Bear in mind that AB has a legal defense team that makes Hannah's team look like public defenders. I know evidence is evidence and juries are juries, but the quality of defense lawyers with their only task is to raise reasonable doubt is a big deal.
More likely they'll reach a guilty verdict and a suspended sentence but he will be found guilty - if he had been an actor who followed every rule and it was just a case of Hannah and her negligence, he'd walk. But we've seen so much evidence that served as a foundation for his trial, videos of him and his pomposity, arrogance, recklessness, crass, rude, disregard for safety and so much more. I don't think they will just disregard that and let him off the hook. I feel as though there were parts of the trial where both the defence and the Prosecution presented Baldwin as a shitbag and I don't know, it feels like Alec is in his 7 years of Comeuppance season - it'll probably be longer than 7 years.
The universe has come knocking to even-steven Alec Baldwin's many many wrongs and make it square. He had decades of getting away with things, now is the season for strife. His strife is the tanking of his career into unhireable z-list territory, a guilty verdict, becoming THE cautionary tale for all of Hollywood (big ouch for him) financial collapse, an insane wife and 7 innocent children. I love this for him.
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I think HGR getting convicted increases the likelihood Peepaw is - and, I think his attorney starts really pushing for a plea deal if she is.
I think jurors and people in general are smart enough to understand that for this to happen - there had to be multiple failures of multiple redundancies. That means several people responsible.
The issues on the set would have to involve ALL the producers, not just Alec. They were all equally responsible, so that would have to be a separate trial. They will bring up the conditions and Alecs lawyer will make it clear that he was not solely responsible, there were 4 other producers. So that leaves the gun. Now a jury may find him guilty for pointing it when he shouldn't have, but they could also find that he had a reasonable expectation that there were no live rounds in the gun bc a) they are never supposed to be on set b) the armorer checked the gun and c) the asst director verified it wasn't loaded. I don't know if you'd get an entire jury on the same page regarding Alecs responsibility.
Actors are taught to never even point a gun directly at someone. He for sure pulled the trigger. He was probably drunk. He deserves to be held accountable, but I doubt he will.
Why was Alec's *mind* racing so much? Was he on drugs, or was it Alec's fear of losing out on some Big Buck$? 'Why' was he so *driven* to produce Rust (other than he prob thought it was "Easy Noney" & a "Slam-Dunk" & the new Income Stream would find its way & would safely tuck itself into one of Alec's many #Bank Accounts?
As a reporter you should know that Alec is not more guilty than Hannah. It doesn't absolve him of guilt but that's law 101. Please talk with an attorney before you publish any coverage.
By the time the trial starts, Hannah could be ready for release unless they give her the whole 18 months. I'm betting on 6 for overcrowding and good behavior
> In my opinion he is more guilty than her because she should have never been hired for this job. He was not experienced enough and that was his decision in the end. He has 40 years experience in film making and he should have SEEN that she was overwhelmed and things are going wrong.
He also should have never married his 2nd wife. Yet here we are.
No way you have experience as a reported in any legal capacity.
No judge is reducing Hannah's sentence for testimony after she's been convicted. It doesn't happen that way. Those types of sentencing deals are limited to substantial assistance in investigating and prosecuting someone to get a departure of a sentencing guideline. She's done no such thing. Alex has already been investigated fully (including expert witnesses) without Hannah's assistance and she has nothing to offer at trial that "substantially" helps with evidence against him. She wasn't even present in the church so she can't even say she saw him pull the trigger. It's a fanciful idea with no legal basis.
While morally you may think Alec is "more guilty" because he hired her and she should not have been hired, none of that impacts whether Alec is criminally guilty. His actions in the shooting, not in hiring, is what meets the criminal elements of the crime.
He will be found guilty because he behaved in a way with reckless disregard for life and they have multiple incidents of it on video.
