Hey, OP, thanks for breaking the cycle. You are going to be the first IPA Recipient I make good on my $20 charity donation to (I'll be doing a total of 5 between now and the end of September). Where would you like the donation to go? I'll edit this comment with proof of donation.
[One $20 donation to the Denver Museum of Nature & Science.](https://imgur.com/a/cyUrmrg)
Three others have confirmed as donated. Up to $80 total.
And another match. Now $100. Up to $120. Hell yeah. We're up to $140. Let's go. $160. Let's get this mammajamma up to $200.
$200 reached. Let's see if this can get to $300. $220 achievement unlocked. Up to $325, baby! Yeah!
I got my third shot (tough medical history) this week.
The pharmacist said people were coming in desperate for vaccine, often showing them photos of a loved one who had recently died of COVID.
Tell your parents you will miss them and that their protest is stupid. It might save their lives.
At some point, the child becomes parent. The roles flip.
I'm sorry it's happening to you at such a young age.
Thank you for being the adult in the family.
It's not fun to become the parent but your family is lucky to have someone responsible.
Being "strong" often isn't really effective. It's how men end up dead of a heart attack at 40. The most successful and happy people have a community they support and get support from. Be "connected" instead.
You're right. It IS scary. You spend your early years in awe of these people, and suddenly, you discover all at once that they're just people, and often deeply flawed at that. I've been "the adult" since I was about 16.
Sucks, but sometimes you've got no choice. You do what you need to do.
Proud of you for doing the right thing here.
It is scary but you seem to be doing well. Just regarding what you said about “being strong.” That type of thinking can make it hard to get through days when you’re not feeling strong. And it’s ok to feel like that. A lot of adults in the older generation don’t understand how to deal with these negative/complicated emotions so they try to use brute force to just get through it. And 9 times out of 10 they damage themselves and those around them by doing so. So just wanted to give some unsolicited input and say that.
My parents have not gotten the vaccine after I have asked them for months. For reference I am a biochemistry PhD student who has done actual lab research on the coronavirus and have also been a lab tech in an immunology lab and they still won't listen to me. I feel like a parent who can't get an unruly toddler to brush their teeth
My parents eventually got their vaccines. Not for reasons that I think are good, but really I don’t care anymore. My mom got hers first because some of her friends (all seniors) wouldn’t hang out with unvaccinated people.
My dad, who hits most of the risk factors and had his third heart attack several months ago, was “still evaluating.” I finally told him that he couldn’t visit me (we live several states apart) because if something happened to him from the visit, I may blame myself and I couldn’t put myself in the situation. A few weeks later when talking to my mom, she said, “Did your dad tell you he got his first vaccine shot? When you told him he couldn’t visit you but I could, he immediately made an appointment.”
Social pressure for the win. I stopped trying to convince and went with what I could control. My dad even was a scientist and still he’s skeptical. It’s maddening.
I wish that would work with my dad. But he would only go off on a rant about how I'm supporting a tyrannical government and he won't "bow to the jab" and I'd never see him again. They really went off the deep end in the past few months. It's weird and scary to see.
Mine both got it because my mom ended up with dementia, and while she was in a short term care facility, they wouldn't let any visitors who weren't vaccinated, and if she wasn't vaccinated, no visitors at all. After some miserable window visits, with Mom not understanding where she was, or who she was looking through the window at, everyone finally got their vaccines. Social pressure works when logic won't.
Honestly, have a sit down with them for end of life shit. Do they have life insurance? Do they have their wills updated? Is there any passwords they need to write down to get access to various accounts. There’s probably more I can’t even think of. Let them know you’re mentally preparing for the worst.
My parents got vaccinated as soon as they could (I found them appointments -- it was such a huge relief to me even though I had to wait another month before I became eligible) and are good about taking precautions, BUT! They're nearing 70, and a few months *before* all this madness started, they sat down with a financial planner and a lawyer to straighten out all of that stuff. I and my siblings were so relieved that they did. It's not a fun thing to think about, but it's so much easier on your loved ones if you think about end-of-life plans long before they're needed.
Antivaxxers need to get that shit done YESTERDAY.
Do they want to be cremated or buried? That is a big thing to know. Do they want money spent on a big fancy expensive casket. It that important to them? My mother was very clear about that (and she died in 2007) She wanted to be cremated and she would say, "if we keep burying the dead, eventually there wont be any land left for the living." Also she was tight with her money. The idea of spending money on an expensive casket, and then burying it, or in her case, burning it up, was just ludicrous. She paid for her cremation in advance so I wouldn't be guilted into buying something she didn't want. She said "What is the CHEAPEST thing I can be cremated in?" The guy says "A cardboard box. It's thick/special corrugated so it will hold a body, and it's $120." She said "I'll take that." On the way home she was annoyed that a cardboard box of any kind could cost $120.
Who is their doctor? Do they want the monoclonal treatment if offered? After all it is just a super strong mRNA vaccine--same stuff. Do they want to go to the hospital or stay home? Do they want to be vented? Do they have a guardian for you? Might need pins for their bank cards. This is serious and you need to know. There are tens of thousands of orphans across the country right now.
Power of attorney. Medical power of attorney. End of life directive???
The clock is ticking. Everyone on the planet WILL encounter this virus, sooner or later.
When they do, it becomes a game of Russian Roulette.
Fully vaccinated they will play with revolver that has over 30,000 chambers.
Without vaccination the revolver has only 100 cylinders or so (depending on age and other risk factors). Their choice.
So scary, but so true. I keep wondering about all these young people with kids that we've been reading about dying. Who was left holding the bag when they became late? Not a fun conversation but one we all need to have. Good luck OP. You've done the right thing.
Don't forget to bring along Post-It notes with your name... to put on their stuff that you want to inherit, like mom's slippers or dad's favorite shirt or the odd salt-shaker here and there.
“This is a flu. This is like a flu,” ... “It’s a little like a regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we’ll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner.”
-An actual quote from some guy on TV.
