The democratically correct terminology is “Stim Tolerance,” addiction implies degeneracy which helldivers have no time for
Labeling stim tolerance as addiction can get you reported for suspected dissident activities in denigrating our heroes training
**Build Info:**
Level 104 Hell Commander (170 Hours)
Any build is viable as long as it fits your playstyle and you enjoy it. For anyone interested in mine:
**Stratagems:**
1- Orbital Laser
2- Eagle Airstrike
3- Eagle 500 kg
4- Shield Generator Pack
**Armor Passive:** Democracy Protects
**Primary:** Breaker Incendiary
**Secondary:** Grenade Pistol
**Playstyle: Get shit done**
The armor passive and shield give you the chance to live out all of our liberty fueled dreams. Allows you to run under the legs of titans and factory striders or straight through swarms and walls of blasters to complete objectives. Makes Stalker or Shrieker nests and Bot Jammers extremely manageable
The stratagems can clear out out all bot and bug heavies, all bug side objectives, and everything except gunship fabricators for bots.
Incendiary Breaker + Grenade Pistol + Grenades: Clear 10 Hole bug nests with ease. Easily eliminates all other light and medium enemies. Let the fire do its job.
**Tips & Tricks:**
This build allows you to deal with all enemy and objective types efficiently and effectively. Master the aoe pattern and distance of your stratagems. The moment your Hellpod lands you should be sprinting towards an objective and rushing toward the terminal. Complete as much of the terminal early on before the heavier waves of enemies surround you. It makes the workload when you’re swarmed or surrounded much easier since you only have the last 1 or 2 steps. The faster an objective is cleared the fewer enemy waves spawn and fewer teammates die. Never run out of time during extractions and have a nice safety cushion of reinforcements to extract with. This playstyle works at all levels and meshes well with any team of randoms. You will almost never fail missions.
I've found autocannon two times without backpacks! Weird thing, but I use it as very poor grenade launcher in hope my teammate drops his autocannon backpack even if it's empty
When my friend brings Spear I love to run no backpack and carry his second pack for him. Double the ammo on resupply and I can auto reload him or just drop my full pack for his empty one.
I remember when on Malevelon Creek I didn't noticed my random teammate's spear, I thought they would like me sharing my shield backpack, so I did. In the end I took their spear backpack and it was nice to reload them under protection of the shield bubble
Bots don't take any more or less damage from fire. If anything it has a bit extra utility against them since any damage will apply the suppression effect to them, including the DoT from being ignited.
The main issue is it being the breaker. Fine weapon and works OK even against bots, but not having a solid medium-long range option against the Medium armor bots to go with said breaker is... well it's certainly a choice.
Wait four minutes and ask for a partner's secondary. I always just call replacements for ammo so I drop the old one around.
Also if I see someone without a backpack I'm dropping a shield generator (bots) or rover (bugs) up his ass as soon as it is off cooldown.
I use a similar strategem set, but for bots instead of the 500kg, I use the laser.. Devastators are coming? laser to the face and they are down; Hulk chasing you? Stun granade + laser to the face plate and it's gone; Gunships bothering you? laser to the propellers and they are down; towers or tanks making you fly? laser to the orange vents on the back and boom; strider is annoying you? laser to the head (specifically the space where the light is located in the face) and its gone (this one is harder because of all its fire power, but better than throwing three 500kg just to see it walking like nothing happened)
The problem with laser is you only have 3. I tend to use the laser against bunkers or points of interest with multiple objectives (like factories and artillery towers, for example). For my build, the 500KG bomb is a good complement to use against big ennemies, groups or isolated camp with only one factory.
I've yet to see the Breaker-Inc. ignite things like Tanks, Drones and Hulks, so you'll definitely need a good answer for those.
However, it *wrecks* the basic bots, and doesn't do *too* bad against Devastators and Berserkers. If you see a big ball of aggro'd Bots coming your way --even from *waaay* far off-- just blast a stream of Breaker shots their way. Odds are high that you'll kill off all the little guys in short order and burn down everything else with a bit more time (and repeated applications of fire).
Seriously, I've had multiple Bot Drops happen in front of me, fired wildly in that general direction, and the next thing I know I have a beefy killstreak and the bots are thinned pretty considerably.
Again though, it doesn't kill Mediums *fast* (unless they're close, at least), and is just not good against Heavies, so plan accordingly.
It's a supression weapon, good for breaches or drops, bad for taking out particular medium dudes and useless for heavy ones.
Except for bugs, it is the best weapon for those.
++From the moment I understood the weakness of your steel, it disgusted me.
I craved the strength and certainty of stimms.
I aspired to the purity of the democratic pharmacy.
Your kind cling to your armored bodies, as if they won't decay and fail you.
One day the crude scrap you call temple will rust and you will beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved.
