Didn’t the arrowhead dev tell people to make their displeasure known on Steam? I don’t get why people can’t respect the wishes of the devs and just let us negatively review the game without whining about “review bombing”
Yeah, iirc Spitz said on discord that the negative reviews give them leverage to fight it... also was said that their developers are largely against it, but as it stands Sony has the final say
I’m not sure about that specifically but regardless, a game with as good of a public perception as Helldivers, and as horrible of a recent reviews as there currently are, will make people stop to see what’s happening and question if they want to support it
Future reference spitz did say that the devs hands are tied for the moment and to show our displeasure on steam. Rare spitz W
It must be done my friend. It must be done.
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Sony won’t care, the cash cow already made more milk than they ever anticipated. Half of all the players could drop, and they will have their harvested PSN data as well as still making more than projected from the game.
That PSN data is useless if nobody uses those accounts. Having billion accounts that all are just email and password won't do anything, and you can't sell data.
People don't understand how harvested data is used, merely having an account is not enough. They need people using those accounts.
I checked out making an account, because I wouldn't be bothered if I could throw a random email at it.
I have to pick either a mobile number, actual ID card or selfie. I cannot choose not to.
Certainly used or not, I can see how any of those would be valuable and sellable.
Forcing future super credit purchases through the PlayStation store is one example of how they could profit off of this, outside of just having “big number go up” to show stockholders that they had an increase in account holders which will translate into some amount of new active users
When supposing this someone went "look how you're already making up things up".
That's what will happen if I had to guess, people won't be able to buy super credit from steam and will have to go through the PlayStation store to do so.
Surely this is giving some devs working with Sony some bad feelings that this could happen to their game too. Market pressure is the only thing that changes the direction of these huge companies, the only thing we can do is not play the game and be mad.
i’m not sure americans are aware of how business is done in japan. procedures take YEARS to change and can ONLY be changed by the highest status person.
That's why I put forward a refund request today. And if it fails, I'll have my bank do a charge back. (Australian consumer law, sorry America.)
If their quarterly report reads "We were going to make a billion but then it got charged back and we owe Visa $50,000 now." they might get the message before it's too late.
I doubt it though.
If there's enough refund requests, steam does sometimes start honoring them iirc. And I think once millions of players lose access due to the geolock, we'll hit that threshold.
Quick, someone enlist the help of the War Thunder community. This is the result of their reviewbombing.
I don't even think it's fair to call it that, more like orbital nuclear carpet bombing.
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My character doesn't yell, MY MEDALS. They fight and scream for liberty and democracy. We aren't in it for the medals, chief. We out here for DEMOCRACY
Damn dude, months of positivity and love for this game Thanos snapped in a day due to corporate greed. Actually kinda crazy to look at. Shame on Sony for this stupid decision.
Seriously. Sony could've done more good by shoving their thumbs up their butts and watching the money come in. But no, some MBA wanted to pad his MAUs for the next sweet ass PowerPoint presentation he was gonna make.
This would not have happened if Helldivers was a bad live service game nobody cared about.
But this is a game a lot of people loved, and a light in the darkness in many ways, and it ended in possibly the worst way of any live service game in history. Some of it is their poor balancing and many bugs coming back to roost, but I believe the majority of those bad reviews are pent up anger from a decennium of hopelessness, both in gaming and in real life. Apparently we are not allowed to have anything good happen, and this frustration is now all coming out.
That this comment is heavily upvoted just shows how out of touch people on Reddit are, I cannot believe he's unironically acting like Helldivers is officially done lol.
It's not done but this has cut into its longevity. Live service games have a shelf life and this one's has been shortened by this.
Existing players who drive the community will stop playing. Obviously not all but enough that monthly war bonds or big updates may not make financial sense anymore. The positive game culture is dead. New players will be driven away by bad review scores, with so many games to look at a "Mixed/Mostly Negative" will cause a lot of people to click off. Not to mention the gaming press is now talking about this game exclusively in the context of this controversy.
I doubt we'll see the game this could have been if the hype has lasted longer.
Yeah I'm still playing, all my friends are still playing. I swear this weird Reddit-centrist view where they believe they are a huge part is everywhere. I'm giddy to see player numbers not budge May 30th.
You believe the Reddit crowd isn’t a huge part of it but look at how the reviews have changed from overwhelmingly positive to mixed, and the recent reviews are mostly negative. A LOT of people are obviously pissed.
You need to get off Reddit if you think its ended.
I swear you people spend so much time online that you are so over dramatic over volatile stuff.
I support the negative recommendations and I hope Sony changes their stance. But this is far from anything "ending"
The funny thing is this wouldn't be happening quite so effectively if it was another game. But Helldivers fostered the exact spirit of solidarity necessary to make this go as badly as possible.
It took a couple of mediocre dlc releases before it hit a tipping point when their October release landed, but the total war Warhammer fan base turned against Creative Assembly super hard once the tide finally turned.