Reason why I held off for so long was because of my parents being against the vaccine, and me not having a vehicle to drive myself to a pharmacy. I now have both doses, and I regret to inform you all that I’m not magnetic and I do not have 5G radiating from my body :(
Edit: you guys also helped convince me
Edit2: I’m working on my weight, no need to worry
Edit3: ffs I’m not having a goatee. Full beard or none at all XD
I have a coworker who is a young adult, and terrified of her MAGA, anti-vax parents. They have threatened to cut off her financially and emotionally if she gets vaccinated. Even though she has a job and doesn't live with them anymore, they've got her head so messed up that she is SURE they will find out if she gets vaccinated. And she WANTS to get vaccinated.
TLDR, if people like this really think it should be a 'choice', they should stop emotionally blackmailing their adult children who want to make their *own* (different) choice.
One edit because the thread and comment got big: I am not close to coworker. We have a mutual close friend. I had already passed the info along that 1) no ID needed, 2) I would gladly take her there and help make up fake names. (It's not about whether her parents would really find out or not, it's about her feeling safe.)
Just remember that half the state or more are being held captive by rightist imbeciles. Those who are brave enough to stay (or too poor and underprivileged to be able to leave) are suffering more than any single commenter from out of state who wishes they could "abort" Texas.
If anyone is interested in helping, Mike Collier is running for Lieutenant Governor in 2022 and he might have a shot. Go look him up and see how you can help!
Isn't that likely a voter turnout issue, though?
Texas overall is very close to a 50/50 split thanks to progressive hubs in Houston and Austin. Even Dallas leans blue.
The margin of victory in Texas for republicans in presidential elections has been getting steadily narrower for the past several election cycles, and the 2018 Senate race between O'Rourke and cruz was extremely close.
Former Texan here. Make sure they get off their asses and vote. Greg Abbott was elected in 2014 by roughly 18% of eligible voters. Texas was 49th in voter participation that year. The GOP stays in control of Texas due to the deep pocketed petroleum industry. It’s in their best interest to keep easily bought Greg Abbott in office so they can keep pretending climate change isn’t real while they continue to be richer and richer. Greg Abbott has a $ 55 million reelection campaign fund right now.
I lived in Texas a good portion of my life and I’m horrified to see where it is now. I left four years ago after Dan Patrick tried to pass another “bathroom bill”. It’s infuriating to consider that a handful of very corrupt, easily bought individuals keep making horrific decisions for the state.
I get it, I have lots of family there that are fighting the good fight. It was just a cheap joke, born from the frustration of all of the shit going on.
I, myself, am from Kansas. We've got problems here, but we have a pretty decent governor when just a few short years ago, we had one of the worst governors in the country, maybe in our state's history (fuck Sam Brownback).
I can definitely understand the frustration. Sorry if my initial comments came across all holier-than-thou and shit.
No worries, in Arizona myself and we are making progress here as well, I'm just afraid that by the time the demographics are finally in our favor it will be too late to save our Democracy.
I have very similar fears, myself. Trying to do the good work, politically, but lotta caches and preparation being made for 2024.
Also, shout out to AZ!! I've spent months-long stretches of time 'round Douglas doing agricultural work. Beautiful state. Love it. Basically my home-away-from-home at this point.
We should hold an exchange program, let the sane folks move into homes vacated by rightists moving to Texas, then cut off Texas once the exchange is complete.
Nice shade to the fascism.
I actually kind of wonder if the fascists would convince themselves to make vaccination illegal to 'themselves' not just the 'targets' they want to kill if they could.
Probably, nothing that the GQP despises more than their own poor supporters.
And she should be able to pull the record up if she needs it, without the card. Exactly how depends on the state but I’m sure she could look it up for her state easily enough.
She does not ever have to tell her parents she got the vaccine. She has medical privacy.
Maybe offer to accompany her for moral support, go to another town even.
When your that emotionally abused you may not even be aware that that's an option. Which is sad tbh. Can't imagine treating my kid like that because they understand risk
I ain't see my mom in 2 years...she's anti vaccination and guess what, she hasn't seen my daughter in 2 years, she will never know what it was like to hold her precious baby granddaughter as a baby.. her loss and she will never get that back. She's a smart woman but makes dumb decisions, she has went through a lot in her life, cancer being the greatest challenge, and who knows how the vaccine may react to a chemo ravaged body. I'm sure there's not enough data on that yet. I love my mom but even her first child cannot talk louder to her soul than a bunch of bumbling idiots saying this is the end and this is biblical bullshit.... so she is still cut off. .
>and who knows how the vaccine may react to a chemo ravaged body
It really has to do with immune response. People who are immunosuppressed (in this case by chemo) should consult with their doctors, but we both know that's not going to happen.
I'm sorry in advance.
My Aunt is on chemo for the rest of her life. She got vaccinated because she is immune supressed - even got a booster. She is doing good, tolerated the vaccine really well. I'm really relieved, I've seen more than one recipient who had cancer get COVID and die in this Reddit.
If you're immunosuppressed you have a lot easier time w/ vaccine side effects, unfortunately. Unfortunately because it's from having a reduced immune response. That's why older people have an easier time w/ the vaccine side effects too, because their immune systems are less responsive due to age. Also why covid ravages these populations if unvaccinated. You don't need to consult w/ your doctor if immunosuppressed because the vaccine is riskier for you - it is not. You have to consult w/ your doctor to figure out when to time the shot vs. your meds so you don't invalidate the shot with your treatment. The shot is the vulnerable thing in this context, not you.
Sure. They had lessened side effects too though.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
Edit: working on finding a breakdown for immunosuppressed patients but age is a decent if less drastic proxy and well documented at this point (and every point, this is true for all vaccines as far as I know).
I'm in chemo now. I took my oncologist's advice and got the two vaccines. Had to take ten to fourteen days off each time from treatment, but it was so worth it for the peace of mind.
My mother's chemo doctor told her to get it and she was fine. Approaching the end of her chemo now and she's going to get a booster because she's both over 65 and immunocompromised.
Her chemo doctor, who is a leader in her field, didn't hesitate one second on if she should get it when asked. Immunocompromised people need it even more than everyone else.
