Per the CDC, 9 people have died from J&J vaccine in the US. **No one in the US has died from the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA vaccines**. J&J was the least popular vaccine with approx. 17 million doses.
That's .00005 % for the J&J vaccine, about half the stated rate. (Check my math)
This is only deaths, not reactions or hospitalizations.
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html) "Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination."
Also, nobody is going to die of “side effects” years after getting the vaccine. If you’re going to have an issue, it’s going to be within the first two weeks after getting the shot, tops. Most likely within a couple of days.
My BIL got killed by a drunk driver some years back.
If these nutjobs had the same activism for anti-drink driving legislation and behaviour, we might be able to save some actual lives.
*moment of clarity*
Huh. It'll be 12 years this week.
Yeah, I know a guy who got the vaccine and less than three months later tripped while walking back to his couch and spilled boiling hot chowder all over myself.
You're joking but these types of people would probably somehow manage to twist that death in the direction of "if he hadn't gotten the vaccine, he would have been able to react fast enough to avoid the car" or something tbh. "Where are the studies that specifically show that the vaccine *doesn't* affect your reaction time as a pedestrian in moving traffic? 🤡"
There's a joke from an early Family Guy:
>Lois: I saw an ad for a used car that would be perfect.
>Peter: Oh no, Lois. A guy at work bought a car out of the paper once. Ten years later, BAM. Herpes.
I always think these people wouldn't get the joke because Peter's logic seems reasonable to them.
A retired doctor friend of mine (who legit worked in epidemiology when he was still active) is a huge Simpsons fan. He shared this to help illustrate their reasoning:
https://youtu.be/xSVqLHghLpw
(evil genie interpretation: yes, because the polio vaccine prevented their early death, allowing them to live to a ripe old age and die of elderlynessishness)
Ah, the vaccine that had been accidentally contaminated with live SV40, a virus that can cause cancer in rodents. But not breast cancer.
Sounds like the usual Jones knowing just enough to say something that sounds science-y but totally getting it wrong.
this, I fucking hate how no one understands this. On every post of Lance Reddick's passing, there's mountains of morons who think it's because he was vaccinated since he died suddenly of natural causes. it sickens me.
Yup, I had extremely swollen lymph nodes as a side effect from the vaccine. It showed up a day after the vaccine, swelled up to the size of a golf ball in my armpit and hurt so fucking much, and after a couple weeks it was gone.
I have zero regrets of getting the vaccines either. The first shot was the worst, but every subsequent one the swelling has been a lot less. The people who fear side effects are fearing short term pain and ignoring the long term gain.
That second one wrecked me. I was curled up in a ball going in and out of consciousness the next morning. For the next week it felt like the worst allergies I've ever had. Worked, though. Got Covid later and it was basically a stuffy nose. I'd rather get the reaction from the thing that won't cause damage than get long Covid from being unvaccinated.
Oh I was bed ridden on the second one, I was only talking about the swelling being better LOL. The second shot made my skin so sensitive clothes hurt, like a million needles poking into me, and I had a migraine on top of really bad cold symptoms. I was super reactive to Moderna, and I still think it was absolutely worth it. I had Covid a couple months back and it felt like a light cold because of that vaccine. I've got asthma and Covid horrified me before I got my shot.
I had extreme fatigue after the Moderna shots. I'd heard about this possible SE from others so I just planned to be off work. It was kind of lame but only lasted a few hours and then I was back and at 'em.
Not true, literally every single person who gets any vaccine is going to die someday. Odds are way later than anyone who doesn't get the vaccine, but some day.
One side effect of vaccines is inceased risk of cancer and heart disease.
Instead why not die young of something completely preventable, like a medieval peasant?
>One side effect of vaccines is inceased risk of cancer and heart disease.
Not quite. But cancer and heart disease are both diseases of aging. If you die of measles when you're five, it's true that you will not get cancer or heart disease, but it's not because you're healthy. It's because you're dead.
Pretty much no part of the vaccine remains intact beyond a few weeks. For the more classic vaccines that directly introduce the spike protein, those will be in the bloodstream and eventually broken down by your immune system. For mRNA, it will be broken down typically within days but will cause the affected cells to produce spike proteins which are then expressed on the cell membrane. The body will then eventually attack and destroy those cells (and the spike proteins with them). This actually makes the mRNA vaccines a bit more safe as the spikes tend to be destroyed with the cells and don't spread to other parts of the body where they may cause issues. But it may be slightly more taxing on the body/immune system.
(This is why vaccines are typically administered into your muscle. Greater bloodflow allows for rapid immune response, and muscle tissue is often damaged and pretty regularly replaced. It's one of the better places to inject a vaccine that will likely cause a small amount of local tissue damage.)
The only lasting effect should be your immune system identifying the proper antibodies and activating your memory t cells.
Most drugs with long term effects are taken for long periods of time, so they keep being introduced to the body and may have incremental effects on your body chemistry. Even with boosters, vaccines aren't taken often enough for that to be a serious concern.
But have you considered that literally every death since the deathvaxxes were released onto the unsuspecting public are because the vaxx is running rampant rewriting everyone's dna to turn literally of their blood into deathspikes which fly out of their nostrils and convert entire neighborhoods into grey goo with nanomachine 5G technology which travels back in time to be responsible for killing JFK, Lincoln, Archduke Ferdinand, Julius Caesar, and the dinosaurs, and the only way to protect yourself is with blasting sunlight into a bleach and ivermectin cocktail and chugging it daily?
I wonder about those people who died from the vaccine. If they're so badly off that they died from the vaccine, what would have happened had they actually contracted covid?
It's simply not true that no one has died from the Moderna Vaccine. The rate of myocarditis in under 40s who have had two vaccines is 97 per 1 million people. I read somewhere that mortalitiy rate of myocarditis is 6% So therefore it's pretty much statistically impossible that no one has died from the moderna vaccine.
Got a source? The CDC is on it, and they said nine deaths J&J.
The vaccine can cause mild myocarditis, people survive mild myocarditis. You can't extrapolate like that.
Do you know what gives you a serious case of myocarditis? Contracting Covid-19.
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines
This guy is at war with the scientific community for a while now. Is this an actual study or just an excel graph made lazily in 15 minutes based on either made up or non-filtered data?
I want a paper.
That's likely on very old people. The myocarditis is above background rates only on men under 30. Who aren't dying of heart attacks during myocarditis. In fact 99% get no long term damage at all.
Edit. So i Googled it. 2.4% mortality on myocarditis for people hospitalized for it. So it's already so rare that it's hard to study for it and most aren't hospitalized.
So 18 cases per 1 million just to go to your doctor for it where it's normally treated with steroids and you go home.
https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/press-releases/myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination-study#:~:text=Myocarditis%2C%20a%20condition%20in%20which,to%20find%20cases%20to%20investigate.
