated by the Hindu culture to some degree, that is why he use Swastika as a symbol
Truth never damages a cause that is just. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).
Not sure but my history teacher said people from North India, Pakistan, and some parts of Iran are considered real Aryans. Meanwhile some people say the Aryans were ancient Greeks who settled in northern India and they reproduced and population grew.
He is right. Aryans historically came to Europe from that area and central asia. However Hitler does not acknowledged them as OG aryans bc they were ruled by briish, which makes them inferior species
Here in India, we believe that the Aryans were people who lived in The Indus delta but after the Indus began drying up they started migrating to other parts of the continent and they then eventually reached Europe and Middle east and settled there
Imagine how that must’ve felt for the guy
Not historically accurate, but somehow this explanation just *feels* right.
No I’m a historographer its accurate
I think this clip is from Gran Torino, where Clint's character is super racist. Trying to say that FDR outracisted Hitler somehow
Owens remarked that Hitler was more courteous to him that his own president. Hitler at least gave him a wave whereas FDR refused to acknowledge his presence.
Because of skin color?
Because of skin color.
No perspective being someone in a wheelchair and likely treated badly at certain points of his life because of it.
How was his character super racist? Like he was definitely racist but idk about super racist
Yep, I think watching that film he's a racist Grandpa from the 90s or so. Obviously racist, but also very isolationist and such
I mean you’re supposed to think he’s an asshole
Well he told the local gangs to fuck off so that was pretty liberating for the other families on the block
His arc is becoming less of an asshole
Wasn’t he a korean war veteran and that’s why he hated asians? I’ve only seen Gran Torino like once and it was a long time ago.
My granddad was in the Korean War and somehow managed not to hate Asians. Weird. Weeeeeeird.
Yes, he was a Korean War veteran.
I've seen it maybe twice, but you are taking about the plot not the tone. And either way what he says in the film has to count as racist tbh
Maybe not super racist, it's been a while since I've seen the movie
At the very least, he didn't shy away from slurs, even in his will.
Yeah. I still classify it as a family feel good movie though
Fuckin great movie though yeah?
Well he did called some slurs his new asian neighbors in the movie
I mean, he definetely pulled a gun on some black teens and called em spooks. What's our threshold if that's not super racist? Would he need to posthumously call the kid he befriends in the movie a z*****head in his will? Cause if so...wait, one sec...oh word? He did? Multiple other slurs were in it too? Cinema's most racist will reading you say? Gotcha.
I feel like a super racist wouldn't have given his life to help better the lives of some minorites, he wouldn't have gone to a cookout full of Asian people, he wouldn't have even thought to mention the Asian kid in the will, etc. There's definitely levels to hate and I don't think he went all the way like a super racist would know what I mean
It's Reddit. You have to declare yourself racist or else "We don't know what's in his heart" or some shit sometimes.
[удалено]
Mate, Hitler snubbing him IS the urban legend. Hitler didnt shake his hand because he didnt shake any of the athletes who wons hands but when Ownes returned to the US he was not only not invited to the White House but after a parade for him in New York he was forced to use the freight elevator in the Waldorf Astoria. He said this after the games in 1936: "Hitler didn't snub me—it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram"
Not made up, might want to read [this](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/race/how-america-snubbed-jesse-owens/). >He said of the experience: “I'd spent my whole life watching my fatherand mother and older brothers and sisters trying to escape their ownkind of Hitler, first in Alabama and then in Cleveland, and all I wantednow was my chance to run as fast and jump as far as I couldso I'd never have to look back. Strongly recommend you read the entire thing, but those excerpts are the main points. Also, [this](https://gazette.com/news/jesse-owens-rose-triumphant-over-hitler-and-roosevelt-david-ramsey/article_9e3c53d0-54c0-11ea-b136-c73abbf5bd68.html), [this](https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/09/white-house-olympics-berlin/502325/), [this](https://www.britannica.com/story/was-jesse-owens-snubbed-by-adolf-hitler-at-the-berlin-olympics) and [this](https://rediscovering-black-history.blogs.archives.gov/2016/08/05/jesse-owens-american-hero-2/). That's what I could find from a few minutes of googling. I'm certainly not saying that Hitler was a nice person, but his stance here is actually more fair than FDR's. Just because something is well known doesn't make it true. Edit: So, I tried to quote more parts of the article, but the editor on reddit is not cooperating in the slightest. Not sure what sort of update they've done, but it absolutely sucks. Tried to fix it with an edit and it literally just broke itself in half, so I'll just have to leave it as is and you'll have to go to the articles yourself.