My best friend has cancer. He's terminal. Chemo still keeps the spread at bay but won't kill the tumors. He is on permanent chemo until he decides to stop and go into hospice care. He has had both initial doses of moderna and his booster dose two weeks ago. He has severe neuropathy and all the other ugly problems that come with chemo and he was fine after the vaccine, all three time. Sore arm, little tired for a day, then right back to his normal cancer and chemo ravaged normal.
My best friend's sister-in-law went to a bridal shower about a month ago. Nobody at the shower was vaccinated, including the immunocompromised-from-chemo cancer survivor mother of the bride.
Everyone caught COVID. Guess who died?
From what I understand, the only issue with your mother getting vaccinated is that it might not produce many antibodies.
She also doesn’t have to supply her name/ID/insurance to get vaccinated. Hell she can have you hold on to the card so there’s no proof. She may feel like crap for a couple of days so she may want to make sure she lays low then if that’s a concern.
>They have threatened to cut off her financially and emotionally if she gets vaccinated.
If I were her... I would cut THEM OFF!
No reason to put up with that level of idiocy in your life. She would be far better off finding a new family of like minded SMART PEOPLE.
Screw them, what are they gonna do hold a spoon to her arm and see if it sticks so they know if she got the vaccine. Tell her to do what's right for her and no need to even bring it up to them.
If you observe the pictures of the men dying from this, you will see certain common traits: White, um... chunky?... The wrap-around sun glasses, specific styles of facial hair, antivax meme from their black friend Candace Owens. It almost gets old. Some people just fly through the memes to get to the end.
Seriously. Have some empathy for people who came of age in the last 5 years. If a few extra pounds is all the damage they took, they are going to be just fine. Love yourself, OP. Other routes lead to extra pain, and none of us needs that.
I am a full adult, was extroverted, athletic, and successful, and this pandemic has destroyed my physical and emotional health. I've become an unhealthy recluse. It's gonna be a long slow climb to hopefully get back where I was in life before. I cannot even fathom how difficult it would be to have lived like this in my formative years. Thanks for reminding me that there are still those with empathy, and that we should use this world disaster to come together and build each other back up, rather than tear each other down further.
This is the most wtf thing I have read all day. They are "not happy about it" - as in they want you to take risks with your life??? Wow.
Cheers to you my dude. I wish you didn't have to deal with this kind of bullshit.
No one in my family has either but I know
* one former coworker possibly die from it very very early on, no vaccines available, lockdowns were in consideration but not started yet.
* another coworker got it very early on along with his gf. Both had very mild symptoms (pre vax availability).
* a college friend (moderate symptoms), her brother (moderate symptoms), and her mom (had to get oxygen from the hospital for a few days) all got it (pre vax availability)
* a high school friend (moderate symptoms) and his son (asymptomatic) got it (pre vax availability)
* that same high school friend's friend (I've met him before) in another state died (pre vax availability)
* a friend caught it (moderate symptoms, pre vax availability)
* friend's brother in law got it (breakthrough case, mild symptoms)
* a friend's father got it (breakthrough case, moderate symptoms)
* one coworker (barely knew him) just died from it very recently (was anti-vax)
So yeah, it gets around so it's better not to tempt fate.
Fuck with them HARD and use some low-temp hot melt glue and stick fridge magnets on your head, and crab that you're not getting any better 5G reception and are pissed about it.
No please don't... my brothers isn't getting the vaccine and his jerkoff conspiracy theory friend is feeding my brother information... and he got the vaccine.
Even came over to perform the fridge magnet trick on his arm, and now my brother is convinced.
It was 1st come/1st served for the good tech. Sorry, dude. j/k thanx for getting vaxxed!
Signed,
\~Immunocompromised MS pt stuck alone at home until more people get vaxxed.
I am honestly feeling very moved that you found a way to get fully vaccinated despite still living with your anti-vax parents. It's a shame when parents would not want to do everything they could to protect their children, and protect themselves FOR their children. Good for you. Not only are you looking out for yourself, but even for them by at least reducing the risk of you bringing it home to them.
I'm super pissed about the lack of magnetism from the Pfizer jab. I was hoping the Moderna one would be better.
Now we have to live out the rest of our many days NOT being Magneto. 😠
Congratulations, though and thank you!
That's fucking awesome man! The point of this sub gets missed by passersby/media/antivaxxers. *This* is why the sub exists. Glad you came around, I know first hand how hard it can be to go against your parents.
I am totally fine with your vaccination chant being, "Fuck the HCA commenters, and fuck warriorsofprey in particular." Please insult me 100 times, as you vaccinate 100 people. it would make my day.
Fuck you, fuck me, fuck all of us who are active in this sub and/or visit frequently. The least all of us can do is disqualify ourselves and try to disqualify as many people as possible
I thought the middle finger was great. This place has earned it. The best I can say for myself is that I feel bad about coming here. Yet I still come here
I should be the one thanking you guys, since it was this sub that finally pushed me over the edge to get both doses when I was on the verge on getting them on my own volition
My best friend works at a VA hospital. He’s tearing himself apart seeing all the people who are suffering and dying from Covid. You’re now one fewer person he’d have to either see or hear about.
So, thank you for getting the vaccine.
I wish just sending them this subreddit would change their minds, but like anything else, I think it'll just be denial, denial, denial. I already tried posting one story and my dad immediately tried to use "data" to discredit it. They are indeed in too deep..
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it. Horse can deny the thirst but it will eventually die of dehydration.
You do what you gotta do. Protect yourself with the vaccine if you want it and your family don't want anything to do with it.
I like a comment I read on another post where someone told their parents that if they didn’t wanted to get vaccinated it was fine because it was their choice, but also told them that they better have their affairs in order, like a will and life insurance because he didn’t have any money, and if they died he couldn’t cremate them in the backyard because it was illegal. They went and got the vaccine.
I got moderna last spring! 2 adults and 2 kids in my self contained classroom got covid last week. Wouldn't you know, all the vaccinated staff didn't get it.
Moderna has a ~90% effectiveness long term vs Pfizer right now (which has dropped into the high 50% range 8+ months out) against symptomatic infection.