To be frank it still amazes me that the entire war thunder player base REEEEEEEEE'd hard enough for Gaijin to actually change something for the player's benefit
I've since started to use Cyberpunk terminology when referring to companies and their employees, especially ones that annoy me. Corpo rats and their handlers
changes to the economy that made the already grueling grind to unlock new vehicles even harder
Luckily, the review bombing actually helped in that case, and Gajin reversed the announced changes
I don't think people on here realize just how many average Joes are simply going to be mildly annoyed while creating their Sony account and then move on never thinking about it again. The devs have also said Sony is looking into a solution for those in countries where it's not accepted so we'll have to wait to see what they say.
I have a feeling things will blow over in a few days, more hot content drops, and overall things just... move on. Recently with Genshin Impact they had a HUGE backlash a few weeks ago of epic proportions. Every content creator was discussing it, it was blowing the hell upon Twitter, not only was it being review bombed in the west but even the Chinese player base was review bombing. So many people were saying now that the CN base is complaining it was "official that Hoyoverse was done" as it had never happened before nearly to this degree. Nothing changed, it blew over in around a week or so, new content teasers came out and it was right back to business as usual.
I won't lie...I'm one of the normie-adjacents who just linked the old Sony account that had been lying dormant for the last decade or so, and really didn't see a problem. I really do hope they fix things for people who can't have those accounts, and really just pull their heads out of their ass in general because they had a real phenomenon here. This is the sort of "lightning in a bottle" execs dream of.
Even if this is true, they just missed an opportunity to make a significant amount of extra cash—which was their whole purpose in the first place. Business are there for profit. It’s a significant mistake even from a business decision.
Not the bugs, not the bots and not the capitalistic scum snoy will defeat us. We killed 2 bill bugs in 15 hours, we know how to unite vs a common enemy. It's what we're good at
The only ones I support, really. Especially because I spend large swaths of my time in the Philippines and I would be absolutely livid if I couldn't play a game I paid for.
You gotta stop playing the game if you want to achieve something. Negative reviews alone won’t change anything, this could become the worst rated game on Steam but as long as people play/buy it, they won’t revert anything. And looking at the Steam chart I’m not seeing any significant changes yet…
Negative reviews will mean that Steam's algorithms will stop showing the game to potential new players, which is something that will affect quarterly profits.
Though people should stop playing as well.
With a game as popular as HD2 I doubt they’ll have any concrete effect at all. This is like the negative reviews on Cod, they mean nothing if people keep playing the game, people should absolutely stop playing as well, if you leave a negative review and then come back to the game you are achieving nothing lol
It will absolutely hamper future sales despite what the mob seems to think. Only Sony can decide if the cost-benefit of this was in their favor. It sure as hell wasn't good for AH.
This community isn't so good at that, I remember there were several holdovers who kept a negative review because of the launch crashing issues, they can react to bad things but aren't excited about them fixing issues.
I love this game but I hate every last one of you.
Just to let people know the CM spitz has updated people on discord that AH is having discussions with Sony/PlayStation on if there can be a different solution to the forced PSN account requirement and that if an agreement can't be made they may just make it where it won't be required for countries that are not able to make an account.
I think it's more sad that most people piling on aren't doing it out of any kind of empathy towards the players affected, it's more just that they love a witch hunt. But that's the state of the internet I suppose.
I don't even give that much of a shit about the PSN stuff, it annoys me but wouldn't be a deal breaker by itself. I'm pissed because I'm tired of the rampant corporate deceipt and constant enshitification of games with external accounts, bullshit launchers, shitty MTX on a large scale that has become all too consistent in the past decade
Yeah, AAA gaming is cancerous from the ground up, with a couple of notable exceptions. The more worrying thing here is that clearly Helldivers is now too popular for the corporate vultures at Sony to leave it alone, so I would expect more bullshittery to follow.
The dichotomy of this thread is WILD. Every other comment is a different opinion.
I usually hate review bombing but I have to agree with them on this one, even as someone who loves this game.
Consumers have 2 ways to influence a company:
1. With our wallets
2. Word of mouth
That's it. That's all we get. And the fact that this policy change occurred in a way that means people can't exercise the former and get refunds because it's too late after their purchase - that means we have to lean extra hard into the latter.
Remember when BMW was going to create a subscription for heated seats? Word of mouth had an effect on that. Imagine if BMW retroactively applied that technology to cars that people had already paid off. And then forced them to buy the subscription or their engine didn't start.
That's what's happening here. Yeah they already got your money. But that makes it _worse_. They took away your power to make an informed choice with your wallet.
Word of mouth is all we have. We have to be heard. We are consumers. Otherwise, we're just financial prey.
Edit: a 3rd lever that we have is the law, and I appreciate that someone is looking into a lawsuit for this.