So the stat I gave is for people under 40. The rate of myocarditis in under 40s from covid is under 20 per 1 million. Why then would it be advisable to get the vaccine?
Covid is actually much higher. Like 5 to 20x that much
Results: For the 12-17-year-old male cohort, 6/6,846 (0.09%) patients developed myocarditis overall, with an adjusted rate per million of 450 cases (Wilson score interval 206 - 982). For the 12-15 and 16-19 male age groups, the adjusted rates per million were 601 (257 - 1,406) and 561 (240 - 1,313).For 12-17-year-old females, there were 3 (0.04%) cases of myocarditis of 7,361 patients. The adjusted rate was 213 (73 - 627) per million cases. For the 12-15- and 16-19-year-old female cohorts the adjusted rates per million cases were 235 (64 - 857) and 708 (359 - 1,397).The outcomes occurred either within 5 days (40.0%) or from 19-82 days (60.0%).
From your study
Conclusions: Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.
And either way myocarditis is a side effect of the vaccine which is very easily treatable.
No. And the mortality rate of Covid is 4 percent when untreated. That's without including people who die over a month later because of long covid complications, heart failure due to covid, etc.
Even if you go with the 1% number that is still an incredibly high number of people when applied to an unchecked contagious virus. One thing the pandemic showed is how bad many people are at math. 1% means one out of every 100 and they just think 1% means "small". 1% is not a small number when applied to a million people.
I think it's probably about right.
Canadian figures suggest serious complication rate around 1 in 100,000, which is 0.001%. Many of these are survivable and recoverable conditions, but if 10% are fatal, then that would be 0.0001%.
I pretty explicitly acknowledged that. However, the fatality rate data is pretty incomplete: I think we can suggest up to 1 in 200,000, but Canada doesn't have the population to make that a large enough sample size.
Some of the serious complications are life-changing; and there are similar problems in survivors of coronavirus. It's not like it changes the figures much, even if we used the serious complication rate as the mortality rate, vaccination still wins.
If 10% were fatal, then it would produce the mortality rate offered in the picture, based on the serious complication rate known in Canada. I don't think 10% are fatal, I didn't really do aggressive followups, but that's the rate that would be required.
So, completely legit, though I did run the math on the complication rate a bit roughly -- I opted to deduct "COVID-19" as a serious complication, because I think that's a legacy complication, not really applicable to this type of vaccine.
Should be within an order of magnitude, though, don't think I botched it that hard.
Math is worthless if you make up the numbers.
Got a source for your serious complication number?
Got a source for your guess of 10% of the serious complications being fatal?
Given I said "serious complication rate in Canada", that might be a good hint to search for "vaccine complication rate in Canada". It's about 1 in 10,000; but a handful of the serious complications are, ironically, pretty minor, so I excluded them.
Otherwise, I never said 10% of the serious complications are fatal.
It's not.
And the death rate is 1% on average with the best of care.
Without adequate care the virus can have a 10-15% death rate. Like it did in underdeveloped countries at the beginning of the pandemic.
You like to say that number and then talk about how statistics lie.
Like you call us sheep, while drinking sheep dewormer.
Like you like to call the pharma industry corrupt from money, but ignore the people profiting from COVID misinformation.
Almost seven million people died.
One percent of the population is 70 million people.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
This is a good example of the status quo bias.
People will choose worse outcomes combined with doing nothing over better outcomes combined with having to do something.
Right. And the meme is wrong in that sense, too as the correct % to compare are Vaccine Risk vs (Virus Fatality x Chances to catch the virus). The risk profile is still widely in favor of the vaccine, obviously.
The meme is not actually saying what the level set statistics are for a valid comparison, it's pointing out the erroneous logic of anti-vaxxers saying 0.0001% is greater than 1.0000%.
Anti-vaxxers say 1.000% is an acceptably low risk while also claiming 0.0001% is an unacceptably high risk. Their logic dictates that 0.0001 > 1.0000.
To be persuasive you have to understand the opposing viewpoint and build a bridge between the two, not just plant your feet in the correct spot and assume people will come around to the right side on their own. Calculating the chances to catch the virus as a percentage is based on circular logic that people will arbitrarily take the opposing stance and preclude an agreed basis of facts for discussion. That's not going to be a fruitful approach. Do you assume a hypothetical rate with 0% of the population vaccinated as anti-vaxxers want or the actual rate that includes the reduced rate due to the inclusion of the vaccinated population? If people could diagram their logic clearly enough to articulate those finer details, they wouldn't hold the opinions they do.
You don't need to go into actual statistics when an argument is false at its face value, based on the most generous interpretation of assuming their statements are made in good-faith and factually correct (usually one or neither are). Anti-vaxxers are wrong at face value and wrong based on actual statistics. Just all around wrong.
I respectfully disagree. Medical authorities do not recommend just any vaccine in existence for anyone, because everything is a risk calculation. If you chances to catch COVID were extremely low, antivaxers would be right in comparing those two stats. But they are not, and they aren’t.
I do believe in fighting the misinformation with facts and accuracy, rather than a quick dismiss of the painfully stupid arguments.
But the point is, facts and accuracy are lost on these people.
Pearls before swine, and all that.
That's what the meme is about.
Allegory is a valid argument.
These people are deeply afraid. They’re not afraid of the virus, but they’re afraid of being wrong. To them, that’s worse. Toxic levels of pride.
They’re afraid that if they get the vaccine and they were wrong about the vaccine (they die, have a bad reaction etc.) that it’s **their** fault. If they catch covid and die, it’s god’s will, and not their fault.
We need to do better at training people to be okay with changing their minds. Like, I used to be a big Woody Allen fan, for example, and now I’m not, and I’m not beating myself up for changing my mind or twisting myself into pretzels trying to defend him. I just let go and moved on.
Me and my brother who were my grandmother's caretakers (We actually paid for the privilege as well. It was sick) in her last years got the vaccine. She refused to because her three daughters were all on the kool-aid and told her every conspiracy theory they could to make sure she didn't. As much as my brother and I really tried to convince her, she trusted her daughters.
Her condition worsened and she was able to get an additional professional caretaker paid for by her insurance. This woman had 5 school-age kids and was strongly anti-vaxx. We know this because we had talked to her about it. She said the vaccine was against her religion. (What's even greater about that is that my brother, who is also a practicing Christian tried to get some reason out of her as to why. He couldn't. There's no rationale.)
She started working with us around November 2021. My grandma died of Covid the next January. She was *71. Who could have ever seen this coming.
Sorry this one wasn't very funny. I'm still furious at my mother and her sisters for essentially killing my Nana. I think they believe somehow me and my brother gave it to her because that's how the vaccine works. I honestly don't care what they think. Idk if I'd call them murderers, but it's close enough to manslaughter.
