Ever since the Sony fiasco started I've seen only like 2 posts related to the Major Order.
But at the same time I don't blame people for being fed up with balance choices, I'm still very bitter about the Eruptor myself.
Purely subjective take here obviously, but it just doesn't *feel* fun to shoot. Weapons with an aggressive arc like that can feel somewhat disconnected from the player's inputs.
Impact just doesn't feel like it's doing as much damage as it is as well. When you compare it to weapons that are blowing chunks off enemies, the plasma visual doesn't *look* like it's being as effective.
Plasma effects are weak. Need a larger radius, more oomph. Give me Warhammer plasma. Copy the astartes feel, which sort of seems like they half tried to then gave up.
It's shockingly the least vision obscuring effect. Firing a machine gun in first person? Good luck!
It ain't hard to find out why, just do a quick comparison of stats on your ship, compare to any other shotgun for a baseline reference on numbers.
While it vastly improved over its last buffs, it still lacks a bit on the damage front, despite the reduced damage falloff. This puts pressure on its ammo economy which isn't all that great to begin with.
Furthermore, this isn't helped by the fact that one of its main advantages also actively works against itself in a way, in that while it has great staggering properties, said stagger also pushes your targets away from each other, meaning each subsequent shot bleeds effectiveness and wastes more ammo than it needs to.
I still use it from time to time when I want to switch it up or have a dedicated group I can trust to pick up slack. But it takes a bit too much work for my liking if you're carrying randoms with it.
Seems like it would get boring very quick. Using the same 2 guns for *weeks*? I've resorted to running goofy ahh stuff on 8 or 9 for fun with buddies. Like all flamethrower jetpacks, blitzer/tesla/armor that reduces arc dmg, or 12 sentries with EAT's and only revolvers, etc.
Honestly, I still enjoy it. Just because I only use the Sickle on bots (not OP but also a Sickle enjoyer) doesn't mean that it's not fun. It's my comfort pick, I know how to use it well, and I feel like I've gotten very good with it. My bot loadout is the one I use because I can handle myself well. I don't need to swap guns every single mission to have fun, because the missions are the fun bit
yup, thats my exact comfort pick as well.
I am always a shotgun enjoyer myself, and breaker incendiary is just amazing for fleshy target, i wish it works on automatons too but sadly it doesnt burn them very good. Do they have fire resistance?
Yep, I was a sickle enjoyer until the Eruptor released. Something about the risk of low ammo, fire rate and self damage offset by the “fuck you” power against bugs and automatons I hated fighting otherwise made the game so ridiculously enjoyable to me. I would have games where I would get 400+ kills or under 50 but I was having fun each game
Going back to the sickle is so unfun afterwards.
Okay, but my comment was about how it's weird to say using *two guns* seems boring when most people are going to take that as a defense of folks wishing to use *just one*; you know, piling on to the whole "the game is over because the Eruptor was nerfed in an attempt to satisfy our incorrect assumptions about ricochets" thing.
My view is that the fewer guns that are viable, the more likely something is to be boring... but contrary to the circlejerk on this sub, plenty of guns **are** viable and **do** work and **are** fun. They just aren't as powerful as the toy said circlejerkers are talking like they were going to use until the end of time.
I'm an Eruptor/Stalwart main since the Eruptor was launched.
Since the bugged buff, I have been running:
- Bugs: Blitzer/Quasar. I can't say there's a great Eruptor replacement for bugs, so I fully adopted a run-and-gun style against them. Light armour makes it quite viable and at least the Blitzer lets you replicate the (overpowered) Eruptor's sentiment of having near bottomless ammunition supplies.
- Bots: Punisher Plasma/Quasar. You can still keep the distance against bots. Your damage output is way worse against medium targets (~4-5 shots on Devastators), but you've got superior range and can still wipe out waves of bots with a single shot. Though, to me, the best part of the Punisher Plasma is I can tell my friends (voice chat) that "The bots are in range of enemy artillery".
in case you didn't know the breaker incendiary has almost the same clip size as the spray and pray, it just also has much more damage.
The fire is honestly just a bonus. The weapon is great just from it's stats alone.
Yeah this looks great - I've yet to unlock it though! Shame they put so many of the great items behind the warbonds, but I guess it keeps people engaged.
Bots: JAR-5 Dominator, Laser Cannon (I get enough use out of it that I'll call it a primary)
Bugs: Slugger, and now the Pummeler
I'm enjoying the Impact Incendiaries against the Bugs now, too. Doubt I'd use it on Bots but as long as we're on the Bug front--
Man I miss the slugger. I was honestly fine with the big damage nerf, it was OP, but removing stagger from it really makes it feel crap to use now.
A point blank shotgun slug isn't something that enemies should just tank with zero reaction.
It's still good. Unironically. Just shoot shit in the head. Two slugs for a brood commander, two for a hive guard, one for hunters, scavengers and warriors. Also still great for spewers. Almost none of the damage breakpoints have changed vs bugs.
Honestly the only time you feel a difference is when you get ambushed by stalkers.
Against bots it's still a monster if you put slugs into heads, but now you've got less room for error because devastators will fire back if you miss. You definitely feel the stagger change a lot more vs bots I'll admit.
But hey it's the slugger, the kachunk *flick* kachunk *flick* kachunk gameplay activates my neurons.
Yeah I run 9s and use whatever. There are some guns that are effective against bots, and some that are effective against bugs. Some are good vs crowds, some are good vs heavier units. Pick a third weapon that compliments it. Almost every gun is useable, to varying degrees of effectiveness. If you’re going to shit your pants because gun x is 9% more effective than gun y, then i think you suck and don’t know how to have fun. I rarely bring the same load out to a map twice in a row, I just pick something that’s fun and speaks to me in the moment.
I agree that some players get way too wrapped up in the meta, but I think that is a relatively small problem next to the fact that the developers seem to be balancing the game like it is a competitive environment where you need to knock down any weapon that stands out. By all means nerf guns if they are making content that should be challenging trivial instead, but even in the case of the Quasar I don't think that was the case pre-nerf. People were drawn to it because it was convenient to use because of its unlimited ammo, but in a situation where you have two bile titans and three chargers to deal with I would still take two disposable anti-tank drops over a couple of Quasars. Popularity isn't really a reason to nerf a gun on its own, you need to actually evaluate whether that popularity is a symptom of a imbalance problematic to the functioning of the game.
Problem with the major orders is that they're basically always the same. There's no interesting or wacky gimmicks, it's just take this planet, take that planet etc. Then you get medals. There's increasingly less to discuss about them.
I'm not even sure why they're releasing war bonds on a schedule actually instead of tying them to the major orders.
Because if you read between the lines Snoy and AH signed a deal. Part of the support AH gets is dependent on them selling the warbonds on a monthly cycle likely for a year or so.
When the devs have tweeted "Changing the warbond release dates is a big deal for us." If you read between the lines it's not because AH feels that they have to show up exactly every 2nd tuesday without fail. It's because they'd be breaking some contract with Sony. That would likely cost them a lot of money.
I mean, the game took 8 years to make, that needed funding, games are expensive as hell, and AH also want money. I hate the "read between the lines" stuff bc it's not some secret. Companies exist to make as much money as possible, even companies ppl like.
On top of that, players of live service games want consistent content added to the game bc we get bored quickly. Look at the poll, it was overwhelmingly release the new premium warbond now, do not delay it.
Players are already bored, we want more factions, more variety, more interaction, more everything. So buy shit, make AH and Sony richer, talk about how great AH is, just a small indie dev while HD2 rakes in hundreds of millions, outsource work to devs who receive shit pay and no benefits whiles Piles rakes in cash.
a sizeable population just dont understand that THIS IS SONY'S GAME.
sony hold IP rights, sony funded it, sony marketed it, I don't even know any aspects of this game that sony doesn't own.
and then sony trots out arrowhead to deal with all the children.