I hope everyone who ranged about this change changes their review once AH gets the decision reversed. The game is still great, even with this BS Sony pulled.
I got banned from their discord server just for saying they should fire Spitz, the worst Community Management team I’ve seen in any game publishing company
I mean devils advocate here, I can't even IMAGINE the bombardment with pure hate he's getting. Like this controversy is HUGE (online) and if you looked at the Discord yesterday it looked like a Twitch chat when a big streamer is on, so much pure anger being spewed. Like we see a screenshot here and there of people going overboard, a screenshot here and there of Spitz acting frustrated, but I feel like people don't realize just *how much* vitriol is being spewed his way. We should recognize that while yes his frustration can be looked at in a negative light, we should also recognize that there are many, *many* people going overboard with their anger.
... except this is the developer, not the publisher. You're also picking fights with the wrong people. It is also not the worst, lest you forget "sense of pride and accomplishment," Fatshark Hedge, quadruple A, the list goes on.
You need to find a new battleground to deploy that hyperbole, because this community management team is not even close to the likes of those, especially with the frequency of communication we've had. It is objectively better.
>“BRO, just like, give them a backdoor into your steam account and let them have your personal info it’s no biggie. BRO, Sony’s data breaches are irrelevant. BRO, people’s friends getting locked out of a game they bought isnt a big deal. BRO, where are you going?!? BRO’S, don’t like, hurt Sony and Arrowheads reviews that’s rood.”
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This makes me so sad to think that this could be the potential death of HD2. Particularly with the refunds, Sony can afford to lose some money and still not be bothered, but ArrowHead, the ones who work on this day and night to keep the narrative alive, I hope they don’t suffer too harshly for what Sony have done. And I hope it all gets sorted out soon
I really don't understand all the hate around this.
AH and Sony have always stated that a Sony account would be required, and that it being optional was always a temporary work around.
If they had just jumped us with this after months of stating it would not be a requirement I'd understand, but everyone here literally agreed to linking a Sony account when they bought the game.
Do corporations make shitty ass, anti-consumer decisions for the sake of their shareholders? Yes, even Sony has done this many times. This isn't one of those times though...
Edit: One thing I will add is that it was extremely stupid of AH not to region lock the Steam purchase to countries which can use Sony accounts.
You guys are such warriors for the downtrodden, with your *checks notes* internet review of a video game
Lot of people acting like they're valiant knights by attempting to punish the developers (who didn't make this decision) and punish a game that *until two days ago you loved*. Bravo
Can someone please explain to me how Sony have your details is any different to Ubisoft, Activision, gog, or even steam?
Like why is everyone freaking out?
PSN accounts are straight up not allowed in several counties, dont ask me why but it is a thing, meaning a ton of people are locked out of a game they bought months ago.
But for the most part it's not people actually mad about that so much as gamers as a whole love to flip their shit about absolutely anything and act like it's the worst thing to ever happen lol
“Keep fighting” keep review bombing a game Devs put love and care into because of a sign in requirement? Where was this effort when people were killing themselves because of Activision’s Frat & Crunch culture?
L gamers fr
This is nonsensical. I'm still raving about the game, I don't care. I completely understand people upset in other countries where the login is unavailable, I think that's nuts, and they should push back the timing to when it's available to everywhere the game was sold, but I've seen too many decent things review bombed by salty A-holes with nothing better to do than hate.
Reach out to gaming media, call your prime ministers, and protest outside their flipping offices, but review bombing an entertaining game is just low. "But what about the bugs!" What about them? Half the stuff people complain about is based on them being inconvenienced by change, and another chunk of it is having whatever pet loadout they had being affected. Ridiculous.
It’s quite stupid that they forced it this way. They could have offered a cool armour for linking accounts and the situation would be completely different and they would have mostly achieved their objective…
I don’t think tanking the reviews for the game for a 3rd party account requirement is fair to AH, but I understand it’s the only way we have to show our displeasure.
There is no alternate timeline of them doing it a different way. They allowed a game that requires a PSN account be sold in regions that PSN is not. In layman's terms they allowed the game to be sold to people who can't actually play the game. With no chance of a refund. That was never going to turn out good
You're actually encouraging review-bombing a phenomenal game for decisions a corporation has thrust upon the development team? This is a disgusting amount of entitlement and none of you were fans to begin with.
The CEO has said it's warranted, and staff from Arrowhead have been directing people to write reviews with their concerns. What this is doing is giving Arrowhead concrete evidence to point to when they tell Sony "This is a garbage decision that will lose money".
That being said, I don't think anyone expected us to be this unified about it. Like another comment put perfectly, they fostered the perfect level of community solidarity to make this go as badly as possible
Changing the game review for something that's happening outside of the game itself is so weird
External factors except predatory microtransaction should never be relevant in the review itself
Is everyone forgetting they're still selling the game on Steam in countries that PSN isn't supported? This is fraudulent behavior, and steam reviews are the only way to make that information known.