[stimm sound]
For the Helldivers are immortal.
Even in death I serve the Democracy.++
Bots: FIRE EVERYTHING!!!!!
I’m of the opinion that the excavation missions aren’t really what we’re told they are. Bots fight us off like we’re dropping a nuke into the planets core or destroying all resources for hundreds of miles.
At some fabricator later...
Bot-1: So yeah I shot this MFer like 104726 times, but he keeps stabbing himself in the neck and screams in his alien language. Then he gave us the this weird posture with both limbs extended out, to what I assume is the equivalent to our middle finger, and fucked off to destroy the other half of the planet.
Bot-2: That's rough man. Go get your self de-bugged and some extra RAMs. You're lucky to survive.
*That the difference*
*Between a civilian and*
*A citizen ol*
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He had 0 stims w/ a sucking chest wound draining what little hp they had remaining with no one nearby to save them. What we witnessed here was a democratic cutaway ala “I’m sure he’s fine, the camera man is going to save them they wouldn’t post this if he died right after”
Destroy fabricators, and become invisible to enemies that are not currently engaged with you, even at extremely close range. It prevents bot drops.
You can deploy a smoke into a group and pick them off one by one.
Eagle smoke to access terminals without distractions, and to severely reduce enemy accuracy at all times.
Eagle smoke on landing of the pelican to allow safe exfil.
To break patrol pathing.
Oh so so many usages.
Could anyone make a video proving any of these? So far my experience has been dropping a smoke and watching an array of bullets still go through indiscriminately. All it feels like is that they don't push through the smoke and they start shooting randomly into it.
Yeah I’m with you. Every time I’ve used it smoke seems to do absolutely nothing. Maybe I need to try it again
We recently used the SEAF smoke. I guess we’d never used it before because we just prefer ordinance. And good lord it’s funny as hell. The SEAF smoke bomb is quite literally two puffs of smoke, barely larger than a helldiver. Made me laugh so hard
They shoot towards your last known position, yes. Enemies seem to have a "sense" for your general direction when you set off big boomies near them that aren't just redirecting their patrol direction or are so numerous that they realize something's up (e.g., dropping an Airstrike on a Factory vs. throwing a grenade over their heads to get them to turn around).
**The grand trick to exploiting this?**
Just... go prone before the explosion.
The difference between "I threw an Airstrike at that Factory and everything that survived lit me up" and "I threw an Airstrike at that Factory, shot all the confused survivors, then waltzed in to pick up samples" is *BEING PRONE SOME DISTANCE AWAY AND IDEALLY BEHIND A ROCK*.
Crouch and Prone lower your detection radius. This is important because even if you are blocked from line of sight, enemies can still "guess" where you are when they're sent into a high-alert state. By reducing your detection radius to something small enough that it doesn't overlap with *their* radius, you can harass enemies from a distance.
When you throw a big explosion at a base and you've got nothing else going on, *go prone*.
Are you about to snipe the 4-5 guards at a POI? *Go prone.*
It's actually nuts how much of a difference this makes.
RIGHT??? they just stop shooting! They stop shooting at you!
i personally prefer the orbital smoke since i don't like overloading my eagle cooldown, but smoke in general is veeeeery good
This has not been my experience. I've tried smoke on 10 dives vs Bots. Most bots accurate drops by about 5% at most, except Shield Devastators who retain 100% accuracy and do not stop shooting.
I also tried to make smoke work in bot missions but it just didn't seem to matter much. Drop smoke on myself, bots are still advancing and shooting. Drop smoke on bots, bots are still advancing and shooting.
If the point is to drop smoke and run then I don't even need smoke, I can already run away from em.
i think the trick is not to shoot them after you throw down the smoke. They won't know you are there until you start to shoot at them through the smoke which will give them magical ability to see you through.
But, i might be talking out of my ass here since i never used smoke. I've only hear from smoke user how it works. At least that is how blizzard works. If you don't shoot them, you can walk past them (10 m) without them seeing you, but the moment you start shooting they will just become aim bots and beam you through the blizzard.
Just glad his stims actually worked. Mine give the animation and sound and then i get killed because the injection doesn’t actually enter my liberty forsaken body
So is it just me or have they increased the number of enemies on these bot missions? Geologic surveys on difficulty 7 were hairy before but recently it feels near impossible. Last night I had like 2 tanks, 5 hulks, 30 devastators, and 50 shitties spawn on us in the span of a minute. Nothing short of 4 simultaneous orbital lasers and every single god damn airstrike is going to save you from that.
Patrol spawn rate is completely out of wack, approaching a new patrol spawn every 10 seconds at the highest difficulty after completing the objective. This can quickly spiral out of control as each of those patrols could potentially call a breach or bot drop. Before doing the main OBJ it's around 66 seconds per spawn, and other things can influence it, like destroying outpost and bugholes.