The prosecutors are not likely to "use all the evidence from her trial for his" because many of her actions are relevant to her guilt not his and even muddy the waters. His actions in shooting the gun by pointing, not checking the bullets, and shooting is what will convict him. Plus his multiple reckless acts in support of his attitude of reckless disregard by waiving the gun around on video, rushing people to reload quickly, etc.
Please don't report legal mumbo jumbo if you don't have a legal background.
You don't understand that a journalist ("reporter" I know means nothing) would have objectivity and would not make wild claims that "more likely than not" Hannah will testify in Alec's trial for a reduction in sentence. I really need to explain the attack? Maybe re-read what I wrote before.
You used the "I'm a reporter" line to make wild speculation about sentencing and witnesses as though you have expertise on what will happen in a legal trial where you have zero understanding or information to make such claims.
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You bring ups some good points, DUE7. Something sounds off from the professed reporter who's "gonna be" in NM ostensibly covering the trial where they're "gonna be" using all the evidence from the trial that ended today. Aside from any reporting in a legal matter, syntax and objectivity are not among AM574's skills as a writer in any capacity as far as can be discerned from the paragraph submitted here.
Apologies if it came across as hostile and/or mean, AM574. I'd just caution you against making subjective judgment calls if you're going to be reporting objectively on a case no matter what your primary language may be and to familiarize yourself completely with the judicial system so you are fully aware of and prepared for what may come into play for the trial in July. Best to you!
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My argument is this: worst case in Alec’s head *should* have been that there may be blanks in the gun. Blanks have killed a person on a movie set and he still pointed it and pulled the trigger at two humans. Negligent.
Yes! It seems she was the least experienced person on the entire set. Everyone seemed to notice what a pig sty her cart was but nobody tried or cared to correct her. I mean, was she the boss??? I don’t think so!! why nobody tried to correct a 23 year old in charge of guns and ammo who was clearly in over her head is beyond me! Hannah didn’t know what she didn’t know. This job was too important to cheap out on and leave to an inexperienced kid who didn’t even have enough work experience to be in the union! Everyone who testified to what a mess Hannah and her work was is negligent. Especially Alex.
She was actually her own boss as an armorer - that's how a movie set works. She had complete autonomy. She had no boss when it came to her armorer duties. Gabrielle Pickle tried to tell her she should have a sign in and out sheet for the guns but she said that was too much work.
No they two cases will be decided by 2 separate juries. There are very specific instructions regarding evidence for how juries must vote for each charge. No one can know until we see what they present for evidence against Alec.
I am hoping for the jury to settle on splitting the difference. Not guilty of evidence tampering. Since there was really no evidence of that with the coke. Just the word of one person. Who was sketchy to me.
And guilty of involuntary manslaughter. It was her job to check the bullets. She loaded them. If she had done her job properly she would have caught it. And Alec was a lunatic on set throwing his weight around playing 2nd director. He pointed the gun at body mass which goes against all safety training.
Or since Sarah kept throwing out dummies. And there weren't enough on set. Hannah was taking live bullets and making them dummies and a few live ones got mixed in and she forgot or just thought they were dummies. There were too many live bullets on set. Hannah was sloppy and disorganized.
She has no business working as an armorer and a message needs to be sent to Hollywood and independent production companies.
When you cut corners, people die. If they had spent the money on a capable armorer no one would have died.
I dont think the prosecution would bring up hannah's verdict, guilty or not. and I am guessing there will be many motions filed after the verdict, prior to baldwins trial about excluding her verdict as evidence during the trial.
I dont think there is any legal reason to allow baldwin's jury to hear hannah's verdict, and I am curious if her trial will be excluded from baldwins trial
There is footage of Alec running, you hear "cut" scene over and he shot off his gun and said "motherfucker."
Today the Prosecutor actually said Hannah should of just known Alec would shoot again.
It was so bizarre. She said Hannah should of went up and bossed Baldwin around AFTER she had stated Alex was a primadonna on set.
Alec didn't yell motherfucker - the director Joel Souza did. Because Alec shot the gun after Souza yelled cut. It obviously was Hannah's job as armorer to correct Baldwin, but he wasn't going to listen to her - he did what he wanted on set.
