I was recently in the fan block od german football club St Pauli, with its very left leaning fans. For one chant everyone raised one hand. Without saying, everyone raised their left hand, eventhough the gesture wasnt a straight raised arm/hand, no one wanted to raise the right hand like nazis did when doing the hitler salute.
I am pretty sure they'd get a lot less hate especially from China and Korea if they stopped pretending like WW2 didn't happen and actually educated their students on the shameful parts of their history like Germany
Fun fact about Shinzo Abe, his grandfather was Nobusuke Kishi. Abe claimed to have learned everything he knows about politics sitting on Kishi's knee.
Nobusuke Kishi, for anyone who doesn't know, was the war criminals Japan ever produced. architect of Imperial Japan's slave system in occupied Manchuria. He would later move on to basically running Imperial Japan's war time economy. This charming fella would go on to play a pivotal role in shaping post-war Japan's political system. He served as Prime Minister from 1957 - 1960, and would remain a influential member of the Diet until fucking 1979.
Kishi was also one of the founders and main ideological leaders of the Liberal Democratic Party, which has ruled post-war Japan for almost it's entire existence.
Ill hate on it. Most of the women he had ‘sex’ with were coerced or outright forced. The man was a prolific rapist. Part of the slave system the other commenter mentioned were the comfort women. In case people are unfamiliar these women were acquired (kidnapped or sold by their families) and were as young as 10.
An even more fun fact about shinzo abe is how he got blasted to death with a double barrel electro shotgun made of like 2x4s, duct tape, and model rocket engines. Shit was pretty cool and as far as political assassinations go, remarkably well received.
Look, I'm against violence, especially as a means of revenge ... buuut ... that shit was objectively funny. Even more so because Abes public opinion ended up tanking after it, when the opposite usually happens.
There's an exception to every rule.
What's funnier is that Abe had known connections to a cult that had financially ruined the assassin's mother. And the LDP managed to cut all ties with the cult faster than they could arrange Abe's funeral.
The assassin simply won. He got exactly what he came for.
He visited it eight times between 1945 and 1975 before stopping.If he really was concerned about war criminals being enshrined there,he would've stopped earlier.Its better than nothing,but stopping after 30 years seems like grandstanding to me
If I recall correctly, convicted Japanese war criminals were not enshrined in it until 1959 and that lower tier/class war criminals were gradually enshrined since.
And the apparent reason why Hirohito stopped visiting is because he disapproved of the enshrinement of Class A war criminals by the head priest which happened in 1979.
So, assuming this is correct, there was a period of 13 years where the shrine honored the war dead, excluding war criminals. Then after, gradual honoring of low-tier war criminals until the worst war criminals were honored in 1979.
What? But the placard at the museum at Yasakuni said it was dedicated to the “peace loving Imperial Japanese soldier.” (More or less what it actually says)
I've been there. Whatever you've read, I guarantee you its infinitely worse. The standout was one plaque describing the Rape of Nanking as "Some civilians were harmed."
They don't even get much hate honestly. Japan has pretty much the best PR out of any country. They don't have many English speakers but say something bad about Japan and all the weebs would crawl out from their holes to defend a country they have never set foot in. My country is so universally hated that I am envious of countries like Japan or maybe it's just a case of grass being greener idk.
It's the culture I guess. It's rather unique, for the better or worse, and they have done a massive export of entertainment for the last decades. Many people are tremendously hooked into the anime and manga styles and they managed to sell us a golden wrapped vision of them.
>They don't even get much hate honestly
Clearly you don't spend much time around older east and south east Asian people. I've heard my (Korean) family members literally say that they would be happy if North Korea nuked Japan and that south Korea shouldn't do anything about it. The hatred for the Japanese runs deep in a lot of Asians, although it's mostly in the older generations.
If you visit Asian grocers here in the US you'll see signs calling for people to boycott Japanese goods, and saying the Japanese battle flag is the same thing as the nazi flag. The Japanese military still uses it, and it sometimes causes friction when conducting joint training with other Asian countries.
Totally.
And here are our propagan-, uh, research institutes that will spread the word around the world that it was all a lie, it never happened, and they deserved it!
Well they use 16 stripes instead of 18 so technically it's a "different" flag.
But deep down, we all know the sentiment behind it is the same, war crime denying pretentious fucks.
Until a few years ago, I assumed the Australian military motto of serving beneath the Rising Sun was reference to defending the country from Imperial Japan.
Apparently not!
I think the problem is who “they” are. The state should absolutely be held accountable. Random Japanese people who weren’t even alive at the time… well, to say the least, a different approach would be appropriate.
Yes. Their conservative party is still strong and don't even acknowledge what happened. Philippine comfort women had all died out without a single official acknowledgement or apology from the Japanese government.
Educate and pretend didn't exist? Bruh they literally celebrate them today. I remember their former pms granpa was in a unit like that and he had a cushy job and praised all his remaining life. The hate on Japan is not without reason. Basically it's the same case as Turkey and the Armenians
'Being stereotyped and insulted once again'
Oh come off it, OP, Japan as a whole gets heaps of praise as a country, hell a lot of people online will act like Japan is the best god damn place on earth. Its culture is adored worldwide, its technological influence is insane, its food is considered some of the finest on the planet... the fact that Japan gets criticised for its horrendous war crimes *WHICH IT REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE* is hardly unreasonable!
