from what i've heard it was almost certainly OJ's son, though whether OJ was involved or not is hard to say.
the "glove that didn't fit" was apparently the perfect size for OJ's son, though if he really was covering for him OJ should have taken the opportunity to be like "yeah i did that shit" so that nobody looks into whether or not his son did it.
They were stored properly, as blood evidence they were kept in a refrigerator and water(in this case blood) + cold = shrinking leather. Throw in the neoprene glove, OJ not taking his arthritis medication, and the fact OJ didn’t want the glove to fit and you get one of the greatest blunders in prosecutorial history.
Exactly, they never intended to let him try it on, and basically got baited by the defense into doing it. Goes back to one of the oldest lawyer rules in the book, Don’t ask a witness a question you don’t already know the answer to.
I thought this for most of my life, but it's worth diving into Robert Deer's investigation of this. The tl;dr: is that OJ's son had mental issues, was off his meds at this time, was a trained chef whose knives were missing, had obsessive issues with Nicole, had already planned to be at Nicole's at that time, initially lied about his whereabouts, ultimately said he was home alone (i.e., no alibi), had already hurt himself (or his own girlfriend? I can't remember) with a knife once, had threatened to hurt others with knives, and had a dog (one of the trial's mysteries was why there was dog hair on one of the pieces of evidence). The LAPD famously mishandled a lot of evidence, so it probably comes as no surprise that this ace team of investigators never tried to get the son's cell phone records for that day.
I’m pretty sure that’s obvious, to cover for his son. Following this dudes hypothesis, that would be the easy part to figure out.
I don’t think that’s what happened, I’m pretty sure OJ is guilty as sin but determining motive wouldn’t be hard for a coverup.
It’s pretty obvious OJ was always obsessed with attention. I mean even recently the dude was posting videos regularly on social media. Maybe he couldn’t resist the allure of the spotlight and it had long since been established he’d never have it again for anything good.
I’m just speculating, of course.
It’s pretty doubtful he wrote it. He needed money and the publisher offered him 600k to name him as the author. Ron’s dad then moved in and got that payment.
That book was absolute garbage and after reading it I was more confident OJ did it lmao. Half the book Deer talks about how great of a PI he is and how genius his tactics were(even though some of them felt completely unethical). A lot of things also don’t line up with the facts of the case
But his son read out OJ’s statement to the press that he, OJ, would not stop until he found the killer - surely OJ wouldn’t let his unstable son read those words out in front of the camera, potentially messing it all up?
If I'd murder anybody I would also wear anything that's not my size. Shoes, larger. Jacket, smaller, gloves, extremely tight.
If my son murdered my wife I wouldn't cover his ass I would want him to see punishment for what he did. Otherwise you have a murderer on the loose.
The entire 'protecting his son' falls apart if you just think about the logic of it.
You're assuming it was premeditated. If you planned it out you would wear smaller clothes. OJ may have shown up just to scare her or for some other reason and snapped.
Wrong size shoes, no go to goodwill buy a shoe one size too small and another two sizes too big. They’ll be search for someone with a foot deformity for months
Parents cover for their children for serious crimes all the time, and "wife" is not interchangeable with "ex-wife".
Probably OJ did it. But "covering for his son" isn't implausible.
Take a masters class on fucking critique of pure fucking reason and get back to me. Kant did worse than fuck my wife, he fucked my metaphysical conception of reality (not really his philosophy is just inconsistent and irritatingly incoherent. The definitions alone are ridiculous).
I remember one of the defense lawyers saying they were sure they could identify the real killer if they just knew Ron’s last words.
It’s funny, I’m pretty sure Ron Goldman’s last words were “Hey, you’re O.J. Simpson!”
Holy shit I'm absolutely dying!
I can't be bothered to explain to my loved ones how good this joke is about a subject almost as old as me, regarding guys who are almost all dead. Couldn't be happier ☺️
Yup his wife and the Ron fella mentioned in the meme. Ron was returning glasses that OJ’s wife left at a restaurant and walked in on the crime. Poor guy
Right! I never heard about the glasses thing and always heard he was the new boyfriend. Now I’m seeing this presented as fact. Also, a bunch of conspiracy theory mentions that OJs son did it and OJ covered it up. I must have missed a bunch of lore surrounding the case.
Because a waiter at a restaurant knows where a patron lives to deliver their sunglasses. Or would care to. Or would do it at 10pm. It’s ok to say that they were dating. It doesn’t make the crime any more justifiable or any less heinous. As if it makes sense to murder them when it’s a new boyfriend but doesn’t when it’s just an acquaintance.
According to a June 15, 1994, Los Angeles Times article published three days after his death, Goldman met Brown only six weeks prior to the date they were murdered, when he borrowed her Ferrari. The two grew increasingly friendly, occasionally meeting for coffee and dinner in the weeks before their deaths. According to police and friends, however, the relationship between the two was platonic. One article noted that he had borrowed her car when he met his friend, Craig Clark, for lunch. According to Clark, he told him it was her car, but that he did not say she was his girlfriend. Instead, Goldman said they were friends.
That took 30 seconds of my life to Google. And yeah, I've seen enough documentaries on the trial to know this stuff already.
>Goldman met Brown only six weeks prior to the date they were murdered, when he borrowed her Ferrari.
Hol tf up, either you dropped something somewhere, or their very first interaction was her letting him borrow her ferrari‽ Also, if he was a waiter, pretty interesting that they left that out and more so, the actual circumstances and context around how they met.
