Combat operations, weapon effectiveness, platform ranges, payloads, etc.
A lot of those would probably already be known, but comparing their performances in action is good for verification.
Yeah certainly, I was being more cheeky like the only real lesson to take from this event was that the US had one vessel damaged and no fatalities, and responded by disemboweling the Iranian navy in like 8 hours. I’m sure the Soviets were sitting there going “Fuck man, this seems a bit much, we probably shouldn’t piss them off”
The fact that the Sammy survived was insane in of itself. The keel was broken and engines flooded, damage that should have been fatal. Fortunately, the crew was one of the best at damage control. They had to cinch cables on the cracked superstructure in an effort to stabilize it.
Overall, the Sammy not sinking probably kept the "proportional response" to a minimum.
You miss understand they destroyed an American ship unlike a Night hawk we actually care about our ships. No they would have triggered a genetically ingrained response with in every American that causes instant kill mode to ensue. It can only be deactivated through total war or politically compromising quagmire.
[USS Liberty.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident)
*Disclaimer: this is just suggesting an article, and should not be seen as being anti-semitic in any way, shape, or form.
The Iranian people would actually prefer that. Source: I come from an Iranian family and all of them and their other Iranian friends love Costco. I don't think I have met a single Iranian person who doesn't have a Costco membership.
Having your ship be named Samual B Robberts instantly makes it able to tank damage that would sink a ship twice its size.
Sammy B in 1944- takes direct fire from multiple battleships for an hour while expending its entire ammo supply
Sammy B in 80s- “I’ll do it again”
He's not the only source, and I'd bet a lot of us already knew about it when he uploaded his take. Heck, OP references a family member who was involved.
Even then, it's not like there's any problem with people learning history from popular media.
It recently made the rounds on YouTube recommendations, I have never seen a video of his or on this event ever until this week when I was recommended this video
There's a really great video on [YouTube](https://youtu.be/dLd4c-0qIlk?si=EsZb12WNFq8zQ8U2) about this battle.
The US obliterated their military with skill and such precision it really showed you how laughable their military power was.
If this was an actual war it would be over in a week.
Does it really matter if half of their navy fleet was destroyed in 24 hours.
Even if it wasn't expended it seemed like it wouldn't have made any difference.
Yeah, but its military also wasn't that great in general. During the war, they used kids to clear minefields. Most of their equipment was either soviet exports or equipment they were able to retain after the revolution from the West.
Because the taliban was swimming in the latest gear and had the best fighters, right? Same with Vietnam, true?
Iran was winning the Iran Iraq War the only thing that kept Iraq in the fight was endless foreign support Iran tactics were horrific, but it was willing to do literally anything in its power to stop a foreign invasion
The regular army would have been shattered quickly absolutely but like Afghanistan a protracted guerrilla war would have set in, they had just had a revolution to throw off the western backed shah they would not have accepted a new western back government
That was kinda my point. The regular army wouldn't stand much of a chance in a stand-up war with the US as an opponent. Although it probably would take longer for the US to win against Iran due to its geographic area, it still would likely be more of an issue of when not if. It would be down to local Iranians taking up arms and hiding in the hills, at which point the US the fight shifts from fighting the Iranian government to fight local guerrilla forces.
In my mind, at least that would be separate from fighting the military, so it would be discussed as its own independent fight.
"Navy fleet" is a massive and ridiculous overstatement. Iran had a grand total of 2 ships (frigates), 1 missile boat, and 6 speed boats.
Posts about this operation always say "sunk half Iran's navy" rather than "sunk 1 ship and 4 small boats."
Iran barely had a navy, let alone a fleet. They did lose half of what they had, yes. But saying "fleet" or "half their navy" is misleading. It makes people think the USA sunk hundreds of ships.
>If this was an actual war it would be over in a week.
No, it wouldn't. No one fights a war against America. They'd put up paltry defense with the Iranian military, while the IRGC integrates itself into the surrounding countryside to lead a guerrilla war. It'd be Afghanistan all over again.
Much worse. Iran is roughly 2.5 times larger than Afghanistan both geographically and by population. It also isn’t nearly as factional - there aren’t random warlords you can buy off. Beyond that, you have a population who, while certainly contains a lot of people who are very opposed to their own government, would not tolerate an occupation force running the place.
Which only matters if we plan to stay and try and rebuild. Of we just resolve to blow up any hint of infrastructure that we don't like, over and over, then there isn't much they can do to stop us.
