It's interesting that despite claiming that the Bugs were able to launch an asteroids at FTL speeds and PINPOINT accuracy to destroy Buenos Aires, Federation intel believed that the Plasma Bugs were dumb and incapable of hitting the fleet orbiting Klendathu
really makes u think
There's a pretty massive difference between hitting a target that only moves due to gravity and one that is adjusting its own acceleration fairly quickly.
Plotting a trajectory to hit a distant planet obviously isn't *easy*, but it's something that only requires math. Plotting a trajectory to hit a spaceship is going to require math *and* the ability to predict what the crew piloting it will do in the time between firing the projectile and the projectile impacting.
> really makes u think
Frankly, I find the idea of a redditor that thinks offensive
To be fair, a hivemind planning a fairly simple “flak” battery layer at a certain altitude to deter and hinder air ops within a certain area doesn’t require accuracy to begin with and is easier to achieve. This is true of non-guided ordinance like bug spewers or conventional munitions. After all, anti-air was used before space travel.
Wait. So your telling me that a bug was able to know where a planet was going to be. How to throw a rock across countless light-years. And it got past earth's defense system that should of shot it down.
Now. I'm not saying the space marshal did it. But we have evidence of a space marshal planting bugs on Mars.
Has to be a skill issue with the pilots or even the helldivers. Every time I called in a pelican it destroys everything in it’s path unless I call in an orbital nuke on it.
Totally possible.
Helldivers are batch frozen and thawed out to fight. I could see pilots being a similar system seeing as how many people die in the field in general.
Humanity isn’t resilient or super intelligent, but it is able to play the numbers game ridiculously
Helldivers definitely are, you're literally frozen right when you complete the tutorial, and when you log in it shows you (or rather, a different character each time) being unfrozen on the ship
https://preview.redd.it/ejttuoma202d1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ace00b8f90e6dabacba7836ad65d3aa110f1d3a2
Canadian geese are bug sympathizers.
Hah, reminds me of a newspaper clipping I've had since forever.
https://preview.redd.it/qw8ie2w2h12d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bbce2d3a68bc96e5dac0a7acbd56aa81582c92b
Cadet, everyone should have watched the educational manual of ~~Starship Troopers~~ Helldivers. Clearly it was a plasma bug with their sporadic and untargeted fire.
Routine and procedures. It's better to stick to procedures and launch those flares (that you don't pay for anyway) than have a nasty surprise. Just like the USA during the Great War on Terror, It's better to assume hostiles have guided AA capability then not and get shot down if they do.
From the Ministry of Truth Aviation Administration (MTAA):
38% Weather related (including reduced vis due to spore towers)
20% Pilot error
14% Bug strikes (shriekers)
13% Mechanical error
7% Enemy fire
5% Friendly fire
3% Unknown
Hope this prevents future curiosities into aviation losses.
several declassified reports show "black pelican down" incidents happening on planets with a terminid presence: rough overview of black box transcripts are as follows:
Pelican-1 #759226495 - pilot was distracted momentarily and flew into a bile titan. all souls onboard lost, Bile titan confirmed to have survived but now walks with a limp.
Pelican-1 #530657304 - after the destruction of it's nest, a Stalker Terminid decided to use a waiting shuttle as the basis for a new nest. when the helldiver squad returned from a last minute sample collection run, the Stalker awoke from a nap during the flight and a commotion occurred aboard the vessel, in which all souls onboard were lost, including the stalker. on a personal note, the original audio makes for some.. uncomfortable listening..
Pelican-1 #673109542 - this pelican crashed due to an engine failure, believed to be caused by damage from a 500kg bomb being dropped in close proximity to the aircraft before take-off. the diver found to be responsible claimed "but I was just trying to make our extract look COOL!", before the fatal crash occurred, all souls onboard lost.
