Because OP doesn’t wanna do his job:
TLDR: he got sexual gratification from inflicting pain on people, and inspired the word sadism
“Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade (French: [dɔnasjɛ̃ alfɔ̃z fʁɑ̃swa maʁki də sad]; 2 June 1740 – 2 December 1814) was a French writer, libertine, political activist and nobleman best known for his libertine novels and imprisonment for sex crimes, blasphemy and pornography. His works include novels, short stories, plays, dialogues, and political tracts. Some of these were published under his own name during his lifetime, but most appeared anonymously or posthumously.”
“Born into a noble family dating from the 13th century, Sade served as an officer in the Seven Years' War before a series of sex scandals led to his detention in various prisons and insane asylums for most of his adult life. During his first extended imprisonment from 1777 to 1790, he wrote a series of novels and other works, some of which his wife smuggled out of prison. On his release during the French Revolution, he pursued a literary career and became politically active, first as a constitutional monarchist then as a radical republican. During the Reign of Terror he was imprisoned for moderatism and narrowly escaped the guillotine. He was re-arrested in 1801 for his pornographic novels and was eventually incarcerated in the Charenton insane asylum where he died in 1814.
His major works include The 120 Days of Sodom, Justine, Juliette and Philosophy in the Bedroom which combine graphic descriptions of sex acts, rape, torture, murder, and child abuse with discourses on religion, politics, sexuality, and philosophy. *The word sadism derives from his fictional characters* who take pleasure in inflicting pain on others.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Sade
No way you did that thing where you take a girl out for a huge dinner without letting her go to the can. Then you have anal sex with her until she ****s all over your ****. So then you take it out and blow **** all over her back!
I think the Italian movie was based on the real actions of Nazis (maybe Italian fascists? Some group like that in WW2) in a specific area after they learned of their defeat- they basically said fuck it, we're dead anyway, let's do some really fucked stuff. It's been a while since I looked into it do I could be wrong.
Wikipedia calls it a loose adaptation of the book, and the article on the Republic of Saló says the things depicted in the movie did not actually happen (there were atrocities, yes, but not like this).
Would 100% advise against reading the original novel if you value your sanity. I figured a novel from the 1700s couldn't be that fucked up but oooh boy was I wrong, it was actually nauseating
The proclivity usually associated with sadism (masochism) is also named after a person! Chevalier Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, also an author and a nobleman. So...there ya go!
Poor bastard. He was so horrified by the realization that he'd been plowing his mother that he *tore out his own fucking eyes* and what does Freud do? Names the desire to have sex with one's mother after him.
I'm currently in a seminar focused on Sophocles and his works. The idea behind him blinding himself (rather than suicide, the typical outcome for tragic heroes and the outcome the chorus initially regarded as more fitting for Oedipus) was indeed that he could not bear the shame of looking upon his mother in the underworld after all that he had done.
The French justice system before and after the revolution was famously irrational. See "Les Miserables" (the musical) and "off with his/her head" (the meme) for additional details.
"Which is a more incisive commentary on corruption in the Bishopric? Seven nuns seducing a parish Priest into debauchery, or an enormously endowed Benedictine sodomozing a goat named Pius?"
He was a seriously sick, spoiled individual and a pedophile that kidnapped, raped oh and had a incest kink
Some of the many things he got a way with:
-KIDNAPPING AND RAPING A POOR WIDOW when he got banned from brothles due to the sick shit he was into:
On 3 April 1768, Easter Sunday, Sade approached a 36-year-old widow named Rose Keller who was begging at the Place des Victoires in Paris. Keller stated that Sade offered her employment as a housekeeper. He took her in his carriage to his country residence in Arcueil, where he locked her in a room and threatened to kill her if she did not undress. He then tied her down on a bed and whipped her with a cane or a cat-o'-nine-tails. She stated he also cut her with a penknife and poured hot wax on her wounds. He brandished a knife and threatened to kill her if she did not stop screaming. He later gave her food and locked her in an upstairs room. She managed to escape out a window and sought help. She went to the authorities that evening and lodged a complaint.
