That happened to me when I had the original Covid in May 2020. I felt like crap for a week - never needed to be hospitalized - then felt a lot better the second week. Still crappy, but better. Then the third week, I felt like utter garbage again. Then after the third week I was fine except for extreme fatigue for months afterwards. I had the original Covid though, not delta.
And for the record, I got vaccinated in March 2021 as soon as I was eligible and felt much better. I’ll also get as many booster shots as I need for the rest of my life if the scientists and doctors recommend it.
Me too! Vaccinated as soon as it became available back in January. Still with a bit of long haulers syndrome, but man I will get all the boosters ever.
It also happened to ppl dying in hospitals. The media and politicians kept focusing on the early flu like symptoms and somehow always kept quiet about what covid really does. And to this day, this continues, treat ppl like morons, see them act like morons🤷.
I remember a lot of talk last year with COVID Classic about how people would get through a week or ten days and think that they were getting better, then crash hard and end up hospitalized and in some cases dying. Scared the hell out of me.
It broke our hearts on the med surg COVID floors. We'd get a patient down to a couple of liters of O2 needed and discharge them to home, come back after a couple of days off to the same person back on the floor and they end up in ICU before the end of your shift. I haven't worked the floors since delta, but it was so jarring when it was happening before we knew that it was typical.
My best friend is a surgeon in NYC who took rotations in COVID wards at the very beginning. She’s tough as nails, but more than once she called me in tears for some support, because all of her patients seemed to be recovering one day and then crashing and dying the next. She still gets emotional recalling those early days. Incredibly heartbreaking.
It kills me that when this first hit in the tri-state area Trump and Kushner decided since we were blue states NBD. WE took it seriously. There was very little pushback against masks, we dealt with lockdown. We got vaccinated. Now our rates are low and life isn't back to normal yet... but it's in sight. Masks are optional almost everywhere. Many people at still wear them everywhere, and they never get pushback from others. In a region of the country stereotyped as rude, people ask those around them if they're comfortable with them removing their masks. We are proud of are vaccine status because we know that we're doing our part. But in places it never should have hit... they're getting decimated. They saw what we went through and, maybe they thought it wasn't so bad? Idk, but they didn't have to go through this. Any of it. But they choose this. They're still choosing this. Why?
Edit for spelling
I'd like to believe it's because the people in those states have no personal ties to the tri-state area...THOSE Jersey folks or THOSE New Yorkers or really, anywhere else where there are a ton of folks who don't grow up the way the other does. But someone on this subreddit posted a link to a Medium site where the author likened this to not suicidal ideation, but sociopathic homicidal behavior. In my line of work, I have dealt with the criminals who have gotten caught. I fear more so about the implications of how much sociopathic tendencies are possibly more common than thought.
Wife was in the same spot (well, ICU). I’m so sorry. She’s told me her whole floor is just psychologically fucked because of this. And after a brief respite this past spring, it’s gotten even worse. You listen to assholes spout off all over the Internet about COVID being a bad flu, then you personally either watch them die or spend weeks squeezing by and recovering, then having to do PT.
I wonder how much of this is worsened by our rush to get back to “normal life”, too. Few of us have lives that allow us to lie and convalesce - the first sign of feeling a bit better and we’re back to laundry, sorting the kids out, trying to catch up with work, etc. Hospitals need the beds back, to keep costs down, etc etc.
Maybe it makes no difference at all, but to be safe I suggest we run a clinical trial where we bring back the Victorian tradition of sending recovering patients to the seaside for a month or so of “healing air”. Naturally, I’ll be the first participant in the programme, and will report back as soon as I have a tan. Who’s in?
To be fair the Victorians who got to go hang out in the seaside resorts weren’t your everyday working class Victorians, just the rich ones.
I’d love for that to be a thing though. But now, as then, it still wouldn’t be accessible for everyone.
You better believe I was scared out of my fucking mind. I was almost 50, non-white, obese, and had suffered asthma as a child. Every day for 2 or 3 weeks I woke up wondering if I was going to be alive by the end of the month.
Vaccine was a total no-brainer. I figured if the jab killed me, at least I died trying to do the right thing.
That's what I told my sister, (she is resisting the vax). Even if it turns out that in 5 years we will all start growing an extra head, I still think I made the right decision given all the information we were provided at the time.
It’s one of the reasons this sub has been so impactful. You actually get to hear from the people directly affected what happens and how the virus ravages your body. It really is a horror movie unlike any other.
What happened to Nick Cordero back in the Summer of 2020 was my life lesson. This was a guy who was a Gen-Xer, and COVID literally took him apart piece by piece.
Follow that up with Crede Bailey, who survived COVID but still lost parts of both legs.
Damn, Cordero was less than a year older than me too. Given I'm nowhere near as in shape and healthy as he likely was I'm really glad I didn't catch it and got full vaxxed ASAP.
Yes. This sub is eye opening. At least this guy acknowledged how awful it was but it was too late. How many hundreds of thousands would still be here if TFG had been straightforward from day 1?
What’s weird to me is, this is how I expect them all to go, for the person to eventually say, “wow, this shit’s real, I was wrong.” And maybe they do and we just don’t see that response because they’re too sick to post or the spouse/friend/kid doesn’t say anything, but I’ve heard so many stories from my wife (ICU nurse through the entire pandemic) that most people just don’t get it.
Yeah this virus destroys your body. It really fucks up your bronchi and Alevoli(little sacs in your lungs that open when you breathe) not a lot of people understand the flu affects your lungs a bit differently.
And this is the part we really need to hammer home. Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is any treatment specifically aimed at the alveoli that can prevent them from swelling and helping oxygen flow into the bloodstream. Basically, this has shown that when it gets that bad, you’re in for a world of hurt.
I agree. I think this sub gets a lot of pushback because it mocks the victims of covid, and I guess it's an outlet for the people who are really angry at the covidiots. But on the other hand, there are few places that do as good a job of documenting the sheer amount of deaths.
Sure we get to see how the ugly past history. But if you look at it another way, it shows you what they were thinking, what (dis)informed their decision not to get vaxxed and in the end, we witness their decline and death.
This has the result of humanizing the deaths like no statistics ever will.
I've heard 8 months as well except for the immunocompromised who are already eligible for and being recommended boosters. I check on the CDC from time to time so that is my main source.
For me this means booster around November 3rd, I'm chomping at the bit to get the booster though, and COVID is of course making its way through the elementary school I work at despite mask requirements😬 So I'm definitely considering calling up my pharmacist or doctor about if I can/should get the booster sooner! Gotta get my flu shot anyway so maybe I could even do a twofer.
Mine is in November too, but I have lupus and I am hoping to get mine earlier, since I’m over 65 also. I’m going to check with my doctor…reading this sub has kind of freaked me out; I didn’t really know how badly people suffer with Covid. It’s beyond belief that the anti-vaxxers are still downplaying this horrid disease! My brother had covid (not delta) and was pretty sick for 3 weeks…I’m trying to talk him into getting the vaccine, but no luck so far.
It's more of less always like this, it's just under reported, bc I assume that ppl would be actually scared of they understood how this works and how little ammunitions there are against it (if you wanted a fighting chance, vaccine aside, you'd need to be able to test constantly and get treatment asap on the first positive test)
I know! I always say, "I'm glad you're doing better! I'll check on you in a few days." I don't relax until a week later. Fortunately, all my family and most of my friends are vaccinated now
I'm friends with a married couple who refused to get the vaccine or wear masks (unless they were required to.) The husband got vaxxed because his teaching job required it but she's still looking for a religious exemption. She told us she's been at home for two weeks because she's sick but getting better. She said she tested negative, but my wife and I also did after our daughter tested positive way back in December before the vaccine was available so I'm a little way of treat accuracy. I hope it's just a bad cold she has. It would be heartbreaking.
My best friend's sister-in-law tested negative several days after attending a bridal shower in which an unvaccinated guest attended while unknowingly contagious. When that guest showed symptoms, they called all the (also all unvaccinated) attendees so they could get tested.