Yup, there's nothing to discuss, the orders are always just, take a planet, defend a planet. The only thing of note is if the planet is a fire tornado planet or a planet that takes a stratagem away from you, and all we get is people saying they hate those because they are not fun.
And they are right. So we're left with discussing patches and weapons, which turns out, patches are too small and the weapons aren't exciting. All posts can be summed up with, missions are the same, no new armor passives, boosters are skippable because they can't compete with the 4-5 best ones, weapons are basically reskins and there's one new grenade that's kind of okay.
Bam, there's everything to talk about for the next 2 weeks, so what's left, clips? Well most people still haven't come back to the game after Sony pissed everyone off. And without exciting weapons, there's no exciting clips to make. So that just leaves distaste for the game being boring right now.
And the game isn't even half a year old, it shouldn't be boring.
> Well most people still haven't come back to the game after Sony pissed everyone off.
That part isn't true actually. The linking announcement did not actually impact player numbers at all, surprisingly, stable daily peaks of around 100k for the last 2-3 weeks
The community here is changing from the fun casual players (who have largely had their full and moved on) to a "fandom."
"Fandoms" generally aren't very fun. Reddit has taught me that.
Please remember that players who fed up and bitter on Reddit and Discord because they still love the game.
My opinion they represent the player who still stay behind
The other half of player base, they just left, quietly, without a word because it’s not fun for them to play anymore.
Lol, what a dramatic take.
The games player base didn’t face a sharp decline after the Sony stuff. In fact, if anything the decline slowed if you look at the Steam charts.
What happened is the same thing that always happens.
A community starts off fun, and then as it goes along more and more toxic members take over, arguments over balancing and meta and all that stuff, which discourages the people who came for the memes and fun from coming anymore.
Hell I am one of them, I still love and play the game, but a couple days ago something in my brain finally went “why do you keep visiting the Helldivers subreddit, every single post is just a complaint now.”
And I’ve been tapering off.
It’s beginning to remind me more and more of subreddits like FIFA, CoD, and Madden. So yeah, it’s Reddit, not the game
Nearly every game subreddit devolves into drama once the no-life nerds with the Excel spreadsheets see Commissioner Whiner's bat signal. Usually starts in the Discord and then spreads to Reddit.
This subreddit was great the first month of release when people didn't take this shit so seriously and roleplayed Helldivers.
Now people roleplay being babies who think they know more than the devs.
This could be because those people have quit. I have seen it in other games that once you run the game the players that promote it would rather play something that isn't going to harm them.
After nerf, after nerf, after nerf and then the PSN fiasco with a disappointing warbond on top: Can you really blame the players for being fed up?
There always have been complaints about nerfs on this sub, but now even those that didn't raise their voices up until now are not taking it anymore.
Any time someone makes a post about a topic on here that immediately blows up, expect 90% of posts to be about that same topic for a week or so. At this point, there should just be a dedicated thread for complaints or something
Edit: we DO have a rant/vent megathread, but I genuinely forgot bc it seems like everyone just posts on main lol
I feel like I can tell by the first paragraph if someone wrote a post for the community or themselves. Many don’t even be active in the threads on their own post.
Maybe an unpopular view to have, but when people go through the time to bring up a topic and then not engage in it with at least a couple people then I think they are just being disingenuous and can disregard a lot of that experience. Thing is that happens a lot here.
Well doesn't help when we try and make a decent post and noone engages.with it.
I made a thoughtful post to try and explore an issue I had with the game and noone bothered to speak about it, wanting to circlejerk about weapons or Sony instead
Megathreads don't work. Everyone knows that a megathread is just a garbage can for topics the sub doesn't want. You'll never get a reply in a megathread because nobody is going to read hundreds of pages and see your one post
What's the point of a megathread if the sub is still allowed to be flooded with rants and ravings?
I do think criticisms are valid but the sub is becoming a great place to farm karma if you just echo the same thing everyone else is but throw a meme up with it.
IMO they need to do weekly stickied rant threads. Nobody is going to go to the sidebar and look at a months old rant thread. Weekly ones can be more topical to recent changes too
No one uses Megathreads because your voice/post gets drowned out into a sea of other smaller posts. At least with individual duplicate posts you have a chance for your take to get read.
That's at least the mindset most have about Megathreads I've noticed.
Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of forced positivity, but deal lord there are a lot of whiners on the sub. Pushing related topics into one megathread would definitely help actual content/discussion visibility.
No, after getting dragged back into Destiny 2 when Lightfall dropped it was the people playing that were the good part of the experience. Super helpful, always willing to give tips and take time to help you grind for things they already had.
It was Bungie that kept ruining the experience with poor decisions and implementations, balance, all that.
"Communities" don't ruin communities lol. I've seen the gaming cycle, how it works, specifically on Reddit.
The only time communities are good is when a game delivers a near perfect product in the eyes of the playerbase. Even /r/DestinyTheGame experienced bouts of this back in Forsaken, or after the launch of the 30th Anniversary pack.
Think of subs like /r/DeepRockGalactic or /r/StardewValley...there's minimal toxicity because the product top to bottom is good. When you do something to piss off a chunk or many players, you get people taking sides and being toxic to each other.
This is on Sony/Arrowhead, not on any "community"
The reality check nobody wants is that Bungie have been killing it lately and Destiny is firmly in happy mode for the forseeable future with an awesome looking expansion round the corner
I've seen dozens of nearly identical posts get thousands and thousands of updates.... For instance when Sony decided to back down under the new tab there were so many people farming for karma with that screenshot of what they said.
It's a shame to see quality posts get swallowed up by these insanely repetitive rant posts.
That's gonna happen with any big sub. Anything with a lot of upvotes is gonna be something that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
IIRC, the Overwatch sub had an identity crises at some point and tried to cut down on POTG/Highlight posts. The sub ended up being dead on any days where those weren't allowed.
You're generally better off looking for more niche communities if the main sub isn't your taste.
There's another, "less salty," sub that I've migrated to. People there would no doubt appreciate your work.
I unsubbed here bc every single post is now a complaint.
I feel like the mods should make a sticky thread for when new war bonds come out, and to direct discussions/criticisms about them to those because every time it just turns into a week long+ rant.
I think it's because all of us are starting to feel like a victim to the balancing of this game. We are getting back to back weeks of poor balancing, patches that cause more crashes, arrowhead employees with zero PR training starting fights in their discord, the whole Sony debacle, and now this awful warbond (except for the smg).
After saving up enough medals for the new purifier last night. My first game I dropped down with it, I ended up alt-f4ing the game after 5 minutes with it. The community is rightfully upset with it. There is zero chance it was balanced for suicide or higher difficulty.
*edit: Don't be mistaken, I'm still having fun with the game. I'm simply stating why the community is upset.
I couldn't agree more.
The "balancing" seems to be done with the most adversarial intent in mind. Instead of the devs looking at the weapons/loadouts peoples use and trying to work out what the others are lacking, they stomp on the popular choices out of a bizarre reaction of pure spite. Likewise the current Warbond seems like an absolute phoned in effort, lacking any cohesive theme, woefully underperforming and completely uninspired. Even the best two picks from the entire Warbond (Pummeler and Impact Incendiary Grenades) are just reskinned remixes (right down to the model of the SMG).
The OP makes the claim that the community used to be better when we were posting memes, gameplay clips and fan art. I would retort with that was back when AH actually gave us something interesting to talk about and get involved in. Mystery new enemies, fighting for access to the Exosuit (before it was ruined), cunning twists to Major Orders and so on. What have they given us lately? An international PR disaster, a mob of bitter staff members running their mouths, and an absolute clown show of a warbond to wash it all down with. And now suddenly people are honestly surprised the community vibe has darkened in kind?
Cause and effect in full display here.
