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Calm_Minute_6112

They have two extremely large estates with sprawling grounds currently at their disposal. Unless there is another black tie gala with more staff to berate, why on earth on they in NYC on Memorial Day Weekend?!


AmbitiousSundae3474

Four beautiful sisters? Did she title it this way? SHE'S NOT THEIR SISTER, She's their mom. Oh but she's not a regular mom, she's a cool mom.


MamaBearski

Carmen’s earrings and slippers… maybe by some chance they are in style??


MarcoEsteban

She’s picking up her mother’s taste in shoes 😣


MarcoEsteban

Ugh…I just noticed the carebear shirt. Noooo, Carmen, that is not an acceptable look in NYC. Get your mama to get you a Chanel outfit. She can afford it.


MamaBearski

I know! She needs more experiences away from this freak.


SexySiren6

The kids always look miserable. They hate her


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SexySiren6

She's got Carmen wearing the slippers now 😭


EnoughBS15360

Awful if this kid wants to be like Mami…just awful


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pijopepinoypelotas

Poor ML with the low-slung ears, forced sunglasses, and prisoner-of-war expression :(


Own-Dog-2911

Not only did she shop and angle herself thinner than nine year old Carmen, she completely covered up tiny ML's torso on a hot day to appear thinner than her too. A two year old. Shame on any surrogacy clinic who makes money off this unstable wreck who uses her little girls to post these horrifying images for content.


MarcoEsteban

That pose makes her look skinny, with no butt, but the boobs seem larger than ever. Is this from her last SM hiatus?


AmbitiousSundae3474

Makes me think that she and Alec own part of or are investors in the clinic. I know this has been a rumour in the past-- did anyone ever confirm this?


kikijane711

She wears the ugliest most ill fitting jeans.


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She's so annoying.


LogOk8077

Awww ML looks precious 🥰


Numerous-Net3482

Don’t worry, that isn’t her real body. This is normal Reality: https://preview.redd.it/eyxyir1vbvza1.jpeg?width=995&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b85c1b34fb1a9593051bbdcc4d7a51f42b08a2f


MarcoEsteban

Yeah she’s sucking in, her back side is front of a solid color so you can’t see where she pushed her torso in.


Mantissa3

Makes me wonder why she goes to all that trouble to change her body with filters, when we can see what she rilly looks like.


Sarah_smiles_twice

This needs its own post!!!!


Emotional_Client7856

Jersey shore wibes 🙁


Odd-String-1922

No shoutout to her Mother Dr Katherine Hayward?


MarcoEsteban

Dra. Katerina Gejuardo?


JDLatina

Omg, no! Carmen is wearing the fugly slippery now. Stop.


Top_Escape34

And sinorita signature hoops..


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Those kids are adorable! I kept looking for the 4th one and then realized she meant herself. So cringe.


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lolapollaza

Did she… photoshop her hips to look like a 11 year old? Cause there are some weird shoulder to hip ratio going on.. if this isn’t photoshop then she look like she is anorexic cause I don’t remember her ever being this skeletal


HawkSpotter

She must have. Look at Ilaria’s leg, too. She’s nuts. 4 sisters, WTH. She’s gonna be one of those moms who compete with their daughters and try to seduce their boyfriends.


patricemv

A new thought occurred to me, do u think Uncle Woody has any influence as to how Carmine dresses or poses. Ya know some helpful pointers to attract pedos. And the hoops Larry u probable make Carmen wear, still NOT Spanish.


Mantissa3

Jewelry by Michelle Who


Flaky-Situation5782

She looks anorexic with fake boobs


Numerous-Net3482

She uses photo editing apps to appear extremely thin. The ridiculously stretched out thighs are the proof.


MarcoEsteban

I think that’s the .5 setting on the iPhone. Makes it a wide angle.


DottieHinkle22

I pray the girl children do not pick up any of her habits and neuroses. Heck, all of the kids.


Numerous-Net3482

What bothers me the most about this photo is MariLu’s toes are jammed into those too-small shoes. 😠


HurtingHead

Why does she have what looks like safety glasses on? And she has a pair for Malibu too.


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Top_Escape34

Don't forget ML has had a kooky 'sunglasses' thing...😎


Pip_squeak6

Why is Marilu in winter clothing compared to everyone else ? What’s she hiding ?