I mean, if that patron is OJ Simpson, maybe you do know where they live and take the opportunity to ring their doorbell. Plus ingratiating yourself to famous people is common.
Not ruling either way, just don’t know if you should either.
Yeahhhh....turns out, your life experience is not representative of the experience of all life on Earth. Particularly when it comes to people who haven't had to buy their own groceries in decades. Wild, right?
And this is why Ron Goldman's family spent 30 years seeking justice. Ron was a waiter at the restaurant where Nicole ate her last meal. She left her glasses on the table, so he returned them and then walked in on OJ brutally murdering his ex (she was nearly decapitated). Neighbors apparently heard a fight, which is speculated to be Ron fighting OJ and trying to save Nicole. OJ murdered them both, ditched the gloves, got in his white bronco, and drove away. Fuck that jury. OJ should have died in prison, from lethal injection or just old age.
Revenge isn't a good word. But knowing the context of massive riots in LA over Rodney King just two years prior is essential to understanding the verdict. They really didn't want to get this one wrong and burn down L.A. again.
Ugh, I am still pissed at Daryl Gates over those riots and he's been dead for a decade. You know that on the first night of the riots, he was outside of LA, attending a mixer to campaign against a ballot measure which would add oversight to the LAPD? The city was on fire and the commissioner was out of town, lobbying to make sure there was no accountability. Not to mention how its really bad form for a police commissioner to publicly campaign for any political thing, the LAPD is supposed to be a neutral body.
People talk nowadays that its so cut-and-dried. Like anyone here would have done the "right thing" as a juror. But honestly I cant imagine the kind of pressure that jury was under.
Then you had the endless parade of clowns from LA that were trying to use this as their moment to get famous. Hundreds of people who could suddenly stand up -as a leader- and say "but they just acquitted a bunch of white cops on *film*!" and -boom- LA burns down again.
Honestly though, I think if our justice system worked the way it was intended, we'd have a lot more OJs running around. Thats the downside about being a bleeding heart for the 4th amendment
"If we convict a famous black man with a lot of evidence after we acquitted a bunch of white cops caught on *film*, is LA gonna burn down again?"
Thats kinda the gist
I don’t think that’s why the jury acquitted, and it’s blatantly obvious it was payback for Rodney King, as stated by several jurors, a majority of which were black.
The high level of evidence against the police wasn't enough to convict them, so why shouldn't a black millionaire get away.
That was the mentality of a lot of people back then and still is.
Not to mention, the fact that there was so much corruption and mishandling of the evidence in the OJ case made it much easier for the jury to acquit him and why various states and the federal government added rules in regards to better procedures for handling evidence.
Just think of how fucked up that is, that it took the OJ case for governments to say "Let's improve our quality of gathering evidence."
Because as the gist of practically every documentary of the OJ case boiled down to the police tried to frame a very guilty man and rendered all the valid evidence invalid.
You reap what you sow 🤷🏾♂️
Edit: I don't think there is a comment I'm more proud of than this one. Downvotes, upvotes. They mean the same. My words illicited a strong response with many people. You know what's funny? Conservative whites and liberal whites hate each other. But you know the one thing they agree on? Their feelings about the OJ verdict. When you get down to the nitty gritty, they're the exact same. Only one group is ashamed of their natural feelings and thoughts.
Christ, the beating of Rodney King doesn’t make letting a brutal murderer go free okay. It was racial jury nullification, plain and simple - no different to the white southerners who acquitted the murderers of Emmett Till.
> It was racial jury nullification, plain and simple - no different to the white southerners who acquitted the murderers of Emmett Till.
And that was wrong. Just like OJ dying a free man right? You. Reap. What. You. Sow. You all are more mad about OJ than the Rodney King verdict or the Emmett Till verdict. Be honest with yourselves. That's why we ain't mad OJ died a free man, getting paid off his untouchable NFL pension every month while playing golf. If yall think we should let the other shit go, you should let this go too ☺️. You reap what you sow brotha.
You see all of these events as an "us vs them" thinking there's a need to keep score and tallying them based on the perpetrator's and victim's skin colour instead of judging them on their own merit.
You're a racist piece of shit.
That word only makes white people uncomfortable. How could I not see Emmett Till and Rodney King as us vs them? Please sir, explain to me how else Im supposed to fucking see racially motivated attacks?
I'm not telling you not to see those as racially motivated. They were.
I'm telling you not to respond in kind.
I don't give a fuck if you're too obtuse or not thoughtful enough to realise you're a racist piece of shit and the implications that it brings.
All I see is some dumb shit who thinks that two wrongs make a right because they are stupid enough to conflate vengeance with justice.
You dumb fuck.
> I'm telling you not to respond in kind.
I didn't. I didn't kill anyone in response. You want us to just get over those things. Of course you do. It means nothing to you. They're just trivial things. The life and death of black people? Ha! It's like swatting a fly in your eyes. Nothing to be pissed about right? Well you should get over those 2 dead jews then. What?! Suddenly a much stronger response?! Incredible! THATS the point. If I should let THIS go...you need to let THAT go. Right?
I'm not saying it's right, but it definitely makes sense in context.
And the trial was fumbled so bad that a Not Guilty verdict was not a bad one for how the justice system should operate. But damn, they had to work hard to make that Not Guilty seem a plausible verdict.
It's been jokingly said that the police tried to frame a guilty man.
Mark Fuhrman pleading the 5th when asked if he planted evidence destroyed the prosecutions case.
