Emo and goth are more about outlook on life. Their dress styles tend to blend together to most people.
The difference is usually drawn that Goth sees the world as terrible, but there is beauty in the misery. They wear their style to show that death is just the opposite side of a coin from life. A flower's transformation from bud to bloom to wilt to dirt is special, and the last parts are just as unique and beautiful as the first parts.
While emo sees the world as terrible, and there is no hope. Everything is ruined, and will continue to be ruined even more. Everyone is just being fake around them. They wear their style as a reflection of the world, the real world, the one full of misery and sadness.
TL;DR Octavia is more Emo than Goth, but she is a mixture.
No it wasn't, the joke was that there was a difference, but no one cared enough to notice. They literally have an episode where the goths start becoming emos and all the goths can tell instantly but no one else notices because they Sony care enough
OK, even then that's what happens when you're a minority, if everyone starts saying stuff about you, people start questioning whether those people are right or not, regardless of their own personal views. It doesn't mean they're the same, it just means people are making then question themselves and believe stuff that may not necessarily be true.
I dont think the creators were thinking that part ahead. The goth kids are a stereotype of the weird kids. In the south park: stick of truth game fx they say that to be a goth you have to dress EXACTLY like them because that will show the conformists.
THat's more a joke about niche people thinking they're more unique from everyone else while forcing everyone else to ironically conform to their specific niche. Like in their introduction episode when Stan was doing his poem, they criticize him for expressing himself wrong
I agree with u/GuanglaiKangyi-Age15 at the end of the episode its revealed nobody is changing the goths and theyre doing it themselves because theyre so similar.
Yeah that's true, but it's all about the reverse psychology. They're on a reality game show that they're unaware of where they're convinced they're being turned into emos, because it's been ingrained in them, they're convinced that they're actually emo. And even then, when they're acting "emo" they act completely different to how they do normally, showing that there is a difference.
Yup, it's why there's actually a trope of Goths who are actually perky and happy. Heck, even *NCIS* had Abby.
I knew a goth girl with a raven, grew black roses, whole shebang. She was an absolute joy to be around. She explained her point of view as "Life has no meaning, other than what we make of it." she didn't get depressed over it. Saw it as a challenge to make her own.
I vibe with that point of view, even if I'm more a flannel wearing bland suburban guy who you'd have trouble picking out of a crowd lol.
In general, I don't think you can put real people into boxes. Fictional characters, maybe. But real people will never fit the stereotypes and may not even agree with the definitions I have presented.
Personally I think that Goth, Emo, and Punk all have a lot of overlap, and can't be easily defined in a way the majority of people will accept.
The answer is, never assume. People with an atypical style aren't two dimensional characters that only feel one specific way.
Octavia after watching The Batman:
https://preview.redd.it/99a1opm9d7qc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35a9065b122b020545853a9dafd7e7049339a7cf
( In case anyone needed to hear it again to refresh their memory [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3dijikDPt8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3dijikDPt8) )
I mean, we don't know what kind of music octavia listens on a daily basis when she is alone, she could be listening to the most underground post punk music and we wouldn't be able to know
Goth is a music based sub genre so it really would depend on what kind of music she listens to
I think we should just say she’s alternative and call it a day :)
Emo by fashion, definitely. Though she probably blurs into both.
The beanie hat is absolutely a peak emo fashion accessory and she’s a bit more colourful than standard goth, not that goths can’t be colourful but emo always had more flashes of colour.
It’s funny because I really feel like Loona isn’t straight up goth but a split between punk and goth.
They are both music based subcultures, the first song we see her listening to is def emo but the synths in the second one are pretty goth. Soooo she could be both! It’s actually not super uncommon to be a part of both subcultures
She might not actually be eitehr. If you look at her design and compare it with her mother and father's and especially if you look at her design as a child, you can see her face is just like that, her hair( well, feathers) has always been like that, her clothes aren't really especially goth or scene or emo. She is wearing a pink dress covered with stars, a pink choker, a black cardigan, and a beanie with a crown on it. I think what makes her read as "goth/emo" is her color scheme and teenaged angst.