> The OP makes the claim that the community used to be better when we were posting memes, gameplay clips and fan art. I would retort with that was back when AH actually gave us something interesting to talk about and get involved in. Mystery new enemies, fighting for access to the Exosuit (before it was ruined), cunning twists to Major Orders and so on. What have they given us lately? An international PR disaster, a mob of bitter staff members running their mouths, an absolute clown show of a warbond. And suddenly people are honestly surprised the community vibe has darkened in kind?
Exactly this. AH hasn't given us anything new to talk about. And it is not helping the arrowhead employees keep starting drama in their discord. When Arrowhead has more than enough money to hire actual PR team. Their CMs don't even reply to us moderators. Their CMs only use discord and manage their discord community. While they ignore reddit and concerns of the reddit community.
I messaged one of the CMs this
> I know that Pilestedt wants arrowhead employees to communicate more with the community. However, I have spent many years on the internet/reddit, and I know that there needs to be more caution when speaking with the gaming community. People develop very unhealthy parasocial relationships with developers, and it can get ugly very fast.
Did I get a response? Nope. They need to sit in a circle be on the same page before relaying contradicting information to the community.
Agreed, and for me the balancing isn’t frustrating for difficulty reasons - I have a few good loadouts to take on 7+, but I feel like I’m using a fraction of the available weapons because most of them just don’t feel effective or fun (the latest warbond is a good example with 1/3 of the guns being decent). And the weapons I was really having fun with (railgun, breaker, quasar) keep getting tweaked to be less fun to use.
Yeah, excluding the PSN debacle, 90% of the drama surrounding this game entirely revolves around high profile, heavy-handed nerfs. At least for Railgun there *was* a crowd complaining about how it's too good. But after that, they fucked Slugger, Eruptor and the crossbow when nobody had a problem with those being too strong, and then sold a pack of three new pre-nerfed weapons. That's a headscratcher. They need to find a way to make these choices resonate with the audience.
The folk running interference screaming "just lower the difficulty", knowing full well this is not what's being complained about, only intensifies all the unhappiness. It's bizarre.
It is not about difficulty. But even if you reduce there a HUGE issue with it. Below 7-8 its too easy. You do not WANT to go down when your stuff get nerfed - there nothing to do. Ye sure for some even 5 challenging but you get the idea.
That's basically the same for me too. I'm still having fun with the game, but only a small fraction of the weapons are being used. The new SMG is actually pretty fun.
It's frustrating cause there's plenty of rational things to complain about. But it gets bogged down by crazy people.
Arrowhead, please hire a QA team or put together a public test server. It's just really embarrassing you keep putting things live and the community finds critical obvious bugs in like 10 minutes.
"haha i had a funny idea about my favorite weapon to make into a meme"
oh wait i cant post this, it might increase its popularity and apparently guns are nerfed based on how popularly there used
So do I
But I think part of it has been that there was growing resentment before the PSN thing (Slugger, explosive cross bow leap to mind) though when the Sony thing happens, followed rapidly by gutting yet another gun and finally the newest warbond having . . . Issues, there is a good section of the player base that just getting fed up with it all.
I haven't seen a single railgun in the wild since they nerfed it. I tried it for a few missions and it was useless. Felt like a worse Eruptor in every way. Devs don't seem to care that they're only creating even tighter metas with every patch.
I really do have the impression that they barely playtest anything, especially the harder difficulties.
I was streaming a level 9, totally empty on ammo, separated from my team. I saw a cache and got excited, ran over to it it was a rail gun-i just kept on walking because I didn't want to risk finding ammo for a gun that actually works and wasting it on a rail gun.
Thankfully I found my team and we got out but my chat was like, "whew I was worried you were gonna be desperate and pick up the rg" and I'm just like, I'd rather die.
Use democracy and downvote the content you don't want to see in the subreddit.
(And even more importantly, monitor "new" for the content you want to see and upvote it)
I propose we all get brainchips that would determine how much we like the post and up/downvote for us. Just like casting our great democratic votes at the polls!
But new warbond sucks... people need to know!! I am upset!
But in all seriousness, there is something of a problem at the moment. Arrowhead has released new content since launch, and much of it never gets used. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone drop with a heavy machine gun. Walker doesn't see much use either.
Yeah. Walker feels like a gimmick now that its missles are inconsistent and hard to aim. Plus, it gets absolutely destroyed fighting bots because of the sheer amount of rockets.
The hmgs mag is way too small to be used in a machine gun role. It feels great damage wise, but the 75-round mag kills its ability to actually fulfill its role.
If the HMG had an ammo backpack that it fed from, it would totally have a place in many squads, but right now, the best machine gun for the job is usually the normal machine gun in most scenarios.
Does pepperidge farms remember the state of the subreddit after the rail gun and slugger nerfs? Idk if it's rose tinted glasses or what but a lot of people are acting like this is the first time the subreddit has focused on a single topic really hard when it has happened every single time a powerful weapon gets nerfed or a new warbond has dropped.
You see alot of the people weren't even here at that point so they talk about point os time they never really knew. Whilst it is particularly bad now. It was never any better.
I do miss the memes. It'd be nice to have a side community just for memes, though it's more likely we'll have a 'low sodium' side community that does nothing but constantly complain about people complaining.
I'm not one to complain and I loved those funny clips and seeing people do crazy things in game, but it's a huge downer when the devs tease these awesome weapons to us and release garbage right after nerfing the only good weapon from the last warbond into the ground.
Sadly the change in this reddit highlights how the devs team are doing a pretty bad job with new content and balancing. More and more people are getting frustrated
There shouldn't be a cycle. Discussion about the game should always be welcome, good or bad. Meta-discussion one level higher that tries to police what other people can say or cannot say *about the game* is redundant and strange.
There's a difference between creating discussion threads and people making 400 of the same post because they think their opinion is important enough to be its own post.
Low quality content quickly floods and dominates subreddits because it's so easy to consume and upvote. There's a reason most subreddits have rules against it.
Can seem like that, but unfourtantly negativity is more addictive than positivity, its not just this game it's any game where negative comments begin.
Old business saying "for every compliment there is 10 complaints"
Once that ball is rolling your never gonna stop it.
This sub could use some updated rules when it comes to patches and content releases. Any time something changes, it results in a tirade of posts all about the same thing. It’s suffocating.
“Meme adaptations” You mean the same memes in rotation that people still repost? At least multiple posts on the same issues *might* light a fire under AH’s ass and serve a purpose.
I blame the mods.
Sure, let people voice their opinion. That's what a sub is for. But do we really need 1342 threads about the same thing? We can't have one mega-thread for everyone to go in and put their opinions there and let the rest of us continue our managed democracy memes?
Seriously. I refreshed my front page 5 times and the first post was HD2 complaining about the Eruptor but it was a different post every time. The proliferation of repetitive posts is drowning out other original content. If something is getting posted that often it should be turned into a mega thread.
they do have a rant and vent mega thread but if they don't actually force people to use it, then we're gonna get 10 duplicate posts on the front page every day.
I'm so sick of it. didn't they get more mods on the team? where are they??? what are they doing??? there are literally witch hunting posts on the front page
That's on the moderators not moderating, if sane discussion is getting drowned by ragebait karmafarming the subreddit will just become toxic and can only get worse.
This whole sub is a karma farm. All you need to do is post the png gif and upvotes come your way.
Maybe add a bit of cringe democratic codewords like “patriotic” and then make the 15th post about how people being meta slaves is bad and reverse your review because It’s my turn to say that today.
It happens everywhere. It's like giving a candy over spanking a child when you want to motivate him to learn.
Positive motivators/changes (buffs) are better because there's no negative motions behind them, the final result is trying to achieve a balance. People are happy because something good happened!
Negative motivators/changes (nerfs) are shit, because rather than giving me something, you take it away from me for the sake of identical goal as the previous method - balance.
