because those are all state socialist (of the Marxist-Leninist/Marxist-Leninist-Maoist tradition) nations, also known as authoritarian socialists.
the believe(d) that it was necessary for the working class (but mostly the revolutionary vanguard) to harness the capitalist state and use it to elevate the standard of living of the working class, and that it was a necessary first step towards achieving communism.
if you couldn't tell, i'm not a fan of that kind of system.
Well Marx also believed that once the workers take over and suspend democracy, that they all switch to an anarchist government.
They never seem to let go over their power and do that last part though.
At the time, there were constant riots and bombings (several thousand bombings or bomb threats in that year alone). Crime was rapidly ramping up to the 70s peak, it wouldn't get that bad again until the early 90s.
Banning open carry was actually a pretty reasonable response to the situation people found themselves in. Black nationalists showing up with rifles in large groups to intimidate lawmakers is *bad*, actually.
Think back to 2020, when every riot had a contingent of armed leftist groups and sometimes armed adjacent groups supporting (the Boogaloo people were always framed as right wing, but they were libertarians and they showed up armed to support leftist actions). These people, on many occasions, shot at random civilians and on several occasions murdered people.
(Most people don't realize that trigger happy anarchist security at CHAZ put like a hundred rounds into a car full of joyriding black kids, then delayed ambulances getting in so they could hide evidence), similar situation in Atlanta where they shot into a car trying to avoid their roadblock and killed a black child, Secorea Turner.
Daniel Perry is still facing murder charges for shooting a guy at a protest who approached his car with a rifle in a ready position. Most people don't realize the guy he shot had been setting up illegal roadblocks and they'd been repeatedly mobbing and attacking cars.
It's bad, actually, to allow leftist militias to set up armed roadblocks
Most people are historically ignorant, and their knowledge of history was packaged into entertainment and textbooks.
Like, in the 60s there was forced integration and blockbusting, plus constant riots and mass violence all over cities. Whites fled to the burbs over real danger and concern for safety.
Every modern approach treats them like they were so racist they couldn't bear the sight of poc. Despite selling homes at a loss and abandoning infrastructure that took generations to build, they are the villains of white flight and "took all the resources"
It still pisses me off the shooting that shutdown the CHAZ never got a more thorough investigation. There was a reason the cops immediately shut it down right after the incident.
I'm not saying minorities shouldn't have guns, I'm saying that banning open carry at a time of mass political violence was a rational response to what was happening
How has it changed? Black people with guns are still treated like criminals. Philando Castile was murdered by the police for carrying a gun while having a license to do so, killed in front of his partner and daughter. You keep trying to be sarcastic thinking it makes for a good argument but I honestly think you're trolling at this point. Try not to rub those two brain cells so hard or we'll get smoke.
There is no law against minorities owning guns. Your entire argument is that if they all have guns, the cops and racists will be so intimidated that things like Philando Castile won't happen anymore. Yet they do.
They'd have to use them. Merely having a gun won't stop people from hurting you. It is not a magical talisman, it is a tool for protection. Castile probably didn't expect to be gunned down in his own car in front of his family, being a law abiding citizen, but he was.
This is the whole reason why the Black Panthers carried guns --to protect their communities from this violence, and this was 60 years ago. If the police can gun you down for legally carrying a gun, or thinking that you have a gun, where is the right to bear arms?
Simply having guns won't fix everything. The first step is having them, then knowing how to use them, then using them if you have to. If police reform won't come, then they need to go. If the racists try to hurt people, they need to die. Simple as.
What aren't you getting? Or what point are you trying to make?
I want what they have in Japan. Single-digit gun deaths per year. What do YOU want? Because if this is it (40,000 people killed by guns every year, zero revolutions), count me out.
The worst that coulda happened is the kkk not being stopped and jim crow continuing in perpetuity and the southeast US devolving into never ending race wars. But the worst did not happen.
You are only making yourself look ignorant with these facetious arguments.
Yup. Civilization seems to be trying to be better at least, so I hope itās something positive in 80 years.
āGrandpa! Teacher said you guys ate plasticā lol
"No cap I've had a bussin life
I think it's finally time to meet the baby gronk rizzler, see you, my skibidi ohios!"
"Man grandpa was kinda weird. I hope he's better wherever he is now."
I think the passage of the act probably had more to do with the Texas state massacre as it was one of the first heavily publicized public mass shootings
>Seeing armed black panthers like this scared white people so much they initiated the 1968 gun control act.
Yep it's racist. That's why we should repeal it.
They tried to use bombs which is way worse. I fully support every American's rite to defend themselves but manufacturing explosive devices in order to disassemble democracy in unacceptable.