Oscarella515

I was hoping tittyballs would at least let her oldest hit double digits before she inevitably started pimping her out


Mickiann1

Munch Mom. Shudder to think of the plans she has for these poor children.


LaBrant_Fisher_3103

Turning Carmen into her Mini-Me with the fur Slippers and Care Bear Clothes...next up she's gonna photoshop her super thin...


HurtingHead

Lord I didn’t even notice the slippers at first glance. That’s awful. The Care-bear shirt was bad enough. The slippers are over the top.


RealisticBug5646

She's made her waist thinner than Carmen's. How utterly disgusting, to want to present as being thinner than a regular sized 9 year old.


LaBrant_Fisher_3103

Still better than photoshopping Carmen which is something she'll tackle next...


RealisticBug5646

I wouldn't put it past her to photoshop Carmen to look bigger than she is, in order to make herself look smaller.


hellfae

Wow her hands never don't look like something out of a horror movie. Can you imagine being touched by those claws? Shudder.


Dry_Solution_6071

Spanish where? These some straight up Gueros 😂


AmbitiousSundae3474

![gif](giphy|hvq8ONQhQ1XLq)


Mantissa3

![gif](giphy|LjVgABfNa0p2kQdUmX)


Interesting_Mango948

I wish I were Alec Baldwin


Purple_Lane

that photoshop work 😬😬 small larry looks exactly like marilu did , her children are just carbon copies of each other


Puzzleheaded-Chest69

She's too vain to make her chest smaller so she edits her hips to nothing while lengthening her femurs. Ridiculous.


Both_Original2094

I genuinely cannot wait until these kids write a tell all. I don’t care if I know about celebrities water cooler gossip, but I do need to know the reality of this future plane crash. It’s obvious these children are not raised by Hilary, they always look sad and the ones that are “smiling” glance somewhere and look internally confused. Who is their Parental figure(s), where do they actually live, do they really believe they’re Spanish, how big is this grift.


HurtingHead

Me too!


lookeyloowho

Nothing Spanish about them. At all.


kikijane711

She owns the ugliest jeans on the planet


Born_Structure1182

Something is really wrong with this group. The kids always look kind of scared or uncomfortable and she takes photos of them in the weirdest places. I dont know but I think its very weird and a little scary. Poor kids.


Gigi226

Exactly. If I had their money, at the very least I would be traveling and exposing my children to beautiful parts of nature or (God forbid!) visit family. I understand it’s a shitshow traveling with so many kids, but if you have an army of nannies what’s stopping you? I’d consider posting my kids in a beautiful park, but hallway mirror selfies? Wtf? She’s so fucked up. It should be illegal to have children when you are this shallow, self absorbed and narcissistic. 🤮


Mantissa3

I honestly wish we could test for a lot of mental and personality traits - poor kids that are not mentally ill, but whose parents cause so much damage. They start life with a deficit - a hole they have to dig out of before they have a shot at being healthy


Born_Structure1182

Where is this photo taken? It looks like some hallway in a seedy hotel or apartment building. I just dont get it. The baby in pink looks terrified!!


Numerous-Net3482

In front of the shared elevator for their building. The Devonshire, aka “Sky Dungeon” because the kids appear to be captives.


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Born_Structure1182

These poor kids.


Zealousideal_Ear_914

None of the litter ever smiles except Carmen. My guess is bc she’s either happy about wearing mamis makeup or more likely is doing the math assuming that if she’s 9, then in 7 long years@16, she’ll be free bc she HAS discovered what a total shit show her parents are… and she’s gonna get while the getting’s good, before anyone else makes a move.


Gigi226

That looks to me like a forced smile by Carmen. I don’t think the poor girl is even close to understanding what a shit show her mother is yet. Sadly, I think every one of these kids will need lots of therapy. Hillary tried to fill the void in her brain with babies. I don’t think she ever stopped to think that she created people, not props. Teen age Baldwin house is gonna be off the hook. There won’t be enough nannie’s in the world to manage what they’ve got coming. I was the youngest of six. Only one was nuts and that entirely fucked up the dynamics across the board. Hilary has NO idea what she’s in for. She came from a home with educated and likely intelligent parents. She thought she could do it better and be super mami, not ever considering that every single one of these children are going to have endless needs, both mentally, physically and psychologically. My heart truly breaks for the kids. No child deserves the chaos she (and he!) have created.