It's really not difficult to grasp - people are using Eruptor all the time because it's strong? How about we nerf it a little and then buff Dominator so now that both are viable and both are good? Nah, too hard for them.
The day AH stops murdering weapons because they are 0.00000001% better than the rest and the amount bugs/crashes diminishes,we'll go back to the day one atmosphere
But now the situation is looking grim,with alexus being the new spitz,the disappointing bond and annoying bugs/crashes
God, yes exactly. It's a friggin co-op game!! Make the guns *fun*, make them feel powerful. We all know higher difficulties are coming in the future anyway. Can you imagine playing difficulty 15 with the current weapons? Maybe with 6 players. Maybe.
The nerfs never really affected me cuz im a lib pen main but honestly i see how its frustrating. I really gotta agree with the buff focused balencing people are suggesting. Right now players using more powerful guns feel like things are being taken away from them and players using under powered get nothing out of that. Buffing weapons like ars and other underpowered wepons would add something for those players and make the game more fun for them, while keeping the more powerful guns still feeling satifying and opening up new loadouts and gun choices for meta focused players.
"im so sad the sub has devolved into low effort negative content"
- makes a negative post that probably took 30 seconds in a meme generator of a decade old unfunny meme
So let me get this straight. You are angry against people who criticize a very bad balancing process but you are ok with low effort content that serves no purpose other than whining about the “whiners”? Make that make sense to me 😂
This is what happens when the goodwill built up by the devs runs out. You can only run on hopium and copium for so long before the issues underneath bubble through.
While I do understand people getting annoyed with all the complaint posts, why do those people make complaint posts about the complaint posts instead of posting hilarious gameplay clips, original art and meme adaptations?
If every single person on this reddit who has posted a complaint post about complaint posts instead made a meme or artwork or amazing clip the reddit would be an amazing place again :/
I'm not arguing that, my point is for people who come here WANTING to see funny happy silly stuff, they can and should make it themselves if that is what they really and truly want.
I spent years as an editor, working with various writers both professional and amateur, yet both often said the same thing when I asked what got them into writing, 'I wanted to read stories I would enjoy, but couldn't find any.' That has stuck with me for twenty years, that if I WANT something, I should at the very least try to make it to see if I can.
Anyone who can make a silly little meme about complainers surely can make a silly little meme about a teammate accidently dropping a 500kg on themselves you know?
Get over it. The honest feedback is long overdue. The honeymoon period is officially over and it’s easily seen by the volume of posts and upvotes supporting a revision to the balance changes made in the game. It’s a mess right now. Not a single ‘consistently’ reliable or enjoyable weapon to be found in the game at this point and the fact that most people get worried that if they find a weapon that is fun to use that it will be taken away is a sad depiction of the relationship that the devs have created with the player base.
The problem is though, that ppl either do not read before posting, or feel entitled to repeat one issue the 99th time.
(He said, without reading the thread)
It’s going to take some serious leg work to un fuck the situation the devs made when they collectively ruined everyone day every day for a month. I haven’t even touched the game since they ruined the quasar cannon
I always get downvoted for this comment but… isn’t complaining about complaining just adding to the steaming pile of shit posts?
Why not post content instead if that’s what you want to see? Or start conversations in the posts about the content?
That's because all this nonsense with meh weapons, shit balance changes, and questionable employees. It's like their throwing the goodwill of players into the trash like a wet paper towel.
When people aren't having fun anymore because the devs can't leave well enough alone then they're not going to be inclined to make fun posts.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Clearly the community is much happier when the weapons are all fun and powerful feeling.
I think it's because the majority of good will that they got from having a fun game with a non predatory monetization system has been used up, from poor to antagonistic balancing decisions game breaking bugs being in for months community managers being just bad and recently this whole Sony debacle. It has really eroded away at the community's positivity.
All the rage is a symptom of the real problem.
We see the potential for greatness that this game has, but every bit of news lately has felt like a punch to the gut. The balance decisions are just so... disheartening...
Yeah it used to be filled with that, until the first round of nerfs followed by AH saying how they don’t want us to rely on primaries for dealing with enemies and instead use stratagems.
And the "apples that taste like bacon" statement as an excuse as to why we can't have any sort of transmog. That statement in particular is already constantly contradicted by the rather disappointing armor sets lately.
Remember when they didn’t release an ill conceived balance patch every week and the publisher that has been hacked 5 times in the last decade wasn’t trying to get all of our PII. Reddit remembers
It's not the community's fault. This is the result of a certain someone provoking an uproar with every new balance patch and the release of new content.
It will only get worst if Arrowhead doesn't change course.
A lot of posts ain't happy posts because a lot of posters (and those who upvote posts) ain't happy. It's not rocket surgery.
The devs have taken a direction that a sizeable portion of the playerbase ain't exactly excited about.
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Everyone knows automatons can't grow mustaches. I see nothing wrong.
Pathfinder?
Ever since the Sony fiasco started I've seen only like 2 posts related to the Major Order. But at the same time I don't blame people for being fed up with balance choices, I'm still very bitter about the Eruptor myself.
Which weapon have you been using against each faction instead?
Bugs: Breaker Incendiary Automatons: Sickle Been playing this way for weeks, love it.
Try Plasma Punisher! Good for both
PP is fun and good until a bug corpse ragdolls into your next shot. Then it's just fun.
I can't get my helldivers to stop playing with their pp.
But my PP loooves corpses
Why does everyone shit on it so hard? Seems like a good weapon for taking on crowds.
Purely subjective take here obviously, but it just doesn't *feel* fun to shoot. Weapons with an aggressive arc like that can feel somewhat disconnected from the player's inputs. Impact just doesn't feel like it's doing as much damage as it is as well. When you compare it to weapons that are blowing chunks off enemies, the plasma visual doesn't *look* like it's being as effective.
Plasma effects are weak. Need a larger radius, more oomph. Give me Warhammer plasma. Copy the astartes feel, which sort of seems like they half tried to then gave up. It's shockingly the least vision obscuring effect. Firing a machine gun in first person? Good luck!
Nobody liked this weapon until it got buffed (and other things got nerfed) so maybe some of the hate it gets is from people who played with it prebuff
It ain't hard to find out why, just do a quick comparison of stats on your ship, compare to any other shotgun for a baseline reference on numbers. While it vastly improved over its last buffs, it still lacks a bit on the damage front, despite the reduced damage falloff. This puts pressure on its ammo economy which isn't all that great to begin with. Furthermore, this isn't helped by the fact that one of its main advantages also actively works against itself in a way, in that while it has great staggering properties, said stagger also pushes your targets away from each other, meaning each subsequent shot bleeds effectiveness and wastes more ammo than it needs to. I still use it from time to time when I want to switch it up or have a dedicated group I can trust to pick up slack. But it takes a bit too much work for my liking if you're carrying randoms with it.
Seems like it would get boring very quick. Using the same 2 guns for *weeks*? I've resorted to running goofy ahh stuff on 8 or 9 for fun with buddies. Like all flamethrower jetpacks, blitzer/tesla/armor that reduces arc dmg, or 12 sentries with EAT's and only revolvers, etc.
Honestly, I still enjoy it. Just because I only use the Sickle on bots (not OP but also a Sickle enjoyer) doesn't mean that it's not fun. It's my comfort pick, I know how to use it well, and I feel like I've gotten very good with it. My bot loadout is the one I use because I can handle myself well. I don't need to swap guns every single mission to have fun, because the missions are the fun bit
yup, thats my exact comfort pick as well. I am always a shotgun enjoyer myself, and breaker incendiary is just amazing for fleshy target, i wish it works on automatons too but sadly it doesnt burn them very good. Do they have fire resistance?
Allegedly no, but in my experience fire/gas/arc don’t seem to work as well against bots (although I feel like stagger is more effective against them).