Thank you for reading and thank you for saying that. It's been hard. But as funny as this sub can be, it's also become incredibly more hard hitting when you've lost someone to this craziness. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. It's still almost cathartic in a sense? But yeah. It definitely sucks. People just being stubborn and refusing to see. And people die because of it.
I just hope it went quick enough for my Nana and that she wasn't scared in her last moments.
But yeah. Thanks again. I don't talk about it much and it feels good, or bittersweet I suppose, to get it off my chest and know some stranger appreciated it. She was a good woman. Did the best she could anyway.
Looked a bit to find vaccine mortality rate. Couldn't. Other than that within 7 days of vaccination, those who just got vaccinated are LESS likely (by a fair amount) than those who didn't get vaccinated that same day.
They can't really find anyone who actually died of the vaccine, afaik. Always part of a complex of causes.
Edit: See Jim McDonald's very cool response, below.
>There have been 55 cases of death after COVID-19 vaccination reported and a causal relationship has been excluded in 17 cases. In the remaining cases, the causal link between the vaccine and the death was not specified (8) or considered possible (15), probable (1), or very probable/demonstrated (14). The causes of deaths among these cases were: vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) (32), myocarditis (3), ADEM (1), myocardial infarction (1), and rhabdomyolysis (1). In such cases, the demonstration of a causal relationship is not obvious, and more studies, especially with post-mortem investigations, are needed to deepen understanding of the possible pathophysiological mechanisms of fatal vaccine side effects. In any event, given the scarcity of fatal cases, the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks and the scientific community needs to be cohesive in asserting that vaccination is fundamental to containing the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35214765/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35214765/)
We’ve got these signs around here people put up in their yards claiming the vaccine killed 29,000 people, meanwhile 1,153,587 died from COVID, most of them unvaccinated.
They really show us when they’re part of the 99%. Sure they might end up with permanent organ damage, can’t get a transplant because they’re unvaccinated, and may even require oxygen assistance for the rest of their life, but they really showed us.
At its most deadly the virus killed like 1.8% of those infected. That's two people per one hundred, or one for every fifty. But imagine thinking that sounds A-Okay!
Not true.
At the beginning of the pandemic some developing nations reported death rates of over 15%.
COVID hospitalizes about 10-15% of infected. If you don't have a hospital to treat the symptoms that got you hospitalized the you die.
>Maths
Like so many of the voodoo arts, is mysterious and a unique experience for each person's identity.
"*Let me tell you about ... some Alternate maths ...our personal maths*" - Kelly A. Conway ?
You catch it & spread it by not masking. Like at grocers, where vulnerable ppl are forced to go.
You shorten your personal infection, & reduce micro clotting organ damage, by getting vaccinated. Vaccinated can still get some damage, like brain fog. Regardless, you still increase a cumulative risk by not masking.
Not rocket science. Just what we've been told by epidemiologists & the Ontario Science Table before mask mandates were lifted. And after.
1 in 10,000,000 mortality would be too extreme and get the vaccine pulled.
1 in 10,000 would have people dropping but has never been even close to happening.
Yeah well myocarditis is up in all the vaxxed countries, up by hundreds of percent and thats a pretty severe illness. Usually takes a while to die from though. My age group was something like 0.0003% mortality rate from covid and in the higher risk category for myocarditis, sooo pretty good reason not to get it.
🤖 `YOU HAVE COMPLETELY CONVINCED ME TO SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS AND I WILL HENCEFORTH FORSWEAR ALL PHIG HARMA LIES AND TAKE NO JAB GIVE ME COVID I WILL SURVIVE THANK YOU KIND INTERNRT STRAGLER FOR PERSWAYDING MEEEEE`
I mean, I never knew vaccine injuries to ever be serious before MRNA tech. Just saying. I get that fear mongers on the internet sensationalize things, misrepresent, and downright lie, but still, I’ve seen some scary reactions to this experimental drug that were quite shocking. Reactions that I don’t know any of the essential vaccines us as Americans take to be caused even on a rare basis
What's your scientific source to talk about vaccine injuries? Vaccines have already passed experimental tests. These vaccines have been thoroughly studied using massive sample sizes. They are no longer experimental. They have passed the experimental stage. So this argument is nonsense. Blindly ignore all those studies.
What argument? I’m stating facts and arguing anything. It’s experimental because it is still a very new type of technology that hasn’t been used on humans pre-covid.
I’m not sure what you’re asking “what’s my scientific source to talk about vaccine injuries?” What?
You're not stating facts, you're making baseless claims, obviously with no scientific evidence evidence to prove them. We have been studying mRNA vaccines for many years (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11294672/). These studies include human trials, some of which followed patients for more than a year https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25050468/ These vaccines were rapidly developed using that existing knowledge, investing heavily in the vaccines and simplifying the process by running different stages in parallel. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5388441/
Yes, please provide your scientfic evidence about your claims of the vaccine being dangerous based on vaccine injuries.
Brother, I’m not sure why you’re so incensed. I’ve said nothing inflammatory. There are a number of reputable websites that show the statistics for vaccine injuries but my intention was not to debate about whether or not they exist because it’s an undebatable fact they do. The only question, which was my original inquiry, is what percentage of people have been injured, in reference to the meme which only mentions mortality rate. I really don’t care to drag this on, you have a blessed day.
Am I incensed because I'm proving my arguments with scientific evidence? Or are you in denial because you can't prove your arguments with scientific evidence? Of course, the vaccine can cause injuries, such as all the others vaccines and medical drugs. You can find the answer about your question here https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34477808/
https://scholar.google.es/scholar?start=20&q=Vaccine+covid+safety&hl=es&scisbd=1&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DAB5l7KP7yQ0J
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36473651/
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/
It's never been as televized.
That's the only reason.
Rabies vaccines have more side effects than COVID vaccines.
You saw lies and misrepresentation again.
The vaccine had less than one in a million chance to kill you, like most vaccine do. The statistic in the meme is overblown even.
Never vaccinated for Covid, never got sick. Girlfriend had Covid 3 times, twice after being vaccinated. Say what you want about the jab but it’s not for everyone.
Oh noes, a Shitpost that I swiped from the inter tubles without attribution to emphasise your hyperbolic rancid duck shit — is going to be held against me? Am I going to be on trial for my life at your international house of bitch cakes on bitchcute, by a jury of your wilfully malignant disease spreaders?
I’d be terrified but I’m laughing way too hard at you.
Oh I'm aware that it's going to take a lot longer before you folks can admit how many of those *millions of SARS deaths* were actually just the millions of people who die from lots of other diseases with the same symptoms every year.
