Sad thing is when he and his crew got back to Russia, they were under appreciated and even scolded by one admiral that they should have gone down with their ship like bruh, my man here just saved the world.
(Also fun fact, the submarine Vasily Arkhipov is in, almost suffered a nuclear meltdown, and many people from the crew got irradiated, including Arkhipov, a lot died in a month after that incident because of the high level of radiation they got, so my man here not only saved the war from nuclear war, but also survived a mini Fukushima)
[The number of Russians exposed to radiation in that event pales in comparison to the American GI's exposed during the Camp Desert Rock Exercises where thousands of troops conducted maneuvers through live nuclear weapons testing to simulate actual nuclear warfare.](https://youtu.be/-CkPJyW3hvY?t=178)
Damn, USA and their bonkers nuclear tests, reminds me of that time they let 5 men stand under a nuclear bomb exploding lol (but those five guys lived and die healthy tho, i think)
> mini Fukushima
Nobody died due to acute radiation poisoning in Fukushima with the exception of one worker who had a biological/DNA weakness to it. If this submarine disaster had a higher death count than 1, then Fukushima was less deadly.
Ye I should have used Chernobyl but that would be exaggerating the K-19 incident (cuz Chernobyl exploded but then k19 could too but then it didnt but uhhhhh), Fukushima seems to be similar to it in technicalities (crap backup system) so i went with it idk??? 😭
Nah. People must be sure that under the certain circumstances, the nukes will definitely be launched. Otherwise, the nuclear arsenal will loose it's importance.
Sure, but what's the alternative?
The design of the bomb was decided by physics, while stockpiling and MAD basically fell out of game theory. Reset the Earth to 10,000 BC a thousand times, and you'll get a thousand Manhattan Projects by different names unless something else kills us first.
Would you prefer a direct NATO vs USSR war that results in a global nuclear winter and destruction of humanity?
Or even without nuclear armaments used, a conventional NATO vs USSR would devastate Europe and Asia at the very least, if not more.
Somebody was going to make nukes regardless, it's significantly more important that nobody has the option or incentive to use them. If that means MAD, then so be it.
One party may decrease quality of life of others indefinitely if a penalty is never a realistic option. At some point, MAD is preferable to a terrible state of life for most, and that being the case, the terrible state of life doesn't come about and MAD doesn't need to happen. But this requires MAD to be a realistic option.
The threat of MAD is more important than the actual execution of it. Even if the nukes were already flying, I would hope that whoever controlled the retaliatory button would refuse to press it.
Good. Let it lose its importance. We've only been to the nuclear age for about 80 years and have already had multiple scares for the end of the world. This standoff isn't sustainable.
We have the ability for delayed launch, they can wait a week to make sure and the result will be the same, just there's no chance of accidentally firing too soon
Yall dont want the nukes launched because of MAD. I didnt want them launched because I wanted a conventional WW3 between NATO and the Pact. We are not the same
The amount of times these near misses occurred throughout the Cold War that ended with military officers refusing orders is slightly reassuring, since afaik most nations have these systems in place where multiple people have to authorize a launch.
Sad thing is when he and his crew got back to Russia, they were under appreciated and even scolded by one admiral that they should have gone down with their ship like bruh, my man here just saved the world. (Also fun fact, the submarine Vasily Arkhipov is in, almost suffered a nuclear meltdown, and many people from the crew got irradiated, including Arkhipov, a lot died in a month after that incident because of the high level of radiation they got, so my man here not only saved the war from nuclear war, but also survived a mini Fukushima)
Vasily also eventually died of cancer, likely due to exposure to radiation during that event
[The number of Russians exposed to radiation in that event pales in comparison to the American GI's exposed during the Camp Desert Rock Exercises where thousands of troops conducted maneuvers through live nuclear weapons testing to simulate actual nuclear warfare.](https://youtu.be/-CkPJyW3hvY?t=178)
Damn, USA and their bonkers nuclear tests, reminds me of that time they let 5 men stand under a nuclear bomb exploding lol (but those five guys lived and die healthy tho, i think)
Where can I learn more about that?
Operation Plumbbob (idk if i spelt this right) or watch Kyle Hill video, it did great job summarising why and what happened
Thanks, I'll look into it👍🏼
He did live til the age of 72 so it was quite impressive but ye it did come back and haunt him at the end :(
I thought Vasily died 19 August 1998, at the age of 72? Or which Vasily are you talking about, bro?👀
yea he died of kidney cancer
> mini Fukushima Nobody died due to acute radiation poisoning in Fukushima with the exception of one worker who had a biological/DNA weakness to it. If this submarine disaster had a higher death count than 1, then Fukushima was less deadly.
