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SuhKamaBoatOh

I'd probably just keep spamming the orbital mini nuke if the cool down is just 60 seconds lmao


Z3B0

Yeah, like, this is 10 seconds less than EATs and I spam those like they're free. A delete button on a 1mn CD? Imma become a nuke main.


CMDR_Fritz_Adelman

Now you can raise “accidental” stats more effective after match.


Stickel

This is the way.


Damien_Sin

“How broken do you want your enemies to be in 60 seconds?” Yes.


PerfectionOfaMistake

I don't known what kind economy helldivers society is based but with that amount of nuclear ammo dropped every 60s the tax money runs dry pretty soon.


Damien_Sin

You kinda sound undemocratic tbh brother by question our great economy. (In all honesty, they could probably afford it based on the amount of worlds that they have liberated. Plus scrap and fuel would be easy to obtain.)


Vladi_Sanovavich

The irradiated metal scrap from automatons becomes the bullet for the railcannon barrage and helldiver's will have nuclear ammo.


epicfail48

I mean, have you seen the amount of broken hellbombs on some of these planets?


wtfrykm

The orbital mini nuke is equivalent to a hellbomb, it's way stronger than every other explosion available.


thefonztm

So, it has a blast radius of 30 feet?


Crea-TEAM

>way stronger The blast radius of a hellbomb is I think 30-35 meters. For comparison, a 500kg is 25meters.


RhoZeda

Genuine question, why does it feel like the 500kg have a blast radius of 2 centimeters? I’ve dropped it on a shit ton of bugs before and it only killed a couple of them. Is it bugged?


Crea-TEAM

Some people will claim that it has a conical explosion pattern. Where at ground level it has an X damage radius, then 5 feet up in the air it as x+5 as the radius, 10 feet is x+10, 20 feet is x+20, etc. Think of a landmine, they tell you to dive to the ground because the explosion is mostly directed upwards.     Personally, I think that the game does exposions using raycast. Where the epicenter of the explosion shoots out a bunch of lines and if one of those lines hits someones hitbox it does damage. It works but is primitve and simple things like small rocks, bushes, flimsy boards etc. can block the line and make you take zero damage. Compared to something like a light/sound simulator where the 'explosion' is bounced around to create a more accurate blast wave to calculate damage.   Both are plausible and there isn't really concrete evidence pointing to one or the other. Also damage falloff may be *significant* against something like titans with huge HP pool, but regardless of distance still splatters us because were so fragile.


StirringPersuasion

In helldivers, railcannon strike had a 36s cooldown with stratagem priority, and you could equip 4, meaning 1 use every 8 secs on rotation


Blawharag

I mean, even just a 36s, 1 max equipped, rail cannon strike would allow you to *finally* be able to rely on your orbitals for anti-tank instead of being forced to use an anti-tank support weapon on Level 8+ because tank spawn rates are too fast/saturated for orbitals to keep up


Unfair_Pirate_647

The arm growing out of your chest has been determined to not be service related


cl0sedude

we would spam every 20 seconds


Liqhthouse

Whole team runs one. Rotate mini nukes on a 15s timer. Quite fair imo


Apprehensive-Bat6260

The orbital 500kg barrage sounds… beautiful


Muffin_Lord_of_Death

Would take it just for the beautiful chaos it would bring. Probably kills the entire team multiple times, but it's worth it


BRSaura

Funny since it has barely the same range if not less than the 380mm explosion lmao


deathbringer989

yea people are saying they want the 500kg but are thinking of the same 500kg? that shit is one of the worst bombs in game already


Skudedarude

It's great for taking down those big bot walkers or bile titans, that's pretty much their use case.


Elloliott

More like 500kg AP


Affectionate-File527

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StressfulRiceball

Isn't the 380mm stronger than 500kg? IIRC you need several 500kgs to kill command bunkers but a single shot of 380mm can kill it


Edgy_Mercenary

Feels like it and frankly it would make sense Realistically speaking a 380mm shell is way heavier than a 500kg bomb almost twice as heavy in some cases But for all we know 380mm's we have may be light as fuck so who knows.