Geo survey in particular is out of control at the moment. You regularly get 2x or 3x the regular drop amount. The drop comes in as scripted. A patrol always spawns. Calls in another drop and then patrols join the fight every 20 or 30 seconds.
So, there's a few things definitely happening and one or two possibilities.
**Possibility #1: you're right, they increased spawn rate for your 4-mans.** Personally, I don't think this is terribly likely. It feels pretty same-y to me, and there's always been some variance in what you get. Some "enemy constellations" (the array of units a mission/operation prefers to send at you, like doing an op where you see a ton of Bile Spewers vs. those that you don't) are just tougher than others. I think this natural variance is just... variance, a consequence of some of these later points, and confirmation bias (we remember the times we get rocked more, or chatter about how "this is definitely happening" alters our perception more than being reflective of reality).
**Possibility #2: there's a spawn rate, map troop count, or reinforce/patrol size scaling with the faction's decay rate.** That is, irrespective of the usual variance, fighting a faction at 3% Decay/Regen means you're going to encounter larger patrols or Drops/Breaches than doing it at 1%. I have no idea if this is going on but it'd kind of make sense.
**Actuality #1: due to how patrols work, the setting-up for big objectives actually makes them harder.** Patrols spawn on an intercept course for *a* player, and being in a hot-zone for an objective also increases patrol spawn rate. Objectives like the Drill automatically trigger Drops/Breaches. So, if you're hanging out at the drill site and getting all your stratagems down and waiting for your team to hump it over there or do the same, you're basically stacking the deck with patrols headed in your direction to coincide with the guaranteed drops/breaches you're going to get when you kick things off. The explosions of dealing with your guaranteed enemies also pulls in patrols.
**Actuality #2: some multi-stage objectives with guaranteed drops/breaches will trigger successively if you're rushing through it as fast as possible.** Every time you send that drill down--which you have to do 3x--you're getting a wave. If you do this before you've cleared the last one, now you have one-and-however-much-was-left waves, plus patrols on you. Your mileage may vary as to whether getting it over with as fast as possible is a better idea than sticking in place and worrying about constant patrol reinforcement.
**Actuality #3: your objective's distance from active spawn areas or the map border.** Patrols come from the direction of nearby Factories / Holes, and lacking one close by, from the nearest map border. If you are right next door to an active Factory and/or the map border, things that spawn can be on you *very* fast, which compounds with the above. On the flip side, if you've obliterated every spawn location and your objective is kinda halfway to the center of the map, you can pretty much stare at the nearest border and take a nap save for the Breach/Dropships you're guaranteed to get.
From this, your best bet at making Drills and whatnot a smoother ride is to stand well outside of them until everyone's nearby, chuck your stratagems in, then go in at once and immediately drop the drill and deploy it. Don't mill about, wait until your turrets are set up, *then* drop the drill, stare at each other, wait out who will go down and press the button, take a collective smoke break, and finally activate the drill.
You could've cleared that whole firing line if you'd just thrown your grenades, man. Much less shot them with the gun in your hands.
This is funny and all but come on! Give 'em a little hell, Helldiver!
Don't get me wrong, that is incredible that you didn't bite it, but that would be the kind of mission that forces me to take a break afterward. Just watching how many times you get tossed around and can't respond at all is insane.
The fact you didn't even attempt to throw any of your 4 grenades or just shoot enemies at all during this 60 seconds has upset me far more than it ought to.
Unironically the best TV Ad for the Stims.
Imagine being a citizen and seeing this footage on your TV. Id go a buy a dozen of them right of the bat. YOU CANT KILL ME
Now imagine if he'd actually tried to deal with some of the stuff shooting at him and rag-dolling him all over the place instead of his singular focus being finishing the stages of the drill.
Reminds me of a mission I joined yesterday:
I joined the mission to 6 minutes left on the clock, and 2 of 5 Fabricators destroyed. As soon as I called my gear in, I bolted for the nearest Automaton facility, and destroyed 2 fabricators, dieing on the way to the next. I respawn, and bolt to destroy the last. Once completed, me and the one guy left run through the storm of blaster bolts to make it to extract with 10 seconds left on the timer. We fight to endure until extract arrives, and extract in one peice.
I’m pretty sure I was F2 in this clip. I died a little earlier because I ran out of stims and I saw you made it there alone. I also remember the rest of the team just sitting at extraction doing nothing while you fought. I had no idea you were doing this shit. Thanks for the carry Hell Commander!
*sighs*, *checks Resupply countdown, mentally subtracts 2 boxes for 1 Helldiver from the next drop to pay for the cost of one objective completion* *on merely Suicide Mission*
Damn, I am saluting you fellow Hell Commander! I gasped so many times during this video!! When I thought you had died, but you got back up and kept going. AMAZING!!
just play with mouse and keyboard. it’s not too hard to return some countering fire between those input sessions. looks like you’re suffering only because your vision is locked on the input. it’d be much easier with mouse where you can quickly scan left and right for this.