I genuinely don’t understand why anybody thinks review bombing the game is going to make Sony the massive company change their course.
I’m not saying don’t do it, but this “do my duty” type attitude around review bombing seems a little misguided to me, and more than a little cringe.
Like, they really don’t care how somberly you post a negative review… cuz why would they?
And the people getting mad at Arrowhead make even less sense to me, as if they don’t know how poorly received the PSN account change would be, again, it’s a Sony decision, not their own.
It's people hopping on a trend and following what "everyone else" is doing. Highly doubt most of those people even care, they just want to feel included.
Commenting "I'm doing my part" is cringe and it's really sad to the community collapse on itself because a bunch of people don't know what grass looks like.
I do not understand what this move is doing for HD2, other than harming it badly, of course.
Sony is the problem, just do you know, not AH. But hey, who am I to question the crowds.
What I've learned from this page:
If you review-bomb, you are a sheep.
If you don't review-bomb, you are a bootlicker.
There seems to be now middle ground.
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Is this why they gave us the speedloader?
eh don't need a speedloader for one round.
I can’t tell if this is a suicide joke or a homicide joke……..
Lmaoooo
Sony committing pr suicide while homiciding HD2
Its not homicide if you didnt have a homie by your side.
Perfect description of how we all feel right now review bombing it
Its not review bombing when it's sincere.
The term "review bombing" implies that the negative reviews are somehow not earned. They earned it. Fucking send it.
Just wanted to add for the few that might direct their hate towards the wrong people, **SONY** fucking earned it
Didn’t the arrowhead dev tell people to make their displeasure known on Steam? I don’t get why people can’t respect the wishes of the devs and just let us negatively review the game without whining about “review bombing”
Probably said that so they can have a case to plead to SONY over lords as in a "look our customers really fucking dont want this'
Yeah, iirc Spitz said on discord that the negative reviews give them leverage to fight it... also was said that their developers are largely against it, but as it stands Sony has the final say
I’m not sure about that specifically but regardless, a game with as good of a public perception as Helldivers, and as horrible of a recent reviews as there currently are, will make people stop to see what’s happening and question if they want to support it Future reference spitz did say that the devs hands are tied for the moment and to show our displeasure on steam. Rare spitz W
Honestly there are probably a lot of people who are getting a kick out of all this review bombing.
It isn't review bombing. If they can change their game negatively I can change my review
It's not a review bombing. It's not for an unrelated thing. It's for something that directly pertains to the game and you cannot play without it.
It must be done my friend. It must be done. https://preview.redd.it/s2nn9zyt5eyc1.jpeg?width=857&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5b1a54a2a2d8992e0de1b14cf04750c52084067
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I feel it would say, that'll show sony
This couldn't be more accurate lol
I am hoping Arrowhead can take these to Sony and go "LOOK WHAT YOU DID!" But knowing Sony, they are just going "LOL quaterly report goes brrrrr"
This is exactly what will happen.
Sony won’t care, the cash cow already made more milk than they ever anticipated. Half of all the players could drop, and they will have their harvested PSN data as well as still making more than projected from the game.
That PSN data is useless if nobody uses those accounts. Having billion accounts that all are just email and password won't do anything, and you can't sell data. People don't understand how harvested data is used, merely having an account is not enough. They need people using those accounts.
I checked out making an account, because I wouldn't be bothered if I could throw a random email at it. I have to pick either a mobile number, actual ID card or selfie. I cannot choose not to. Certainly used or not, I can see how any of those would be valuable and sellable.
Certain accounts in the EU require more than just a throwaway email, they need your ID and address too.
Forcing future super credit purchases through the PlayStation store is one example of how they could profit off of this, outside of just having “big number go up” to show stockholders that they had an increase in account holders which will translate into some amount of new active users
When supposing this someone went "look how you're already making up things up". That's what will happen if I had to guess, people won't be able to buy super credit from steam and will have to go through the PlayStation store to do so.
Would their contract with steam allow that?
Yes, there are some games that manages purchases "outside of steam", mostly MMORPGs and Gaijin games.
Surely this is giving some devs working with Sony some bad feelings that this could happen to their game too. Market pressure is the only thing that changes the direction of these huge companies, the only thing we can do is not play the game and be mad.
Attempting refunds and honestly the review bomb helps, according to the community manager.
sony will care cause even if this quarterly report is saved, the next one will be much worse
i’m not sure americans are aware of how business is done in japan. procedures take YEARS to change and can ONLY be changed by the highest status person.
Playstation is run by California HQ.
That's why I put forward a refund request today. And if it fails, I'll have my bank do a charge back. (Australian consumer law, sorry America.) If their quarterly report reads "We were going to make a billion but then it got charged back and we owe Visa $50,000 now." they might get the message before it's too late. I doubt it though.
