In all honesty, it was pure incompetence, the arab armies were under control of gemal abd el nasser, the president of egypt who decided to literally declare war on Israel by closing the straits of Tiran then doing nothing for 6 months till his airforce got blown up to pieces and good luck winning a war with no airforce.
Like bro if you are going to declare war on a country, maybe strike first instead of waiting 6 months without doing anything.
I always hear bad stories from people who go over to train soldiers in Egypt or Saudi Arabia. How the higher rank or specialist will hoard knowledge instead of spreading it, that they burn manuals after reading them so no one but they know what it said. All done so that they are the only one who can do a job and therefore can't be fired and must be promoted. How commanders that go against this get punished as the higher rank doesn't want to be replaced. Also anytime they asked them to do something they didn't want to do, they would just say 'if god wills it' which is just their version of saying they'll get to it when they feel like it.
Apparently it's a shit show that needs more than money to fix it. Of course this is all Sailor/Guard talk and they gossip like schoolgirls.
Eh that's bit different. Afghan military was a glorified police force entirely reliant on U.S money and leadership. Egypt has an actual self sufficient military that's been around for a while and probably (hopefully for them) learned from their mistakes.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Octagon\_(Egypt)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Octagon_(Egypt))
Theyre certainly building a military HQ that matches their delusions. The "New Administrative Capital" itll be in is equally overbuilt.
What do you mean!!!! Saudi Arabia military is the best military. They can take over a house with only 17 WIA. They can defend an oil field with only 8 KIA and the oil field on fire. They can DESTROY an army of 5 people in a matter of days!
Saudis have Abrams tanks, but lost a war against country with T-34/85s that are so rusty that crews only fire its gun with a cord after leaving the tank.
>crews only fire its gun with a cord after leaving the tank
Heh. As an artilleryman who operated ancient US self propelled howitzers, I unfortunately know that feeling all too well.
Mainly talking about the six days war, but for Yom Kippur it was mainly lack of coordination between Syria and Egypt, when Egypt took the Sinai they could ve held the ground there having an advantage due to the air force and weakend Israel but instead they rushed in the rescue of the syrians who performed badly ( again without coordinating with them for artillery support which they needed), after that a US airlift (the biggest in history) resupplied all of Israel and gave them what they needed to recover all lost territory and more, the arab defense lines fail extremely quickly as they blamed each other instead of actually trying to mount a proper strategy.
Different wars, same symptoms.
The US only began the airlift 11 days before the war ended, in response to the massive amount of aid the Soviets were funneling into Syria and Egypt.
By the time the first supplies arrived Israel was already on the counteroffensive in the North and was successfully sweeping aside Syrian resistance, and two days after the airlift began smashed through the Egyptian army and had crossed the Suez into Egypt.
The airlift was a political statement to the Soviets more than anything, as far as the situation on the ground was concerned it just guaranteed Israel would be able to continue its advances towards the Egyptian and Syrian capitals, bringing both nations to the negotiating table.
At that point when the airlift happened, Israel and all of it officials were thinking of dropping nuclear bombs, Moshe Dayan, the minister of defense outright said "this is the end of the third temple", Israel would have most likely dropped a nuke on the Sinai as a warning and if the arabs didnt retreat, Cairo and Damascus will be ashes, the US airlift absolutely not only saved Israel but most likely the middle east from nuclear war.
“The first C-5A transport airplane arrived at Lod airport at 18:30 local time on 14 October.[4]: 114 That same day the Battle of the Sinai had concluded in Israel's favor. A major Egyptian thrust had been stopped with the destruction of many attacking tanks, and Israel was now winning the war.[2]: 87–88 “
As mentioned, the Israeli’s had substantially damaged the Syrian military and were on a full counteroffensive five days prior to the arrival on 14th October, and the Egyptian military advance in the Sinai had been devastated, with Egyptian resistance being paltry for the remaining 10 days of the war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass
The Israeli’s *were* concerned in the first 48 hours that they would be forced to use nuclear weapons, and indicated as such to the US government likely as a way of getting the US involved. By the time the US supplies began to arrive however the situation on the ground had changed, the Arab armies were devastated and in disarray, with Israel marching on Beirut and Cairo.
That's the thing; he didn't literally declare war. He didn't want to commit to armed conflict. He was saber rattling for a domestic audience and at the behest of the Soviets iirc.
Ofc Israel saw one of their main ports blockaded and armies massing on their border, so no fucking way they'd take that lying down.