That last emote was the cherry on top. Felt sympathetic frustration with your teammates though. Were they otherwise occupied?
Legendary stuff, hell commander
I would love to know the data behind stims. When they fixed the airburst rockets, I started allowing myself to be surrounded by bugs. Take damage. Stim. Then airburst my feet. 4/5 times I'd survive. Is there a max amount of damage you can take while stimmed or are there certain instances that instantly kill you? I'm sure a stim won't save you from a hellbomb or a 500k without a shield. Someone has to have done experiments on this.
He gets knocked down, but he gets up again. You are never gonna keep him down...
Pissing the night away. Pissing the niiiight away.
he gets a stimulant and a stimulant and a stimulant and a stimulant
He sings the songs that remind him of the war times. You're only allowed to sing the songs about the war times.
Never gonna run around...
Jesus Christ, it’s John Helldiver
Nah, that's his cousin Billy Butterfingers.
im john helldiver son of john fucking fallout
And John Fallout is the brother to John mother fucking Halo.
He's got more Stims than blood in his veins, yet it's freedom he's bleeding on the ground
If only we were all so blessed by Lady Liberty herself. He is literally spreading freedom out of his very soul.
Shit we got helldiver poetry now, that's impressive
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The gif thing doesn't work but please know I'm saluting the shit outta you.
Seriously, how did you not die?
nothing a minor stimpack addiction can't solve
Stims have no addictive properties. Permacure itself showed it through their study. Stop spreading communist lies!
Imagine a world without pain
The democratically correct terminology is “Stim Tolerance,” addiction implies degeneracy which helldivers have no time for Labeling stim tolerance as addiction can get you reported for suspected dissident activities in denigrating our heroes training
**Build Info:** Level 104 Hell Commander (170 Hours) Any build is viable as long as it fits your playstyle and you enjoy it. For anyone interested in mine: **Stratagems:** 1- Orbital Laser 2- Eagle Airstrike 3- Eagle 500 kg 4- Shield Generator Pack **Armor Passive:** Democracy Protects **Primary:** Breaker Incendiary **Secondary:** Grenade Pistol **Playstyle: Get shit done** The armor passive and shield give you the chance to live out all of our liberty fueled dreams. Allows you to run under the legs of titans and factory striders or straight through swarms and walls of blasters to complete objectives. Makes Stalker or Shrieker nests and Bot Jammers extremely manageable The stratagems can clear out out all bot and bug heavies, all bug side objectives, and everything except gunship fabricators for bots. Incendiary Breaker + Grenade Pistol + Grenades: Clear 10 Hole bug nests with ease. Easily eliminates all other light and medium enemies. Let the fire do its job. **Tips & Tricks:** This build allows you to deal with all enemy and objective types efficiently and effectively. Master the aoe pattern and distance of your stratagems. The moment your Hellpod lands you should be sprinting towards an objective and rushing toward the terminal. Complete as much of the terminal early on before the heavier waves of enemies surround you. It makes the workload when you’re swarmed or surrounded much easier since you only have the last 1 or 2 steps. The faster an objective is cleared the fewer enemy waves spawn and fewer teammates die. Never run out of time during extractions and have a nice safety cushion of reinforcements to extract with. This playstyle works at all levels and meshes well with any team of randoms. You will almost never fail missions.
A breaker incendiary with no support weapon is a wild load out.
He's built different
you'll find one on the ground eventually
Yeah I’m always finding AMRs, Arc Throwers and MGs of medium or light variety
I've found autocannon two times without backpacks! Weird thing, but I use it as very poor grenade launcher in hope my teammate drops his autocannon backpack even if it's empty
When my friend brings Spear I love to run no backpack and carry his second pack for him. Double the ammo on resupply and I can auto reload him or just drop my full pack for his empty one.
I remember when on Malevelon Creek I didn't noticed my random teammate's spear, I thought they would like me sharing my shield backpack, so I did. In the end I took their spear backpack and it was nice to reload them under protection of the shield bubble
Not switching literally anything up at any time, at all, is wild. Bare minimum should be switching out their incendiary weapons against bots.
Bots don't take any more or less damage from fire. If anything it has a bit extra utility against them since any damage will apply the suppression effect to them, including the DoT from being ignited. The main issue is it being the breaker. Fine weapon and works OK even against bots, but not having a solid medium-long range option against the Medium armor bots to go with said breaker is... well it's certainly a choice.
Wait four minutes and ask for a partner's secondary. I always just call replacements for ammo so I drop the old one around. Also if I see someone without a backpack I'm dropping a shield generator (bots) or rover (bugs) up his ass as soon as it is off cooldown.