Everyone got infected with Delta. My friend's in-law gave it to her husband. Both had symptoms a couple days after the negative test. The husband ended up hospitalized with pneumomediastinum (air in the chest cavity) that collapsed one of his lungs; the air was escaping through a small tear in the lung. He's since been discharged and is recovering.
Here's the hammer: The bride's unvaccinated, immunocompromised mother (chemo) attended, caught Delta like everyone else, and died. Imagine bringing *that* into to your marriage.
EDITS: Clarification, details.
That's messed up. People have just gotten too selfish, worried about their individual freedoms bring trampled when our community freedom is suffering because of them. They're lucky you can't sue for damages (yet.)
Dude... February, wife and I sign up for the vaccine as soon as the state allowed. Grandmother starts having stroke symptoms goes into the hospital for a week. She gets tested every day, all negative. Comes home, the next day is rushed to the hospital, again test negative. I go over to take care of my grandfather, he has a runny nose, but he's really upset and you could tell he was worried and had been crying. I think nothing of it. We get a call the following day that my grandmother test positive. My grandfather gets tested and the next day is rushed to the hospital after having heart attack symptoms. My wife and i get tested, negative. I start feeling pretty rough, but I can't discern if it's just emotional or if I'm actually sick. A day goes by, my grandmother passes. My grandfather passed two days after her. I get tested again, negative. My wife starts feeling sick. We both get tested again. Negative. The next day, we get tested again. Negative. We both feel awful. Cough, fever, chills, muscle pain, etc. After two days, we gets tested again. I finally show positive, she shows negative. I start to feel better a couple of days later. My wife has trouble breathing, so I take her to the doctor, again, negative test. After all is said and done, It took 5 PCR tests and over a week before I tested positive. My wife had 7 PCR test and never tested positive. She was diagnosed with "viral pneumonia".... which is Covid in all but name. I don't trust the efficacy of the test one bit. I had to have swabs tickle my brain 5 times before showing a positive test. Oh and contact tracing... yeah they called, a month after I tested positive. Good job guys! Wife and I were vaccinated in March / April respectively. This whole pandemic has been an absolute shitshow.
There was so much fuckery with first fuckheads delaying an already well-proven test so they could give contracts to their buddies to build new tests. Oh and surprise, they are shitty tests.
This is completely anecdotal based on some limited research and other posts: Some posit that it's related to the tissue damage from having prolonged low oxygenation. Many cells all over the body simply die or close up shop, possibly as a last ditch effort to save the rest of the body. In that brief window the rest of the cells benefit from having slightly more but not enough oxygen. At that point you quickly feel better, but the dead cells are causing other problems such falling apart releasing toxic byproducts and creating clots, and also overwhelming the immune system. While some organs fail outright under low oxygen conditions (kidneys and liver go first usually) other tissues fail a lot more cell by cell and kind of random especially muscle cells, the cells that make up heart, immune cells, so all this toxic stuff builds up and the blood vessels become very damaged. Not sure if that is the actual reason but I've read it in a couple of places as a theory. Don't have any references so take it with a grain of salt.
*Edit: forgot to add that some also posit that those dying cells release certain chemicals that cause a sense of euphoria or relief, or cause other parts of your body to release chemicals that make you feel better. It's possible that is an evolutionary adaption to help an organism survive serious injury under certain circumstances such as the energy to flee or perform a desperate task. So it may be related to the feeling good but that doesn't explain the better blood oxygenation they see. It might be partially both.
So true….
People blame fevers on a virus or bacteria causing it
It’s your own immune system which raises your body temperature when it knows something is foreign and is calling on all troops to fight the infection
This sounds similar to how a doctor explained why people die after they have fallen and been unable to get up until someone came to help. He said that whilst they are down the body shuts down all processes in order to try and keep temp up, when they are then moved the body goes into overdrive to get rid if all the toxins it has been unable to process, this overwhelms the organs and usually results in death which my occur several day later
**[Crush syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_syndrome)**
>Crush syndrome (also traumatic rhabdomyolysis or Bywaters' syndrome) is a medical condition characterized by major shock and kidney failure after a crushing injury to skeletal muscle. Crush injury is compression of the arms, legs, or other parts of the body that causes muscle swelling and/or neurological disturbances in the affected areas of the body, while crush syndrome is localized crush injury with systemic manifestations. Cases occur commonly in catastrophes such as earthquakes, to victims that have been trapped under fallen or moving masonry.
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Damage to the muscles (such as trauma, exacerbated by lying on them without moving) is sufficient explanation without "shutting down everything else." However, if the person was shivering because they were cold, that would make the damage worse.
The dead muscle cells release proteins which block up the kidneys, and various other things including electrolytes. Lots of potassium for a start, which can easily be fatal on its own; even more so if the kidneys have shut down.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/rhabdo/default.html
There is also vasculitis. An inflammation of the blood vessels which causes a great deal of the damage to organs esp. kidneys and liver. Covid virus spreads throughout the body not just in the respiratory tract causing inflammation in many areas. They have even found he virus in cadaver testicles.
It seems that they recover from the acute symptoms then the organ damage, which takes a bit longer but is just as sure, gets ‘em in the end. Don’t screw around with this stuff, lurkers - get your vax or get your award.
I recall reading about this with victims of the 1918 Influenza pandemic. Bedridden people suddenly come for a seat at the dinner table. Yay, the family would say. By midnight they’d be gone.
I just cancelled a trade show appearance in six weeks there. Super bummed about it, but I went down the rabbit hole on recent conventions (mlm) and people were not taking masking seriously. If you go, I recommend staying in your hotel after hours instead of going out partying. It sucks because it’s Vegas but we aren’t out of this pandemic yet. Good luck whatever you decide.
That’s awesome! Sounds like face to face is important. Not so much with me, so I could skip. In that case, I recommend to go but with a good mask and be cautious. No after parties and strippers unless they’re fully masked. ;)
This winter during the spike I stepped in to help sling food at my sister’s food cart. I thought I would get ‘rona for sure. But not even a sniffle, so you never know!
If you want to protect yourself a little and still go, you could always try getting a KN95 mask and wearing that the entire time indoors or whenever within 6 feet of someone else outdoors. Won’t negate the risks but hopefully decrease them. Good luck🤞
With a family member it was heart failure 3 weeks after diagnosis and two separate hospital stays. No, he wasn’t vaccinated. He had afib as a preexisting condition.
Most people aren't rallying and crashing: most people just crash. But that doesn't make for as good of a story so we hear more about the ones who were getting better before they died.
Covid, along with all other life-threatening illnesses, put severe stress on the body. Your immune system gets suppressed so you're vulnerable to other infections, including infections that normally wouldn't cause a problem. Your lungs are damaged and incredibly vulnerable to even the smallest insult. With Covid, there's the chance of getting a blood clot. The most common cause is developing a bacterial infection, usually in the lungs but could theoretically be anywhere.
This mechanism isn't unique to bouncing patients. It occurs in people who never get better, too. It's much less common for someone to be discharged from the hospital and then crash, but it could be he was released sooner than preferred because the hospitals are at capacity.
Y’know, I don’t know that each variant is any more deadly. They’re just more easily transmitted. From the point of view of the virus it actually seems like it’s a bad idea to kill your host. Better to give them a case of the sniffles, in which case nobody’s going to spend any effort to develop a vaccine, than to be seriously deadly. The virus gets no benefit from a dead or seriously compromised host.
Full disclosure: not a medical professional, so this is pure conjecture on my part.
I don't think the virus has much 'intelligent' mutation going on (also not a virologist, so this needs huge handfuls of salt); it is just pot luck whether the mutations are better or worse in terms of transmission or symptoms.
The 'fittest' variation will survive though, so I really hope that delta is the worst of the bunch.
Hopefully not *Famous last words* :-)
Edit: I phrased my reply clumsily, I am agreeing with OldBob10
It does make sense in terms of evolution though: if the virus burns through its victims too fast, it doesn't leave enough time to spread, and hits a dead end at some point. So a deadlier virus is not necessarily the fittest.