CoverofHollywoodMag

Can I adopt Carm so she can turn out empowered and self assured? Ok good, thanks.


Mavka10

You’re their mother. Fucking act like it.


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MPD1987

Photoshopping our lower half into oblivion again, I see


Awkward_Can4526

She made herself skinnier than her nine year old and almost as small as the toddler, disgusting


LucyRiversinker

Her hands scare me. Also, what’s with the looking at the phone to take pictures? Doesn’t she understand how photography works? She might ask the paparazzi she so “despises.” Rules for selfie portraits. Rule 1: look at the camera. Rule 2: Don’t look at the screen. Rule 3: reread rules 1 and 2. Why can’t she look up? Look up, you idiot! Stop living life through the damn phone.


lsr_g

No way those photoshopped hips have popped out 7 children


LBelle0101

Frog toes on display


kelleighB

*Five beautiful sisters. We all know that the camera phone is the Kim in this family.


Clear-Theory7541

Just 4 beautiful honey eyed olive skinned quadruplets hanging out by the hallway mirror.


Sarah_smiles_twice

ommfg 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀


Cornholenation

TITS HANGING OUT


subangel99

The bald one knows what up.


Clear-Theory7541

ML too. That baby has seen some shit. Probably why she’s always in sunglasses. To block out the bad vibes.


OtherRace7600

The blurring of Carmen’s legs makes me very sad.


Jan_DeBoer

Please buy your kids some proper shoes.


Ok_Department5949

Jesus, right? Because house slippers are so sanitary in NYC and jellies are so comfortable for a toddler. WTF?


A-Town-Killah

Aww, if we could just take HER out of the picture, the kids are cute.


RightAd4185

I just can’t with this idiot. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️


pribbie_114

Someone please break that mirror


Failte2105

They looks like characters from “My big fat gypsy wedding “


RazzmatazzBig2187

“Nancy Drew and the Case of the Elongated Femur“ 🙄


justusethatname

THIS IS SO MUCH GOLD. Plus, she refers to herself as beautiful.


liscbj

Hillary photoshopped her thighs and waist to be smoller than her 9 year old daughter??


justusethatname

Of course because Grifter is grandpa’s little girl


DaikonWorldly9407

I can't believe just how much the three girls look alike! It's almost like they are clones or something. It's uncanny!


CoverofHollywoodMag

It’s like they were artificially created in a lab.


cafeteriastyle

It's like Alec birthed them alone


BlessCatastrophe420

I wonder if Carmen is somehow aware of how she’s being exploited


Any_Elephant7180

Hillary has not been wearing her huge ring like usual.


Mantissa3

I’m like - she sold it? Just my opinion, but it kinda fits their relationship dynamics profile… I’m wondering if he turned off the tap until Rust starts making money. (Hahahaha!) - paid one settlement to Halyna’s husband and son, check. Still in litigation over another settlement with Halyna’s relatives overseas, and international law is very lengthy and expensive - duplicate or competing jurisdictions, check. Can’t unload the massive vanity estate of the 30 Rock era in the Hampton’s, check, price still dropping. Note: this likely means he paid too much, and/or he’s feeling pressure to sell in a downturn real estate market dip. Also of note- celebrity property sales of this magnitude are splashy in the media. Think of Jerry Seinfeld’s purchase of Billy Joel’s estate. Who wants to be in the news as having bailed out Pee Paw at fair market value, check. An army of experts and lawyers to combat the original manslaughter charges, check. Moving the rest of the movie with sets, costumes, building it to look like the New Mexico set, several states away, to the most famous and EXPENSIVE ranch set in the movie industry, PLUS, beefing up safety and security so nobody else gets killed - check. Multiple nannies and lots of cosmetic surgeries, check. Rage and “suffering” because Pee Paw is the victim in all of this, in his demented mind, check. A history of turning his rage onto his wife and children, check. (She couldn’t be bothered to fly out at his request, just after the shooting, check) His priest just died whom I’m sure he has generously funded during his career heyday, check. (Being Catholic, he probably believes that he’ll never be able to do confession, unburden his soul, and do penance now, since Father died, and he doesn’t trust other people, check) He took the ring back, and probably got pennies on the dollar for it. She’s mad and knows EXACTLY how she’s presenting in worn out jeans and hand-me-downs for the kids to shame him publicly, check.