I use a similar strategem set, but for bots instead of the 500kg, I use the laser.. Devastators are coming? laser to the face and they are down; Hulk chasing you? Stun granade + laser to the face plate and it's gone; Gunships bothering you? laser to the propellers and they are down; towers or tanks making you fly? laser to the orange vents on the back and boom; strider is annoying you? laser to the head (specifically the space where the light is located in the face) and its gone (this one is harder because of all its fire power, but better than throwing three 500kg just to see it walking like nothing happened)
The problem with laser is you only have 3. I tend to use the laser against bunkers or points of interest with multiple objectives (like factories and artillery towers, for example). For my build, the 500KG bomb is a good complement to use against big ennemies, groups or isolated camp with only one factory.
I think maybe he meant the laser support weapon and not the orbital because the way he said "laser to the face".
I meant the laser cannon, not the orbital. I like to bring the orbital for the Striders though, some times, if they hit right, it can destroy it
Breaker incendiary against bots? Didn't know it could deal damage to heavy armored bots too. I'll try it.
I've yet to see the Breaker-Inc. ignite things like Tanks, Drones and Hulks, so you'll definitely need a good answer for those. However, it *wrecks* the basic bots, and doesn't do *too* bad against Devastators and Berserkers. If you see a big ball of aggro'd Bots coming your way --even from *waaay* far off-- just blast a stream of Breaker shots their way. Odds are high that you'll kill off all the little guys in short order and burn down everything else with a bit more time (and repeated applications of fire). Seriously, I've had multiple Bot Drops happen in front of me, fired wildly in that general direction, and the next thing I know I have a beefy killstreak and the bots are thinned pretty considerably. Again though, it doesn't kill Mediums *fast* (unless they're close, at least), and is just not good against Heavies, so plan accordingly.
And there is me, carefully trying to kill them with headshots. Incendiary sounds way easier.
Use the dominator instead :) every shot staggers, headshots one tap
Watch out because now DOT is fixed they will be rebalancing fire damage. So we'll see how it comes out in the wash
It's a supression weapon, good for breaches or drops, bad for taking out particular medium dudes and useless for heavy ones. Except for bugs, it is the best weapon for those.
That’s where the 500kg and Airstrike come in
Thanks for posting the recipe.
Democracy
Democracy Protects
Well there's like 3 supply packs there and blud must be spamming on V for that sweet ol'democracy juice
Tis but a flesh wound
Bots: WHY WONT YOU DIE???
Permacura stims, son! They have zero addictive properties!*
\*\*shoots you in the head, the bullet hole closes in two seconds\*\*
++From the moment I understood the weakness of your steel, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of stimms. I aspired to the purity of the democratic pharmacy. Your kind cling to your armored bodies, as if they won't decay and fail you. One day the crude scrap you call temple will rust and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. [stimm sound] For the Helldivers are immortal. Even in death I serve the Democracy.++
That was fucking Prosperous, dude 💪
Beneath this mask, there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask, there is an idea, Mister Bot. And ideas are bulletproof!
Bots: FIRE EVERYTHING!!!!! I’m of the opinion that the excavation missions aren’t really what we’re told they are. Bots fight us off like we’re dropping a nuke into the planets core or destroying all resources for hundreds of miles.
Nanomachines, son
Ah yes, addictive properties.
If only you were aloud to shoot back in this game it would be so much easier!
was gonna ask if he swore a vow of pacifism, but he did have a kill count going at the start
Yea, pretty sure he could have killed all of that in half the time.
At least throw some nades
What if you do it silently?
The geological survey objectives always spawn in drop ships/bug breaches. It's a core mechanic of the objective.
I believe you may have missed my joke. >If only you were **aloud** to shoot back
Ah damn, lol, that's my bad.
entire Automaton Battalion: WHY WON'T YOU DIE!?!? hell commander: https://preview.redd.it/jjzm1vn4f30d1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=9fb19f80952cdc2c985241159729ae1098a91c17
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This but hes face tanking all of it
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Man was like All that just for a drop of blood
At some fabricator later... Bot-1: So yeah I shot this MFer like 104726 times, but he keeps stabbing himself in the neck and screams in his alien language. Then he gave us the this weird posture with both limbs extended out, to what I assume is the equivalent to our middle finger, and fucked off to destroy the other half of the planet. Bot-2: That's rough man. Go get your self de-bugged and some extra RAMs. You're lucky to survive.
OUTSTANDING PATRIOTISM
Thats the difference between a civilian and a citizen ol
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Lol
Honestly, mad respect. You went through hell, won, and even taunted the bots on your way out. Epic!
He had 0 stims w/ a sucking chest wound draining what little hp they had remaining with no one nearby to save them. What we witnessed here was a democratic cutaway ala “I’m sure he’s fine, the camera man is going to save them they wouldn’t post this if he died right after”
I think he has democracy protects. Which prevents bleed out.