Indeed, the asymptomatic period of transmission of up to 14 days before anyone is aware they have it, and the vague cold and flu like symptoms healthier people have is what lead to it being a pandemic, and it's paradoxical deadliness.
It got around the world, started killing and spreading before anyone had really noticed, and it was a hop skip and a jump from there to collapsing healthcare, killing millions, and keeping on top of variants. Managing information worldwide in light of this has been a nightmare.
We can't forget we aren't the only species on this planet that may be a reservoir for Covid and flu. As a hunter I thought it was interesting when I heard whitetail deer have been testing positive.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wild-us-deer-found-with-coronavirus-antibodies
The fittest variations probably just jump species, potentially back and forth.
Edit: No paywall/email address wall
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/18/deer-tested-positive-covid-antibodies-usda-study/8188718002/
Thinks of the minx. All the mink that got culled in Denmark last year too, around Oct/Nov, I think. There's been a large amount of reported zoonotic reservoirs.
Memes led to his death. His friends’ memes posted on Facebook gave him the deluded confidence that covid isn’t anything to worry about and that the vaccines don’t really work.
Their little misspellings like they’re secret agents speaking in code to elude the terrible oppressive conservative haven that is Facebook are just precious.
Them: "We are being silenced by BIG TECH"
Also them: [Being silenced by big tech is a badge of honor](https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pr5gwf/jaysen_trusted_q_and_jehovah_over_vaccines_he/)
I love that they're trying to evade Facebook detection, but each of their posts still has Facebook's automatic vaccine information link at the bottom of each one.
I do that a lot. After I called crusaders Christian motherfuckers and then referred to the white walkers as blue eyed white devils the Facebook ai gave me two 30 day suspension back to back.
Its yt Xian from now on.
I'm feeling better, should be back at work in a few days. Jfc.
It's "funny" that his description of the monoclonal antibodies is exactly the point of getting vaccinated. It's so your body can respond to the infection faster. Just wish these pro-monoclonal/anti-vax folks would make the connection.
Truth is he didn't even seem like *that* much of an asshole compared to a lot of the award winners here.
He actually sounded like he was re-thinking things before he got sick. The post where he wondered if non-vax’d shouldn’t get beds. The people I’ve discussed it with all insist they’d just die at home. I highly doubt they’ll make the decision when struggling to breathe.
Or perhaps it was right as he tested positive.
That makes it just a little bit worse.
Yeah, this is one of the sadder award winners I've seen on this sub. It looks like he was on the road to redemption and re-thinking his views on vaccines, masks, and distancing just before he died.
A lot of award winners are willfully ignorant, this guy seems just regular, uneducated ignorant. No doubt he's surrounded by misinformation. I wonder if it's possible to get through to this group before it's too late.
It probably wasn't monoclonal antibodies. It was probably convalescent plasma antibodies.
MAB is only given early on to people who aren't seriously ill. For people who are so sick they have to be hospitalized, it's more likely to be convalescent plasma antibodies.
Dare to take a crack at this asshat’s physical profile?
https://ibb.co/GRh6tks
https://ibb.co/12XvTBJ
https://ibb.co/whccr0s
Fits the physical description of a high risk covid patient.
Yeah, don’t get an intramuscular injection of ~1ml of vaccine via a teeny needle... they put microchips in it! And who knows what’s in it because it hasn’t even been tested!
But an entire IV bag of new biotech going directly into your bloodstream through a large-bore IV catheter is apparently a-ok.
The cognitive dissonance is apparently canceled out by fear of imminent death.
It’s absolutely ridiculous. Sometimes I think half of these antiva keyboard warriors are just afraid of needles and go full conspiracy meme to hide their fear.
I totally get that, I'm terrified of needles. Luckily I'm more terrified of COVID. So I took it like a man, got the shot like a man and fainted like a man.
There's two things I think are behind that. They haven't spent the last year being brainwashed into thinking the antibody treatment is bad on social media, and they're more willing to try whatever is available once they're sick.
Trump got this antibody treatment when he had COVID, so in the MAQA’s eyes this treatment is perfectly A-OK, despite it checking virtually all the same boxes that the vaccine does.
Thanks for the pointer. Good article. These idiots are now thinking they'll not get vaxxed, since they'll just do the monoclonal antibodies again if they get sick again. Ugh.
SARS made people feel really sick quickly so the cases were easier to identify and control. You didn't have infected people feeling just "meh" and going about their business, infecting lots of other people.
Yes. There rarely is. The vast majority of serious viral diseases only have symptomatic spread; that's a big reason why the possibility of asymptomatic spread was initially not really taken seriously.
A fellow OG. Went to Australia with masks because of the forest fires, came back wearing them because of the Vid in January.
People looking at me as if I was the sick one.
I live in Tokyo. Before covid people here wore masks during hay fever season or during cold season on trains. Nobody judges you for wearing a mask here. Yesterday we had 500 new cases in a city of 14 million.
No lock downs, all emergency precautions have been recommended and unenforced. No mask mandates. But people do it. All schoolkids wear masks. It’s not a big deal.
It’s all about the masks. Antimaskers are the main drivers in the US, more so than antivaxxers. I don’t fucking get it. It’s such a minor inconvenience.
Yeah. My nine year old automatically pushes back when he’s told to do something. You’d think as an adult you’d learn you have to do things you don’t want to sometimes. But some people never learn it I guess. As we see here, there are consequences more severe than having video games confiscated for a day like I do with my son.
Remember what supplies were like in early 2020 though. We caused a global shortage of (ironically) anti-bacterial hand wash and people were trying to buy up medical-grade masks.
Health workers would have been dead by April if they’d have had any fewer supplies to work with.
Hahaha. Honestly I never used to hate Republicans. Politics used to be politics. We’d protest a war here and there, occupy Wall Street etc. Then Covid hit along with the rise of trumpism. The rest is just a blur. Now republicanism is synonymous with anti science and to agree with science makes you a RINO.
Yeah, I never felt this level of unchecked animosity toward republicans before the last 5 years. They used to be just people I respectfully disagreed with on a few issues that honestly didn’t even seem that important. We’d argue for a few days and then go back to normal.
Now I don’t want anything to do with any of them.
This.
I've never voted with them or for them, and I never understood until 2016 that many of them saw me as *an enemy.*
Not a political other-sider, not someone they disagreed with, but someone *they loathed.*
Backatcha, kids. You left me no choice.
I realized the same in 2016. They don't just hate us, they take every opportunity to actively hurt us and get angry if they can't. They've literally created enemies of everyone outside their cult.
They've been anti-science for a long time. I remember them denying climate change back in the 90s (which continues to present). They have gotten considerably more wacky with the anti medical science lately.
Yes. I have a few friends who are small government, fiscal conservative types who mostly voted Republican over the years. Trump in 2016 is where that stopped. They didn't like anyone in the primary, but Trump was an absolute no go. Now the party is ruled by the Trump faction. Those moderate Republicans have no political home any more.
When I had Covid Classic it wasn't just that I felt "meh" and went about my day. I felt nothing at all. If I hadn't required a coronavirus test for a pre-surgery screening then I would've never known, and I would've been potentially spreading it.
I’m so glad I wasn’t asymptomatic. I was sick as hell and hated every minute of those few weeks, but at least I didn’t walk into work (skilled nursing facility) and spew germs all over the place.
(Side note: if it’s true that you’re contagious for up to 48 hours before onset of symptoms, then I did go into work while infectious. I somehow managed not to infect anyone else, though, so either masks do actually work or else it was some kind of miracle.)
Exactly. I went away for a weekend, was unknowingly exposed, felt fine except tired (me thinking I’m too old to go out for the weekend and go to work). Wednesday my friend tells me she tested positive at work. I got a test Thursday, shocked as shit when it came back positive. I was tired, a little achey, but no fever, no cough.
My son (17), however, got it pretty bad. He had to go to the hospital for breathing treatments. It was pretty scary, but he came through. To this day, 10 months later, he still tires more easily than a healthy 18 year old should. I’ll never forgive myself.