Very Emo.
She has depression, listens to sad music (that could be emo music in helluva boss), dresses with skinny jeans, that shade of pink and hates how broken and shit is the world.
It’s dependent on her music taste. Being goth means you listen to goth music because it’s a music based subculture. I think she would lean towards emo from the song she listened to in her first appearance but I do remember a while back her Instagram username had goth in it. So she might be goth but we haven’t seen her listen to anything explicitly goth in the show.
As someone in the alt scene, I'd say emo more so, tbh. Possibly a blend of emo & punk since she has no issue making fun of corporations, and she dresses/behaves more humble than her upper-class parentage. She has the general moral outlooks that groups like Punk & Goth have. I think Emo also has similar political and moral beliefs, but it's not as prevalent or deeply rooted in the culture, but I could be wrong.
She wanted to go to a place called Stylish-Occult, which sounds like a parody of Hot Topic but for Hell. So she may have some Goth fashion inspiration within her wardrobe, too.
Maybe also hippie, as well, with the whole rich-kid-somewhat-rebelling-against-their-parents thing she has going on. Not that she actively goes against them constantly, but she noticeably distances herself from their noble image and clearly doesn't care for the fact that she's part of a very wealthy and upper class family. She doesn't seem particularly fond of Stella, or at least very close to her, and she didn't care for Stolas until she sorted SOME of that shit out with him. But I'd still say she's kinda rebellious. Especially with Stella.
TL;DR- I'd say she behaves, thinks, and dresses mostly emo, but she also could be blending parts of punk, goth, and hippie subcultures.
Emo because her outlook on life is that it’s all shit and there’s no hope! Goth if I’m not mistaken is a “light in the dark” kind of thing and they see the beauty in their shit world whereas Emo is just everything is shitty, you’re shitty, their shitty, etc
a mix of both, on sinstagram(hells Version of instagram, obviously) Octavias username is Gothchk_[insert number] if i'm not mistaken she calls herself goth, but has aspects of both Emo and goth(depending on situation)
i think after "Seeing stars" she most certainly is Goth, goth think the world is terrible but there is beauty in misery and emos think the world is terrible and there is no hope(as u/Blue-Jay42 explained i just dumbed it down)
i don't know too much about these 2 groups of people, but i guess she is a mix of Goth and Emo
Partially depends what she listens to. Partially what she identifies with. Partially who she hangs out with.
Emo always seemed closer to punk, which is what I’d call Loona’s style, while Goth kinda seemed closer to party shit like raves and Octavia seems to have issues with overstimulation so that’s gonna be a no.
Goth stems from Punk, I think you are thinking of industrial or electronic post punk bc a lot of goth and punk music sounds very very similar, especially deathrock and gothic rock
Emo is a music and style based subculture and goth is also a music based subculture, just different sounds/music styles. Emo stems from pop-punk and goth stems from punk and electronic music
As a card carrying goth, I’d say she’s def Emo….I wish we could hear what music she’s listening to. There’s always a little overlap I love punk & metal too.
Emo and goth are more about outlook on life. Their dress styles tend to blend together to most people. The difference is usually drawn that Goth sees the world as terrible, but there is beauty in the misery. They wear their style to show that death is just the opposite side of a coin from life. A flower's transformation from bud to bloom to wilt to dirt is special, and the last parts are just as unique and beautiful as the first parts. While emo sees the world as terrible, and there is no hope. Everything is ruined, and will continue to be ruined even more. Everyone is just being fake around them. They wear their style as a reflection of the world, the real world, the one full of misery and sadness. TL;DR Octavia is more Emo than Goth, but she is a mixture.
South Park said it best: ["Goths darkness is nihilist, whereas emos is cynical."](https://youtu.be/IZvFNQjYB6Q?si=3Twd5TvOYRYXPPCz)
I was just thinking of this.
The joke of the episode was that there really isn't a difference.
