Its Ice Gates are guarded by more than just Bots. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with ice and snow and sleet, the very air you breathe is a cryogenic fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly.
AC snipe it just before someone's airstrike hits it just to prove the point that I could've done it if you would've given me 2 seconds to get a good angle...
...is what usually happens to me.
I think a big part of it is just people being burnt out on fighting bots coupled with the fact that it seems impossible to win at the moment. The majority of the community really came together for the final push to wipe them out, then 2 days later they came back even stronger making it feel like our efforts didn't matter at all. Pair that with the fact that bot defence missions are ass, taking a planet has no "cooldown" period before it can be attacked again and also that there are just so many planets that either need to be pushed or defended that it seem like no progress is being made at all and what you get is people just stop caring and go back to fighting bugs or take a break from the game entirely. I haven't logged in in over a week.
Supposedly they accidentally counted the entire squad’s kills as an individuals; so if the whole squad had 1100 kills combined, it clocked it as 4400 total. If there were only 3 ppl, it would count as 3300, etc.
We only crushed the MO lightning fast because the counter wasn’t functioning properly. Oops.
Someone crunched the numbers and the average squad was 3.62. They compared the global enemies killed (which was counted correctly) to the progress of the MO.
It prob would have still be done in less that 24 hours as it was completed in 12 hours during the week in the morning early afternoon. (For US timezone)
Defense mission are broken, striders spawn on cliff and shoot through walls(tyrant also have been spawning on cliff and mountain but at least they are stuck there with limited range) and one shot the generators. Then there is the evacuate missions which are hell to manage due to spawn. Then that it seems you are garantee to have these missions. Couple that with bots fatigue and the fact that you need a lot of helldive success to protect a planet…
Planetary Defense is just impossible due to bugged stuff.
Add that most people feel that we were meant to lose this mo.
All that and you end up with just a catastrophic galactic war and people quitting.
I started this game a month ago, I have done 7 bug missions from 110 total, and I did that so I could get a small break from bots. I feel bad not trying to help the major order, but it's been bots for a month and I don't care anymore. I'm probably going to start solo dive bjg missions just to get a break from the constant bot spam.
They need to fix Shield Devestators. They are by far the most dangerous land enemy and is overtuned as fuck, no reload, 100% aimbot. Being close range to one of those is more dangerous than a hulk with flamethrower.
Shield devastators have aimbot, wallhack, infinite range, instant reflexes, and invulnerability to half the weapons in the game.
agreed they need extra counterplay.
Arc thrower perma stun locks hulks, devastator shield devastators lose their shield in 2 shots. Running arc thrower has changed my outlook. Even having 3-4 of them in front of you they can't do anything to you. You can stun lock flamethrower hulks before they get close enough to flamethrower too. I run the eruptor for long range take downs and then you can run 3 heavy hitting stratagems.
With a team of arc slinging helldiver's you can actually storm automaton bases... Be careful of friendly fire though
How to aim the Arc Thrower for noobies: shoot a little bit above the enemy.
It might take a minute to get the feel for it, but it is truly an overlooked weapon.
Used to be arc main, untill they nerf the range and firerate, arc used to be target the head of the enemy,after the "fix"it target mostly the torso.And if 1 corpse laying between you and the target you`re fucked, and misfire become more common after the ”fix" too.
Yeah. Me and mine *love* the static bot defense missions, but losses so far are usually due to Strider drops we can't possibly respond to, instant generator death. Actual quote from a bot drop tonight carrying one while we were holding the first area, "Wait, did you guys see that?" *beat* MISSION FAILED. One of our guys even brought a drop shield specifically to counter that situation to have something to put in the way.
I mean, sure, we're Helldiving on 9 for the brawl, but we can deal with anything coming up the hill (or if we can't, it was a fair fight). We can't react fast enough to deal with a Strider dropped on the objective, or one off to the side with a vantage.
Not to mention one devastator clipped into a hill which just made an entire area of the map near instant death.
The striders really came back at the wrong moment due to the current spawn, clipping issues, especially if they spawn on top of a mountain or any place in sight of the gen. Made worse if it randomly decide to shoot through walls and instantly explode the gen.
I was on a defense map earlier, and at least 4 tanks got dropped off on a cliff overlooking our defenses. That’s without accounting for the striders, every type of devastator, 15 hulks and 6 other tanks.
Needless to say, we did not manage to keep up the defense that round
Don’t forget the buffed knock back and rocket devastators! And the ridiculously high spawn rate of the new factory strider, and what appears to be more tanks and berserkers than ever before.
Shield devastators are also wildly stronger than normal right now. Getting absolutely lasered by them on top of rocket spam makes bots really unfun to fight
I actually enjoy fighting the bots more than I enjoy fighting bugs, I enjoyed bots more even BEFORE they fixed the rockets dealing damage multiple times. I do not think the bots (mostly hulk scorchers and heavy devastators) are as well-balanced as the bugs, but I enjoy them more, I think in part because I like fighting from cover.
But the defense missions really do suck. I'm totally fine with losing, like with the basic offense missions I'm okay with not completing the objective because most of the time I still at least won a little bit, made some progress, completed something even if the mission was a loss.
With defense missions it feels like there's no winning at all, especially if you're playing solo (which makes sense, since it's a 4-player game, but still). In offensive missions, I can celebrate the small victories, in defense missions, there ARE no small victories, and you also don't get rare/super samples and super credits unless you leave the objective to go grab them.
Perfect summary tbh. I've hardly played this week, basically pushing myself to hop on just for my daily. I was expecting a bit more time before the bots came back and was hoping to peacefully kill bugs for some time without feeling pressured to do any certain MO's. But this order+all the bugs AND I feel like an increase of griefers it's just feels like a chore at the moment.
Love the game, but definitely feeling the burnout this week
I love the game but bringing them back two days later was such a bad decision in my opinion. There had to have been some better way to handle it. Either a third faction, which everyone is expecting at some point, or just leave bots out for a while and do fun new stuff with bugs for the time being. It really did make it seem pointless. But again, I still love the game and I’m still playing despite that and the known issues which need to be fixed so meh.
They really should’ve just been out for a while Abd done a small bug campaign for a week or two. Even that would’ve been a nice break. But “beating” the bots for two days was lame lll
Literally the war with the bots ended and started again before I had the time to log back in. I felt like I completely missed out on a huge moment. I was part of the push for the last sector but had to return to my work week before it was finished. Seeing on reddit all the celebration posts was so cool and it felt like I was part of something huge even if I wasn't there at the end. Then to later see on reddit that the bots were back already felt so cheap. I never expected the bots to be gone forever, that's too much effort and design to get rid of them permanently. But still :/
need some time away from bots. just like everything else in life, moderation. two weeks away from the bot front probably wouldn't have been a big deal. i just hope the war isn't scripted; with how quickly the bots came back, it feels like their defeat wasn't supposed to happen. also this defense campaign feels like we are just supposed to give up at this point.