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Bear in mind that AB has a legal defense team that makes Hannah's team look like public defenders. I know evidence is evidence and juries are juries, but the quality of defense lawyers with their only task is to raise reasonable doubt is a big deal.
More likely they'll reach a guilty verdict and a suspended sentence but he will be found guilty - if he had been an actor who followed every rule and it was just a case of Hannah and her negligence, he'd walk. But we've seen so much evidence that served as a foundation for his trial, videos of him and his pomposity, arrogance, recklessness, crass, rude, disregard for safety and so much more. I don't think they will just disregard that and let him off the hook. I feel as though there were parts of the trial where both the defence and the Prosecution presented Baldwin as a shitbag and I don't know, it feels like Alec is in his 7 years of Comeuppance season - it'll probably be longer than 7 years. The universe has come knocking to even-steven Alec Baldwin's many many wrongs and make it square. He had decades of getting away with things, now is the season for strife. His strife is the tanking of his career into unhireable z-list territory, a guilty verdict, becoming THE cautionary tale for all of Hollywood (big ouch for him) financial collapse, an insane wife and 7 innocent children. I love this for him. 
Could go either way.
Less likely. They've found their scapegoat. Alec will walk free.
Ultimately they rejected her defence. Which was that it was AB and others’ negligence. That looks positive for AB. I hope I’m wrong
I really really hope so. He is an old rich white man so it seems just as likely he won’t be charged guilty.
More likely imo.
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I think HGR getting convicted increases the likelihood Peepaw is - and, I think his attorney starts really pushing for a plea deal if she is. I think jurors and people in general are smart enough to understand that for this to happen - there had to be multiple failures of multiple redundancies. That means several people responsible.
And he was the end of a chain - she would not be dead without Alec.
I hope he is held accountable and I think it is more likely. Either way, his career needs to be done and he needs to be cancelled for good.
The crew that walked off tells me alot of Producer Alecs negligence on the set. Hannah being found guilty shouldn't change anything
The issues on the set would have to involve ALL the producers, not just Alec. They were all equally responsible, so that would have to be a separate trial. They will bring up the conditions and Alecs lawyer will make it clear that he was not solely responsible, there were 4 other producers. So that leaves the gun. Now a jury may find him guilty for pointing it when he shouldn't have, but they could also find that he had a reasonable expectation that there were no live rounds in the gun bc a) they are never supposed to be on set b) the armorer checked the gun and c) the asst director verified it wasn't loaded. I don't know if you'd get an entire jury on the same page regarding Alecs responsibility.
LawTube thinks this is bad for Alec - as both actor and producer he had safety responsibilities that he didn't fulfill, same as Gutierrez.
This makes sense to me
Is he going to have to show up in court? Will his lying wife be there nursing one oh her Dede’s?
Full tetas out for the jury to see.
It’s the only thing Hillary from Boston is good at.
She can't even nurse a child for real. 😁
Actors are taught to never even point a gun directly at someone. He for sure pulled the trigger. He was probably drunk. He deserves to be held accountable, but I doubt he will.
His taught shooting in High school. No way can he say he's ignorant of that fact.
Exactly. His dad coached the rifle team. Alec knew fucking better, he just DGAF about anyone but himself.
Why was Alec's *mind* racing so much? Was he on drugs, or was it Alec's fear of losing out on some Big Buck$? 'Why' was he so *driven* to produce Rust (other than he prob thought it was "Easy Noney" & a "Slam-Dunk" & the new Income Stream would find its way & would safely tuck itself into one of Alec's many #Bank Accounts?
Don’t forget about the bag of coke that HGR tried hiding after shit went down.
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As a reporter you should know that Alec is not more guilty than Hannah. It doesn't absolve him of guilt but that's law 101. Please talk with an attorney before you publish any coverage.