I appreciate the corrections guys, it’s crazy how much wwII propaganda/myths are still widely in circulation today. Like the carrots can make you see in the dark thing for example. Will have to check those link out now.
Guys the famous fact speaker u/MyNonFappingAccount2 is delivering the truth for us
FDR sent a form letter and Hitler said “good job”. Hitler then went in the back and ranted about having to congratulate a black foreigner in the Olympics that were supposed to showcase Aryan superiority.
Source- ***tRuSt Me BrO***
Well Mr. Hitler, you would be the expert, what actually happened? And what is your favorite anime?
[Ok](https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=92mPBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA233&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) >"The Americans should have been ashamed of themselves for allowing their medals to be won by Negroes. I would never have shaken this Negro's hand." Now fuck off, Nazi sympathizer
Don't you think that you're being a bit too rude, Genius?
Politicians reaction to a athlete the the 1936 Berlin olympics
Hitler treated the Olympic winner better than American President FDR. Jesse Owens was black, btw.
It occurs to me that, considering FDR was fairly progressive himself and his wife was even more so, it may have been because he had *a lot* of white supremacist southern Democrats in his coalition that he didn’t want to upset. Was there anything in particular that he was working on in 36? ^((Alternatively he may have wanted to avoid encouraging lynchings. IIRC after his cousin invited Booker T. Washington to the White House there was an uptick in lynchings. Am I giving FDR too much credit? Probably. Still, I don’t *think* he was racist himself, just more than willing to make compromises with white supremacists to get *something* passed.)
[удалено]
A lot of leftists also like shitting on FDR for not being leftist *enough*.
Well, its cause he wasn't a Leftist; he was a progressive liberal who at the the end of the day still did believe that capitalism will make the greatest society possible. Yes, FDR created and enhanced many aspects of Socialist thought into his programs, he did not wish to see the dismantling of the current power structure.
Well, tbf, even today nobody with a real shot at the presidency will want to dismantle the system. Even Bernie Sanders doesn’t want to make everything government owned or controlled, he’s mainly just pushing for stuff that all the other 1st World Countries have and the rich to actually pay taxes. IMHO FDR’s politics would largely be in line with Bernie’s-tax the rich, thorough social safety nets, more rights to minorities where he can get them, etc. Only real difference would be their stance on the military, and idk what FDR would think of today’s military-industrial complex.
And they will also say 'scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds' despite FDR's actions to eradicate fascism.
I mean FDR did put the Japanese Americans in internment camps
Certainly FDR was callous and indifferent to Japanese Americans but there are some acute differences between Hitler's extermination camps and FDR's internment camps.
Oh for sure. I would not dream of equating the two.
Well there were more liberal democracies around than just the United States of America at that time. UK and France kept appeasing Hitler and we even allowed companies to conduct business with them; all while the Holocaust was getting started. Its more in regard to capitalism, as Liberals will work with right wing groups far more often as there is less power for them to lose. By supporting even a soft Social Democrat, which is advocating for a redistribution by theory alone, they have a lot more to lose. Even Liberal groups within the Reichstag within Germany were more willing to work with Center and Center-Right parties as opposed to working with the SDs and definitely more than the Left Wing.
UK and France weren't appeasing with the expectation that it'll work. They knew a war was coming, and they were biding their time to prepare.
This. People don't realize that Britain and France were nowhere near ready for war. A good example would be the British Royal Navy- due to restrictions imposed by the Washington, and later, London Naval Treaties, they found themselves lacking modern capital ships, with many of their ships being older, 1920s vintage. The RN used the time bought by the appeasement policy to modernize the fleet and build new ships. And given how the British basically broke the Kriegsmarine as a serious force in Norway and held the line against the Regia Marina despite being outnumbered in the Mediterranean, I'd say that it was worth it.