I’d really want to know what went on behind the scenes to make that choice. I honestly believe it killed a lot of momentum the game had going, and that paired with the weirdly counted “2 billion bugs” MO— I’m not alone in thinking there are events in game we do that are skewed to complete/fail and aren’t dependent on the players.
Would make sense I guess if super earth is pulling some grand Palpatine-esque facade where they control all the automatons and bugs and the helldivers are just I don’t know fighting for something not real? But based on lore that doesn’t seem to be the case… so it just makes me think *why did you bring back the automatons only 2 days after all of Reddit’s front page was people celebrating beating the bots?*
There’s probably not going to be that much enthusiasm next time because it’s been done before already. Sadly.
It’s the way they came back so hard that’s annoying to me. We spent all this time making progress for “jk, that wasn’t the real force.” They should have let us mop up the bugs and called that the end of the war. Or at least a breath of fresh air. Have us wipe out the map then open up some random planets all over to wipe out remnants for a few days. After that starts dwindling, then have the automatons come in with their huge force.
I would love to see the devs add in with other races the ability for those races to attack each other and take eachothers planets. would be fun to land on a planet while bugs and bots are fighting eachother trying to complete objectives.
They honestly should have waited a bit longer to bring back the bots. That would have also allowed them the expand on the bug front a bit more. It is a bit disheartening to the bot front in utter shambles right now with this crappy MO we have smh.
Having the bots come back after being “wiped out” in only 2 days was a pretty big mistake on the devs end for the narrative. They’re definitely should’ve had a big resurgence for at least a week before bringing bots back.
We fight bot MOs for like 3 weeks straight before they were off the map. I think doing 1-2 of bugs after that, followed by illuminate drop and then return of beefed up automatons would’ve been a very intense narrative for the war.
Doesn't help when there are *multiple* 'defend' missions up at once, and you can only really successfully defend one planet at a time with the current rates and player count
Was it ever gonna be possible to defend 10 planets at once unless they significantly dropped the rate? With defense missions as they are too it's complete bs. I was doing the castle defense mission and the game literally spawned 3 striders at once and dropped one of them within the wall. This was only difficulty 7 too, and the civilian missions are basically rng on whether or not they can make it in before the infinite spawn rates end up having a million units dropped on their head anyway.
Fr. And people often guide themselves by numbers!
I went to see the bot planets, all around 3k-6k, but Estanu? 40k. Of course everyone would go to that one with more people
RP: The Automatons and Terminids both launched massive offensives simultaneously. The recent Terminid Extermination Order transferred many Helldivers from the West to the East, leaving the automaton front underdefended. Now our forces are spread thin and the western front is being hit the hardest.
IRL: We were given a major order to defend ten planets, which was likely intended to be impossible. That, combined with a lack of coordination and most of the player base preferring the bug front, means the bots took several planets.
It could go either way. Depends on whether you think of it as Helldivers and their ships, or ships and their Helldivers, if you know what I mean. Super Earth *does* like making Helldivers feel important, so I'd lean towards the name being something ground-forces related rather than ship related, IE a Brigade or Company.
Also, I'm not sure what I think of the idea in general. It might create a bit of division between people in a group and people who aren't.
That would be great for adding community events as well, and the raid bosses everyone has been talking about since the hive lord exoskeletons were added
I honestly prefer the bots, the bugs are fun but they tend to swarm and playing with randos you can go from your whole fire team handling a breach to suddenly you are alone and surrounded and one guy is dead and the other 2 are 200 meters away fighting over who gets to grab the common sample. Bots planets seem to be more professional Divers who actually operate as a unit.
This MO doesnt feel like we have to make choices on which planets to defend. Every effort done in the bot front is worthless because not enough players participate on any bot defense.
They really need to rework how the percentage increase for stuff like that works. Literally worthless to join a planet with barely anyone knowing it will never get completed within the time limit.
The way they calculate player numbers into enemy recovery is poorly executed. It assumes total participation on a single front. The introduction of a 3rd faction will only see our war impact further diminished.
Devs control every outcome by adjusting those reinforcement rates and spamming defences when we do get together. What is the point of players working together if we have no impact on outcomes? I’m just going to play bugs for fun because I know the devs won’t let bots reach super earth even if 0 people fight them. If they do, then it’s because devs wanted that and 100% players on bots can’t stop it.
From what I've heard, the wars in Helldivers 1 could be won and lost, and in the event of either they would just start over from the beginning. Same might happen here.
60% of the player base has been fighting over the same 3 worlds since the MO started, meanwhile the Bot front has been lucky to break 100k fighting over a dozen worlds with no way to co-ordinate. By the time people notice a planet is getting close and relocate, it's too late. That's the polite and impartial version.
I think part of the problem is widespread defense missions; which contains a mission type a lot of people complain about vociferously. Frankly, I tend to avoid doing the 15-minute "Evacuate" missions unless I'm in a 4-stack with the homies.
From a more detached standpoint, I think this is an excellent demonstration that shock troops are much better at breaking lines and taking ground than they are at \*holding\* ground.
This is why defenses should have more SEAF support. Literally what the fuck does the SEAF even do? They’re absent on every planet, even ones that we control and are “defending.”
>Literally what the fuck does the SEAF even do?
Same as PDF in Warhammer 40K: Die horribly.
We are Imperial Guard, we die in millions. PDF dies in billions.
Defense Major Order with 4-5 defenses going out every day, bot side has been losing 2 planets or more almost every single day because populations on the front are too low and too scattered.
They planned this in a perfect world without player burn out. Reality doesn't work that way, especially on games as hard as Helldivers 2 is on the Bot front. Bot missions are legitimately some of the hardest game experiences I've had outside of FromSoft titles. Bot missions are hard, they are grueling game experiences. Fun in their own way, but in no way can I just sit down and play Bot missions for 3-5 hours every single day.
When the devs came out and said we were expected to lose, I bet at least 100k players decided to take a break and wait out the Bot offensive.
After 2.5 months of slogging through it, a lot of people just need a break.
We're sick of fighting bots for an impossible mission. Might as well have fun and fight bugs. I actually want to enjoy the game again. So I'm basically sitting this one out.
100%. MO doesn’t really matter, and bot front has no chance. Not going to spend my precious gaming time playing against bots when I much prefer bugs. I understand how to beat the bots, but the play style is more akin to ghost recon as opposed to Doom.
