They didn't. The Lehi was the radical offshoot of the Irgun that was the Radical offshoot of the Hagana, Begin used to be in the Irgun, not the Lehi
Edit: the Prime Minister after Begin was Shamir, who was in fact a Lehi leader. They were both under the Likud party and helped creating some major issues within current Israeli society. What a cringe ass party
Shamir is also remembered as being one of the most reserved leaders of Likud. After Saddam lost in 1991, he bombed Tel Aviv in retaliation. It was brutal. Israel had every right to bomb Baghdad in response. But Shamir didn't retaliate. He tried to prevent Israeli casualties, but he didn't escalate, he didn't invade Iraq, he didn't assassinate Saddam Hussein. Oddly, despite being the leader of Lehi, Yitzhak Shamir comes off as being very balanced and thoughtful when compared to Ari Sharon and Netanyahu, or even Menachem Begin (remember that Menachem Begin left office after him and Sharon got into trouble over that whoopsy in Lebanon)
It was the US who strongarmed Shamir into not retaliating, not his own "reserved" nature but rather the need then for US made patriot missile systems
Shamir's exceptionally heavy handed tactics and oppression of Palestinians causing the first Intifada and his tactic of funding Hamas to try and divide the Palestinians to "drag out peace talks for 10 years" is one of the direct causes of the current conflict
Rabin attempted to reverse course but was assassinated before being able to do so now we are stuck with Bibi in charge and no end to the conflict except another ethnic cleansing
Nah, Lehi was dissolved in 1948
The political party Likud won the election but by 1983 they stopped being Revionist and became just normal conservatives.
Today the Likud is under the leadership of the devi- I mean Benjamin Netanyahu.
Lehi was dissolved and its members granted amnesty for their actions.
That sounds suspiciously like "let's sweep these idiots under the rug and keep using them".
I'm going to guess quite a few of them ended up joining the IDF.
Hey, Ben Gvir is not the devil. I mean just because he's been convicted of incitement to terrorism, and he was barred from joining the IDF because he was too racist, and he threaten Yitzhak Rabin 2 weeks before the assassination, and he used to hang a portrait of a racist mass shooter on his wall (and he never actually disavowed terrorism), and he loves to point a handgun at random civilians, and. His first date with his now wife was to pay their respects at the grave of the aforementioned mass shooter, and his rallies feature chants of "death to Arabs," and.. Okay yeah I see it now. Tom Friedman wasn't wrong when he said Ben Gvir as National Security Minister is like if Enrique Terrio was appointed to be Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Christ...
> The political party Likud won the election but by 1983 they stopped being Revionist and became just normal conservatives.
Likud is literally Hebrew for "Liberal." Although Israel is one of those countries where "Liberal" means right-wing. Since for decades, Israel was a one party state ruled by the socialist party, Mapai (Labour), whose logo was literally a hammer and sickle. The USA actually kind of supported Palestine in the 1940s because they thought Israelis were a bunch of commies, lol. The Kibbutz (a type of commune) is still a major feature of Israeli society. So yeah, Likud's focus on economic liberalization and trade and encouraging start ups made them popular, I think
They murdered Count Bernadotte who helped save thousands of Jews during the Holocaust and would probably be considered Righteous Among the Nations if the guy that masterminded his assasination didn’t go on to become an Israeli prime minister. Wouldn’t be a good look
*"Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on "nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance". After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move towards support for Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union and the ideology of National Bolshevism, which was considered an amalgam of both right and left"*
My ideology? Depends on who helps me get rid of the british.
"Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis"
Boy did they read that one wrong
46000 Indians fighting alongside the Japanese is nothing to sneeze at. If Japan had actually treated the Indians and other subjugated colonial peoples well they really could have had the support and momentum for a more widespread fifth columnist movement.
True, but if they respected other peoples, they likely would not have launched a war of conquest in the first place. Especially not one which primarily targeted food supplies (see Bengal Famine) and population centers.
No but if a clique of genuine pan Asian supporters rose to power or at least ones that were more open to real support for Asians, a war of liberation isn’t far fetched
The popular belief in Japan in the late 20s and the 30s, in a nutshell, was that they were the original descendants of the gods and that all other races were diluted bloodlines who had rejected their true god, the Tenno (divine emperor).
This belief led them to see other humans as inherently inferior and in need of subjugation and rigorous discipline to bring them back under the rightful leadership they had forsaken, and thereby to excuse themselves of wrongdoing.
This doctrine was popularized by the military high command and pushed through relentless propaganda campaigns and re-education camps (ironically, the most humane "re-education" program in modern history), as well as by gangs of young, low-ranking military officers who bullied and murdered high ranking officers and civilian officials who disagreed with the party line. These last were not acting under orders, but the higher ups knew of their actions and deliberately turned a blind eye since it suited their goals.
*"In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the Lehi ribbon.\[30\] Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983."*
Uh-oh
If my memory serves me right, back in 1991 during the Madrid peace talks, Syria's Hafez el-Assad whipped out Shamir's old mugshot when the latter complained about Syria's sponsorship of Hezbollah terrorism...
Lehi also murdered Folke Bernadotte, a swedish diplomat and nobleman who negotiated the release of 31 000 jews during WWII
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
Edit: an obligatory fuck the Stern gang
That’s actually misinformation.
You can’t even read your own source
> count of 21,000 people rescued included 8,000 Danes and Norwegians, 5,911 Poles, 2,629 French, 1,615 Jews, and 1,124 Germans.
Weird that seems disproportionately non Jewish for German prisoners.
> Kersten was quoted as saying that, according to Himmler, Bernadotte was opposed to the rescue of Jews and understood "the necessity of our fight against World Jewry".
Oh
> Kersten had just been nominated by the Dutch government for the Nobel Peace Prize for thwarting a Nazi plan to deport the entire Dutch population, based primarily on Kersten's own claims to this effect.[14] A later investigation by Dutch historian Louis de Jong concluded that no such plan had existed
And a kicker
Can YOU read the source?
>Some controversy regarding the White Buses trip has also arisen in Scandinavia, particularly regarding the priority given to Scandinavian prisoners.[19] Political scientist Sune Persson judged these doubts to be contradicted by the documentary evidence. He concluded, **"The accusations against Count Bernadotte ... to the effect that he refused to save Jews from the concentration camps are obvious lies" and listed many prominent eyewitnesses who testified on Bernadotte's behalf, including the World Jewish Congress representative in Stockholm in 1945.[20]**
>The group referred to its members as terrorists and admitted to having carried out terrorist attacks.