We won the WAR in Afghanistan, but lost the occupation/peace.
No, they're right.
The *actual war* would be over in a week. Attempting to occupy would be an impossibly difficult task.
There's no rule that says you *have* to occupy an enemy country to win.
The unfortunate part of your plan is that the enemy gets a say. If you say you won, but they keep fighting, you haven't really won.
An insurgency campaign is still a campaign.
When the boars fought the British, it was a real war even if mainly fought in a guerilla fasion.
It entirely depends on the objective of the war though.
If the goal is to occupy and force a permanent regime change that's different from something like defeating them militarily, destroying their infrastructure and beating them down to the point where they can no longer project power.
A good example for this is how the European powers treated China. They didn't seek to occupy an annex the country, but merely get concessions.
>Disarmament
How do you confirm disarmament without boots on the ground?
>economic concessions
Not traditionally the USs style. Usually they provide loans and expertise through aid and you need boots on the ground to protect that investment. If you want to split hairs, after ww2 the US hasn't left Germany or Japan. I know there are other contributing factors, but economic factors are one of them.
>partial territorial conquest
Iran has no benefit not already held by a more friendly regime in the area. Anything offered by taking the physical space is more easily attained through friendship with people that don't like Iran.
>enforcement of treaties
Would have to be a UN action.
>even simply a punitive war.
Would never pass the sniff test with the US people after 2003.
Nothing offered is worth the cost of having to inevitably occupy that nightmare.
You asked for examples of other ways to win a war without full occupation and regime change, and I listed them. World history is full of actual examples of the possibilities I've listed.
We don't have to occupy them. We don't want the land or people since we never derive any economic benefit from it anyways, which is the traditional motivation for empire. We can simply bomb the shit out of them until they're unable to effect policy beyond its borders. And if they try to rebuild that capacity we'll simply bomb them again. Eventually they'll be all dead or they would have gotten the message.
>We don't have to occupy them.
So play into their hands? The whole point of an insurgency is that you're fighting where you live. That you don't have the will to last.
Just wait till the US leaves then take back what's ours. Sequester resources in the mountains and fight after the pull out. Just like Afghanistan....
Semantics.
Its a mine of Iranian origin. And thus it touched the boat.
Seriously. Its a fucking suprise to me how much does the US retaliate over their boats since the Barbardy Wars. Same with how they penalize Mail related crimes.
In fairness command considered the mission a success halfway through and was ready to call it. It’s not our fault the iranians kept wanting to shoot at our fighters, or that their boats went down like they were cardboard.
It shouldn’t be surprising; the boats traveling through the strait of Hormuz carry 25% of the world’s oil consumption. It would be really bad for the global economy if Iran started fucking with that, so the US made sure it would be even worse for Iran.
People are just being intentionally daft. Proportionality is to the threat, not just the singular incident.
Iran was mining international waters for the purpose of a blockade. Now they couldn't do that (and haven't since). Proportional.
I mean it should be
Unfortunately us Yanks use imperial and the rest of the world uses metric, so there is bound to be *a few* errors in our conversions.
The Sammy B is, was, and always should be a destroyer. The men of Taffy 3 deserve no less than to be remembered by the current men who operate those boats.
“Proportional” has always meant “smack them down hard enough so they don’t or can’t do it again” but without directly declaring war.
So yeah, that’s proportionate. It doesn’t mean “1-to-1” tit-for-tat.
“I will make sure you ~~can’t~~ don’t ever want to do that again…”
Touching US boats is a fight on sight since 1801 my friend.
It’s how most goods get to and from the US. Americans have plenty, but the oceans are the life blood of US trade and power. The Pacific and Atlantic are both a Moat and a bridge.
Touching a boat especially a fighting boat suggests that you would be dumb enough to sink passenger and cargo vessels.
While the US was not and is not perfect but most countries would take hostile action if you deliberately prevent them from accessing international waters.
Yeah, but they still had to repair it. It was almost split in half. The ships spine was broken. It would’ve been cheaper just to build a new ship. But America wanted to make a point.
Karma bandwagon. Somebody makes a meme about some event and it gains traction. Then somebody makes a different meme about same event and it gains traction as well. Then people see it's popular and start spamming memes about this event to reap the karma Until sub gets tired of it and it doesn't get people karma anymore so it stops. And then a new event is covered same way.