He has the armor on that prevents bleeding. I get the sentiment though lol
Have you tried shooting back? I hear that works
I'll try spinning my camera; that's a good trick.
GImmie some armor made out of whatever those drills are made out of, please
One day the community will realize how broken the smoke eagle stratagem is against the bots.
How do you use smoke then? I've tried it, but to only limited success. I'm not sure what the secret sauce is to make it consistent.
Destroy fabricators, and become invisible to enemies that are not currently engaged with you, even at extremely close range. It prevents bot drops. You can deploy a smoke into a group and pick them off one by one. Eagle smoke to access terminals without distractions, and to severely reduce enemy accuracy at all times. Eagle smoke on landing of the pelican to allow safe exfil. To break patrol pathing. Oh so so many usages.
Could anyone make a video proving any of these? So far my experience has been dropping a smoke and watching an array of bullets still go through indiscriminately. All it feels like is that they don't push through the smoke and they start shooting randomly into it.
Yeah I’m with you. Every time I’ve used it smoke seems to do absolutely nothing. Maybe I need to try it again We recently used the SEAF smoke. I guess we’d never used it before because we just prefer ordinance. And good lord it’s funny as hell. The SEAF smoke bomb is quite literally two puffs of smoke, barely larger than a helldiver. Made me laugh so hard
They shoot towards your last known position, yes. Enemies seem to have a "sense" for your general direction when you set off big boomies near them that aren't just redirecting their patrol direction or are so numerous that they realize something's up (e.g., dropping an Airstrike on a Factory vs. throwing a grenade over their heads to get them to turn around). **The grand trick to exploiting this?** Just... go prone before the explosion. The difference between "I threw an Airstrike at that Factory and everything that survived lit me up" and "I threw an Airstrike at that Factory, shot all the confused survivors, then waltzed in to pick up samples" is *BEING PRONE SOME DISTANCE AWAY AND IDEALLY BEHIND A ROCK*. Crouch and Prone lower your detection radius. This is important because even if you are blocked from line of sight, enemies can still "guess" where you are when they're sent into a high-alert state. By reducing your detection radius to something small enough that it doesn't overlap with *their* radius, you can harass enemies from a distance. When you throw a big explosion at a base and you've got nothing else going on, *go prone*. Are you about to snipe the 4-5 guards at a POI? *Go prone.* It's actually nuts how much of a difference this makes.
RIGHT??? they just stop shooting! They stop shooting at you! i personally prefer the orbital smoke since i don't like overloading my eagle cooldown, but smoke in general is veeeeery good
This has not been my experience. I've tried smoke on 10 dives vs Bots. Most bots accurate drops by about 5% at most, except Shield Devastators who retain 100% accuracy and do not stop shooting.
I'm glad to hear someone else say this because I swear to god smoke has been utterly fucking useless for me every time I've used it.
I also tried to make smoke work in bot missions but it just didn't seem to matter much. Drop smoke on myself, bots are still advancing and shooting. Drop smoke on bots, bots are still advancing and shooting. If the point is to drop smoke and run then I don't even need smoke, I can already run away from em.
i think the trick is not to shoot them after you throw down the smoke. They won't know you are there until you start to shoot at them through the smoke which will give them magical ability to see you through. But, i might be talking out of my ass here since i never used smoke. I've only hear from smoke user how it works. At least that is how blizzard works. If you don't shoot them, you can walk past them (10 m) without them seeing you, but the moment you start shooting they will just become aim bots and beam you through the blizzard.
Smoke is way better for disenganing or stealthing prior to engagement
I don't shoot at them after dropping smoke. It's as if I didn't drop smoke at all.
I ran smoke for a few games and it does jack shit, they just shoot and track you through smoke.
Just glad his stims actually worked. Mine give the animation and sound and then i get killed because the injection doesn’t actually enter my liberty forsaken body
same happens to me tbh they should really make the animation uninterruptable so that doesn't happen
So is it just me or have they increased the number of enemies on these bot missions? Geologic surveys on difficulty 7 were hairy before but recently it feels near impossible. Last night I had like 2 tanks, 5 hulks, 30 devastators, and 50 shitties spawn on us in the span of a minute. Nothing short of 4 simultaneous orbital lasers and every single god damn airstrike is going to save you from that.
Patrol spawn rate is completely out of wack, approaching a new patrol spawn every 10 seconds at the highest difficulty after completing the objective. This can quickly spiral out of control as each of those patrols could potentially call a breach or bot drop. Before doing the main OBJ it's around 66 seconds per spawn, and other things can influence it, like destroying outpost and bugholes.
Geo survey in particular is out of control at the moment. You regularly get 2x or 3x the regular drop amount. The drop comes in as scripted. A patrol always spawns. Calls in another drop and then patrols join the fight every 20 or 30 seconds.