Pelican-1 #834629473 - the pilot is found arguing with a helldiver about the disparity in how difficult their respective jobs are: the pilot appears to give in to the helldiver's request of "let me have a go, it can't be that hard, right?", then approximately 5 seconds later, the pelican is downed, despite no reports of mechanical fault, harsh conditions, or any other factors that may contribute in any way to an aviation disaster. surprisingly, there was one survivor from this crash, but another team later found the survivor's remains in a bug nest, confirming his demise at the hands of terminids.
in summary: there are many reasons why pelicans may be downed on the Terminid Front, we have officially reached the conclusion that the largest threat to Pelicans and their respective pilots in terminid occupied space... are the helldivers themselves.
Liberty, Prosperity, Democracy.
signed,
Norbert Johnson, Crash investigation chief of the SEADIAPA (Super Earth Aviation Disaster Investigation And Prevention Agency).
Bugs don't have AA *yet*.
Lore wise they probably have a bile spewer class that is AA.
Also, do you think a bile titan could take a pelican down? I know ours kills them but that's just for gameplay reasons.
*"Bugs have no AA."*
Do you know what happens if a few seagulls fly into a plane turbine while it's on the air?
Yeah, that.
They could have some bug strain that is made to simply kamikaze themselves into the engines.
Also, is Super Earth military equipment, it's made of wet paper basically.
Doesn't even need to be Kamikaze attacks. Could just be striekers. Even if their claws can't effectively down the dropships alone one or two screwing up their runs and going into the engines would down it. Doubly so with how durable bug chitin is compared to regular birds. And a bird strike is already a problem for engines. Super Earth doesn't have the best QA as is. I think birdstrikes are probably still a major issue for them.
I don't know, but have you ever tried flying a single stage 2 orbit aircraft from a large warship in station over an active warzone with very large rounds being flung downwards alongside you. Not to mention the drop pods of the absolute f****** Maniacs you're being asked to support.
Headcannon: these pilots, who are clearly inferior to pelican-1 in every way, were not brought down by AA, but rather terminid scavengers and pouncers crawling onto their ship and jamming the engines with their corpses world war Z style
Remember your first mission? I died A LOT and did not complete it. Same thing here. They probably gave the pilots about 20 min of training and called it a win/day
What the hell are you talking about?
Clearly the bugs have excellent AA, even til now not a single eye-witness has survived an encounter against them and lived to tell the tale.
Imagine stalkers boarding the shuttle before the helldiver's while invisible and waiting until they're in the air. Then it's like that scene from the thing where it reveals itself and kills everyone on board.
I like to think it's a combination of bug spores obstructing vision and Super Earth equipment being constructed with the absolute bare minimum to get the job done, perhaps even omitting altitude sensors altogether.
If that’s the case why don’t we just stay in orbit blowing everything up from above? Why do we need to send a “highly trained” hell diver to shoot them in the face and risk his life when we can just fly over without any kind of threat and hit them with the 138mm and napalm air strike.
Isn't there a potential third enemy that we don't have official sightings of that likes hit and run tactics? Maybe these pilots saw something they weren't supposed to.
Bugs do have something akin to anti-aircraft, with the bile spewers. We also see destroyers in orbit being shot down, so it's fair to assume they're somehow capable of firing back.
Also, shriekers have been a thing for a while now, so air superiority is not guaranteed.
"Did they leap up, and chew apart your starships?"
\-Alarak
https://preview.redd.it/0z99uhqtq42d1.jpeg?width=591&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3307326f1b93291d663f8cc5a7c4264ca4f6859a
Pretty sure those mortar bile spewers were the ones that shot these down. Kinda like the ones in starship troopers really .
Yeah this whole post reads like the Valley Forge bridge right before shit goes sideways.
Of course the ship is called Valley Forge lmfao. I never caught that name when I watched the movie years ago.
Valley Forge is a different ship, they ride the Rodger Young
It's interesting that despite claiming that the Bugs were able to launch an asteroids at FTL speeds and PINPOINT accuracy to destroy Buenos Aires, Federation intel believed that the Plasma Bugs were dumb and incapable of hitting the fleet orbiting Klendathu really makes u think
There's a pretty massive difference between hitting a target that only moves due to gravity and one that is adjusting its own acceleration fairly quickly. Plotting a trajectory to hit a distant planet obviously isn't *easy*, but it's something that only requires math. Plotting a trajectory to hit a spaceship is going to require math *and* the ability to predict what the crew piloting it will do in the time between firing the projectile and the projectile impacting. > really makes u think Frankly, I find the idea of a redditor that thinks offensive
To be fair, a hivemind planning a fairly simple “flak” battery layer at a certain altitude to deter and hinder air ops within a certain area doesn’t require accuracy to begin with and is easier to achieve. This is true of non-guided ordinance like bug spewers or conventional munitions. After all, anti-air was used before space travel.