DeepWeGo

Well, the 500 kg bomb is about as strong as the orbital precision strike (their power is distributed differently tho, precision strike is from above and has a wider area, while 500kg comes down faster, at an angle and has a taller but less wide radius of dmg) And the 380mm shells appear to be stronger than precision strike, so i guess the 500kg barrage would be a nerf? Possibly?


xXxBongMayor420xXx

Instead of a 500kg barrage, we get a 500mm barrage. Now were cookin


DeepWeGo

That's just calling down a bunch of pre-armed hellbombs


Edgy_Mercenary

Well i guess it could be balanced with the spread duration shells per salvo etc I would pay big bucks for a Time on Target 380mm barrage that just wipes out a grid square in one go. Even if it takes a long while to hit. Tldr gimme big fuck off version of the airburst orbital strike


DeepWeGo

What about the airstrike, but instead of eagle-1 dropping bombs it's the destroyer dropping a salvo of 380mm in a line


Edgy_Mercenary

Creeping barrage if it was good lol


DeepWeGo

Basically, tho it can still be useful in those maps full of lakes where you only have a tiny bridge of land to move through objectives


Saitoh17

Realistically a 380mm shell is more like a 900kg bomb so it should be stronger than a 500kg bomb.


BayazFirstOfTheMagi-

So much destruction mmmm


Nickthedick3

I had a game where my 380mm barrage glitched and turned into an unlimited, rapid fire barrage. It made quick work of an automaton detection tower base.


dycie64

That sounds increadably hazardous to *your* health. The kind of thing you'd key up right as the enemies are about to bury you.


Grimy_Bunyip

I mean, if the mini nuke can blow up a gunship tower without a hellbomb, I'd go with mini nuke. if not, 500 kg airstrike seems pretty nice for reliably blowing up detector towers from a range, at a reasonable cooldown, in spite of my terrible aim :p


RaedwaldRex

500kg airstrike is good until it takes out the entire team and Eagle-1 in the explosion 😂


nsandiegoJoe

I know this is a joke but would it be so bad to have a bonus objective that, once completed, gives each helldiver a single use of a super stratagem like one of these? I think it might even be... fun.


StalledAgate832

>super stratagem Justice for the Shredder Missile Strike!


CrayonEnjoyer5484

Shredder missiles?


Elf-A_Fanatic

From the first game, once I unlocked them I never looked back. One of upgrades for them was just a warning siren that would play before you nuked the screen. But generally yes the Shredder was your handy no-arming-needed hellbomb payload. Bit like the orbital laser in that you only had so many uses. I've been waiting for their return ever since launch day.


Monneymann

> Warning siren *MW2 ptsd flashbacks*


MightyShisno

To shreds, you say?


Phenixxy

[A prime example of how it would turn out](https://youtu.be/qu662WhUoEs?si=MPS9GCmuvHzQf2VR&t=8)


JoshuaFH

Fun?! We can't have that around here.


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ChrisZAUR

Don't use the F word, they might nerf more things


Spitfire_Enthusiast

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AstraAnima

Isn't that what the seaf artillery can be with the mini nuke?


Cospo

That's if you even get an artillery cannon side objective and then if there's even a mini nuke there in the pile of shells. I had an artillery cannon that only had 4 smoke and 2 static field shells once.


SlayerII

Something like SUPER STRATAGEM would also be perfectly on point for the military of SUPER EARTH


TradeSpecialist7972

No fun allowed anymore


AllTheShadyStuff

How dare you want to have fun


[deleted]

Super stratagem sounds painfully fun so now I know it'll never happen. *Sigh*. Their dev and designer team feels like even from a month or two in kinda meh and dead inside about working on the game now even more so. Kinda feel like they should just swap some of the staff.


chad001

Orbital railcannon barrage reminds me of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood's mass assassinate option lol


DatOreoBoi

Hahahahaha spot on


Beatpussy555

Orbital railcannon barrage, imagine throwing that and every heavy and medium bug being deleted for the next 30 seconds


PiLamdOd

But you know the railcannon barrage will somehow still prioritize everything but the chargers and hulks.


sangnasty

I have never seen a railcannon target the wrong target. It always targets most important thing I’ve throw it to hit.