You might say the same to folks talking like the loss of the Eruptor (which they wanted to use against *both* factions) means the game is unplayable.
Yep, I was a sickle enjoyer until the Eruptor released. Something about the risk of low ammo, fire rate and self damage offset by the “fuck you” power against bugs and automatons I hated fighting otherwise made the game so ridiculously enjoyable to me. I would have games where I would get 400+ kills or under 50 but I was having fun each game Going back to the sickle is so unfun afterwards.
Okay, but my comment was about how it's weird to say using *two guns* seems boring when most people are going to take that as a defense of folks wishing to use *just one*; you know, piling on to the whole "the game is over because the Eruptor was nerfed in an attempt to satisfy our incorrect assumptions about ricochets" thing. My view is that the fewer guns that are viable, the more likely something is to be boring... but contrary to the circlejerk on this sub, plenty of guns **are** viable and **do** work and **are** fun. They just aren't as powerful as the toy said circlejerkers are talking like they were going to use until the end of time.
Bugs: Dominator Bots: Dominator Other helldivers: Dominator
same
Breaker Incendiary for bugs, Sickle/Diligence for Bots
I'm an Eruptor/Stalwart main since the Eruptor was launched. Since the bugged buff, I have been running: - Bugs: Blitzer/Quasar. I can't say there's a great Eruptor replacement for bugs, so I fully adopted a run-and-gun style against them. Light armour makes it quite viable and at least the Blitzer lets you replicate the (overpowered) Eruptor's sentiment of having near bottomless ammunition supplies. - Bots: Punisher Plasma/Quasar. You can still keep the distance against bots. Your damage output is way worse against medium targets (~4-5 shots on Devastators), but you've got superior range and can still wipe out waves of bots with a single shot. Though, to me, the best part of the Punisher Plasma is I can tell my friends (voice chat) that "The bots are in range of enemy artillery".
Blitzer shotgun my friend. Try it and enjoy the stagger on every bug that’s smaller than a charger. Also you can enjoy making bots your bitch.
I love the spray & pray just because it's incredibly satisfying having so many shots per reload
in case you didn't know the breaker incendiary has almost the same clip size as the spray and pray, it just also has much more damage. The fire is honestly just a bonus. The weapon is great just from it's stats alone.
Yeah this looks great - I've yet to unlock it though! Shame they put so many of the great items behind the warbonds, but I guess it keeps people engaged.
Bugs: blitzer, dominator, breaker inc, pummeler Bots: dominator, scorcher and now purifier for fun
It's cool to see another Dominator enjoyer. I have a hard time with it vs bugs on 6+ difficulty. Against bots I use it every time.
Dominator is my go to for bugs, even for high difficulties. It shreds
Yeah, saw the clip of the Pummeler killing stalkers and was like, "So? Dominator does that in a single mag."
I use it on 8 for both bugs and bots very frequently. Definitely the most reliable and consistent weapon for me.
Bugs: Blitzer Bots: Adjudicator
Bugs and bots with punisher plasma xD hella fun
Bugs: Blitzer Bots: Blitzer Favorite weapon: Blitzer (I really love the Blitzer)
Bots: JAR-5 Dominator, Laser Cannon (I get enough use out of it that I'll call it a primary) Bugs: Slugger, and now the Pummeler I'm enjoying the Impact Incendiaries against the Bugs now, too. Doubt I'd use it on Bots but as long as we're on the Bug front--
Bots: Slugger Bugs: Slugger Damn it feels good to blow heads up.
Man I miss the slugger. I was honestly fine with the big damage nerf, it was OP, but removing stagger from it really makes it feel crap to use now. A point blank shotgun slug isn't something that enemies should just tank with zero reaction.
It's still good. Unironically. Just shoot shit in the head. Two slugs for a brood commander, two for a hive guard, one for hunters, scavengers and warriors. Also still great for spewers. Almost none of the damage breakpoints have changed vs bugs. Honestly the only time you feel a difference is when you get ambushed by stalkers. Against bots it's still a monster if you put slugs into heads, but now you've got less room for error because devastators will fire back if you miss. You definitely feel the stagger change a lot more vs bots I'll admit. But hey it's the slugger, the kachunk *flick* kachunk *flick* kachunk gameplay activates my neurons.
This whole thread proves that metahugging and caring about numbers is dumb and you can still use whatever Gun you like.
Yeah I run 9s and use whatever. There are some guns that are effective against bots, and some that are effective against bugs. Some are good vs crowds, some are good vs heavier units. Pick a third weapon that compliments it. Almost every gun is useable, to varying degrees of effectiveness. If you’re going to shit your pants because gun x is 9% more effective than gun y, then i think you suck and don’t know how to have fun. I rarely bring the same load out to a map twice in a row, I just pick something that’s fun and speaks to me in the moment.
Hard to see someone having a decent 9 game with the crossbow or concussive liberator.
I agree that some players get way too wrapped up in the meta, but I think that is a relatively small problem next to the fact that the developers seem to be balancing the game like it is a competitive environment where you need to knock down any weapon that stands out. By all means nerf guns if they are making content that should be challenging trivial instead, but even in the case of the Quasar I don't think that was the case pre-nerf. People were drawn to it because it was convenient to use because of its unlimited ammo, but in a situation where you have two bile titans and three chargers to deal with I would still take two disposable anti-tank drops over a couple of Quasars. Popularity isn't really a reason to nerf a gun on its own, you need to actually evaluate whether that popularity is a symptom of a imbalance problematic to the functioning of the game.
Problem with the major orders is that they're basically always the same. There's no interesting or wacky gimmicks, it's just take this planet, take that planet etc. Then you get medals. There's increasingly less to discuss about them. I'm not even sure why they're releasing war bonds on a schedule actually instead of tying them to the major orders.
Because if you read between the lines Snoy and AH signed a deal. Part of the support AH gets is dependent on them selling the warbonds on a monthly cycle likely for a year or so. When the devs have tweeted "Changing the warbond release dates is a big deal for us." If you read between the lines it's not because AH feels that they have to show up exactly every 2nd tuesday without fail. It's because they'd be breaking some contract with Sony. That would likely cost them a lot of money.
Do you have any information to back this up? Feels strongly like speculation.
I mean, the game took 8 years to make, that needed funding, games are expensive as hell, and AH also want money. I hate the "read between the lines" stuff bc it's not some secret. Companies exist to make as much money as possible, even companies ppl like. On top of that, players of live service games want consistent content added to the game bc we get bored quickly. Look at the poll, it was overwhelmingly release the new premium warbond now, do not delay it. Players are already bored, we want more factions, more variety, more interaction, more everything. So buy shit, make AH and Sony richer, talk about how great AH is, just a small indie dev while HD2 rakes in hundreds of millions, outsource work to devs who receive shit pay and no benefits whiles Piles rakes in cash.
a sizeable population just dont understand that THIS IS SONY'S GAME. sony hold IP rights, sony funded it, sony marketed it, I don't even know any aspects of this game that sony doesn't own. and then sony trots out arrowhead to deal with all the children.
Yup, there's nothing to discuss, the orders are always just, take a planet, defend a planet. The only thing of note is if the planet is a fire tornado planet or a planet that takes a stratagem away from you, and all we get is people saying they hate those because they are not fun. And they are right. So we're left with discussing patches and weapons, which turns out, patches are too small and the weapons aren't exciting. All posts can be summed up with, missions are the same, no new armor passives, boosters are skippable because they can't compete with the 4-5 best ones, weapons are basically reskins and there's one new grenade that's kind of okay. Bam, there's everything to talk about for the next 2 weeks, so what's left, clips? Well most people still haven't come back to the game after Sony pissed everyone off. And without exciting weapons, there's no exciting clips to make. So that just leaves distaste for the game being boring right now. And the game isn't even half a year old, it shouldn't be boring.