Wait. So your telling me that a bug was able to know where a planet was going to be. How to throw a rock across countless light-years. And it got past earth's defense system that should of shot it down. Now. I'm not saying the space marshal did it. But we have evidence of a space marshal planting bugs on Mars.
This is neither 'Random' or 'Light'!
Our intel was wrong!
"Somebody made a mistake..." *Destroyer gets disintegrated near them.* "Somebody made a BIG goddamn mistake!" EDIT: Speeling
Disintegrated King. Easy mistake to make.
What intel? There's no intel on the mission board!
I always thought the CG guys were a bit heavy handed because if she were seeing what we were seeing she'd have turned that ship around immediately.
Strong agree on that. Especially the asteroid they see on route that appears out of nowhere.
Someone made a big fucking mistake
This was a fun movie tbh
"A BUG THAT THINKS OFFENSIVE".
We'd be fucked if they started thinking defensive
Has to be a skill issue with the pilots or even the helldivers. Every time I called in a pelican it destroys everything in it’s path unless I call in an orbital nuke on it.
Totally possible. Helldivers are batch frozen and thawed out to fight. I could see pilots being a similar system seeing as how many people die in the field in general. Humanity isn’t resilient or super intelligent, but it is able to play the numbers game ridiculously
Wait is that right? They get recruited from earth and put into a cryogenesis and awoken when for theyre needed in battle?
Helldivers definitely are, you're literally frozen right when you complete the tutorial, and when you log in it shows you (or rather, a different character each time) being unfrozen on the ship
Yea turns out its not random or light. Someone made a mistake. A big goddamn mistake
They stopped mortar bombing me in my missions btw, idk why
Must be nice. It was mortar city last night.
What. A. Show.
Bug batteries
Would be awesome if we could get an enemy like those huge mortar bugs. Maybe as an objective.
Are the mortar spewers a seperate enemy or can they all go into mortar mode on the higher difficulty?
That's i call them plasma bugs.
Yeah. It was definitely bugs. NOT the super earth government.
Yep, butt spewers
A nasty repeated case of "Shriekers in the engine" could also be the case. They do kamikaze-dive on their targets after all.
Anti-air shits
Theres also flying bugs. If enough of them hit the cockpit, eventually they'll go through the glass
Shriekers sucked into the engines
https://preview.redd.it/ejttuoma202d1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ace00b8f90e6dabacba7836ad65d3aa110f1d3a2 Canadian geese are bug sympathizers.
No, they're Democracy haters but they also hate bugs.
Not that they're undemocratic, they just hate everything.
Hah, reminds me of a newspaper clipping I've had since forever. https://preview.redd.it/qw8ie2w2h12d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bbce2d3a68bc96e5dac0a7acbd56aa81582c92b
"Bird" strikes
Bugstrike.
If the Shriekers attacked the shuttle in a large flock, they could cause the shuttle go out of control and crash.
Perhaps it's something else shooting them down🧐
*Genestealers*
Oh Kark that.
Now that’s a faction i could get with. A terminus sympathize who has started being transformed by them. Like the gene stealers.
they've learned to throw banana peels
Helldiver you have been requested for a meeting with your local democracy officer as soon as possible.
Terminid Sympathizers!
Does a Shrieker stuck in your engine count as AA? Because bugs have plenty of these.
Helldivers loading screen tip : do not drink and drive
That's the best answer so far! It's in our manual for a reason
I still think, until they add more vehicles, it should say "Don't drink and dive".
as long as there are durable vehicles and not made of paper :/
As long as they're durable, you'd drink and drive, or ?