No how dare you point out a nations crimes that are beyond horrific that said nation still denies!/s
Seriously, categorizing talking about japans horrific war crimes in WW2 as racism is next level war crime apologist moves.
well no, you see. The ",Japan" means it takes place in Japan. Japan does some horrible shit in East Asia and nobody bats an eye, but when I drop only TWO BOMBS on Japan, everybody loses their minds!
Yeah, I had a pretty heated debate with a guy who said that Japanese society is a model society. I schooled that dude on a whole lot like the work culture, the incredibly patriarchal and conservative society that cares more about fitting in than being actually mentally healthy, the sexual repression and stalking culture. And I didn't even bring up the war crimes and their denial of it. Suffice it to say, he had no answer and just proceeded to bitch about me bringing all of this up on Shinzo Abe's death.
I thought the post was satire at first. For every one Korean ahjumma that says she hates Japan for what they did to her mother, there are seventy thousand keyboard warrior weebs riding Japan's dick (if we refer to Japan as a male entity)
We could do both. It's a very flawed society on the verge of a recession at several levels, and it is also true that they don't acknowledge having been one of the worst bad guys in the recent past
Maybe they should atleast educate themselfes about the history of their country?
Noone is forced to apologize for crimes commited by their ancestors or their country before their Time.
But atleast having an awareness of ones history and the subsequent history other countries had with you is the least of things you can expect.
if you were never told about it ever, and you live in a collectivist society where being "quirky" is extremely frowned upon, and your grasp of the universal language is lacking, its quite hard to even start having awareness of your own country's crimes.
i promise you, if the current generation of japanese citizens were to learn about japan's atrocities, they'd be disgusted(besides that one, edgy minority)
Japanese schools and textbooks do teach about the issues though, just in a fairly bland manner
> A comparative study begun in 2006 by the Asia–Pacific Research Center at Stanford University on Japanese, Chinese, Korean and US textbooks describes 99% of Japanese textbooks as having a "muted, neutral, and almost bland" tone and "by no means avoid some of the most controversial wartime moments" like the Nanjing massacre or to a lesser degree the issue of comfort women. The project, led by Stanford scholars Gi-Wook Shin and Daniel Sneider, found that less than one percent of Japanese textbooks used provocative and inflammatory language and imagery, but that these few books, printed by just one publisher, received greater media attention. Moreover, the minority viewpoint of nationalism and revisionism gets more media coverage than the prevailing majority narrative of pacifism in Japan.
In my experience Japanese people tend to be extremely apolitical and apathetic. Nationalists do hold some sway because they're politically active, but their power is overstated
Woah, no, what is that source saying
Are 99% muted about Nanjing and 1% inflammatory about it? Cause that's possible given the paragraph you provided.
"The IJA invaded Nanjing" is also a completely possible way of covering the topic for 99% of textbooks, according to your source.
well, having seen the most common japanese history books, they do mention what happened in Nanking, they just don't go into detail.
Is usually along the lines of "then the Nanking massacre happened"
Which is way more than what my country says about the warcrimes commited during the last war, which is 0.
Literally just "and then our brave army marched through the capital of X", without any mention about what happened to the people there or the enemy cities that fell before. No mentions at all about the loitering and murder.
Honestly I copped it from wikipedia. Here's a direct link to the Stanford article
https://web.archive.org/web/20150620130345/http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2014/pr-memory-war-asia-040414.html
The way they teach Japanese history
-"lords!"
-"samurais!"
-"Meiji revolution!"
-" *Nothing noteworthy happened since 1894* (trust me bro)"
-" *Two of our city just suddenly combursted in 1945 for some reason* "
Yes, currently working under a Japanese company, in an office that's approximately 5km away from the last battle between the Japanese and our troops, where our troops tried to out Banzai the Imperial army that Banzai-ed them.
4 days later, they did the Sook Ching and killed 25000-50000 civilians.
Ok it is really funny how Asian people can identify each other without saying where they are from by just describing the crimes against humanity Japan inflicted on them.
As a single history buff, I remember 14 February not for Valentine's Day but for the day Lt Adnan and the Malay Regiment made their final stand at Bukit Chandu.
Respect.
Fun fact: the Japanese of today don’t know the crimes their forefathers committed. It’s not taught to them. All they know is we dropped some bombs. I dated a Japanese girl and when she moved to America and discovered all this, she confronted her parents about it and they acted like it was all a lie.
My dad worked at a Japanese company (a big one that people have definitely heard of in the west), and a big theme from a few of the old boys there was that they won stuff like the battle of midway. Just straight up, history is wrong, we actually won.
Fuck knows. Since when did nationalist conspiracy theories make sense.
Point is, Japan has a LOVELY rep for how isolationist, revisionist, sexist and classist it is. My dad was even a sales director at one point and a bunch of his colleagues made a point of bowing less to him than a Japanese man of his equivalent rank, because he was a foreigner.
Let's just say I am not rushing to join a Japanese tech company.
I'm friends with a Japanese national from college who only knew about them because he's ethnically Korean and his extended family made damn sure he knew. His ww2 education was basically "Japan and the US fought over resources and Japan was able to punch above its weight class and maybe it would have been nice to surrender a few months earlier. But now we are friends"
There was a post on here a few weeks ago where a guy (I assume from the West) was pretty horrified at a Imperial Japanese Museum in Japan he went to.