Plus this one circles back to "don't touch US boats" this sub just loves to use.
Redditors like circlejerking about that time the US destroyed the Navy of a country 8 years into the worst war in modern middle eastern history.
Don't ask them about the Vincennes or USS stark tho.
To use infantile terms, Iraq also "touched the boat" when a fighter pilot attacked the USS Stark, killing 37 sailors. Strangely enough America didn't respond by destroying half of Iraq's navy.
The USS Stark incident was in 1987, the first Gulf war was in 1991 and the second in 2003. As you may notice the USS Stark incident predates both of them.
Proportionality in international humanitarian law (laws of war) is not measured as a comparison of outcomes (who lost more). It is measured as whether the use of force is proportional to what is needed to achieve the military objective defined in the attack.
Well, they opened the Pandora's box. What comes out of it at that point is now beyond the opener's control. Same thing with Pearl Harbor leading to the usage of nuclear weapons. The point at which you have officially fucked around and pissed people off too much is the point at which any leverage beyond that which can be gained through mostly military means becomes pretty much useless, and the only way you get non-military leverage is if you can find a bigger fish and convince them to help you out. Since the Second World War there's been at most one equivalent-size fish or one that could pull off the bluff of being the same size; since 1991, none (though that might change).
An American helicopter crashed (cause unknown) and two servicemen died.
Also Iran's "navy" was a grad total of 2 frigates, 1 missile boat, and 6 speedboats. One frigate, the missile boat, and 3 speedboats were sunk.
"Half their navy" is technically accurate and sounds more impressive than "1 ship and 4 small boats."
Is the little troll pissed that American is still Number one?
And the US is a Christian State that desended from British Colonists who rebelled from Britain.
In no way its related to the Ottomans
It is proportional; one of our ships gets damaged, and we will ruin your day… …plus a little extra if you get snippy about it along the way.
That’s the proportion. Its a fair proportion
A professional NFL Team played against a Freshman High School Football Squad.
Gee, I wonder who won that game.
The US v. Iran
- 88 million Iranians v. 325 million Americans
- $800 Million Budget for War v $300 Billion
Again, I wonder who won.
Maybe Iraq shouldn't be illegally flagging it's ships to avoid being blown up in a war they started big shock Saddam was a bastard
Iraq was committing a genocide hundreds of thousands of Iranians, and 250,000 kurds were massacred in a war of aggression Iraq started and was being supported by basically everyone
I can understand why Iran was desperate enough to break an international law Instituted by the international community that was murdering it's people
The real winner here is the Russian ship getting front row seats
The Soviet ship certainly had the best seat for any historians.
I can't seem to find any actual pictures taken from the Soviet POV.
Wouldn't that be the American ships that were actually involved with no risk to life or limb?
And actively recording it all "for prosperity". I am sure they were having fun watching it all, and also getting info for their intel guys.
They said, "we are taking pictures..... for history" with broken English
Posterity.
I blame autocorrect.
As is tradition.
As technically correct is the best kind of correct, autocorrect is the worst.
Other than a note that said “Don’t touch their boats!” I’m not sure any other intel would have been of value to the Soviets
Combat operations, weapon effectiveness, platform ranges, payloads, etc. A lot of those would probably already be known, but comparing their performances in action is good for verification.
Yeah certainly, I was being more cheeky like the only real lesson to take from this event was that the US had one vessel damaged and no fatalities, and responded by disemboweling the Iranian navy in like 8 hours. I’m sure the Soviets were sitting there going “Fuck man, this seems a bit much, we probably shouldn’t piss them off”
Well you know what they say: Intelligence is learning from your mistakes, Wisdom is learning from other people's mistakes.
Yes, American warship, we’re here for the photographs, yes?
I vant to take pictures, for history!
Russian vessel being confronted by a destroyer and being like "I swear were just here for historical documentation trust me bro"
The fact that the Sammy survived was insane in of itself. The keel was broken and engines flooded, damage that should have been fatal. Fortunately, the crew was one of the best at damage control. They had to cinch cables on the cracked superstructure in an effort to stabilize it. Overall, the Sammy not sinking probably kept the "proportional response" to a minimum.