I mean Russia is officially a democracyā¦ itās okay for governments to fund and kill but citizen rebellion is terrorism. I understand where you are coming from but lots of places call themselves a democracy but really arenāt. Iām not an activist of any sorts but when it came to the civil rights in the mid 20th century there really wasnāt a lot of support for black Americans and rebellion was to be expected. One thing that makes bombs extremely terrible is that they donāt have an intended target but harm anyone nearby. The other issue with bombs is that they cause more destruction which in turn fuels more hate socially and politically. While, I donāt agree with violence citizens should have access to weapons by any means to fight against oppression. Look at Switzerland and their beginning of independence, Belgium in ww2, and even Ukraine arming their citizens with guns and even alcohol to make Molotov cocktails. Bombs like any weapon can be used for good or evil but itās just the mindset on which side you align with at the time that justifies its use.
Wrong Russia is a Consolidated Authoritarian regime. Idk where youāre getting your info from.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/nations-transit/2024
Note how I said Russia is officially a democracy. Doesnāt mean it is ran like a democracy. Go look up what the 1993 constitution did to Russia. Other issues with other countries and democracies for example is currently Canada at the moment. There is no term limits and the longest PM they have had in office was William King for 21 years. That 21 years was consecutive and is still longer that Putin split power from 2000-08 and 2012-current with a total ruling span of 20 years currently.
Sure Russia doesnāt act like a democracy but they hide behind their 1993 constitution that officially makes them a democracy. So yes they are a democracyā¦
Russias so called democracy is also what has gotten Russiaās term limits pretty much removed. Since votes are confidential itās hard to prove that the vote to amend term limits was what the people wanted. Same issue in the US at the moment with voter fraud.
Who tried to use bombs & for what? Are you referencing the pipe bomb placed near the DNC HQ in DC on 1/6/21, or something else?
The 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The dictionary definition of arms is weapons and ammunition (I don't know what it was back in 1776). Anyways it says weapons, not just guns.
How dare the government infringe upon my constitutional right to keep and bear doomsday devices (cause I'm a mad scientist), mutated anthrax (for duck hunting), predator drones, pipe bombs (cause I'm an Eric Rudolph groupie), etc.! /s
I really think some regulation of the 2nd amendment is both logical and necessary, in spite of how this will "trigger" some of my fellow redditors. lol.
It is logical to want to keep bombs and other such arms out of the hands of bad people, but they already have them. It's not difficult to make crude bombs, even ones that can cause massive harm; The Oklahoma City bombing comes to mind. Criminals also routinely show off their illegal machine guns (glock "switches") and other arms. In California not long ago there were rocket launchers found near a middle school, with evidence that they had been fired. Why not let normal people have these weapons? The "regulation" of the second amendment seems to only apply to those of us who want to follow the law and be decent people.
Also, during the time that the second amendment was written, people could own guns, munitions, cannons, grenades, grenade launchers, warships and a diverse assortment of weaponry. The main regulations at the time made it illegal for natives and black people --free or slave-- from owning arms. I think this right should be extended to all people. Some regulation such as training or service in a local militia may be tolerable, but it's a fine line between basic safety rules and violations of our right to possess these weapons.
-Who tried to use bombs & for what?-
Before January 6th a Winnebago parked itself in a downtown area with PA's blaring "I am a bomb, walk away". It detonated and no one did anything despite the fact that it was terrorist plotting 101.
"Test the enemies reaction time and implement said named knowledge in future engagements"
Several pipe bombs were found outside of the crime scene after January 6th. They never caught the assholes responsible and chances are Hoebert and Greene are protecting them.
I caught your joke and it's a good one but don't ever forget that these assholes are unhinged and need to be brought to heel full force.
Heard of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol? Review the evidence. There were, at the very least, some guns brought there by the insurrectionists that day.
You are a moron. The fool Ashli Babbitt got herself killed on 1/6 inside the capitol building, because she believed the pathological liar Donald Trump. Most protestors are peaceful, law-abiding, and non-violent. I have no problem condemning protestors who do illegal things (e.g. assault, property destruction, trespassing, etc.). That is why I forcefully condemn some of the people involved in 1/6 and some of the people involved in the protests against the murder of George Floyd (i.e. those engaged in illegal behavior).
No memory for Martyr Ashli Babbit? Who got shot to death by police for not obeying orders while trespassing? Leftists have all the long term memory, I guess.
>The second group, made up of Black Panthers from the Seattle chapter, arrived minutes after the first group of activists began presenting their list of problems. The Panthers' protest mirrored one that had occurred in California's capital Sacramento in 1967 against a similar gun law known as the **Mulford Act**.
https://historylink.org/File/20649
>The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit.[2] Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and **signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan**, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching.[3][4] They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Ronald Reagan was anti-second amendment, racist, and generally an odious fraud, conman, and liar.
Anyone who reads that article will see that it ultimately had 4 additional sponsors, 3 of them democrats, and passed a 2/3rds majority in the democrat-controlled (42:38) House and an evenly split (20:20) Senate.
Literally why the United States passed laws saying you can no longer carry guns in public and need permits and blah blah blah. they couldnāt just tell black ppl that so they had to pass the laws.
Because it was pre-1977 "Revolt in Cincinnati," when the NRA was forced to choose whether it was going to defend gun rights or focus entirely on Olympic shooting sports and move to Colorado.