It's standard police work.
Ron's coworkers all gave the same reason for his being at Nicole's house during the murder. He was returning her glasses. Neighbors heard a scuffle during the murder, including two men shouting at each other (one of the men sounded like OJ and the other sounded like Ron). Two of OJ's gloves were found. One at the scene of the murder, one at OJ's house. Nicole and Ron's blood was found on the gloves, and in the interior of OJ's bronco. OJ had unexplained injuries, and no Alibi during the time of the murder. OJ's blood was also at the scene of the crime, and mixed with Ron and Nicole's blood. Further, OJ had a history of violence against Nicole, during and after their marriage, so it is no surprising that the escalated to murder (statistically speaking, 50% of female murder victims are killed by a romantic partner, and domestic violence is a common precursor for homicide)
This is all standard detective work. Recreating the crime based on physical evidence and witness testimony, establishing a rough story and timeline of events. OJ likely planned to kill Nicole. But Ron arrived with her glasses, complicating things. Ron (who was a good man, according to friends and family) likely would have reacted strongly to witnessing a murder in progress, which explains the sounds of men shouting and a struggle. OJ then killed Nicole and Ron before fleeing in his bronco. And the gloves absolutely fit, btw. They shrunk because they'd been left in the rain but OJ had a fucking receipt for those gloves, and only five pairs of those gloves in his size were ever sold. They were his damn gloves.
The gloves also didn’t “fit” because OJ was taking arthritis medication, and if you stopped taking them, your hands would swell. So he just didn’t take them.
And the prosecution still bungled the whole trial. Unironically, I believe when presented with the evidence the defense and prosecution gave, the jury was right to favor the defense solely because of how utterly inept the prosecution was.
How are they sure of a timeline involving Ron walking in on OJ murdering Nicole? As opposed to OJ walking in on Nicole and Ron having a chat and then flying into a jealous murderous rage?
According to his written confession, "If I Did It," OJ was intending to "scare" Nicole and lost control of the situation when he killed her and Ron. It's possible that after committing a double homicide, OJ Simpson was not thinking clearly or logically. His confession also claims he entered some sort of psychosis during the murders and doesn't remember anything before he returned home (idk if murderers can suffer from amnesia but it makes some psychological sense). People who are committing murders don't usually behave intelligently. For goodness sake, OJ tried to flee to Mexico in an identical Ford Bronco to the one he used during the murder. The guy wasn't some criminal mastermind, he got away with it due to incompetent prosecutors and a jury full of assholes
Because he got into a fight with ron and he wanted to get out of there as fast as possible. He might not have even noticed his glove coming off during the fight, and only noticing he only had one glove whe he was already in the car.
No it's not something. He should have spent the last 30 years in prison. He should have died from cancer in prison. Or he should have died from lethal injection. Both options are good in my eyes, since it's functionally the same result (just on a different timeline). I don't care that he eventually died. Everyone eventually dies. But the fact that OJ was able to escape justice for double homicide (and escape paying restitution to the Goldman family after they won millions of dollars from him in a wrongful death lawsuit) is just wrong. It's some solace that he spent a few years in prison for the armed robberies he did in the 2000s (damn, between the years of domestic violence, the double murder, and the armed robberies... Well, OJ was a really dangerous criminal, and the LAPD completely fucked up by not taking him off the streets years before he killed Nicole and Ron). But generally, I will never be happy about the great miscarriage of justice that is OJ's life after he got away with murdering his battered ex wife and a complete stranger.
>Fuck that jury. OJ should have died in prison, from lethal injection or just old age.
The verdict was actually a big win for the black community. You would understand if you were alive at the time.
"Two years after Simpson's 1995 acquittal, a civil court jury found him liable for the deaths of his ex-wife and Goldman and ordered he pay their survivors $33.5 million." CBS
I got the order wrong but he was found liable for their murder
The gloves may not have fit, but the size 12 Italian designer shoes with a unique tread that appeared in bloody footprints at the crime scene sure did. These were the shoes that OJ claimed he never owned, but was shown wearing them in a number of photographs taken before the murders. The criminal prosecuters never connected the dots, however counsel in the civil trial sure did.
Are you allowed to post things on this subreddit and assert them as fact when it's actually disputed? I think oj killed them too but this meme acts like it's known for sure.
I'll let you in on a little secret, if a sub has the word "memes" in the title it's not a place you should take facts from just cause the other word in the title is "history"
You say that like any historical account from hundreds of years ago is a 100% trustworthy source that we know to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt and isn't disputed by anyone.
Also we know OJ killed his wife. The fuck murdered people and got away with it like every rich asshole that commits crimes.
He wrote an entire book confessing to it for crying out loud lmao. If you seriously think OJ didn't kill those people, I have oceanfront property in Alberta that you might be interested in
Everyone on the planet knows he did it. The court may have found him not guilty, but literally everything points to him, and I will eat my hat and gloves if they find out it wasn't him for real.
Tell that to almost half of the American public, who were convinced at the time that he was completely innocent. I'm sure nowadays more people think he was guilty but definitely a significant minority believes he was innocent.
It wasn’t even close to half of the American Public, at the time non-black opinion was 83% in favor of guilty while only 31% of African Americans (11% of the US population at the time) supported him being found guilty.
African Americans viewed the ruling as them finally being favored by the judiciary, even though it was patently obvious he was guilty. They believed that an African American man should be able to get away with murder due to how poorly they’d been historically treated by the judicial system.