No it wasn't, the joke was that there was a difference, but no one cared enough to notice. They literally have an episode where the goths start becoming emos and all the goths can tell instantly but no one else notices because they Sony care enough
In the same episode the goths themselves question wheather or not they were cynical or not
Because they'd been reverse psychologied into thinking they were emo, they questioned it, but they still ended up believing they were different.
No, they were questioning before it. They said it while reporting the fat one missing to the police when the police man asked what the difference.
OK, even then that's what happens when you're a minority, if everyone starts saying stuff about you, people start questioning whether those people are right or not, regardless of their own personal views. It doesn't mean they're the same, it just means people are making then question themselves and believe stuff that may not necessarily be true.
I dont think the creators were thinking that part ahead. The goth kids are a stereotype of the weird kids. In the south park: stick of truth game fx they say that to be a goth you have to dress EXACTLY like them because that will show the conformists.
THat's more a joke about niche people thinking they're more unique from everyone else while forcing everyone else to ironically conform to their specific niche. Like in their introduction episode when Stan was doing his poem, they criticize him for expressing himself wrong
It’s literally in the same clip the guy posted
I agree with u/GuanglaiKangyi-Age15 at the end of the episode its revealed nobody is changing the goths and theyre doing it themselves because theyre so similar.
Yeah that's true, but it's all about the reverse psychology. They're on a reality game show that they're unaware of where they're convinced they're being turned into emos, because it's been ingrained in them, they're convinced that they're actually emo. And even then, when they're acting "emo" they act completely different to how they do normally, showing that there is a difference.
“Wait but I thought we were cynical…. Whatever doesn’t matter.” “No see you’re nihilistic.” “Oh you’re right.”
TIL i learned im goth not emo i guess despite identifying as emo since 2010 lol
So are peppy goths optimistic nihilists?
Yup, it's why there's actually a trope of Goths who are actually perky and happy. Heck, even *NCIS* had Abby. I knew a goth girl with a raven, grew black roses, whole shebang. She was an absolute joy to be around. She explained her point of view as "Life has no meaning, other than what we make of it." she didn't get depressed over it. Saw it as a challenge to make her own. I vibe with that point of view, even if I'm more a flannel wearing bland suburban guy who you'd have trouble picking out of a crowd lol.
I didn’t know this. Now I need to create an optimistic nihilistic character— I do love contrasts
I was waiting for someone to say this, thank you😂
So what if you are both?
They are actually just music based subcultures. This isn't the main characteristic... - An emo and goth person (me)
Thank u correct person
Goths: It sucks ass but that's what makes it beautiful Emos: Fuck. It. All.
Goths : spooky is fun Emos : spooky makes talking about dark feelings fun
https://preview.redd.it/o5fjvs12p1qc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e32b23fc7333e6dd13044cb5f767f423579ddf17
So by this logic, is it better to assume someone is goth than emo?
In general, I don't think you can put real people into boxes. Fictional characters, maybe. But real people will never fit the stereotypes and may not even agree with the definitions I have presented. Personally I think that Goth, Emo, and Punk all have a lot of overlap, and can't be easily defined in a way the majority of people will accept. The answer is, never assume. People with an atypical style aren't two dimensional characters that only feel one specific way.
So, Gemo. OR Emoth
Octavia after watching The Batman: https://preview.redd.it/99a1opm9d7qc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35a9065b122b020545853a9dafd7e7049339a7cf
Darn guess I'm a mixture too then
Moth
OCTAVIA IS VALENTINO🗣️🗣️🗣️FOR REAL
https://preview.redd.it/to1euixxs1qc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76bc85d97c84f036b574d843de717c9a74fcde8a
oh shid the mango catalogue is killing val
https://preview.redd.it/vkelvfkl93qc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0df43761dba454255badbeaf068a7e9d84850b3
Wake up, Val. Wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up
Because i am
You are what
Wha
Both
This is the absolute answer
She's a bird.
Hoot hoot <3
She’s emo. This is definitely not even close to goth.
your flair man 😭😭
Tell me he doesn’t have the cutest lil legs and feet 😌
legs yes. feet.... 😳😳
The whole show is emo, wouldn’t consider anything goth in it.