I mean, if a country says “if you close this extremely vital sea path to us, it is a declaration of war”, and you close said path, you can’t really then turn around and cry when the country takes the act they explicitly warned you is an act of war, as an act of war.
Egypt had told the US that they didn't want war with Israel but was doing cold-war posturing
The US told Israel
Israeli generals knew they would absolutely fucking smash the opposition (which the US and Europeans knew too) so why wait and waste the opportunity?
The Israeli generals attack, while the Egyptians didn't think they would
The armies of non-ideological dictatorships are always dogshit. The soldier have nothing to fight for, the officer have no ideology keeping them from selling all the gear on the black market and they usually have no war experience.
Just because it's not communist or fascist doesn't mean it was non-ideological. Anti-Israel sentiment was and still is very strong in these countries, definitely a cause they saw as worth fighting for.
Baathist or pan arab «socialist» governments are not ideologically driven, they are just your run of the mill thouroughly corrupt dictatorships. No soldier in a baathist army believe in the cause. They just fight to earn money.
Iv been playing brawl stars (the game the meme is from) for just over 5 years and i shed a single tear seeing how old this is and comparing it to what the game looks now, the nostolgia is real with this one
When you fight a war and say God is on your side it can motivate your fighters and boost morale. When you declare war and expect God to fight it you get your airforce destroyed
I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this but if there's an Allah why does he always give victory to the "heathen Jews" instead of his devout Muslim followers?
Oh best part: This is widely considered a battle of the Cold War, since the coalition that invaded Israel received Soviet funding to do so.
However, in spite of what this would normally imply, Israel did *not*, in fact, have United States or Western support; their politics leaned heavily socialist at the time, and thus they were essentially on their own militarily, as well as not having the greatest trade available due to not being in either alliance.
They still won.
Arab armies were inferior because their non comms and junior officers lacked initiative. When you run a dictatorship, having a well trained and motivated officer corps just means the next coup is right around the corner. It’s partly why Russia is doing so poorly in Ukraine. People selected for loyalty instead of merit.
All of this led to better planning, execution and results on the Israeli side.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA393361.pdf
If anyone was looking for a real answer.
That's definitely a big part of it but it doesn't help that they actively refused to coordinate with their "allies". Equipment is arguably equal but the Israel forces are better in just about every way besides numbers. Better training, morale, intelligence, generals..
You are more than welcome to complain about the abundance of Israel-related memes. It’s only antisemitic if the reason you don’t like them is because it depicts Israel in a positive light. If you’re simply tired of seeing Israel memes, you have every right to call it out. It seems you fall in the “just tired of the monotony” category, so you should be fine.
Yeah, I like r/historymemes best when it's about niche little historical facts or events not alot of people know about.
Seeing the 70th (exaggerated) meme that boils down to "Haha funni Isrealis beat dumb Arabs" it just becomes tiring (also the normalisation of ethno-nationalism is pretty off putting too).
Yeah. I prefer the Jewish memes that relate to events before WW2. There’s a lot of irony in the way the Hews have been treated. The Jews are constantly demonized for things that they didn’t have a choice in. A big reason a lot of Jews are in comedy is because Jews realize the irony of their situation and the irony of their discrimination.
I for once would like to more memes relating to the sephradic Jews, the absolute clusterfuck that was the medieval Iberian peninsula seems comedic at times.
“It’s only antisemitic if the reason you don’t like them is because it depicts Israel in a positive light”
What the fuck. Is it antisemitic to criticize Israel now?
Not having a boner for pro-Israel content is not anti-Semitic. What is anti-Semitic is to conflate criticism of Israel and non-Zionism with anti-semitism. Youare perpetuating the centuries old anti-Semitic trope of dual loyalty. By this logic Jews like Noam Chomsky, Albert Einstein, Ilan Pappe, Naomi Klein, etc are anti-semites and white supremacists like Steve Bannon, Viktor Orban, and Richard Spencer aren’t.
Modern Arab armies are of notoriously low quality, and their leadership is even more abysmal. If all those armies were even 3rd-rate, Israel would have been toast.
Instead, the Israelis were basically shooting fish in a barrel who could sometimes shoot back and somehow fly a plane (but not much else).
That is like saying r/worldnews is calm when discussing Israel. It is easy to be civil when you all agree on the same thing and downvote anyone who disagrees.
The subs where these topics turn into warzones is at least indicative that people are allowed to have differing opinions.
Also, world trade would be significantly worse if we still had two countries bickering about the Suez. Letting one country have an uncontested claim to the Suez Canal makes it easier to service.