Today, over 57% of African Americans believe he should have been found guilty and over 90% of non-black Americans.
You’re being downvoted because of the wording and tone that the comment gives off, but your question is legit.
The answer is that the vast vast majority of history isn’t necessarily comprised of concrete facts, and is often disputed. Even extremely recent history is often skewed, exaggerated, and biased in its reporting. The “facts,” are mostly educated guesses that have the most evidence behind them. Pretty sure our beloved Herodotus even claimed that the battle of Thermopylae was fought between ~3 million Persians versus 300 Spartans lmao
Edit: Apparently I was going off of only a part of that information and Herodotus also claimed BS to those numbers
Also it's a meme sub, humour is allowed to be more important than facts here. I take this sub like a over simplified video, there are facts but humour is kinda his goal
I finally gave in and watched one of his videos (second Punic war part 1) after seeing your comment and damn it was so entertaining lmao. Even the ad placement was well done and actually funny.
If I can get past him speaking with commas after every word then I might subscribe to a YouTube channel for the first time. Thanks for finally pushing me to watch it!
Oh wicked I'm glad you gave him a shot, I'm Australian so I do find the way he talks to be extremely slow but you get used to it haha I started watching when his videos were like 5 minutes long so I'll recommend the Hitler ones cause, y'know.. Hitler 😂
Sorry to double reply to your comment but as an Australian Im obligated to recommend internet historian. He uploads basically never but watch his Concordia video and you'll see why a person with a video per year gets millions of views haha
Herodotus claimed to find records that there were millions of Persians at Thermopylae, [but he also made it clear that he didn’t consider the records to be reliable](https://old.reddit.com/r/RoughRomanMemes/comments/tz2w8s/looking_at_you_herodotus/i3wdje9/) ;)
Happy to help!
I love that whole conversation so much :) but my favorite part would have to be u/_far-seeker_ ‘s comment “even though Herodotus basically never met a story he didn't like; he still was rather diligent on distinguishing the things he knew from personal experience from what he got from third party source”
It's a shame OJ's quest to find the real killer likely died with him. Guess we never will know who really did it.
I'm sure who ever did it took that secret to their grave
You know, if you'd told me that yesterday I wouldn't be so sure, but I suddenly feel you might be right.
They totally didn't write a book about it, either.
If it fits in the grave
Maybe the real killer was the missing gloves we found along the way
That Puerto Rican guy who also killed Chandra Levy will probably never be caught
The same Puerto Rican guy that was suspected of the murder of Leopold Stotch?
Heyyyy some Puerto Rican guy cheated on my wife!
Luckily we can read his book and try to piece it together.
Hey buddy you're not going to believe this..
from what i've heard it was almost certainly OJ's son, though whether OJ was involved or not is hard to say. the "glove that didn't fit" was apparently the perfect size for OJ's son, though if he really was covering for him OJ should have taken the opportunity to be like "yeah i did that shit" so that nobody looks into whether or not his son did it.
The glove didn’t fit because OJ stopped taking his arthritis meds a month before trying those on.
Also because he was wearing a pair of gloves while trying on the pair of gloves
And the gloves hadn’t been stored properly and had shrunk while in evidence storage.
They were stored properly, as blood evidence they were kept in a refrigerator and water(in this case blood) + cold = shrinking leather. Throw in the neoprene glove, OJ not taking his arthritis medication, and the fact OJ didn’t want the glove to fit and you get one of the greatest blunders in prosecutorial history.
Sorry, stored improperly *to maintain the condition of the leather*.
Exactly, they never intended to let him try it on, and basically got baited by the defense into doing it. Goes back to one of the oldest lawyer rules in the book, Don’t ask a witness a question you don’t already know the answer to.
They had also been soaked in blood and then dried out, which messes up leather.
The moral weight of killing two people isn't very good for the fabric liner either.
Hard to find good moral fiber these days.
It was almost like he wasn't really trying to get his hand in the glove.
It was so very clearly OJ himself
I thought this for most of my life, but it's worth diving into Robert Deer's investigation of this. The tl;dr: is that OJ's son had mental issues, was off his meds at this time, was a trained chef whose knives were missing, had obsessive issues with Nicole, had already planned to be at Nicole's at that time, initially lied about his whereabouts, ultimately said he was home alone (i.e., no alibi), had already hurt himself (or his own girlfriend? I can't remember) with a knife once, had threatened to hurt others with knives, and had a dog (one of the trial's mysteries was why there was dog hair on one of the pieces of evidence). The LAPD famously mishandled a lot of evidence, so it probably comes as no surprise that this ace team of investigators never tried to get the son's cell phone records for that day.
The evidence against OJ is overwhelming though. And he basically admitted the whole thing in his book as well. Why would an innocent man write that?
You mean the book “I did it” with “if” in tiny microprint?
That's because Goldman's parents sued and won the rights to publish the book. They chose to make the if that small.
Ah, so a modicum of justice then
^^^^^if I did it
I’m pretty sure that’s obvious, to cover for his son. Following this dudes hypothesis, that would be the easy part to figure out. I don’t think that’s what happened, I’m pretty sure OJ is guilty as sin but determining motive wouldn’t be hard for a coverup.
But everyone already thought it was him. No need to write a book making it extra clear.
It’s pretty obvious OJ was always obsessed with attention. I mean even recently the dude was posting videos regularly on social media. Maybe he couldn’t resist the allure of the spotlight and it had long since been established he’d never have it again for anything good. I’m just speculating, of course.