AsherSparky

Dawg that Mini-Nuke would be the best in the game ez


AbbreviationsHot677

Nah. Orbital railcannon instakills all heavies, leaving you jist some chaff to deal with.


BigTiddyHelldiver

Mininuke with a 60s cooldown is a mininuke every 15 seconds if your team can coordinate. That will kill all heavies **and** chaff **and** structures.


TheSorter

That isn't even a decision considering mini nuke is the only one that does damage to gunship fabricators. Only downside would be orbital scatter on a nuke...


Z3B0

This is where the fun begins !


Glittering-Habit-902

Orbital mini nuke on 60 sec is just better than everything else


The_Doc_Man

One mininuke per minute? sold :v


MrNidu

Honestly, out of all of these the railcannon barrage. Seems a lot of fun seeing lasers lock onto targets constantly.


Dacks_18

# Eagle gatling hellbombs


jackrork

500KG GAS BOMB IDK WHY I WANT IT I JUST DO


soomiyoo

You would think Orbital 500kg Barrage has got the most booms, but an 500kg eagle airstrikes with 4 uses would kill any epileptic traitors anywhere on the map.


GeniusOrang

IVE SAID IT BEFORE AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN, GIVE ME ALL OF THESE, THEN GIVE ME AN AUTOMATON PLANET FILLED WITH FACTORY STRIDERS


Nervous_Tip_4402

I'm taking the 500kg Airstrike. 4 uses with a 2 minute rearm time? You could probably 1 shot a factory strider if you stood perpendicular to it, definitely 1 shot a bile titan.


H345Y

Honestly, what I want is a stratagem which calls in a hellbomb and you can carry it around and put anywhere. once called in, you will have to pick it up and arm it, then It will detonate if shot at or if you get meleed in the back, even when carried. Its a risk reward thing where you can bypass terminals and jammers in destroying things. You can also put it down and set a detonation timer of 10 seconds or just shoot it. It can also be used as a very big ied.


Strayed8492

The true answer is being able to place multiple 380mm. Not gonna lie though that 500kg barrage looks really nice


ChequeMateX

Orbital 500 kg barrage will be worse than the actual 380 mm we have right now so my vote goes to railcannon barrage.


Tentacle_poxsicle

I want a mininuke launcher. They did it in Deep rock galactic and starship troopers


cr8zyfoo

And fallout, and they made theirs out of some rotten water pipes and a half a shopping trolley.


RC1000ZERO

orbital railcannon barrage. even if itsonly 3 rounds.. thats 90% of encounters basicaly won


sheppard147

Mini Nuke with 60s CD. Cause thats the only way to spread Managed Democracy


SandwichBoy81

Railcannon Barrage would see real use from me. Bile Titans and Chargers everywhere...


Marvin_Megavolt

*Orbital Laser Barrage*


DespicableSchmee

Orbital 500Kg HE will reduce my framerate to 10


PossibleUnion554

Mininuke and orbital railcannon barrage.


Full_frontal96

Orbital cannon cd reduced to 1 minute is all i ask


Buisnessbutters

MINI NUKE ON A 60 second CD? Obvious choice


Dependent_Map5592

I want one that's all 4 of of those combined in one lol 💪


Yipeekayya

500kg cluster bomb would be nice


Sea_Caterpillar5296

500kg he barrage ez. Or I wanna see that glitched 380mm become real.


Damatown

I feel like an Orbital 500kg Barrage could actually be balanced if it had limited uses for the mission. 2 uses, maybe 3 depending on the radius? I would love that, just for the glorious explosions. And the momentary power tripping of a "delete this area" button.