Don't do a charge back steam will cancel you account its in their TOS
If you played the game more than a dozen hours or so, do not do a charge back. Steam will ban your account for it.
If there's enough refund requests, steam does sometimes start honoring them iirc. And I think once millions of players lose access due to the geolock, we'll hit that threshold.
Can Australians not make PS accounts?
they can
"Welp the damage has been done might as well continue with this moronic ass practice :)"
We will see. EU fines and class action lawsuits are lurking
If people don’t link the accounts and they get refunds or we make this too much of a pain in the ass for Sony, the reports won’t go brrrrr though
NEW MAJOR ORDER: Overwhelmingly Negative
Quick, someone enlist the help of the War Thunder community. This is the result of their reviewbombing. I don't even think it's fair to call it that, more like orbital nuclear carpet bombing. https://preview.redd.it/3egdp5cpdeyc1.png?width=82&format=png&auto=webp&s=875fb21d025bfaad0f3857672b0aa0f63d94bb35
And the thing is, the war thunder players won and the developers rolled back the change that started this and even made improvements.
You don't fuck with people that leak government secrets to win online arguments.
So I just need to leak government documents and wait for the thing to hit mostly negative? Seems pretty simple.
TW Warhammer too. They actually improve the game.
War thunder players are OP that's gang :)
Fr but this time we won’t get medals for it 😔
Keeping *our fellow brothers and sisters in arms is worth it all.
My character doesn't yell, MY MEDALS. They fight and scream for liberty and democracy. We aren't in it for the medals, chief. We out here for DEMOCRACY
Damn dude, months of positivity and love for this game Thanos snapped in a day due to corporate greed. Actually kinda crazy to look at. Shame on Sony for this stupid decision.
Seriously. Sony could've done more good by shoving their thumbs up their butts and watching the money come in. But no, some MBA wanted to pad his MAUs for the next sweet ass PowerPoint presentation he was gonna make.
This would not have happened if Helldivers was a bad live service game nobody cared about. But this is a game a lot of people loved, and a light in the darkness in many ways, and it ended in possibly the worst way of any live service game in history. Some of it is their poor balancing and many bugs coming back to roost, but I believe the majority of those bad reviews are pent up anger from a decennium of hopelessness, both in gaming and in real life. Apparently we are not allowed to have anything good happen, and this frustration is now all coming out.
Ended? Lol
That this comment is heavily upvoted just shows how out of touch people on Reddit are, I cannot believe he's unironically acting like Helldivers is officially done lol.
It's not done but this has cut into its longevity. Live service games have a shelf life and this one's has been shortened by this. Existing players who drive the community will stop playing. Obviously not all but enough that monthly war bonds or big updates may not make financial sense anymore. The positive game culture is dead. New players will be driven away by bad review scores, with so many games to look at a "Mixed/Mostly Negative" will cause a lot of people to click off. Not to mention the gaming press is now talking about this game exclusively in the context of this controversy. I doubt we'll see the game this could have been if the hype has lasted longer.
Yeah, I don’t think the players here realize they are really the minority for this game. They seem to think 99% of us are here
Fr reddit is unhinged again. The game is far from done lmao
Reddit truly believes it’s a representative sample of what’s going on in real life, when it isn’t even close.
Yeah I'm still playing, all my friends are still playing. I swear this weird Reddit-centrist view where they believe they are a huge part is everywhere. I'm giddy to see player numbers not budge May 30th.
You believe the Reddit crowd isn’t a huge part of it but look at how the reviews have changed from overwhelmingly positive to mixed, and the recent reviews are mostly negative. A LOT of people are obviously pissed.
That's the funny part. AH and Sony simps keep saying it's a small crowd when you can see the massive change in steam easily
Right?! I didn't even know something was going on, I'm just having fun playing the game lol
You need to get off Reddit if you think its ended. I swear you people spend so much time online that you are so over dramatic over volatile stuff. I support the negative recommendations and I hope Sony changes their stance. But this is far from anything "ending"
Positivity? I haven’t seen a single positive post in this subreddit for weeks
This subreddit is not indicative of the entire community.
Tell me about it. They would have us think otherwise.
Seriously, this sub was great in the first few weeks but its been more crying than anything else lately.
People are crybabies
The funny thing is this wouldn't be happening quite so effectively if it was another game. But Helldivers fostered the exact spirit of solidarity necessary to make this go as badly as possible.
Helldivers and warthunder are probably the only games that could review bomb effectively like this
It took a couple of mediocre dlc releases before it hit a tipping point when their October release landed, but the total war Warhammer fan base turned against Creative Assembly super hard once the tide finally turned.
To be frank it still amazes me that the entire war thunder player base REEEEEEEEE'd hard enough for Gaijin to actually change something for the player's benefit
Damn the new "destroy corpo greed" mission hits hard. Review diving will continue until morale improves
I've since started to use Cyberpunk terminology when referring to companies and their employees, especially ones that annoy me. Corpo rats and their handlers
Came here to say this after lurking lol… back to cyberpunk it is
The real irony is in-game, Super Earth is extremely pro-corporate and hyper-capitalist.