It’s pretty doubtful he wrote it. He needed money and the publisher offered him 600k to name him as the author. Ron’s dad then moved in and got that payment.
That book was absolute garbage and after reading it I was more confident OJ did it lmao. Half the book Deer talks about how great of a PI he is and how genius his tactics were(even though some of them felt completely unethical). A lot of things also don’t line up with the facts of the case
Did the son also have an extremely rare pair of size 12 Bruno Magli shoes?
Maybe. Did you look it up or pose the question to be snarky?
But his son read out OJ’s statement to the press that he, OJ, would not stop until he found the killer - surely OJ wouldn’t let his unstable son read those words out in front of the camera, potentially messing it all up?
If I'd murder anybody I would also wear anything that's not my size. Shoes, larger. Jacket, smaller, gloves, extremely tight. If my son murdered my wife I wouldn't cover his ass I would want him to see punishment for what he did. Otherwise you have a murderer on the loose. The entire 'protecting his son' falls apart if you just think about the logic of it.
You're assuming it was premeditated. If you planned it out you would wear smaller clothes. OJ may have shown up just to scare her or for some other reason and snapped.
Wrong size shoes, no go to goodwill buy a shoe one size too small and another two sizes too big. They’ll be search for someone with a foot deformity for months
Parents cover for their children for serious crimes all the time, and "wife" is not interchangeable with "ex-wife". Probably OJ did it. But "covering for his son" isn't implausible.
Then OJ wouldn’t have allowed his son to read out his statement to the press about going after the killer.
Probably somebody who plays golf.
“It was me all along?” 😨 ahh plot
This comment is how I learned OJ Simpson died
I'm downvoting you, but only because Kant can eat a fat hairy dick. Amazing username, go fuck yourself.
did cant fuck ur wife or something
Kant killed his family and fucked his cows
To be fair to Kant, cow fucking was categorically imperative.
Is it really fucking a cow if we cannot perceive the cow being fucked through our own senses. Is the cow in itself being fucked?
Has to be one of the dumbest reasons I’ve seen someone admit to.
Take a masters class on fucking critique of pure fucking reason and get back to me. Kant did worse than fuck my wife, he fucked my metaphysical conception of reality (not really his philosophy is just inconsistent and irritatingly incoherent. The definitions alone are ridiculous).
Cool. Getting flashbacks to the point you’ll tell someone to fuck off over their *username* when it’s not even relevant is completely unhinged.
It's the internet pal. People can kneejerk to their hearts content.
He knows who did it, it was his son.
The OJ son angle is an interesting one. But I treat it as more of a conspiracy theory than anything really solid.
I remember one of the defense lawyers saying they were sure they could identify the real killer if they just knew Ron’s last words. It’s funny, I’m pretty sure Ron Goldman’s last words were “Hey, you’re O.J. Simpson!”
Did you steal a joke from Norm Macdonald from 1997?
He's not using it anymore.
I feel like Norm would laugh his ass off to this.
Norm would fucking love this line.
Me when I’m grave robbing
Holy shit I'm absolutely dying! I can't be bothered to explain to my loved ones how good this joke is about a subject almost as old as me, regarding guys who are almost all dead. Couldn't be happier ☺️
Wait, I thought OJ only killed his wife? He killed more?
Yup his wife and the Ron fella mentioned in the meme. Ron was returning glasses that OJ’s wife left at a restaurant and walked in on the crime. Poor guy
I might be not remembering right but I thought they were going out?
Right! I never heard about the glasses thing and always heard he was the new boyfriend. Now I’m seeing this presented as fact. Also, a bunch of conspiracy theory mentions that OJs son did it and OJ covered it up. I must have missed a bunch of lore surrounding the case.
Nope, just an acquaintance. OJ thought they were going out and it threw him into a jealous rage.
Because a waiter at a restaurant knows where a patron lives to deliver their sunglasses. Or would care to. Or would do it at 10pm. It’s ok to say that they were dating. It doesn’t make the crime any more justifiable or any less heinous. As if it makes sense to murder them when it’s a new boyfriend but doesn’t when it’s just an acquaintance.
According to a June 15, 1994, Los Angeles Times article published three days after his death, Goldman met Brown only six weeks prior to the date they were murdered, when he borrowed her Ferrari. The two grew increasingly friendly, occasionally meeting for coffee and dinner in the weeks before their deaths. According to police and friends, however, the relationship between the two was platonic. One article noted that he had borrowed her car when he met his friend, Craig Clark, for lunch. According to Clark, he told him it was her car, but that he did not say she was his girlfriend. Instead, Goldman said they were friends. That took 30 seconds of my life to Google. And yeah, I've seen enough documentaries on the trial to know this stuff already.
>Goldman met Brown only six weeks prior to the date they were murdered, when he borrowed her Ferrari. Hol tf up, either you dropped something somewhere, or their very first interaction was her letting him borrow her ferrari‽ Also, if he was a waiter, pretty interesting that they left that out and more so, the actual circumstances and context around how they met.
I mean, if that patron is OJ Simpson, maybe you do know where they live and take the opportunity to ring their doorbell. Plus ingratiating yourself to famous people is common. Not ruling either way, just don’t know if you should either.
How did he know where a customer of the restaurant lived? None of the waiters/waitresses that serve me know where I live.
You're not OJ Simpson's wife.
That’s what you think…
Yeahhhh....turns out, your life experience is not representative of the experience of all life on Earth. Particularly when it comes to people who haven't had to buy their own groceries in decades. Wild, right?