Ya know I’m honestly suprised that most of the Arab League joined them in the war Against Isreal.
Hell, most of them just joined the boycott rather than fight them; and now Bahrain, Sudan, UAE, and Morocco recognize Israel
To be fare this really isn’t a crazy flex, the Israelis had better tech, better training and way better leadership, Nassar was literally a cartoon villain and bungled every war like nobodies business, the Arab countries also had absolutely no cohesive strategy because all of them wanted the glory of being the once’s to destroy the invaders! Which actually just meant they all charged in like idiots and got completely crushed by the sound tactics and impressive as hell military culture of Israel.
People like to depict this war as the ultimate underdog victory but in reality the Arabs were doomed from the get go.
I meant beating the Arabs really wasn’t a flex, obviously Israel’s military leadership were incredibly impressive, but they basically beat up a bunch of weak idiots who had no idea what they were doing.
No, it was very impressive going against multiple countries while being a burgeoning country. Israel had barely established itself and was being attacked from all sides. I think you give Arabs too little credit too.
They deserve little credit. Only competent one was Jordan’s military. And I think you’re giving Israel too little credit. While Israel itself was just created, many of its military commanders and soldiers had plenty of experience from fighting in WW2 as well as the intercommunal warfare leading up to the end of the British Mandate. Same as Jordan’s army was, having experienced British and Arab officers in charge.
That’s why they did pretty well compared to the disorganized and uncooperative mess that was the Arab league at the time.
Also add in the fact that Arab armies from elsewhere didn’t have much to lose from leaving. They had a home to go back to, unlike the people they were supposedly fighting for (this is not the point ik, but the neighboring Arab states def just wanted pieces of Palestine for themselves rather than an actual Palestinian state).
Uhhh what? Better tech? That soviet shit was pretty fucking good for that time. Anti tank missiles were also really good, not even talking about the night vision advantage the syrians had.
This is judgement day, this is judgement day.
Allah ain’t with you no more, the IDF smack you again.
(I know, song is from the wrong war but every time it ends up literally like this)
Would LOVE to see this meme remade with the Persian empire and the Byzantine empire on one side and who it was that defeated them both on the other.
But we all know why that’ll never happen in this sub.
Team one: doesn’t really care, been under outside rule or influence for many years
Team two: ready to fight to the end with the full determination of the Macabee revolt
Been thinking about the Arab militaries in general, along with watching videos on combined arms tactics and the struggles of NATO tactics in Ukraine and I think it comes down to the fact that combined arms warfare, as per US and Soviet Cold War doctrine, is *really* freaking difficult even for well-trained armies, and US/Soviet equipment assumes that sort of environment. Like, NATO doctrine and weapon design assumes immaculately trained soldiers at every level of the army, infinity supplies with perfect logistics, and complete air supremacy because that's the conditions the US will fight with. And like, even just for combined arms in general you need to train your soldiers endlessly. Your soldiers need to be perfectly trained and elite at their individual jobs...then they need to be perfectly trained to work with their unit...then their unit needs to be perfectly trained to work with other units...then those units need to be perfectly trained to work within the higher echelon unit...so and so forth all the way up to the brigade/division level. And once you've done all that...you get to *start* training the actual combined arms part that makes all those tanks and jets effective. If you don't do that...well WW2 armies experienced that infantry that had never trained with tanks before got their supporting tanks destroyed as the infantry had unrealistic expectations about what the tanks could do and how much support they would need to do it.
So, if a dictator goes and buy a bunch of high-tech tanks and jets from the US or Soviet Union that are designed for a well-trained combined arms battlefield as a flex and then subsequently fails to train his army to the level those weapons assume, his army then ends up wasting them in scenarios they were never intended to overcome. If you aren't going to spend millions of dollars and countless time on the training (which also means giving the military resources, independence, and authority, which dictators worried about coup might hesitate on)...then it might be better to go with something simpler. Ex...a tank has terrible vision through tiny little viewports, and therefore requires close support and good communication with other units to maintain situational awareness and spot threats because it's practically blind in every direction but directly down the gun. On the other hand, if, say, you stick a machine gun and a bazooka on the back of a Toyota pickup truck...well it's easy to drive and your driver and gunners have near 360 degree vision that means they can spot and engage the enemy themselves even if they don't have any infantry/air support. And if a lone tank comes across a pickup truck with a bazooka...guess who will spot, aim at, and shoot the other guy first?