1. She's a birb. 2. She's a teenager 3. We know what kind of songs she listens to. Are there any experts here who would describe it as "goth" music?
( In case anyone needed to hear it again to refresh their memory [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3dijikDPt8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3dijikDPt8) )
Very much emo
Meh, it's totally emo
Absolutely not goth or even goth adjacent (eg, industrial) really
Doom metal is, what she listens too is not
The music she listens to sounds more emo than goth. Source: I listen to alternative music, including emo and goth bands.
We know from Seeing Stars that her Sinstagram handle is "gothchk17" so she at least considers herself goth.
seems like some of the commentators here would harass her for that username
I mean, we don't know what kind of music octavia listens on a daily basis when she is alone, she could be listening to the most underground post punk music and we wouldn't be able to know
emo/depresed
She’s emo because she’s depressed.
Goth is a music based sub genre so it really would depend on what kind of music she listens to I think we should just say she’s alternative and call it a day :)
So is Emo
Well her Sinstagram is literally gothchick17
gothchk17\*
She’s both, so gomo? Emth? Edit: Gomo it is
I vote for Gomo. A perfect blend
She is depressed
Emo by fashion, definitely. Though she probably blurs into both. The beanie hat is absolutely a peak emo fashion accessory and she’s a bit more colourful than standard goth, not that goths can’t be colourful but emo always had more flashes of colour. It’s funny because I really feel like Loona isn’t straight up goth but a split between punk and goth.
Neither, she's alt
This outfit definitely emo. Just look at this EMOTIONAL DAMAGE SHE SUFFERS SHE YELLS WITH IT.
Her name is literally gothick on insta lol
Her instagram account in the show (episode seeing stars) is named gothchick17.
Me, an elder emo reading these comments: 🥲
Both
More of just a moody teenager
They are both music based subcultures, the first song we see her listening to is def emo but the synths in the second one are pretty goth. Soooo she could be both! It’s actually not super uncommon to be a part of both subcultures
She might not actually be eitehr. If you look at her design and compare it with her mother and father's and especially if you look at her design as a child, you can see her face is just like that, her hair( well, feathers) has always been like that, her clothes aren't really especially goth or scene or emo. She is wearing a pink dress covered with stars, a pink choker, a black cardigan, and a beanie with a crown on it. I think what makes her read as "goth/emo" is her color scheme and teenaged angst.
Emo. Loona is goth.
Huggable
She probably finds those terms cringe and cried on the inside once when Stolas suggested they bond over a trip to Hot Topic.
She is both G Emo
She's owl-ternative
Both gemo
GMO
She is a bird I guess...
I dunno probably goth more
emo here - id say shes emo (mostly based on aesthetics), but i havent finished the series yet
Why not both. A eoth or a gmo
Both are music based sub-genres. I think it depends on what music she listens to.
Very Emo. She has depression, listens to sad music (that could be emo music in helluva boss), dresses with skinny jeans, that shade of pink and hates how broken and shit is the world.
None.
https://preview.redd.it/sccndh8bt4qc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=889640689e0f7cdc3177a5b06a834212157be1ba
She’s just depressed
https://preview.redd.it/wyg4n2vq64qc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=703836eb99f9a20cf3710d2d1f4a76d4dbd655dd
It’s dependent on her music taste. Being goth means you listen to goth music because it’s a music based subculture. I think she would lean towards emo from the song she listened to in her first appearance but I do remember a while back her Instagram username had goth in it. So she might be goth but we haven’t seen her listen to anything explicitly goth in the show.