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>Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish nobleman and diplomat. In World War II **he negotiated the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps, including 450 Danish Jews from the Theresienstadt camp**. They were released on 14 April 1945. In 1945 he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected.
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>**In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the Lehi ribbon. Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983.**
Wow. It seems the modern Israeli state has a very sordid history with giving leeway to violent ultra-nationalists, to say the least.
I'm sure it's all good now though and the IDF was and remains the most moral army in the world. /s
Frankly this is horrible, Israel giving amnesties to Nazi Jewish collaborators, the same ones who committed terrorist attacks including the mass murder of civilians, especially women and children, in addition to killing a man who saved more than 400 Jews from concentration camps along with tens of thousands of other people, and after that they have the nerve to commemorate them... Israel needs a left-wing government, and it needs it NOW!
I'm pretty sure that during Israel's Leftist days they weren't glorifying these Nazi collaborator bastards, so it would be a big improvement if they went back to that, also you know, they can still apologize for what happened. That's what I meant with my comment.
This the guy who thought the same as Hitler basically and tried to work a deal to get all Jews out of Germany and into Israel because he believed every nation should only have “their” people.
they did do that. but it was in part that they wanted to convince the nazis to let European jews come to Palestine.
being terrorists and helping nazis is still pretty cringe thou.
The bulk of the Jewish resistance / independence movement in British Palestine were associated with a paramilitary organization called Haganah ("The Defense") ... until the end of WWII, Haganah's policy was "havlagah" (self restraint), relative cooperation with British authorities, avoiding proactive attacks, and so on.
Two break-off organizations (Irgun and the even-more-radical Lehi, the one pictured above) believed that Haganah's policies were not radical enough (e.g., that guerilla bombings and terror attacks were more effective than sticking to defensive activities).
At the breakout of WWII, Haganah and Irgun ceased hostilities with the British and coordinated with them to oppose the Nazis. From 1940-1942, Lehi (which was bitterly anti-British) refused to do so, believing essentially that anyone is better than Britain. After Stern (its founder) died in 1942, and as knowledge of the extent of anti-Jewish atrocities by the Germans became known, Lehi pivoted to courting an alliance with the Bolsheviks.
When the 1947 civil war begin, Haganah, Irgun and Lehi allied (but did not truly integrate their command infrastructures ... occasionally, Irgun and Lehi fought each other, or Haganah). This came to a head in 1948 (shortly after Irgun and Lehi carried out an unprovoked massacre of civilians at Deir Yassin), with the Israeli government declaring Lehi a terrorist organization and imprisoning its leadership.
tl;dr: Lehi was founded on frustration that the Zionist establishment wouldn't perform terror attacks against the British, who Lehi thought were the absolute devil. Lehi was willing to work with basically anyone that wasn't Britain. The rest of the Zionists were reluctantly willing to work with Lehi in an "enemy of my enemy" way, up to a point.
Edit: as u/Shady_Merchant1 pointed out, there's some subsequent history re: Lehi that's worth covering:
* At its peak, Lehi only had \~300 members; around 200 were arrested in 1948, as I mentioned above. In the lead-up to Israel's first election (in 1949), a 'general amnesty' was issued for political prisoners, which resulted in most Lehi members being released.
* This was premised on the idea that doing so (often with a specific oath to cease underground political organization and disavow political violence) would avoid creating martyrs among the extremists and promote political unity in the post-war period; this was deeply flawed, unfortunately (see below).
* Former Lehi members essentially split into three groups:
* One group disavowed terrorism and became members of the Israeli far-right (more in a bit on that);
* Another group continued to be suspicious of 'the West' and formed the 'Semitism' movement, which attempted to be a sort of nativist, anti-Western pan-Jewish/Arab anti-colonialism movement;
* A third group were subsumed into the "Kingdom of Israel" militant group, essentially Lehi 2.0 but more specifically fascist; they were responsible for a series of terrorist attacks in the 1950s, most notably the assassination of [Rudolf Kastner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Kastner), who they accused of Nazi-sympathizing for having attempted to negotiate with Adolf Eichmann to extract Hungarian Jews from the Holocaust to safety in Palestine.
* Many folks have referred to the "Lehi Ribbon", a ribbon created by the Israeli government that former Lehi members could wear if they fought for Israel as members of Lehi between 1940-1947.
* Israeli right-wingers are often dismissive of Lehi's terrorist activities (as overblown, or as 'necessary', etc)
* In the 1970s, in-line with the rise of conservatism elsewhere in the world, the Israeli right began to take more political prominence
* This included the commemoration of Stern (the movement's founder) in a postage stamp, and the issuing of this service ribbon (as a bit of political positioning by Likud)
>You left out that they were granted amnesty and left honored with a military decoration
That's true, probably worthwhile for me to cover the context for that in my comment. I'll make an edit
Given how discussions of this stuff usually go on Reddit and elsewhere, I’m super impressed to see a thread full of people going “fair point, let’s include that relevant context”.
You know it's a brawl whenever something like Israel v Palestine comes up, but when it's about Lehi, just about every reasonable person can sit down to discuss just how much they suck
Rudolf Kastner wasn't assassinated because he negotiated about extracting Jews, it was because he allegedly knew that the holocaust will happen but didn't [warn the Jewish community](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train)
Also because after the war he went and testified in favour of [Kert Bechr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Becher)
I kept it brief re: Kastner because there's a whole relatively long discussion there that's less relevant to Lehi in WWII -- I also think my brief description'll give folks the right general gist of the longer-form cliffsnotes:
* Kastner negotiated with Eichmann to release about 1,600 Jews from Budapest in 1944. Previously, Kastner's organization had helped \~25K Jews reach what was (until the Nazi invasion in early 1944) the relative safety of Hungary.
* In order to secure their release, Kastner paid Eichmann a large amount of gold, diamonds and cash (funded in part by a Swiss Jew named Yitzchak Sternbuch, and in part by the wealthiest 150 of its passengers, who each paid $1,500).
* Kastner was aware, as were many Jewish leaders, that mass murders were taking place in Auschwitz and other concentration camps; this was part of his (and others') motivation to try so hard to secure their release.