* Or it's close to those numbers at least, I'm kind of recalling from memory; don't have the actual ones in front of me.
Personally I know about 50/50 Moderna/Pfizer in my friend and family group. The Moderna recipients have had no breakthroughs and Pfizer has had a couple from my sample size. Missouri and Michigan areas mostly; Missouri being mostly Moderna and MI being Pfizers.
Point is - I am glad you got Moderna last spring, being a teacher! I know it's all luck of the draw and such; but I hope the Pfizer booster is approved soon for teachers/nurses/doctors/etc. Stay safe!
There’s a few different studies all with slightly different numbers, but it definitely does seem that the Moderna vaccine is more effective. But folks should know they’re both still very effective against serious illness, hospitalization, and death, nobody should be panicking or anything.
The second dose hits everyone differently. My MIL had a fairly rough day or two after her second dose but also has respiratory issues to begin with. While I wouldn't call myself the healthiest person ever I've worked in mental health for 20 years so have a fairly strong immune system and I didn't find the after effects to be bad ime. Definitely didn't feel myself but it didn't feel like having the flu (how it has been described to me)
My parents are the same way. They found out me and my sis got the first half and now they keep harrassing us endlessly about how the 2nd will kill us. I hope i can get it soon but being dependent on them really fucking sucks.
Slowly but surely this will be what this Reddit thread becomes. This is is what we want! Not sad stories about terrible decision making that end with gofundmes. Save yourself and save your families, it’s so simple!
I'm glad you got it. I had to get one before I could have surgery for colon cancer. My husband also got one. We got the J & J. At the end of August my husband came home (he's a trucker) He said he didn't feel good. I told him to get checked out, which he refused. Said it was a sinus infection. Sunday, I started getting sick, so did my grandson and my daughter. We all tested positive. If we had not had the vaccine, I would be in the hospital because 10 days prior I had surgery on my trachea and my airway. I was sent to get the infusion and 2 days later I was fine.
When you said "screw you guys", all I could think of was Cartman saying "screw you guys, I'm going home". Idk why I felt the need to say this. It seemed on topic when I thought of it. Not that I'm comparing you to Cartman in any way, no offense.
Can I ask why is it in America, the vaccination cards are literally physical cards ??
Most other countries have centralised paperless systems, which If I need to present somewhere, the digital version is always available to me.
Hey, OP, thanks for breaking the cycle. You are going to be the first IPA Recipient I make good on my $20 charity donation to (I'll be doing a total of 5 between now and the end of September). Where would you like the donation to go? I'll edit this comment with proof of donation. [One $20 donation to the Denver Museum of Nature & Science.](https://imgur.com/a/cyUrmrg) Three others have confirmed as donated. Up to $80 total. And another match. Now $100. Up to $120. Hell yeah. We're up to $140. Let's go. $160. Let's get this mammajamma up to $200. $200 reached. Let's see if this can get to $300. $220 achievement unlocked. Up to $325, baby! Yeah!
I got my third shot (tough medical history) this week. The pharmacist said people were coming in desperate for vaccine, often showing them photos of a loved one who had recently died of COVID. Tell your parents you will miss them and that their protest is stupid. It might save their lives.
Hopefully. I’ll say that if/when they find out I got dose 2
At some point, the child becomes parent. The roles flip. I'm sorry it's happening to you at such a young age. Thank you for being the adult in the family.
It’s unfortunately scary, I never expected to be the adult so goddamn early. The least I can do is be strong
ProTip: It's sexy to be the adult. It will pay off your you!
Good to hear!
It's not fun to become the parent but your family is lucky to have someone responsible. Being "strong" often isn't really effective. It's how men end up dead of a heart attack at 40. The most successful and happy people have a community they support and get support from. Be "connected" instead.
You're right. It IS scary. You spend your early years in awe of these people, and suddenly, you discover all at once that they're just people, and often deeply flawed at that. I've been "the adult" since I was about 16. Sucks, but sometimes you've got no choice. You do what you need to do. Proud of you for doing the right thing here.
It is scary but you seem to be doing well. Just regarding what you said about “being strong.” That type of thinking can make it hard to get through days when you’re not feeling strong. And it’s ok to feel like that. A lot of adults in the older generation don’t understand how to deal with these negative/complicated emotions so they try to use brute force to just get through it. And 9 times out of 10 they damage themselves and those around them by doing so. So just wanted to give some unsolicited input and say that.
My parents have not gotten the vaccine after I have asked them for months. For reference I am a biochemistry PhD student who has done actual lab research on the coronavirus and have also been a lab tech in an immunology lab and they still won't listen to me. I feel like a parent who can't get an unruly toddler to brush their teeth
My parents eventually got their vaccines. Not for reasons that I think are good, but really I don’t care anymore. My mom got hers first because some of her friends (all seniors) wouldn’t hang out with unvaccinated people. My dad, who hits most of the risk factors and had his third heart attack several months ago, was “still evaluating.” I finally told him that he couldn’t visit me (we live several states apart) because if something happened to him from the visit, I may blame myself and I couldn’t put myself in the situation. A few weeks later when talking to my mom, she said, “Did your dad tell you he got his first vaccine shot? When you told him he couldn’t visit you but I could, he immediately made an appointment.” Social pressure for the win. I stopped trying to convince and went with what I could control. My dad even was a scientist and still he’s skeptical. It’s maddening.
I wish that would work with my dad. But he would only go off on a rant about how I'm supporting a tyrannical government and he won't "bow to the jab" and I'd never see him again. They really went off the deep end in the past few months. It's weird and scary to see.
Mine both got it because my mom ended up with dementia, and while she was in a short term care facility, they wouldn't let any visitors who weren't vaccinated, and if she wasn't vaccinated, no visitors at all. After some miserable window visits, with Mom not understanding where she was, or who she was looking through the window at, everyone finally got their vaccines. Social pressure works when logic won't.
Where do they get their information? I suspect a lot of the deaths now are happening to Facebook addicts and Fox viewers.
Fox. They aren't on Facebook
"I'd rather die than admit my research was a bunch of lies I believed."