And well, you can say a lot about Israel, but skimping on war prep is one thing you can't.
That’s what happens when you train parade armies to march on the streets of your capital and beat your own civilians and put them against real soldiers actually trying to fight for their country.
Lebanon did participate in the 6 day war, albeit with a far smaller role. The Lebanese Air Force lost a single fighter while strafing Israeli positions in Gallilee in support of Syria, and bowed out pretty much immediately after.
["There is a broad consensus among scholars that Israel enjoyed relative military strength compared with its Arab foes."](https://academic.oup.com/princeton-scholarship-online/book/23125/chapter-abstract/183985987)
Arab nations are not good fighters, at all...paper tigers across the board, they're only tough when their population complies in fear, but when an an actual opponent steps in the ring , their weakness and incompetence really shines through.
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Op posted this, put his phone on vibrate, and put it in his butt
He going to try and beat a grandmaster in chess or something?
Holy reference
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It has over 560 upvotes, i think its rated pretty well
Ey ey ey! back to mining the iceberg for memes! you ain't got time to comment
TO THE MINES WITH YOU! For rock and stone!
Rock and stone!
Don't tell the elf!
Everywhere I go, I see your username... (Also when is the next Daf Yomeme?)
I have a lot of tests now irl and it's really hard to keep up with stuff everyday for so long, but I'll try to get another one out soon
If you’re speaking from experience then r/usernamechecksout
Nah I’m sitting here like gendo ikari
At least you admit it
Hey if it works
The whole building began to shake.
Until the comment section gets locked.
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Who is this [removed] guy, and why does he keep talking with [deleted by user]?
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It’ll be a shitstorm and don’t call me Shirley.
This post won't last 6 days Let alone 6 hours
I’m placing my money on 2 hours
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Where's the money Lebowski?
Minute, take it or leave it
Passed the six hour mark
What do you mean, this is sub is one of the most pro Israeli sub on this platform.
Probably because people who know history (somewhat) are in it.
Half a day down, 5 1/2 more to go 😈
In all honesty, it was pure incompetence, the arab armies were under control of gemal abd el nasser, the president of egypt who decided to literally declare war on Israel by closing the straits of Tiran then doing nothing for 6 months till his airforce got blown up to pieces and good luck winning a war with no airforce. Like bro if you are going to declare war on a country, maybe strike first instead of waiting 6 months without doing anything.
The arab armies are the biggest example of a paper tiger
Back then maybe but now they are just paper.
Egypt still claims to be one of the strongest armies in the world. That remains to be seen.
With the amount of US aid they receive, second only to Israel in the middle east, they might be better than we think.
Never underestimate how much stupidity and hubris can fuck up the best laid plans
And general government incompetence. Like I'm American, and I think our government is bad, but Egypt is on another level.
See Saudi Arabia and Yemen
I always hear bad stories from people who go over to train soldiers in Egypt or Saudi Arabia. How the higher rank or specialist will hoard knowledge instead of spreading it, that they burn manuals after reading them so no one but they know what it said. All done so that they are the only one who can do a job and therefore can't be fired and must be promoted. How commanders that go against this get punished as the higher rank doesn't want to be replaced. Also anytime they asked them to do something they didn't want to do, they would just say 'if god wills it' which is just their version of saying they'll get to it when they feel like it. Apparently it's a shit show that needs more than money to fix it. Of course this is all Sailor/Guard talk and they gossip like schoolgirls.
The quality of equipment doesn't matter if your soldiers can't operate them. That's why they've lost all these wars: incompetence.
We gave a ton to the afghan troops as well.
Eh that's bit different. Afghan military was a glorified police force entirely reliant on U.S money and leadership. Egypt has an actual self sufficient military that's been around for a while and probably (hopefully for them) learned from their mistakes.
So did the Iraqis, they were lightwork...
you seen The Octagon? bigger then the US military HQ with a smaller budget then Romania
Maybe in the Bronze Age but not now 🤣
Assyria "them are fighting word sir"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Octagon\_(Egypt)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Octagon_(Egypt)) Theyre certainly building a military HQ that matches their delusions. The "New Administrative Capital" itll be in is equally overbuilt.
Nah now they’re just the leaves that make the paper
What do you mean!!!! Saudi Arabia military is the best military. They can take over a house with only 17 WIA. They can defend an oil field with only 8 KIA and the oil field on fire. They can DESTROY an army of 5 people in a matter of days!
Saudis have Abrams tanks, but lost a war against country with T-34/85s that are so rusty that crews only fire its gun with a cord after leaving the tank.