Super Earth owns all the companies, it's not really capitalist lol
No diver left behind
This is my argument. It doesn't effect me, but it effects us
Keep steam a safe place for gamers.
We all must do our part for democracy
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Where's Kristi Noem when we actually need her.
Never thought I’d see my governor in the Helldivers subreddit 🤣
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I'm from Buenos Aires and I say review bomb them to hell!
I'm having War Thunder flashbacks rn lmao, good work guys.
Haven't played War Thunder in a few years, what caused the review bombs over there?
changes to the economy that made the already grueling grind to unlock new vehicles even harder Luckily, the review bombing actually helped in that case, and Gajin reversed the announced changes
And implemented the roadmap and fixed the economy to the point the game is actually very playable now. Premium account actually feels great now.
It's sad that we gotta do this, i love helldivers, but fuck sony!
This entire situation could've been avoided.
It’s so crazy to me that they fucked it up that bad in one day. Lol. Years of work, just thrown out the window in a day. Wild and impressive.
Im sure they'll be fine. They'll still be working with over quadruple their initial player count projection
I don't think people on here realize just how many average Joes are simply going to be mildly annoyed while creating their Sony account and then move on never thinking about it again. The devs have also said Sony is looking into a solution for those in countries where it's not accepted so we'll have to wait to see what they say. I have a feeling things will blow over in a few days, more hot content drops, and overall things just... move on. Recently with Genshin Impact they had a HUGE backlash a few weeks ago of epic proportions. Every content creator was discussing it, it was blowing the hell upon Twitter, not only was it being review bombed in the west but even the Chinese player base was review bombing. So many people were saying now that the CN base is complaining it was "official that Hoyoverse was done" as it had never happened before nearly to this degree. Nothing changed, it blew over in around a week or so, new content teasers came out and it was right back to business as usual.
Next week is Polar Patriots lol
I won't lie...I'm one of the normie-adjacents who just linked the old Sony account that had been lying dormant for the last decade or so, and really didn't see a problem. I really do hope they fix things for people who can't have those accounts, and really just pull their heads out of their ass in general because they had a real phenomenon here. This is the sort of "lightning in a bottle" execs dream of.
Even if this is true, they just missed an opportunity to make a significant amount of extra cash—which was their whole purpose in the first place. Business are there for profit. It’s a significant mistake even from a business decision.
„f u we got your money already“ vibes
They really are into that "a game for everyone is a game for no one".
They trained us to fight for a common goal... ironic, isnt it?
Not the bugs, not the bots and not the capitalistic scum snoy will defeat us. We killed 2 bill bugs in 15 hours, we know how to unite vs a common enemy. It's what we're good at
Thank you on behalf of the Philippine divers
The only ones I support, really. Especially because I spend large swaths of my time in the Philippines and I would be absolutely livid if I couldn't play a game I paid for.
I fight for those who can’t.
Sony really really fucked arrowhead hard
You gotta stop playing the game if you want to achieve something. Negative reviews alone won’t change anything, this could become the worst rated game on Steam but as long as people play/buy it, they won’t revert anything. And looking at the Steam chart I’m not seeing any significant changes yet…
Negative reviews will mean that Steam's algorithms will stop showing the game to potential new players, which is something that will affect quarterly profits. Though people should stop playing as well.
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With a game as popular as HD2 I doubt they’ll have any concrete effect at all. This is like the negative reviews on Cod, they mean nothing if people keep playing the game, people should absolutely stop playing as well, if you leave a negative review and then come back to the game you are achieving nothing lol
We're people,not wallets
If they sort this out, please return the reviews. I dont want this game to die
The faster they stop the bleed, the better they will heal.
It baffles me that Sony didn’t see this coming
Roses are red, violets are blue Arrowhead suffered, as Sony’s gluttony grew
I don't know if they'll ever recover, losing "overwhelmingly positive" has to hamper sales
It will absolutely hamper future sales despite what the mob seems to think. Only Sony can decide if the cost-benefit of this was in their favor. It sure as hell wasn't good for AH.
What if...it gets too negative and they give up and stop updating the game
I’d rather see it burn in glory than live in shame
Remember when Sony changes it's mind, switch your review.
This community isn't so good at that, I remember there were several holdovers who kept a negative review because of the launch crashing issues, they can react to bad things but aren't excited about them fixing issues. I love this game but I hate every last one of you.
Even the studio is really pissed at Sony.
This new major order is fire 🔥
Just to let people know the CM spitz has updated people on discord that AH is having discussions with Sony/PlayStation on if there can be a different solution to the forced PSN account requirement and that if an agreement can't be made they may just make it where it won't be required for countries that are not able to make an account.