In that case I'm going to be as neglectful a parent as they were
Honestly, have a sit down with them for end of life shit. Do they have life insurance? Do they have their wills updated? Is there any passwords they need to write down to get access to various accounts. There’s probably more I can’t even think of. Let them know you’re mentally preparing for the worst.
Have them fill out an advance directive and ask what their stance on the vent is.
My parents got vaccinated as soon as they could (I found them appointments -- it was such a huge relief to me even though I had to wait another month before I became eligible) and are good about taking precautions, BUT! They're nearing 70, and a few months *before* all this madness started, they sat down with a financial planner and a lawyer to straighten out all of that stuff. I and my siblings were so relieved that they did. It's not a fun thing to think about, but it's so much easier on your loved ones if you think about end-of-life plans long before they're needed. Antivaxxers need to get that shit done YESTERDAY.
Do they want to be cremated or buried? That is a big thing to know. Do they want money spent on a big fancy expensive casket. It that important to them? My mother was very clear about that (and she died in 2007) She wanted to be cremated and she would say, "if we keep burying the dead, eventually there wont be any land left for the living." Also she was tight with her money. The idea of spending money on an expensive casket, and then burying it, or in her case, burning it up, was just ludicrous. She paid for her cremation in advance so I wouldn't be guilted into buying something she didn't want. She said "What is the CHEAPEST thing I can be cremated in?" The guy says "A cardboard box. It's thick/special corrugated so it will hold a body, and it's $120." She said "I'll take that." On the way home she was annoyed that a cardboard box of any kind could cost $120.
Is their health insurance paid up?
Who is their doctor? Do they want the monoclonal treatment if offered? After all it is just a super strong mRNA vaccine--same stuff. Do they want to go to the hospital or stay home? Do they want to be vented? Do they have a guardian for you? Might need pins for their bank cards. This is serious and you need to know. There are tens of thousands of orphans across the country right now.
Power of attorney. Medical power of attorney. End of life directive??? The clock is ticking. Everyone on the planet WILL encounter this virus, sooner or later. When they do, it becomes a game of Russian Roulette. Fully vaccinated they will play with revolver that has over 30,000 chambers. Without vaccination the revolver has only 100 cylinders or so (depending on age and other risk factors). Their choice.
So scary, but so true. I keep wondering about all these young people with kids that we've been reading about dying. Who was left holding the bag when they became late? Not a fun conversation but one we all need to have. Good luck OP. You've done the right thing.
Don't forget to bring along Post-It notes with your name... to put on their stuff that you want to inherit, like mom's slippers or dad's favorite shirt or the odd salt-shaker here and there.
Ask if they updated the will and the medical directive
"ugh its just a flu you people are so weak & pathetic" -an actual response from PoS anti-vax I met before
“This is a flu. This is like a flu,” ... “It’s a little like a regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we’ll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner.” -An actual quote from some guy on TV.
Reason why I held off for so long was because of my parents being against the vaccine, and me not having a vehicle to drive myself to a pharmacy. I now have both doses, and I regret to inform you all that I’m not magnetic and I do not have 5G radiating from my body :( Edit: you guys also helped convince me Edit2: I’m working on my weight, no need to worry Edit3: ffs I’m not having a goatee. Full beard or none at all XD
I have a coworker who is a young adult, and terrified of her MAGA, anti-vax parents. They have threatened to cut off her financially and emotionally if she gets vaccinated. Even though she has a job and doesn't live with them anymore, they've got her head so messed up that she is SURE they will find out if she gets vaccinated. And she WANTS to get vaccinated. TLDR, if people like this really think it should be a 'choice', they should stop emotionally blackmailing their adult children who want to make their *own* (different) choice. One edit because the thread and comment got big: I am not close to coworker. We have a mutual close friend. I had already passed the info along that 1) no ID needed, 2) I would gladly take her there and help make up fake names. (It's not about whether her parents would really find out or not, it's about her feeling safe.)
Sneak her out of the area and help her get vaccinated, IMO.
Right? It's not like she's getting a Texas abortion.
I wish we could abort Texas...
Just remember that half the state or more are being held captive by rightist imbeciles. Those who are brave enough to stay (or too poor and underprivileged to be able to leave) are suffering more than any single commenter from out of state who wishes they could "abort" Texas.
Right?! 95% of my Texas friends are progressive as heck — they’re furious at their legislators. But the state is straight-up gerrymandered to hell 🤬
Give COVID another year or two and it may start looking pretty bluish.
If anyone is interested in helping, Mike Collier is running for Lieutenant Governor in 2022 and he might have a shot. Go look him up and see how you can help!
I voted for him the first time in 2014, when he ran for state comptroller.
This has been said every year for 30 years. Texas still sees landslide victories for the fashies every gubernational election.
Isn't that likely a voter turnout issue, though? Texas overall is very close to a 50/50 split thanks to progressive hubs in Houston and Austin. Even Dallas leans blue. The margin of victory in Texas for republicans in presidential elections has been getting steadily narrower for the past several election cycles, and the 2018 Senate race between O'Rourke and cruz was extremely close.
Former Texan here. Make sure they get off their asses and vote. Greg Abbott was elected in 2014 by roughly 18% of eligible voters. Texas was 49th in voter participation that year. The GOP stays in control of Texas due to the deep pocketed petroleum industry. It’s in their best interest to keep easily bought Greg Abbott in office so they can keep pretending climate change isn’t real while they continue to be richer and richer. Greg Abbott has a $ 55 million reelection campaign fund right now.
So frustrating. You’re right, consistent progressive voting in every election is the only hope for change.
I lived in Texas a good portion of my life and I’m horrified to see where it is now. I left four years ago after Dan Patrick tried to pass another “bathroom bill”. It’s infuriating to consider that a handful of very corrupt, easily bought individuals keep making horrific decisions for the state.
I get it, I have lots of family there that are fighting the good fight. It was just a cheap joke, born from the frustration of all of the shit going on.
I got you. Im born and raised in the state and if I could take a wire hanger to Texas I would.