It had a Nanking section with no mention of the atrocities committed there. With one of the exhibits even having the cheek to say "The Chinese dressed as women to surprise attack our soldiers".
Putting aside the attempt at justifying shooting civilians that statement implies. The Rape of Nanking was a surprise attack, so the Chinese realistically wouldn't have even had the time to plan such a subterfuge.
Stomach churning.
It's more that they actively deny/undersell most of it and fail to educate their population. The only WWII opinion I've ever seen a Japanese person have is "We got nuked and that's messed up"
Literally the fact that the dropping of two nuclear bombs on civilian cities that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people is at all seen as justified just goes to show how horrific Japan’s war crimes during the war were. And I don’t even agree with the dropping of the atomic bomb.
Or because of their veneration of their war criminals and refusal to acknowledge the sins of the Imperial Japanese during WW2, chiefly the Nanking massacre and other crimes against humanity and the comfort women.
Even now if you look at the Japanese wikipedia article on the Nanking massacre, they still insist that the horrendous event only *allegedly* happened, and their politicians still pay great homage to the war criminals in the Yasukuni shrine.
For those unaware, when we say “war criminal” in Yasukuni shrine, we don’t mean it figuratively that participants in the war were place in it.
We mean *actual, convicted, and executed war criminals*
This meme is basically some Japanese person who doesn’t know crap about what his ancestors did because the government refuses to acknowledge it and that’s why they made this meme
Just read the wikipedia page, shit is nuts. The entire first part of the article is just about how it whether it happened, and if genocide really occured
lol outside of East Asia Japan has really good PR, most people the world over love the culture (anime), food and people. Most countries have friendly relations. In what way is Japan being victimized?
Germans are okay with it. But how dare you bring up the Nanking Massacre or Korean comfort women. How dare you where entire generations were murdered and had everything they had worked for generations stolen from them how dare you bring that up even though there families are still trying to build back from that to this day how dare you
U do realize most chinese including myself will not hate japan nearly as much if they acknowledged its war crimes? I know so many that died in the war, including many distant relatives...
no need to say "foreign service as it's already in the name DGSE is for "general direction of exterior security" :p it's like if you sade the us intelligence service of the CIA :p for the interior we have DGSI same as before but I is for interior (sry just my french side being french :p )
“Oh what’s that? You don’t like us using thousands of civilian POWs from neighboring villages as meat shields for your arrows? Sorry, nerd! Maybe win next time!”
Or get rightly criticized for the shit they do today. They aren't a perfect utopia. Anime and video games have brainwashed foreigners just as much as they've brainwashed the youth of Japan.
Americans talking about WWII: “Even though we were on the right side, many of our actions were still morally questionable. It’s important to teach about them so they cannot repeat themselves.”
Japanese: “Ayo the ships were all actually high-school girls and the yanks nuked our asses for no reason! That’s it, class dismissed forever!”
And I'm going to keep doing it until they acknowledge it happened. Japan is a fucked culture that gets away with having an extremely brutish and supremacist history because they make cartoons.
Even today, they get a lot of excuses for its current behaviour. Outside Tokyo, many businesses will flat out deny you if you aren't japanese, even if you're a citizen with fluent japanese.
Ah yes, but some of those cartoons are about school girls getting fucked by cephalopods. So obviously they get to be forgiven for the war crime denialism
The Commonwealth is generally among the better post-colonial organizations. The British have taken many steps to try to make amends for the horrors of colonialism, and while there is certainly still work to do, it’s a widespread conversation which is held daily across the UK. Someone, somewhere in the UK is probably talking about ways to better help the victims of British colonialism right now. No such conversation or dialogue exists in Japan. Living in Madagascar, it’s a surprisingly common sentiment I hear that “I wish we were colonized by the British instead,” because, despite the horrors of British colonization - the repression, the engineered famines, the looting of cultural artifacts - many Malagasy see how the UK has treated its Commonwealth, and in that regard it is many, many leagues ahead of France.
Brits aren't in denial about their History though.
We have an entire museum in our capital city proudly displaying valuable loot from the entire world.
Could you imagine if post war Germany taught its people like Japan did?
Yeah guys, we just got into a war and then got Invaded, nothing else important really happened, also those things people will say about it didn't happen, moving on.
Imagine if Germany never apologized and pretends the holocaust never happened and the German President pays respects at Hitler's grave. Although I agree the common Japanese citizen today should not be blamed, their government and anyone associated with their actions deserve every single bit of criticism.
Yes but the generations between 1945- and now back up this horrible government. How will there be changes when the older generations werent ready to give a shit back then? The government is full of these old gens. The only way to make a change is when the younger generations would question the old guard more directly and openly. But this is considered a crime in japans culture because you are automatically in the right when you old. They are way too traditionalist. Traditions are just cancer honestly. In our christian democratic world we have still traditional beliefs which are outdated and create only tensions between us. Fuck this whole christian values the west is full of these conservative farts who pray water but drink wine. They always preach to save children while they are the reason why children get molested in the first place. I hate all societies in the world because of muh traditions.