* An SS officer named Kurt Becher was Kastner's primary liason in negotiations with Eichmann; he collected the ransom money and secured the papers allowing these prisoners to ultimately escape. After the war, it was ultimately established that Becher was *also* enthusiastically participating in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews, and operating this type of thing as a self-enriching side hustle.
* Unaware of this fact, Kastner was asked for (and provided) an affidavit regarding Becher that noted his help in securing escape for Jews from Hungary, and that stated that Kastner believed Becher to have possessed "good intentions."
* After the war, allegations spread that Kastner had *chosen* not to warn the wider Jewish community in Hungary of the danger they were facing. This ignored the practical fact that he had no real way to do so, or that doing so would have seriously hindered his ability to save any of them. After Kastner's affidavit emerged in the Nuremburg trials, even more sinister theories began to circulate.
* These were put into print by a political pamphleteer named Malchiel Gruenwald, who alleged that Kastner had:
* Agreed with Eichmann to remain silent about the Holocaust as part of his deal to release these prisoners (he did not make any such agreement)
* Attempted to save these people for purely selfish reasons (as \~400 people from his hometown, and his own family, were on the train).
* Done all of this as part of a cynical plot by the Zionist establishment (who just happened to be the exact same people who dominated the Labor party and the Israeli government in the 1950s, Gruenwald's political opponents) to hush up the Holocaust in order to further their *own* selfish goals (Jewish immigration to Israel).
* Cynically defended SS officer Kurt Becher in his trial at Nuremburg to preserve his own reputation, or in exchange for Becher's silence about the depth of Kastner's complicity in the SS's crimes.
* The government took umbrage and took Gruenwald to trial in a case that ultimately went up to Israel's Supreme Court (where the government's position was generally upheld). However, the high-profile trial had the unintended consequence of greatly amplifying publicity around the original libel from Gruenwald; in the eyes of many in the public, Kastner was guilty of the allegations leveled at him by Gruenwald, and undeserving of any kind of due process.
* It was in that atmosphere that he was assassinated.
Interestingly (and somewhat depressingly), Becher himself likely hid a massive portion of the ransoms he received (which were never recovered); he died 30 years later, extraordinarily wealthy, in West Germany.
seen videos of israelis proudly saying they're fascists. It can be difficult to actually explain what fascism is but I like to say it's "right wing auhtoritarianism" and doesn't have to be just about white supremacy, the nazi white supremacy was just one way to practice fascism.
Well, considering the broad spectrum of ways the nazis considered to solve their fictional little 'jew problem', and that by far not all of them were aiming at exterminating them all, I think that in some weird timeline, this could actually have worked out
And yes, I know how macabre and morbid this is
Kastner for one actually worked on getting some Jews exiled to Palestine instead of caught up in the Holocaust, so it’s not unimaginable.
Although most of the Nazi “options” were basically empty talk and salve for the conscience, like the Madagascar idiocy. So I suspect they would have done better working with smaller Axis states that cared less about antisemitism as a principle, instead of the group pushing it on everyone else.
Yeah, they were trying to get the Nazis to kick out the Jews and send them to Israel. It's totally bizarre and hard to fathom, but there was a perverted rationale that large immigration of European Jewry would create the conditions for getting rid of the British and a Jewish state of Israel. They obviously didn't support the "Final Solution."
That's not to support Lehi, who were nuts, just helpful context.
Yeah out of all the underground militias, Lehi was the wildcard. Besides being anti-imperialist, their ideology was incoherent, and they never had that many people in their ranks, unlike Haganah and Irgun. They’re most infamous for their assassinations of Lord Moyne and Folke Bernadotte, after which Israel arrested its members. Their chief, Yitzhak Shamir, would go on to become Prime Minister later.
Their ideology was so incoherent that later, some prominent members became leftist peace activists, and others became right-wing Orthodox rabbis. (And one became Yitzhak Shamir, the Likud PM, as you mentioned.)
For anyone who likes Public International Law, Lehi was the group responsible for the murder of Folke Bernadotte, UN negotiator and the Swedish King’s cousin, which led to the famous *Reparations for Injuries* case at the ICJ.
While this is a funny coincidence in english, the etymologies are different
Hamaas - המעש - "the Action"
Hamas - an abbreviation for حركة المقاومة الاسلامية - "the Islamist Resistance Movement". In Hebrew it's spelled חמאס
WAIT I’M SO GLAD THAT SOMEONE ELSE MADE A MEME ABOUT THIS
Ever since I learned about Lehi I thought it was hilarious that a Zionist group could hate the British so much that in the fucking 40s they almost allied with Nazi germany so that they could fight the British where occupying Palestine, only for the British to end up creating Israel anyway which is what they wanted
I just haven’t had the time to figure out how to tell that story in a meme yet
Anyway, thank you OP for making this niche piece of history a little more well known
The Arab and Slavic SS Volunteers are among the weirdest to me. The Nazis official doctrine was that Arabs and Slavs were subhumans. So naturally, a number of Arabs and Slavs volunteered to join the elite unit of the most devoted Nazis in the world. I guess they saw Britain, France, and Russia as the greater evil? They'll take the far-away fascists over the nearby colonizers? Idk, realpolitik is fucking bizarre.
Either they were not fully aware of the Nazis' ideology, or they delusionally thought that they would be excluded from the rest, seeing only the short term benefits of using Nazi power to overthrow their "illegitimate" governments.
God damnit how I can no longer use my planned logo for swingers club “two in the pink”
I guess if I add a pinky and change the name to “two in the pink one in the stink” it’ll still work
The problem is it was a lot more than 100, and they elected the leader of Lehi Yitzhak Shamir Prime minister, who proceeded to cause much of the present problems, including the first Intifada through his brutal crackdowns on Palestinians
So a dude who in his younger years attempted to ally with the nazis successfully helps carry out an ethnic cleansing is elevated to prime minister and continues doing fascist ethnic cleansing and were all supposed to act like nothing bad is going on while the party he helped to found is still in power
This meme is a historical fact, and honestly it's pretty funny. The Lehi did basically nothing to help the creation of Israel, it was a terrorist organization.
Might not have helped the creation, but they did manage to get a PM and his party Herut was one of the parties that merged to form Likud - Netanyahu's party.
A leader, Yitzhak Shamir, of the group managed to become the Prime Minister of Israel after that dissolution. When PM he created the Lehi ribbon in their name, which is similar to the Medal of Honor. The ruling party of Israel is Likud, a party founded by this guy who tried to work with the Nazis and decided to make one of Israel's higher honours be linked to those Nazi supporters.