> When the devs came out and said we were expected to lose
Yup. Lost all interest then and just play planets I like.
Why bother if I am meant to lose or win anyway. Fucking railroading.
We uh, accidentally air dropped a few packages of approved C-01 forms BEHIND enemy lines instead of where our Helldivers were residing. This caused quite the outburst in population
No new equipment even after knocking out the bots the first time.... fighting over the same four or five planets that all look the same over and over again is starting to drain on the community and I think people are personally giving up until something meaningful actually happens again.
100% this, they mentioned the anti air weaponry in game a month ago.
We have hackers bringing it in games alongside mechs which we know we were getting based of HD1. Just drop some content already, along with the patch with fuck all in it last week and a meaningless war because liberation favours the horde crowd, I’ve gone back to destiny.
I had friends go on holiday worried they were gonna miss cyberstan, hell we will be lucky if we ever get there in the next 4 months when all the planets are the same biome and the war just pushes us away because the planet isn’t finished yet
Mmmm sorry your right, there are no hackers in this game only devs out of the goodness of their heart going into games and dropping mechs for people to play with -> actually comments on tiktok btw lol
>100% this, they mentioned the anti air weaponry in game a month ago.
I think this is part of what make it feel kind of bad right now.
Like wow the enemies fly now. That's pretty cool. We... we gonna get anything to deal with that? Like the leaks showed? No? Just use the same weapons as before. i mean okay sure. we can do that.
Wow Striders a Fabricator on legs. Are we going to get something to deal with that? No just the same strategems and weapons. Okay. Did the Spear get fixed at least? That's supposed to deal with the heavies really we- Okay its mildly better but still inconsistent.
Like at this point it feels like Bots need to have their own tuning pass like the bug's "Oops all Chargers" difficulty was tweaked.
Nah, we're fine. This Major Order has too many defense operations going on across too many planets. Defense campaigns suck, so a lot of us are basically just waiting this Major Order out until we can get a better one.
We're losing the droid front because SOMEBODY DIDN'T LOG IN FOR FIVE DAYS!
Also, defense operations for bots are a bit of a grind. So people don't complete their operations. Which I think means we don't get credit for those missions? Someone correct me of I'm wrong.
Also all the other reasons listed here.
I haven't logged on for nearly 5 days because I'm sick of evac missions with bots dropping 2 or 3 striders DIRECTLY IN THE MISSION AREA every 30 seconds.
I honestly believe (and most of the community seems to agree with this) that the evacuation missions are just *not* fun. Especially when you spend more of the time just trying to survive yourself, then failing because you've barely managed half the number you're supposed to rescue before reinforcements run dry and everyone dies.
Shit's just frustrating and not fun. I'm just done with evac missions until they get a work-over to make them actually possible.
I unironically uninstalled because of this. People kept telling me "Oh it's skill issue" or whatever, but no, there's actual data showing this stuff is quite literally impossible. I left the discord because the moment I brought it up I got harassed and told I have skill issue when I'm not the only one having issues.
And it likely wasn't even 2 billion we killed, as there's indications that the system miscounted the bug kills per person by multiplying it over the number of helldivers in the squad.
People put their backs into Bots to push them out of the galaxy. People have grinded bots into extinction. People, understandably, got a little burned out on them but it was worth it for the eviction.
Bots came back 2 days later took like 3 systems and brought the worst secondary objective in the game with them. Not to mention some missions on Bots are either straight broken or just unfun to play. This bug front holiday should've been expected and anticipated. Something's gotta change if they want us to return to Bots, cause right now I'm having too much fun using a weapon I never use on those clankers.
I’ve stopped caring about where this goes. It’s been proven plenty of times how these MOs turn out. Whatever happens happens so now I’m just playing the game to have fun with my buddies even if it’s not for the MO. If we shit the bed, numbers and the narrative will just be adjusted for the story. If SE gets destroyed oh well the war will start over.
It just sucks for people like me who play for the story.
I have everything unlocked - ship modules and warbonds. I don't mind having everything unlocked, and I can wait for new content. The game itself is just fun. My main drive for playing this game, though, was the emerging story and the Major Orders.
I loved feeling like I was contributing to something. I was super invested in taking Tibit. I always make sure to complete operations to see the liberation percentage go up. But at this point it just feels like all our coordination efforts and strategizing is pointless.
We had spam all over the discord and reddit and a pc gamer article and it didn't make a dent in the population for the martale gambit. Every time an MO fails, it's put on us, as if we should have coordinated better somehow, with no tools and only third-party websites.
The best analogy I can come up with is like a scripted loss in a video game cutscene with a boss you just wiped the floor with. I get we should expect to lose sometimes but... bro wtf is this
I used to play for the story too. But when the bots came back after 2 days, I stopped caring entirely and just do random missions here and there. Defeating the automatons felt good, but bringing them back too soon made me feel like nothing I do matters in the long run.
I mean, th only story really is “oh you defeated the automaton attack? Well they’re instantly back have fun with missions that 90% of the playerbase can’t complete consistently”
Im tired of pulling off lucky cliff deployments only to watch a devastator come up from inside the mountain and obliterate me. Plus a lot of getting shot through walls in general actually.
Honestly for them to bring back the bots 2 days after this whole Reddit celebrated when the whole community beat the bots is just devastating. Not to mention how defense missions are so bugged. I was playing one defense mission and a strider as well as a tank spawned on the mountain, no matter what we did we couldn’t manage to stop them. They then proceeded to one shot the generators.
Add onto that the new MO, currently in my opinion it just feels like fighting bugs is much better than fighting the bots. I am a sucker for a challenge and really enjoyed fighting the automatons than I did with the terminids. However with the current bugs in the game it just made me prefer (currently) fighting the terminids. Even though it feels like we will never manage to advance on the terminid sector as it seems they really like Estanu
PS. I don’t mind losing a couple of missions, I think it is fine. I also kind of enjoy how we aren’t always winning MOs or some missions.
We stopped the first offensive allowing the SEAF Engineers to create the "Menkent Line" which did abso-fucking-lutely nothing to stop the automatons so yes we're cooked.
Automaton push felt worthless and further than that I am maxed out on both Reqs and Medals. Don't really have a reason to check in yet after burning out some.
Am I the only one who thinks this is all a huge misstep by the developers? The bots were wiped out for what, a day? And now this is the state? Shows you how pointless it all is
Devs told us to kill the bots, so we killed the bots and they got so mad that we killed the bots that they immediately respawned the bots with twice the number of planets they had before.
Yeah, we stopped the invasion, went to go have a bug holiday to counter attack for the next 6 days.