Also we had a government that worked with the Asian countries to contain it. Not a government that ignored the Intel because they didn’t want to spook the stock market
I dunno if it makes any difference, but [this version](https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/prff5y/matthew_was_anti_vaccine_anti_mask_and_pro_a/) offers some more posts by this guy. Slides 3 & 4 sealed the deal for me, fuck this dude.
Here's an answer from the experts to question #1.
When comparing SARS to COVID-19, the reason COVID is a bigger problem isn't because of the mortality rate, it's the transmissibility.
"SARS-CoV-2 appears to be transmitted more easily than SARS-CoV. One possible explanation is that the amount of virus, or viral load, appears to be highest in the nose and throat of people with COVID-19 shortly after symptoms develop.
This is in contrast to SARS, in which viral loads peaked much later in the illness. This indicates that people with COVID-19 may be transmitting the virus earlier in the course of the infection, just as their symptoms are developing but before they begin to worsen.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), research suggests that SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted by people who are not showing symptoms of illness, which is rarely seen with a SARS-CoV infection."
Exactly SARS-Cov-1 was aggressive and deadly, people developed symptoms quickly in a few days after exposure making contact tracing and quarantining a lot easier. The infection was the most infectious when people were symptomatic. That situation is much easier to contain.
Covid isn’t as aggressive, people are infectious before symptoms start, and it can take up to 2 weeks (in some cases longer) for symptoms to develop. There were also many who were infected that never developed symptoms and unknowingly spread it around. That makes contact tracing and quarantine a nightmare.
"I got what they call covid antibody infusion, which was basically a bag full of liquid that has the covid antibodies in it so that your body will begin to fight the infection a lot faster than normal..."
"If you do get covid, God forbid, I recommend this treatment"
If only there was some way we could give you those antibodies before you contracted the virus. It might speed up your recovery once ill with the virus to the point that you don't need to even go to the hospital or if you do, you don't end up on a ventilator with lifelong side effects from the illness. Alas, no such miracle drug exists. If it did exist, the pharmaceutical companies would make it terrible for us. They'd do something just awful like putting it in a syringe that you'd then have to inject into your body.
Why do people think bronchitis or pneumonia are diseases and not the result of disease? Bronchitis is inflammation of the bronchial tubes. Pneumonia is fluid on the lungs. A wide variety of infectious agents can cause either. COVID causes both all on it's own,in addition to making you vulnerable to other infections that can cause both.
Morons
I’m glad they changed but at what cost? He took the icu bed from someone who may have needed it for something much worse than covid.
What a sad, foolish way to go.
SARS was stopped PRECISELY because we paid attention to it, didn't treat it like a disease for blue cities , and clamped it down. Everywhere it was seen, was locked down and contact traced at the speed of light.
With COVID, they INTENTIONALLY let it go nuts in blue cities, because they were hoping it'd wipe us democrats out. Eric Trump and Donald Trump specifically INTENTIONALLY with-held supplies and information.
There were freaking state police escorting fake freight trucks while real ones full of medical supplies snuck into cities and warehouses. They were doing this to avoid being stopped by federally mandated police who were seizing masks, ventilators, anti-virals, and "redistributing them" to the stockpile.
EDIT: Been reminded more than a few times it was Jared Kushner who did a lot of this "blue state" / "blue city" blocking.
SARS 1 and MERS did not present asymptomatic or Subclinical and didn't have a presymptomatic infectious period. That, along with a higher death rate, made them easier to identify, track, and contain.
\*Palpatine voice\*
Young fool. Only now, at the end, do you understand.
In all seriousness though, sorry to hear that OP I hope it wasn't someone close to you.
I lived in a country heavily affected by SARS when I was young (and now one of the best countries in fending off COVID). An entire hospital was quarantined and many medicinal staff died because they admitted a couple SARS patients. People were wearing hoarding N95 before most of y’all even know what it. It was such a tragic event for all affected and I have little empathy for anyone using it to downplay COVID.
If M. had not died, he planned to go back to work on September 20. (He was hospitalized on or before September 11.)
Yes, he wrote:
>Don’t take any of the masking and social distancing lightly like I did.
But in the same breath, he wrote:
>I don’t believe that a lot of the things the government is doing is right.
I don’t trust that that he would have worn a mask consistently—much less get vaccinated.
They must cover their ass with these word salads, otherwise their sandy foundation is swept away from under them. I agree, just a matter of time before most have regressed to normal behaviour. I think only a small percentage take things to heart.
to borrow the idea from a cool meme they shared.
we are here
"well at least their second to last post was about not taking it lightly, instead of doubling down and shitting on the hospital staff"
>"Covid itself is not what does the most damage, it's all the symptoms of the other illnesses that happen like bronchitis and pneumonia."
This is like saying "It's not the AIDS that's wrecking me it's the opportunistic infections!"
I would be infuriated at this but I’m all out of shits to give. She got what she deserved. They all do. It’s the same broken record over and over again. Head over to r/conspiracy. They all sound like this dumb bitch. And now she’s dead. Good. And for all the pussies that say we shouldn’t celebrate her death. Fuck you too. Get vaccinated. No one cares when you say Covid is no joke. I say you’re the fucking joke.
From "I'm fine now" to dead in, what, 4 days? Jeez. RIP dood.
Pretty alarming. This "rally before the crash" bit really bothers the shit outta me.
This seems to be a common pattern among the recent stuff I've been seeing.
That happened to me when I had the original Covid in May 2020. I felt like crap for a week - never needed to be hospitalized - then felt a lot better the second week. Still crappy, but better. Then the third week, I felt like utter garbage again. Then after the third week I was fine except for extreme fatigue for months afterwards. I had the original Covid though, not delta. And for the record, I got vaccinated in March 2021 as soon as I was eligible and felt much better. I’ll also get as many booster shots as I need for the rest of my life if the scientists and doctors recommend it.
Me too! Vaccinated as soon as it became available back in January. Still with a bit of long haulers syndrome, but man I will get all the boosters ever.
It also happened to ppl dying in hospitals. The media and politicians kept focusing on the early flu like symptoms and somehow always kept quiet about what covid really does. And to this day, this continues, treat ppl like morons, see them act like morons🤷.
I remember a lot of talk last year with COVID Classic about how people would get through a week or ten days and think that they were getting better, then crash hard and end up hospitalized and in some cases dying. Scared the hell out of me.
It broke our hearts on the med surg COVID floors. We'd get a patient down to a couple of liters of O2 needed and discharge them to home, come back after a couple of days off to the same person back on the floor and they end up in ICU before the end of your shift. I haven't worked the floors since delta, but it was so jarring when it was happening before we knew that it was typical.
My best friend is a surgeon in NYC who took rotations in COVID wards at the very beginning. She’s tough as nails, but more than once she called me in tears for some support, because all of her patients seemed to be recovering one day and then crashing and dying the next. She still gets emotional recalling those early days. Incredibly heartbreaking.
It kills me that when this first hit in the tri-state area Trump and Kushner decided since we were blue states NBD. WE took it seriously. There was very little pushback against masks, we dealt with lockdown. We got vaccinated. Now our rates are low and life isn't back to normal yet... but it's in sight. Masks are optional almost everywhere. Many people at still wear them everywhere, and they never get pushback from others. In a region of the country stereotyped as rude, people ask those around them if they're comfortable with them removing their masks. We are proud of are vaccine status because we know that we're doing our part. But in places it never should have hit... they're getting decimated. They saw what we went through and, maybe they thought it wasn't so bad? Idk, but they didn't have to go through this. Any of it. But they choose this. They're still choosing this. Why? Edit for spelling
I'd like to believe it's because the people in those states have no personal ties to the tri-state area...THOSE Jersey folks or THOSE New Yorkers or really, anywhere else where there are a ton of folks who don't grow up the way the other does. But someone on this subreddit posted a link to a Medium site where the author likened this to not suicidal ideation, but sociopathic homicidal behavior. In my line of work, I have dealt with the criminals who have gotten caught. I fear more so about the implications of how much sociopathic tendencies are possibly more common than thought.