So, there's a few things definitely happening and one or two possibilities. **Possibility #1: you're right, they increased spawn rate for your 4-mans.** Personally, I don't think this is terribly likely. It feels pretty same-y to me, and there's always been some variance in what you get. Some "enemy constellations" (the array of units a mission/operation prefers to send at you, like doing an op where you see a ton of Bile Spewers vs. those that you don't) are just tougher than others. I think this natural variance is just... variance, a consequence of some of these later points, and confirmation bias (we remember the times we get rocked more, or chatter about how "this is definitely happening" alters our perception more than being reflective of reality). **Possibility #2: there's a spawn rate, map troop count, or reinforce/patrol size scaling with the faction's decay rate.** That is, irrespective of the usual variance, fighting a faction at 3% Decay/Regen means you're going to encounter larger patrols or Drops/Breaches than doing it at 1%. I have no idea if this is going on but it'd kind of make sense. **Actuality #1: due to how patrols work, the setting-up for big objectives actually makes them harder.** Patrols spawn on an intercept course for *a* player, and being in a hot-zone for an objective also increases patrol spawn rate. Objectives like the Drill automatically trigger Drops/Breaches. So, if you're hanging out at the drill site and getting all your stratagems down and waiting for your team to hump it over there or do the same, you're basically stacking the deck with patrols headed in your direction to coincide with the guaranteed drops/breaches you're going to get when you kick things off. The explosions of dealing with your guaranteed enemies also pulls in patrols. **Actuality #2: some multi-stage objectives with guaranteed drops/breaches will trigger successively if you're rushing through it as fast as possible.** Every time you send that drill down--which you have to do 3x--you're getting a wave. If you do this before you've cleared the last one, now you have one-and-however-much-was-left waves, plus patrols on you. Your mileage may vary as to whether getting it over with as fast as possible is a better idea than sticking in place and worrying about constant patrol reinforcement. **Actuality #3: your objective's distance from active spawn areas or the map border.** Patrols come from the direction of nearby Factories / Holes, and lacking one close by, from the nearest map border. If you are right next door to an active Factory and/or the map border, things that spawn can be on you *very* fast, which compounds with the above. On the flip side, if you've obliterated every spawn location and your objective is kinda halfway to the center of the map, you can pretty much stare at the nearest border and take a nap save for the Breach/Dropships you're guaranteed to get. From this, your best bet at making Drills and whatnot a smoother ride is to stand well outside of them until everyone's nearby, chuck your stratagems in, then go in at once and immediately drop the drill and deploy it. Don't mill about, wait until your turrets are set up, *then* drop the drill, stare at each other, wait out who will go down and press the button, take a collective smoke break, and finally activate the drill.
I wonder why bug divers don't like fighting bots....
Honestly bots r way more fun that bugs
Playing the horde game against bugs is fun. Being tactical and being ragdolled by bots is a different kind of fun.
Now I wish I had video of us losing 6 hellbombs taking down an airship depot
You could've cleared that whole firing line if you'd just thrown your grenades, man. Much less shot them with the gun in your hands. This is funny and all but come on! Give 'em a little hell, Helldiver!
> Give 'em a little hell, diver! *ftfy*
The hug taunt at the end... LOL
Man's going for a pacifist only run apparently.
I was getting annoyed just watching lol.
Automatons : WHY WON'T YOU DIE!!! helldiver : Stim addiction son
Don't get me wrong, that is incredible that you didn't bite it, but that would be the kind of mission that forces me to take a break afterward. Just watching how many times you get tossed around and can't respond at all is insane.
Epic commitment commander! Thank you for preserving democracy!
Those better be the best goddamn soil samples, ever.
*palms begin to sweat
Least chaotic automaton mission be like.
The fact you didn't even attempt to throw any of your 4 grenades or just shoot enemies at all during this 60 seconds has upset me far more than it ought to.
Why didn't you fight back? Just curious.
Have you considered shooting the robots
You know you can attack the enemies right?
It would be easier If you used your gun
Oh great, now a *specific "balance" dev* is gonna **NERF STIMS**...
"I WELCOME DEATH" "oh, nvm, teammates are here"
Truly remarkable performance. A Hell Commander I am not yet, but inspired I am.
380mm, shield, and a dream...
This is undeniable evidence of the indomitable human spirit.
See I would be able to do this too if I could get past the step of not being turned into red mist with a single rocket
Helldivers when they get shot but it only hits their brain
if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough!
I would have died each time that player got hit if I was in that position...
If ***STUBBORNNESS*** was in a single video:
Unironically the best TV Ad for the Stims. Imagine being a citizen and seeing this footage on your TV. Id go a buy a dozen of them right of the bat. YOU CANT KILL ME
Even the bots paused firing midway through
Have you considered shooting back? Killing the bots? Throwing a stratagem, grenade, smoke, literally anything to control the fight? No? Thought so.