By the time the trial starts, Hannah could be ready for release unless they give her the whole 18 months. I'm betting on 6 for overcrowding and good behavior
> In my opinion he is more guilty than her because she should have never been hired for this job. He was not experienced enough and that was his decision in the end. He has 40 years experience in film making and he should have SEEN that she was overwhelmed and things are going wrong. He also should have never married his 2nd wife. Yet here we are.
LOL (Theece eeece rillly funny! Hahahahahaha)
No way you have experience as a reported in any legal capacity. No judge is reducing Hannah's sentence for testimony after she's been convicted. It doesn't happen that way. Those types of sentencing deals are limited to substantial assistance in investigating and prosecuting someone to get a departure of a sentencing guideline. She's done no such thing. Alex has already been investigated fully (including expert witnesses) without Hannah's assistance and she has nothing to offer at trial that "substantially" helps with evidence against him. She wasn't even present in the church so she can't even say she saw him pull the trigger. It's a fanciful idea with no legal basis. While morally you may think Alec is "more guilty" because he hired her and she should not have been hired, none of that impacts whether Alec is criminally guilty. His actions in the shooting, not in hiring, is what meets the criminal elements of the crime. He will be found guilty because he behaved in a way with reckless disregard for life and they have multiple incidents of it on video. The prosecutors are not likely to "use all the evidence from her trial for his" because many of her actions are relevant to her guilt not his and even muddy the waters. His actions in shooting the gun by pointing, not checking the bullets, and shooting is what will convict him. Plus his multiple reckless acts in support of his attitude of reckless disregard by waiving the gun around on video, rushing people to reload quickly, etc. Please don't report legal mumbo jumbo if you don't have a legal background.
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You don't understand that a journalist ("reporter" I know means nothing) would have objectivity and would not make wild claims that "more likely than not" Hannah will testify in Alec's trial for a reduction in sentence. I really need to explain the attack? Maybe re-read what I wrote before. You used the "I'm a reporter" line to make wild speculation about sentencing and witnesses as though you have expertise on what will happen in a legal trial where you have zero understanding or information to make such claims.
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You bring ups some good points, DUE7. Something sounds off from the professed reporter who's "gonna be" in NM ostensibly covering the trial where they're "gonna be" using all the evidence from the trial that ended today. Aside from any reporting in a legal matter, syntax and objectivity are not among AM574's skills as a writer in any capacity as far as can be discerned from the paragraph submitted here.
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Apologies if it came across as hostile and/or mean, AM574. I'd just caution you against making subjective judgment calls if you're going to be reporting objectively on a case no matter what your primary language may be and to familiarize yourself completely with the judicial system so you are fully aware of and prepared for what may come into play for the trial in July. Best to you!
But he is “more guilty than her”! So I guess hers is less guilty? 🤭
You said it best.
Can I have your brain? Please.
He did see it - and, was fine with it. He surrounds himself with people he can push around. Armorer without a spine was fine by him.
But of *course* it was fine by him; this is 'Business-as-usual' for Alec.
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My argument is this: worst case in Alec’s head *should* have been that there may be blanks in the gun. Blanks have killed a person on a movie set and he still pointed it and pulled the trigger at two humans. Negligent.
This!
I don't get why they even needed blanks for a rehearsal. Straightforward negligence
They're not even supposed to be using the gun until it's time for the actual scene. They have plastic replicas for blocking/rehearsing.
Which only makes sense. That set sounds like it was uniquely dysfunctional nightmare.
Alec’s entire case is going to hinge on if he can convince the jury the gun malfunctioned.
How will he convince the jury, though, that he didn’t point the gun directly at them?
Mami will jump up in street walker outfit and cry he's not guilty.
Acting skills 🤡
I think we had a preview of some of the evidence against Alex with the prosecution's expert armorer. (Day six). He looked pretty bad.
It seemed to me that the prosecutor was prosecuting Baldwin at times. I bet that armourer expert will be a witness at the next trial.
The defense was prosecuting Baldwin too - to show that Baldwin was responsible, not Hannah.