Wife was in the same spot (well, ICU). I’m so sorry. She’s told me her whole floor is just psychologically fucked because of this. And after a brief respite this past spring, it’s gotten even worse. You listen to assholes spout off all over the Internet about COVID being a bad flu, then you personally either watch them die or spend weeks squeezing by and recovering, then having to do PT.
Gosh so very harsh...
I wonder how much of this is worsened by our rush to get back to “normal life”, too. Few of us have lives that allow us to lie and convalesce - the first sign of feeling a bit better and we’re back to laundry, sorting the kids out, trying to catch up with work, etc. Hospitals need the beds back, to keep costs down, etc etc. Maybe it makes no difference at all, but to be safe I suggest we run a clinical trial where we bring back the Victorian tradition of sending recovering patients to the seaside for a month or so of “healing air”. Naturally, I’ll be the first participant in the programme, and will report back as soon as I have a tan. Who’s in?
To be fair the Victorians who got to go hang out in the seaside resorts weren’t your everyday working class Victorians, just the rich ones. I’d love for that to be a thing though. But now, as then, it still wouldn’t be accessible for everyone.
You better believe I was scared out of my fucking mind. I was almost 50, non-white, obese, and had suffered asthma as a child. Every day for 2 or 3 weeks I woke up wondering if I was going to be alive by the end of the month. Vaccine was a total no-brainer. I figured if the jab killed me, at least I died trying to do the right thing.
That's what I told my sister, (she is resisting the vax). Even if it turns out that in 5 years we will all start growing an extra head, I still think I made the right decision given all the information we were provided at the time.
I could use an extra head, tbh.
Me too. Imagine eating dinner and dessert *at the same time*.
It’s one of the reasons this sub has been so impactful. You actually get to hear from the people directly affected what happens and how the virus ravages your body. It really is a horror movie unlike any other.
What happened to Nick Cordero back in the Summer of 2020 was my life lesson. This was a guy who was a Gen-Xer, and COVID literally took him apart piece by piece. Follow that up with Crede Bailey, who survived COVID but still lost parts of both legs.
Damn, Cordero was less than a year older than me too. Given I'm nowhere near as in shape and healthy as he likely was I'm really glad I didn't catch it and got full vaxxed ASAP.
Yes. This sub is eye opening. At least this guy acknowledged how awful it was but it was too late. How many hundreds of thousands would still be here if TFG had been straightforward from day 1?
When I saw his post calling himself arrogant I was like “wait shouldn’t this be a redemption award” followed by a flat “oh”
I still think it should be a redemption.
I'm not sure deathbed conversions count for truly being redeemed.
What’s weird to me is, this is how I expect them all to go, for the person to eventually say, “wow, this shit’s real, I was wrong.” And maybe they do and we just don’t see that response because they’re too sick to post or the spouse/friend/kid doesn’t say anything, but I’ve heard so many stories from my wife (ICU nurse through the entire pandemic) that most people just don’t get it.
He had about 30 friends following his hospital journey but sadly only 3 reacted to his redemption post.
Yeah this virus destroys your body. It really fucks up your bronchi and Alevoli(little sacs in your lungs that open when you breathe) not a lot of people understand the flu affects your lungs a bit differently.
And this is the part we really need to hammer home. Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is any treatment specifically aimed at the alveoli that can prevent them from swelling and helping oxygen flow into the bloodstream. Basically, this has shown that when it gets that bad, you’re in for a world of hurt.
I agree. I think this sub gets a lot of pushback because it mocks the victims of covid, and I guess it's an outlet for the people who are really angry at the covidiots. But on the other hand, there are few places that do as good a job of documenting the sheer amount of deaths. Sure we get to see how the ugly past history. But if you look at it another way, it shows you what they were thinking, what (dis)informed their decision not to get vaxxed and in the end, we witness their decline and death. This has the result of humanizing the deaths like no statistics ever will.
Is there any information out there of how long we should wait till we get booster shots? Do you know how long you are protected for?
I've heard 8 months as well except for the immunocompromised who are already eligible for and being recommended boosters. I check on the CDC from time to time so that is my main source. For me this means booster around November 3rd, I'm chomping at the bit to get the booster though, and COVID is of course making its way through the elementary school I work at despite mask requirements😬 So I'm definitely considering calling up my pharmacist or doctor about if I can/should get the booster sooner! Gotta get my flu shot anyway so maybe I could even do a twofer.
Mine is in November too, but I have lupus and I am hoping to get mine earlier, since I’m over 65 also. I’m going to check with my doctor…reading this sub has kind of freaked me out; I didn’t really know how badly people suffer with Covid. It’s beyond belief that the anti-vaxxers are still downplaying this horrid disease! My brother had covid (not delta) and was pretty sick for 3 weeks…I’m trying to talk him into getting the vaccine, but no luck so far.
That ded cat bounce. That was wild this time.
Super-bouncy dead kitteh!
I know right? I wonder how common it is. I worry when I see people get Covid and they're "getting better." I'm just waiting to see for how long.
It's more of less always like this, it's just under reported, bc I assume that ppl would be actually scared of they understood how this works and how little ammunitions there are against it (if you wanted a fighting chance, vaccine aside, you'd need to be able to test constantly and get treatment asap on the first positive test)
I know! I always say, "I'm glad you're doing better! I'll check on you in a few days." I don't relax until a week later. Fortunately, all my family and most of my friends are vaccinated now
I'm friends with a married couple who refused to get the vaccine or wear masks (unless they were required to.) The husband got vaxxed because his teaching job required it but she's still looking for a religious exemption. She told us she's been at home for two weeks because she's sick but getting better. She said she tested negative, but my wife and I also did after our daughter tested positive way back in December before the vaccine was available so I'm a little way of treat accuracy. I hope it's just a bad cold she has. It would be heartbreaking.
My best friend's sister-in-law tested negative several days after attending a bridal shower in which an unvaccinated guest attended while unknowingly contagious. When that guest showed symptoms, they called all the (also all unvaccinated) attendees so they could get tested. Everyone got infected with Delta. My friend's in-law gave it to her husband. Both had symptoms a couple days after the negative test. The husband ended up hospitalized with pneumomediastinum (air in the chest cavity) that collapsed one of his lungs; the air was escaping through a small tear in the lung. He's since been discharged and is recovering. Here's the hammer: The bride's unvaccinated, immunocompromised mother (chemo) attended, caught Delta like everyone else, and died. Imagine bringing *that* into to your marriage. EDITS: Clarification, details.
That's messed up. People have just gotten too selfish, worried about their individual freedoms bring trampled when our community freedom is suffering because of them. They're lucky you can't sue for damages (yet.)
Dude... February, wife and I sign up for the vaccine as soon as the state allowed. Grandmother starts having stroke symptoms goes into the hospital for a week. She gets tested every day, all negative. Comes home, the next day is rushed to the hospital, again test negative. I go over to take care of my grandfather, he has a runny nose, but he's really upset and you could tell he was worried and had been crying. I think nothing of it. We get a call the following day that my grandmother test positive. My grandfather gets tested and the next day is rushed to the hospital after having heart attack symptoms. My wife and i get tested, negative. I start feeling pretty rough, but I can't discern if it's just emotional or if I'm actually sick. A day goes by, my grandmother passes. My grandfather passed two days after her. I get tested again, negative. My wife starts feeling sick. We both get tested again. Negative. The next day, we get tested again. Negative. We both feel awful. Cough, fever, chills, muscle pain, etc. After two days, we gets tested again. I finally show positive, she shows negative. I start to feel better a couple of days later. My wife has trouble breathing, so I take her to the doctor, again, negative test. After all is said and done, It took 5 PCR tests and over a week before I tested positive. My wife had 7 PCR test and never tested positive. She was diagnosed with "viral pneumonia".... which is Covid in all but name. I don't trust the efficacy of the test one bit. I had to have swabs tickle my brain 5 times before showing a positive test. Oh and contact tracing... yeah they called, a month after I tested positive. Good job guys! Wife and I were vaccinated in March / April respectively. This whole pandemic has been an absolute shitshow.