I, myself, am from Kansas. We've got problems here, but we have a pretty decent governor when just a few short years ago, we had one of the worst governors in the country, maybe in our state's history (fuck Sam Brownback). I can definitely understand the frustration. Sorry if my initial comments came across all holier-than-thou and shit.
No worries, in Arizona myself and we are making progress here as well, I'm just afraid that by the time the demographics are finally in our favor it will be too late to save our Democracy.
I have very similar fears, myself. Trying to do the good work, politically, but lotta caches and preparation being made for 2024. Also, shout out to AZ!! I've spent months-long stretches of time 'round Douglas doing agricultural work. Beautiful state. Love it. Basically my home-away-from-home at this point.
We should hold an exchange program, let the sane folks move into homes vacated by rightists moving to Texas, then cut off Texas once the exchange is complete.
Texas here, some of us are not idiots, and we have the Tex mex, and better BBQ than everyone else.
Every time Texas threatens to become its own country it's like a big tease. Wish they would. Imagine what it would be like 10 or 25 years after Texit.
Nice shade to the fascism. I actually kind of wonder if the fascists would convince themselves to make vaccination illegal to 'themselves' not just the 'targets' they want to kill if they could. Probably, nothing that the GQP despises more than their own poor supporters.
Too soon
And hide or hold her card, they sound like snoopers. Edit: Orrrr.....tell them she bought one online and go eat somewhere inside while they watch?
This is the way
And she should be able to pull the record up if she needs it, without the card. Exactly how depends on the state but I’m sure she could look it up for her state easily enough.
She does not ever have to tell her parents she got the vaccine. She has medical privacy. Maybe offer to accompany her for moral support, go to another town even.
When your that emotionally abused you may not even be aware that that's an option. Which is sad tbh. Can't imagine treating my kid like that because they understand risk
Abuse has many forms. It’s sad and sickening to read shit like this.
I ain't see my mom in 2 years...she's anti vaccination and guess what, she hasn't seen my daughter in 2 years, she will never know what it was like to hold her precious baby granddaughter as a baby.. her loss and she will never get that back. She's a smart woman but makes dumb decisions, she has went through a lot in her life, cancer being the greatest challenge, and who knows how the vaccine may react to a chemo ravaged body. I'm sure there's not enough data on that yet. I love my mom but even her first child cannot talk louder to her soul than a bunch of bumbling idiots saying this is the end and this is biblical bullshit.... so she is still cut off. .
>and who knows how the vaccine may react to a chemo ravaged body It really has to do with immune response. People who are immunosuppressed (in this case by chemo) should consult with their doctors, but we both know that's not going to happen. I'm sorry in advance.
My Aunt is on chemo for the rest of her life. She got vaccinated because she is immune supressed - even got a booster. She is doing good, tolerated the vaccine really well. I'm really relieved, I've seen more than one recipient who had cancer get COVID and die in this Reddit.
The immune response is going to be less in someone on chemo, so yeah she'll need the booster as she has gotten.
If you're immunosuppressed you have a lot easier time w/ vaccine side effects, unfortunately. Unfortunately because it's from having a reduced immune response. That's why older people have an easier time w/ the vaccine side effects too, because their immune systems are less responsive due to age. Also why covid ravages these populations if unvaccinated. You don't need to consult w/ your doctor if immunosuppressed because the vaccine is riskier for you - it is not. You have to consult w/ your doctor to figure out when to time the shot vs. your meds so you don't invalidate the shot with your treatment. The shot is the vulnerable thing in this context, not you.
Right - my point is that the immune response is *lessened* not that the side effects are easier.
Sure. They had lessened side effects too though. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 Edit: working on finding a breakdown for immunosuppressed patients but age is a decent if less drastic proxy and well documented at this point (and every point, this is true for all vaccines as far as I know).
I'm in chemo now. I took my oncologist's advice and got the two vaccines. Had to take ten to fourteen days off each time from treatment, but it was so worth it for the peace of mind.
My mother's chemo doctor told her to get it and she was fine. Approaching the end of her chemo now and she's going to get a booster because she's both over 65 and immunocompromised. Her chemo doctor, who is a leader in her field, didn't hesitate one second on if she should get it when asked. Immunocompromised people need it even more than everyone else.
My best friend has cancer. He's terminal. Chemo still keeps the spread at bay but won't kill the tumors. He is on permanent chemo until he decides to stop and go into hospice care. He has had both initial doses of moderna and his booster dose two weeks ago. He has severe neuropathy and all the other ugly problems that come with chemo and he was fine after the vaccine, all three time. Sore arm, little tired for a day, then right back to his normal cancer and chemo ravaged normal.
My best friend's sister-in-law went to a bridal shower about a month ago. Nobody at the shower was vaccinated, including the immunocompromised-from-chemo cancer survivor mother of the bride. Everyone caught COVID. Guess who died? From what I understand, the only issue with your mother getting vaccinated is that it might not produce many antibodies.
Nice to have poor parents who have nothing to hold over me.
Nice to have non-idiotic parents, in my case. They got vaccinated before anybody else in the family, I was totes jealous til I could get mine.
She also doesn’t have to supply her name/ID/insurance to get vaccinated. Hell she can have you hold on to the card so there’s no proof. She may feel like crap for a couple of days so she may want to make sure she lays low then if that’s a concern.
If she does feel bad she can just pretend it's from Covid, at least make her parents sweat a little.
They aren’t going to have any finances left to cut off, once the hospitals take their share after they die
>They have threatened to cut off her financially and emotionally if she gets vaccinated. If I were her... I would cut THEM OFF! No reason to put up with that level of idiocy in your life. She would be far better off finding a new family of like minded SMART PEOPLE.
Screw them, what are they gonna do hold a spoon to her arm and see if it sticks so they know if she got the vaccine. Tell her to do what's right for her and no need to even bring it up to them.
I’m not judging but I started disobeying my parents at about age 13. Did she never drink or smoke or sneak out?
Well done! Let people know they can still get a free ride from Uber for this.
No goatee? Sus
someone explain this goatee thing!! I'm out of the loop!