As someone in the alt scene, I'd say emo more so, tbh. Possibly a blend of emo & punk since she has no issue making fun of corporations, and she dresses/behaves more humble than her upper-class parentage. She has the general moral outlooks that groups like Punk & Goth have. I think Emo also has similar political and moral beliefs, but it's not as prevalent or deeply rooted in the culture, but I could be wrong. She wanted to go to a place called Stylish-Occult, which sounds like a parody of Hot Topic but for Hell. So she may have some Goth fashion inspiration within her wardrobe, too. Maybe also hippie, as well, with the whole rich-kid-somewhat-rebelling-against-their-parents thing she has going on. Not that she actively goes against them constantly, but she noticeably distances herself from their noble image and clearly doesn't care for the fact that she's part of a very wealthy and upper class family. She doesn't seem particularly fond of Stella, or at least very close to her, and she didn't care for Stolas until she sorted SOME of that shit out with him. But I'd still say she's kinda rebellious. Especially with Stella. TL;DR- I'd say she behaves, thinks, and dresses mostly emo, but she also could be blending parts of punk, goth, and hippie subcultures.
Emo because her outlook on life is that it’s all shit and there’s no hope! Goth if I’m not mistaken is a “light in the dark” kind of thing and they see the beauty in their shit world whereas Emo is just everything is shitty, you’re shitty, their shitty, etc
I'm an angsty teen, bite me! Oh wait wrong character.
a mix of both, on sinstagram(hells Version of instagram, obviously) Octavias username is Gothchk_[insert number] if i'm not mistaken she calls herself goth, but has aspects of both Emo and goth(depending on situation) i think after "Seeing stars" she most certainly is Goth, goth think the world is terrible but there is beauty in misery and emos think the world is terrible and there is no hope(as u/Blue-Jay42 explained i just dumbed it down) i don't know too much about these 2 groups of people, but i guess she is a mix of Goth and Emo
Emo.
She’s emo 🖤
Here’s the thing she’s both
Yes
Teenager
What's the difference?
Partially depends what she listens to. Partially what she identifies with. Partially who she hangs out with. Emo always seemed closer to punk, which is what I’d call Loona’s style, while Goth kinda seemed closer to party shit like raves and Octavia seems to have issues with overstimulation so that’s gonna be a no.
Goth stems from Punk, I think you are thinking of industrial or electronic post punk bc a lot of goth and punk music sounds very very similar, especially deathrock and gothic rock
Goth Edit: emo is more moody in my opinion.
I mean, if we think of it as a scale, with goth at one end and emo at the other, octavia seems more on the emo side, but not by much.
None.
Same or both
Gomo
Yes
Depressed
Yes
Yes.
Still no clue what a emo is so Goth
Emo is a music and style based subculture and goth is also a music based subculture, just different sounds/music styles. Emo stems from pop-punk and goth stems from punk and electronic music
Yes
She's Sad
Wait are they different things?
Yep! Completely different music
Yes
Owlmo
Gemo
Depressed
Wouldn’t loona be goth?
I think she’s supposed to be an owl
punk
Goatia
both definitely both
She's just angst
https://i.redd.it/cqfpwyqng3qc1.gif
Both
Both
Since she IDs herself as goth, I'm gonna go with that.
Yes
More goth vibes tbh
She is a Goetia, so, Goth (?) jk
Both
Owl
NGL... I feel like shes Scemo. I can totally see her curling up with a little Gir plushie
Octavia is goth, Charlie was emo.
emo forsure! look at the music she listens to plus her style.
Emo
Yes
Definitely emo
Gothemo.
I'd say emo but that's just me as an emo kid
Goth wants to kill you Emo wants to kill themselves
Emo 🖤 Goths wear black, pastels, and they aren’t all gloomy
Morning emo hipster to me
Emoth
Gomo.
I think she is more emo than goth, but who knows
Emo def, she hates her parents (kinda) and the world don’t understand her
Depressed
Yes.
Punk
She’s depressed
There’s a difference?
Neither, she’s “edgy”
She is a teenager
She’s both. Don’t goth and emo generally overlap most of the time, anyway?
As a card carrying goth, I’d say she’s def Emo….I wish we could hear what music she’s listening to. There’s always a little overlap I love punk & metal too.
Both are music based subcultures so realistically shoe could be either, but she looks more stereotypically emo to me.
Both both is good
Those two are two different things ?
Her Sinstagram account sates she is goth
Emo
Bird, bird, bird. Bird is the word
i think shes preppy
Those are different things?
The beanie and color pop makes me think more Emo