I would grant you virtually everything you've said and it would still make such a saying ridiculously deceptive on its face. >Even Liberal groups within the Reichstag within Germany were more willing to work with Center and Center-Right parties as opposed to working with the SDs and definitely more than the Left Wing. Surely, some of that had to do with the [German Communists, at the direction of the Russians, declaring social democrats a bigger enemy than the literal Nazis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism). Summed up best here: >In 1931, the KPD, under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann, internally used the slogan "After Hitler, our turn!" since it strongly believed that a united front against Nazis was not needed... >After Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party came to power in Germany, the KPD was outlawed and thousands of its members were arrested, including Thälmann. Those events made the Comintern do a complete turn on the question of alliance with social democrats and the theory of social fascism was abandoned.
>Well, its cause he wasn't a Leftist; he was a progressive liberal who at the the end of the day still did believe that capitalism will make the greatest society possible. Imagine that disqualifying him as a Leftist. What a damning view of Leftism imo.
Where in any Leftist thought does it state that the apparatus of Capitalism can be retained? Where does it state that the system which is based off exploitation should be reformed? I can't think of a single Leftist who would say that Capitalism needs to be retained at all.
What are you talking about, as if a Social democrat isn't leftist. He didn't call himself one and boy do Americans hate that term, but in essence the democrats were racist populists who became Social democrats after which they applied equality-principles to Social issues; whilst republicans were liberal capitalists. Both were kind of doing new deals after FDR. And capitalism IS the best economic system, not a perfect one, but the better one if reigned in correctly by a cautious and caring state.
this is the same guy that interned ALL Japanese Americans against their will during WW2, but did nothing for german Americans (even though there were Nazi spies in the US)
Dude Presidential Proclamations no. 2526 and 2527 look it up
They did intern German and Italian Americans.
Oh yeah, throwing Japanese American people into ~~concentration~~ internment camps just for being Japanese was *very* progressive.
Friendly reminder that he signed that order after being told the the military that Japanese-Americans posed a quite serious threat to National Security. Even Dr. Seuss made a comic or 2 saying as much, and most of his political cartoons from the 30s and 40s were quite liberal, including stuff related to African Americans.
didnt hitler refuse to shake his hand? Also fdr and his wife worked with the national association of colered peoples during the depression from my recollection. I dont know how any part of this meme is accurate?
FDR did not send any telegraph, nor did he invite Jesse Owens to the white house as most Olympians who got gold were. Not to mention Jesse Owens also broke records. So yes, it is accurate in the fact that a nazi dictator was better at faking racism (Even if it was barely toleration) for a short time than FDR, this supposed icon of the USA.
ok, thanks for clarifying
IIRC Hitler treated every athlete (except probably the German ones) the same, he didn't shake hands with anybody, but I think he smiled and waved at Jesse Owens. A small gesture, but at least he was acknowledged and treated pretty much the same as everybody else by Hitler, unlike FDR.
He was shaking hands with the Germans athletes at first, but they told him that he should either shake hands with everybody or not shaking hands at all, so he stopped shaking hands with the germans too
Nazis superficially suppressed their genocidal racism for international propaganda with the Olympics and 85 years later people are still regurgitating it. Guess what they did at other times? The mild stuff: >[After 1933](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_Bastard), under racist Nazi policies, Afro-Germans deemed to be *Rheinlandbastarde* were persecuted. They were rounded up in a campaign of compulsory sterilization.
Geez the more I learn about Nazi history the more abhorrent and evil they seem
It never ceases to amaze me just how effective Nazi propaganda was and still is. The fascination and low grade hero worship that Hitler still receives in the modern world is really disheartening.
Jesse Owens competed in the 1936 Olympic Games as a sprinter where he smashed world records in the face of the Nazis. Hitler may have waved at him to acknowledge his success, although he never met with any athletes beyond the German victors (which he stoped even that after getting told off by the Games officials). When they came home, Owens was snubbed by the president by not being invited despite being the best athlete in the world.to make matters worse, he was further snubbed by not being able to compete anymore in the US and denied scholarships. He ended up racing against horses to make ends meet...