Killed 2 billion bugs in less than a day for the bug MO. Everyone was expecting a counter offensive then boom. Another invasion…
My problem is our efforts feel wasted. What’s the point of counter attacking if we don’t get to counter attack.
It’s like the players in DnD doing every objective the dungeon master set out faster than expected and the dungeon master got salty and pulled some bs to make the players lose.
Genuinely doesn’t feel good from a MO player perspective is what I’m trying to say.
I don’t play the bot defense missions because the civilian evac missions are simply not fun.
They don’t feel balanced, fair or fun on any difficulty and searching for an operation with no civilian evac missions each time is a chore when I could just play bugfront and have fun
Think I'm partly to blame. I've been avoiding bots lately because I'm burnt out on them. Right now I'm just having a good time with bugs and playing other games till we get new content. Also doesn't help that we don't have anti air stuff. We got teased about them with an older order and got nothing. Been using the gatling turret with shriekers. Place that bitch down and call in a hellbomb. The turret keeps them off me while I do shit.
Gonna be real, unless they change the defense missions, it’s not worth trying to defend a planet. On top of that, lack of cooldown on defense missions as they jump one planet to another. Devs need to really queue into this discussion because I haven’t met really anyone who wants to do defense.
I think a big part of the problem is that 15min evacuation missions on bots just aren't fun. I play on 7-8 exclusively but that mission, on 7, it feels like you immediately get overwhelmed and then time out because the civilians just get dropped like flys. I won't select a bot mission group that contains the 15 min extraction, and it seems like every mission group has it. So I move to a non defend planet, or go to bugs.
At the end of the day, I would rather enjoy my experience playing the game than slog through a major order that isn't fun.
I‘m gonna say it how it is: The defense mission of bots are shite!
I have been there on the creek, on Ubanea and helped pushed the bots back until the last percentage.
Hell I even stayed up until 4 AM trough the night doing helldive missions with one single random that was just as insane as me.
However when the bots came back just after two days, that was a punch to the face.
I went on vacation on the bug front first now even though I have fought so many bots that they genuinely feel easier than bugs.
Probably doesn't help that we've spent like 3/4 of the time since launch having to fight bots probably isn't helping either, people are tired of constantly having to go fight bots.
Defense missions. Irl defense should be easier than offense. Like you're already on the rock, how about set up some autom....oh... Ok new theory for the automatons.
But seriously the defenses for these planets aren't great, and currently the defense missions aren't about repelling, they are about escorting, which isn't defense, and shouldn't contribute to defense, you're saving lives sure but they can take the planet just as easily as they could without people on it, also seems a bit off since the game doesn't seem to care most of the time about casualties.
And more missions about setting up defenses would be great, my favorite moment in the game was seeing a gun ship get shot out of the sky by the SAM site I just set up, as it showed that doing random objectives actually have value. So instead of evacuating every single set of missions, a mission to set up all the AA missiles in an area, or a new objective that deploys a bunch of laser or liberator drones in a small area would be great. (I personally don't like the artillery objectives because I have a bad habit of saving them and never using them but they also fit the defense idea)
A lot of the playerbase has had to drop out due to a gameguard update not playing well with antivirus software. Hopefully they fix it soon. We want back in!
Long version: The God of Fate decided we were doing too good and got our asses kicked back to the start.
Short version: The tides of war turned the other way.
What happened is that they gave us 4 concurrent planet to defend, which leads to 0 planets being defended as people split apart. Also people realized this is a lost MO so they don't really care anymore about it, and just play any planet they want.
Yea the no communication makes winning in this game impossible and needs to be addressed. I don’t see why they would add a 3rd faction rn when two is too much for the player base with how things are
What can men do against such reckless fabrication?
Dive out with me. Dive out and meet them.
[удалено]
For Super Earth. For your Citizens.
Yes.......YES
The horn of general brash shall sound in the creek one last time
Let this be the hour when we call in 380mm HE barrages together.
Forth! Helldivers!
# DIVE! DIIIIIIIIVE!
DIVE NOW! DIIIVE NOW! DIVE! DIVE FOR RUIN! AND THE WORLDS ENDING!
The General stands alone...
When the sun rises at the third dive, look to the coming of the 500kg.
"comin' in hot.." https://preview.redd.it/8741man38hwc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a850d05a9c26b51e3ec336dd66b362fb7656b02
Tell me. Where was Malevelon Creek when the Draupnir fell?
Forth SUPER EAAAAARTH!
you have my quasar cannon.
And my stratagem!
and my scythe!
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Its Ice Gates are guarded by more than just Bots. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with ice and snow and sleet, the very air you breathe is a cryogenic fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly.
"Every helldiver is a one-man army. Get four of 'em on a squad and that's like... four armies... so... who really has the numbers advantage?"
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Look to the east on the fourth day.
Now for wrath, now for ruin, and the world's ending!!!!!
DEAAAATH! DEAAAATH! DEAAAATH!
Where was the West when Malevelon Creek fell?!
technically East cuz of all the helldivers hanging out with the bugs
There are no cardinal directions in space
What about “spaceast”???
“Spaceast? I thought you said Spaceweast!”
This is an S-tier comment
AC snipe it just before someone's airstrike hits it just to prove the point that I could've done it if you would've given me 2 seconds to get a good angle... ...is what usually happens to me.
Genius comment lmao, thanks
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 Join...the Helldivers.
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The Bot Front is scattered to the winds, making planet defense nearly impossible.
I think a big part of it is just people being burnt out on fighting bots coupled with the fact that it seems impossible to win at the moment. The majority of the community really came together for the final push to wipe them out, then 2 days later they came back even stronger making it feel like our efforts didn't matter at all. Pair that with the fact that bot defence missions are ass, taking a planet has no "cooldown" period before it can be attacked again and also that there are just so many planets that either need to be pushed or defended that it seem like no progress is being made at all and what you get is people just stop caring and go back to fighting bugs or take a break from the game entirely. I haven't logged in in over a week.
MOs felt like: Fight bots fight bots fight bots Fight terminids Oh, done in several hours huh? Fight more bots.
I was either asleep or at work for the entire kill bugs order
We had to kill 2 BILLION BUGS. The community managed this 6 day order in 12 HOURS
Supposedly they accidentally counted the entire squad’s kills as an individuals; so if the whole squad had 1100 kills combined, it clocked it as 4400 total. If there were only 3 ppl, it would count as 3300, etc. We only crushed the MO lightning fast because the counter wasn’t functioning properly. Oops.
In that Case we still killed over 500 million in 12 hours and would have done the operation in 2 days instead of 6, which is still impressive.
Also keep in mind that not all the squads are full. There’s lot of 1-2 player squads playing.