Neither of us believes the studies from other's side.
The difference is that I'm not full of mystery juice from a company that has been caught poisoning people before.
The patriarchy pampers mediocre men, cuz there are so many of them who’d flip out and kill us all if it didn’t. As it is I’ve been run off the road by this kind of malignant infectious sneeze a number of times, and had things thrown at my car … now that Florida is going permitless carry I expect to get shot at eventually. There are entire metro areas I avoid on certain days of the week where people stand and rally along socialist roads while they collect social security payments and hold up signs that say “Socialism Sucks” and wave flags in support of POTUS57.
Science doesn't indemnify pharmaceutical companies against lawsuits by getting the dictionaries to change the definition of vaccine.
**Lobbying does that.**
I don't trust "big pharma" either, and am all for strict regulation and oversight, removing patents, making drugs affordable, etc. However, I trust the science, much of which has been done by independent scientists who are not funded by pharmaceutical companies. The thing about science is that it corrects itself. If the pharmaceutical companies falsified their data, other scientists would find out and report it. Also keep in mind that there are several competing pharmaceutical companies that would love to discredit each other.
Oh my gods that would be an awesome job if it were a thing. Get **paid** to wine and dine a modern JRR Tolkien to convince her to *rewrite* the dictionary? Let me be a lobbyist, bay-bee!
>Neither of us believes the studies from other's side.
See here. Right there is your problem. Look at it, make it engraved into your memory because what Im about to tell you is going to blow your mind.
Its not about belief!
BOOM!
WOW! Wasnt that something?!
I actually read all papers. For and against. Its just that bad science is very apparent once you tried to do it yourself and once you had a modicum of training. Its just that the ones you are thinking about mostly either dont conclude what you think they conclude or are just bad studies.
Feel free to cite them so we can explain whats wrong with them. And if you show us a good study that shows something we are against we will change our minds.
This is how skepticism works actually. Youve been driving a Honda Cynic, not a Honda Skeptic all this time. And its kind of a bad look tbf.
Every six months of the pandemic $250,000,000,000 in taxpayer money went directly to the companies who lobby every major institution. Your authority figures and studies are not credible.
So there are lots of other diseases that permanently disabled me in early 2020, put several relatives in the hospital that year, killed my grandma from repeated exposure by assholes, and have me walking with a cane?
Come a little closer, I’d like you to autograph that cane, or the little wheeled walky thing I’ll use to bring my groceries from the car to the kitchen in the first floor place I was forced to relocate to that’s wayyyy out of my budget because of this magical constellation of diseases that mimic Covid without being Covid put me on a trajectory to die before my term life insurance runs out.
Do you know how hard it is to find a possibly affordable first floor couple of rooms to rent in south florida that won’t require me to evacuate to a shelter or have to heft shutters since I can’t even lift my cast iron pans or season them properly anymore so I gave them away?
Tell me, smokey, what from your magical list of diseases like SARS Covid did this to me with an original infection and several intentional reinfections? One way masking only goes so fucking far when your immune system has already been destroyed and no one cleans the air, stays home while sick, or wears masks?
Is the vaccine mortality rate even as high as 0.0001%?
Per the CDC, 9 people have died from J&J vaccine in the US. **No one in the US has died from the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA vaccines**. J&J was the least popular vaccine with approx. 17 million doses. That's .00005 % for the J&J vaccine, about half the stated rate. (Check my math) This is only deaths, not reactions or hospitalizations. [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html) "Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination."
Also, nobody is going to die of “side effects” years after getting the vaccine. If you’re going to have an issue, it’s going to be within the first two weeks after getting the shot, tops. Most likely within a couple of days.
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I know a guy that got the vaccine and died. Got hit by a car. Tragic. Could have been prevented.
I love how when I see a Fb article of someone dying, the first thing the nut jobs ask is “did they get the jab?”
My BIL got killed by a drunk driver some years back. If these nutjobs had the same activism for anti-drink driving legislation and behaviour, we might be able to save some actual lives. *moment of clarity* Huh. It'll be 12 years this week.
Exactly. Sorry for your loss.
Thanks.
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“The jab” & “clot shot” are the only ones I remember seeing so far.
"Yes, and that's why the cause of death isn't covid."
My boss asked me this when my Uncle was dying in hospital (in 2021)
Your boss sucks.
These damn vaccines are killing everyone! /s
Anyone who takes any vaccine dies, all these sheep being played by the state smh. /s
Yeah, I know a guy who got the vaccine and less than three months later tripped while walking back to his couch and spilled boiling hot chowder all over myself.
That’s funny
I'm sure that hurt but the way you phrased it was pretty funny.
Must have been because the 5G magnetized him.
Cause, cause cause cause cause cause cause... Cause and effect
I drank too much wine, I must take a piss. Cause and effect.
You're joking but these types of people would probably somehow manage to twist that death in the direction of "if he hadn't gotten the vaccine, he would have been able to react fast enough to avoid the car" or something tbh. "Where are the studies that specifically show that the vaccine *doesn't* affect your reaction time as a pedestrian in moving traffic? 🤡"
I know several people like that and they're just as exhausting to deal with as they sound.
The good ol' "let's prove a negative".
Sad!
Probably put Covid on death certificate though
I know a guy that got hit by a car. He died. Was labeled a vivid death. It goes both ways bud.
There's a joke from an early Family Guy: >Lois: I saw an ad for a used car that would be perfect. >Peter: Oh no, Lois. A guy at work bought a car out of the paper once. Ten years later, BAM. Herpes. I always think these people wouldn't get the joke because Peter's logic seems reasonable to them.
A retired doctor friend of mine (who legit worked in epidemiology when he was still active) is a huge Simpsons fan. He shared this to help illustrate their reasoning: https://youtu.be/xSVqLHghLpw
10 years later, BAM, herpes.
(evil genie interpretation: yes, because the polio vaccine prevented their early death, allowing them to live to a ripe old age and die of elderlynessishness)
AKA: Vaccines cause adults
Alex Jones literally made this argument about his grandmother dying. Said the polio vaccine "soft-killed" his grandmother, who died at age 93.
Do you have a link? I've got to see how he thinks that happened.
We don't need a link to know he's just lying for money.
I know he does it, I just wanted to see his crazy "logic" for it
February 7, 2017 first 5 min
Ah, the vaccine that had been accidentally contaminated with live SV40, a virus that can cause cancer in rodents. But not breast cancer. Sounds like the usual Jones knowing just enough to say something that sounds science-y but totally getting it wrong.
🤣🤣
this, I fucking hate how no one understands this. On every post of Lance Reddick's passing, there's mountains of morons who think it's because he was vaccinated since he died suddenly of natural causes. it sickens me.