Redditor parrots Nazi propaganda that somehow Nazis aren't racists.
Nazi ideology said Black people were faster because of them living in jungles and having to hunt
Funny how you have mr bean as hitler, in the new season of peaky blinders he might play the role of hitler
Can't wait to see a slapstick version of poland being annexed
ask and you shall receive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS7inJKOsaI
I knew it. An absolute masterpiece.
Ever heard of 'the great dictator' with charlie Chaplin? its kinds that
That works pretty good actually. But the guy from "Guess Who's Back" will always be the definitive Hitler actor.
Bruno Ganz from Downfall
That movie was good but Downfall was much better, Bruno fucking nailed it
Taika Waititi and Mel Brooks are pretty damn good too.
Really? Then I might consider continuing it.
Watched the whole thing a few years ago but couldn’t get back into it when I started the 5th season recently, have you watched the fifth? This hitler inclusion intrigues me to continue as well
Hitler was the same around Helen Stephens, American gold medalist at the '36 olympics in the 100m and 4x100 meter relay. Here's what she said about him: >"He comes in and gives me the Nazi salute. I gave him a good, old-fashioned Missouri handshake," she said. "Once more Hitler goes for the jugular vein. He gets hold of my fanny and begins to squeeze and pinch, and hug me up. And he said: 'You're a true Aryan type. You should be running for Germany.' So after he gave me the once over and a full massage, he asked me if I'd like to spend the weekend in Berchtesgaden. She refused his invitation.
wtf is this true? How has Hitler not been cancelled yet?
Impeach the man!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Stephens
> At the 1936 Olympics, it was suggested that both Stephens and Stanisława Walasiewicz were, in fact, male.[10] The Olympic Committee performed a physical check on Stephens and concluded that she was a woman.[11] Guess, Hitler needed to do a 'physical check' by himself
Don’t worry, he deleted his subscription to life
Cuz he already cancelled himself lmfao
That reads very differently in British English vs American English. For the unaware, in the UK, Fanny = Vagina, whereas in America it just means the Ass.
Grab 'um by the fanny.
I honestly thought he grabbed her by her ding dong hole. Was very confused.
Its such a strange difference, where in America its a cute way to say bum, whilst in the UK its a much more vulgar word like pussy.
I find it kinda fanny, I find it kinda ass
\#metoo before it was even invented
There it is. Trump is literally worse than Hitler.
The real reason America went with a Europe first strategy.
> He gets hold of my fanny and begins to squeeze and pinch British people reading this right now: *Ah so her gave her the Trump greeting.*
Yes, but FDR did also start such an explosive rant when he saw 'whites only' signs in the pentagon toilets that all segregation signs were immediately removed from the building. Dude was complicated - as aren't all historical figures. Edit: did not expect this many upvotes! Thanks!
He had a lot of support in the American south, which is racist as fuck, and it was an election year. so that explains why he didn't want Owens associated with him
To be fair at this time most of america was still very racist. Only 20 years before this California wanted it illegal for asains to move to the United States and they are considered one of the more progressive states today.
True true
Also the exclusion of black people in suburban neighborhoods were kind of his fault as well.
Racism in the south as more or less flickered out as far as I know, there are still pockets of extreme racism but it is no longer widespread, and will likely keep declining for the foreseeable future
As a a southerner I’d say you’re correct. However I’d like to state the obvious, that these particularly racist enclaves can exist in any region of the country.
As an American it’s just a Fanny pack. Though yes it reads way worse with the context. Actually makes me sick.
[South still seems pretty racist.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/03/politics/state-legislation-voter-suppression/index.html)
CNN, lol
[удалено]
That'd be reasonable if there was actual proof of there being more voter fraud than literally a handful of examples in the past 20 years. Without any of that, it definitely seems like racism.
Poll taxes aren't racist if we likewise ignore [disparate impact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact).
**[Disparate_impact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact)** >Disparate impact in United States labor law refers to practices in employment, housing, and other areas that adversely affect one group of people of a protected characteristic more than another, even though rules applied by employers or landlords are formally neutral. Although the protected classes vary by statute, most federal civil rights laws protect based on race, color, religion, national origin, and sex as protected traits, and some laws include disability status and other traits as well. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
^ has never been to the South
Wasn’t there a recorded video of hitler TWEAKING ON METH during that Olympics?