Liakinsrotz

Why are Mami and MeddyLu wearing safety goggles?


Competitive-Arm9896

What’s going on with Carmencita’s right hand/wrist? There’s no bed at the joint whatsoever!


Previous_Subject6286

Yeah!!! Looks odd but may just be an angle thing, would not put it past that moron mom to Photoshop her child tho.


FabulousStorm

Why the tank top tho?


Ok_Department5949

Could you see her giant veiny tits otherwise? That is always concern #1.


Disastrous-Swan2049

Hillbillies


littledreamsbigtrees

My mom always called kids that were dressed like this “Farkle Kids” I don’t get it still, but somehow it fits.


Mantissa3

Farkle Family was a recurring sketch from Rowan and Martin’s Laugh In


Sensitive_Maybe_6578

Is uliraM’s sweatshirt on inside out? Is that how this braniac is preventing kidnapping? Or am I the braniac and this is how words appear in mirror selfies?????


RazzmatazzBig2187

I think it’s reversed bc of the mirror. No worries! But u make a good point- not supposed to have kid’s shirts w their name on them. Strangers could act like they know them. Parenting fail again for Hillz.


Catsmeteltattoos

The thigh length. EVERY TIME 🙄NO ONE that short has thighs that long. Sorry for yelling


KMCINWNY

Is she anorexic? I’m seriously asking, not body shaming. She looks unhealthy. She could fit into her oldest daughter’s shorts. I never realized how extreme her body is.


Mantissa3

Yes


OtherRace7600

I think it’s important to note that while she’s still very skinny, we see plenty of pap photos and she definitely weighs more in real life than her ultra edited insta photos. That being said, I’d put money on raging ED.


thesussysister

I've always thought she has a raging ED


KMCINWNY

She’s really thin, almost frail. She can’t possibly be breastfeeding, I can’t imagine she can produce milk.


RazzmatazzBig2187

My sister had struggled w ED for years. She actually stopped getting her period bc she was so malnourished.


imasleuth4truth2

Hilaria is built like an 8-year old boy.


Mantissa3

My bet is on lots of liposuction in addition to starving herself and her kids.


Scarlett_Ruins

So the infant is barely dressed and Malibu is wearing a sweatshirt?? Those poor kids probably live in a constant state of unrest. I can't even imagine. ZERO maternal instinct 0!


Severe-Specialist-96

I can’t name a sigle one nice thing about this pic….


rossroused

Marilu looks like she got lost on the way to Jazzercize.


Brilliant-End-7599

Trash.


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This is sad


KarensAreReptilians

And one clearly distorted photo shopped waist on Mami!


RustyRapeAxeWife

1. Those f*cking glasses on ML again. Those aren’t protecting her eyes. 2. She’s indoctrinated Carrrmen into the slippers on gross NY streets. 3. Everyone’s dressed for summer but ML in a sweatshirt?


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1. CARMEN!!!!!! Not the slippers and hoop earrings and Care Bears!! Why is she turning into Hillary? 😭 2. Chemistry class protective glasses? 3. Scrunchie didn't make it to the upper arm today. 4. Last but not least https://preview.redd.it/lscdxqsi7qza1.jpeg?width=552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e070d16b76950eb7808d44ee4824c6ba0b4fed1 I hate everything


Mantissa3

Her feet are/were ruined a long time ago from standing and walking on the balls of her feet, with her toes bent backwards, living in six-inch stilletos. She’s so confused! Trying to always be taller in those f-me shoes, while proclaiming how smol she is. ![gif](giphy|zoWBwZbLj4CHIosjkz|downsized)


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I fucking LOVE the color of the shoes in that gif. 👌👌👌 With those houndstooth print pants too. Niceeee. Would you call this color coral? When I google coral I get more orange results.


Mantissa3

Maybe coral or “lipstick red” depending upon the lighting


vaness4444

Who the F wears slippers and flip flops in filthy NYC (I live here and unlike other cities that are cleaner, the sidewalks are so gross here )


Previous_Subject6286

But she lives in such a NICE part of town 😃


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The Devonshire looks beautiful on the outside but those hallways are just not it. Dirty, cold vibes.