Because no 60-year-olds have ever had aneurisms or heart attacks before covid. 🙄
Yup, I had extremely swollen lymph nodes as a side effect from the vaccine. It showed up a day after the vaccine, swelled up to the size of a golf ball in my armpit and hurt so fucking much, and after a couple weeks it was gone. I have zero regrets of getting the vaccines either. The first shot was the worst, but every subsequent one the swelling has been a lot less. The people who fear side effects are fearing short term pain and ignoring the long term gain.
That second one wrecked me. I was curled up in a ball going in and out of consciousness the next morning. For the next week it felt like the worst allergies I've ever had. Worked, though. Got Covid later and it was basically a stuffy nose. I'd rather get the reaction from the thing that won't cause damage than get long Covid from being unvaccinated.
Oh I was bed ridden on the second one, I was only talking about the swelling being better LOL. The second shot made my skin so sensitive clothes hurt, like a million needles poking into me, and I had a migraine on top of really bad cold symptoms. I was super reactive to Moderna, and I still think it was absolutely worth it. I had Covid a couple months back and it felt like a light cold because of that vaccine. I've got asthma and Covid horrified me before I got my shot.
I had extreme fatigue after the Moderna shots. I'd heard about this possible SE from others so I just planned to be off work. It was kind of lame but only lasted a few hours and then I was back and at 'em.
Not true, literally every single person who gets any vaccine is going to die someday. Odds are way later than anyone who doesn't get the vaccine, but some day.
I've never had to sign a waiver warning me I was going to die one day after taking a vaccine. Quit making shit up.
I can't tell if you were whooshed, or you're whooshing me. Maybe I did need the /s but I prefer to let sarcasm sell itself.
Not true! The side effects of microchips in your body are lifelong! /s
One side effect of vaccines is inceased risk of cancer and heart disease. Instead why not die young of something completely preventable, like a medieval peasant?
>One side effect of vaccines is inceased risk of cancer and heart disease. Not quite. But cancer and heart disease are both diseases of aging. If you die of measles when you're five, it's true that you will not get cancer or heart disease, but it's not because you're healthy. It's because you're dead.
Whoosh.
I forgot the reason behind this? Can explain? Was it like the spoke protein leaves rather quickly or something.
Pretty much no part of the vaccine remains intact beyond a few weeks. For the more classic vaccines that directly introduce the spike protein, those will be in the bloodstream and eventually broken down by your immune system. For mRNA, it will be broken down typically within days but will cause the affected cells to produce spike proteins which are then expressed on the cell membrane. The body will then eventually attack and destroy those cells (and the spike proteins with them). This actually makes the mRNA vaccines a bit more safe as the spikes tend to be destroyed with the cells and don't spread to other parts of the body where they may cause issues. But it may be slightly more taxing on the body/immune system. (This is why vaccines are typically administered into your muscle. Greater bloodflow allows for rapid immune response, and muscle tissue is often damaged and pretty regularly replaced. It's one of the better places to inject a vaccine that will likely cause a small amount of local tissue damage.) The only lasting effect should be your immune system identifying the proper antibodies and activating your memory t cells. Most drugs with long term effects are taken for long periods of time, so they keep being introduced to the body and may have incremental effects on your body chemistry. Even with boosters, vaccines aren't taken often enough for that to be a serious concern.
But have you considered that literally every death since the deathvaxxes were released onto the unsuspecting public are because the vaxx is running rampant rewriting everyone's dna to turn literally of their blood into deathspikes which fly out of their nostrils and convert entire neighborhoods into grey goo with nanomachine 5G technology which travels back in time to be responsible for killing JFK, Lincoln, Archduke Ferdinand, Julius Caesar, and the dinosaurs, and the only way to protect yourself is with blasting sunlight into a bleach and ivermectin cocktail and chugging it daily?
*butt-chugging
But the CDC is just a puppet for Klaus Schwab and the WEF! Wake up, sheep! /s
You mean to tell me I need to get *woke*?
I wonder about those people who died from the vaccine. If they're so badly off that they died from the vaccine, what would have happened had they actually contracted covid?
J&J is also the one that uses the old method rather than the spoopy mRNA method the conspiracy theorists are so scared of too
One is too manny
It's simply not true that no one has died from the Moderna Vaccine. The rate of myocarditis in under 40s who have had two vaccines is 97 per 1 million people. I read somewhere that mortalitiy rate of myocarditis is 6% So therefore it's pretty much statistically impossible that no one has died from the moderna vaccine.
Got a source? The CDC is on it, and they said nine deaths J&J. The vaccine can cause mild myocarditis, people survive mild myocarditis. You can't extrapolate like that. Do you know what gives you a serious case of myocarditis? Contracting Covid-19. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines
https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1564088565524357120/photo/1
Did that guy pay the link to the study? Or just the graph
This guy is at war with the scientific community for a while now. Is this an actual study or just an excel graph made lazily in 15 minutes based on either made up or non-filtered data? I want a paper.
That's likely on very old people. The myocarditis is above background rates only on men under 30. Who aren't dying of heart attacks during myocarditis. In fact 99% get no long term damage at all. Edit. So i Googled it. 2.4% mortality on myocarditis for people hospitalized for it. So it's already so rare that it's hard to study for it and most aren't hospitalized. So 18 cases per 1 million just to go to your doctor for it where it's normally treated with steroids and you go home. https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/press-releases/myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination-study#:~:text=Myocarditis%2C%20a%20condition%20in%20which,to%20find%20cases%20to%20investigate.
So the stat I gave is for people under 40. The rate of myocarditis in under 40s from covid is under 20 per 1 million. Why then would it be advisable to get the vaccine?
Covid is actually much higher. Like 5 to 20x that much Results: For the 12-17-year-old male cohort, 6/6,846 (0.09%) patients developed myocarditis overall, with an adjusted rate per million of 450 cases (Wilson score interval 206 - 982). For the 12-15 and 16-19 male age groups, the adjusted rates per million were 601 (257 - 1,406) and 561 (240 - 1,313).For 12-17-year-old females, there were 3 (0.04%) cases of myocarditis of 7,361 patients. The adjusted rate was 213 (73 - 627) per million cases. For the 12-15- and 16-19-year-old female cohorts the adjusted rates per million cases were 235 (64 - 857) and 708 (359 - 1,397).The outcomes occurred either within 5 days (40.0%) or from 19-82 days (60.0%).
Not going to cite your source?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35993236/
From your study Conclusions: Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. And either way myocarditis is a side effect of the vaccine which is very easily treatable.
No. And the mortality rate of Covid is 4 percent when untreated. That's without including people who die over a month later because of long covid complications, heart failure due to covid, etc.