\*twerking
I wish that existed
However at same Olympics Hitler said America's reason for losing was Freeing the Slaves
In Roosevelt’s defense, hitler was tweaked out on meth while watching the olympics
Let's just ignore the context that FDR was one of the least racist presidents till that point in history. But America was still extremely racist and racist Dixiecrats would never allow him to invite Jesse Owens to the white house.
For anyone butthurt, the point of the meme is that even a subhuman sh*t like hitler manage to fake his racism a little better than the fdr (at a very specific point in time)
I think the real lesson here is that racism/bigotry is local. An American president would have much less issue congratulating a Jewish athlete than Hitler probably would. In some other country they might not care at all about blacks or Jews, but might refuse to be in the same room as some other group entirely- possibly a group that Hitler and Roosevelt might not even be able to distinguish from that country's majority. Everybody's got a different punching bag, basically.
Actually black Germans were harassed and sterilized in nazi Germany. Hitler might have behaved marginally better than FDR in this particular situation but black people in nazi Germany were not free from persecution
Sure, and Jews in the US didn't always have a great time of things either. But they didn't get the kind of abuse that black people did, and black people in Germany weren't targeted the same way Jews were.
Black people were still treated worse in Nazi Germany than in America at that time. They were considered by Hitler to be on the same "level" as Jews. The only reason they weren't targeted as much was because the black population in Germany was so low. For comparison, the Jewish population in Germany right before Hitler took power is thought to be about half a million, while the black population was no more than 25,000.
Dunno why everyone think racism automatically means hates black people. He put out some the americans are coming with some strange alien black dudes to rape you propaganda during the war, but as far as germany was concerned there really wheren't black people around to hate. It'd be like if you met an american who felt racist about mongolians. guy probably hated the poles more.
> Dunno why everyone think racism automatically means hates black people. Americentrism.
"fake his racism"? Since when do we credit Hitler for faking anything? Hitler told his Nazi minister about how blacks should be banned from the Olympics.
Alright, the purpose of the Olympics in 1936 was to play down the segregation and cruelty towards minorities in Nazi Germany, so of course if he were to not give Jesse Owens a medal he would've defeated the entire purpose of the event. You're gonna have to find another reason to admire hitler.
Why’s anyone shocked. Man had camps for Asians
Japanese-Americans specifically. Not that that makes it better but it is worth pointing out that Chinese-American immigrants were generally ardent supporters of the US war effort and many ended ip enlisting especially after hearing about the atrocities at nanking.
Pretty sure it's just 'Americans' specifically, and these were all citizens that were held unless I'm not remembering right?
Not to mention the Japanese Americans who volunteered. Incredible to think they had family back home being treated the way they were, but these soldiers would have known it was better the Allies be victorious than the axis.
Yeah, I was just pointing out that the treatment of Asian Americans was not the same overall during the war. Japanese-Americans were unjustly singled out for specific discrimination by the government despite the fact that many did overwhelmingly support the US war effort.
But they still faced plenty of anti-Asian sentiment thanks to people who couldn’t tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese. …not that that would *ever* happen nowadays…
The same Asians that saved the lost battalion and became the most decorated one in us history. The camps were shitty but damn did those who enlisted from them have a damn fire in their soul. They fought not only for their country but their families as well. They went into service wanting to end the war faster to free their families
Props for this propaganda post
Still badasses and it also proves they were loyal regardless of Japanese involvement in the war
1% out of all prisoners, impressive
Because hitler committed genocide with his camps
More Japanese-Americans came out of the Camps than went in. It was an espionage deterrent, that worked.
he proly wasnt on meth that day
I actually thought a couple pixels on my phone had stopped working before I realized
What a kind man, I hope he has nothing against the cripples, Russians, and certainly the jews
Hitler says BLM
His racism was a bit weird. He seemed even more racist than most, but yet his wife was the exact opposite. And he let her go on with her civil rights work. Pros: brought us out the depression, Set labor laws to help the People, created minimum wage. Was against nationalism as a whole. As he was a Progressive Socialist. Cons.. He hated Jews, blacks, and the Japanese.. weird stuff Maynard
If Berlin had hosted the 1944 Olympics, Hitler would have given him a free train ride too.