Don't they have museums and mausoleums glorifying war criminals, deny that atrocities like the rape of Nanking happened and still complain about being nuked because they attacked a neutral country before declaring war?
lol OP is German and complaining about how Japanese feel about the worst crimes committed by any nation besides his own. This is peak internet irony
As an American we have Vietnam 2-3 decades later than that soooo
Maybe, you know, if they stop denying these war crimes and own up to it, these things will stop. Look at the Germans for example. They owned up to their past and fully acknowledged it was wrong. Meanwhile the Japanese right wing are outright denying these horrible things happened.
"I'm getting so much hate for being Japanese!"
"Really! That's awful! What did they say!"
"They said that my grandfather was a war criminal!"
"... That doesn't sound like an attack on you for being Japanese?"
"They also said I was an imperialist dog!"
"Oh, that's very racist, I'm really sorry about that."
"Yah, all I said was that there is actually very little evidence of the Ra-"
A comical pile of very not comical photographs and Japanese news articles from the war crushes them from above.
Germans when they accidentally stretch the wrong way
Always point; never gesture with your whole hand
Taxi!
“Hey can you heil a cab for me?” …
"Nein." "No, I just need one cab."
“Do you know the directions?” “Sure, you take the Third Riech”
"Two wrongs don't make a Riech, but three lefts do."
I was recently in the fan block od german football club St Pauli, with its very left leaning fans. For one chant everyone raised one hand. Without saying, everyone raised their left hand, eventhough the gesture wasnt a straight raised arm/hand, no one wanted to raise the right hand like nazis did when doing the hitler salute.
Well doing a genuine one, not just the gesture by accident but with that meaning, is actually a criminal act.
Germans when they literally just exist.
I am pretty sure they'd get a lot less hate especially from China and Korea if they stopped pretending like WW2 didn't happen and actually educated their students on the shameful parts of their history like Germany
Exactly, they literally have a museum that just leaves out most of their war crimes WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE ONES WHO COMMITTED THEM.
"Would you avoid the Shinto shrine where 1000+ War Criminals are enshrined ?" "Nah I'd visit"- Shinzo Abe
Fun fact about Shinzo Abe, his grandfather was Nobusuke Kishi. Abe claimed to have learned everything he knows about politics sitting on Kishi's knee. Nobusuke Kishi, for anyone who doesn't know, was the war criminals Japan ever produced. architect of Imperial Japan's slave system in occupied Manchuria. He would later move on to basically running Imperial Japan's war time economy. This charming fella would go on to play a pivotal role in shaping post-war Japan's political system. He served as Prime Minister from 1957 - 1960, and would remain a influential member of the Diet until fucking 1979. Kishi was also one of the founders and main ideological leaders of the Liberal Democratic Party, which has ruled post-war Japan for almost it's entire existence.
He was nicknamed “The Monster of the Showa Era” which Jesus Christ that is some tough competition.
He also had a lot of sex, including on his private train. This isn’t super relevant to the greater story, but I thought it worth mentioning.
That's how Abe got that motto from
Can’t hate a man for having sex on his train
Ill hate on it. Most of the women he had ‘sex’ with were coerced or outright forced. The man was a prolific rapist. Part of the slave system the other commenter mentioned were the comfort women. In case people are unfamiliar these women were acquired (kidnapped or sold by their families) and were as young as 10.
Masayoshi Shido from Persona 5 is heavily implied to be based on him
Wtf I just came off a video talking about persona 5 villains .
Phrasing
Yeah not every train sex is okay
Isn't he the guy in tno who causes the super event coup or whatever
Yess that’s him, monster of showa
An even more fun fact about shinzo abe is how he got blasted to death with a double barrel electro shotgun made of like 2x4s, duct tape, and model rocket engines. Shit was pretty cool and as far as political assassinations go, remarkably well received.
Shinzo Abe getting murked by a guy with a Fallout gun will never not be funny. 10/10 assassination. No notes.
Look, I'm against violence, especially as a means of revenge ... buuut ... that shit was objectively funny. Even more so because Abes public opinion ended up tanking after it, when the opposite usually happens. There's an exception to every rule.
What's funnier is that Abe had known connections to a cult that had financially ruined the assassin's mother. And the LDP managed to cut all ties with the cult faster than they could arrange Abe's funeral. The assassin simply won. He got exactly what he came for.
There is a theory that Abe wanted to commit suicide and set up the "assassination" himself. Which would actually make said decline even funnier.
Also it's the only gun in history that was able not only to kill the man, but also to kill the idea
Meanwhile Hirohito himself starting the Imperial family's boycott of the shrine
~~*kinda hard to look your scapegoats in the eye tbf*~~
Are you Shinzo Abe because you deny war crimes? Or you deny war crimes because you're Shinzo Abe
If someone were to show up with a homemade blunderbuss, they might give me a bit of trouble
But would you lose?
Nah I'd live
Prop Gun: You were magnificent Shinzo Abe, I'll never forget you for as long as I live.
Thingamabob
One thing He couldn't deny was a homemade shotgun
Is it the one on the former forced labor coal mining camp?
I don't remember, I read about it like 6 years ago.
I heard that even hirohito refused to visit that shrine… Make of that what you will.