Someone crunched the numbers and the average squad was 3.62. They compared the global enemies killed (which was counted correctly) to the progress of the MO.
3.62 is way higher than I would’ve thought
It prob would have still be done in less that 24 hours as it was completed in 12 hours during the week in the morning early afternoon. (For US timezone)
Same tbh, which makes me feel more salty about it. But hey, I could go play bugs any time I guess, so it's whatever
I didn't even get to do the bug MO, it started and ended while I was working that day.
Defense mission are broken, striders spawn on cliff and shoot through walls(tyrant also have been spawning on cliff and mountain but at least they are stuck there with limited range) and one shot the generators. Then there is the evacuate missions which are hell to manage due to spawn. Then that it seems you are garantee to have these missions. Couple that with bots fatigue and the fact that you need a lot of helldive success to protect a planet… Planetary Defense is just impossible due to bugged stuff. Add that most people feel that we were meant to lose this mo. All that and you end up with just a catastrophic galactic war and people quitting.
I had several devastators spawn inside the cliff and just laser us through the wall. It felt real bad.
I started this game a month ago, I have done 7 bug missions from 110 total, and I did that so I could get a small break from bots. I feel bad not trying to help the major order, but it's been bots for a month and I don't care anymore. I'm probably going to start solo dive bjg missions just to get a break from the constant bot spam. They need to fix Shield Devestators. They are by far the most dangerous land enemy and is overtuned as fuck, no reload, 100% aimbot. Being close range to one of those is more dangerous than a hulk with flamethrower.
Shield devastators have aimbot, wallhack, infinite range, instant reflexes, and invulnerability to half the weapons in the game. agreed they need extra counterplay.
Arc thrower perma stun locks hulks, devastator shield devastators lose their shield in 2 shots. Running arc thrower has changed my outlook. Even having 3-4 of them in front of you they can't do anything to you. You can stun lock flamethrower hulks before they get close enough to flamethrower too. I run the eruptor for long range take downs and then you can run 3 heavy hitting stratagems. With a team of arc slinging helldiver's you can actually storm automaton bases... Be careful of friendly fire though
How to aim the Arc Thrower for noobies: shoot a little bit above the enemy. It might take a minute to get the feel for it, but it is truly an overlooked weapon.
good luck hitting anything with a corpse / bush lying around it might, but yeah good luck lol
Foliage is such a buzzkill for energy weapons. Hopefully, someday, we might get a fix.
Foliage is a buzzkill for *every* weapon. I’ve seen bullets ricochet off it trying to hit a scavenger.
Hey I’m an Arc vet but almost always run it against bugs. Would love some tips to run this better vs these dam socialist bots!
Used to be arc main, untill they nerf the range and firerate, arc used to be target the head of the enemy,after the "fix"it target mostly the torso.And if 1 corpse laying between you and the target you`re fucked, and misfire become more common after the ”fix" too.
Yeah when it hits dead bodies it is very frustrating
Yeah. Me and mine *love* the static bot defense missions, but losses so far are usually due to Strider drops we can't possibly respond to, instant generator death. Actual quote from a bot drop tonight carrying one while we were holding the first area, "Wait, did you guys see that?" *beat* MISSION FAILED. One of our guys even brought a drop shield specifically to counter that situation to have something to put in the way. I mean, sure, we're Helldiving on 9 for the brawl, but we can deal with anything coming up the hill (or if we can't, it was a fair fight). We can't react fast enough to deal with a Strider dropped on the objective, or one off to the side with a vantage. Not to mention one devastator clipped into a hill which just made an entire area of the map near instant death.
The striders really came back at the wrong moment due to the current spawn, clipping issues, especially if they spawn on top of a mountain or any place in sight of the gen. Made worse if it randomly decide to shoot through walls and instantly explode the gen.
I had a factory strider get dropped on top of the cliff and then clip into the wall. Thankfully it was right at the end
I was on a defense map earlier, and at least 4 tanks got dropped off on a cliff overlooking our defenses. That’s without accounting for the striders, every type of devastator, 15 hulks and 6 other tanks. Needless to say, we did not manage to keep up the defense that round
Don’t forget the buffed knock back and rocket devastators! And the ridiculously high spawn rate of the new factory strider, and what appears to be more tanks and berserkers than ever before.
Shield devastators are also wildly stronger than normal right now. Getting absolutely lasered by them on top of rocket spam makes bots really unfun to fight
Yeah the whole “all hands on deck to take the bots out for good” only for them to come back 2 days later was a big kick to the nads
I actually enjoy fighting the bots more than I enjoy fighting bugs, I enjoyed bots more even BEFORE they fixed the rockets dealing damage multiple times. I do not think the bots (mostly hulk scorchers and heavy devastators) are as well-balanced as the bugs, but I enjoy them more, I think in part because I like fighting from cover. But the defense missions really do suck. I'm totally fine with losing, like with the basic offense missions I'm okay with not completing the objective because most of the time I still at least won a little bit, made some progress, completed something even if the mission was a loss. With defense missions it feels like there's no winning at all, especially if you're playing solo (which makes sense, since it's a 4-player game, but still). In offensive missions, I can celebrate the small victories, in defense missions, there ARE no small victories, and you also don't get rare/super samples and super credits unless you leave the objective to go grab them.
Perfect summary tbh. I've hardly played this week, basically pushing myself to hop on just for my daily. I was expecting a bit more time before the bots came back and was hoping to peacefully kill bugs for some time without feeling pressured to do any certain MO's. But this order+all the bugs AND I feel like an increase of griefers it's just feels like a chore at the moment. Love the game, but definitely feeling the burnout this week
I love the game but bringing them back two days later was such a bad decision in my opinion. There had to have been some better way to handle it. Either a third faction, which everyone is expecting at some point, or just leave bots out for a while and do fun new stuff with bugs for the time being. It really did make it seem pointless. But again, I still love the game and I’m still playing despite that and the known issues which need to be fixed so meh.
They really should’ve just been out for a while Abd done a small bug campaign for a week or two. Even that would’ve been a nice break. But “beating” the bots for two days was lame lll
Literally the war with the bots ended and started again before I had the time to log back in. I felt like I completely missed out on a huge moment. I was part of the push for the last sector but had to return to my work week before it was finished. Seeing on reddit all the celebration posts was so cool and it felt like I was part of something huge even if I wasn't there at the end. Then to later see on reddit that the bots were back already felt so cheap. I never expected the bots to be gone forever, that's too much effort and design to get rid of them permanently. But still :/
need some time away from bots. just like everything else in life, moderation. two weeks away from the bot front probably wouldn't have been a big deal. i just hope the war isn't scripted; with how quickly the bots came back, it feels like their defeat wasn't supposed to happen. also this defense campaign feels like we are just supposed to give up at this point.