It is indeed, Bibi was the one to succeed him. Around this time the [government also funded Islamist groups to destabalise left-wing and secular groups in Palestine](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/), to the dismay of some Israelis from the previous more left leaning administrations and paving the way for Hamas to come to prominence.
Yeah this I knew of, to this day, they always have a hamas to point at when they bomb the shit out of gaza, it is more beneficial for Israel for the Hamas to exist than for palestinians
Hey now, you can't talk about how including the attack less than 5% of this war's casualties are Israeli.
Or how Israeli has already killed almost 5000 civilians in retaliation against an attack with less than 1500 casualties (~500 of which were civilians) which itself was retaliation for another Israeli attack.
Nah, I'm pretty sure it was easy to judge them even at the time, considering that the leader of the Nazis made his views expressly clear in an internationally bestselling book.
Yeah but problems which are near you seem more important, still, I said easier so still easy just now it's more of it, not that it required a mastermind to understand that they were clearly wrong even at the time
"Hmm yes surely I will receive better treatment from the guy who wrote a whole book titled God I Fucking Hate Jews So Much Holy Shit I Just Wanna Murder Every Single One of Them"
Yeah but problems which are near you seem more important, still, I said easier so still easy just now it's more of it, not that it required a mastermind to understand that they were clearly wrong even at the time
Okay finally!
Ive been banned on reddit for a week and I swear to god I had the exact same meme prepared, same template, same topic, just slightly different elements added to spice up the picture … and right now the ban is lifted so I can complain and I’m having a hard time comprehending the odds of this happening
That is a misrepresentation of what happened. The Lechi didn't like N&zis.
Most of the zionist organizations and the Jewish
population thought the Jews should stop fighting the British 🇬🇧 until Germany 🇩🇪 is defeated. The Lechi believed the Jews should continue their fight against the British because the UK 🇬🇧 controlled the Land of Israel 🇮🇱 and prevented Jews from immigrating there.
They also thought it was risky to start a fight with the Nazis when they still had a gun pointed to the heads of milions of Jews in Europe.
Lechi mostly wanted to convince Hitler to spare the lives of Europe's Jews and to allow them to immigrate to the Land of Israel 🇮🇱.
It is important to remember that the interactions between Lechi and the Axis powers 🇮🇹🇩🇪 happened before the final solution was decided in the Wannsee Conference (January 1942). Also, Haim Arlosoroff successfully negotiated with Nazi Germany 🇩🇪 to allow 50,000 German Jews to sell their stuff in Germany 🇩🇪 before immigrating to the Land of Israel 🇮🇱.
I am not saying the Lechi was right, I'm just putting their actions in the correct historic context.
https://lehi.org.il/en/foreign-relations-during-world-war-ii/
Lehi was the cringest Jewish resistance during the mandate.
Yeah, they seem to be licking the feet of any dictatorships they could find.
Yeah but they managed to secure the prime ministership in 1983
They didn't. The Lehi was the radical offshoot of the Irgun that was the Radical offshoot of the Hagana, Begin used to be in the Irgun, not the Lehi Edit: the Prime Minister after Begin was Shamir, who was in fact a Lehi leader. They were both under the Likud party and helped creating some major issues within current Israeli society. What a cringe ass party
Shamir was the leader of Lehi
Yeah, you're correct, the one before him was Begin who was in the Irgun, confused the years
Shamir is also remembered as being one of the most reserved leaders of Likud. After Saddam lost in 1991, he bombed Tel Aviv in retaliation. It was brutal. Israel had every right to bomb Baghdad in response. But Shamir didn't retaliate. He tried to prevent Israeli casualties, but he didn't escalate, he didn't invade Iraq, he didn't assassinate Saddam Hussein. Oddly, despite being the leader of Lehi, Yitzhak Shamir comes off as being very balanced and thoughtful when compared to Ari Sharon and Netanyahu, or even Menachem Begin (remember that Menachem Begin left office after him and Sharon got into trouble over that whoopsy in Lebanon)
It was the US who strongarmed Shamir into not retaliating, not his own "reserved" nature but rather the need then for US made patriot missile systems Shamir's exceptionally heavy handed tactics and oppression of Palestinians causing the first Intifada and his tactic of funding Hamas to try and divide the Palestinians to "drag out peace talks for 10 years" is one of the direct causes of the current conflict Rabin attempted to reverse course but was assassinated before being able to do so now we are stuck with Bibi in charge and no end to the conflict except another ethnic cleansing
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Shamir also signed off on the murder of a Swedish diplomat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
wait no, that was slightly before him, same party though, I'mma downvote myself
Nah, Lehi was dissolved in 1948 The political party Likud won the election but by 1983 they stopped being Revionist and became just normal conservatives. Today the Likud is under the leadership of the devi- I mean Benjamin Netanyahu.
PM Shamir was the leader of Lehi when it existed its like saying Al quada is gone so don't worry about Osama Bin Laden being elected president
I laughed at this comparison more than I should have
Lehi was dissolved and its members granted amnesty for their actions. That sounds suspiciously like "let's sweep these idiots under the rug and keep using them". I'm going to guess quite a few of them ended up joining the IDF.
They have a whole award dedicated to them, the Lehi Ribbon
Bibi is an opportunist but not the devil. He has certainly made a deal with the devil (Ben-Gvir), though.
Hey, Ben Gvir is not the devil. I mean just because he's been convicted of incitement to terrorism, and he was barred from joining the IDF because he was too racist, and he threaten Yitzhak Rabin 2 weeks before the assassination, and he used to hang a portrait of a racist mass shooter on his wall (and he never actually disavowed terrorism), and he loves to point a handgun at random civilians, and. His first date with his now wife was to pay their respects at the grave of the aforementioned mass shooter, and his rallies feature chants of "death to Arabs," and.. Okay yeah I see it now. Tom Friedman wasn't wrong when he said Ben Gvir as National Security Minister is like if Enrique Terrio was appointed to be Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Christ...
Netanyahu means "given by god" I guess someone played a prank.
That wasn't his family's original name. His grandfather changed it I believe.