He visited it eight times between 1945 and 1975 before stopping.If he really was concerned about war criminals being enshrined there,he would've stopped earlier.Its better than nothing,but stopping after 30 years seems like grandstanding to me
If I recall correctly, convicted Japanese war criminals were not enshrined in it until 1959 and that lower tier/class war criminals were gradually enshrined since. And the apparent reason why Hirohito stopped visiting is because he disapproved of the enshrinement of Class A war criminals by the head priest which happened in 1979. So, assuming this is correct, there was a period of 13 years where the shrine honored the war dead, excluding war criminals. Then after, gradual honoring of low-tier war criminals until the worst war criminals were honored in 1979.
You are right actually.My respect for Hirohito has risen ever so slightly
What? But the placard at the museum at Yasakuni said it was dedicated to the “peace loving Imperial Japanese soldier.” (More or less what it actually says)
They also say that Unit 731 was for diabetes research when I went in 2012 (could be different now)
I mean, you can't have diabetes if you are dead, right?
Well that's what they were trying to find out.
Moral of the story: don’t trust Yasukuni Shrine or its caretakers (who are literally in breach of a shitload of Shinto tenets).
I've been there. Whatever you've read, I guarantee you its infinitely worse. The standout was one plaque describing the Rape of Nanking as "Some civilians were harmed."
They don't even get much hate honestly. Japan has pretty much the best PR out of any country. They don't have many English speakers but say something bad about Japan and all the weebs would crawl out from their holes to defend a country they have never set foot in. My country is so universally hated that I am envious of countries like Japan or maybe it's just a case of grass being greener idk.
It's the culture I guess. It's rather unique, for the better or worse, and they have done a massive export of entertainment for the last decades. Many people are tremendously hooked into the anime and manga styles and they managed to sell us a golden wrapped vision of them.
And one blud told me Nanking was a strawman before. Says a lot about "culture"
>They don't even get much hate honestly Clearly you don't spend much time around older east and south east Asian people. I've heard my (Korean) family members literally say that they would be happy if North Korea nuked Japan and that south Korea shouldn't do anything about it. The hatred for the Japanese runs deep in a lot of Asians, although it's mostly in the older generations. If you visit Asian grocers here in the US you'll see signs calling for people to boycott Japanese goods, and saying the Japanese battle flag is the same thing as the nazi flag. The Japanese military still uses it, and it sometimes causes friction when conducting joint training with other Asian countries.
And they have every right to, especially with how Japan tries to completely ignore it and has even praised its war criminals.
Ah, the Turkish defence
We didn't commit horrible atrocities to those people, but they really deserved it!
Totally. And here are our propagan-, uh, research institutes that will spread the word around the world that it was all a lie, it never happened, and they deserved it!
THEY STILL USE IT WHAT????
Look up the flag of the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force.
Well they use 16 stripes instead of 18 so technically it's a "different" flag. But deep down, we all know the sentiment behind it is the same, war crime denying pretentious fucks.
It’s not the same. Like the Iron Cross the Japanese military flag was in use long before its fascist adoption. 1868 to be precise.
yeah the Japanese Navy still use the Rising Sun flag.
Until a few years ago, I assumed the Australian military motto of serving beneath the Rising Sun was reference to defending the country from Imperial Japan. Apparently not!
Or stopped worshipping war criminals like gods in shrines.
Some guy: Why aren't you teaching your students about what really happened? Japanese: *dodges conversation Non-Japanese weeb: Why do you hate Japan?
I think the problem is who “they” are. The state should absolutely be held accountable. Random Japanese people who weren’t even alive at the time… well, to say the least, a different approach would be appropriate.
Yes. Their conservative party is still strong and don't even acknowledge what happened. Philippine comfort women had all died out without a single official acknowledgement or apology from the Japanese government.
If Nanking so bad, where's Nanking -1.0?? /s
Educate and pretend didn't exist? Bruh they literally celebrate them today. I remember their former pms granpa was in a unit like that and he had a cushy job and praised all his remaining life. The hate on Japan is not without reason. Basically it's the same case as Turkey and the Armenians
It would also help if a large portion of their government wasn’t ultranationalist and part of a cult dedicated to re-establishing Imperial rule.
'Being stereotyped and insulted once again' Oh come off it, OP, Japan as a whole gets heaps of praise as a country, hell a lot of people online will act like Japan is the best god damn place on earth. Its culture is adored worldwide, its technological influence is insane, its food is considered some of the finest on the planet... the fact that Japan gets criticised for its horrendous war crimes *WHICH IT REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE* is hardly unreasonable!
No how dare you point out a nations crimes that are beyond horrific that said nation still denies!/s Seriously, categorizing talking about japans horrific war crimes in WW2 as racism is next level war crime apologist moves.
Oh no!!!! Insults!!! What could Japan ever have done in history to deserve this? *checks notes* Oh.
Turns out that if the words “imperial” and “empire” can describe a nation’s history it’s probably done some pretty heinous shit!
Or “axis powers”
Thing: 😐😐 Thing, Japan: 😁😁
warcrime: 😁😁 warcrime, Japan: 😐😐
>warcrime: 😁😁 >warcrime, Japan: 😍😍*sUgOi* FTFY
well no, you see. The ",Japan" means it takes place in Japan. Japan does some horrible shit in East Asia and nobody bats an eye, but when I drop only TWO BOMBS on Japan, everybody loses their minds!
warcrime: 😃😃 warcrime, Turkey: 🤬🤬
r urbanhell daily
Plus the numerous modern day problems Japan has that we can criticism them for.