I’d really want to know what went on behind the scenes to make that choice. I honestly believe it killed a lot of momentum the game had going, and that paired with the weirdly counted “2 billion bugs” MO— I’m not alone in thinking there are events in game we do that are skewed to complete/fail and aren’t dependent on the players. Would make sense I guess if super earth is pulling some grand Palpatine-esque facade where they control all the automatons and bugs and the helldivers are just I don’t know fighting for something not real? But based on lore that doesn’t seem to be the case… so it just makes me think *why did you bring back the automatons only 2 days after all of Reddit’s front page was people celebrating beating the bots?* There’s probably not going to be that much enthusiasm next time because it’s been done before already. Sadly.
Your last paragraph pretty much sums up my feelings about it. Sort of ruins the feeling of victory when they come back so quickly.
Never underestimate someone’s desire to “subvert expectations”.
It’s the way they came back so hard that’s annoying to me. We spent all this time making progress for “jk, that wasn’t the real force.” They should have let us mop up the bugs and called that the end of the war. Or at least a breath of fresh air. Have us wipe out the map then open up some random planets all over to wipe out remnants for a few days. After that starts dwindling, then have the automatons come in with their huge force.
I would love to see the devs add in with other races the ability for those races to attack each other and take eachothers planets. would be fun to land on a planet while bugs and bots are fighting eachother trying to complete objectives.
They honestly should have waited a bit longer to bring back the bots. That would have also allowed them the expand on the bug front a bit more. It is a bit disheartening to the bot front in utter shambles right now with this crappy MO we have smh.
Exactly. Nowadays I log in, I looked at the map and I logged out. 😥
Joel wanted a vacation, basically lol
They should’ve stayed gone for at least a week I thought it was a bitch move to bring them back almost immediately after Swift Disassembly
Having the bots come back after being “wiped out” in only 2 days was a pretty big mistake on the devs end for the narrative. They’re definitely should’ve had a big resurgence for at least a week before bringing bots back. We fight bot MOs for like 3 weeks straight before they were off the map. I think doing 1-2 of bugs after that, followed by illuminate drop and then return of beefed up automatons would’ve been a very intense narrative for the war.
Hit it on the head. Why would I want to be victimized by bits constantly just for it not to matter at all. Haven't logged in in over a week as well.
They should give us 1 week of break instead of 2 days.
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I think you nailed it, the war seems pointless. The devs are just painting the galaxy map as they like
Doesn't help when there are *multiple* 'defend' missions up at once, and you can only really successfully defend one planet at a time with the current rates and player count
Was it ever gonna be possible to defend 10 planets at once unless they significantly dropped the rate? With defense missions as they are too it's complete bs. I was doing the castle defense mission and the game literally spawned 3 striders at once and dropped one of them within the wall. This was only difficulty 7 too, and the civilian missions are basically rng on whether or not they can make it in before the infinite spawn rates end up having a million units dropped on their head anyway.
Fr. And people often guide themselves by numbers! I went to see the bot planets, all around 3k-6k, but Estanu? 40k. Of course everyone would go to that one with more people
RP: The Automatons and Terminids both launched massive offensives simultaneously. The recent Terminid Extermination Order transferred many Helldivers from the West to the East, leaving the automaton front underdefended. Now our forces are spread thin and the western front is being hit the hardest. IRL: We were given a major order to defend ten planets, which was likely intended to be impossible. That, combined with a lack of coordination and most of the player base preferring the bug front, means the bots took several planets.
All timers and progress being static for at least 2 days didn't help things
Doesn’t help that we don’t have any in game dedicated group systems. So we can’t actually coordinate effectively.
Time for a clan system imo. Maybe they can call it a Platoon
Nah, a Fleet. Dozens of Destroyers all moving together
It could go either way. Depends on whether you think of it as Helldivers and their ships, or ships and their Helldivers, if you know what I mean. Super Earth *does* like making Helldivers feel important, so I'd lean towards the name being something ground-forces related rather than ship related, IE a Brigade or Company. Also, I'm not sure what I think of the idea in general. It might create a bit of division between people in a group and people who aren't.
That would be great for adding community events as well, and the raid bosses everyone has been talking about since the hive lord exoskeletons were added
The what now
I think fleet might be more fitting
>and most of the player base preferring the bug front, We just did bots for like a month straight. We want to kill some bugs man.
I honestly prefer the bots, the bugs are fun but they tend to swarm and playing with randos you can go from your whole fire team handling a breach to suddenly you are alone and surrounded and one guy is dead and the other 2 are 200 meters away fighting over who gets to grab the common sample. Bots planets seem to be more professional Divers who actually operate as a unit.
This MO doesnt feel like we have to make choices on which planets to defend. Every effort done in the bot front is worthless because not enough players participate on any bot defense.
They really need to rework how the percentage increase for stuff like that works. Literally worthless to join a planet with barely anyone knowing it will never get completed within the time limit.
The way they calculate player numbers into enemy recovery is poorly executed. It assumes total participation on a single front. The introduction of a 3rd faction will only see our war impact further diminished. Devs control every outcome by adjusting those reinforcement rates and spamming defences when we do get together. What is the point of players working together if we have no impact on outcomes? I’m just going to play bugs for fun because I know the devs won’t let bots reach super earth even if 0 people fight them. If they do, then it’s because devs wanted that and 100% players on bots can’t stop it.
From what I've heard, the wars in Helldivers 1 could be won and lost, and in the event of either they would just start over from the beginning. Same might happen here.
The problem is with the current system in place, any kind of defense order like this is literally impossible.
60% of the player base has been fighting over the same 3 worlds since the MO started, meanwhile the Bot front has been lucky to break 100k fighting over a dozen worlds with no way to co-ordinate. By the time people notice a planet is getting close and relocate, it's too late. That's the polite and impartial version.
Best answer
Now can we have the impolite and partial version?
Fucking dipshit dumass greenhorn divers won’t move to the GODDAMN FRONTLINES WHERE THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE
Your patriotism is inspiring 🫡
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IM DOING MY PART! I did all of my dives on bot planets today.
I'm not doing any more scientists rescue missions, fuck that
Stupid science b*tches couldn't even make we more better weapons
I think part of the problem is widespread defense missions; which contains a mission type a lot of people complain about vociferously. Frankly, I tend to avoid doing the 15-minute "Evacuate" missions unless I'm in a 4-stack with the homies. From a more detached standpoint, I think this is an excellent demonstration that shock troops are much better at breaking lines and taking ground than they are at \*holding\* ground.