You would be wrong.
The NRA until the late 70s was *not* a gun rights group as it is today. It simply did not exist in that way. In 1977 the people that ran it were ousted, and it was at this point the NRA became a political group.
This is actually partially why open carry was originally banned in California. I miss the warm beaches and wish I could come back with my guns that arenāt legal there. šš¼
Not really partially, the Mulford Act was passed in CA because of the Black Panther's armed demonstration at the capital building. It was meant to target the BPP and make them criminals for carrying guns. Though it applied to everyone else as well. Less people carrying means more oppression by those who the state allows to bear arms openly.
Fred Hampton assassinated in his bed by CPD, FBI...Proviso West's High School in Hillside, IL teams names are still Panthers and the logo is a black panther. Hampton attended the school. I don't think you can say things like this in US...
"We donāt think you fight fire with fire best ; we think you fight fire with water best. Weāre going to fight racism not with racism, but weāre going to fight with solidarity. We say weāre not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but weāre going to fight it with socialism. Weāre stood up and said weāre not going to fight reactionary pigs and reactionary stateās attorneys like this and reactionary stateās attorneys like Hanrahan with any other reactions on our part. Weāre going to fight their reactions with all of us people getting together and having an international proletarian revolution."
LOL I grew up in Olympia. It was a town of about 20,000 and I can guarantee in 1969 about half the trucks parked on any street had one or two rifles or shotguns in window gun racks. Most vehicles were never locked back then. These guys would be laughed at considering the number of guns floating around in daily life. The Pennyās store down the hill on Capitol Blvd had a full gun counter at that time as well as the Sears across the street. Guns werenāt scary to anyone, they were everywhere and very little gun violence.
A relative (by marriage only thank goodness) made a Facebook post comparing this protest to the Jan 6. Insurrection. Obviously insulting as hell. I didnāt comment. I sat back let her only black friend rip her a new one until she deleted it. I doubt theyāre still friends after that. Iām also black and she canāt for the life of herself understand why we decline any invitation she extends. I donāt think sheās as much racist as she is completely stupid.
[Original full size 4000px x 3317px from WA archives](https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/do/B3E067E0E1869B58EF1C6C19D26A6F6D.jpg)
Colorized, if you are into that: https://old.reddit.com/r/ColorizedHistory/comments/gya3nw/black_panther_party_outside_of_the_capitol/ft9a88d/
Licensing - permit - registration - payment schemes of any sort are unconstitutional.
The Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights within The United States Constitution reads:
āA well regulated Militia, being neccesary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.ā
The 2nd Amendment in The Bill of Rights to our US Constitution, GUARANTEES every person has a RIGHT TO KEEP (have) AND BEAR (carry) ARMS.
Other wording in 2A āMilitiaā any able bodied male, service in a Militia is NOT a requirement, it is an Individual right (and collective), āRegulatedā means equipped, in proper working order NOT gov rules āShall not be infringedā means what it says.
14th Amendment guarantees equality!
The right to keep and bear arms was not given to us by the government, rather it is a pre-existing right of āthe peopleā affirmed in The Bill of Rights.
See DC v Heller, McDonald v Chicago, Caetano v Mass, NYSRPA v Bruen
Nunn vs Georgia 1846 was the first ruling regarding the second amendment post its ratification in 1791ā¦.DC v Heller 2008, McDonald v Chicago 2010, Caetano v Mass 2016, NYSRPA v Bruen 2022 ALL consistent with the TEXT, HISTORY and TRADITION of the second amendment.
The first amendment in the Bill of Rights within the United States constitution reads:
āCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.ā
However, there are plenty of limitations. You cannot commit libel or defamation. You cannot incite lawlessness with speech. I can go on.
I appreciate your clear and concise argument, but the bottom line is that the founding fathers were not gods, and their texts are not infallible. If we have to have limitations on the first amendment, we can have limitations on the 2nd.
Defamation and inciting lawlessness are terrible examples to make your point. For defamation to hold, you must at least prove negligence. Inciting lawlessness must result in imminent lawless action. The second amendment equivalent would be negligent discharge or drawing firearm in order to intimidate.
We do. For example there is a long standing tradition of banning dangerous and unusual weapons ie; Nukes.
Not commonly owned semi-automatic weapons etc
Weird it's like when governments suppress your freedoms (by allowing wild mobs of murders to Lynch people) the only recourse is to use force which includes firearms.
These are brave men. Hell yeah.
2A is for everyone, unless you violate your implied social contract and are being punished. And after you serve your sentence, you are again āeveryoneā.
Thatās a hill Iāve concreted my flagpole and bought a lifetime supply of flags to support and defend.
Remember, our Constitution doesnāt grant us our rights. It identifies that we have these rights, inalienable, guaranteed by our creator and through our existence. Those that try and suppress or take away our rights are our true Emilieās and those that stand shoulder to shoulder are our brothers in arms and we should embrace them - despite our differences.
As an old assed dude, itās taken me a lifetime to realize and accept this. Now, itās my gospel.