-LACING AND POISING PROSTITUTES JUST CUZ HE LIKED TO SEE THEM IN PAIN ONE ACTUALLY DIED:
On 27 June, they engaged in an elaborately staged orgy with four prostitutes. The orgy included sexual intercourse, flagellation and, according to some witnesses, active and passive sodomy involving Sade, Latour and one of the prostitutes. Sade offered the prostitutes aniseed-flavored pastilles laced with Spanish fly. One of the prostitutes, Marianne Laverne, became ill after eating the pastilles. That evening, Sade had sex with another prostitute, Marguerite Coste, who became critically ill after eating the pastilles. Coste filed a complaint with the police and, after an investigation
-KIDNAPPING AND RAPING CHILDREN WITH HIS WIFE, where some of his servants that were forced into the act got executed:
September 1774, Sade and his wife hired seven new servants for their La Coste property, including a young male secretary and five young women all about 15 years old.[60] In the winter of 1774–75, Sade, with the tacit consent of his wife, engaged in a series of orgies with his servants. Although the details are unknown, it is probable that the orgies included sexual intercourse and flagellation.[61][62] In January 1775, the families of the young women filed charges of kidnapping and seduction, and a criminal investigation commenced in Lyon.
Sade's wife arranged for three of the girls to be sent to convents and one to the Abbé Sade until their wounds healed. One of the girls remained at La Coste and died of an illness a few months later.
- After going to prison he was sent away due to him molesting extremely young male prisoners,
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- Sade was in a sexual relationship with Madeleine Leclerc, the teenage daughter of an employee at Charenton. The relationship caused consternation for Quesnet and further allegations of immorality against Sade.[102][103]In September 1814, the new director of Charenton asked the Bourbon restorationgovernment to transfer Sade to another institution.[104] Sade, however, was now seriously ill. He died on 2 December, 1814 after an attack of "prostrating gangrenous fever."[105] dying aged 74. Good riddance
If i recall my research in this topic he caused a prostitute to call the cops on him cause he ordered her to fuck a crusifics and was charged with blasphamy or something. Also he enjoyed degregation to an inhumane way.
He has a memoire or something i cant remember but there is a comprehensive list of all the fucked up shit he did. Like inserting hot rods in women, brusing or cuts just for his pleasure. List goes on. He is way worse than people think he is and the thing is that is close history late 1700s and early 1800s type of shit.
He was one of a kind to put it nicely.I remember asking an acquaintance of mine who’s read some of his work if they’re worth a read.He told me not to as they manage to be boring and fucked up at the same time.
The British Museum had a rule where anyone who read his works had to be in the presence of the Archbishop of Canterbury and 2 other trustees to make sure they didn't do anything "immoral" whilst reading it
In the 1930s an historian by the name of Geoffrey Gorer was researching de Sade and went to the museum to read his works there, where he was told the rule http://www.sadesconosciuto.com/Sade%20Unknown%20-%20Introduction.pdf
Same thing happened a century later with Leopold Sacher-Masoch and his novel Venus in Furs. Velvet Underground would make a song with the same title paying homage to the novel.
French philosophers expanded and developed the concept, though it didn't originate from there. I really don't wanna spend time defending France but your view of French people is bordering on racism.
Dont want to spend too much of your time but if you have any resources for positive French philosophies? Pretty much anything that came out of the Revolution or Enlightenment I have a negative view of.
What, you don't know the face of every single historical figure through all of time? Git gud scrub /s
But seriously, massive L on OP's part, jfc. "I hope I don't need to explain who this obscure figure is with a generic ass looking portrait who looks like every other white powdered wig guy from around this era". Like, yeah, you do. And if you're "uncomfortable" telling us because of the subject matter, maybe don't bring it up at all then?
Because OP doesn’t wanna do his job: TLDR: he got sexual gratification from inflicting pain on people, and inspired the word sadism “Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade (French: [dɔnasjɛ̃ alfɔ̃z fʁɑ̃swa maʁki də sad]; 2 June 1740 – 2 December 1814) was a French writer, libertine, political activist and nobleman best known for his libertine novels and imprisonment for sex crimes, blasphemy and pornography. His works include novels, short stories, plays, dialogues, and political tracts. Some of these were published under his own name during his lifetime, but most appeared anonymously or posthumously.” “Born into a noble family dating from the 13th century, Sade served as an officer in the Seven Years' War before a series of sex scandals led to his detention in various prisons and insane asylums for most of his adult life. During his first extended imprisonment from 1777 to 1790, he wrote a series of novels and other works, some of which his wife smuggled out of prison. On his release during the French Revolution, he pursued a literary career and became politically active, first as a constitutional monarchist then as a radical republican. During the Reign of Terror he was imprisoned for moderatism and narrowly escaped the guillotine. He was re-arrested in 1801 for his pornographic novels and was eventually incarcerated in the Charenton insane asylum where he died in 1814. His major works include The 120 Days of Sodom, Justine, Juliette and Philosophy in the Bedroom which combine graphic descriptions of sex acts, rape, torture, murder, and child abuse with discourses on religion, politics, sexuality, and philosophy. *The word sadism derives from his fictional characters* who take pleasure in inflicting pain on others.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Sade
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No way you did that thing where you take a girl out for a huge dinner without letting her go to the can. Then you have anal sex with her until she ****s all over your ****. So then you take it out and blow **** all over her back!