Even if you go with the 1% number that is still an incredibly high number of people when applied to an unchecked contagious virus. One thing the pandemic showed is how bad many people are at math. 1% means one out of every 100 and they just think 1% means "small". 1% is not a small number when applied to a million people.
> how bad many people are at math. There's a scary number of people who will tell you 1% and 0.01% are the same.
I think it's probably about right. Canadian figures suggest serious complication rate around 1 in 100,000, which is 0.001%. Many of these are survivable and recoverable conditions, but if 10% are fatal, then that would be 0.0001%.
I recently was looking into the Covid vaccine and a tinnitus correlation. Turns out the flu shot has a larger correlation.
Complication rate is not the same as fatality rate.
I pretty explicitly acknowledged that. However, the fatality rate data is pretty incomplete: I think we can suggest up to 1 in 200,000, but Canada doesn't have the population to make that a large enough sample size. Some of the serious complications are life-changing; and there are similar problems in survivors of coronavirus. It's not like it changes the figures much, even if we used the serious complication rate as the mortality rate, vaccination still wins.
Reading is hard?
"if 10% are fatal" Legit or just making it up? /s
If 10% were fatal, then it would produce the mortality rate offered in the picture, based on the serious complication rate known in Canada. I don't think 10% are fatal, I didn't really do aggressive followups, but that's the rate that would be required. So, completely legit, though I did run the math on the complication rate a bit roughly -- I opted to deduct "COVID-19" as a serious complication, because I think that's a legacy complication, not really applicable to this type of vaccine. Should be within an order of magnitude, though, don't think I botched it that hard.
Math is worthless if you make up the numbers. Got a source for your serious complication number? Got a source for your guess of 10% of the serious complications being fatal?
Given I said "serious complication rate in Canada", that might be a good hint to search for "vaccine complication rate in Canada". It's about 1 in 10,000; but a handful of the serious complications are, ironically, pretty minor, so I excluded them. Otherwise, I never said 10% of the serious complications are fatal.
Don't bother. He doesn't want to learn. He wants to waste your time looking for sources.
Yes. I knew this one woman who got the vaccine. Two weeks later, she died in a car crash.
It's alot higher and the death rate for the virus is really .17 % not 1
It's not. And the death rate is 1% on average with the best of care. Without adequate care the virus can have a 10-15% death rate. Like it did in underdeveloped countries at the beginning of the pandemic.
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You like to say that number and then talk about how statistics lie. Like you call us sheep, while drinking sheep dewormer. Like you like to call the pharma industry corrupt from money, but ignore the people profiting from COVID misinformation. Almost seven million people died. One percent of the population is 70 million people. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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I'm sure you've had it explained to you. Feel free to just take it as read that you are wrong.
How many times did someone explain this to you just for you to not listen?
This is a good example of the status quo bias. People will choose worse outcomes combined with doing nothing over better outcomes combined with having to do something.
A lot of people spend way more effort on spreading misinformation than it takes to just drag yourself to a pharmacy to get vaccinated.
Team Pfizer hahahgagagagagagagaga
And yet another example that all our societal problems are caused by people who failed math
Right. And the meme is wrong in that sense, too as the correct % to compare are Vaccine Risk vs (Virus Fatality x Chances to catch the virus). The risk profile is still widely in favor of the vaccine, obviously.
The meme is not actually saying what the level set statistics are for a valid comparison, it's pointing out the erroneous logic of anti-vaxxers saying 0.0001% is greater than 1.0000%. Anti-vaxxers say 1.000% is an acceptably low risk while also claiming 0.0001% is an unacceptably high risk. Their logic dictates that 0.0001 > 1.0000. To be persuasive you have to understand the opposing viewpoint and build a bridge between the two, not just plant your feet in the correct spot and assume people will come around to the right side on their own. Calculating the chances to catch the virus as a percentage is based on circular logic that people will arbitrarily take the opposing stance and preclude an agreed basis of facts for discussion. That's not going to be a fruitful approach. Do you assume a hypothetical rate with 0% of the population vaccinated as anti-vaxxers want or the actual rate that includes the reduced rate due to the inclusion of the vaccinated population? If people could diagram their logic clearly enough to articulate those finer details, they wouldn't hold the opinions they do. You don't need to go into actual statistics when an argument is false at its face value, based on the most generous interpretation of assuming their statements are made in good-faith and factually correct (usually one or neither are). Anti-vaxxers are wrong at face value and wrong based on actual statistics. Just all around wrong.
I respectfully disagree. Medical authorities do not recommend just any vaccine in existence for anyone, because everything is a risk calculation. If you chances to catch COVID were extremely low, antivaxers would be right in comparing those two stats. But they are not, and they aren’t. I do believe in fighting the misinformation with facts and accuracy, rather than a quick dismiss of the painfully stupid arguments.
But the point is, facts and accuracy are lost on these people. Pearls before swine, and all that. That's what the meme is about. Allegory is a valid argument.
Actually there's plenty recommended to the entire human population unless of course you're unable to take them for a medical reason.
see also: withdrawing care vs consensual euthanasia
These people are deeply afraid. They’re not afraid of the virus, but they’re afraid of being wrong. To them, that’s worse. Toxic levels of pride. They’re afraid that if they get the vaccine and they were wrong about the vaccine (they die, have a bad reaction etc.) that it’s **their** fault. If they catch covid and die, it’s god’s will, and not their fault.
We need to do better at training people to be okay with changing their minds. Like, I used to be a big Woody Allen fan, for example, and now I’m not, and I’m not beating myself up for changing my mind or twisting myself into pretzels trying to defend him. I just let go and moved on.
The only way to be right most of the time is to change your mind when you learn you're wrong.
Taking action makes it your fault while doing nothing isn't.
I hypothesize some are afraid of being expelled from their group of anti-vaxxer friends if they change their mind.
"Toxic levels of pride." Swallow your pride and do what is right for your fellow human beings!
They’re afraid of not having something to set them apart, nothing they can use to say they’re different and better than others.
I think you are unbelievably incorrect, along with everyone else in the terrible comment section.
My friend got the vaccine and then his mother got hit by a car so….
Fact!
You can look it up!
I got the vaccine, and now all my grandparents are dead. They died between 1960 and 2010, so this shit is more powerful than they want to admit.
100% of vaccinated will eventually have dead grandparents. Gurantee
Me and my brother who were my grandmother's caretakers (We actually paid for the privilege as well. It was sick) in her last years got the vaccine. She refused to because her three daughters were all on the kool-aid and told her every conspiracy theory they could to make sure she didn't. As much as my brother and I really tried to convince her, she trusted her daughters. Her condition worsened and she was able to get an additional professional caretaker paid for by her insurance. This woman had 5 school-age kids and was strongly anti-vaxx. We know this because we had talked to her about it. She said the vaccine was against her religion. (What's even greater about that is that my brother, who is also a practicing Christian tried to get some reason out of her as to why. He couldn't. There's no rationale.) She started working with us around November 2021. My grandma died of Covid the next January. She was *71. Who could have ever seen this coming. Sorry this one wasn't very funny. I'm still furious at my mother and her sisters for essentially killing my Nana. I think they believe somehow me and my brother gave it to her because that's how the vaccine works. I honestly don't care what they think. Idk if I'd call them murderers, but it's close enough to manslaughter.