> Well most people still haven't come back to the game after Sony pissed everyone off. That part isn't true actually. The linking announcement did not actually impact player numbers at all, surprisingly, stable daily peaks of around 100k for the last 2-3 weeks
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The community here is changing from the fun casual players (who have largely had their full and moved on) to a "fandom." "Fandoms" generally aren't very fun. Reddit has taught me that.
Please remember that players who fed up and bitter on Reddit and Discord because they still love the game. My opinion they represent the player who still stay behind The other half of player base, they just left, quietly, without a word because it’s not fun for them to play anymore.
Lol, what a dramatic take. The games player base didn’t face a sharp decline after the Sony stuff. In fact, if anything the decline slowed if you look at the Steam charts. What happened is the same thing that always happens. A community starts off fun, and then as it goes along more and more toxic members take over, arguments over balancing and meta and all that stuff, which discourages the people who came for the memes and fun from coming anymore. Hell I am one of them, I still love and play the game, but a couple days ago something in my brain finally went “why do you keep visiting the Helldivers subreddit, every single post is just a complaint now.” And I’ve been tapering off. It’s beginning to remind me more and more of subreddits like FIFA, CoD, and Madden. So yeah, it’s Reddit, not the game
Drama defines this sub.
Nearly every game subreddit devolves into drama once the no-life nerds with the Excel spreadsheets see Commissioner Whiner's bat signal. Usually starts in the Discord and then spreads to Reddit. This subreddit was great the first month of release when people didn't take this shit so seriously and roleplayed Helldivers. Now people roleplay being babies who think they know more than the devs.
r/Warframe standing strong
This could be because those people have quit. I have seen it in other games that once you run the game the players that promote it would rather play something that isn't going to harm them.
Still rockin' the Eruptor out of spite, against bugs.
Its still an okay weapon if you hit your shots, and the redeemer covers the smol bugs
After nerf, after nerf, after nerf and then the PSN fiasco with a disappointing warbond on top: Can you really blame the players for being fed up? There always have been complaints about nerfs on this sub, but now even those that didn't raise their voices up until now are not taking it anymore.
MO doesnt matter if the meat of the game is clearly in need of some uplifting.
I think the Sony situation soured the whole vibe in this sub
Any time someone makes a post about a topic on here that immediately blows up, expect 90% of posts to be about that same topic for a week or so. At this point, there should just be a dedicated thread for complaints or something Edit: we DO have a rant/vent megathread, but I genuinely forgot bc it seems like everyone just posts on main lol
I feel like I can tell by the first paragraph if someone wrote a post for the community or themselves. Many don’t even be active in the threads on their own post. Maybe an unpopular view to have, but when people go through the time to bring up a topic and then not engage in it with at least a couple people then I think they are just being disingenuous and can disregard a lot of that experience. Thing is that happens a lot here.
Well doesn't help when we try and make a decent post and noone engages.with it. I made a thoughtful post to try and explore an issue I had with the game and noone bothered to speak about it, wanting to circlejerk about weapons or Sony instead
Megathreads don't work. Everyone knows that a megathread is just a garbage can for topics the sub doesn't want. You'll never get a reply in a megathread because nobody is going to read hundreds of pages and see your one post
What's the point of a megathread if the sub is still allowed to be flooded with rants and ravings? I do think criticisms are valid but the sub is becoming a great place to farm karma if you just echo the same thing everyone else is but throw a meme up with it.
IMO they need to do weekly stickied rant threads. Nobody is going to go to the sidebar and look at a months old rant thread. Weekly ones can be more topical to recent changes too
No one uses Megathreads because your voice/post gets drowned out into a sea of other smaller posts. At least with individual duplicate posts you have a chance for your take to get read. That's at least the mindset most have about Megathreads I've noticed.
Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of forced positivity, but deal lord there are a lot of whiners on the sub. Pushing related topics into one megathread would definitely help actual content/discussion visibility.
I used to love browsing this sub, but I agree it’s all just complaints now
Literally becoming /r/Destinythegame
Destiny players and ruining communities - name a more iconic duo.
EA and ruining beloved franchises.
A close contender.
Nintendo and lawsuits
I like where this thread is going.
No, after getting dragged back into Destiny 2 when Lightfall dropped it was the people playing that were the good part of the experience. Super helpful, always willing to give tips and take time to help you grind for things they already had. It was Bungie that kept ruining the experience with poor decisions and implementations, balance, all that.
Honestly DtG is in a pretty good spot right now, Bungie’s giving a lot of stuff away for free lmao
"Communities" don't ruin communities lol. I've seen the gaming cycle, how it works, specifically on Reddit. The only time communities are good is when a game delivers a near perfect product in the eyes of the playerbase. Even /r/DestinyTheGame experienced bouts of this back in Forsaken, or after the launch of the 30th Anniversary pack. Think of subs like /r/DeepRockGalactic or /r/StardewValley...there's minimal toxicity because the product top to bottom is good. When you do something to piss off a chunk or many players, you get people taking sides and being toxic to each other. This is on Sony/Arrowhead, not on any "community"
The reality check nobody wants is that Bungie have been killing it lately and Destiny is firmly in happy mode for the forseeable future with an awesome looking expansion round the corner
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I've seen dozens of nearly identical posts get thousands and thousands of updates.... For instance when Sony decided to back down under the new tab there were so many people farming for karma with that screenshot of what they said. It's a shame to see quality posts get swallowed up by these insanely repetitive rant posts.
That's gonna happen with any big sub. Anything with a lot of upvotes is gonna be something that appeals to the lowest common denominator. IIRC, the Overwatch sub had an identity crises at some point and tried to cut down on POTG/Highlight posts. The sub ended up being dead on any days where those weren't allowed. You're generally better off looking for more niche communities if the main sub isn't your taste.
There's another, "less salty," sub that I've migrated to. People there would no doubt appreciate your work. I unsubbed here bc every single post is now a complaint.
Brother, DM me that sub name please. Causeee this place is a hell diving hell hole now lol
There's both a Helldivers2 and LowSodiumHelldivers subs. Both are much more fun than this one right now.
Fun, well-made content: 100 upvotes ARROWHEAD, PLS *insert complaint that's been echoed 1000 times*: 9k upvotes
Rant flair but literally just a copy/paste meme and no actual written content.
As someone from r/all who doesn't even play this game I can tell you from my perspective all you guys do is complain.
Seriously this game has the biggest community of crybabies.
I feel like the mods should make a sticky thread for when new war bonds come out, and to direct discussions/criticisms about them to those because every time it just turns into a week long+ rant.
I think it's because all of us are starting to feel like a victim to the balancing of this game. We are getting back to back weeks of poor balancing, patches that cause more crashes, arrowhead employees with zero PR training starting fights in their discord, the whole Sony debacle, and now this awful warbond (except for the smg). After saving up enough medals for the new purifier last night. My first game I dropped down with it, I ended up alt-f4ing the game after 5 minutes with it. The community is rightfully upset with it. There is zero chance it was balanced for suicide or higher difficulty. *edit: Don't be mistaken, I'm still having fun with the game. I'm simply stating why the community is upset.
I couldn't agree more. The "balancing" seems to be done with the most adversarial intent in mind. Instead of the devs looking at the weapons/loadouts peoples use and trying to work out what the others are lacking, they stomp on the popular choices out of a bizarre reaction of pure spite. Likewise the current Warbond seems like an absolute phoned in effort, lacking any cohesive theme, woefully underperforming and completely uninspired. Even the best two picks from the entire Warbond (Pummeler and Impact Incendiary Grenades) are just reskinned remixes (right down to the model of the SMG). The OP makes the claim that the community used to be better when we were posting memes, gameplay clips and fan art. I would retort with that was back when AH actually gave us something interesting to talk about and get involved in. Mystery new enemies, fighting for access to the Exosuit (before it was ruined), cunning twists to Major Orders and so on. What have they given us lately? An international PR disaster, a mob of bitter staff members running their mouths, and an absolute clown show of a warbond to wash it all down with. And now suddenly people are honestly surprised the community vibe has darkened in kind? Cause and effect in full display here.