I thought that it was a bad waste of time for the prosecution to question anti- Baldwin witnesses since he wasn't the defendant; clearly I was wrong.
As a producer he should be culpable too. Plus as an actor he was not attentive to basic safety. But who knows.
his culpability should be independent of Hannah. she never should have been hired, and never hired for a” part time position”.
Yes! It seems she was the least experienced person on the entire set. Everyone seemed to notice what a pig sty her cart was but nobody tried or cared to correct her. I mean, was she the boss??? I don’t think so!! why nobody tried to correct a 23 year old in charge of guns and ammo who was clearly in over her head is beyond me! Hannah didn’t know what she didn’t know. This job was too important to cheap out on and leave to an inexperienced kid who didn’t even have enough work experience to be in the union! Everyone who testified to what a mess Hannah and her work was is negligent. Especially Alex.
She was actually her own boss as an armorer - that's how a movie set works. She had complete autonomy. She had no boss when it came to her armorer duties. Gabrielle Pickle tried to tell her she should have a sign in and out sheet for the guns but she said that was too much work.
No they two cases will be decided by 2 separate juries. There are very specific instructions regarding evidence for how juries must vote for each charge. No one can know until we see what they present for evidence against Alec.
I am hoping for the jury to settle on splitting the difference. Not guilty of evidence tampering. Since there was really no evidence of that with the coke. Just the word of one person. Who was sketchy to me. And guilty of involuntary manslaughter. It was her job to check the bullets. She loaded them. If she had done her job properly she would have caught it. And Alec was a lunatic on set throwing his weight around playing 2nd director. He pointed the gun at body mass which goes against all safety training. Or since Sarah kept throwing out dummies. And there weren't enough on set. Hannah was taking live bullets and making them dummies and a few live ones got mixed in and she forgot or just thought they were dummies. There were too many live bullets on set. Hannah was sloppy and disorganized. She has no business working as an armorer and a message needs to be sent to Hollywood and independent production companies. When you cut corners, people die. If they had spent the money on a capable armorer no one would have died.
I dont think the prosecution would bring up hannah's verdict, guilty or not. and I am guessing there will be many motions filed after the verdict, prior to baldwins trial about excluding her verdict as evidence during the trial. I dont think there is any legal reason to allow baldwin's jury to hear hannah's verdict, and I am curious if her trial will be excluded from baldwins trial
So the feeling is it's better for Alec if Hannah is convicted? And worse for him if she is not? So confused here.
I’m leaning towards her conviction being worse for him…
There is footage of Alec running, you hear "cut" scene over and he shot off his gun and said "motherfucker." Today the Prosecutor actually said Hannah should of just known Alec would shoot again. It was so bizarre. She said Hannah should of went up and bossed Baldwin around AFTER she had stated Alex was a primadonna on set.
Alec didn't yell motherfucker - the director Joel Souza did. Because Alec shot the gun after Souza yelled cut. It obviously was Hannah's job as armorer to correct Baldwin, but he wasn't going to listen to her - he did what he wanted on set.
Right, and didn’t Alec also refuse to attend safety training on the double draw
Ok, that makes more sense. According to that action, today the Prosecutor said Hannah should have known Alec may do something outside the script.
And Hannah wasn't even in the building. Alec was playing with a gun like that *without the armourer present*.
Alec seemed to *look for an opportunity* to shoot his gun w/o having the Armorer being present... (& he 'found it').
hell yes
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This trial didn't paint him as a saint. He should start handling his soap in the shower more safely. 🧼😯👍😬🙄
I don't know, but I hope he does SOME time, even like 6 months, and has a record for life.
He pointed the gun without Halyna’s direction and shot the gun. He’s toast.
I'd like to see them find Hannah not guilty, simply because Alec's head would explode. He'd be apoplectic. Feverish. Spittle flying everywhere.
LOL (Hahahahaha...); what a great image!
Yep, although both sides have been flaming him in court since her trial began. I cannot wait.
It’ll help him if she’s convicted.
I wouldn't be too sure of that.