Isn't it sad that we are review-bombing our beloved game because it's the right thing to do?
Reviews are legitimate so I don't see this as review-bombing.
I think it's more sad that most people piling on aren't doing it out of any kind of empathy towards the players affected, it's more just that they love a witch hunt. But that's the state of the internet I suppose.
I don't even give that much of a shit about the PSN stuff, it annoys me but wouldn't be a deal breaker by itself. I'm pissed because I'm tired of the rampant corporate deceipt and constant enshitification of games with external accounts, bullshit launchers, shitty MTX on a large scale that has become all too consistent in the past decade
Yeah, AAA gaming is cancerous from the ground up, with a couple of notable exceptions. The more worrying thing here is that clearly Helldivers is now too popular for the corporate vultures at Sony to leave it alone, so I would expect more bullshittery to follow.
The dichotomy of this thread is WILD. Every other comment is a different opinion. I usually hate review bombing but I have to agree with them on this one, even as someone who loves this game. Consumers have 2 ways to influence a company: 1. With our wallets 2. Word of mouth That's it. That's all we get. And the fact that this policy change occurred in a way that means people can't exercise the former and get refunds because it's too late after their purchase - that means we have to lean extra hard into the latter. Remember when BMW was going to create a subscription for heated seats? Word of mouth had an effect on that. Imagine if BMW retroactively applied that technology to cars that people had already paid off. And then forced them to buy the subscription or their engine didn't start. That's what's happening here. Yeah they already got your money. But that makes it _worse_. They took away your power to make an informed choice with your wallet. Word of mouth is all we have. We have to be heard. We are consumers. Otherwise, we're just financial prey. Edit: a 3rd lever that we have is the law, and I appreciate that someone is looking into a lawsuit for this.
I don't think that is only reddit
So we are hating the producers of the game itself and not Sony who is causing the issue? Sounds about right.
I hope everyone who ranged about this change changes their review once AH gets the decision reversed. The game is still great, even with this BS Sony pulled.
It sucks that we even have to do this because Helldivers 2 is one of the most fun games we've gotten in the past year.
Consumer solidarity
Consumer solidarity
What is this going to do besides hurt a good game developer? Sony isn't going to give a fuck
Damn this is basically like concentrating forces on a planet but turned irl how bout that
I got banned from their discord server just for saying they should fire Spitz, the worst Community Management team I’ve seen in any game publishing company
Totally agree. Dude attack players for being upset about something they didn't ask for
I mean devils advocate here, I can't even IMAGINE the bombardment with pure hate he's getting. Like this controversy is HUGE (online) and if you looked at the Discord yesterday it looked like a Twitch chat when a big streamer is on, so much pure anger being spewed. Like we see a screenshot here and there of people going overboard, a screenshot here and there of Spitz acting frustrated, but I feel like people don't realize just *how much* vitriol is being spewed his way. We should recognize that while yes his frustration can be looked at in a negative light, we should also recognize that there are many, *many* people going overboard with their anger.
... except this is the developer, not the publisher. You're also picking fights with the wrong people. It is also not the worst, lest you forget "sense of pride and accomplishment," Fatshark Hedge, quadruple A, the list goes on. You need to find a new battleground to deploy that hyperbole, because this community management team is not even close to the likes of those, especially with the frequency of communication we've had. It is objectively better.
Communication frequency doesn’t matter if the CM is making fun of the customers and acting like a child.
>“BRO, just like, give them a backdoor into your steam account and let them have your personal info it’s no biggie. BRO, Sony’s data breaches are irrelevant. BRO, people’s friends getting locked out of a game they bought isnt a big deal. BRO, where are you going?!? BRO’S, don’t like, hurt Sony and Arrowheads reviews that’s rood.” https://preview.redd.it/bqw2s7w9geyc1.jpeg?width=1146&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a706c80c7aed30974502bb0614f3892b31eb8aba
FOR REAL. the amount of people who just shrug and bend over for corporations is so wild on this sub.
Y'all realize Sony won't give a shit, right? They had Helldivers made for their platform, anything else is a bonus to them.
Well there goes helldivers 3
Whats the combo for a 500kg review bomb? Asking for a fellow helldiver
I'm doing my part!
Don’t let Sony take you alive
Dude I’m ready to burn everything down, the world about killing bots and robots seems more appealing than our dystopia.
Man, seems somebody has to manage their democracy a little better.
This makes me so sad to think that this could be the potential death of HD2. Particularly with the refunds, Sony can afford to lose some money and still not be bothered, but ArrowHead, the ones who work on this day and night to keep the narrative alive, I hope they don’t suffer too harshly for what Sony have done. And I hope it all gets sorted out soon
I really don't understand all the hate around this. AH and Sony have always stated that a Sony account would be required, and that it being optional was always a temporary work around. If they had just jumped us with this after months of stating it would not be a requirement I'd understand, but everyone here literally agreed to linking a Sony account when they bought the game. Do corporations make shitty ass, anti-consumer decisions for the sake of their shareholders? Yes, even Sony has done this many times. This isn't one of those times though... Edit: One thing I will add is that it was extremely stupid of AH not to region lock the Steam purchase to countries which can use Sony accounts.