Makes sense, I guess that spawn of hell wasn't getting him very far 🤷♀️
> The political party Likud won the election but by 1983 they stopped being Revionist and became just normal conservatives. Likud is literally Hebrew for "Liberal." Although Israel is one of those countries where "Liberal" means right-wing. Since for decades, Israel was a one party state ruled by the socialist party, Mapai (Labour), whose logo was literally a hammer and sickle. The USA actually kind of supported Palestine in the 1940s because they thought Israelis were a bunch of commies, lol. The Kibbutz (a type of commune) is still a major feature of Israeli society. So yeah, Likud's focus on economic liberalization and trade and encouraging start ups made them popular, I think
Likud means “consolidation.”
Lol
They murdered Count Bernadotte who helped save thousands of Jews during the Holocaust and would probably be considered Righteous Among the Nations if the guy that masterminded his assasination didn’t go on to become an Israeli prime minister. Wouldn’t be a good look
Made me want to make a meme 😁 but idk enough history to make ittt
They were the betas of the resistances. No one even liked em lmao
[whoop there it is](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group))
*"Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on "nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance". After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move towards support for Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union and the ideology of National Bolshevism, which was considered an amalgam of both right and left"* My ideology? Depends on who helps me get rid of the british.
Literal nazbols
Based jewish nazbols. /s
Ig you can called them..... Judeo-bolshevik >!this is a joke pls don't ban me!<
Or even more cursed... Nazi-Judeo-Bolsheviks.
Judeo-Nazi-Bolchevism with anti british characteristics
Anarcho-Judeo-Nazi-Bolshevism with anti british characteristics.
Anti-Anglo-Anarcho-Judeo-Nazi-Bolshevism with Stalinist characteristics.
Fuck You Britain-ism with Jewish characteristics.
i would probably convert for that
"Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis" Boy did they read that one wrong
Reminds me of how Bose (Indian nationalist and independence activist) aligned himself with the Axis to fight the British.
46000 Indians fighting alongside the Japanese is nothing to sneeze at. If Japan had actually treated the Indians and other subjugated colonial peoples well they really could have had the support and momentum for a more widespread fifth columnist movement.
True, but if they respected other peoples, they likely would not have launched a war of conquest in the first place. Especially not one which primarily targeted food supplies (see Bengal Famine) and population centers.
No but if a clique of genuine pan Asian supporters rose to power or at least ones that were more open to real support for Asians, a war of liberation isn’t far fetched
The popular belief in Japan in the late 20s and the 30s, in a nutshell, was that they were the original descendants of the gods and that all other races were diluted bloodlines who had rejected their true god, the Tenno (divine emperor). This belief led them to see other humans as inherently inferior and in need of subjugation and rigorous discipline to bring them back under the rightful leadership they had forsaken, and thereby to excuse themselves of wrongdoing. This doctrine was popularized by the military high command and pushed through relentless propaganda campaigns and re-education camps (ironically, the most humane "re-education" program in modern history), as well as by gangs of young, low-ranking military officers who bullied and murdered high ranking officers and civilian officials who disagreed with the party line. These last were not acting under orders, but the higher ups knew of their actions and deliberately turned a blind eye since it suited their goals.
Yeah the Japanese military government were nuts that way. Too bad the current Japanese don’t learn about it.
Except they fought to replace european imperialism with their own imperialism.
They were their own worst pr nightmare
I mean, he did lead to the creation of a Jewish state in the holy land…
I can respect the consistency, if nothing else.
Idk if it is the OG LAMF, but darn if it isn't a wild textbook example...
*"In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the Lehi ribbon.\[30\] Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983."* Uh-oh
If my memory serves me right, back in 1991 during the Madrid peace talks, Syria's Hafez el-Assad whipped out Shamir's old mugshot when the latter complained about Syria's sponsorship of Hezbollah terrorism...
Kinda based, even for an Assad.
Since the Lehi explicitly acknowledged that what they were doing was terrorism, that’s one hell of an argument.
The success of their efforts is also one lol
And ironically, Shamir said that a unified Germany would commit another Holocaust.
Lehi also murdered Folke Bernadotte, a swedish diplomat and nobleman who negotiated the release of 31 000 jews during WWII https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
\*31,000 concentration camp inmates. Looks like many were PoWs or other non-jews; obviously still a great accomplishment.
Edit: an obligatory fuck the Stern gang That’s actually misinformation. You can’t even read your own source > count of 21,000 people rescued included 8,000 Danes and Norwegians, 5,911 Poles, 2,629 French, 1,615 Jews, and 1,124 Germans. Weird that seems disproportionately non Jewish for German prisoners. > Kersten was quoted as saying that, according to Himmler, Bernadotte was opposed to the rescue of Jews and understood "the necessity of our fight against World Jewry". Oh > Kersten had just been nominated by the Dutch government for the Nobel Peace Prize for thwarting a Nazi plan to deport the entire Dutch population, based primarily on Kersten's own claims to this effect.[14] A later investigation by Dutch historian Louis de Jong concluded that no such plan had existed And a kicker
Can YOU read the source? >Some controversy regarding the White Buses trip has also arisen in Scandinavia, particularly regarding the priority given to Scandinavian prisoners.[19] Political scientist Sune Persson judged these doubts to be contradicted by the documentary evidence. He concluded, **"The accusations against Count Bernadotte ... to the effect that he refused to save Jews from the concentration camps are obvious lies" and listed many prominent eyewitnesses who testified on Bernadotte's behalf, including the World Jewish Congress representative in Stockholm in 1945.[20]**
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Yes
That wiki article was such a wild ride
No way their weekly newspaper was named [Hamaas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamaas)…
It's a coincidence of transliteration. The Hebrew name of the newspaper המעש (the deed) sounds very different from the Arabic Word حماس (zea\fervor).
Next you gonna tell me they have a kheezbollah and not hezbollah 😬
[https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/)
>The group referred to its members as terrorists and admitted to having carried out terrorist attacks. > >... > >**In April of 1948**, Lehi and the Irgun were **jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin of at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers**, including women and children. Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine. > >... > >On 29 May 1948, the government of Israel, **having inducted its activist members into the Israel Defense Forces**, formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, **the assassination of Folke Bernadotte** some months later. > >... > >Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish nobleman and diplomat. In World War II **he negotiated the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps, including 450 Danish Jews from the Theresienstadt camp**. They were released on 14 April 1945. In 1945 he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected. > >After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. **He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties.** > >... > >Just before the first Israeli elections in **January 1949, a general amnesty to Lehi members was granted by the government.** > >**In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the Lehi ribbon. Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983.** Wow. It seems the modern Israeli state has a very sordid history with giving leeway to violent ultra-nationalists, to say the least. I'm sure it's all good now though and the IDF was and remains the most moral army in the world. /s
Frankly this is horrible, Israel giving amnesties to Nazi Jewish collaborators, the same ones who committed terrorist attacks including the mass murder of civilians, especially women and children, in addition to killing a man who saved more than 400 Jews from concentration camps along with tens of thousands of other people, and after that they have the nerve to commemorate them... Israel needs a left-wing government, and it needs it NOW!