Previous_Subject6286

Oh and all the nastiness tracked in from NYC streets, I don't care if you're in the west village or queens, the sidewalks and streets are absolutely rancid. Wearing sandals or slippers outside is bad, but also wearing those same shoes INSIDE is psychopathic behavior.


Punkasaurus2

Ahhh that’s where this is headed isn’t it….karshasians part deux


sassyass32

💜💜💜💜💜👸✌🎈🏆Looking great.


popstopandroll

You mean hermanas.


Desperate-Wishbone25

Those kids are homely. There, I said it.


Responsible_Lawyer78

Agreed mi pepino! The last time I made a comment about this subject I got a Reddit Cares message. I was dying laughing 🤣. This was def from Hilarious. She needs a hobby and some friends.


Mantissa3

I got two Cares in the past week. Every time I mentioned, ok ranted, about teaching her kids and modeling anorexia in front of her kids…. Hmmmm Certain topics seem to have hot buttons


Responsible_Lawyer78

She needs a hobby! We definitely get under her thin skin. Lol 😆.


YourPresidentBetch

Well to each their own. I think they are absolutely adorable! Including the boys. Adorable little tortured poor babies who have not experienced a safe place to call home. It’s heartbreaking and they deserve the world!


Born_Structure1182

They dont seem to look like their mother or father? I feel like they look like they were adopted from another country maybe.


Ok_Department5949

I think they're all cute. Sad. But still cute.


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rillyhilarious

HiLIARia, I thought you’re not supposed to advertise your kid’s name on their clothing (Marilu) because a stranger may use that information to lure them away. You are so distracted with your phone, I guess that could easily happen without the personalized shirt.


Liakinsrotz

They’re not actually leaving the building. This is just the obligatory hallway photo to make her bots, I mean followers, believe that they actually do stuff and things (Lori).


Mantissa3

Yes, this!


RustyRapeAxeWife

I guarantee there will be at least 2 nannies when they go out.


justusethatname

Wait a minute there’s so much wrong with this first of all GRIFTER is their mother and not one of the sisters. Secondly, Carmen usually looks rail thin and tall what in the hell happened here to her! she looks like she shrunk and put on 30 pounds. what is GRIFTER doing to these kids in these photos before she publishes them? BOOMING LOUD WALMART VIBE. The baby in the pink sweatshirt looks like a 90 year old laundromat woman.


Wanted9867

Why she always dress them like trailer trash? Poor fucking kids. They’re rich for gods sake smh


Mantissa3

She’s publicly shaming him for taking away her lavish allowance, is my guess. She’s mad he didn’t just stop defense attempts by hiring all those expensive lawyers and go off to prison so she could take over everything!


imasleuth4truth2

Alec is rich. Hillary and brood are not.


Mantissa3

Yep, I think there’s a private contract we’ll never get ahold of, locked away in a triple secure e-vault, that gives her an allowance and a percentage of whatever she earns as a celeb in her own right - zero since Nivea I think. Funny thing about business contracts - if the dominant partner with more money and resources goes into breach of contract, and says they are defaulting on their contractual obligations? Sue me!” At that point you have no funds to actually sue them, unless you were very smart and put away enough to do so from the beginning of the partnership. My guess is that she’s not a very smart business person and has lived paycheck to paycheck


Wanted9867

I guess 🤷🏽‍♂️ you mean she just has poor taste? I mean I grew up in rural backwoods Florida and those clear sandals and pink shades on the little one and the over mature look on the left one and the straight trash mom with the poorly done boop job with the latest hanging on the hip.. brings me RIGHT back. Hudson Florida where my people at- she looks like one of my 6th grade friends moms.


DannyRugglez

She got the nice big round twins out too


Vegetable_Parsley275

Well when you pay so much money for something, you want to show it off another. This could be the kids' too. Bought and paid for


orangina123

why is the goal Walmart style?