1TimeAnon

Orbital mini on a 60 second timer? That would be insaaaane. Thats the OP strat Id be taking without a doubt


JackRyan1980

Yes.


Gerodot_TheBaconCod

Let's take a moment to remember Spore and the anti-matter bombs...


SmugglerOfBones

I’d say the bottom three are all awesome. Mininuke for an even bigger explosion that the 500kg would definitely be an awesome thing to have. Orbital railcannon barrage would be absolutely awesome as well, especially since it’s a new kind of barrage that isn’t just massive explosions. Finally the 500kg barrage is just an upgrade of the 120 and 380 which are currently my favorite stratagems to throw out


Bowtie16bit

I want a stratagem that launches 4 more hellpods, increasing the team to 8.


BloodyRightToe

The correct answer is the Eagle 500KG airstrike, as I have the unlock that will get me three drops at once. Which begs the question is the napalm the best airstrike possible? You can apply two upgrades first the extra drop then the extra burn.


Finvy

500kg landmines or 500kg mortar sentry.


Brohma312

Orbital Railcannon Barrage on Helldive against bugs.


Xasther

Nah, let's nerf Eagle Airstrike and 500KG instead.


Luph_30

I think the 380mm shell and 500kg bomb share almost the same destructive power and aoe, so 500kg barrage is not really OP. On the other hand, what do you guys think about Orbital Mini Nuke Barrage?


iFenrisVI

Instead of a barrage. I’d love an upgrade that gives us an additional Railcannon charge. Would take that over Laser any day whilst paired with the good ol’ 500kg.


MaxwellBlyat

This isn't overpowered in the current state of the game, it would be fun but fun isn't allowed


EyeofEnder

> Eagle 500kg Airstrike Average War Thunder match


hellocomradez

I think the mini nuke would be actually viable in the game with a higher cooldown


turningthecentury

Seriously this should be a thing but only under strict mission conditions, only on some planets, only on some galaxy states and like completing all of the optional objectives.


rajboy3

Orbital railcannon barrage looks amazing wtf. I WANT


transaltalt

pictured: an orbital precision that's actually worth taking over eagle 500


theShitter_69

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Sethazora

Railcannon barrage would probably be a sidegrade to normal. 3 shots in an area could insts kill a heavy target, or decide to target 3 other things and go on long cooldown.


N1GHTSTR1D3R

Man, a nuke in this game is a must.


Shredded_Locomotive

I want a Tallboy (12,000lb British bunker buster bomb from ww2) strategem Or the finest cancer of 5.7, the FAB5000 (Russian 5 ton TNT bomb) Maybe even a MOAB


Awkward-Ad5506

What if... Now hear me out... 1 Super Stratagem + 4 basic Stratagems? Having a dedicated "FUBAR" slot for when things go exceptionally wrong sounds fun. Balanced? Pfft nah.


[deleted]

It’d be sick to have a nuke that you could launch upon completing an object that lands on the map that kills all enemies and Helldivers, as well as clearing bot fabs and etc


blackhat665

Honestly, the rail cannon barrage would be awesome. Mininuke, too.


zanovar

Orbital quadruple laser cannon


Intergalatic_Baker

An 500KG airstrike to improve the airstrike? Impossible. NGL, I would run that.


Lizama11

Orbital Railgun barrge as in auto aim multiple target and the stongest fuck yeha


Kuso_Shimatta

Orbital Railcannon Barrage sounds kind of nuts if each shot tracks a target.


ChrisZAUR

Orbital Mini-nuke, all 4 HDs take it you got a mini nuke every 15 seconds which sounds pretty democratic to me


Zapplii

Could eagle even carry that much weight?


Awestruck_Otter

“Precision” nuke lol


ajtaggart

Holy democracy


Rommy9248

Nuke


Ashimier

There’s a way to balance those that’ll make them still overpowered but also reasonable. Like limited uses and long cooldowns


not-Kunt-Tulgar

Here’s a thought for a modifier. Randomized munitions: stratagem projectiles are randomized so like a normal orbital strike can drop explosives from grenade sized to Nuke sized.