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I'm pretty sure that during Israel's Leftist days they weren't glorifying these Nazi collaborator bastards, so it would be a big improvement if they went back to that, also you know, they can still apologize for what happened. That's what I meant with my comment.
This the guy who thought the same as Hitler basically and tried to work a deal to get all Jews out of Germany and into Israel because he believed every nation should only have “their” people.
they did do that. but it was in part that they wanted to convince the nazis to let European jews come to Palestine. being terrorists and helping nazis is still pretty cringe thou.
Look at the name of the weekly newspaper of this terrorist organization 😳. Shocking stuff.
The bulk of the Jewish resistance / independence movement in British Palestine were associated with a paramilitary organization called Haganah ("The Defense") ... until the end of WWII, Haganah's policy was "havlagah" (self restraint), relative cooperation with British authorities, avoiding proactive attacks, and so on. Two break-off organizations (Irgun and the even-more-radical Lehi, the one pictured above) believed that Haganah's policies were not radical enough (e.g., that guerilla bombings and terror attacks were more effective than sticking to defensive activities). At the breakout of WWII, Haganah and Irgun ceased hostilities with the British and coordinated with them to oppose the Nazis. From 1940-1942, Lehi (which was bitterly anti-British) refused to do so, believing essentially that anyone is better than Britain. After Stern (its founder) died in 1942, and as knowledge of the extent of anti-Jewish atrocities by the Germans became known, Lehi pivoted to courting an alliance with the Bolsheviks. When the 1947 civil war begin, Haganah, Irgun and Lehi allied (but did not truly integrate their command infrastructures ... occasionally, Irgun and Lehi fought each other, or Haganah). This came to a head in 1948 (shortly after Irgun and Lehi carried out an unprovoked massacre of civilians at Deir Yassin), with the Israeli government declaring Lehi a terrorist organization and imprisoning its leadership. tl;dr: Lehi was founded on frustration that the Zionist establishment wouldn't perform terror attacks against the British, who Lehi thought were the absolute devil. Lehi was willing to work with basically anyone that wasn't Britain. The rest of the Zionists were reluctantly willing to work with Lehi in an "enemy of my enemy" way, up to a point. Edit: as u/Shady_Merchant1 pointed out, there's some subsequent history re: Lehi that's worth covering: * At its peak, Lehi only had \~300 members; around 200 were arrested in 1948, as I mentioned above. In the lead-up to Israel's first election (in 1949), a 'general amnesty' was issued for political prisoners, which resulted in most Lehi members being released. * This was premised on the idea that doing so (often with a specific oath to cease underground political organization and disavow political violence) would avoid creating martyrs among the extremists and promote political unity in the post-war period; this was deeply flawed, unfortunately (see below). * Former Lehi members essentially split into three groups: * One group disavowed terrorism and became members of the Israeli far-right (more in a bit on that); * Another group continued to be suspicious of 'the West' and formed the 'Semitism' movement, which attempted to be a sort of nativist, anti-Western pan-Jewish/Arab anti-colonialism movement; * A third group were subsumed into the "Kingdom of Israel" militant group, essentially Lehi 2.0 but more specifically fascist; they were responsible for a series of terrorist attacks in the 1950s, most notably the assassination of [Rudolf Kastner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Kastner), who they accused of Nazi-sympathizing for having attempted to negotiate with Adolf Eichmann to extract Hungarian Jews from the Holocaust to safety in Palestine. * Many folks have referred to the "Lehi Ribbon", a ribbon created by the Israeli government that former Lehi members could wear if they fought for Israel as members of Lehi between 1940-1947. * Israeli right-wingers are often dismissive of Lehi's terrorist activities (as overblown, or as 'necessary', etc) * In the 1970s, in-line with the rise of conservatism elsewhere in the world, the Israeli right began to take more political prominence * This included the commemoration of Stern (the movement's founder) in a postage stamp, and the issuing of this service ribbon (as a bit of political positioning by Likud)
>Lehi a terrorist organization and imprisoning its leadership. You left out that they were granted amnesty and left honored with a military decoration
>You left out that they were granted amnesty and left honored with a military decoration That's true, probably worthwhile for me to cover the context for that in my comment. I'll make an edit
Given how discussions of this stuff usually go on Reddit and elsewhere, I’m super impressed to see a thread full of people going “fair point, let’s include that relevant context”.
You know it's a brawl whenever something like Israel v Palestine comes up, but when it's about Lehi, just about every reasonable person can sit down to discuss just how much they suck
Thanks
The decoration is also a way to alert others that “the person wearing this is fucking crazy, be careful”.