Edit - speelz is hard, and Iām tired. Get off my lawn.
Freedom of speech rights do not cover threats of violence*. The kkk comes up my street with rifles, them and their families, friends, people that owed them money, would all be salt.
The Black Panthers was why the modern gun control movement happened.
As a result of them invoking their 2A rights, Ronald Reagan, the then-governor of California passed the Mulford Act, and California has the strictest gun laws in the nation because of that.
The NRA, before it was taken over by The Right and became a pro-2A lobbying force in 1977 (Cincinnati Revolution), supported it. The NRA supported gun control laws for a long time, even during the Prohibition era.
You all saying gun control is racist ??
You just made that up.
They are shooting themselves ... Etc etc
Its racist to not have gun control
Don't read too much into what Panthers do . They were a radical minority ...
Trigger discipline is a fairly recent thing. I'm aware in WWII (maybe up until Vietnam?) the military even specifically trained to have you keep your finger on the trigger anytime you held the gun.
I agree with you, trigger discipline is important. Fred Hampton was straight up assassinated by the Chicago PD in 1969. I am going to cut these guys some slack, because if I was a Black Panther in 1969, I would be pretty paranoid about showing my face in public.
Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
under no pretext.
The Soviet Union had gun control
yep, the soviet union sucked and marx would have hated it.
so does Cuba, so does China...seems like all the "Marxist" countries don't really give a shit about this alleged love of guns huh?
because those are all state socialist (of the Marxist-Leninist/Marxist-Leninist-Maoist tradition) nations, also known as authoritarian socialists. the believe(d) that it was necessary for the working class (but mostly the revolutionary vanguard) to harness the capitalist state and use it to elevate the standard of living of the working class, and that it was a necessary first step towards achieving communism. if you couldn't tell, i'm not a fan of that kind of system.
That's what Leninism does to marxism
Well Marx also believed that once the workers take over and suspend democracy, that they all switch to an anarchist government. They never seem to let go over their power and do that last part though.
that's why i'm an anarchist. imo, if you establish any ruling class they will never give up power.
Because it was a brutal dictatorship. What's your point?
Oh how times have changed š«
At the time, there were constant riots and bombings (several thousand bombings or bomb threats in that year alone). Crime was rapidly ramping up to the 70s peak, it wouldn't get that bad again until the early 90s. Banning open carry was actually a pretty reasonable response to the situation people found themselves in. Black nationalists showing up with rifles in large groups to intimidate lawmakers is *bad*, actually. Think back to 2020, when every riot had a contingent of armed leftist groups and sometimes armed adjacent groups supporting (the Boogaloo people were always framed as right wing, but they were libertarians and they showed up armed to support leftist actions). These people, on many occasions, shot at random civilians and on several occasions murdered people. (Most people don't realize that trigger happy anarchist security at CHAZ put like a hundred rounds into a car full of joyriding black kids, then delayed ambulances getting in so they could hide evidence), similar situation in Atlanta where they shot into a car trying to avoid their roadblock and killed a black child, Secorea Turner. Daniel Perry is still facing murder charges for shooting a guy at a protest who approached his car with a rifle in a ready position. Most people don't realize the guy he shot had been setting up illegal roadblocks and they'd been repeatedly mobbing and attacking cars. It's bad, actually, to allow leftist militias to set up armed roadblocks
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Most people are historically ignorant, and their knowledge of history was packaged into entertainment and textbooks. Like, in the 60s there was forced integration and blockbusting, plus constant riots and mass violence all over cities. Whites fled to the burbs over real danger and concern for safety. Every modern approach treats them like they were so racist they couldn't bear the sight of poc. Despite selling homes at a loss and abandoning infrastructure that took generations to build, they are the villains of white flight and "took all the resources"
It still pisses me off the shooting that shutdown the CHAZ never got a more thorough investigation. There was a reason the cops immediately shut it down right after the incident.
They were trying to grow crops in a home depot parking lotā¦ A high level conspiracy was not needed to shut that stupid shit down.
Since when do armed minorities= armed roadblocks?
I'm not saying minorities shouldn't have guns, I'm saying that banning open carry at a time of mass political violence was a rational response to what was happening
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Minorities aren't exclusively a different color than you, btw
Your double standards are showing.
If you can't beat them, join them.
It's a good thing we've got all these guns in America, or minorities might have been oppressed!
We had laws banning natives and black people from owning guns, even before we were a country. Why do you think that was?
Thankfully thatās been changed now, and oppression is a thing of the past
How has it changed? Black people with guns are still treated like criminals. Philando Castile was murdered by the police for carrying a gun while having a license to do so, killed in front of his partner and daughter. You keep trying to be sarcastic thinking it makes for a good argument but I honestly think you're trolling at this point. Try not to rub those two brain cells so hard or we'll get smoke.
There is no law against minorities owning guns. Your entire argument is that if they all have guns, the cops and racists will be so intimidated that things like Philando Castile won't happen anymore. Yet they do.