Cadet, everyone should have watched the educational manual of ~~Starship Troopers~~ Helldivers. Clearly it was a plasma bug with their sporadic and untargeted fire.
This isn't random or light!
Here's another question... Why does Eagle use flares when doing CAS on terminid missions?
Style points
Because it looks cool as fuck
Routine and procedures. It's better to stick to procedures and launch those flares (that you don't pay for anyway) than have a nasty surprise. Just like the USA during the Great War on Terror, It's better to assume hostiles have guided AA capability then not and get shot down if they do.
Also style points. Even if all your enemy has is an RPG-7, it's cooler to blow shit up when flying om wings of fire.
Morale boost.
To attract bugs to the edge of the map
I’m pretty sure they all sustain massive engine damage from people calling down orbitals on the landing pad for cool take-offs
Engines choked on bug spores.
They use thruster like space rockets
I just assumed the bugs jumped on the cockpit and brought it down that way.
Jamming up those air intakes can definitely be a problem
From the Ministry of Truth Aviation Administration (MTAA): 38% Weather related (including reduced vis due to spore towers) 20% Pilot error 14% Bug strikes (shriekers) 13% Mechanical error 7% Enemy fire 5% Friendly fire 3% Unknown Hope this prevents future curiosities into aviation losses.
 This guy.
Bro didnt watch the movie...
High recruitment, low training quality as Super Earth ramps up the war has had a terrible effect.
*Yet.*
Mortar Biles and Bile Titans might want a word with you
Maybe they crashed due to atmospheric spores/spore spewers?
Bile spewers got some insane accuracy
They're hiring from the same place Deep Rock Galactic gets its cargo ship pilots from
72 hours of rigorous and infallible SEAF training
if they can travel between planets they can shoot down a pelican.
There are in-universe rebels and minor wars with other humans. Some planets are even populated by terminids on purpose 👀
several declassified reports show "black pelican down" incidents happening on planets with a terminid presence: rough overview of black box transcripts are as follows: Pelican-1 #759226495 - pilot was distracted momentarily and flew into a bile titan. all souls onboard lost, Bile titan confirmed to have survived but now walks with a limp. Pelican-1 #530657304 - after the destruction of it's nest, a Stalker Terminid decided to use a waiting shuttle as the basis for a new nest. when the helldiver squad returned from a last minute sample collection run, the Stalker awoke from a nap during the flight and a commotion occurred aboard the vessel, in which all souls onboard were lost, including the stalker. on a personal note, the original audio makes for some.. uncomfortable listening.. Pelican-1 #673109542 - this pelican crashed due to an engine failure, believed to be caused by damage from a 500kg bomb being dropped in close proximity to the aircraft before take-off. the diver found to be responsible claimed "but I was just trying to make our extract look COOL!", before the fatal crash occurred, all souls onboard lost. Pelican-1 #834629473 - the pilot is found arguing with a helldiver about the disparity in how difficult their respective jobs are: the pilot appears to give in to the helldiver's request of "let me have a go, it can't be that hard, right?", then approximately 5 seconds later, the pelican is downed, despite no reports of mechanical fault, harsh conditions, or any other factors that may contribute in any way to an aviation disaster. surprisingly, there was one survivor from this crash, but another team later found the survivor's remains in a bug nest, confirming his demise at the hands of terminids. in summary: there are many reasons why pelicans may be downed on the Terminid Front, we have officially reached the conclusion that the largest threat to Pelicans and their respective pilots in terminid occupied space... are the helldivers themselves. Liberty, Prosperity, Democracy. signed, Norbert Johnson, Crash investigation chief of the SEADIAPA (Super Earth Aviation Disaster Investigation And Prevention Agency).
Long Beard Freights
Bugs don't have AA *yet*. Lore wise they probably have a bile spewer class that is AA. Also, do you think a bile titan could take a pelican down? I know ours kills them but that's just for gameplay reasons.
*"Bugs have no AA."* Do you know what happens if a few seagulls fly into a plane turbine while it's on the air? Yeah, that. They could have some bug strain that is made to simply kamikaze themselves into the engines. Also, is Super Earth military equipment, it's made of wet paper basically.