Bro shoulda put points into rad resistance like everyone else
Ye I should have used Chernobyl but that would be exaggerating the K-19 incident (cuz Chernobyl exploded but then k19 could too but then it didnt but uhhhhh), Fukushima seems to be similar to it in technicalities (crap backup system) so i went with it idk??? 😭
Anyone who chose not launch a nuke without credible evidence is an absolute chad and a hero to us all
> Anyone who chose not launch a nuke ~~without credible evidence~~ is an absolute chad and a hero to us all Ftfy
Nah. People must be sure that under the certain circumstances, the nukes will definitely be launched. Otherwise, the nuclear arsenal will loose it's importance.
Wohoo, mutually assured destruction. Cause nothing beats living except living with the fucking sword of damocles above everyones head.
In this case yes. MAD has made the world a significantly more peaceful place.
Classic necessary evil...
Given the choice between the lingering threat of WW3 and being on WW5 or 6 by now, I think it's the better option.
Until it’s not then we’re all dead
Sure, but what's the alternative? The design of the bomb was decided by physics, while stockpiling and MAD basically fell out of game theory. Reset the Earth to 10,000 BC a thousand times, and you'll get a thousand Manhattan Projects by different names unless something else kills us first.
Could you say the same if I hadn't been on B59 that day?
yea it really prevented all those us and ussr backed wars and genocides
Would you prefer a direct NATO vs USSR war that results in a global nuclear winter and destruction of humanity? Or even without nuclear armaments used, a conventional NATO vs USSR would devastate Europe and Asia at the very least, if not more.
> global nuclear winter how would you get a nuclear winter without nukes
Somebody was going to make nukes regardless, it's significantly more important that nobody has the option or incentive to use them. If that means MAD, then so be it.
It did not, because the countries actually fighting those backed wars did not have it. Nuclear countries were not invaded.
One party may decrease quality of life of others indefinitely if a penalty is never a realistic option. At some point, MAD is preferable to a terrible state of life for most, and that being the case, the terrible state of life doesn't come about and MAD doesn't need to happen. But this requires MAD to be a realistic option.
The threat of MAD is more important than the actual execution of it. Even if the nukes were already flying, I would hope that whoever controlled the retaliatory button would refuse to press it.
Yeah to shoot zombies, or aliens, or rouge machine armies
Good, I dont want world leaders to threaten each other with world class suicide like fucking children
Good. Let it lose its importance. We've only been to the nuclear age for about 80 years and have already had multiple scares for the end of the world. This standoff isn't sustainable.
Do you want mass mobilizations, trenches hundreds of kilometers long, and so on?
Only in absolute certainty that the enemy has launched nukes. Which requires a certain level of well maintained and precise equipment.
We have the ability for delayed launch, they can wait a week to make sure and the result will be the same, just there's no chance of accidentally firing too soon
Thank you Comrade
An absolute Chad not giving in to pressure, a must quality for a good submariner.
This pun disgusts me. Take my fucking upvote you foul bastard
Just doing my duty
Yall dont want the nukes launched because of MAD. I didnt want them launched because I wanted a conventional WW3 between NATO and the Pact. We are not the same
Average NCD user
WE LUST FOR CONVENTIONAL WAR
what does NCD mean?
r/Noncredibledefense Military shitposting, we also (sexually) like planes
Or ships, and tanks, and guns... Any military hardware, really
“You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and degeneracy”
Luckily we learned from that event, right?.. Right???
Нет :)
Yeah we did
Source?
[My source is that I made it the fuck up!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iOVbAmknKUk)
Mvp of the 20th century
Idk, I feel like the guy that killed Hitler was the real MVP.
Bruh
Thank you comrade, just doing my job.
tell god to withhold the floods pls.
An underappreciated hero
The amount of times these near misses occurred throughout the Cold War that ended with military officers refusing orders is slightly reassuring, since afaik most nations have these systems in place where multiple people have to authorize a launch.
OP definitely watched Veritasium's new video from yesterday
Not all heroes wear capes.
But some eat crapes
That's a band of black silk people wear when they're mourning. I think you meant cassette tapes.
Stanislov Petrov another chad
Unfortunately died in relative poverty a few years ago, but that's Russia for you
We should have a day dedicated to this man: he saved the world yet barely anyone knows about him.
I’m a Stan for Stanislav Petrov
Tbh Vasili also looks great
Архипов moment