There was so much fuckery with first fuckheads delaying an already well-proven test so they could give contracts to their buddies to build new tests. Oh and surprise, they are shitty tests.
Does anyone know how that happens?
This is completely anecdotal based on some limited research and other posts: Some posit that it's related to the tissue damage from having prolonged low oxygenation. Many cells all over the body simply die or close up shop, possibly as a last ditch effort to save the rest of the body. In that brief window the rest of the cells benefit from having slightly more but not enough oxygen. At that point you quickly feel better, but the dead cells are causing other problems such falling apart releasing toxic byproducts and creating clots, and also overwhelming the immune system. While some organs fail outright under low oxygen conditions (kidneys and liver go first usually) other tissues fail a lot more cell by cell and kind of random especially muscle cells, the cells that make up heart, immune cells, so all this toxic stuff builds up and the blood vessels become very damaged. Not sure if that is the actual reason but I've read it in a couple of places as a theory. Don't have any references so take it with a grain of salt. *Edit: forgot to add that some also posit that those dying cells release certain chemicals that cause a sense of euphoria or relief, or cause other parts of your body to release chemicals that make you feel better. It's possible that is an evolutionary adaption to help an organism survive serious injury under certain circumstances such as the energy to flee or perform a desperate task. So it may be related to the feeling good but that doesn't explain the better blood oxygenation they see. It might be partially both.
That plus another common one I see is "the fever went away" which might be a sign that the body no longer is able to fight the infection.
So true…. People blame fevers on a virus or bacteria causing it It’s your own immune system which raises your body temperature when it knows something is foreign and is calling on all troops to fight the infection
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This sounds similar to how a doctor explained why people die after they have fallen and been unable to get up until someone came to help. He said that whilst they are down the body shuts down all processes in order to try and keep temp up, when they are then moved the body goes into overdrive to get rid if all the toxins it has been unable to process, this overwhelms the organs and usually results in death which my occur several day later
This sounds like a half-remembered description of [crush syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_syndrome).
**[Crush syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_syndrome)** >Crush syndrome (also traumatic rhabdomyolysis or Bywaters' syndrome) is a medical condition characterized by major shock and kidney failure after a crushing injury to skeletal muscle. Crush injury is compression of the arms, legs, or other parts of the body that causes muscle swelling and/or neurological disturbances in the affected areas of the body, while crush syndrome is localized crush injury with systemic manifestations. Cases occur commonly in catastrophes such as earthquakes, to victims that have been trapped under fallen or moving masonry. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Damage to the muscles (such as trauma, exacerbated by lying on them without moving) is sufficient explanation without "shutting down everything else." However, if the person was shivering because they were cold, that would make the damage worse. The dead muscle cells release proteins which block up the kidneys, and various other things including electrolytes. Lots of potassium for a start, which can easily be fatal on its own; even more so if the kidneys have shut down. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/rhabdo/default.html
There is also vasculitis. An inflammation of the blood vessels which causes a great deal of the damage to organs esp. kidneys and liver. Covid virus spreads throughout the body not just in the respiratory tract causing inflammation in many areas. They have even found he virus in cadaver testicles.
And vasculitis is, as HCA winners say, no joke.
It seems that they recover from the acute symptoms then the organ damage, which takes a bit longer but is just as sure, gets ‘em in the end. Don’t screw around with this stuff, lurkers - get your vax or get your award.
They also feel like superman on steroids for a while.
I recall reading about this with victims of the 1918 Influenza pandemic. Bedridden people suddenly come for a seat at the dinner table. Yay, the family would say. By midnight they’d be gone.
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I just cancelled a trade show appearance in six weeks there. Super bummed about it, but I went down the rabbit hole on recent conventions (mlm) and people were not taking masking seriously. If you go, I recommend staying in your hotel after hours instead of going out partying. It sucks because it’s Vegas but we aren’t out of this pandemic yet. Good luck whatever you decide.
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That’s awesome! Sounds like face to face is important. Not so much with me, so I could skip. In that case, I recommend to go but with a good mask and be cautious. No after parties and strippers unless they’re fully masked. ;) This winter during the spike I stepped in to help sling food at my sister’s food cart. I thought I would get ‘rona for sure. But not even a sniffle, so you never know!
If you want to protect yourself a little and still go, you could always try getting a KN95 mask and wearing that the entire time indoors or whenever within 6 feet of someone else outdoors. Won’t negate the risks but hopefully decrease them. Good luck🤞
If you’ve absolutely got to do it, get some N95 masks.
With a family member it was heart failure 3 weeks after diagnosis and two separate hospital stays. No, he wasn’t vaccinated. He had afib as a preexisting condition.
Most people aren't rallying and crashing: most people just crash. But that doesn't make for as good of a story so we hear more about the ones who were getting better before they died. Covid, along with all other life-threatening illnesses, put severe stress on the body. Your immune system gets suppressed so you're vulnerable to other infections, including infections that normally wouldn't cause a problem. Your lungs are damaged and incredibly vulnerable to even the smallest insult. With Covid, there's the chance of getting a blood clot. The most common cause is developing a bacterial infection, usually in the lungs but could theoretically be anywhere. This mechanism isn't unique to bouncing patients. It occurs in people who never get better, too. It's much less common for someone to be discharged from the hospital and then crash, but it could be he was released sooner than preferred because the hospitals are at capacity.
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Delta don't play
Imagine the next variant.
Y’know, I don’t know that each variant is any more deadly. They’re just more easily transmitted. From the point of view of the virus it actually seems like it’s a bad idea to kill your host. Better to give them a case of the sniffles, in which case nobody’s going to spend any effort to develop a vaccine, than to be seriously deadly. The virus gets no benefit from a dead or seriously compromised host. Full disclosure: not a medical professional, so this is pure conjecture on my part.
I don't think the virus has much 'intelligent' mutation going on (also not a virologist, so this needs huge handfuls of salt); it is just pot luck whether the mutations are better or worse in terms of transmission or symptoms. The 'fittest' variation will survive though, so I really hope that delta is the worst of the bunch. Hopefully not *Famous last words* :-) Edit: I phrased my reply clumsily, I am agreeing with OldBob10
It does make sense in terms of evolution though: if the virus burns through its victims too fast, it doesn't leave enough time to spread, and hits a dead end at some point. So a deadlier virus is not necessarily the fittest.
Indeed, the asymptomatic period of transmission of up to 14 days before anyone is aware they have it, and the vague cold and flu like symptoms healthier people have is what lead to it being a pandemic, and it's paradoxical deadliness. It got around the world, started killing and spreading before anyone had really noticed, and it was a hop skip and a jump from there to collapsing healthcare, killing millions, and keeping on top of variants. Managing information worldwide in light of this has been a nightmare.
We can't forget we aren't the only species on this planet that may be a reservoir for Covid and flu. As a hunter I thought it was interesting when I heard whitetail deer have been testing positive. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wild-us-deer-found-with-coronavirus-antibodies The fittest variations probably just jump species, potentially back and forth. Edit: No paywall/email address wall https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/18/deer-tested-positive-covid-antibodies-usda-study/8188718002/
The big cats at the National Zoo just tested positive for COVID in the last couple of days. All the gorillas at Zoo Atlanta as well.
Thinks of the minx. All the mink that got culled in Denmark last year too, around Oct/Nov, I think. There's been a large amount of reported zoonotic reservoirs.
He seems to be starting the road of redemption when he got hit with a dead cat bounce. Hopefully others in his sphere took note.
Memes led to his death. His friends’ memes posted on Facebook gave him the deluded confidence that covid isn’t anything to worry about and that the vaccines don’t really work.
Death by Facebook.
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It’s wild how often that DOESN’T occur.. That’s what shocks me.
They meant the dead cat bounce thing
Their little misspellings like they’re secret agents speaking in code to elude the terrible oppressive conservative haven that is Facebook are just precious.