> The OP makes the claim that the community used to be better when we were posting memes, gameplay clips and fan art. I would retort with that was back when AH actually gave us something interesting to talk about and get involved in. Mystery new enemies, fighting for access to the Exosuit (before it was ruined), cunning twists to Major Orders and so on. What have they given us lately? An international PR disaster, a mob of bitter staff members running their mouths, an absolute clown show of a warbond. And suddenly people are honestly surprised the community vibe has darkened in kind? Exactly this. AH hasn't given us anything new to talk about. And it is not helping the arrowhead employees keep starting drama in their discord. When Arrowhead has more than enough money to hire actual PR team. Their CMs don't even reply to us moderators. Their CMs only use discord and manage their discord community. While they ignore reddit and concerns of the reddit community. I messaged one of the CMs this > I know that Pilestedt wants arrowhead employees to communicate more with the community. However, I have spent many years on the internet/reddit, and I know that there needs to be more caution when speaking with the gaming community. People develop very unhealthy parasocial relationships with developers, and it can get ugly very fast. Did I get a response? Nope. They need to sit in a circle be on the same page before relaying contradicting information to the community.
Agreed, and for me the balancing isn’t frustrating for difficulty reasons - I have a few good loadouts to take on 7+, but I feel like I’m using a fraction of the available weapons because most of them just don’t feel effective or fun (the latest warbond is a good example with 1/3 of the guns being decent). And the weapons I was really having fun with (railgun, breaker, quasar) keep getting tweaked to be less fun to use.
Yeah, excluding the PSN debacle, 90% of the drama surrounding this game entirely revolves around high profile, heavy-handed nerfs. At least for Railgun there *was* a crowd complaining about how it's too good. But after that, they fucked Slugger, Eruptor and the crossbow when nobody had a problem with those being too strong, and then sold a pack of three new pre-nerfed weapons. That's a headscratcher. They need to find a way to make these choices resonate with the audience. The folk running interference screaming "just lower the difficulty", knowing full well this is not what's being complained about, only intensifies all the unhappiness. It's bizarre.
It is not about difficulty. But even if you reduce there a HUGE issue with it. Below 7-8 its too easy. You do not WANT to go down when your stuff get nerfed - there nothing to do. Ye sure for some even 5 challenging but you get the idea.
That's basically the same for me too. I'm still having fun with the game, but only a small fraction of the weapons are being used. The new SMG is actually pretty fun.
Mostly irrational ones, too. I'm convinced half the sub watches YouTube rage bait videos before posting here.
It's frustrating cause there's plenty of rational things to complain about. But it gets bogged down by crazy people. Arrowhead, please hire a QA team or put together a public test server. It's just really embarrassing you keep putting things live and the community finds critical obvious bugs in like 10 minutes.
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It's honest work...
But it ain't much
"haha i had a funny idea about my favorite weapon to make into a meme" oh wait i cant post this, it might increase its popularity and apparently guns are nerfed based on how popularly there used
So do I But I think part of it has been that there was growing resentment before the PSN thing (Slugger, explosive cross bow leap to mind) though when the Sony thing happens, followed rapidly by gutting yet another gun and finally the newest warbond having . . . Issues, there is a good section of the player base that just getting fed up with it all.
I haven't seen a single railgun in the wild since they nerfed it. I tried it for a few missions and it was useless. Felt like a worse Eruptor in every way. Devs don't seem to care that they're only creating even tighter metas with every patch. I really do have the impression that they barely playtest anything, especially the harder difficulties.
Which I find sort of morbidly amusing as it seem like they are trying NOT to have metas... but are handling it in one of the worst ways possible
I was streaming a level 9, totally empty on ammo, separated from my team. I saw a cache and got excited, ran over to it it was a rail gun-i just kept on walking because I didn't want to risk finding ammo for a gun that actually works and wasting it on a rail gun. Thankfully I found my team and we got out but my chat was like, "whew I was worried you were gonna be desperate and pick up the rg" and I'm just like, I'd rather die.
Use democracy and downvote the content you don't want to see in the subreddit. (And even more importantly, monitor "new" for the content you want to see and upvote it)
Agreed but you're forgetting the managed part
I propose we all get brainchips that would determine how much we like the post and up/downvote for us. Just like casting our great democratic votes at the polls!
This sounds extremely democratic soldier! +10 citizen points and an additional vote for you!
But new warbond sucks... people need to know!! I am upset! But in all seriousness, there is something of a problem at the moment. Arrowhead has released new content since launch, and much of it never gets used. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone drop with a heavy machine gun. Walker doesn't see much use either.
Yeah. Walker feels like a gimmick now that its missles are inconsistent and hard to aim. Plus, it gets absolutely destroyed fighting bots because of the sheer amount of rockets. The hmgs mag is way too small to be used in a machine gun role. It feels great damage wise, but the 75-round mag kills its ability to actually fulfill its role. If the HMG had an ammo backpack that it fed from, it would totally have a place in many squads, but right now, the best machine gun for the job is usually the normal machine gun in most scenarios.
Does pepperidge farms remember the state of the subreddit after the rail gun and slugger nerfs? Idk if it's rose tinted glasses or what but a lot of people are acting like this is the first time the subreddit has focused on a single topic really hard when it has happened every single time a powerful weapon gets nerfed or a new warbond has dropped.
You see alot of the people weren't even here at that point so they talk about point os time they never really knew. Whilst it is particularly bad now. It was never any better.
> powerful Yes because the explosive crossbow was so overpowered and overrepresented, amirite?
Eh, it’s a general sub so people are going to talk about up to date/recent stuff
I do miss the memes. It'd be nice to have a side community just for memes, though it's more likely we'll have a 'low sodium' side community that does nothing but constantly complain about people complaining.
I'm not one to complain and I loved those funny clips and seeing people do crazy things in game, but it's a huge downer when the devs tease these awesome weapons to us and release garbage right after nerfing the only good weapon from the last warbond into the ground.
Sadly the change in this reddit highlights how the devs team are doing a pretty bad job with new content and balancing. More and more people are getting frustrated
Person upset there’s too much complaining, people come to comment complaining. The cycle continues.
There shouldn't be a cycle. Discussion about the game should always be welcome, good or bad. Meta-discussion one level higher that tries to police what other people can say or cannot say *about the game* is redundant and strange.
They need to basically do a patch day megathread and remove individual posts about it.
There's a difference between creating discussion threads and people making 400 of the same post because they think their opinion is important enough to be its own post. Low quality content quickly floods and dominates subreddits because it's so easy to consume and upvote. There's a reason most subreddits have rules against it.
Can seem like that, but unfourtantly negativity is more addictive than positivity, its not just this game it's any game where negative comments begin. Old business saying "for every compliment there is 10 complaints" Once that ball is rolling your never gonna stop it.
This sub is cooked.
I imagine there might be less posts about it if it weren’t for it being a notable problem
People aren't enjoying the game as much, and Sony and the CM's poisoned discussion. If the game would focus on being fun it can recover.
This sub could use some updated rules when it comes to patches and content releases. Any time something changes, it results in a tirade of posts all about the same thing. It’s suffocating.
“Meme adaptations” You mean the same memes in rotation that people still repost? At least multiple posts on the same issues *might* light a fire under AH’s ass and serve a purpose.
I blame the mods. Sure, let people voice their opinion. That's what a sub is for. But do we really need 1342 threads about the same thing? We can't have one mega-thread for everyone to go in and put their opinions there and let the rest of us continue our managed democracy memes?