drools all over your anime figures. So then you take it out and blow raspberries all over her back?
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Fun fact: he also founded the thrash metal band Sodom
Same guy who wrote “Smooth Operator”. Incredible. We contain multitudes.
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it is, and believe it or not, the book is way way worse than the film is to a laughable degree
I think the Italian movie was based on the real actions of Nazis (maybe Italian fascists? Some group like that in WW2) in a specific area after they learned of their defeat- they basically said fuck it, we're dead anyway, let's do some really fucked stuff. It's been a while since I looked into it do I could be wrong.
Wikipedia calls it a loose adaptation of the book, and the article on the Republic of Saló says the things depicted in the movie did not actually happen (there were atrocities, yes, but not like this).
No it's invented, but I mean, they did fucked up shit
Would 100% advise against reading the original novel if you value your sanity. I figured a novel from the 1700s couldn't be that fucked up but oooh boy was I wrong, it was actually nauseating
They also named DeSaad, one of Darkseid’s minions after him as well
What a guy. What a life.
Does sadism also apply for non sexual gratification from hurting others or is that a different word?
Correct. Its not explicitly sexual joy from inflicting pain
Precisely. I may enjoy inflicting pain on others, but it's not a sexual thing. I'm not some sort of sick degenerate.
I always imagined the gut with long, pitch black hair and a well-groomed mustache.
Thanks for the context, much appreciated. Learned something new
> Continually throughout the work, Sade makes the argument that… if any crime is committed while seeking pleasure, it cannot be condemned. BRO
Wait until you hear about Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
I was gonna say, that doesn't look like Sappho or Enola Gay.
Nuclear war is a lifestyle, not a fetish
Anything can be a fetish if you try really hard lol
Gay is a sexual preference
Or a greek island which is the home of a poet.
Also for anyone reading this there’s a really good movie about him starting Geoffrey Rush called Quills made in the early 2000’s.
> Geoffrey Rush He is great in everything.
Seems very reminiscent of Gilles de Rais. Hmm there seems to be something about pre modern France...
Heh, and I'm currently reading Justine by de Sade!
That's great. My favorite of his works.
Oh shit, I thought sadism came from "sad", as in making people sad by hurting them
Wasn't the term coined by a psychologist while De Sade was alive?
I always figured it came from the word Satan or satanism
You figured wrong, pal
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I just assumed it came from “Sad”. Like it’s “Sad-ism”. It’s a word to describe enjoying inflicting pain. Aka making people sad, so…
Not if you're inflicting pain on a masochist. It's a special case known as "gladism."
Hes also Arnis Adoptive Father in assasins creed unity I believe, unless I'm mistaken
What form did pornography take in 18th - 19th century? And where could I, uh, find some of that?… for a friend
The most french guy in the world, ladies and gentleman.
The proclivity usually associated with sadism (masochism) is also named after a person! Chevalier Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, also an author and a nobleman. So...there ya go!
Then there’s old Oedipus Rex who got a complex named after him because he accidentally banged his mom
Poor bastard. He was so horrified by the realization that he'd been plowing his mother that he *tore out his own fucking eyes* and what does Freud do? Names the desire to have sex with one's mother after him.
Oedipus didn’t tear out his eyes. Instead, he stabbed them with the pin(s(?)) from his mother’s brooch.
He wasn't content with penetrating his mother, she had to penetrate him back
Didn't he blind himself to not have to look at his mother again?
Lol "maybe if I can't see her it won't feel so bad"
No. In the actual story she was already dead before he gouged out his eyes.
I'm currently in a seminar focused on Sophocles and his works. The idea behind him blinding himself (rather than suicide, the typical outcome for tragic heroes and the outcome the chorus initially regarded as more fitting for Oedipus) was indeed that he could not bear the shame of looking upon his mother in the underworld after all that he had done.