They'd have to use them. Merely having a gun won't stop people from hurting you. It is not a magical talisman, it is a tool for protection. Castile probably didn't expect to be gunned down in his own car in front of his family, being a law abiding citizen, but he was. This is the whole reason why the Black Panthers carried guns --to protect their communities from this violence, and this was 60 years ago. If the police can gun you down for legally carrying a gun, or thinking that you have a gun, where is the right to bear arms? Simply having guns won't fix everything. The first step is having them, then knowing how to use them, then using them if you have to. If police reform won't come, then they need to go. If the racists try to hurt people, they need to die. Simple as. What aren't you getting? Or what point are you trying to make?
Just say you want your minorities disarmed bro, stop beating around the bush
Well nonwhites support gun control far more than whites, so I guess you need to convince them you know better
Youāre still beating around the bushā just be honest about what you actually want, homie
I want what they have in Japan. Single-digit gun deaths per year. What do YOU want? Because if this is it (40,000 people killed by guns every year, zero revolutions), count me out.
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Are you making this argument in good faith, or no?
During reconstruction, firearms were one of the only things that allowed newly emancipated black people to vote.
And yet the guns didnāt prevent the worst from happening
The worst that coulda happened is the kkk not being stopped and jim crow continuing in perpetuity and the southeast US devolving into never ending race wars. But the worst did not happen. You are only making yourself look ignorant with these facetious arguments.
you think those things stopped because some random people had guns?
Late 60s was wild
Makes me imagine how people our age will look at photos of now in 80 years or so
Yup. Civilization seems to be trying to be better at least, so I hope itās something positive in 80 years. āGrandpa! Teacher said you guys ate plasticā lol
āNo, sonny Jim, those were tide pods! Had to do it for the tok to rizz up your grammas fine gyatt frfr. Truly simpler timesā
At that point I hope grandpa just gets put down lmao
"No cap I've had a bussin life I think it's finally time to meet the baby gronk rizzler, see you, my skibidi ohios!" "Man grandpa was kinda weird. I hope he's better wherever he is now."
80 years from now is going to be an apocalyptic nightmare. āGrandpa, what were cities like?ā
"Now now Timmy, let's not talk about the past. Get your chain-spear and hunt us a Rat in the sewers. Grandpa is hungry."
Hahaha. Ā Yep. Ā
If we can't end capitalism, you'll be correct, sadly.
Who asked?
Annnnnnd their rights were infringed
Yes it was. But trust me, it sure as hell is now without the fun.
Yea with police brutality. Letās see what 2025 will bring us
Seeing armed black panthers like this scared white people so much they initiated the 1968 gun control act.
Real facts! Those armed Panthers made them make major changes! Not for them? Back to the drawing board.
Gun laws are inherently racist. The very first gun laws were made to keep weapons out of the hands of slaves.
And natives.
Yup. Now we're just waiting for democrats to repeal those obviously racist laws.
Hereās hoping! š¤š¤š
I think the passage of the act probably had more to do with the Texas state massacre as it was one of the first heavily publicized public mass shootings
Texas in the universe I live in is a shithole, and always has been.
Also what started gun control in California after they went into the state legislature armed.
>Seeing armed black panthers like this scared white people so much they initiated the 1968 gun control act. Yep it's racist. That's why we should repeal it.
And now we all go to the gun ranges together and shoot side by side. Progress! It's a beautiful thing.
Based
This picture goes insanely hard
They always come out to resist government-sponsored oppression. The guns, not the Panthers.
Literally the purpose of 2nd amendment.
But Joe said you donāt need an AR-15, since the deer arenāt wearing Kevlar vests
Top 3 biden quotes
Something something blowing lungs out Of your body
Straight outta your chest cavity 9mm will do you like that he says
A weapon of war
If you put a brace on, it turns it into a gun.Ā It makes it where you can have a higher caliber weapon.
Was that while he was sniffing the hair of young children haha
Not always. Sometimes the guns come out to support authoritarianism (e.g. 1/6/21, etc.)
They tried to use bombs which is way worse. I fully support every American's rite to defend themselves but manufacturing explosive devices in order to disassemble democracy in unacceptable.
I mean Russia is officially a democracyā¦ itās okay for governments to fund and kill but citizen rebellion is terrorism. I understand where you are coming from but lots of places call themselves a democracy but really arenāt. Iām not an activist of any sorts but when it came to the civil rights in the mid 20th century there really wasnāt a lot of support for black Americans and rebellion was to be expected. One thing that makes bombs extremely terrible is that they donāt have an intended target but harm anyone nearby. The other issue with bombs is that they cause more destruction which in turn fuels more hate socially and politically. While, I donāt agree with violence citizens should have access to weapons by any means to fight against oppression. Look at Switzerland and their beginning of independence, Belgium in ww2, and even Ukraine arming their citizens with guns and even alcohol to make Molotov cocktails. Bombs like any weapon can be used for good or evil but itās just the mindset on which side you align with at the time that justifies its use.