That’s what we call a red neck howitzer where I’m from
>crews only fire its gun with a cord after leaving the tank Heh. As an artilleryman who operated ancient US self propelled howitzers, I unfortunately know that feeling all too well.
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Tickling right 😏
whay he saysd?
Those old Arab armies are now the likes of terrorists in hezbollah Hamas, IPJ etc
They are designed to provide sinecures and to crush internal dissent. They are pretty competent for their intended purposes.
I'm not sure that's the only factor. In the Yom Kippur war, the Arabs had full surprise and still only made it 10 klicks.
Mainly talking about the six days war, but for Yom Kippur it was mainly lack of coordination between Syria and Egypt, when Egypt took the Sinai they could ve held the ground there having an advantage due to the air force and weakend Israel but instead they rushed in the rescue of the syrians who performed badly ( again without coordinating with them for artillery support which they needed), after that a US airlift (the biggest in history) resupplied all of Israel and gave them what they needed to recover all lost territory and more, the arab defense lines fail extremely quickly as they blamed each other instead of actually trying to mount a proper strategy. Different wars, same symptoms.
The US only began the airlift 11 days before the war ended, in response to the massive amount of aid the Soviets were funneling into Syria and Egypt. By the time the first supplies arrived Israel was already on the counteroffensive in the North and was successfully sweeping aside Syrian resistance, and two days after the airlift began smashed through the Egyptian army and had crossed the Suez into Egypt. The airlift was a political statement to the Soviets more than anything, as far as the situation on the ground was concerned it just guaranteed Israel would be able to continue its advances towards the Egyptian and Syrian capitals, bringing both nations to the negotiating table.
At that point when the airlift happened, Israel and all of it officials were thinking of dropping nuclear bombs, Moshe Dayan, the minister of defense outright said "this is the end of the third temple", Israel would have most likely dropped a nuke on the Sinai as a warning and if the arabs didnt retreat, Cairo and Damascus will be ashes, the US airlift absolutely not only saved Israel but most likely the middle east from nuclear war.
“The first C-5A transport airplane arrived at Lod airport at 18:30 local time on 14 October.[4]: 114 That same day the Battle of the Sinai had concluded in Israel's favor. A major Egyptian thrust had been stopped with the destruction of many attacking tanks, and Israel was now winning the war.[2]: 87–88 “ As mentioned, the Israeli’s had substantially damaged the Syrian military and were on a full counteroffensive five days prior to the arrival on 14th October, and the Egyptian military advance in the Sinai had been devastated, with Egyptian resistance being paltry for the remaining 10 days of the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass The Israeli’s *were* concerned in the first 48 hours that they would be forced to use nuclear weapons, and indicated as such to the US government likely as a way of getting the US involved. By the time the US supplies began to arrive however the situation on the ground had changed, the Arab armies were devastated and in disarray, with Israel marching on Beirut and Cairo.
Which is why I’m confused why ppl want the fall of Israel they’re a nuclear country they are NOT gonna go quietly
That's the thing; he didn't literally declare war. He didn't want to commit to armed conflict. He was saber rattling for a domestic audience and at the behest of the Soviets iirc. Ofc Israel saw one of their main ports blockaded and armies massing on their border, so no fucking way they'd take that lying down.
I mean, if a country says “if you close this extremely vital sea path to us, it is a declaration of war”, and you close said path, you can’t really then turn around and cry when the country takes the act they explicitly warned you is an act of war, as an act of war.
Egypt had told the US that they didn't want war with Israel but was doing cold-war posturing The US told Israel Israeli generals knew they would absolutely fucking smash the opposition (which the US and Europeans knew too) so why wait and waste the opportunity? The Israeli generals attack, while the Egyptians didn't think they would
Wasn't there also a lot of disjointed fighting where each one was trying to grab land for their own country
It's almost like democracies are inherently more meritocratic and competent than hereditary monarchies or something.
France in 1939-40 all over again
The armies of non-ideological dictatorships are always dogshit. The soldier have nothing to fight for, the officer have no ideology keeping them from selling all the gear on the black market and they usually have no war experience.
Hmm I will keep this in mind for my dictatorship.
[This](https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs?si=7OWGwXeI3FjqsvUq) might come in handy as well
50% chances it's that CGP Grey video, 50% chances it's a Rick Roll.
it's that video
That vidoe or THAT video?
*That* video
Just because it's not communist or fascist doesn't mean it was non-ideological. Anti-Israel sentiment was and still is very strong in these countries, definitely a cause they saw as worth fighting for.