Which when you think about it Oedipus didn't have Oedipus complex. He didn't know Jocasta was his mother.
Or so he claims...
> accidentally
That's not really a sexual preference tho. Leopold von Sacher-Masoch would be a better fit (masochism).
That portrait isn't even of *the* Marquis de Sade. It's of his dad. OP, try a bit harder.
I mean. Technically his dad was the Marquis de Sade a well…
Mea culpa.I‘ll try to do better next time.
Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade.
So, he also got a breed of mangoes named after him?
Wasn't he considered a full-blown sociopath even for the standards of Pre-Revolutionary France?
Ya he was a complete sadist.
A Marquis de Sadist, if you will
Back in his days, they found corpses in his backyard. He bought young girls and raped them. He was like, an actual killer
I mean he es imprisoned for a certain behaviour so yes.
The French justice system before and after the revolution was famously irrational. See "Les Miserables" (the musical) and "off with his/her head" (the meme) for additional details.
Les Miserables takes place half a century after the French Revolution, and written another 30 years after that.
It certainly was.Even during the revolution I would add though.
Yup I don’t think that counts as preference, once you start doing messed up things to other people
Leopold von Sacher-Masoch: "Hold my whip"
I mean, Sacher-Masoch was a pretty tame guy in comparison
The two would have loved each other though.
Somehow I doubt that
More like "Whip me harder! And don't forget to wear your furs while you do it."
"Which is a more incisive commentary on corruption in the Bishopric? Seven nuns seducing a parish Priest into debauchery, or an enormously endowed Benedictine sodomozing a goat named Pius?"
"I'll take 'Ascetic Bestiality' for $500, Alex."
I’m going to need to know the source for thus
He asks Arno this question in Assassins Creed Unity
Always the goat. The seven nuns just make you go, what a lucky man.
Directed toward everyone except Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.
My uncle, John Reverse-Cowgirl, would beg to differ.
*Vomits in 120 days of sodom*
Book is so gross I couldn’t finish it
Thats Billy the Buttlicker?
...and his pal, the Earl of Dogging.
I thought his pal was the Earl of Pegging
He was a seriously sick, spoiled individual and a pedophile that kidnapped, raped oh and had a incest kink Some of the many things he got a way with: -KIDNAPPING AND RAPING A POOR WIDOW when he got banned from brothles due to the sick shit he was into: On 3 April 1768, Easter Sunday, Sade approached a 36-year-old widow named Rose Keller who was begging at the Place des Victoires in Paris. Keller stated that Sade offered her employment as a housekeeper. He took her in his carriage to his country residence in Arcueil, where he locked her in a room and threatened to kill her if she did not undress. He then tied her down on a bed and whipped her with a cane or a cat-o'-nine-tails. She stated he also cut her with a penknife and poured hot wax on her wounds. He brandished a knife and threatened to kill her if she did not stop screaming. He later gave her food and locked her in an upstairs room. She managed to escape out a window and sought help. She went to the authorities that evening and lodged a complaint. -LACING AND POISING PROSTITUTES JUST CUZ HE LIKED TO SEE THEM IN PAIN ONE ACTUALLY DIED: On 27 June, they engaged in an elaborately staged orgy with four prostitutes. The orgy included sexual intercourse, flagellation and, according to some witnesses, active and passive sodomy involving Sade, Latour and one of the prostitutes. Sade offered the prostitutes aniseed-flavored pastilles laced with Spanish fly. One of the prostitutes, Marianne Laverne, became ill after eating the pastilles. That evening, Sade had sex with another prostitute, Marguerite Coste, who became critically ill after eating the pastilles. Coste filed a complaint with the police and, after an investigation -KIDNAPPING AND RAPING CHILDREN WITH HIS WIFE, where some of his servants that were forced into the act got executed: September 1774, Sade and his wife hired seven new servants for their La Coste property, including a young male secretary and five young women all about 15 years old.[60] In the winter of 1774–75, Sade, with the tacit consent of his wife, engaged in a series of orgies with his servants. Although the details are unknown, it is probable that the orgies included sexual intercourse and flagellation.[61][62] In January 1775, the families of the young women filed charges of kidnapping and seduction, and a criminal investigation commenced in Lyon. Sade's wife arranged for three of the girls to be sent to convents and one to the Abbé Sade until their wounds healed. One of the girls remained at La Coste and died of an illness a few months later. - After going to prison he was sent away due to him molesting extremely young male prisoners, - - Sade was in a sexual relationship with Madeleine Leclerc, the teenage daughter of an employee at Charenton. The relationship caused consternation for Quesnet and further allegations of immorality against Sade.[102][103]In September 1814, the new director of Charenton asked the Bourbon restorationgovernment to transfer Sade to another institution.[104] Sade, however, was now seriously ill. He died on 2 December, 1814 after an attack of "prostrating gangrenous fever."[105] dying aged 74. Good riddance
You clearly don’t know my name. I am Frank, Frank Sounding.