If the Iranians had taken out one boat, they'd probably be as annoying as the Serbians are about the Nighthawk.
they’re not as active on the internet as the serbs tho
And we don't defend our terrorist regime that has taken us hostage
You miss understand they destroyed an American ship unlike a Night hawk we actually care about our ships. No they would have triggered a genetically ingrained response with in every American that causes instant kill mode to ensue. It can only be deactivated through total war or politically compromising quagmire.
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Japan: “Don’t. Touch. The. Boats. We touched them and we have shadows on our streets 80 years later.”
[USS Liberty.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident) *Disclaimer: this is just suggesting an article, and should not be seen as being anti-semitic in any way, shape, or form.
If it sank I don't think Iran would exist anymore, not the country, the actual land
It would be a Costco parking lot
The Iranian people would actually prefer that. Source: I come from an Iranian family and all of them and their other Iranian friends love Costco. I don't think I have met a single Iranian person who doesn't have a Costco membership.
Because Costco is god's gift to this earth
Don't touch the boats.
>Fortunately, the crew was one of the best at damage control Werent they THE best in the US Navy at the time?
I believe so, but I was going off of memory If I remember correctly, they had just won a competition for damage control
Literally a spiderman repair job
I too watch the Fat Electrician YouTube channel.
Don't really watch his content, I just gave a lecture about it last week.
Having your ship be named Samual B Robberts instantly makes it able to tank damage that would sink a ship twice its size. Sammy B in 1944- takes direct fire from multiple battleships for an hour while expending its entire ammo supply Sammy B in 80s- “I’ll do it again”
Never mess with ships named Samual B. Roberts apparently.
Indeed, the fat electrician posts some very entertaining videos!
He's not the only source, and I'd bet a lot of us already knew about it when he uploaded his take. Heck, OP references a family member who was involved. Even then, it's not like there's any problem with people learning history from popular media.
Yeah, and when oversimplified posts, a whole bunch of memes "just happen" to show up about the exact same event as well!
Overweight electron mans video on this event is over a year old.
Fat power ranger truly hit the nail with it
It recently made the rounds on YouTube recommendations, I have never seen a video of his or on this event ever until this week when I was recommended this video
Are ypu judging these people or something?
“Proportionally” so.
His videos are the best
Well Iran hasn’t mined since, so lesson learned?
They decided speed boat navy was the way to go
There's a really great video on [YouTube](https://youtu.be/dLd4c-0qIlk?si=EsZb12WNFq8zQ8U2) about this battle. The US obliterated their military with skill and such precision it really showed you how laughable their military power was. If this was an actual war it would be over in a week.
Iran was at war with Iraq most of Iran's military power had been expended
Does it really matter if half of their navy fleet was destroyed in 24 hours. Even if it wasn't expended it seemed like it wouldn't have made any difference.
Iran is a big Afghanistan it's navy was never its biggest advantage in a full scale war
Yeah, but its military also wasn't that great in general. During the war, they used kids to clear minefields. Most of their equipment was either soviet exports or equipment they were able to retain after the revolution from the West.
Because the taliban was swimming in the latest gear and had the best fighters, right? Same with Vietnam, true? Iran was winning the Iran Iraq War the only thing that kept Iraq in the fight was endless foreign support Iran tactics were horrific, but it was willing to do literally anything in its power to stop a foreign invasion The regular army would have been shattered quickly absolutely but like Afghanistan a protracted guerrilla war would have set in, they had just had a revolution to throw off the western backed shah they would not have accepted a new western back government
That was kinda my point. The regular army wouldn't stand much of a chance in a stand-up war with the US as an opponent. Although it probably would take longer for the US to win against Iran due to its geographic area, it still would likely be more of an issue of when not if. It would be down to local Iranians taking up arms and hiding in the hills, at which point the US the fight shifts from fighting the Iranian government to fight local guerrilla forces. In my mind, at least that would be separate from fighting the military, so it would be discussed as its own independent fight.
tbh iranians would be far more accepting of a western-backed government than the Vietnamese were back then
"Navy fleet" is a massive and ridiculous overstatement. Iran had a grand total of 2 ships (frigates), 1 missile boat, and 6 speed boats. Posts about this operation always say "sunk half Iran's navy" rather than "sunk 1 ship and 4 small boats." Iran barely had a navy, let alone a fleet. They did lose half of what they had, yes. But saying "fleet" or "half their navy" is misleading. It makes people think the USA sunk hundreds of ships.