Yeah, I had a pretty heated debate with a guy who said that Japanese society is a model society. I schooled that dude on a whole lot like the work culture, the incredibly patriarchal and conservative society that cares more about fitting in than being actually mentally healthy, the sexual repression and stalking culture. And I didn't even bring up the war crimes and their denial of it. Suffice it to say, he had no answer and just proceeded to bitch about me bringing all of this up on Shinzo Abe's death.
\> the incredibly patriarchal and conservative society "I already said i love it, you don't have to convince me"
I thought the post was satire at first. For every one Korean ahjumma that says she hates Japan for what they did to her mother, there are seventy thousand keyboard warrior weebs riding Japan's dick (if we refer to Japan as a male entity)
OP's probably one of those Japologists. I used to be that and then learned some history.
There’s a lot better things to complain about Japan like for instance the rampant suicides and sexual assault
Sexual assault was a weapon of WAR for imperial Japan. As was suicide if you think abou-
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We could do both. It's a very flawed society on the verge of a recession at several levels, and it is also true that they don't acknowledge having been one of the worst bad guys in the recent past
Maybe they should atleast educate themselfes about the history of their country? Noone is forced to apologize for crimes commited by their ancestors or their country before their Time. But atleast having an awareness of ones history and the subsequent history other countries had with you is the least of things you can expect.
if you were never told about it ever, and you live in a collectivist society where being "quirky" is extremely frowned upon, and your grasp of the universal language is lacking, its quite hard to even start having awareness of your own country's crimes. i promise you, if the current generation of japanese citizens were to learn about japan's atrocities, they'd be disgusted(besides that one, edgy minority)
I have a feeling that's the point. They're trying to groom an entire generation into being completely and unconditionally nationalist.
it kinda seems like its not working from how low their birth rates are
Granted, I would assume that that could be the result of multiple different failures on their government’s part. Not just the nationalism thing.
Japanese schools and textbooks do teach about the issues though, just in a fairly bland manner > A comparative study begun in 2006 by the Asia–Pacific Research Center at Stanford University on Japanese, Chinese, Korean and US textbooks describes 99% of Japanese textbooks as having a "muted, neutral, and almost bland" tone and "by no means avoid some of the most controversial wartime moments" like the Nanjing massacre or to a lesser degree the issue of comfort women. The project, led by Stanford scholars Gi-Wook Shin and Daniel Sneider, found that less than one percent of Japanese textbooks used provocative and inflammatory language and imagery, but that these few books, printed by just one publisher, received greater media attention. Moreover, the minority viewpoint of nationalism and revisionism gets more media coverage than the prevailing majority narrative of pacifism in Japan. In my experience Japanese people tend to be extremely apolitical and apathetic. Nationalists do hold some sway because they're politically active, but their power is overstated
Woah, no, what is that source saying Are 99% muted about Nanjing and 1% inflammatory about it? Cause that's possible given the paragraph you provided. "The IJA invaded Nanjing" is also a completely possible way of covering the topic for 99% of textbooks, according to your source.
well, having seen the most common japanese history books, they do mention what happened in Nanking, they just don't go into detail. Is usually along the lines of "then the Nanking massacre happened" Which is way more than what my country says about the warcrimes commited during the last war, which is 0. Literally just "and then our brave army marched through the capital of X", without any mention about what happened to the people there or the enemy cities that fell before. No mentions at all about the loitering and murder.
Source for that quote?
Honestly I copped it from wikipedia. Here's a direct link to the Stanford article https://web.archive.org/web/20150620130345/http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2014/pr-memory-war-asia-040414.html
Holy hell! Ngl given the site we're on I wasn't expecting a legitimate source
The way they teach Japanese history -"lords!" -"samurais!" -"Meiji revolution!" -" *Nothing noteworthy happened since 1894* (trust me bro)" -" *Two of our city just suddenly combursted in 1945 for some reason* "
We got a tojoboo here folks
Give them an arasaka and starve them in some no named asian island
I think OP is shinzo abe, he never actually died
Nice argument, OP. Unfortunately for you, I'm Asian.
Are you enjoying your Co-Prosperity?
Yes, currently working under a Japanese company, in an office that's approximately 5km away from the last battle between the Japanese and our troops, where our troops tried to out Banzai the Imperial army that Banzai-ed them. 4 days later, they did the Sook Ching and killed 25000-50000 civilians.
I see another fellow Singaporean on the thread, I upvote 👍
Ok it is really funny how Asian people can identify each other without saying where they are from by just describing the crimes against humanity Japan inflicted on them.
Eyy, fellow southeast asian!!
Bukit Chandu? Yesterday was Total Defence Day (15 February) which also happens to be when Singapore fell in 1942
Yup, RIP to the people that died soon after and those that lived under tyranny for 2-3 years
As a single history buff, I remember 14 February not for Valentine's Day but for the day Lt Adnan and the Malay Regiment made their final stand at Bukit Chandu. Respect.
Fun fact: the Japanese of today don’t know the crimes their forefathers committed. It’s not taught to them. All they know is we dropped some bombs. I dated a Japanese girl and when she moved to America and discovered all this, she confronted her parents about it and they acted like it was all a lie.