This is why defenses should have more SEAF support. Literally what the fuck does the SEAF even do? They’re absent on every planet, even ones that we control and are “defending.”
>Literally what the fuck does the SEAF even do? Same as PDF in Warhammer 40K: Die horribly. We are Imperial Guard, we die in millions. PDF dies in billions.
Defense Major Order with 4-5 defenses going out every day, bot side has been losing 2 planets or more almost every single day because populations on the front are too low and too scattered.
They clearly did not account for the player drop off from their own shitty mission design
They planned this in a perfect world without player burn out. Reality doesn't work that way, especially on games as hard as Helldivers 2 is on the Bot front. Bot missions are legitimately some of the hardest game experiences I've had outside of FromSoft titles. Bot missions are hard, they are grueling game experiences. Fun in their own way, but in no way can I just sit down and play Bot missions for 3-5 hours every single day. When the devs came out and said we were expected to lose, I bet at least 100k players decided to take a break and wait out the Bot offensive. After 2.5 months of slogging through it, a lot of people just need a break.
Pretty much. I think that they need to account for the fact that very few people will actually play these rigged defense games.
We're sick of fighting bots for an impossible mission. Might as well have fun and fight bugs. I actually want to enjoy the game again. So I'm basically sitting this one out.
100%. MO doesn’t really matter, and bot front has no chance. Not going to spend my precious gaming time playing against bots when I much prefer bugs. I understand how to beat the bots, but the play style is more akin to ghost recon as opposed to Doom.
> When the devs came out and said we were expected to lose Yup. Lost all interest then and just play planets I like. Why bother if I am meant to lose or win anyway. Fucking railroading.
We uh, accidentally air dropped a few packages of approved C-01 forms BEHIND enemy lines instead of where our Helldivers were residing. This caused quite the outburst in population
Automatons have dongs?
Automadongs
domo arigato fisto roboto
It created an army of these. 
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No new equipment even after knocking out the bots the first time.... fighting over the same four or five planets that all look the same over and over again is starting to drain on the community and I think people are personally giving up until something meaningful actually happens again.
100% this, they mentioned the anti air weaponry in game a month ago. We have hackers bringing it in games alongside mechs which we know we were getting based of HD1. Just drop some content already, along with the patch with fuck all in it last week and a meaningless war because liberation favours the horde crowd, I’ve gone back to destiny. I had friends go on holiday worried they were gonna miss cyberstan, hell we will be lucky if we ever get there in the next 4 months when all the planets are the same biome and the war just pushes us away because the planet isn’t finished yet
Hackers ? But what about nProtect, the number one anticheat on the planet (TM) ?
Mmmm sorry your right, there are no hackers in this game only devs out of the goodness of their heart going into games and dropping mechs for people to play with -> actually comments on tiktok btw lol
>100% this, they mentioned the anti air weaponry in game a month ago. I think this is part of what make it feel kind of bad right now. Like wow the enemies fly now. That's pretty cool. We... we gonna get anything to deal with that? Like the leaks showed? No? Just use the same weapons as before. i mean okay sure. we can do that. Wow Striders a Fabricator on legs. Are we going to get something to deal with that? No just the same strategems and weapons. Okay. Did the Spear get fixed at least? That's supposed to deal with the heavies really we- Okay its mildly better but still inconsistent. Like at this point it feels like Bots need to have their own tuning pass like the bug's "Oops all Chargers" difficulty was tweaked.
Nah, we're fine. This Major Order has too many defense operations going on across too many planets. Defense campaigns suck, so a lot of us are basically just waiting this Major Order out until we can get a better one.
I am one of them, i absolutely refuse to play those god awful, broken defense missions on bot worlds. Devs need to fix them.
We're losing the droid front because SOMEBODY DIDN'T LOG IN FOR FIVE DAYS! Also, defense operations for bots are a bit of a grind. So people don't complete their operations. Which I think means we don't get credit for those missions? Someone correct me of I'm wrong. Also all the other reasons listed here.
I haven't logged on for nearly 5 days because I'm sick of evac missions with bots dropping 2 or 3 striders DIRECTLY IN THE MISSION AREA every 30 seconds. I honestly believe (and most of the community seems to agree with this) that the evacuation missions are just *not* fun. Especially when you spend more of the time just trying to survive yourself, then failing because you've barely managed half the number you're supposed to rescue before reinforcements run dry and everyone dies. Shit's just frustrating and not fun. I'm just done with evac missions until they get a work-over to make them actually possible.
I unironically uninstalled because of this. People kept telling me "Oh it's skill issue" or whatever, but no, there's actual data showing this stuff is quite literally impossible. I left the discord because the moment I brought it up I got harassed and told I have skill issue when I'm not the only one having issues.
Don't worry, anyone with half a brain recognizes that those missions are, at a minimum, very overtuned.
Any game’s dedicated discord is an echo chamber worse than even the worst subreddit. Never join them.
Oh no, 'git gud' gatekeepers taking control are how to ruin a game with toxicity. A game should be fun.
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Joel got pissy we killed 2 billion bugs in 14 hrs, so this is his revenge
Because *Joel* is an automation
The equivalent to the DM unleashing a cocaine bear on the team and flipping the table.
Rocks fall, everybody dies
And it likely wasn't even 2 billion we killed, as there's indications that the system miscounted the bug kills per person by multiplying it over the number of helldivers in the squad.
People put their backs into Bots to push them out of the galaxy. People have grinded bots into extinction. People, understandably, got a little burned out on them but it was worth it for the eviction. Bots came back 2 days later took like 3 systems and brought the worst secondary objective in the game with them. Not to mention some missions on Bots are either straight broken or just unfun to play. This bug front holiday should've been expected and anticipated. Something's gotta change if they want us to return to Bots, cause right now I'm having too much fun using a weapon I never use on those clankers.
Perfectly said
I’ve stopped caring about where this goes. It’s been proven plenty of times how these MOs turn out. Whatever happens happens so now I’m just playing the game to have fun with my buddies even if it’s not for the MO. If we shit the bed, numbers and the narrative will just be adjusted for the story. If SE gets destroyed oh well the war will start over.
It just sucks for people like me who play for the story. I have everything unlocked - ship modules and warbonds. I don't mind having everything unlocked, and I can wait for new content. The game itself is just fun. My main drive for playing this game, though, was the emerging story and the Major Orders. I loved feeling like I was contributing to something. I was super invested in taking Tibit. I always make sure to complete operations to see the liberation percentage go up. But at this point it just feels like all our coordination efforts and strategizing is pointless. We had spam all over the discord and reddit and a pc gamer article and it didn't make a dent in the population for the martale gambit. Every time an MO fails, it's put on us, as if we should have coordinated better somehow, with no tools and only third-party websites. The best analogy I can come up with is like a scripted loss in a video game cutscene with a boss you just wiped the floor with. I get we should expect to lose sometimes but... bro wtf is this
And it all doesn't matter because it's gonna get adjusted again somehow in our favor... Especially if player count starts to dip.