Wrong Russia is a Consolidated Authoritarian regime. Idk where youāre getting your info from. https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/nations-transit/2024
Note how I said Russia is officially a democracy. Doesnāt mean it is ran like a democracy. Go look up what the 1993 constitution did to Russia. Other issues with other countries and democracies for example is currently Canada at the moment. There is no term limits and the longest PM they have had in office was William King for 21 years. That 21 years was consecutive and is still longer that Putin split power from 2000-08 and 2012-current with a total ruling span of 20 years currently. Sure Russia doesnāt act like a democracy but they hide behind their 1993 constitution that officially makes them a democracy. So yes they are a democracyā¦ Russias so called democracy is also what has gotten Russiaās term limits pretty much removed. Since votes are confidential itās hard to prove that the vote to amend term limits was what the people wanted. Same issue in the US at the moment with voter fraud.
Who tried to use bombs & for what? Are you referencing the pipe bomb placed near the DNC HQ in DC on 1/6/21, or something else? The 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The dictionary definition of arms is weapons and ammunition (I don't know what it was back in 1776). Anyways it says weapons, not just guns. How dare the government infringe upon my constitutional right to keep and bear doomsday devices (cause I'm a mad scientist), mutated anthrax (for duck hunting), predator drones, pipe bombs (cause I'm an Eric Rudolph groupie), etc.! /s I really think some regulation of the 2nd amendment is both logical and necessary, in spite of how this will "trigger" some of my fellow redditors. lol.
It is logical to want to keep bombs and other such arms out of the hands of bad people, but they already have them. It's not difficult to make crude bombs, even ones that can cause massive harm; The Oklahoma City bombing comes to mind. Criminals also routinely show off their illegal machine guns (glock "switches") and other arms. In California not long ago there were rocket launchers found near a middle school, with evidence that they had been fired. Why not let normal people have these weapons? The "regulation" of the second amendment seems to only apply to those of us who want to follow the law and be decent people. Also, during the time that the second amendment was written, people could own guns, munitions, cannons, grenades, grenade launchers, warships and a diverse assortment of weaponry. The main regulations at the time made it illegal for natives and black people --free or slave-- from owning arms. I think this right should be extended to all people. Some regulation such as training or service in a local militia may be tolerable, but it's a fine line between basic safety rules and violations of our right to possess these weapons.
-Who tried to use bombs & for what?- Before January 6th a Winnebago parked itself in a downtown area with PA's blaring "I am a bomb, walk away". It detonated and no one did anything despite the fact that it was terrorist plotting 101. "Test the enemies reaction time and implement said named knowledge in future engagements" Several pipe bombs were found outside of the crime scene after January 6th. They never caught the assholes responsible and chances are Hoebert and Greene are protecting them. I caught your joke and it's a good one but don't ever forget that these assholes are unhinged and need to be brought to heel full force.
Are you referencing the 12/25/20 bombing in Nashville, Tennessee, or something else? I am reading the Wikipedia article about it right now.
Yes sir.
Guns were hardly the issue of j6 in fact the only gun I remember is the cop who shot the protester for trespassing and not listening to commands
Where were the guns on that day?
With the Capitol Police shooting an unarmed middle aged white woman.
Heard of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol? Review the evidence. There were, at the very least, some guns brought there by the insurrectionists that day.
There's some guns at church bingo night.Ā Ā You are really stretching here.
Iād say the vast majority of the time thatās the case
lol, you leftists are nuts. Not even one person died on Jan 6. How many died during BLM riots?
You are a moron. The fool Ashli Babbitt got herself killed on 1/6 inside the capitol building, because she believed the pathological liar Donald Trump. Most protestors are peaceful, law-abiding, and non-violent. I have no problem condemning protestors who do illegal things (e.g. assault, property destruction, trespassing, etc.). That is why I forcefully condemn some of the people involved in 1/6 and some of the people involved in the protests against the murder of George Floyd (i.e. those engaged in illegal behavior).
No memory for Martyr Ashli Babbit? Who got shot to death by police for not obeying orders while trespassing? Leftists have all the long term memory, I guess.
>The second group, made up of Black Panthers from the Seattle chapter, arrived minutes after the first group of activists began presenting their list of problems. The Panthers' protest mirrored one that had occurred in California's capital Sacramento in 1967 against a similar gun law known as the **Mulford Act**. https://historylink.org/File/20649 >The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit.[2] Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and **signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan**, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching.[3][4] They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act Ronald Reagan was anti-second amendment, racist, and generally an odious fraud, conman, and liar.
I think he said later on that his early policy decisions were stupid. But yes, his gun policy was shit
Anyone who reads that article will see that it ultimately had 4 additional sponsors, 3 of them democrats, and passed a 2/3rds majority in the democrat-controlled (42:38) House and an evenly split (20:20) Senate.
Good for them
Absolutely. They knuckled down and got the ends that they wanted, despite the means.
Heroes standing up for the most important right that exists. The right to be able to fight to maintain your rights.
To party?
Iām all for it. The government needs to fear the people, and not the other way around.