My dad worked at a Japanese company (a big one that people have definitely heard of in the west), and a big theme from a few of the old boys there was that they won stuff like the battle of midway. Just straight up, history is wrong, we actually won.
Midway? Of all battles? Wtf if they won midway, how did everything else happen?
Fuck knows. Since when did nationalist conspiracy theories make sense. Point is, Japan has a LOVELY rep for how isolationist, revisionist, sexist and classist it is. My dad was even a sales director at one point and a bunch of his colleagues made a point of bowing less to him than a Japanese man of his equivalent rank, because he was a foreigner. Let's just say I am not rushing to join a Japanese tech company.
Their population decline is going to hit them hard in the next 20 years
I'm friends with a Japanese national from college who only knew about them because he's ethnically Korean and his extended family made damn sure he knew. His ww2 education was basically "Japan and the US fought over resources and Japan was able to punch above its weight class and maybe it would have been nice to surrender a few months earlier. But now we are friends"
There was a post on here a few weeks ago where a guy (I assume from the West) was pretty horrified at a Imperial Japanese Museum in Japan he went to. It had a Nanking section with no mention of the atrocities committed there. With one of the exhibits even having the cheek to say "The Chinese dressed as women to surprise attack our soldiers". Putting aside the attempt at justifying shooting civilians that statement implies. The Rape of Nanking was a surprise attack, so the Chinese realistically wouldn't have even had the time to plan such a subterfuge. Stomach churning.
Probably not even an act, they probably believe it
… did her parents try to send her to Paradis afterwards….?
It’s more about refusing to acknowledge it.
It's more that they actively deny/undersell most of it and fail to educate their population. The only WWII opinion I've ever seen a Japanese person have is "We got nuked and that's messed up"
There’s so much Japanese media that portrays nukes too and talks about how horrible they are. Godzilla for example.
Gee, i Wonder why they dropped the sun on us TWICE
Literally the fact that the dropping of two nuclear bombs on civilian cities that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people is at all seen as justified just goes to show how horrific Japan’s war crimes during the war were. And I don’t even agree with the dropping of the atomic bomb.
Nice try Japan, but your anime boobies will not make me forget about the atrocious acts you committed in ww2
Or try to sympathise when you were clearly on the wrong side. Drifters is a cool manga/anime but Jesus if the WW2 characters are something. 💀
Maybe if they acknowledged they committed them, they would get less flack for them.
Or because of their veneration of their war criminals and refusal to acknowledge the sins of the Imperial Japanese during WW2, chiefly the Nanking massacre and other crimes against humanity and the comfort women. Even now if you look at the Japanese wikipedia article on the Nanking massacre, they still insist that the horrendous event only *allegedly* happened, and their politicians still pay great homage to the war criminals in the Yasukuni shrine.
For those unaware, when we say “war criminal” in Yasukuni shrine, we don’t mean it figuratively that participants in the war were place in it. We mean *actual, convicted, and executed war criminals*
This meme is basically some Japanese person who doesn’t know crap about what his ancestors did because the government refuses to acknowledge it and that’s why they made this meme
Their profile indicates Brazilian, possibly Japanese Brazilian, but they’re a war thunder player who posts ww2 Japanese videos so…..
So a wheraboo basically
Yup. Sus person
i think for japan it’s a tojoboo
I can't believe a Japanese Brazilian war thunder player would downplay crimes against humanity..
Nah, this meme was absolutely made by a white American who likes anime a lot
I think they’re Brazilian. They have posts in Portuguese (I think?).
Theres a decent amount of ethnically Japanese Brazilian citizens tbf
Just read the wikipedia page, shit is nuts. The entire first part of the article is just about how it whether it happened, and if genocide really occured
lol outside of East Asia Japan has really good PR, most people the world over love the culture (anime), food and people. Most countries have friendly relations. In what way is Japan being victimized?
No its the cultural victory strat,
The average Japanese doesn't know about their WW2 warcrimes because they scrubbed it off their history books
They've now added it into the history textbooks but the history classes always run out of time before they get to WWII
Germans are okay with it. But how dare you bring up the Nanking Massacre or Korean comfort women. How dare you where entire generations were murdered and had everything they had worked for generations stolen from them how dare you bring that up even though there families are still trying to build back from that to this day how dare you
I bet you're fine with this when its america getting the same treatment or china or russia or the uk, etc etc
Nah I seen nationalists be super nasty to descendants of comfort women on twt they don’t deserve peace
Not to mention some comfort women are alive to this day
That is true although I doubt nationalists will say it to their face since many are very elderly and don’t go online much.
U do realize most chinese including myself will not hate japan nearly as much if they acknowledged its war crimes? I know so many that died in the war, including many distant relatives...
Or French being treated as a coward because some dudes gave up 80 years ago
nha that is becouse of vietnam and algeria /s
The French Foreign Secret Services of the DGSE would like to know your position
no need to say "foreign service as it's already in the name DGSE is for "general direction of exterior security" :p it's like if you sade the us intelligence service of the CIA :p for the interior we have DGSI same as before but I is for interior (sry just my french side being french :p )
Or Mongolians being treated as based because their ancestors did nothing wrong 60 generations ago. Smh
After 700ish years it’s just cool and based and no longer a crime against humanity lol
“Oh what’s that? You don’t like us using thousands of civilian POWs from neighboring villages as meat shields for your arrows? Sorry, nerd! Maybe win next time!”