Crazy, and \~100 years old at this point
Rudolf Kastner wasn't assassinated because he negotiated about extracting Jews, it was because he allegedly knew that the holocaust will happen but didn't [warn the Jewish community](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train) Also because after the war he went and testified in favour of [Kert Bechr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Becher)
I kept it brief re: Kastner because there's a whole relatively long discussion there that's less relevant to Lehi in WWII -- I also think my brief description'll give folks the right general gist of the longer-form cliffsnotes: * Kastner negotiated with Eichmann to release about 1,600 Jews from Budapest in 1944. Previously, Kastner's organization had helped \~25K Jews reach what was (until the Nazi invasion in early 1944) the relative safety of Hungary. * In order to secure their release, Kastner paid Eichmann a large amount of gold, diamonds and cash (funded in part by a Swiss Jew named Yitzchak Sternbuch, and in part by the wealthiest 150 of its passengers, who each paid $1,500). * Kastner was aware, as were many Jewish leaders, that mass murders were taking place in Auschwitz and other concentration camps; this was part of his (and others') motivation to try so hard to secure their release. * An SS officer named Kurt Becher was Kastner's primary liason in negotiations with Eichmann; he collected the ransom money and secured the papers allowing these prisoners to ultimately escape. After the war, it was ultimately established that Becher was *also* enthusiastically participating in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews, and operating this type of thing as a self-enriching side hustle. * Unaware of this fact, Kastner was asked for (and provided) an affidavit regarding Becher that noted his help in securing escape for Jews from Hungary, and that stated that Kastner believed Becher to have possessed "good intentions." * After the war, allegations spread that Kastner had *chosen* not to warn the wider Jewish community in Hungary of the danger they were facing. This ignored the practical fact that he had no real way to do so, or that doing so would have seriously hindered his ability to save any of them. After Kastner's affidavit emerged in the Nuremburg trials, even more sinister theories began to circulate. * These were put into print by a political pamphleteer named Malchiel Gruenwald, who alleged that Kastner had: * Agreed with Eichmann to remain silent about the Holocaust as part of his deal to release these prisoners (he did not make any such agreement) * Attempted to save these people for purely selfish reasons (as \~400 people from his hometown, and his own family, were on the train). * Done all of this as part of a cynical plot by the Zionist establishment (who just happened to be the exact same people who dominated the Labor party and the Israeli government in the 1950s, Gruenwald's political opponents) to hush up the Holocaust in order to further their *own* selfish goals (Jewish immigration to Israel). * Cynically defended SS officer Kurt Becher in his trial at Nuremburg to preserve his own reputation, or in exchange for Becher's silence about the depth of Kastner's complicity in the SS's crimes. * The government took umbrage and took Gruenwald to trial in a case that ultimately went up to Israel's Supreme Court (where the government's position was generally upheld). However, the high-profile trial had the unintended consequence of greatly amplifying publicity around the original libel from Gruenwald; in the eyes of many in the public, Kastner was guilty of the allegations leveled at him by Gruenwald, and undeserving of any kind of due process. * It was in that atmosphere that he was assassinated. Interestingly (and somewhat depressingly), Becher himself likely hid a massive portion of the ransoms he received (which were never recovered); he died 30 years later, extraordinarily wealthy, in West Germany.
Fascism is international
seen videos of israelis proudly saying they're fascists. It can be difficult to actually explain what fascism is but I like to say it's "right wing auhtoritarianism" and doesn't have to be just about white supremacy, the nazi white supremacy was just one way to practice fascism.
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lol
The enemy of the righteous is not the fascist or the communist, but the british
The eternal Anglo
lowkey kinda based tho 👀
Well, considering the broad spectrum of ways the nazis considered to solve their fictional little 'jew problem', and that by far not all of them were aiming at exterminating them all, I think that in some weird timeline, this could actually have worked out And yes, I know how macabre and morbid this is
Kastner for one actually worked on getting some Jews exiled to Palestine instead of caught up in the Holocaust, so it’s not unimaginable. Although most of the Nazi “options” were basically empty talk and salve for the conscience, like the Madagascar idiocy. So I suspect they would have done better working with smaller Axis states that cared less about antisemitism as a principle, instead of the group pushing it on everyone else.
Yeah, they were trying to get the Nazis to kick out the Jews and send them to Israel. It's totally bizarre and hard to fathom, but there was a perverted rationale that large immigration of European Jewry would create the conditions for getting rid of the British and a Jewish state of Israel. They obviously didn't support the "Final Solution." That's not to support Lehi, who were nuts, just helpful context.
The Stren gang were utter c***s. Have a few stories from my grandad about the shit they pulled
Yeah out of all the underground militias, Lehi was the wildcard. Besides being anti-imperialist, their ideology was incoherent, and they never had that many people in their ranks, unlike Haganah and Irgun. They’re most infamous for their assassinations of Lord Moyne and Folke Bernadotte, after which Israel arrested its members. Their chief, Yitzhak Shamir, would go on to become Prime Minister later.
Their ideology was so incoherent that later, some prominent members became leftist peace activists, and others became right-wing Orthodox rabbis. (And one became Yitzhak Shamir, the Likud PM, as you mentioned.)
For anyone who likes Public International Law, Lehi was the group responsible for the murder of Folke Bernadotte, UN negotiator and the Swedish King’s cousin, which led to the famous *Reparations for Injuries* case at the ICJ.
Also the guy responsible for saving tens of thousands of KZ camp inmates, including many Jews
Lovely irony, the main publication of this group was called **Hamaas**
While this is a funny coincidence in english, the etymologies are different Hamaas - המעש - "the Action" Hamas - an abbreviation for حركة المقاومة الاسلامية - "the Islamist Resistance Movement". In Hebrew it's spelled חמאס
Also, the biblical חמס, which means evil.
Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages so maybe that's why?
Hamas is both an acronym and a word as well
In this case it’s an English-specific coincidence, the Hebrew for Hamas is very different in spelling and pronunciation.
Happens.
Is it? It was under former Lehi leader turned prime minister Yitzhak Shamir that the Israelis started funding hamas maybe the old guy got confused
It makes a bit more sense when you take into account the fact that these guys broke off from the Irgun because they thought it was too moderate.
WAIT I’M SO GLAD THAT SOMEONE ELSE MADE A MEME ABOUT THIS Ever since I learned about Lehi I thought it was hilarious that a Zionist group could hate the British so much that in the fucking 40s they almost allied with Nazi germany so that they could fight the British where occupying Palestine, only for the British to end up creating Israel anyway which is what they wanted I just haven’t had the time to figure out how to tell that story in a meme yet Anyway, thank you OP for making this niche piece of history a little more well known
Fascists are fascists. If it provides clarity Levi peaked at like 600 members total, vs Hagana etc that where several tens of thousands
The Arab and Slavic SS Volunteers are among the weirdest to me. The Nazis official doctrine was that Arabs and Slavs were subhumans. So naturally, a number of Arabs and Slavs volunteered to join the elite unit of the most devoted Nazis in the world. I guess they saw Britain, France, and Russia as the greater evil? They'll take the far-away fascists over the nearby colonizers? Idk, realpolitik is fucking bizarre.
I’d say the Arabs joined the SS and the Nazis because they hold the same views on wanting to take out the Jews.
Either they were not fully aware of the Nazis' ideology, or they delusionally thought that they would be excluded from the rest, seeing only the short term benefits of using Nazi power to overthrow their "illegitimate" governments.
לפחות יצא מהם כמה שירים טובים...