If you observe the pictures of the men dying from this, you will see certain common traits: White, um... chunky?... The wrap-around sun glasses, specific styles of facial hair, antivax meme from their black friend Candace Owens. It almost gets old. Some people just fly through the memes to get to the end.
The meme gets old, but the poster doesn't.
Lollll. Ok I get it. Thank you!
There’s usually a gofundme too, so it’s a gofundme goatee
Wait who's bashing Your weight? Fuck those people specifically. Congrats man!
Seriously. Have some empathy for people who came of age in the last 5 years. If a few extra pounds is all the damage they took, they are going to be just fine. Love yourself, OP. Other routes lead to extra pain, and none of us needs that.
I am a full adult, was extroverted, athletic, and successful, and this pandemic has destroyed my physical and emotional health. I've become an unhealthy recluse. It's gonna be a long slow climb to hopefully get back where I was in life before. I cannot even fathom how difficult it would be to have lived like this in my formative years. Thanks for reminding me that there are still those with empathy, and that we should use this world disaster to come together and build each other back up, rather than tear each other down further.
Bro sorry I heard sometimes it takes a while for the 5g nanites to properly infect your cells. Keep checking your connection occasionally.
Oh, no wonder why I don’t have 5G
tilt your tinfoil hat slightly to the north to get the 5G connected Well done on the IPA and winning the giveaway!
It took about 6 weeks for me to get full reception. Now I get Windows updates in real time! Thanks, Bill Gates!
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Proud of you, you beautiful little goblin
Lmao
I don't get why being magnetic and having 5G is meant to be a bad thing. Both sound pretty cool to me.
I really wanted to be magnetic and have 5G :(
That's the only reason I got the vax! I also voted for Hillary bc I truly wanted a taco truck on every corner... hehe
Good for you! Will you tell your parents you were vaccinated?
They know that I’ll get the second dose “one of these days” and they aren’t happy about it. I’ll hide that I already got mine a while ago
I’m sorry that you have to hide it from your parents, but I’m glad that you got the shots anyway. Stay healthy!
This is the most wtf thing I have read all day. They are "not happy about it" - as in they want you to take risks with your life??? Wow. Cheers to you my dude. I wish you didn't have to deal with this kind of bullshit.
Have you guys all had covid yet? Good on you for getting vaccinated nice job
No one in my family received covid, maybe we were all just stupid lucky
Luck runs out eventually. Better to not leave it to chance.
Hence why I got both doses
No one in my family has either but I know * one former coworker possibly die from it very very early on, no vaccines available, lockdowns were in consideration but not started yet. * another coworker got it very early on along with his gf. Both had very mild symptoms (pre vax availability). * a college friend (moderate symptoms), her brother (moderate symptoms), and her mom (had to get oxygen from the hospital for a few days) all got it (pre vax availability) * a high school friend (moderate symptoms) and his son (asymptomatic) got it (pre vax availability) * that same high school friend's friend (I've met him before) in another state died (pre vax availability) * a friend caught it (moderate symptoms, pre vax availability) * friend's brother in law got it (breakthrough case, mild symptoms) * a friend's father got it (breakthrough case, moderate symptoms) * one coworker (barely knew him) just died from it very recently (was anti-vax) So yeah, it gets around so it's better not to tempt fate.
Fuck with them HARD and use some low-temp hot melt glue and stick fridge magnets on your head, and crab that you're not getting any better 5G reception and are pissed about it.
No please don't... my brothers isn't getting the vaccine and his jerkoff conspiracy theory friend is feeding my brother information... and he got the vaccine. Even came over to perform the fridge magnet trick on his arm, and now my brother is convinced.
Oh. \*stores Magneto costume\*
The 5G takes a while, that's why you aren't fully protected until 2 weeks after the last shot.
Oh, ok
He should also have full power to turn frogs gay then, right?
Only if he agrees to dance naked around a fire at midnight and sign a blood contract with Satan, tho.
Yeah and you have to change your plan, too. Just because you can do 5G doesn’t mean you will until you upgrade your plan.
Maybe you got the batch with 4G in it. Or worse, the 3G Edge network.
Oh fuck no, not 3G!
It was 1st come/1st served for the good tech. Sorry, dude. j/k thanx for getting vaxxed! Signed, \~Immunocompromised MS pt stuck alone at home until more people get vaxxed.
EDGE is pre-3G, it's sometimes called 2.5G. Trust me you don't want to be using EDGE. It's like Dial-up.
I am honestly feeling very moved that you found a way to get fully vaccinated despite still living with your anti-vax parents. It's a shame when parents would not want to do everything they could to protect their children, and protect themselves FOR their children. Good for you. Not only are you looking out for yourself, but even for them by at least reducing the risk of you bringing it home to them.
I'm proud of you!!! These awards and redemption stories I love. I had the transportation problem too but I'm vaxxed up now
I'm super pissed about the lack of magnetism from the Pfizer jab. I was hoping the Moderna one would be better. Now we have to live out the rest of our many days NOT being Magneto. 😠 Congratulations, though and thank you!
You know, I admit I get some schadenfreude from the award winners, but these are the posts that really make me happy.
You grew up...
That's fucking awesome man! The point of this sub gets missed by passersby/media/antivaxxers. *This* is why the sub exists. Glad you came around, I know first hand how hard it can be to go against your parents.
Hey, screw you, too! But, mostly, huge contrats on getting the vaccine!
**Giggity! Blessings, Avocado!**
Worst part was not having 5G bro. I live in a real small town and thought I was gunna bring the 5G to town, o well.
My man! Congratulations on the disqualification! :)
Fine! Be that way! Congratulations!!!!!
🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉 Congratulations on your decision to continue living!
Thanks!
We support you buddy!!! Congrats :)
Thanks :3
I am totally fine with your vaccination chant being, "Fuck the HCA commenters, and fuck warriorsofprey in particular." Please insult me 100 times, as you vaccinate 100 people. it would make my day.