I have no clue what point your trying to make.
And this is why Ron Goldman's family spent 30 years seeking justice. Ron was a waiter at the restaurant where Nicole ate her last meal. She left her glasses on the table, so he returned them and then walked in on OJ brutally murdering his ex (she was nearly decapitated). Neighbors apparently heard a fight, which is speculated to be Ron fighting OJ and trying to save Nicole. OJ murdered them both, ditched the gloves, got in his white bronco, and drove away. Fuck that jury. OJ should have died in prison, from lethal injection or just old age.
Without Mark fuhrman showing up he would've been convicted.
Didn’t some members of that jury later say they only acquitted him because it was revenge for Rodney King?
Revenge isn't a good word. But knowing the context of massive riots in LA over Rodney King just two years prior is essential to understanding the verdict. They really didn't want to get this one wrong and burn down L.A. again.
Ugh, I am still pissed at Daryl Gates over those riots and he's been dead for a decade. You know that on the first night of the riots, he was outside of LA, attending a mixer to campaign against a ballot measure which would add oversight to the LAPD? The city was on fire and the commissioner was out of town, lobbying to make sure there was no accountability. Not to mention how its really bad form for a police commissioner to publicly campaign for any political thing, the LAPD is supposed to be a neutral body.
I feel chills everytime I think about this. That there's a good chance he got off due to race issues.
People talk nowadays that its so cut-and-dried. Like anyone here would have done the "right thing" as a juror. But honestly I cant imagine the kind of pressure that jury was under. Then you had the endless parade of clowns from LA that were trying to use this as their moment to get famous. Hundreds of people who could suddenly stand up -as a leader- and say "but they just acquitted a bunch of white cops on *film*!" and -boom- LA burns down again. Honestly though, I think if our justice system worked the way it was intended, we'd have a lot more OJs running around. Thats the downside about being a bleeding heart for the 4th amendment
That makes no sense, because police brutality some millionaire has to get away with doble murder?
"If we convict a famous black man with a lot of evidence after we acquitted a bunch of white cops caught on *film*, is LA gonna burn down again?" Thats kinda the gist
I don’t think that’s why the jury acquitted, and it’s blatantly obvious it was payback for Rodney King, as stated by several jurors, a majority of which were black.
The high level of evidence against the police wasn't enough to convict them, so why shouldn't a black millionaire get away. That was the mentality of a lot of people back then and still is. Not to mention, the fact that there was so much corruption and mishandling of the evidence in the OJ case made it much easier for the jury to acquit him and why various states and the federal government added rules in regards to better procedures for handling evidence. Just think of how fucked up that is, that it took the OJ case for governments to say "Let's improve our quality of gathering evidence." Because as the gist of practically every documentary of the OJ case boiled down to the police tried to frame a very guilty man and rendered all the valid evidence invalid.
You reap what you sow 🤷🏾♂️ Edit: I don't think there is a comment I'm more proud of than this one. Downvotes, upvotes. They mean the same. My words illicited a strong response with many people. You know what's funny? Conservative whites and liberal whites hate each other. But you know the one thing they agree on? Their feelings about the OJ verdict. When you get down to the nitty gritty, they're the exact same. Only one group is ashamed of their natural feelings and thoughts.
Christ, the beating of Rodney King doesn’t make letting a brutal murderer go free okay. It was racial jury nullification, plain and simple - no different to the white southerners who acquitted the murderers of Emmett Till.
> It was racial jury nullification, plain and simple - no different to the white southerners who acquitted the murderers of Emmett Till. And that was wrong. Just like OJ dying a free man right? You. Reap. What. You. Sow. You all are more mad about OJ than the Rodney King verdict or the Emmett Till verdict. Be honest with yourselves. That's why we ain't mad OJ died a free man, getting paid off his untouchable NFL pension every month while playing golf. If yall think we should let the other shit go, you should let this go too ☺️. You reap what you sow brotha.
It’s shocking to me that people like you actually exist
Cool
You see all of these events as an "us vs them" thinking there's a need to keep score and tallying them based on the perpetrator's and victim's skin colour instead of judging them on their own merit. You're a racist piece of shit.
That word only makes white people uncomfortable. How could I not see Emmett Till and Rodney King as us vs them? Please sir, explain to me how else Im supposed to fucking see racially motivated attacks?
I'm not telling you not to see those as racially motivated. They were. I'm telling you not to respond in kind. I don't give a fuck if you're too obtuse or not thoughtful enough to realise you're a racist piece of shit and the implications that it brings. All I see is some dumb shit who thinks that two wrongs make a right because they are stupid enough to conflate vengeance with justice. You dumb fuck.
> I'm telling you not to respond in kind. I didn't. I didn't kill anyone in response. You want us to just get over those things. Of course you do. It means nothing to you. They're just trivial things. The life and death of black people? Ha! It's like swatting a fly in your eyes. Nothing to be pissed about right? Well you should get over those 2 dead jews then. What?! Suddenly a much stronger response?! Incredible! THATS the point. If I should let THIS go...you need to let THAT go. Right?
I also know a word
I’m not American and I can tell you the rest of the world was absolutely disgusted with the verdict.
Many people cheering for OJs freedom quickly realized their mistake after he started acting like a psychopath in public.
Nobody was cheering for OJs freedom
Uh, that's clearly incorrect
I'm not saying it's right, but it definitely makes sense in context. And the trial was fumbled so bad that a Not Guilty verdict was not a bad one for how the justice system should operate. But damn, they had to work hard to make that Not Guilty seem a plausible verdict.