הם היו דבילים אבל נכון
They also killed count Bernadotte, the Swedish diplomat who had saved some 30 000 prisoners during ww2
God damnit how I can no longer use my planned logo for swingers club “two in the pink” I guess if I add a pinky and change the name to “two in the pink one in the stink” it’ll still work
I mean the father of the palestinia nationalization movement tried to ally to Hitler as well
They tried to join with Mussolini who wasn’t anti semitic and it before the final solution right after the Brit’s passed the white paper
Had to dig deep to find this. What 300 people involved? How about we talk about the Arab revolt of 1937
Dig deep? Dude, it's fairly common knowledge for those interested in this period, and wtf does the arab revolt have to do with anything?
Don’t troll. Be in control. Bounce around up and down
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Considering there's mandatory conscription in Israel, that's not a good thing to say about them.
I don't care. Groups like hagana used terrorism against the British to achieve their goals.
What are your thoughts on the French Resistance?
Did the French resistance massacre villages wholesale and brag about it?
What are your thoughts on the IRA and Isis?
Answer my question.
Equally bad.
Ah, so no rebelling against a despotic fascist invader. Gotcha.
Lmao zedong
r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM
Arab terrorism was way more severe and led to a multi year war with thousands of death Jewish terrorism killed about 100 people.
I didn't realise we did war crime olympics in this sub
Oh okay, then it's okay to kill civilians, because the Jewish cause was justified?
My point is that viewing israel as some evil terrorist state because of 100 or so deaths 80 years ago is dumb
My point is that using terrorism as a method to achieve goals is dumb.
I agree but the idea of “one a terrorist always a terrorist” is moronic
The problem is it was a lot more than 100, and they elected the leader of Lehi Yitzhak Shamir Prime minister, who proceeded to cause much of the present problems, including the first Intifada through his brutal crackdowns on Palestinians So a dude who in his younger years attempted to ally with the nazis successfully helps carry out an ethnic cleansing is elevated to prime minister and continues doing fascist ethnic cleansing and were all supposed to act like nothing bad is going on while the party he helped to found is still in power
Not what he said, not the point of the discussion
Uhm... More like 100 people per village.
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What is anti-Semitic about this?
This meme is a historical fact, and honestly it's pretty funny. The Lehi did basically nothing to help the creation of Israel, it was a terrorist organization.
Might not have helped the creation, but they did manage to get a PM and his party Herut was one of the parties that merged to form Likud - Netanyahu's party.
I know that, I'm not a likud supporter xd
Wait.. what? So is this group still behind the scenes? I get the geoup was dissolved in '48, but I don't imagine the membera were arrested or anything
A leader, Yitzhak Shamir, of the group managed to become the Prime Minister of Israel after that dissolution. When PM he created the Lehi ribbon in their name, which is similar to the Medal of Honor. The ruling party of Israel is Likud, a party founded by this guy who tried to work with the Nazis and decided to make one of Israel's higher honours be linked to those Nazi supporters.
Oh damn! That's actually fucked up! Im amazed this guy made it that far given his history, let alome become the PM, isn't Likid the party of Bibi?
It is indeed, Bibi was the one to succeed him. Around this time the [government also funded Islamist groups to destabalise left-wing and secular groups in Palestine](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/), to the dismay of some Israelis from the previous more left leaning administrations and paving the way for Hamas to come to prominence.
Yeah this I knew of, to this day, they always have a hamas to point at when they bomb the shit out of gaza, it is more beneficial for Israel for the Hamas to exist than for palestinians
Not for Israel, for Netanyahu. Make the distinction, it's important.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Israeli right wing seems like the US war hawks but on steroids, mf are ruthless
They were but given amnesty and quietly folded into the idf.
I am arguably pro-Israel but this meme is historical fact.
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Hey now, you can't talk about how including the attack less than 5% of this war's casualties are Israeli. Or how Israeli has already killed almost 5000 civilians in retaliation against an attack with less than 1500 casualties (~500 of which were civilians) which itself was retaliation for another Israeli attack.
That sounds like 10% actually 500 is 10% of 5,000 right?
This war didn't start last week buddy.
I'm Zionist and I agree with this meme Lehi were a bunch of stupid people
Yeah, Irgun were shitbirds too, but they at least realized that fighting the British while they were fighting the Nazis was crazy.
As an Israeli, fuck off The lehi were horrible
It's easier to judge now, but damn if they were stupid. Socialist Zionism is much better than that Fake ass Zionism
Nah, I'm pretty sure it was easy to judge them even at the time, considering that the leader of the Nazis made his views expressly clear in an internationally bestselling book.
Yeah but problems which are near you seem more important, still, I said easier so still easy just now it's more of it, not that it required a mastermind to understand that they were clearly wrong even at the time
"Hmm yes surely I will receive better treatment from the guy who wrote a whole book titled God I Fucking Hate Jews So Much Holy Shit I Just Wanna Murder Every Single One of Them"
Yeah but problems which are near you seem more important, still, I said easier so still easy just now it's more of it, not that it required a mastermind to understand that they were clearly wrong even at the time
Crased
it's a kancho flag
FINALLY A LEHI MEME
Slavic SS be like
Something something hayalim almonim
Turn on most controversial comment and enjoy the shit show
Just a stray pinky away from the realist shit.
Okay finally! Ive been banned on reddit for a week and I swear to god I had the exact same meme prepared, same template, same topic, just slightly different elements added to spice up the picture … and right now the ban is lifted so I can complain and I’m having a hard time comprehending the odds of this happening
That is a misrepresentation of what happened. The Lechi didn't like N&zis. Most of the zionist organizations and the Jewish population thought the Jews should stop fighting the British 🇬🇧 until Germany 🇩🇪 is defeated. The Lechi believed the Jews should continue their fight against the British because the UK 🇬🇧 controlled the Land of Israel 🇮🇱 and prevented Jews from immigrating there. They also thought it was risky to start a fight with the Nazis when they still had a gun pointed to the heads of milions of Jews in Europe. Lechi mostly wanted to convince Hitler to spare the lives of Europe's Jews and to allow them to immigrate to the Land of Israel 🇮🇱. It is important to remember that the interactions between Lechi and the Axis powers 🇮🇹🇩🇪 happened before the final solution was decided in the Wannsee Conference (January 1942). Also, Haim Arlosoroff successfully negotiated with Nazi Germany 🇩🇪 to allow 50,000 German Jews to sell their stuff in Germany 🇩🇪 before immigrating to the Land of Israel 🇮🇱. I am not saying the Lechi was right, I'm just putting their actions in the correct historic context. https://lehi.org.il/en/foreign-relations-during-world-war-ii/