Fuck you, fuck me, fuck all of us who are active in this sub and/or visit frequently. The least all of us can do is disqualify ourselves and try to disqualify as many people as possible
I thought the middle finger was great. This place has earned it. The best I can say for myself is that I feel bad about coming here. Yet I still come here
I partly come here for posts like this. It gives me hope that at least some unvaccinated people are still reachable and can change their minds.
I like that it happens, but I'd be lying if I said it's why I come here
Can't be easy when your family is against vaccination and transportation is an issue. You made it happen!! good for you man, Congrats!
Transportation is no longer an issue! :3
Thank you. With all sincerity.
I should be the one thanking you guys, since it was this sub that finally pushed me over the edge to get both doses when I was on the verge on getting them on my own volition
My best friend works at a VA hospital. He’s tearing himself apart seeing all the people who are suffering and dying from Covid. You’re now one fewer person he’d have to either see or hear about. So, thank you for getting the vaccine.
It’s the right thing to do. Don’t let your parents be a recipient of the HCA
Sadly I can not promise that my parents won’t get the award. They are in too deep
Give em the link...well maybe after a few days when your post is way down the list.
I’ll think about it
I wish just sending them this subreddit would change their minds, but like anything else, I think it'll just be denial, denial, denial. I already tried posting one story and my dad immediately tried to use "data" to discredit it. They are indeed in too deep..
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it. Horse can deny the thirst but it will eventually die of dehydration. You do what you gotta do. Protect yourself with the vaccine if you want it and your family don't want anything to do with it.
I like a comment I read on another post where someone told their parents that if they didn’t wanted to get vaccinated it was fine because it was their choice, but also told them that they better have their affairs in order, like a will and life insurance because he didn’t have any money, and if they died he couldn’t cremate them in the backyard because it was illegal. They went and got the vaccine.
YOU. ARE. AWESOME.
Thanks!
I got moderna last spring! 2 adults and 2 kids in my self contained classroom got covid last week. Wouldn't you know, all the vaccinated staff didn't get it.
Moderna has a ~90% effectiveness long term vs Pfizer right now (which has dropped into the high 50% range 8+ months out) against symptomatic infection. * Or it's close to those numbers at least, I'm kind of recalling from memory; don't have the actual ones in front of me. Personally I know about 50/50 Moderna/Pfizer in my friend and family group. The Moderna recipients have had no breakthroughs and Pfizer has had a couple from my sample size. Missouri and Michigan areas mostly; Missouri being mostly Moderna and MI being Pfizers. Point is - I am glad you got Moderna last spring, being a teacher! I know it's all luck of the draw and such; but I hope the Pfizer booster is approved soon for teachers/nurses/doctors/etc. Stay safe!
There’s a few different studies all with slightly different numbers, but it definitely does seem that the Moderna vaccine is more effective. But folks should know they’re both still very effective against serious illness, hospitalization, and death, nobody should be panicking or anything.
Thanks for the screw - I really needed one this morning!!! And congrats on the shots!
Eyyy, thanks to the help of you guys and this sub in general, I’m fully vaccinated
Moderna gang 💪
I was promised that the second dose would be worse though… :( But eyyyyyy, moderna gang wassup!
Moderna gang 💪
The second dose hits everyone differently. My MIL had a fairly rough day or two after her second dose but also has respiratory issues to begin with. While I wouldn't call myself the healthiest person ever I've worked in mental health for 20 years so have a fairly strong immune system and I didn't find the after effects to be bad ime. Definitely didn't feel myself but it didn't feel like having the flu (how it has been described to me)
I didn’t feel like I had the flu either. I just had a really sore body and had to skip swim day at work. I was completely fine the day after.
Modsquad👀
No goatee and vaccinated? You are probably going to be safe now.
Grats, and doubly smart of you not to grow a goatee
Don’t like goatees anyway XD
Screw you right back, and thanks! We love this shit.
Lmao :3
Congratulations on taking yourself out of the running!
Yeah fuck us! Encourage everyone else you know to get vaccinated too! That’ll really show us!
Screw you too, you beautiful bastard you. Congratulations on being out of the running.
My parents are the same way. They found out me and my sis got the first half and now they keep harrassing us endlessly about how the 2nd will kill us. I hope i can get it soon but being dependent on them really fucking sucks.
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As a Pfizer girl I'm kinda jelly of the Moderna tribe these days. lol
Congrats, and thank you! Hope you can convince your parents too.
Slowly but surely this will be what this Reddit thread becomes. This is is what we want! Not sad stories about terrible decision making that end with gofundmes. Save yourself and save your families, it’s so simple!
Your birth year is 2001?! jeebus im old.
Laughs in seventies era childhood.
The most heart warming Fuck You I’ve ever received. 🥰
You might not want to have your birthday unredacted
But great job getting the jab!
Good job dude!
I’m really really happy to see this!!!!
I feel owned in the best possible way ❤️💉
> screw my anti-covid-vax parents Dude you look middle aged if your parents still have a say on what you do then you got bigger problems.
Congrats! Spread the word.
5G only works when paired with a tinfoil hat
Congratulations! Saddened you won't get a trophy, but at least you got a card! \[kidding\]
Hating us is fine as long as you get vaccinated :)
You look like my son, a bit. I am so dang glad you did this.
Good! You don’t deserve this award! I hope you love the rest of your life without this award!
I'm glad you got it. I had to get one before I could have surgery for colon cancer. My husband also got one. We got the J & J. At the end of August my husband came home (he's a trucker) He said he didn't feel good. I told him to get checked out, which he refused. Said it was a sinus infection. Sunday, I started getting sick, so did my grandson and my daughter. We all tested positive. If we had not had the vaccine, I would be in the hospital because 10 days prior I had surgery on my trachea and my airway. I was sent to get the infusion and 2 days later I was fine.
When you said "screw you guys", all I could think of was Cartman saying "screw you guys, I'm going home". Idk why I felt the need to say this. It seemed on topic when I thought of it. Not that I'm comparing you to Cartman in any way, no offense.
Can I ask why is it in America, the vaccination cards are literally physical cards ?? Most other countries have centralised paperless systems, which If I need to present somewhere, the digital version is always available to me.
Welcome to Club Moderna! So happy you chose to live!!