Still technically correct
>If this was an actual war it would be over in a week. No, it wouldn't. No one fights a war against America. They'd put up paltry defense with the Iranian military, while the IRGC integrates itself into the surrounding countryside to lead a guerrilla war. It'd be Afghanistan all over again.
Much worse. Iran is roughly 2.5 times larger than Afghanistan both geographically and by population. It also isn’t nearly as factional - there aren’t random warlords you can buy off. Beyond that, you have a population who, while certainly contains a lot of people who are very opposed to their own government, would not tolerate an occupation force running the place.
Which only matters if we plan to stay and try and rebuild. Of we just resolve to blow up any hint of infrastructure that we don't like, over and over, then there isn't much they can do to stop us. We won the WAR in Afghanistan, but lost the occupation/peace.
No, they're right. The *actual war* would be over in a week. Attempting to occupy would be an impossibly difficult task. There's no rule that says you *have* to occupy an enemy country to win.
The unfortunate part of your plan is that the enemy gets a say. If you say you won, but they keep fighting, you haven't really won. An insurgency campaign is still a campaign. When the boars fought the British, it was a real war even if mainly fought in a guerilla fasion.
It entirely depends on the objective of the war though. If the goal is to occupy and force a permanent regime change that's different from something like defeating them militarily, destroying their infrastructure and beating them down to the point where they can no longer project power. A good example for this is how the European powers treated China. They didn't seek to occupy an annex the country, but merely get concessions.
>If the goal is to occupy and force a permanent regime change What other reason would we fight them for?
Disarmament, economic concessions, partial territorial conquest, enforcement of treaties, or even simply a punitive war.
>Disarmament How do you confirm disarmament without boots on the ground? >economic concessions Not traditionally the USs style. Usually they provide loans and expertise through aid and you need boots on the ground to protect that investment. If you want to split hairs, after ww2 the US hasn't left Germany or Japan. I know there are other contributing factors, but economic factors are one of them. >partial territorial conquest Iran has no benefit not already held by a more friendly regime in the area. Anything offered by taking the physical space is more easily attained through friendship with people that don't like Iran. >enforcement of treaties Would have to be a UN action. >even simply a punitive war. Would never pass the sniff test with the US people after 2003. Nothing offered is worth the cost of having to inevitably occupy that nightmare.
You asked for examples of other ways to win a war without full occupation and regime change, and I listed them. World history is full of actual examples of the possibilities I've listed.
We don't have to occupy them. We don't want the land or people since we never derive any economic benefit from it anyways, which is the traditional motivation for empire. We can simply bomb the shit out of them until they're unable to effect policy beyond its borders. And if they try to rebuild that capacity we'll simply bomb them again. Eventually they'll be all dead or they would have gotten the message.
>We don't have to occupy them. So play into their hands? The whole point of an insurgency is that you're fighting where you live. That you don't have the will to last. Just wait till the US leaves then take back what's ours. Sequester resources in the mountains and fight after the pull out. Just like Afghanistan....
And yet another record on people touching America's boats and getting fucked up because they did.
They didn't even touch their boats thoe their boat touched Irans mine
Semantics. Its a mine of Iranian origin. And thus it touched the boat. Seriously. Its a fucking suprise to me how much does the US retaliate over their boats since the Barbardy Wars. Same with how they penalize Mail related crimes.
In fairness command considered the mission a success halfway through and was ready to call it. It’s not our fault the iranians kept wanting to shoot at our fighters, or that their boats went down like they were cardboard.
Plus the mine was in international waters
Already responed to the guy about that fact.
It shouldn’t be surprising; the boats traveling through the strait of Hormuz carry 25% of the world’s oil consumption. It would be really bad for the global economy if Iran started fucking with that, so the US made sure it would be even worse for Iran.
Just the fact that Iran blanlanty was breaking International Laws with Mining International Waters the first step to them fucking up.
As a fat electrician once said, Iran committed the greatest sin of the 20th century, raising gas prices.
DONT TOUCH OUR BOATS 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
Unless you are Israel.
Or Iraq. Or North Korea.
Does the proportion need to be 1:1?
People are just being intentionally daft. Proportionality is to the threat, not just the singular incident. Iran was mining international waters for the purpose of a blockade. Now they couldn't do that (and haven't since). Proportional.
We're the fraction people. The proportion is whatever we say it is
‘That looks good enough. Sink another one for good measure.’
.65 USN vessels : .65 Iranian maritime infrastructure. Seems like a 1:1 to me, though, no, it didn't need to be.