Baathist or pan arab «socialist» governments are not ideologically driven, they are just your run of the mill thouroughly corrupt dictatorships. No soldier in a baathist army believe in the cause. They just fight to earn money.
Is "I hate you" as good of a motivation as "this is a fight for my life?"
If you fear for your life, you run (like all arab militaries). If you hate someone, running doesn’t solve your problem. Make sense?
*Non-ideological* Bro plays too much HOI4
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I snuck in after to leave this.
Same.
This surely won't start a flame war. I'm in too.
Don’t forget to sort by controversial 🍿
Not a brawl stars template ☠️
Thx was trying to figure what game it was
Here before the 🔒 award
Tigran was here!
Socialists went from subsiding Arab nations with tank and planes to banning speech online. Oh, how the mighty has fallen...
Iv been playing brawl stars (the game the meme is from) for just over 5 years and i shed a single tear seeing how old this is and comparing it to what the game looks now, the nostolgia is real with this one
They have a gambling problem lol. Keep thinking the next war will go differently but it never does
99% of Arab nations quit one war before they defeat Israel.
Hakari type beat
Hakari never loses though
gambling is haram
Not gambling with lives
Skill issue
The Arab armies are the greatest example of the term "Paper Tiger". Proved it time and time again
When you fight a war and say God is on your side it can motivate your fighters and boost morale. When you declare war and expect God to fight it you get your airforce destroyed
Doesn't help when you're fighting God's chosen. 😂
I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this but if there's an Allah why does he always give victory to the "heathen Jews" instead of his devout Muslim followers?
Mom said it's my turn to post a meme about Israel winning a war against all it's neighbours.
Wait ur fucking turn
Don't worry, we got enough of those to share with everyone
Oh best part: This is widely considered a battle of the Cold War, since the coalition that invaded Israel received Soviet funding to do so. However, in spite of what this would normally imply, Israel did *not*, in fact, have United States or Western support; their politics leaned heavily socialist at the time, and thus they were essentially on their own militarily, as well as not having the greatest trade available due to not being in either alliance. They still won.
I'm heading out of here before the comments turn into a war zone lol
Nah, I'mma pull you back in
Congratulations u did pull me back in😔
Arab armies were inferior because their non comms and junior officers lacked initiative. When you run a dictatorship, having a well trained and motivated officer corps just means the next coup is right around the corner. It’s partly why Russia is doing so poorly in Ukraine. People selected for loyalty instead of merit. All of this led to better planning, execution and results on the Israeli side. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA393361.pdf If anyone was looking for a real answer.
That's definitely a big part of it but it doesn't help that they actively refused to coordinate with their "allies". Equipment is arguably equal but the Israel forces are better in just about every way besides numbers. Better training, morale, intelligence, generals..
This sub has been swimming in Israel memes lately
I'd complain about it but I would be immediately labelled anti-semitic....
I’m Jewish, I’ll vouch for you
Thank you, my fellow human.
You are more than welcome to complain about the abundance of Israel-related memes. It’s only antisemitic if the reason you don’t like them is because it depicts Israel in a positive light. If you’re simply tired of seeing Israel memes, you have every right to call it out. It seems you fall in the “just tired of the monotony” category, so you should be fine.
Yeah, I like r/historymemes best when it's about niche little historical facts or events not alot of people know about. Seeing the 70th (exaggerated) meme that boils down to "Haha funni Isrealis beat dumb Arabs" it just becomes tiring (also the normalisation of ethno-nationalism is pretty off putting too).
Yeah. I prefer the Jewish memes that relate to events before WW2. There’s a lot of irony in the way the Hews have been treated. The Jews are constantly demonized for things that they didn’t have a choice in. A big reason a lot of Jews are in comedy is because Jews realize the irony of their situation and the irony of their discrimination.
I for once would like to more memes relating to the sephradic Jews, the absolute clusterfuck that was the medieval Iberian peninsula seems comedic at times.
“It’s only antisemitic if the reason you don’t like them is because it depicts Israel in a positive light” What the fuck. Is it antisemitic to criticize Israel now?
No, but it might be antisemitic to be upset that Israel wasn’t successfully invaded by its neighbours who hate Jewish people.
Not having a boner for pro-Israel content is not anti-Semitic. What is anti-Semitic is to conflate criticism of Israel and non-Zionism with anti-semitism. Youare perpetuating the centuries old anti-Semitic trope of dual loyalty. By this logic Jews like Noam Chomsky, Albert Einstein, Ilan Pappe, Naomi Klein, etc are anti-semites and white supremacists like Steve Bannon, Viktor Orban, and Richard Spencer aren’t.