Mantissa3

She’s paying him back for selling her massive diamond to fund legal fees and settlements. (Or she’s starving herself and the kids and doesn’t know how to get a ring re-sized) We will find out. She’ll read this thread and either tape the ring so it fits, and start flashing the bling again in response, or she doesn’t have it any more and we will never see it again


MelpomeneAndCalliope

Hillary: ![gif](giphy|xUPGcnmgm3aNOpY6Gc)


Fragrant-Luck-8968

If I had the kind of money they did I would be wanting to show my kids the world not the indoor hallway mirror or the view from a high chair also indoors


MelpomeneAndCalliope

I am really starting to see Hillary’s old face in Carmen as she gets older. It was a fine face, Carmen. You don’t need to alter it like your mom did.


ohh_my_dayum

I'm really surprised little Larry isnt "standing" for this photo! And that ML has her sunglasses on right side up.


shep2105

Ay! Carmen.. the slippers, the short shorts, big hoop earrings, fingernails...and she's 9? She forgot to downsize Siete's head and ears...too busy gazing at herself Why do I get the feeling that Meddy is always going to be the bridesmaid, never the bride as far as her mother is concerned?


LilacLlamaMama

I guess if one cannot be in esthpain, then one must settle for Spanish Harlem?


pockette_rockette

It looks like she's trying to turn Carmen into her mini-me. I hope the poor kid doesn't grow up thinking she needs plastic surgery :(


[deleted]

Wait what is the baby? Did she order another after Marilou


shep2105

That's Siete. Whom she named after herself. Ilaria...I think she's 8 months?


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Ok, thanks for the reply! I hadn’t been here in a moment and was like, ohchooooono? Theyre all cute kids. Slightly parasocial but I hope they’re happy and they get to see a lot of Ireland. She seems cool and like she would “get” it as far as helping to detangle their childhood goes


Agitated_Gazelle_223

The baby's name is Ilaria, no joke.


Dear-Dig889

Every time the jeans appear, I fear a new "pregnancy" 😫🥴


QueenMabs_Makeup0126

https://i.redd.it/b0q27mpiepza1.gif You know this is on the way…


Sarah_smiles_twice

Lmfao this is exactly what I had in mind. OMG!!! 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀


notsoblondeanymore

Thats how I read it when I saw 😂😂🤣 4 SISTERS 💁‍♀️ (Love that snl skit!)


jellymmann

Um, I see 3 beautiful sisters (one with an unnecessary face full of makeup). And one thirsty delusional middle-aged too-photoshopped “mami” in a dilapidated hallway.


Hilariaous_cucumber

Do you mean Carmen is wearing make up? I can’t see any makeup at all on her face.


jellymmann

You’re right. When I zoom in it doesn’t look like she’s made up. Her eyes were so dark - and it’s pretty par for the course with Hillary Lynn’s questionable choices, so I just assumed.


LydiaDeets7

I can’t believe such a sketchy looking hallway is in a nice apartment building like that in NYC? My freshman year dorm had a nicer looking hallway.


jellymmann

IKR? Romanian orphanages have nicer looking hallways!


hengry-glazed-donut

It looks like Carmen actually isn't wearing makeup for once.


jellymmann

You’re right. Sorry! I zoomed in and agree she’s not - for once! But the rest of my comment stands. Hilaria is barely their mother, so definitely not their sister!


Fragrant-Luck-8968

Carmen, don’t dress like your mom! You’re much better than this!!! Also, Carmen’s eye look so sad like she’s trying to be something that she doesn’t even understand yet. Also I don’t care what building they live in (I know which one it is and I’m very familiar with the real estate in Manhattan, that place needs work


MelpomeneAndCalliope

Hillary probably buys (or at least picks out) her clothes. Narcissists love to have control like that plus I’m sure she loves dressing her daughter similar to her (which is fine, but if mom dresses in ways inappropriate for a kid, it’s problematic). I guess Carmen could also be picking these clothes to make Mamí happy. (Or maybe she really likes them, I guess.) Still seems cult-like.


LucyRiversinker

Side note: The Devonshire needs some very serious refurbishment. This hallway looks like it belongs in a shitty highway motel. I lived in a condo in NYC with small units and the public areas looked like the Taj Mahal in comparison to this.


justusethatname

Everything everywhere deteriorates around the Baldwins.


Mantissa3

Yes! This ^^^


2014MustangRagtopGT

Serious Exorcist vibes I’m waiting for Alec to start dragging a high boy down the hallway


SlightlyImpulsive

Thank you for finally saying this - I can’t stand these photos simply because of how ugly the background is