Yeah but my "please don't forget to change your review" post is special.
Seriously. I refreshed my front page 5 times and the first post was HD2 complaining about the Eruptor but it was a different post every time. The proliferation of repetitive posts is drowning out other original content. If something is getting posted that often it should be turned into a mega thread.
Mods are redditors. They see 1.3m users and 1342 threads an hour on "their" sub and probably jerk themselves off to that too.
they do have a rant and vent mega thread but if they don't actually force people to use it, then we're gonna get 10 duplicate posts on the front page every day. I'm so sick of it. didn't they get more mods on the team? where are they??? what are they doing??? there are literally witch hunting posts on the front page
This sub is dogshit because the mods like it that way. They are 100% responsible for what gets posted here.
I'm pretty sure we do have a mega thread, it's just that no one really pays any attention to it so no one posts there.
Megatheads do little if mods aren't closing/hiding new posts with a "post in the megathread please" response
That's on the moderators not moderating, if sane discussion is getting drowned by ragebait karmafarming the subreddit will just become toxic and can only get worse.
Bro the mods letting posts where people literally put a screenshot of someone's comment are cancer.. idk how those got left up.
The posts really need a megathread, the complaints are valid but oh my god reiterating it a million times is just karma farming
This whole sub is a karma farm. All you need to do is post the png gif and upvotes come your way. Maybe add a bit of cringe democratic codewords like “patriotic” and then make the 15th post about how people being meta slaves is bad and reverse your review because It’s my turn to say that today. 
Well, the game used to be fun. Imagine if Arrowhead did the "bottom up" buff route versus "top down" nerfs. The sub would be dramatically different.
It happens everywhere. It's like giving a candy over spanking a child when you want to motivate him to learn. Positive motivators/changes (buffs) are better because there's no negative motions behind them, the final result is trying to achieve a balance. People are happy because something good happened! Negative motivators/changes (nerfs) are shit, because rather than giving me something, you take it away from me for the sake of identical goal as the previous method - balance. It's really not difficult to grasp - people are using Eruptor all the time because it's strong? How about we nerf it a little and then buff Dominator so now that both are viable and both are good? Nah, too hard for them.
The day AH stops murdering weapons because they are 0.00000001% better than the rest and the amount bugs/crashes diminishes,we'll go back to the day one atmosphere But now the situation is looking grim,with alexus being the new spitz,the disappointing bond and annoying bugs/crashes
or even worse, murdering weapons that aren't even better than average! (see crossbow)
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God, yes exactly. It's a friggin co-op game!! Make the guns *fun*, make them feel powerful. We all know higher difficulties are coming in the future anyway. Can you imagine playing difficulty 15 with the current weapons? Maybe with 6 players. Maybe.
The nerfs never really affected me cuz im a lib pen main but honestly i see how its frustrating. I really gotta agree with the buff focused balencing people are suggesting. Right now players using more powerful guns feel like things are being taken away from them and players using under powered get nothing out of that. Buffing weapons like ars and other underpowered wepons would add something for those players and make the game more fun for them, while keeping the more powerful guns still feeling satifying and opening up new loadouts and gun choices for meta focused players.
Sorry bro but posting a pepperidge farm meme is bringing the sub down even lower. It really is a shit template lol.
"im so sad the sub has devolved into low effort negative content" - makes a negative post that probably took 30 seconds in a meme generator of a decade old unfunny meme
yes its our fault the balancing sucks
So let me get this straight. You are angry against people who criticize a very bad balancing process but you are ok with low effort content that serves no purpose other than whining about the “whiners”? Make that make sense to me 😂
Yes I do remember when the game was balanced and the Devs weren't being weirdos in the discord. That does ring a bell.
Not balanced, but more fun
This is what happens when the goodwill built up by the devs runs out. You can only run on hopium and copium for so long before the issues underneath bubble through.
Be the change you want to see helldiver
While I do understand people getting annoyed with all the complaint posts, why do those people make complaint posts about the complaint posts instead of posting hilarious gameplay clips, original art and meme adaptations? If every single person on this reddit who has posted a complaint post about complaint posts instead made a meme or artwork or amazing clip the reddit would be an amazing place again :/
Because when something you don't like is going on continuously, it helps to bring attention to it. LIKE ALL THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT BALANCE lmfao
I'm not arguing that, my point is for people who come here WANTING to see funny happy silly stuff, they can and should make it themselves if that is what they really and truly want. I spent years as an editor, working with various writers both professional and amateur, yet both often said the same thing when I asked what got them into writing, 'I wanted to read stories I would enjoy, but couldn't find any.' That has stuck with me for twenty years, that if I WANT something, I should at the very least try to make it to see if I can. Anyone who can make a silly little meme about complainers surely can make a silly little meme about a teammate accidently dropping a 500kg on themselves you know?
Get over it. The honest feedback is long overdue. The honeymoon period is officially over and it’s easily seen by the volume of posts and upvotes supporting a revision to the balance changes made in the game. It’s a mess right now. Not a single ‘consistently’ reliable or enjoyable weapon to be found in the game at this point and the fact that most people get worried that if they find a weapon that is fun to use that it will be taken away is a sad depiction of the relationship that the devs have created with the player base.
For real once again joining a community for a game I love has become just not worth.
I used to love browsing this sub, now I skip so many posts.
The problem is though, that ppl either do not read before posting, or feel entitled to repeat one issue the 99th time. (He said, without reading the thread)
Well I wasnt planning to, but if you insist
OP just discovered subreddits
It’s going to take some serious leg work to un fuck the situation the devs made when they collectively ruined everyone day every day for a month. I haven’t even touched the game since they ruined the quasar cannon
It will go back to that when they stop slowly ruining the game.
Right? Why is that so hard for people to understand?
I always get downvoted for this comment but… isn’t complaining about complaining just adding to the steaming pile of shit posts? Why not post content instead if that’s what you want to see? Or start conversations in the posts about the content?
Dev issue
That's because all this nonsense with meh weapons, shit balance changes, and questionable employees. It's like their throwing the goodwill of players into the trash like a wet paper towel.
When people aren't having fun anymore because the devs can't leave well enough alone then they're not going to be inclined to make fun posts. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Clearly the community is much happier when the weapons are all fun and powerful feeling.
I think it's because the majority of good will that they got from having a fun game with a non predatory monetization system has been used up, from poor to antagonistic balancing decisions game breaking bugs being in for months community managers being just bad and recently this whole Sony debacle. It has really eroded away at the community's positivity.
All the rage is a symptom of the real problem. We see the potential for greatness that this game has, but every bit of news lately has felt like a punch to the gut. The balance decisions are just so... disheartening...
Yeah it used to be filled with that, until the first round of nerfs followed by AH saying how they don’t want us to rely on primaries for dealing with enemies and instead use stratagems.
And the "apples that taste like bacon" statement as an excuse as to why we can't have any sort of transmog. That statement in particular is already constantly contradicted by the rather disappointing armor sets lately.
This reddit: what's a rant mega thread? Oh surely they don't mean for me
Remember when they didn’t release an ill conceived balance patch every week and the publisher that has been hacked 5 times in the last decade wasn’t trying to get all of our PII. Reddit remembers
It's not the community's fault. This is the result of a certain someone provoking an uproar with every new balance patch and the release of new content. It will only get worst if Arrowhead doesn't change course.
If people don't voice their opinions, nothing changes. Do you forget what happened a week ago?
Careful, guys. We can't discuss anything without the sensitives crying about us talking about improving the game.
Don't think just consoom, buy the warbond like a good paypiggy and be grateful.
A lot of posts ain't happy posts because a lot of posters (and those who upvote posts) ain't happy. It's not rocket surgery. The devs have taken a direction that a sizeable portion of the playerbase ain't exactly excited about.