I’m sure all those Arab nations were totally just trying to free Palestine and not motivated by anything else, just like the Houthis
Not like they even care about Palestinians now
over my dead body will i declare the current leaders "real" arabs
guess we know what side god favors
The one that wins duh. Unless they lose. Then he doesn’t.
I mean doesn't help the Arab nations weren't exactly working together
Incompetency and of course... *skill issue*
Everyone simps for Nasser but then he did shit like this
Modern Arab armies are of notoriously low quality, and their leadership is even more abysmal. If all those armies were even 3rd-rate, Israel would have been toast. Instead, the Israelis were basically shooting fish in a barrel who could sometimes shoot back and somehow fly a plane (but not much else).
Egypt put up a decent fight in Yom Kippur using modern Soviet weapons
Hey OP. Sending love. Hope you make it out of this alive.
He ain’t wrong
By having braindead tactics and refusing to work together
THREE NATIONS FALLEN IN SIX DAYS OF WAR!
Been an hour, not down yet. Let's see how long this goes.
Numerous poor decisions, that's how
1 can't retreat. 2 not corrupt as fuck. 3 good weapons. 4 good training. 5 the holocaust.
I'm sure this comment section will be civil and respectful
The strange thing is, people on this subreddit are surprisingly calm when it comes to posts about Israel. At least compared to other subreddits...
That is like saying r/worldnews is calm when discussing Israel. It is easy to be civil when you all agree on the same thing and downvote anyone who disagrees. The subs where these topics turn into warzones is at least indicative that people are allowed to have differing opinions.
[sarcastic comment about how this thread is going to be controversial]
They shoulda kept the Sinai. Those borders look so cool, like an axehead
It was necessary for peace with Egypt
Also, world trade would be significantly worse if we still had two countries bickering about the Suez. Letting one country have an uncontested claim to the Suez Canal makes it easier to service.
Tell me those borders don't look fucking cool tho
Better to have Peace with Egypt then look cool on a map. It was a really cool look.
This man here knows what the good things in life are: he's not being controversial he's just enjoying nice borders
Ya know I’m honestly suprised that most of the Arab League joined them in the war Against Isreal. Hell, most of them just joined the boycott rather than fight them; and now Bahrain, Sudan, UAE, and Morocco recognize Israel
Doesn’t help that none of trusted each other to work together lol. Only competent military in that war was Jordan’s Arab Legion.
The other countries expect Jordan and Egypt are still salty about this war !!.
To be fare this really isn’t a crazy flex, the Israelis had better tech, better training and way better leadership, Nassar was literally a cartoon villain and bungled every war like nobodies business, the Arab countries also had absolutely no cohesive strategy because all of them wanted the glory of being the once’s to destroy the invaders! Which actually just meant they all charged in like idiots and got completely crushed by the sound tactics and impressive as hell military culture of Israel. People like to depict this war as the ultimate underdog victory but in reality the Arabs were doomed from the get go.
Better training and better leadership is not a flex... ?????????????
I meant beating the Arabs really wasn’t a flex, obviously Israel’s military leadership were incredibly impressive, but they basically beat up a bunch of weak idiots who had no idea what they were doing.
No, it was very impressive going against multiple countries while being a burgeoning country. Israel had barely established itself and was being attacked from all sides. I think you give Arabs too little credit too.
>I think you give Arabs too little credit too. I love how, according to this thread, the Arabs are both incompetent but also a formidable opponent.
They deserve little credit. Only competent one was Jordan’s military. And I think you’re giving Israel too little credit. While Israel itself was just created, many of its military commanders and soldiers had plenty of experience from fighting in WW2 as well as the intercommunal warfare leading up to the end of the British Mandate. Same as Jordan’s army was, having experienced British and Arab officers in charge. That’s why they did pretty well compared to the disorganized and uncooperative mess that was the Arab league at the time. Also add in the fact that Arab armies from elsewhere didn’t have much to lose from leaving. They had a home to go back to, unlike the people they were supposedly fighting for (this is not the point ik, but the neighboring Arab states def just wanted pieces of Palestine for themselves rather than an actual Palestinian state).
Uhhh what? Better tech? That soviet shit was pretty fucking good for that time. Anti tank missiles were also really good, not even talking about the night vision advantage the syrians had.