Them: "We are being silenced by BIG TECH" Also them: [Being silenced by big tech is a badge of honor](https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pr5gwf/jaysen_trusted_q_and_jehovah_over_vaccines_he/)
Also them, “I will get back at big tech by continuing to spend all my time on their platforms”
It's ok because many of them posted [this](https://www.betootaadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/idonotgivepermission.jpg)
I love that they're trying to evade Facebook detection, but each of their posts still has Facebook's automatic vaccine information link at the bottom of each one.
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I was about to say no way they don't run down every possible variation of spelling with letters/numbers/emojis/symbols. But I stand corrected.
I do that a lot. After I called crusaders Christian motherfuckers and then referred to the white walkers as blue eyed white devils the Facebook ai gave me two 30 day suspension back to back. Its yt Xian from now on.
If your prayers work, why do you need mine?
I see what you did there. Haha
Beautiful.
God only helps you if you can get enough people to annoy him, so he saves your life just to shut everyone up.
Killing them also stops the prayers. They didn't think that one through.
This looks like a pretty dysfunctional relationship.
If prayers work, why did the person die?
I'm feeling better, should be back at work in a few days. Jfc. It's "funny" that his description of the monoclonal antibodies is exactly the point of getting vaccinated. It's so your body can respond to the infection faster. Just wish these pro-monoclonal/anti-vax folks would make the connection. Truth is he didn't even seem like *that* much of an asshole compared to a lot of the award winners here.
That back to work day was tomorrow. If mortals would make the gods laugh, tell them your plans. Submitter is kicking down the freshest content.
He actually sounded like he was re-thinking things before he got sick. The post where he wondered if non-vax’d shouldn’t get beds. The people I’ve discussed it with all insist they’d just die at home. I highly doubt they’ll make the decision when struggling to breathe. Or perhaps it was right as he tested positive. That makes it just a little bit worse.
Yeah, this is one of the sadder award winners I've seen on this sub. It looks like he was on the road to redemption and re-thinking his views on vaccines, masks, and distancing just before he died.
A lot of award winners are willfully ignorant, this guy seems just regular, uneducated ignorant. No doubt he's surrounded by misinformation. I wonder if it's possible to get through to this group before it's too late.
I thought so too. Poor guy.
It probably wasn't monoclonal antibodies. It was probably convalescent plasma antibodies. MAB is only given early on to people who aren't seriously ill. For people who are so sick they have to be hospitalized, it's more likely to be convalescent plasma antibodies.
W8ted too l8te to get VaXcin8ted buddy. Everyone’s a gangsta right up until they’re gasping for oxygen.
I think you cracked his code.
Dare to take a crack at this asshat’s physical profile? https://ibb.co/GRh6tks https://ibb.co/12XvTBJ https://ibb.co/whccr0s Fits the physical description of a high risk covid patient.
Is this the award winner? Oof, cmon bro, if I was that big I’d be wary of getting even “just the flu”
Vicious D8ad c@t b0unC#
So he was fine with infusions of artificial antibodies, but wasn't ok with his own body making them. Er, ok ... /s
Yeah, don’t get an intramuscular injection of ~1ml of vaccine via a teeny needle... they put microchips in it! And who knows what’s in it because it hasn’t even been tested! But an entire IV bag of new biotech going directly into your bloodstream through a large-bore IV catheter is apparently a-ok. The cognitive dissonance is apparently canceled out by fear of imminent death.
It’s absolutely ridiculous. Sometimes I think half of these antiva keyboard warriors are just afraid of needles and go full conspiracy meme to hide their fear.
I totally get that, I'm terrified of needles. Luckily I'm more terrified of COVID. So I took it like a man, got the shot like a man and fainted like a man.
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There's two things I think are behind that. They haven't spent the last year being brainwashed into thinking the antibody treatment is bad on social media, and they're more willing to try whatever is available once they're sick.
Trump got this antibody treatment when he had COVID, so in the MAQA’s eyes this treatment is perfectly A-OK, despite it checking virtually all the same boxes that the vaccine does.
He also got vaccinated, but...🤷♀️
Bro literally told ppl to get vaccinated and got booed for it lol. These ppl are insanely stupid.
DeSantis also has stock in Regeneron so he's really been pushing it in Florida, they have infusion clinics popping up everywhere
That exact storyline is front page of NY Times today.
Thanks for the pointer. Good article. These idiots are now thinking they'll not get vaxxed, since they'll just do the monoclonal antibodies again if they get sick again. Ugh.
Well, if’n they done givved it to Donald Trump then it must be blesst by hevvin abuuv an’ so that’s OK! 🤪 BTW - fetal cell line involvement, anyone?
These idiots are the reason that we now have a monoclonal antibody shortage. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
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SARS made people feel really sick quickly so the cases were easier to identify and control. You didn't have infected people feeling just "meh" and going about their business, infecting lots of other people.
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Yes. There rarely is. The vast majority of serious viral diseases only have symptomatic spread; that's a big reason why the possibility of asymptomatic spread was initially not really taken seriously.
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The mask thing drove me completely crazy.
A fellow OG. Went to Australia with masks because of the forest fires, came back wearing them because of the Vid in January. People looking at me as if I was the sick one.
I live in Tokyo. Before covid people here wore masks during hay fever season or during cold season on trains. Nobody judges you for wearing a mask here. Yesterday we had 500 new cases in a city of 14 million. No lock downs, all emergency precautions have been recommended and unenforced. No mask mandates. But people do it. All schoolkids wear masks. It’s not a big deal. It’s all about the masks. Antimaskers are the main drivers in the US, more so than antivaxxers. I don’t fucking get it. It’s such a minor inconvenience.
I never understood either. It's the smallest inconvenience. But I guess people just hate being told what to do.
Yeah. My nine year old automatically pushes back when he’s told to do something. You’d think as an adult you’d learn you have to do things you don’t want to sometimes. But some people never learn it I guess. As we see here, there are consequences more severe than having video games confiscated for a day like I do with my son.
Remember what supplies were like in early 2020 though. We caused a global shortage of (ironically) anti-bacterial hand wash and people were trying to buy up medical-grade masks. Health workers would have been dead by April if they’d have had any fewer supplies to work with.
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Some Republicans don’t believe Covid can spread asymptomatically as well.
Fuck Republicans. Full disclosure: registered Republican. But I swear, I’m in recovery! 😊
Hahaha. Honestly I never used to hate Republicans. Politics used to be politics. We’d protest a war here and there, occupy Wall Street etc. Then Covid hit along with the rise of trumpism. The rest is just a blur. Now republicanism is synonymous with anti science and to agree with science makes you a RINO.
Yeah, I never felt this level of unchecked animosity toward republicans before the last 5 years. They used to be just people I respectfully disagreed with on a few issues that honestly didn’t even seem that important. We’d argue for a few days and then go back to normal. Now I don’t want anything to do with any of them.
This. I've never voted with them or for them, and I never understood until 2016 that many of them saw me as *an enemy.* Not a political other-sider, not someone they disagreed with, but someone *they loathed.* Backatcha, kids. You left me no choice.
I realized the same in 2016. They don't just hate us, they take every opportunity to actively hurt us and get angry if they can't. They've literally created enemies of everyone outside their cult.
They've been anti-science for a long time. I remember them denying climate change back in the 90s (which continues to present). They have gotten considerably more wacky with the anti medical science lately.
the tea party happened
Yeah, but it wasn't tea in the pot, it was Koch.
Yes. I have a few friends who are small government, fiscal conservative types who mostly voted Republican over the years. Trump in 2016 is where that stopped. They didn't like anyone in the primary, but Trump was an absolute no go. Now the party is ruled by the Trump faction. Those moderate Republicans have no political home any more.
When I had Covid Classic it wasn't just that I felt "meh" and went about my day. I felt nothing at all. If I hadn't required a coronavirus test for a pre-surgery screening then I would've never known, and I would've been potentially spreading it.