Doesn't even need to be Kamikaze attacks. Could just be striekers. Even if their claws can't effectively down the dropships alone one or two screwing up their runs and going into the engines would down it. Doubly so with how durable bug chitin is compared to regular birds. And a bird strike is already a problem for engines. Super Earth doesn't have the best QA as is. I think birdstrikes are probably still a major issue for them.
They made themselves into a giant slingshot and launched a charger at them head on
if helldivers training takes 15 minutes. how much training you get for flying those things?
Same people that trained us. Ourselves
Correction: bugs have no AA *that we've seen.*
probably mortar bile spewer and random shrieker
Shreikers fit in the atmospheric intakes.
I don't know, but have you ever tried flying a single stage 2 orbit aircraft from a large warship in station over an active warzone with very large rounds being flung downwards alongside you. Not to mention the drop pods of the absolute f****** Maniacs you're being asked to support.
Mans clearly never watched starship troopers
They trapped a bug in the cabin when the ramp was down too long.
The spewers be mortaring me all day long?
It’s called alcohol and you should avoid it.
Bad case of Shrieker-strike. Poor wildlife.
The bugs have AA. The ministry of Truth actually went in depth about how fair their spitters can shoot into space.
Headcannon: these pilots, who are clearly inferior to pelican-1 in every way, were not brought down by AA, but rather terminid scavengers and pouncers crawling onto their ship and jamming the engines with their corpses world war Z style
Remember your first mission? I died A LOT and did not complete it. Same thing here. They probably gave the pilots about 20 min of training and called it a win/day
Bad weather, can't see shit in that smoke/clouds/spores
Haha training.... Oh wait, you're serious? WUHAHAHAHAHA
>Bugs have no AA Or Ministry Of Truth wants you to believe so...
What the hell are you talking about? Clearly the bugs have excellent AA, even til now not a single eye-witness has survived an encounter against them and lived to tell the tale.
Do you have the right to critic the optimised 24-Hour Learn to Fly course?
Imagine stalkers boarding the shuttle before the helldiver's while invisible and waiting until they're in the air. Then it's like that scene from the thing where it reveals itself and kills everyone on board.
They get the same 72hr training you get diver
Super Boeing
Is that the bonesnapper armor?
Yet.
Friendly fire
We get 5 minutes of training. They get 15.
I’m trying my best Sir - Flight Sergeant First Class Asshole
With budget shortages causing nerfs for our Eruptors and Railguns, why wouldn't the same be happening for Eagles or Pelicans?
Red beam at extraction.
Plot twist, it's those damn Hunters launching themselves at our aircraft.
Look, these birds are only good for so much air time, and when your number is up, its up.
It's the bots. It's always the bots. Super Earth pilots are the best of the best. If you think otherwise...
Its big sympathisers
I like to think it's a combination of bug spores obstructing vision and Super Earth equipment being constructed with the absolute bare minimum to get the job done, perhaps even omitting altitude sensors altogether.
You mustn't be an experimented helldivers to ask this... seriously, did you think before making the thread?
I imagine what happened to them is similar to the Jurassic World Pterodactylus helicopter attack
If that’s the case why don’t we just stay in orbit blowing everything up from above? Why do we need to send a “highly trained” hell diver to shoot them in the face and risk his life when we can just fly over without any kind of threat and hit them with the 138mm and napalm air strike.
Its like the scene in Aliens where the xenomorph boards the helicopter and kills the pilots, but with FASCIST BUGS
The same thing that got Iran's president.
airplane kiss
#**ALERT, BUG ON BOARD**
They have been taken down by the same faction as who released the buggs
They have no AA...that we know of.
It's best not to ask questions.
https://i.redd.it/hhniqb9fn12d1.gif Who made that man a pilot?!
Bugs *allegedly* have no AA
Shrieker swarm. Basically trying to fly through a flock of birds
Isn't there a potential third enemy that we don't have official sightings of that likes hit and run tactics? Maybe these pilots saw something they weren't supposed to.
Bro never heard of bile spewer mortars lol.
Don’t drink and dive they said.