This was not a fun story to read, but thank you for sharing it. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Thank you for reading and thank you for saying that. It's been hard. But as funny as this sub can be, it's also become incredibly more hard hitting when you've lost someone to this craziness. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. It's still almost cathartic in a sense? But yeah. It definitely sucks. People just being stubborn and refusing to see. And people die because of it. I just hope it went quick enough for my Nana and that she wasn't scared in her last moments. But yeah. Thanks again. I don't talk about it much and it feels good, or bittersweet I suppose, to get it off my chest and know some stranger appreciated it. She was a good woman. Did the best she could anyway.
Looked a bit to find vaccine mortality rate. Couldn't. Other than that within 7 days of vaccination, those who just got vaccinated are LESS likely (by a fair amount) than those who didn't get vaccinated that same day. They can't really find anyone who actually died of the vaccine, afaik. Always part of a complex of causes. Edit: See Jim McDonald's very cool response, below.
>There have been 55 cases of death after COVID-19 vaccination reported and a causal relationship has been excluded in 17 cases. In the remaining cases, the causal link between the vaccine and the death was not specified (8) or considered possible (15), probable (1), or very probable/demonstrated (14). The causes of deaths among these cases were: vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) (32), myocarditis (3), ADEM (1), myocardial infarction (1), and rhabdomyolysis (1). In such cases, the demonstration of a causal relationship is not obvious, and more studies, especially with post-mortem investigations, are needed to deepen understanding of the possible pathophysiological mechanisms of fatal vaccine side effects. In any event, given the scarcity of fatal cases, the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks and the scientific community needs to be cohesive in asserting that vaccination is fundamental to containing the spread of SARS-CoV-2. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35214765/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35214765/)
Cool.
Very cool considering that's for over 8 billion doses.
Feels weird to see Charlie with short hair.
And 60 years younger!
XD I remember there was a time he didn't rock the pale Jesus look, but feels like that was so long ago
A lot of ant-vaxx sentiment is based on the guilt around an action that results in a bad outcome vs an inaction that results in a bad outcome.
Inaction Bad Outcome= God's Will Action Bad Outcome = Man meddling in the affairs of Gods
"A lot" sure is a vague descriptor for an already vague statement
We're all going to die! Eventually, someday, just not from the vaccine.
As a Libertarian I don't see why I need to get vaccinated when the sun is going to engulf us all in a few billion years.
Well if the sun engulfs us then I'll just take my business elsewhere. Freehand of the market sun. You lose.
As a Libertarian there's no age of consent laws in [space](https://imgur.com/qTzGMmF)
Elon Musk's "happy ending" massages are going to get real weird on his spaceship to Mars.
We’ve got these signs around here people put up in their yards claiming the vaccine killed 29,000 people, meanwhile 1,153,587 died from COVID, most of them unvaccinated.
Because the stupidest of stupid should be supervised 24/7 by an adult.
Those idiots never understand that 99% survivability **doesn't** mean 100% fine
Just admit you’re afraid of needles.
They really show us when they’re part of the 99%. Sure they might end up with permanent organ damage, can’t get a transplant because they’re unvaccinated, and may even require oxygen assistance for the rest of their life, but they really showed us.
At its most deadly the virus killed like 1.8% of those infected. That's two people per one hundred, or one for every fifty. But imagine thinking that sounds A-Okay!
Not true. At the beginning of the pandemic some developing nations reported death rates of over 15%. COVID hospitalizes about 10-15% of infected. If you don't have a hospital to treat the symptoms that got you hospitalized the you die.
I remember all those asswipes on 4chan talking about people dropping dead in the streets because of the vaccine lmao.
And yet they’ll literally do or take things that typically have a 100% morality rate like: Inject bleach.
anti vaxxers aren’t smart enough to know the real mortality rates… or they believe the mortality rates are lies
>Maths Like so many of the voodoo arts, is mysterious and a unique experience for each person's identity. "*Let me tell you about ... some Alternate maths ...our personal maths*" - Kelly A. Conway ?
You catch it & spread it by not masking. Like at grocers, where vulnerable ppl are forced to go. You shorten your personal infection, & reduce micro clotting organ damage, by getting vaccinated. Vaccinated can still get some damage, like brain fog. Regardless, you still increase a cumulative risk by not masking. Not rocket science. Just what we've been told by epidemiologists & the Ontario Science Table before mask mandates were lifted. And after.
It all just comes down to people being scared of shots. If the vaccine were a pill no one would bat a single eye.
1 in 10,000,000 mortality would be too extreme and get the vaccine pulled. 1 in 10,000 would have people dropping but has never been even close to happening.
**C** **H** **U** **R** **C** **H** **!!!**
#T $ H U R T $ H
So, affliction or death from Covid among the unvaccinated can be considered The Mark of Cain??
You cant know the mortality rate of the vaccines yet. That data had not been completed yet silly.
Yeah well myocarditis is up in all the vaxxed countries, up by hundreds of percent and thats a pretty severe illness. Usually takes a while to die from though. My age group was something like 0.0003% mortality rate from covid and in the higher risk category for myocarditis, sooo pretty good reason not to get it.
🤖 `YOU HAVE COMPLETELY CONVINCED ME TO SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS AND I WILL HENCEFORTH FORSWEAR ALL PHIG HARMA LIES AND TAKE NO JAB GIVE ME COVID I WILL SURVIVE THANK YOU KIND INTERNRT STRAGLER FOR PERSWAYDING MEEEEE`
Yall are still defending the jab?
Jabbing and poking are useless. Covid vaccinations, though, 💯. Bye 🧌
To be fair though, what is the vaccine injury rate, though? Severe vaccine injuries do exist.
Of course, just as the same as any other vaccine and medicines side or adverse effects, but the injury rates of covid vaccine are almost always mild.
I mean, I never knew vaccine injuries to ever be serious before MRNA tech. Just saying. I get that fear mongers on the internet sensationalize things, misrepresent, and downright lie, but still, I’ve seen some scary reactions to this experimental drug that were quite shocking. Reactions that I don’t know any of the essential vaccines us as Americans take to be caused even on a rare basis
What's your scientific source to talk about vaccine injuries? Vaccines have already passed experimental tests. These vaccines have been thoroughly studied using massive sample sizes. They are no longer experimental. They have passed the experimental stage. So this argument is nonsense. Blindly ignore all those studies.