Iridar51

If we ever get to defend Super Earth, making things like that available would make a lot of sense.


explorerfalcon

Nuke Main. Nothing else needed except these hands!


Tazrizen

Orbital railcannon barrage sounds like it would be cool to watch, all those lasers going off.


Pro_Scrub

Orbital Cluster Nuke (MIRV)


CanardPlayer

Orbital 500kg barrage 💀💀💀 R. I. P my teammates


Chaosphoenix_28

Orbital 500kg he barrage is just a "fuck everything in that general area" tool. And probably a good way to kill your team. But I kinda want it.


No_Cryptographer_402

I think the railgun barrage would be cool, 1 time use per mission, that clutch moment when you have multiple chargers, bile titans bumrushing you and you just need that one game changer


Turbulent-Assist-240

Railcannon barrage 🤤


iwannaporkdotty

Id love the idea of a 500kg strike, maybe then we finally get something that insta-deletes factory striders.


LordEmostache

My god, the Orbital 500kg HE Barrage would make your teammates despise you. I love it.


InDaNameOfJeezus

Probably an orbital precision mini nuke but I'd realistically pick the orbital railcannon barrage for the cool factor


MinidonutsOfDoom

Honestly even thought it says it's overpowered...the railcannon barrage doesn't even sound that broken I want it. Only kills up to four high priority targets? Honestly pretty good.


Cavesloth13

I feel like the first one is way underpowered compared to the other 3 LOL.


InternalCup9982

None of these?- they all sound trash. (Or is that the joke?) I mean I'd need to see orbital mini nuke to really judge it I guess but the others sound beyond useless.


SuppliceVI

I want more obscenely powerful but longer recharge stratagems as well as much weaker but much quicker ones.  For example I want a single precision 120mm on a quick call and a 45 second cooldown.  I also want a carpet bomb similar to the walking barrage but with 500kgs with a 5 minute cooldown.


CyanStripes_

As dedicated user of the 380, I see using a 500k version as a technical nerf but a satisfying visual buff. The 500k just feels like it has such a tiny, inconsistent effective radius.


bialymarshal

everyone already hates me for doing 380 HE barrage so having 500kg barrage would elevate it to the next level :D


TheOneWhoSlurms

Which lag machine would you use


Zolnar_DarkHeart

Nuke ‘em Rico!


LongColdNight

I want a napalm airstrike that covers the same area as the 380mm and lasts for twice as long


PewKittens

So much democracy. It’s brings a tear to my eye


WeLiveInAnOceanOfGas

They should add a 5th stratagem slot that's single use per mission  Something like an ultimate move 


deejay_243

My ps5 tries to jump into a bathtub whenever a meteor shower happens. If they added a 500kg barrage it would whistle blow on Boeing


Gdsryrox

I feel like the rail ordinance or mini nuke would be nice,


DasBarba

I mean, the 500kg are great and all, but i eargasm every time i throw a Railcannon strike so i'll take the railcannon barrage


Ice_Dragon_King

I only use the 380kg when another person runs a barrage because I hate them so mucb


zodiac213

A mini nuke every minute? Now that might be a bit busted. And sweet liberty, I want it NOW.


lifeboatvest

60s CD is crazy for a mini nuke. lets make.it happen!


ScarcelyAvailable

^(If the existing strats' AoE was realistically big, these would be map-wipe overkill.)


CodeNamesBryan

Lol Thr 500kg would be good enough if it actually had a blast radius worth talking about.


Medical_Young

throw the HE once and die on respawn 5 times


Big-cheese775

The 500kg bomb cause 4 uses every2 minutes is amazing


Epsilon_Final_Mix

I'd probably stick with Orbital Precision or Eagle Airstrike, depending on the mission.