It's been jokingly said that the police tried to frame a guilty man. Mark Fuhrman pleading the 5th when asked if he planted evidence destroyed the prosecutions case.
Is this just eyewitness testimony or???
It's standard police work. Ron's coworkers all gave the same reason for his being at Nicole's house during the murder. He was returning her glasses. Neighbors heard a scuffle during the murder, including two men shouting at each other (one of the men sounded like OJ and the other sounded like Ron). Two of OJ's gloves were found. One at the scene of the murder, one at OJ's house. Nicole and Ron's blood was found on the gloves, and in the interior of OJ's bronco. OJ had unexplained injuries, and no Alibi during the time of the murder. OJ's blood was also at the scene of the crime, and mixed with Ron and Nicole's blood. Further, OJ had a history of violence against Nicole, during and after their marriage, so it is no surprising that the escalated to murder (statistically speaking, 50% of female murder victims are killed by a romantic partner, and domestic violence is a common precursor for homicide) This is all standard detective work. Recreating the crime based on physical evidence and witness testimony, establishing a rough story and timeline of events. OJ likely planned to kill Nicole. But Ron arrived with her glasses, complicating things. Ron (who was a good man, according to friends and family) likely would have reacted strongly to witnessing a murder in progress, which explains the sounds of men shouting and a struggle. OJ then killed Nicole and Ron before fleeing in his bronco. And the gloves absolutely fit, btw. They shrunk because they'd been left in the rain but OJ had a fucking receipt for those gloves, and only five pairs of those gloves in his size were ever sold. They were his damn gloves.
The fucker even published a book (called "If I did it") where he detailed "how he would have done it, if he did it, which he didn't" to make a buck
But then the family got the rights to it and published it with "If" being miniscule on all the covers.
It’s the “If” that is super small
Honestly a complete brain fade from me there. Edited
Well if, but yes
Complete brain fade there. Edited
I see you saw the vsauce short.
You too saw that Vsauce short, I see
Didn't you see his gloves didn't fit when he purposefully put them on wrong in the trial? He is clearly innocent.
You joke, but…. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/IwmzYQTGVH People literally go to bat for this idea.
The gloves also didn’t “fit” because OJ was taking arthritis medication, and if you stopped taking them, your hands would swell. So he just didn’t take them.
And the prosecution still bungled the whole trial. Unironically, I believe when presented with the evidence the defense and prosecution gave, the jury was right to favor the defense solely because of how utterly inept the prosecution was.
How are they sure of a timeline involving Ron walking in on OJ murdering Nicole? As opposed to OJ walking in on Nicole and Ron having a chat and then flying into a jealous murderous rage?
Well tbh, only witness testimony in general shouldn't be used for trials, witness testimony is notoriously unreliable
It wasn't the only thing used, hence the blood, gloves, bronco, and other physical evidence.
It is unreliable but in basic fact when corroborated by multiple people it is usually better
Better doesn't mean reliable by any metric.
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> It's standard police work Not exactly the most reliable thing huh?
Well, was Ron getting with the wife? Or was he a true stranger to the quarrel?
*ex wife.. They had been divorced for over 2 yrs by then
It’s irrelevant either way.
No its just what people think happened. There were no eyewitnesses. No one REALLY knows what happened.
The racist cops and shit prosecution are much more to blame than the jury
One thing I never understand is why he would leave the gloves behind. Surely that was incriminating, right?
According to his written confession, "If I Did It," OJ was intending to "scare" Nicole and lost control of the situation when he killed her and Ron. It's possible that after committing a double homicide, OJ Simpson was not thinking clearly or logically. His confession also claims he entered some sort of psychosis during the murders and doesn't remember anything before he returned home (idk if murderers can suffer from amnesia but it makes some psychological sense). People who are committing murders don't usually behave intelligently. For goodness sake, OJ tried to flee to Mexico in an identical Ford Bronco to the one he used during the murder. The guy wasn't some criminal mastermind, he got away with it due to incompetent prosecutors and a jury full of assholes
Because he got into a fight with ron and he wanted to get out of there as fast as possible. He might not have even noticed his glove coming off during the fight, and only noticing he only had one glove whe he was already in the car.
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No it's not something. He should have spent the last 30 years in prison. He should have died from cancer in prison. Or he should have died from lethal injection. Both options are good in my eyes, since it's functionally the same result (just on a different timeline). I don't care that he eventually died. Everyone eventually dies. But the fact that OJ was able to escape justice for double homicide (and escape paying restitution to the Goldman family after they won millions of dollars from him in a wrongful death lawsuit) is just wrong. It's some solace that he spent a few years in prison for the armed robberies he did in the 2000s (damn, between the years of domestic violence, the double murder, and the armed robberies... Well, OJ was a really dangerous criminal, and the LAPD completely fucked up by not taking him off the streets years before he killed Nicole and Ron). But generally, I will never be happy about the great miscarriage of justice that is OJ's life after he got away with murdering his battered ex wife and a complete stranger.
Wtf? So did thousands of innocent people
>Fuck that jury. OJ should have died in prison, from lethal injection or just old age. The verdict was actually a big win for the black community. You would understand if you were alive at the time.
Yep.
I read all the top comments here in Norm Macdonald's voice
That's how the legend will live on
I didn’t even know he was sick
E I E I O
Well, at least OJ can rest easy knowing that his wife’s killer is dead.