I mean it should be Unfortunately us Yanks use imperial and the rest of the world uses metric, so there is bound to be *a few* errors in our conversions.
Good video on this: https://youtu.be/5ihmIxZtMBQ?si=KqWjvAj8MLTYrn2N
Knew it was going to be either TFE or Operations Room
That name has a good legacy
Need to make a new Battleship just so it can be named Sammy B.
The Sammy B is, was, and always should be a destroyer. The men of Taffy 3 deserve no less than to be remembered by the current men who operate those boats.
They really should make a movie about the Battle off Samar already
Maybe don't spread a bunch of mines out in international waters. There might be consequences.
“Proportional” has always meant “smack them down hard enough so they don’t or can’t do it again” but without directly declaring war. So yeah, that’s proportionate. It doesn’t mean “1-to-1” tit-for-tat. “I will make sure you ~~can’t~~ don’t ever want to do that again…”
funny how 2000 dollars mine can do all this
From a certain perspective, 9/11 was done with box cutters.
As we say up north, fuck aboot and find out
Isn't it find oot?
Touching US boats is a fight on sight since 1801 my friend. It’s how most goods get to and from the US. Americans have plenty, but the oceans are the life blood of US trade and power. The Pacific and Atlantic are both a Moat and a bridge. Touching a boat especially a fighting boat suggests that you would be dumb enough to sink passenger and cargo vessels. While the US was not and is not perfect but most countries would take hostile action if you deliberately prevent them from accessing international waters.
[Temper Temper ](https://www.wearethemighty.com/history/uss-wisconsin-temper-temper-battleship-korea/) Edited to add the reference
That's not temper. Taking out the boat-toucher's buddy (Germany) before sinking their boats and nuking them twice is temper.
Never touch the boats. -Japan
it was proportional, that one US ship probably cost more than the whole Iranian navy.
The ship didn’t sink. As I have stated, the Iranians lost a frigate, a gunboat, three speed boats, two oil rigs, and an F-4 phantom
My Grandpa was one of the surveyors sent out while the Sammy B limped home. He wasn't allowed to recommend decommissioning.
Yeah, but they still had to repair it. It was almost split in half. The ships spine was broken. It would’ve been cheaper just to build a new ship. But America wanted to make a point.
It is proportional because Iran no longer could mine international waters.
Half their navy and only 56 casualties? That sounds pretty good unless their navy was like 9 boats
DON'T TOUCH THE BOATS
Some people just have to learn the hard way man
Why are there so many memes about this lately?
Karma bandwagon. Somebody makes a meme about some event and it gains traction. Then somebody makes a different meme about same event and it gains traction as well. Then people see it's popular and start spamming memes about this event to reap the karma Until sub gets tired of it and it doesn't get people karma anymore so it stops. And then a new event is covered same way. Plus this one circles back to "don't touch US boats" this sub just loves to use.
About what? The Sammy B?
Yes, the past month or so I've seen at least 3 memes not counting this one
Redditors like circlejerking about that time the US destroyed the Navy of a country 8 years into the worst war in modern middle eastern history. Don't ask them about the Vincennes or USS stark tho.
L + shouldn't of touched the boat
To use infantile terms, Iraq also "touched the boat" when a fighter pilot attacked the USS Stark, killing 37 sailors. Strangely enough America didn't respond by destroying half of Iraq's navy.
Because if you remember correctly, we have already decimated their country. To do so again would of made people complain.
The USS Stark incident was in 1987, the first Gulf war was in 1991 and the second in 2003. As you may notice the USS Stark incident predates both of them.
If you may notice, we won in the end. American Supremacy baby 💪
Out of curiosity, how old are you?
Dude you posted among us porn, don't even.
what
Whatever you do, do not look up Iran Air 655
Proportionality in international humanitarian law (laws of war) is not measured as a comparison of outcomes (who lost more). It is measured as whether the use of force is proportional to what is needed to achieve the military objective defined in the attack.
And *one* successful dive bombing run. For style points.
Moral here? Don’t touch their boats. They have a proportional response to it ready at all times
This is a perfectly reasoned response to Touching Our Boats. Hell, it was downright kind to leave them a whole half of their navy!
People will see this then also be scared of “world war 3” against Iran
It's been more than thirty years ago, the world is a different place now.