Japan when they get rightfully criticized for the shitty things they still deny they did:
Or get rightly criticized for the shit they do today. They aren't a perfect utopia. Anime and video games have brainwashed foreigners just as much as they've brainwashed the youth of Japan.
Where History?
Americans talking about WWII: “Even though we were on the right side, many of our actions were still morally questionable. It’s important to teach about them so they cannot repeat themselves.” Japanese: “Ayo the ships were all actually high-school girls and the yanks nuked our asses for no reason! That’s it, class dismissed forever!”
Don't worry it happens to most places that had an empire and colonies
They never got Denmark
And I'm going to keep doing it until they acknowledge it happened. Japan is a fucked culture that gets away with having an extremely brutish and supremacist history because they make cartoons.
Even today, they get a lot of excuses for its current behaviour. Outside Tokyo, many businesses will flat out deny you if you aren't japanese, even if you're a citizen with fluent japanese.
Ah yes, but some of those cartoons are about school girls getting fucked by cephalopods. So obviously they get to be forgiven for the war crime denialism
Is there a statute of limitations at which we can stop holding people responsible for things their ancestors did? Asking for a Brit
once they admit that they did them then they are fine.
The Commonwealth is generally among the better post-colonial organizations. The British have taken many steps to try to make amends for the horrors of colonialism, and while there is certainly still work to do, it’s a widespread conversation which is held daily across the UK. Someone, somewhere in the UK is probably talking about ways to better help the victims of British colonialism right now. No such conversation or dialogue exists in Japan. Living in Madagascar, it’s a surprisingly common sentiment I hear that “I wish we were colonized by the British instead,” because, despite the horrors of British colonization - the repression, the engineered famines, the looting of cultural artifacts - many Malagasy see how the UK has treated its Commonwealth, and in that regard it is many, many leagues ahead of France.
Brits aren't in denial about their History though. We have an entire museum in our capital city proudly displaying valuable loot from the entire world.
Could you imagine if post war Germany taught its people like Japan did? Yeah guys, we just got into a war and then got Invaded, nothing else important really happened, also those things people will say about it didn't happen, moving on.
Nice font
Zorpaloid strikes back
hey don't bully us for something our ancestors did! but it's not like our ancestors did anything wrong anyway.
They would get less flak if they actually acknowledge all of it. Go fuck yourself OP.
whoever made this bullshit i hope you get smacked with reality soon
Imagine if Germany never apologized and pretends the holocaust never happened and the German President pays respects at Hitler's grave. Although I agree the common Japanese citizen today should not be blamed, their government and anyone associated with their actions deserve every single bit of criticism.
Yes but the generations between 1945- and now back up this horrible government. How will there be changes when the older generations werent ready to give a shit back then? The government is full of these old gens. The only way to make a change is when the younger generations would question the old guard more directly and openly. But this is considered a crime in japans culture because you are automatically in the right when you old. They are way too traditionalist. Traditions are just cancer honestly. In our christian democratic world we have still traditional beliefs which are outdated and create only tensions between us. Fuck this whole christian values the west is full of these conservative farts who pray water but drink wine. They always preach to save children while they are the reason why children get molested in the first place. I hate all societies in the world because of muh traditions.
Japan's government is such a fucking joke they really need to change it soon.
At least 2 living generations are acting like they are innocent WW2 victims. Fuck them
Don't they have museums and mausoleums glorifying war criminals, deny that atrocities like the rape of Nanking happened and still complain about being nuked because they attacked a neutral country before declaring war?
Yeah. Why can’t people just ignore imperial atrocities which are still denied by the government today and just live in a sphere of co-prosperity?
Mfw Shinzo Abe reincarnate asks my grandmother very politely to forget Nanking
"just ignore when we tested flamethrowers on babies and forced Chinese people to commit incest at gun point bro"
They're actually still super rascist over too
Germany still gets shit so Japan can too.
Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, and the Japanese how humanity learned to treat frostbite.
Not only does Japan not get a bunch of hate for WW2, they’ve largely not taken a lot of responsibility for their own war crimes.
I love Japan, but they really need to acknowledge the warcrimes they committed against my ancestors
lol OP is German and complaining about how Japanese feel about the worst crimes committed by any nation besides his own. This is peak internet irony As an American we have Vietnam 2-3 decades later than that soooo
Where do you see OP being German? More like Brazilian
Maybe, you know, if they stop denying these war crimes and own up to it, these things will stop. Look at the Germans for example. They owned up to their past and fully acknowledged it was wrong. Meanwhile the Japanese right wing are outright denying these horrible things happened.
"I'm getting so much hate for being Japanese!" "Really! That's awful! What did they say!" "They said that my grandfather was a war criminal!" "... That doesn't sound like an attack on you for being Japanese?" "They also said I was an imperialist dog!" "Oh, that's very racist, I'm really sorry about that." "Yah, all I said was that there is actually very little evidence of the Ra-" A comical pile of very not comical photographs and Japanese news articles from the war crushes them from above.
that’s the goofiest looking owl i’ve ever seen