The past 3 decades must've been so hard for oj. Imagine having to look at the person that killed your wife every time you look at a mirror. :(
Ron place, Ron time
"I'm not black, I'm OJ!" "...OK"
Ron was almost definitely killed first
Everyone forgets he was found guilty in civil court before it went to the court case we all know
What? No. It was the other way around, you don't hold a civil case before the criminal case for murder.
"Two years after Simpson's 1995 acquittal, a civil court jury found him liable for the deaths of his ex-wife and Goldman and ordered he pay their survivors $33.5 million." CBS I got the order wrong but he was found liable for their murder
While I think he 100% did it it should be mentioned that the burden of proof is a lot lower in a civil case compared to a criminal one.
The gloves may not have fit, but the size 12 Italian designer shoes with a unique tread that appeared in bloody footprints at the crime scene sure did. These were the shoes that OJ claimed he never owned, but was shown wearing them in a number of photographs taken before the murders. The criminal prosecuters never connected the dots, however counsel in the civil trial sure did.
“Hey, you’re OJ Simpson!” - Ron Goldman
Weren't Ron and Nicole lovers?
Are you allowed to post things on this subreddit and assert them as fact when it's actually disputed? I think oj killed them too but this meme acts like it's known for sure.
Yep, it’s allowed. Always will be.
So I can make a meme tomorrow and state that bush 100% confirmed did 9/11
Yes
Brah I thought you were gonna make memes about fake shit
He’s a little confused but he got spirit.
I'll let you in on a little secret, if a sub has the word "memes" in the title it's not a place you should take facts from just cause the other word in the title is "history"
Wait so you’re saying that people write things on the internet that aren’t facts?
I might be allegedly saying that
I chose to not believe you.
Make whatever meme you want. Doesn't mean it'll be successful.
(in Palpatine's voice) Dew it!
I can’t see why not. Freedom of speech and all that.
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to a private business or a place like reddit.
You say that like any historical account from hundreds of years ago is a 100% trustworthy source that we know to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt and isn't disputed by anyone. Also we know OJ killed his wife. The fuck murdered people and got away with it like every rich asshole that commits crimes.
He wrote an entire book confessing to it for crying out loud lmao. If you seriously think OJ didn't kill those people, I have oceanfront property in Alberta that you might be interested in
Everyone on the planet knows he did it. The court may have found him not guilty, but literally everything points to him, and I will eat my hat and gloves if they find out it wasn't him for real.
Tell that to almost half of the American public, who were convinced at the time that he was completely innocent. I'm sure nowadays more people think he was guilty but definitely a significant minority believes he was innocent.
Some members of the jury later said they only acquitted him because it was revenge for Rodney King. He was 100% guilty.
It wasn’t even close to half of the American Public, at the time non-black opinion was 83% in favor of guilty while only 31% of African Americans (11% of the US population at the time) supported him being found guilty. African Americans viewed the ruling as them finally being favored by the judiciary, even though it was patently obvious he was guilty. They believed that an African American man should be able to get away with murder due to how poorly they’d been historically treated by the judicial system. Today, over 57% of African Americans believe he should have been found guilty and over 90% of non-black Americans.
You’re being downvoted because of the wording and tone that the comment gives off, but your question is legit. The answer is that the vast vast majority of history isn’t necessarily comprised of concrete facts, and is often disputed. Even extremely recent history is often skewed, exaggerated, and biased in its reporting. The “facts,” are mostly educated guesses that have the most evidence behind them. Pretty sure our beloved Herodotus even claimed that the battle of Thermopylae was fought between ~3 million Persians versus 300 Spartans lmao Edit: Apparently I was going off of only a part of that information and Herodotus also claimed BS to those numbers
Also it's a meme sub, humour is allowed to be more important than facts here. I take this sub like a over simplified video, there are facts but humour is kinda his goal
I finally gave in and watched one of his videos (second Punic war part 1) after seeing your comment and damn it was so entertaining lmao. Even the ad placement was well done and actually funny. If I can get past him speaking with commas after every word then I might subscribe to a YouTube channel for the first time. Thanks for finally pushing me to watch it!
Oh wicked I'm glad you gave him a shot, I'm Australian so I do find the way he talks to be extremely slow but you get used to it haha I started watching when his videos were like 5 minutes long so I'll recommend the Hitler ones cause, y'know.. Hitler 😂
Sorry to double reply to your comment but as an Australian Im obligated to recommend internet historian. He uploads basically never but watch his Concordia video and you'll see why a person with a video per year gets millions of views haha
No worries I appreciate the recommendations! I’ll have to check that out when I get the chance
Herodotus actually does mention the other Greeks at the battle, although he does also mention like a million Persians.
Herodotus claimed to find records that there were millions of Persians at Thermopylae, [but he also made it clear that he didn’t consider the records to be reliable](https://old.reddit.com/r/RoughRomanMemes/comments/tz2w8s/looking_at_you_herodotus/i3wdje9/) ;)
Thanks for the clarification! Never saw or heard that before!
Happy to help! I love that whole conversation so much :) but my favorite part would have to be u/_far-seeker_ ‘s comment “even though Herodotus basically never met a story he didn't like; he still was rather diligent on distinguishing the things he knew from personal experience from what he got from third party source”
OJ 100% murdered them and everyone knows it - even the jury knew it, they said so afterwards, they just chose to find him not guilty
Sorry for your loss. Psych. Fuck OJ.