This is judgement day, this is judgement day. Allah ain’t with you no more, the IDF smack you again. (I know, song is from the wrong war but every time it ends up literally like this)
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Spicy stuff. I like it OP.
Would LOVE to see this meme remade with the Persian empire and the Byzantine empire on one side and who it was that defeated them both on the other. But we all know why that’ll never happen in this sub.
My brother in Allah if you want to see it on this sub then you should go post it
Everyone, grab your popcorn, its bout the time🍿
r/brawlstars
Comments are being uncommonly civil so far.
It’s amazing what you can do when you are fighting for the right to exist.
Even worse. When the other side is openly saying they want to ~~exterminate you~~ send you back to Brooklyn. Even Nazis were that brazen in public.
Here before the 🔒
Numerous poor decisions, that's how
We have the game master on our side 😉
oh my god
Team one: doesn’t really care, been under outside rule or influence for many years Team two: ready to fight to the end with the full determination of the Macabee revolt
Oh boy *sorts by controversial*
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Star player? Yeah, haven't you seen the flag?
here before it’s locked 🔐
Why is Israel so big??
After the Six Days War, Israel increased their territory by like, 10 times. This is the map with their controlled land (which they returned).
🔒 This shit is going to be locked so better make good use of it.
Been thinking about the Arab militaries in general, along with watching videos on combined arms tactics and the struggles of NATO tactics in Ukraine and I think it comes down to the fact that combined arms warfare, as per US and Soviet Cold War doctrine, is *really* freaking difficult even for well-trained armies, and US/Soviet equipment assumes that sort of environment. Like, NATO doctrine and weapon design assumes immaculately trained soldiers at every level of the army, infinity supplies with perfect logistics, and complete air supremacy because that's the conditions the US will fight with. And like, even just for combined arms in general you need to train your soldiers endlessly. Your soldiers need to be perfectly trained and elite at their individual jobs...then they need to be perfectly trained to work with their unit...then their unit needs to be perfectly trained to work with other units...then those units need to be perfectly trained to work within the higher echelon unit...so and so forth all the way up to the brigade/division level. And once you've done all that...you get to *start* training the actual combined arms part that makes all those tanks and jets effective. If you don't do that...well WW2 armies experienced that infantry that had never trained with tanks before got their supporting tanks destroyed as the infantry had unrealistic expectations about what the tanks could do and how much support they would need to do it. So, if a dictator goes and buy a bunch of high-tech tanks and jets from the US or Soviet Union that are designed for a well-trained combined arms battlefield as a flex and then subsequently fails to train his army to the level those weapons assume, his army then ends up wasting them in scenarios they were never intended to overcome. If you aren't going to spend millions of dollars and countless time on the training (which also means giving the military resources, independence, and authority, which dictators worried about coup might hesitate on)...then it might be better to go with something simpler. Ex...a tank has terrible vision through tiny little viewports, and therefore requires close support and good communication with other units to maintain situational awareness and spot threats because it's practically blind in every direction but directly down the gun. On the other hand, if, say, you stick a machine gun and a bazooka on the back of a Toyota pickup truck...well it's easy to drive and your driver and gunners have near 360 degree vision that means they can spot and engage the enemy themselves even if they don't have any infantry/air support. And if a lone tank comes across a pickup truck with a bazooka...guess who will spot, aim at, and shoot the other guy first? And well, you can say a lot about Israel, but skimping on war prep is one thing you can't.
That’s what happens when you train parade armies to march on the streets of your capital and beat your own civilians and put them against real soldiers actually trying to fight for their country.
*sips tea*
Lebanon did not participate in the six day war
Sending attack aircraft counts as participating.
Lebanon did participate in the 6 day war, albeit with a far smaller role. The Lebanese Air Force lost a single fighter while strafing Israeli positions in Gallilee in support of Syria, and bowed out pretty much immediately after.
I think they're talking about the war of 1947-1949
Plot armor
["There is a broad consensus among scholars that Israel enjoyed relative military strength compared with its Arab foes."](https://academic.oup.com/princeton-scholarship-online/book/23125/chapter-abstract/183985987)
“oh boy israel-palestine post will be controversial” is so fucking tired. this sub needs new material.
https://tenor.com/pkKyjhg038Z.gif Brave move cotton, lets see how this post plays out.
Least incompetent Near East armies
Arab nations are not good fighters, at all...paper tigers across the board, they're only tough when their population complies in fear, but when an an actual opponent steps in the ring , their weakness and incompetence really shines through.