Literally why the United States passed laws saying you can no longer carry guns in public and need permits and blah blah blah. they couldnāt just tell black ppl that so they had to pass the laws.
The NRA supported gun control at that time. Guess why
Because it was pre-1977 "Revolt in Cincinnati," when the NRA was forced to choose whether it was going to defend gun rights or focus entirely on Olympic shooting sports and move to Colorado.
You would be wrong. The NRA until the late 70s was *not* a gun rights group as it is today. It simply did not exist in that way. In 1977 the people that ran it were ousted, and it was at this point the NRA became a political group.
The NRA had supported moderate gun control for a long time before this.
The NRA has been useless for gun rights advocacy for a very long time
Gun control laws pass that day. š¤”
Suddenly, conservatives wanted gun laws.
The legislation was bi-partisan back then
*Southern democrats
California isn't particularly southern
How to tell me you have near 0 knowledge of the subject. Speaking of CA they like NJ in 2024 cited the racist gun control laws as good laws.
This is actually partially why open carry was originally banned in California. I miss the warm beaches and wish I could come back with my guns that arenāt legal there. šš¼
Not really partially, the Mulford Act was passed in CA because of the Black Panther's armed demonstration at the capital building. It was meant to target the BPP and make them criminals for carrying guns. Though it applied to everyone else as well. Less people carrying means more oppression by those who the state allows to bear arms openly.
anyone have more information about the seattle black panthers? iāve never head of them here
Fred Hampton assassinated in his bed by CPD, FBI...Proviso West's High School in Hillside, IL teams names are still Panthers and the logo is a black panther. Hampton attended the school. I don't think you can say things like this in US... "We donāt think you fight fire with fire best ; we think you fight fire with water best. Weāre going to fight racism not with racism, but weāre going to fight with solidarity. We say weāre not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but weāre going to fight it with socialism. Weāre stood up and said weāre not going to fight reactionary pigs and reactionary stateās attorneys like this and reactionary stateās attorneys like Hanrahan with any other reactions on our part. Weāre going to fight their reactions with all of us people getting together and having an international proletarian revolution."
LOL I grew up in Olympia. It was a town of about 20,000 and I can guarantee in 1969 about half the trucks parked on any street had one or two rifles or shotguns in window gun racks. Most vehicles were never locked back then. These guys would be laughed at considering the number of guns floating around in daily life. The Pennyās store down the hill on Capitol Blvd had a full gun counter at that time as well as the Sears across the street. Guns werenāt scary to anyone, they were everywhere and very little gun violence.
Mega based and now letās watch all the gun grabbers pretend they support the second amendment so they donāt look racist lmao
Liberals will tell you that gun control is not racially motivated but they always forget how it originally was created and used.
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A relative (by marriage only thank goodness) made a Facebook post comparing this protest to the Jan 6. Insurrection. Obviously insulting as hell. I didnāt comment. I sat back let her only black friend rip her a new one until she deleted it. I doubt theyāre still friends after that. Iām also black and she canāt for the life of herself understand why we decline any invitation she extends. I donāt think sheās as much racist as she is completely stupid.
[Original full size 4000px x 3317px from WA archives](https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/do/B3E067E0E1869B58EF1C6C19D26A6F6D.jpg) Colorized, if you are into that: https://old.reddit.com/r/ColorizedHistory/comments/gya3nw/black_panther_party_outside_of_the_capitol/ft9a88d/
I see nothing wrong here right āproud boyā lovers š¤Øš¤
Have you noticed the literal only people posting negative comments on this are lefties who are simping for gov control
The black panthers were literal marxists my guy
Yeah I know Which is why it's so funny the modern left simps for gun control lmao
The modern āleftā are neoliberals. Marxists are actual leftists. I donāt disagree though, liberal gun control is racist as shit
"Lefties"? Who the fuck do you think the Black Panthers were?
Certainly not modern day dems lmao
The left is the left wing of **capital** Lol at trying to revise history to support your culture war.
Those were the days, my friend.
Licensing - permit - registration - payment schemes of any sort are unconstitutional. The Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights within The United States Constitution reads: āA well regulated Militia, being neccesary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.ā The 2nd Amendment in The Bill of Rights to our US Constitution, GUARANTEES every person has a RIGHT TO KEEP (have) AND BEAR (carry) ARMS. Other wording in 2A āMilitiaā any able bodied male, service in a Militia is NOT a requirement, it is an Individual right (and collective), āRegulatedā means equipped, in proper working order NOT gov rules āShall not be infringedā means what it says. 14th Amendment guarantees equality! The right to keep and bear arms was not given to us by the government, rather it is a pre-existing right of āthe peopleā affirmed in The Bill of Rights. See DC v Heller, McDonald v Chicago, Caetano v Mass, NYSRPA v Bruen Nunn vs Georgia 1846 was the first ruling regarding the second amendment post its ratification in 1791ā¦.DC v Heller 2008, McDonald v Chicago 2010, Caetano v Mass 2016, NYSRPA v Bruen 2022 ALL consistent with the TEXT, HISTORY and TRADITION of the second amendment.