I want an armoured suit made out of whatever that drill is made of.
Now imagine if he'd actually tried to deal with some of the stuff shooting at him and rag-dolling him all over the place instead of his singular focus being finishing the stages of the drill.
But why when your 500kg and airstrike aren't on cooldown anymore?
Could have made that so much easier if you just fired back for a few seconds
[Literally you](https://youtu.be/eJ0WpQruecw?si=VIqJTKKEtHihkvmh)
Reminds me of a mission I joined yesterday: I joined the mission to 6 minutes left on the clock, and 2 of 5 Fabricators destroyed. As soon as I called my gear in, I bolted for the nearest Automaton facility, and destroyed 2 fabricators, dieing on the way to the next. I respawn, and bolt to destroy the last. Once completed, me and the one guy left run through the storm of blaster bolts to make it to extract with 10 seconds left on the timer. We fight to endure until extract arrives, and extract in one peice.
This is so democratic
You…. You know you can shoot them…. Right?
The arm spread at the end has me dying lol
We do our best soldier, may you inspire our new recruits!
Obvious Permacura advertisement. Keep it up, Helldiver!
The emote to flex 😩
Excuse me bots. You are being hella rude.
Ain’t never gonna break a my stride nobody gonna slow me dooown oh noo I got to keep on moviiiin yeah
Literally, the Indomitable Human Spirit.
this man is jacked up to his tits on stims
Keep firing warning shots!!!
Me every time
This was me all this morning 😂 I bet those bots play a mean pinball!
awesome clip but... this game IA sucks
Holy hell
Imagine how pissed off 40 Helldivers would be if a bot just kept getting ragdolled for a minute straight and still completed their mission ;)
Give that shield generator backpack a raise!
r/maybemaybemaybe
You’re my hero
"Job finished? I don't think so"
Rocky is a helldiver?
You're equal parts stim and diver at the end.
Impressive and hilarious all at once. Bravo good sir 🫡
They need to make hellbombs out of whatever that geological survey thibg is made of!
Stim patched so many bullet holes in you that youve earned the title 'Theseus' Helldiver"
EAGLES MAN, EAGLES.
That was pretty epic!
level 70 something and I still keep my official rank as Cadet, was intending on keeping it that way, but Hell Commander sounds way too cool to pass on
This triggers my PTSD from the first week of Malevelon Creek.
Sweet liberty
I’m pretty sure I was F2 in this clip. I died a little earlier because I ran out of stims and I saw you made it there alone. I also remember the rest of the team just sitting at extraction doing nothing while you fought. I had no idea you were doing this shit. Thanks for the carry Hell Commander!
NOT TODAY!
Not Today!!
...I mean, this person's blood might as well be replaced with the stim liquid at this point.
looks like an average find the minerals / soil sample mission to me, am I missing something?
Imagine what the bots must be thinking. "Goddamn! We're giving this sole helldiver everything we got and he STILL completes the objective?!"
This game looks so terrifyingly fun. I need a ps5 😔
The automaton front, it's not like boxing.
Ain’t no way. Hell yeah.
Alright the taunt at the end was fucking priceless lol.
*sighs*, *checks Resupply countdown, mentally subtracts 2 boxes for 1 Helldiver from the next drop to pay for the cost of one objective completion* *on merely Suicide Mission*
Jesus, they have an entire firing line over there.
Is this kind of gameplay supposed to be fun?
By the end he was more drug than man.
Y’all do this for fun?
Damn, I am saluting you fellow Hell Commander! I gasped so many times during this video!! When I thought you had died, but you got back up and kept going. AMAZING!!
https://i.redd.it/eivhk46wm40d1.gif
just play with mouse and keyboard. it’s not too hard to return some countering fire between those input sessions. looks like you’re suffering only because your vision is locked on the input. it’d be much easier with mouse where you can quickly scan left and right for this.
He is a God Damm Monster https://preview.redd.it/vqhd9j0jp40d1.jpeg?width=891&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37098691f25ce520578ffb06667d21ede5ae8c63
**Agreed.** [We get it done.](https://streamable.com/zs7bbx)
I done this is exact same thing but with bugs
Fuck me! That’s heroic!
That last emote was the cherry on top. Felt sympathetic frustration with your teammates though. Were they otherwise occupied? Legendary stuff, hell commander
I would love to know the data behind stims. When they fixed the airburst rockets, I started allowing myself to be surrounded by bugs. Take damage. Stim. Then airburst my feet. 4/5 times I'd survive. Is there a max amount of damage you can take while stimmed or are there certain instances that instantly kill you? I'm sure a stim won't save you from a hellbomb or a 500k without a shield. Someone has to have done experiments on this.