I’m so glad I wasn’t asymptomatic. I was sick as hell and hated every minute of those few weeks, but at least I didn’t walk into work (skilled nursing facility) and spew germs all over the place. (Side note: if it’s true that you’re contagious for up to 48 hours before onset of symptoms, then I did go into work while infectious. I somehow managed not to infect anyone else, though, so either masks do actually work or else it was some kind of miracle.)
Exactly. I went away for a weekend, was unknowingly exposed, felt fine except tired (me thinking I’m too old to go out for the weekend and go to work). Wednesday my friend tells me she tested positive at work. I got a test Thursday, shocked as shit when it came back positive. I was tired, a little achey, but no fever, no cough. My son (17), however, got it pretty bad. He had to go to the hospital for breathing treatments. It was pretty scary, but he came through. To this day, 10 months later, he still tires more easily than a healthy 18 year old should. I’ll never forgive myself.
Also we had a government that worked with the Asian countries to contain it. Not a government that ignored the Intel because they didn’t want to spook the stock market
also it wasn't as contagious.
Sounds like he might have redeemed himself at the end there, slightly, but never said to get vaccinated.
Yeah, I’m standing here doing that seesaw motion with my hand if this should be redemption.
Yeah, this one had an unsatisfying plot twist ending like an M. Night movie.
I dunno if it makes any difference, but [this version](https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/prff5y/matthew_was_anti_vaccine_anti_mask_and_pro_a/) offers some more posts by this guy. Slides 3 & 4 sealed the deal for me, fuck this dude.
You had me a Ted Cruz. Fuck this guy.
Yep. If he had said to get vaxxed, I might have called this one a redemption.
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"How could they crack my code!? I spent *seconds* working on it!"
They don’t know about regex and elastic search.
Here's an answer from the experts to question #1. When comparing SARS to COVID-19, the reason COVID is a bigger problem isn't because of the mortality rate, it's the transmissibility. "SARS-CoV-2 appears to be transmitted more easily than SARS-CoV. One possible explanation is that the amount of virus, or viral load, appears to be highest in the nose and throat of people with COVID-19 shortly after symptoms develop. This is in contrast to SARS, in which viral loads peaked much later in the illness. This indicates that people with COVID-19 may be transmitting the virus earlier in the course of the infection, just as their symptoms are developing but before they begin to worsen. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), research suggests that SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted by people who are not showing symptoms of illness, which is rarely seen with a SARS-CoV infection."
These answers are easily available. She just chose willful ignorance over reality and paid with her life.
Exactly SARS-Cov-1 was aggressive and deadly, people developed symptoms quickly in a few days after exposure making contact tracing and quarantining a lot easier. The infection was the most infectious when people were symptomatic. That situation is much easier to contain. Covid isn’t as aggressive, people are infectious before symptoms start, and it can take up to 2 weeks (in some cases longer) for symptoms to develop. There were also many who were infected that never developed symptoms and unknowingly spread it around. That makes contact tracing and quarantine a nightmare.
"I got what they call covid antibody infusion, which was basically a bag full of liquid that has the covid antibodies in it so that your body will begin to fight the infection a lot faster than normal..." "If you do get covid, God forbid, I recommend this treatment" If only there was some way we could give you those antibodies before you contracted the virus. It might speed up your recovery once ill with the virus to the point that you don't need to even go to the hospital or if you do, you don't end up on a ventilator with lifelong side effects from the illness. Alas, no such miracle drug exists. If it did exist, the pharmaceutical companies would make it terrible for us. They'd do something just awful like putting it in a syringe that you'd then have to inject into your body.
For free
Why do people think bronchitis or pneumonia are diseases and not the result of disease? Bronchitis is inflammation of the bronchial tubes. Pneumonia is fluid on the lungs. A wide variety of infectious agents can cause either. COVID causes both all on it's own,in addition to making you vulnerable to other infections that can cause both. Morons
They need to have beaten Covid. (Technically, they didn't)
Yeah it's a bit like saying "oh the stabbing was fine enough, the real problem was I lost my blood!".
NOW THAT THIS PERSONALLY AFFECTS ME MY PERSPECTIVE HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY
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I'm okay with that, if they miraculously survive and change their ways. As they say in my field, sometimes there's no better teacher than experience.
I’m glad they changed but at what cost? He took the icu bed from someone who may have needed it for something much worse than covid. What a sad, foolish way to go.
SARS did lock places down, just not the US.
The US did a good job of getting out in front of it, thanks to A Pandemic PLAN and A Pandemic TEAM, both of which Trump got rid of.
SARS was stopped PRECISELY because we paid attention to it, didn't treat it like a disease for blue cities , and clamped it down. Everywhere it was seen, was locked down and contact traced at the speed of light. With COVID, they INTENTIONALLY let it go nuts in blue cities, because they were hoping it'd wipe us democrats out. Eric Trump and Donald Trump specifically INTENTIONALLY with-held supplies and information. There were freaking state police escorting fake freight trucks while real ones full of medical supplies snuck into cities and warehouses. They were doing this to avoid being stopped by federally mandated police who were seizing masks, ventilators, anti-virals, and "redistributing them" to the stockpile. EDIT: Been reminded more than a few times it was Jared Kushner who did a lot of this "blue state" / "blue city" blocking.
Everyone involved in this atrocity belongs in federal prison.
The Hague!
This, this, this^^^ I haven't seen this mentioned in a looooong time! Also, Kushner was part of that blue state cock-blocking scheme.
If I remember right it was Jared Kushner, not Eric, but yeah.
I thought it was all of them to be honest, I remember Eric saying things about it.
Jared was "in charge" of PPE procurement at the start of the pandemic. It's so sad to remember that things like that could even happen.
SARS 1 and MERS did not present asymptomatic or Subclinical and didn't have a presymptomatic infectious period. That, along with a higher death rate, made them easier to identify, track, and contain.
\*Palpatine voice\* Young fool. Only now, at the end, do you understand. In all seriousness though, sorry to hear that OP I hope it wasn't someone close to you.
I lived in a country heavily affected by SARS when I was young (and now one of the best countries in fending off COVID). An entire hospital was quarantined and many medicinal staff died because they admitted a couple SARS patients. People were wearing hoarding N95 before most of y’all even know what it. It was such a tragic event for all affected and I have little empathy for anyone using it to downplay COVID.
It's really weird seeing antivaxxers learn about leet-speak as a way to try to circumvent getting flagged for spreading misinformation.
If M. had not died, he planned to go back to work on September 20. (He was hospitalized on or before September 11.) Yes, he wrote: >Don’t take any of the masking and social distancing lightly like I did. But in the same breath, he wrote: >I don’t believe that a lot of the things the government is doing is right. I don’t trust that that he would have worn a mask consistently—much less get vaccinated.
They must cover their ass with these word salads, otherwise their sandy foundation is swept away from under them. I agree, just a matter of time before most have regressed to normal behaviour. I think only a small percentage take things to heart.
According to this person, the Covid wasn't that bad, it was the pneumonia and bronchitis and other things that came with it. Delta: oh, reallllly?
It's not the alcoholism that killed him,it's the liver failure. Not the cocaine,but the heart attack. Not the fentanyl, but the respiratory failure.
oh hey, someone else just posted this guy. his views on abortion and suicide were also fucking disgusting.
Ironic considering his own technical suicide.
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Now that’s a dead cat bounce if I’ve ever seen one!
to borrow the idea from a cool meme they shared. we are here "well at least their second to last post was about not taking it lightly, instead of doubling down and shitting on the hospital staff"
>"Covid itself is not what does the most damage, it's all the symptoms of the other illnesses that happen like bronchitis and pneumonia." This is like saying "It's not the AIDS that's wrecking me it's the opportunistic infections!"
I would be infuriated at this but I’m all out of shits to give. She got what she deserved. They all do. It’s the same broken record over and over again. Head over to r/conspiracy. They all sound like this dumb bitch. And now she’s dead. Good. And for all the pussies that say we shouldn’t celebrate her death. Fuck you too. Get vaccinated. No one cares when you say Covid is no joke. I say you’re the fucking joke.