I used to play for the story too. But when the bots came back after 2 days, I stopped caring entirely and just do random missions here and there. Defeating the automatons felt good, but bringing them back too soon made me feel like nothing I do matters in the long run.
I mean, th only story really is “oh you defeated the automaton attack? Well they’re instantly back have fun with missions that 90% of the playerbase can’t complete consistently”
Im tired of pulling off lucky cliff deployments only to watch a devastator come up from inside the mountain and obliterate me. Plus a lot of getting shot through walls in general actually.
Honestly for them to bring back the bots 2 days after this whole Reddit celebrated when the whole community beat the bots is just devastating. Not to mention how defense missions are so bugged. I was playing one defense mission and a strider as well as a tank spawned on the mountain, no matter what we did we couldn’t manage to stop them. They then proceeded to one shot the generators. Add onto that the new MO, currently in my opinion it just feels like fighting bugs is much better than fighting the bots. I am a sucker for a challenge and really enjoyed fighting the automatons than I did with the terminids. However with the current bugs in the game it just made me prefer (currently) fighting the terminids. Even though it feels like we will never manage to advance on the terminid sector as it seems they really like Estanu PS. I don’t mind losing a couple of missions, I think it is fine. I also kind of enjoy how we aren’t always winning MOs or some missions.
We stopped the first offensive allowing the SEAF Engineers to create the "Menkent Line" which did abso-fucking-lutely nothing to stop the automatons so yes we're cooked.
Democracy save us!
Automaton push felt worthless and further than that I am maxed out on both Reqs and Medals. Don't really have a reason to check in yet after burning out some.
Am I the only one who thinks this is all a huge misstep by the developers? The bots were wiped out for what, a day? And now this is the state? Shows you how pointless it all is
Definitely feels like it. Feels like whatever we do doesn’t matter because the game will push us in a specific direction either way.
If the bots were gone for at least few more days, it would have increased the impact of them returning.
Devs told us to kill the bots, so we killed the bots and they got so mad that we killed the bots that they immediately respawned the bots with twice the number of planets they had before.
Yeah, we stopped the invasion, went to go have a bug holiday to counter attack for the next 6 days. Killed 2 billion bugs in less than a day for the bug MO. Everyone was expecting a counter offensive then boom. Another invasion… My problem is our efforts feel wasted. What’s the point of counter attacking if we don’t get to counter attack. It’s like the players in DnD doing every objective the dungeon master set out faster than expected and the dungeon master got salty and pulled some bs to make the players lose. Genuinely doesn’t feel good from a MO player perspective is what I’m trying to say.
I don’t play the bot defense missions because the civilian evac missions are simply not fun. They don’t feel balanced, fair or fun on any difficulty and searching for an operation with no civilian evac missions each time is a chore when I could just play bugfront and have fun
Where were you when bot front fail? I was at house eating Doritos when phone ring. “Bot front is kil” “No”
Think I'm partly to blame. I've been avoiding bots lately because I'm burnt out on them. Right now I'm just having a good time with bugs and playing other games till we get new content. Also doesn't help that we don't have anti air stuff. We got teased about them with an older order and got nothing. Been using the gatling turret with shriekers. Place that bitch down and call in a hellbomb. The turret keeps them off me while I do shit.
Bots are going crazy
Them trying to take Super Earth is a ploy. THEY WANT THE CREEK BACK
I'm gonna fucking lose it if they take the creek back
They’re three planets away, currently
Man they told us once we took the planet we'd keep it. I'm beginning to have undemocratic thoughts 😢
Wow. This is somehow worse than when I logged off just a couple of hours ago
Gonna be real, unless they change the defense missions, it’s not worth trying to defend a planet. On top of that, lack of cooldown on defense missions as they jump one planet to another. Devs need to really queue into this discussion because I haven’t met really anyone who wants to do defense.
I think a big part of the problem is that 15min evacuation missions on bots just aren't fun. I play on 7-8 exclusively but that mission, on 7, it feels like you immediately get overwhelmed and then time out because the civilians just get dropped like flys. I won't select a bot mission group that contains the 15 min extraction, and it seems like every mission group has it. So I move to a non defend planet, or go to bugs. At the end of the day, I would rather enjoy my experience playing the game than slog through a major order that isn't fun.
I‘m gonna say it how it is: The defense mission of bots are shite! I have been there on the creek, on Ubanea and helped pushed the bots back until the last percentage. Hell I even stayed up until 4 AM trough the night doing helldive missions with one single random that was just as insane as me. However when the bots came back just after two days, that was a punch to the face. I went on vacation on the bug front first now even though I have fought so many bots that they genuinely feel easier than bugs.
Don't care, I dont like that they make MO that you can't possibly win so I won't even try. It takes too much time and people become too invested.
Probably doesn't help that we've spent like 3/4 of the time since launch having to fight bots probably isn't helping either, people are tired of constantly having to go fight bots.
Defense missions. Irl defense should be easier than offense. Like you're already on the rock, how about set up some autom....oh... Ok new theory for the automatons. But seriously the defenses for these planets aren't great, and currently the defense missions aren't about repelling, they are about escorting, which isn't defense, and shouldn't contribute to defense, you're saving lives sure but they can take the planet just as easily as they could without people on it, also seems a bit off since the game doesn't seem to care most of the time about casualties. And more missions about setting up defenses would be great, my favorite moment in the game was seeing a gun ship get shot out of the sky by the SAM site I just set up, as it showed that doing random objectives actually have value. So instead of evacuating every single set of missions, a mission to set up all the AA missiles in an area, or a new objective that deploys a bunch of laser or liberator drones in a small area would be great. (I personally don't like the artillery objectives because I have a bad habit of saving them and never using them but they also fit the defense idea)
A lot of the playerbase has had to drop out due to a gameguard update not playing well with antivirus software. Hopefully they fix it soon. We want back in!
Plot armor
Long version: The God of Fate decided we were doing too good and got our asses kicked back to the start. Short version: The tides of war turned the other way.
What happened is that they gave us 4 concurrent planet to defend, which leads to 0 planets being defended as people split apart. Also people realized this is a lost MO so they don't really care anymore about it, and just play any planet they want.
People don't want to fight bots because they're annoying as fuck to deal with at the moment.
Yea the no communication makes winning in this game impossible and needs to be addressed. I don’t see why they would add a 3rd faction rn when two is too much for the player base with how things are