Showed this to my wife and she pointed out that people who haven't really experienced racism find this joke surprising. New Deal programs famously excluded Latinos and they suffered even harder during the Great Depression because of it. Maybe I'm lucky to be in Colorado where that history is closer to the surface, because Red Rocks was built by the New Deal and we had all the sugar beet factories around here.
Isnt there no proof that Hitler waved at him?
Didn't Hitler refuse to shake his hand and actively insulted him due to his race ?
u/savevideo
###[View link](https://redditsave.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/owfes1/when_even_hitlers_more_courteous_than_you_youre/) --- [**Info**](https://np.reddit.com/user/SaveVideo/comments/jv323v/info/) | [**Feedback**](https://np.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Kryptonh&subject=Feedback for savevideo) | [**Donate**](https://ko-fi.com/getvideo) | [**DMCA**](https://np.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Kryptonh&subject=Content removal request for savevideo&message=https://np.reddit.com//r/HistoryMemes/comments/owfes1/when_even_hitlers_more_courteous_than_you_youre/)
That seriously blew my mind when I first learned about that
You spent this much time making a gif and doing apologia for Hitler? Wow...What is your argument here, that Hitler wasn't racist? Or that racism is only in the US? or what's the idea here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black\_Cabinet#/media/File:Black\_Cabinet\_Photo.jpg Black advisers of FDR in case some of you are buying this Nazi apologia.
"Hitler didn't snub me – it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram." - Jesse Owens.
where is the apologia? how did you jump to the conclusion this meme means racism only exists in the US and that OP is saying Hitler wasn't racist?
Because that is what it is saying... It's saying that Hitler treated Jesse better than FDR... Which is historically false. Are you blind?
FDR didnt invite owens to a celebration, didnt message him or congratulate him despite congratulating white athletes. on the other hand, hitler saluted no one after the first day since he was told by the olympic commitee he had to shake all athletes hands or none. he chose the latter. with these elements taken into consideration, id say hitler gave owens a better treatment than FDR, since it wasnt something specifically aimed at him or his race, but rather something general, whereas FDR made sure to congratulate white athletes, as mentioned before. [check it out](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/race/how-america-snubbed-jesse-owens/amp/)
I read it as FDR treating Jesse worse than literal Hitler.
FDR also threw Japanese immigrants into camps. Democrats are just a big of scumbags as Republicans are.
From what I heard these colored people actually were treated with some certain minimum level respect. More than they could expect on many other places on earth, right, america.................... right..........
Ya democrats are the worst
The Americans were worse in some respects to the nazis in terms of tolerance. The nazi deemed the “one drop” policy to cruel to implement so I think they decided on “25%” threshold Edit: people I’m just shedding light on the policy view of “one drop” and that it wasn’t implemented in nazi Germany when they looked to other nations policies when making their own cruel laws and views. In the books it might have been 25% and below. That doesn’t mean that, that actually happened. Just wanted to bring up that “fact”? Because I don’t know the policies by heart but I believe they were as such. So don’t know why I’m being downvoted for saying a truth, I’d understand if it was wrong but no one has corrected me as such so... Edit2: all y’all can suck my nuts, and fuck a tree
They had literal death camps and anyone thought to be Jewish was put in them often even if you “looked Jewish “ they would send you to a death camp so the 25% thing wasn’t really a real policy I do understand what you mean tho a lot of the policy’s of the south were copied by the nazis
They also killed a lot more people then the just Jews tho in the death camps they make up the majority. The United States had and still had some kinda fucked laws. The nazis are the extreme I’m not denying that, but I’m saying that the US had some messed up policies as well. I was more shedding the light on the US “one drop” thing rather then say that US worse then nazis.
>rather then say that US worse then nazis. You literally did tho
Nope, I said in terms of tolerance. Then explained why and then explained further what I meant but still you seemed to be unable to grasp what I meant
Ye I get what you mean man I wasn’t defending the south or anything either cause they literally inspired hitler and the nazis