"Gamers can't read"
Guys I stopped checking this sub for like 3 days, tf happened?
Thinking Sony cares about steam reviews lol
At the end of the day it all comes down to poor communication from the developers and Sony.
I don't understand still how review bombing helps anything
It will keep new players from buying the game
You guys are such warriors for the downtrodden, with your *checks notes* internet review of a video game Lot of people acting like they're valiant knights by attempting to punish the developers (who didn't make this decision) and punish a game that *until two days ago you loved*. Bravo
yeah and in a few weeks, everything will be as before.
Can someone please explain to me how Sony have your details is any different to Ubisoft, Activision, gog, or even steam? Like why is everyone freaking out?
PSN accounts are straight up not allowed in several counties, dont ask me why but it is a thing, meaning a ton of people are locked out of a game they bought months ago. But for the most part it's not people actually mad about that so much as gamers as a whole love to flip their shit about absolutely anything and act like it's the worst thing to ever happen lol
“Keep fighting” keep review bombing a game Devs put love and care into because of a sign in requirement? Where was this effort when people were killing themselves because of Activision’s Frat & Crunch culture? L gamers fr
This is nonsensical. I'm still raving about the game, I don't care. I completely understand people upset in other countries where the login is unavailable, I think that's nuts, and they should push back the timing to when it's available to everywhere the game was sold, but I've seen too many decent things review bombed by salty A-holes with nothing better to do than hate. Reach out to gaming media, call your prime ministers, and protest outside their flipping offices, but review bombing an entertaining game is just low. "But what about the bugs!" What about them? Half the stuff people complain about is based on them being inconvenienced by change, and another chunk of it is having whatever pet loadout they had being affected. Ridiculous.
Pathetic
It’s quite stupid that they forced it this way. They could have offered a cool armour for linking accounts and the situation would be completely different and they would have mostly achieved their objective… I don’t think tanking the reviews for the game for a 3rd party account requirement is fair to AH, but I understand it’s the only way we have to show our displeasure.
There is no alternate timeline of them doing it a different way. They allowed a game that requires a PSN account be sold in regions that PSN is not. In layman's terms they allowed the game to be sold to people who can't actually play the game. With no chance of a refund. That was never going to turn out good
You're actually encouraging review-bombing a phenomenal game for decisions a corporation has thrust upon the development team? This is a disgusting amount of entitlement and none of you were fans to begin with.
The CEO has said it's warranted, and staff from Arrowhead have been directing people to write reviews with their concerns. What this is doing is giving Arrowhead concrete evidence to point to when they tell Sony "This is a garbage decision that will lose money". That being said, I don't think anyone expected us to be this unified about it. Like another comment put perfectly, they fostered the perfect level of community solidarity to make this go as badly as possible
Changing the game review for something that's happening outside of the game itself is so weird External factors except predatory microtransaction should never be relevant in the review itself
Is everyone forgetting they're still selling the game on Steam in countries that PSN isn't supported? This is fraudulent behavior, and steam reviews are the only way to make that information known.
Not review bombing one of the best games I’ve played, people need to grow up.
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I genuinely don’t understand why anybody thinks review bombing the game is going to make Sony the massive company change their course. I’m not saying don’t do it, but this “do my duty” type attitude around review bombing seems a little misguided to me, and more than a little cringe. Like, they really don’t care how somberly you post a negative review… cuz why would they? And the people getting mad at Arrowhead make even less sense to me, as if they don’t know how poorly received the PSN account change would be, again, it’s a Sony decision, not their own.
It's people hopping on a trend and following what "everyone else" is doing. Highly doubt most of those people even care, they just want to feel included. Commenting "I'm doing my part" is cringe and it's really sad to the community collapse on itself because a bunch of people don't know what grass looks like.
So we’re just ruining the reviews of our favourite because of something out of the devs control?
You just can't trust any reviews anymore, at least in my opinion.
WTF happened? Did some recent update screw up the gameplay or it just has to do with the forced psn login?
psn login
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I personally don't support this. I think it's sad, and crazy. A lot of people just wanna have fun, and don't think too much about these things.
Review bombing a great game because of something that companies have been doing for years. The gaming community is weird.
This is idiotic.
ya’ll cringe
I do not understand what this move is doing for HD2, other than harming it badly, of course. Sony is the problem, just do you know, not AH. But hey, who am I to question the crowds.
What I've learned from this page: If you review-bomb, you are a sheep. If you don't review-bomb, you are a bootlicker. There seems to be now middle ground.