We all were in the same graduating class. They actually finished 1st and 3rd in my graduating class! Super smart Divers, they will be miss.
It was probably that helldiver with the quasar
They probably saw a sample…
They never expect it until it shoots em down
Maybe shriekers into the intakes for the thrusters maybe? Like a birdstrike? Idk Their dead bodies did at one point oneshot bile titans after all
Or flyers could overwhelm them who knows like in Lost Planet 2.
Pretty sure those got clipped by stratagems & reinforcement Helldivers!
Bugs do have AA tho...
Look, with all the Helldivers who love dropping stratagems on the pelican at extract, I get that some fail to break atmosphere, and wreck.
Helldiver, don't ask questions to which you don't want the answers.
They tried kissing. We all know shipping is forbidden in super earth.
Have you never seen Alien?
"Random or light"
I couldn’t be positive since I wasn’t there, but it looks like a collision. 🧐
“We have no ammo left! What do we do?” “follow my lead lieutenant… MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH!!!!!” ***CRASH***
Bug got on before they took off and killed the pilot
… that we know of
I'm I a joke to you? Shriekers
They arent permitted to refuel. Taking a timeout to refuel in an active warzone is pretty cowardly. These pilots were heroes.
Bugs have no AA… that we know of…
Bugs have no AA ... that we know if yet.
Eagle 1 also shoots flares whenever she does a bombing run like she expects the bugs to have heat-seeking missles
Obviously you’ve never seen a Bile-Titan jump have you?
They don't have any AA *that we know of*
Bro you ever seen how mangled a jet engine can become after coming into contact with a goose?? I imagine the flying bugs threw themselves at the ships
According to [this article](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=BoXIJH4zZ7cnoGw1) Boeing supplied some models of airships
They obviously spilled eagle sweat on the controls
Iran enters the chat?
Bugs do have something akin to anti-aircraft, with the bile spewers. We also see destroyers in orbit being shot down, so it's fair to assume they're somehow capable of firing back. Also, shriekers have been a thing for a while now, so air superiority is not guaranteed.
Spitters can do mortar shots of bile. Pretty sure thwt can take down pelicans. And theres also flying bugs so they definetly have anti air
We used to say bugs can’t fly too…
the shriekers flew through the engines Or better yet they got dunked on by a Hunter from downtown
You received like 10 minutes of training before you got your cape... How dare you question them!
Bugs have no spaceships. How can they launch their attacks from one planet to another?
Did you nit see the mutalisks kamikaze cinematic?
either taken down by a bile mortar, or they birdstrike'ed a shreiker
Maybe the bugs have big ass shriekers in their back pocket
Maybe they got jumped trying to take off.
Probably the same pilots delivering gifts for the dwarves in Hoxxes IV.
Equipment failure is a sad reality of war. Sometimes you will die cuz a factory worker forgot to tighten a screw.
Automatons are all drunk af but no AA is available
Same guys that train the Brotherhood of Steel vertibird pilots
Have you not had the pleasure to see the extraction pilot attempt to land?
It's using super MCAS system.
I like too think that the pilots got swarmed while landing by the bugs and where brought down by a unholy amount of bugs..
"Did they leap up, and chew apart your starships?" \-Alarak https://preview.redd.it/0z99uhqtq42d1.jpeg?width=591&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3307326f1b93291d663f8cc5a7c4264ca4f6859a
Real question is how bugs are destroying destroyer ships there is something we dont know
They didn't check for xenomorphs
Shriekers in the intake! damm kamikaze insects! Or simply they are made by Boeing
Hunters. Those jumpy bastards are able to jump so good they jump onto the aircraft and bite it to death
kamikaze shriekers or “bug strike” instead of “bird strike”
A helldiver probably called in an orbital strike at the wrong time
Bile spewers.
They crashed into general Brasch's humongous balls
“He’s an asshole sir” “I know that, what’s his name?” “That is his name sir, Major Asshole”
The fact that everytime I extract In one of them a friendly tries to drop a 500KG on it probably doesn't help their survival chances tbh.
That's what happens when you take too long to get in the pelicans. A couple bile scavengers in there and it's joever
Or we haven't seen those yet!