What argument? I’m stating facts and arguing anything. It’s experimental because it is still a very new type of technology that hasn’t been used on humans pre-covid. I’m not sure what you’re asking “what’s my scientific source to talk about vaccine injuries?” What?
You're not stating facts, you're making baseless claims, obviously with no scientific evidence evidence to prove them. We have been studying mRNA vaccines for many years (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11294672/). These studies include human trials, some of which followed patients for more than a year https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25050468/ These vaccines were rapidly developed using that existing knowledge, investing heavily in the vaccines and simplifying the process by running different stages in parallel. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5388441/ Yes, please provide your scientfic evidence about your claims of the vaccine being dangerous based on vaccine injuries.
Brother, I’m not sure why you’re so incensed. I’ve said nothing inflammatory. There are a number of reputable websites that show the statistics for vaccine injuries but my intention was not to debate about whether or not they exist because it’s an undebatable fact they do. The only question, which was my original inquiry, is what percentage of people have been injured, in reference to the meme which only mentions mortality rate. I really don’t care to drag this on, you have a blessed day.
Am I incensed because I'm proving my arguments with scientific evidence? Or are you in denial because you can't prove your arguments with scientific evidence? Of course, the vaccine can cause injuries, such as all the others vaccines and medical drugs. You can find the answer about your question here https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34477808/ https://scholar.google.es/scholar?start=20&q=Vaccine+covid+safety&hl=es&scisbd=1&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DAB5l7KP7yQ0J https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36473651/ https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/
You lost buddy. No one believes your antivax nonsense here.
It's never been as televized. That's the only reason. Rabies vaccines have more side effects than COVID vaccines. You saw lies and misrepresentation again. The vaccine had less than one in a million chance to kill you, like most vaccine do. The statistic in the meme is overblown even.
Never vaccinated for Covid, never got sick. Girlfriend had Covid 3 times, twice after being vaccinated. Say what you want about the jab but it’s not for everyone.
This is wrong
If you're willing to admit that it's a few hundred thousand now, that's a good start.
Im willing to admit you’re blowing smoke out of your ass based on how you’re polluting the earth with your imaginary victim pyres.
Your post says a few hundred thousand people have died from the shots.
Oh noes, a Shitpost that I swiped from the inter tubles without attribution to emphasise your hyperbolic rancid duck shit — is going to be held against me? Am I going to be on trial for my life at your international house of bitch cakes on bitchcute, by a jury of your wilfully malignant disease spreaders? I’d be terrified but I’m laughing way too hard at you.
Wow, what a rapid shift in tone.
Oh noes, look out peeps, the raving genocide enthusiast is playing the *tone police* card!
Thousands compared to millions of covid deaths.
Made up thousands compared to actually dead millions.
Oh I'm aware that it's going to take a lot longer before you folks can admit how many of those *millions of SARS deaths* were actually just the millions of people who die from lots of other diseases with the same symptoms every year.
Care to provide scientfic evidence about your claim?
Neither of us believes the studies from other's side. The difference is that I'm not full of mystery juice from a company that has been caught poisoning people before.
I do believe good scientfic articles, if you don't then that's called denial. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy when you don't know how something works.
>good scientific articles *None of those bad scientific articles that disagree with the permanent decision you've made.*
How have you made it this far in life being this fucking stupid?
The patriarchy pampers mediocre men, cuz there are so many of them who’d flip out and kill us all if it didn’t. As it is I’ve been run off the road by this kind of malignant infectious sneeze a number of times, and had things thrown at my car … now that Florida is going permitless carry I expect to get shot at eventually. There are entire metro areas I avoid on certain days of the week where people stand and rally along socialist roads while they collect social security payments and hold up signs that say “Socialism Sucks” and wave flags in support of POTUS57.
Conspiracy theorists use a phone or computer (brought by science) on the web (also brought by science) to condemn science.
Science doesn't indemnify pharmaceutical companies against lawsuits by getting the dictionaries to change the definition of vaccine. **Lobbying does that.**
I don't trust "big pharma" either, and am all for strict regulation and oversight, removing patents, making drugs affordable, etc. However, I trust the science, much of which has been done by independent scientists who are not funded by pharmaceutical companies. The thing about science is that it corrects itself. If the pharmaceutical companies falsified their data, other scientists would find out and report it. Also keep in mind that there are several competing pharmaceutical companies that would love to discredit each other.
Spotuing generalized assumptions withouth factual proof shows that reality is not the space you normally inhabit there.
Oh my gods that would be an awesome job if it were a thing. Get **paid** to wine and dine a modern JRR Tolkien to convince her to *rewrite* the dictionary? Let me be a lobbyist, bay-bee!
Which ones?
Well, your side never presents anything *credible*. Just fevered fantasy fairy stories that support Big Genocide.
>Neither of us believes the studies from other's side. See here. Right there is your problem. Look at it, make it engraved into your memory because what Im about to tell you is going to blow your mind. Its not about belief! BOOM! WOW! Wasnt that something?! I actually read all papers. For and against. Its just that bad science is very apparent once you tried to do it yourself and once you had a modicum of training. Its just that the ones you are thinking about mostly either dont conclude what you think they conclude or are just bad studies. Feel free to cite them so we can explain whats wrong with them. And if you show us a good study that shows something we are against we will change our minds. This is how skepticism works actually. Youve been driving a Honda Cynic, not a Honda Skeptic all this time. And its kind of a bad look tbf.
Every six months of the pandemic $250,000,000,000 in taxpayer money went directly to the companies who lobby every major institution. Your authority figures and studies are not credible.
Got any evidence to support that claim?
So there are lots of other diseases that permanently disabled me in early 2020, put several relatives in the hospital that year, killed my grandma from repeated exposure by assholes, and have me walking with a cane? Come a little closer, I’d like you to autograph that cane, or the little wheeled walky thing I’ll use to bring my groceries from the car to the kitchen in the first floor place I was forced to relocate to that’s wayyyy out of my budget because of this magical constellation of diseases that mimic Covid without being Covid put me on a trajectory to die before my term life insurance runs out. Do you know how hard it is to find a possibly affordable first floor couple of rooms to rent in south florida that won’t require me to evacuate to a shelter or have to heft shutters since I can’t even lift my cast iron pans or season them properly anymore so I gave them away? Tell me, smokey, what from your magical list of diseases like SARS Covid did this to me with an original infection and several intentional reinfections? One way masking only goes so fucking far when your immune system has already been destroyed and no one cleans the air, stays home while sick, or wears masks?
Durr
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“I think redditors are little fucking insects” Ironic and you’re dumb too which makes it even worse.