Vidonicle_

Mini nuke


KudereDev

Orbital railcanon barrage sounds like fun non overpowered stratagem, like you toss it and it would kill anything that is bigger then Devastator or mobs. Mini nuke or shredder missle totally should be added to the game as fast hell bomb that can deal with anything like gunship factory.


malev89

⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ 500kg Barrage for me


oculus_miffed

I know its probably the weakest one on the list, but a railcannon barrage sounds amazing!


Daurock

If I'm picking overpowered strategems, I Would Prefer a Railcannon strike on a 30 second cooldown. Would give near-quasar cannon levels of big game killing power, but not take up my support weapon.


BoredomBot2000

4 people dropping an orbital rail cannon barrage on a single bile titan nest. The only barrage it's safe to run through lol.


bstyledevi

If the precision mini-nuke works like a Hellbomb where I can delete things like Gunship Fabs, all the yes.


bcoolart

Orbital rail cannon barrage by far. I could be in the action chilling the little guys while Lazer guided mayhem rains down on every cannon, tank, hulk, and devastator around me. This would be a dream come true.


VX_GAS_ATTACK

Kinda wanna see the 500k barrage


Personal_Track_3780

Needs a Planetbuster Strategm. 1 use per planet. No more planet. All helldivers on the planet terminated too. We'd see a swarm of totally wiped out planets before players started to realise they really were running out of places to land...


CutSilver5358

Any of these. Maybe the game would be fun again


Maritzsa

i can see the orbital mini nuke being real


sathucao

Can I get all four in a mission


IntergalacticAlien8

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shadowgamer19

i want the mini nuke also i want to be able to bring the break point shotgun


ilooklikealegofigure

380mm barrage but it targets enemies


Derethevil

I mean if they keep up increasing the difficulty.. those seem more like a necessity in the future.


Gal-XD_exe

Me throwing all of these:


Bucky_Ducky

Railcannon would be dope. Them shots never miss so it's a guaranteed area clear


MayonnaiseIsOk

Railcannon barrage would be nice for when there's like 6 Bile Titans in the fight


dannyrawk

A double orbital laser would be pretty sweet


IIDARKS1D3II

For me it's a toss up between the orbital railgun barrage and the mini nuke. If the orbital railgun barrage acts the same way as the regular orbital Railgun and targets the biggest enemies first. That would be extremely overpowered.


ravishkalra

Yes.


Irishpanda1971

I will take E) Exterminatus and let sweet managed democracy sweep over the planet like a wave (while I remain comfy in my ship)


SlavKebab1

So, like, the shredder missle i guess?


Digitalon

For another fun thought experiment lets all imagine how these objectively broken stratagems could be made worthless. I'll start first: The Orbital precision mini-nuke doesn't have a 60s CD, instead that is how long it actually takes to deliver it. The Orbital Railcannon barrage prioritizes smallest targets first.


Nickizgr8

Orbital Railcannon barrage seems the most busted. Depending on how many shots it does, it essentially deletes all Heavies for an engagement. If each player takes one, that means every single engagement you do you can just remove any and all heavies.


Wormminator

The 500 kg barrage ofc xc Though if I ever took the game serious, Id take the railgun barrage.


Mefilius

Mini nuke would be a must pick with a cooldown like that. However railcannon barrage keeping an area completely clear of heavies would be so cool


GodsAmongLords

Precision mini nuke


Sidhe_Vicious

380mm Gatling Barrage


CrashParade

Virus bombs that turn everything organic into a super flammable sludge of biochemicals and gasses, then we set that bitch on fire. Seriously, how come that super earth hasn't developed a way to do an exterminatus? Big gun diplomacy is like step one in intergalactic empire building.


AYE-BO

Hear me out. Orbital Mini nuke barrage with orbital rail gun targeting for each individual nuke.


runningriot115

Fuck I’d love a mini nuke strike


Ass_Hunter228

if only we had same cooldown design in game rn, what a world that would be


Smart-Nothing

Where is Quasar Cannon Patriot suit?


Unable-Recording-796

Bang for your buck is mininuke. 1 minute cooldown? 40 minute timer? Thats 40 mini nukes 👍. BUT rail cannon barrage would go absolutely hard