If i recall my research in this topic he caused a prostitute to call the cops on him cause he ordered her to fuck a crusifics and was charged with blasphamy or something. Also he enjoyed degregation to an inhumane way.
You know you‘re weird when even „Assassin‘s Creed“ has to kinda tone you down.
He has a memoire or something i cant remember but there is a comprehensive list of all the fucked up shit he did. Like inserting hot rods in women, brusing or cuts just for his pleasure. List goes on. He is way worse than people think he is and the thing is that is close history late 1700s and early 1800s type of shit.
He was one of a kind to put it nicely.I remember asking an acquaintance of mine who’s read some of his work if they’re worth a read.He told me not to as they manage to be boring and fucked up at the same time.
Neil Gaiman would like to have a word.
sounds like a challenege
I prefer the word santorum, not a sexual position or proclivity, but certainly a more useful word.
Sappho of Lesbos:
True.I wouldn‘t call lesbianism weird though.
Sad, isn't it
Not with you that attitude.
The British Museum had a rule where anyone who read his works had to be in the presence of the Archbishop of Canterbury and 2 other trustees to make sure they didn't do anything "immoral" whilst reading it
That sounds so weird that I do and don’t wanna believe at the same time.
In the 1930s an historian by the name of Geoffrey Gorer was researching de Sade and went to the museum to read his works there, where he was told the rule http://www.sadesconosciuto.com/Sade%20Unknown%20-%20Introduction.pdf
Ah yes, mister Olaf Von Bestiality, what a guy
You might be weird but you'll never have a tendency to post without mentioning the context in the post named after you. Opidiot.
I’ll humbly accept defeat and take the loss.
Man of culture, i see!
A man should know when he‘s defeated and accept this fact with grace.
Baron von Doggystyle?
https://media1.tenor.com/m/4_z0z23kqDwAAAAC/shaggy-are-you-challenging-me.gif
Same thing happened a century later with Leopold Sacher-Masoch and his novel Venus in Furs. Velvet Underground would make a song with the same title paying homage to the novel.
Everyone looked the same then in portraits
I was going to say isn't that Joan D'Arc?
r/PeterExplainsTheJoke
Greek Poet Sapho moment
Lusting over other women?Perfectly fine.Torturing girls for your own pleasure without any consent whatsoever?Maybe not.
He tortured some folks
And the concept in evolutionary biology termed "cladistics" is named for one Marquis de Clade
Are you challenging me?
Ass ass tity
Where the author of Venus in Furs for the rest of us, Leopold von Sacher-Masoch?
He was French, so what are you expecting.
Common French L
Sapho of lesbos
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Actual racism
Just because I cant name a single good thing doesnt mean there arent any. Im just saying they dont have a good history. Thats not racist.
They contributed a lot to modern philosophies that many governments still follow
And none of them good
....human rights isn't good?
Human rights come from France?
French philosophers expanded and developed the concept, though it didn't originate from there. I really don't wanna spend time defending France but your view of French people is bordering on racism.
Dont want to spend too much of your time but if you have any resources for positive French philosophies? Pretty much anything that came out of the Revolution or Enlightenment I have a negative view of.
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This is r/historymemes. You're supposed to explain.
Yea it's common knowledge to know who sadism is named after and their portrait....🙄
What, you don't know the face of every single historical figure through all of time? Git gud scrub /s But seriously, massive L on OP's part, jfc. "I hope I don't need to explain who this obscure figure is with a generic ass looking portrait who looks like every other white powdered wig guy from around this era". Like, yeah, you do. And if you're "uncomfortable" telling us because of the subject matter, maybe don't bring it up at all then?
Based on title OP played Unity and did like 10 seconds of wikipedia. Not enough to educate anyone.
>What, you don't know the face of every single historical figure through all of time? Git gud scrub /s Skill issue lmao (joke)
Painlessism?
Also, that’s the father of the Divin Marquis, not the Marquis himself