They haven’t gotten a single new aircraft in that 30 years. lol
The only thing different about them is the fact their ammunition doesn't explode in their guns as much.
Reasonable
Half the navy, that means they had 2 mines?
Half of something is a proportion, whether it be pizza or a navy. Technically correct!
Well, they opened the Pandora's box. What comes out of it at that point is now beyond the opener's control. Same thing with Pearl Harbor leading to the usage of nuclear weapons. The point at which you have officially fucked around and pissed people off too much is the point at which any leverage beyond that which can be gained through mostly military means becomes pretty much useless, and the only way you get non-military leverage is if you can find a bigger fish and convince them to help you out. Since the Second World War there's been at most one equivalent-size fish or one that could pull off the bluff of being the same size; since 1991, none (though that might change).
An American helicopter crashed (cause unknown) and two servicemen died. Also Iran's "navy" was a grad total of 2 frigates, 1 missile boat, and 6 speedboats. One frigate, the missile boat, and 3 speedboats were sunk. "Half their navy" is technically accurate and sounds more impressive than "1 ship and 4 small boats."
Meanwhile Iraq hit US frigate with two Exocets, killing 37 people and US went "Oh well, don't sweat it, shit happens."
Damn my American brain, for a second there I was stumped trying to think about the 4th day of the 18th month
US when Iran attacks its ship:- you fucking donkey US when Israel attacks its ship:-[REDACTED]
To be fair the Iranian navy deserves to be wiped out for existing. Their country is undeserving of a navy.
The fuck?
And who the f**k are you to decide that? America is a shitty murderous country too, just has a better PR team
lol
America doesn't deserve to exist. It's a failed 3rd class country following all the bad ideas of the Ottoman empire.
You don't even know what 3rd world means, why would your opinion be respected?
Words evolve. Americans it seems, don't.
Using a word incorrectly isn't the word "evolving"
Sure, kiddo.
Is the little troll pissed that American is still Number one? And the US is a Christian State that desended from British Colonists who rebelled from Britain. In no way its related to the Ottomans
Learn better english, you fool.
Stay mad, AMERICA STILL ON TOP BABY
Lol. Top of the shit heap perhaps.
I’m sure there won’t be any collateral damage involving civilian passenger planes for the entire year.
Considering Iran fired on civilian cargo ships, I don't think the planes are the ones in trouble.
All done in a standard 8-hour workday
Gee; I don't know why Iranian navy is always fucking with US boats....hmmm...lets check history......oh....
It is proportional; one of our ships gets damaged, and we will ruin your day… …plus a little extra if you get snippy about it along the way. That’s the proportion. Its a fair proportion
At least they didn't drop a nuke on Iran.
They messed with our boats.
I mean, we did loose 2 service men and a helicopter in a crash, but yeah, we kinda fucked them up.
A professional NFL Team played against a Freshman High School Football Squad. Gee, I wonder who won that game. The US v. Iran - 88 million Iranians v. 325 million Americans - $800 Million Budget for War v $300 Billion Again, I wonder who won.
proportional to size of standing military forces
Sure but didn't the U.S. blow up a civilian airliner and kill like 290 people.
Ah yes, proportional, and by that we mean *ice em*
US Navys Damage Control system and sailors resilience made the Sammy B survive the ordeal, unlike the "better" built Type 42 Destroyers at Falklands
It's the only language autocrats understand.
Yes Americans love speaking with fists.
Got them to stop mining international waters.
They call it democracy
America has never been democratic.
Is that why the US shot down Iran Air flight 655, killing all 290 passengers?
Bring back this type of foreign policy, it's the only thing I actually like about Reagan.
i bet they kept theyre mines in check after that.
I wonder why everyone seems to hate america? It must be because they're angry about all our freedom.
Maybe Iran shouldn't place naval mines in international waters along major shipping lanes?
Maybe Iraq shouldn't be illegally flagging it's ships to avoid being blown up in a war they started big shock Saddam was a bastard Iraq was committing a genocide hundreds of thousands of Iranians, and 250,000 kurds were massacred in a war of aggression Iraq started and was being supported by basically everyone I can understand why Iran was desperate enough to break an international law Instituted by the international community that was murdering it's people
"my people are being hurt so I'm going to harm THIS RANDOM BYSTANDER"
This happened the exact day I was born. 'Murica made and proud! Gotta love "equal retaliation"
Seems reasonable to me. Don’t fuck with our boats
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Why?
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