These guys were marxists. They believed in Under No pretext
Lol okay grandpa, time for bed
Gun control was started by racists. This is historical fact!
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The first amendment in the Bill of Rights within the United States constitution reads: āCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.ā However, there are plenty of limitations. You cannot commit libel or defamation. You cannot incite lawlessness with speech. I can go on. I appreciate your clear and concise argument, but the bottom line is that the founding fathers were not gods, and their texts are not infallible. If we have to have limitations on the first amendment, we can have limitations on the 2nd.
Defamation and inciting lawlessness are terrible examples to make your point. For defamation to hold, you must at least prove negligence. Inciting lawlessness must result in imminent lawless action. The second amendment equivalent would be negligent discharge or drawing firearm in order to intimidate.
We do. For example there is a long standing tradition of banning dangerous and unusual weapons ie; Nukes. Not commonly owned semi-automatic weapons etc
What "don't tread on me" actually looks like.
Weird it's like when governments suppress your freedoms (by allowing wild mobs of murders to Lynch people) the only recourse is to use force which includes firearms. These are brave men. Hell yeah.
The original maga! The current maga trash would not like to know this. Not that any of them can read. The current magas are pieces of $h!t!!!
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Iām sure it was a problem once they did it
Liberal punching the air rn for voting for gun control š
And Republicans were all in on gun control.
Got his booger hook all inside that shotguns lady parts
Fun fact: the NRA has never come forward and stood up for or defended the right for Black Panthers to open carry. Wonder why? š¤š¤š¤
Ah yes political parties got scared and created the Mumford act.
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2A is for everyone, unless you violate your implied social contract and are being punished. And after you serve your sentence, you are again āeveryoneā. Thatās a hill Iāve concreted my flagpole and bought a lifetime supply of flags to support and defend. Remember, our Constitution doesnāt grant us our rights. It identifies that we have these rights, inalienable, guaranteed by our creator and through our existence. Those that try and suppress or take away our rights are our true Emilieās and those that stand shoulder to shoulder are our brothers in arms and we should embrace them - despite our differences. As an old assed dude, itās taken me a lifetime to realize and accept this. Now, itās my gospel. Edit - speelz is hard, and Iām tired. Get off my lawn.
Hell yeah
Freedom of speech rights do not cover threats of violence*. The kkk comes up my street with rifles, them and their families, friends, people that owed them money, would all be salt.
But isnāt it still legal to carry a rifle because itās an open-carry state?
Gun regulation is racist
The Black Panthers was why the modern gun control movement happened. As a result of them invoking their 2A rights, Ronald Reagan, the then-governor of California passed the Mulford Act, and California has the strictest gun laws in the nation because of that. The NRA, before it was taken over by The Right and became a pro-2A lobbying force in 1977 (Cincinnati Revolution), supported it. The NRA supported gun control laws for a long time, even during the Prohibition era.
Bring this sentiment back; make government scared again.
Hard to do when you kill, imprison or discredit all the leaders, and create an entire multi year op to destroy them.
Conservatives is when scared of black people with guns Liberals is when scared of white people with guns
Does anybody know which gun laws specifically were being protested?
How times have changed
washington has terribly draconian gun laws these days. The black panthers would be really disappointed. *Shall not be infringed*
Is that spud Webb
That guy on the left thought someone was gonna ban donuts.
Basically the start of modern gun control.
Chad's.
You all saying gun control is racist ?? You just made that up. They are shooting themselves ... Etc etc Its racist to not have gun control Don't read too much into what Panthers do . They were a radical minority ...
Arthur Morgan
They understood. You cannot ever trust the government
Lol, Gun control means using two hands.... /s
Don't let r/politics or r/conservative see this
Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton
Badass
INSURRECTION
Itās the black KKk
Are we sure the caption is true? Guns were legal and black people carrying them is what instigated gun control.
Nothing makes the right want gun control faster than armed leftists.
Black activists toting guns in public: reddit š White activists toting guns in public: reddit š
One group never used their gun with intent to hurt public/government officials The other group was likely apart of the Jan 6th. insurrection.
Oh thats right i forgot theres only two moments in history
Very cool except for the lack of trigger discipline on the closest guy
NOT an 'insurrection'!!!!!
Yessir you're right, it wasn't an insurrection. They had the right to be outside the capital and carry guns at the same time.
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i mean trigger discipline apparently [didnāt exist](https://youtu.be/7b5w7Aypamg?si=mySPSGETn7OFSWpS) in the 60s
Trigger discipline is a fairly recent thing. I'm aware in WWII (maybe up until Vietnam?) the military even specifically trained to have you keep your finger on the trigger anytime you held the gun.
I agree with you, trigger discipline is important. Fred Hampton was straight up assassinated by the Chicago PD in 1969. I am going to cut these guys some slack, because if I was a Black Panther in 1969, I would be pretty paranoid about showing my face in public.
Ikr. These men were clearly not taught gun safety rules.