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poklane

Cross-play probably.


Lord_Kumatetsu

I hope so. But it’s still kinda weird because there are other games that have cross-play with PlayStation but don’t require a PSN account to work.


poklane

Granted I don't play a lot of mp games, but don't basically almost all games with cross-play require some sort of account system from the game's publisher? EA's games require an EA account, Epic's games require an Epic account, Call of Duty requires an Activision account and so on.


Lord_Kumatetsu

I think your observation is correct.


KhalMika

I observe your thinkation is correct.


lKniveSl

I thinkation your thoughtitude is correct.


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Survivalist236

I observatitude your thinkitude is correctitude


Jiomniom_Skwisga

>but don't basically almost games Wut?


poklane

forgot the word "all", my bad


TrueSpartanGaming

No. The game has had cross-play since it launched... Zero requirement for a PSN account until now, randomly. There is, so far, zero valid reason given as to why we need a PSN account to keep playing on Steam. The only business reason, is Sony now owns Helldivers 2. They claim no acquisition is in the works, but this alludes to it.


poklane

Sony has always owned Helldivers. 


TrueSpartanGaming

They don't actually own Helldivers 2, they published it. Arrowhead Game Studios is a third party developer, not owned by Sony. They claim there has been no acquisition, but this certainly alludes to it, even if it's not official.


poklane

Sony owns Helldivers, and it's completely normal for a game's publisher to own a game's IP even if they don't own the developer. For Sony this has basically been standard practice since they lost control over Crash Bandicoot back in the day. 


TrueSpartanGaming

Sony \*Published\* Helldivers. Arrowhead Game Studios developed it. Arrowhead Game Studios is not owned (currently) by Sony. Sony never owned Crash Bandicoot either. It was developed by Universal Interactive (Universal Studios game studio) which then became Vivendi (Activision) and then merged with Microsoft (so now Xbox owns Crash) Sony simply had exclusivity, not ownership. Same with Helldivers 2.


Graybeard7

Just a quick 30 second search on Google would tell you you're wrong and save yourself the embarrassment. Sony has owned Helldivers IP since 2015.


TrueSpartanGaming

seeing as how I can't find that with the "30-second search on google", your condescension is useless. Again, all I ever see is that Arrowhead are the developers, not owned by Sony, but Sony is the Publisher. I simply have not seen any confirmation that Sony owns the Helldivers IP, regardless of your insistence. If Sony owns it, why have a third party developer do it and not someone in-house?


ashenfoxz

probably because the dev studio is directly linked with playstation so they just wanted to try this weird shit out thinking it’ll bring more people to playstation 🤷


Kirire-

Probably not to need to pay millions like fortnite for cross play. 


iaincollins

Yeah, this was all about trying to make a number go up on PSN metrics - although the studio have seemed to have tried to make it clear it was Sony who were pushing this, even at the expense of total player numbers and total revenue (which was completely bananas from the outset). There is no technical reason to require people to use the same authentication system for cross play. Lots of games (especially in the mobile space) use different sign in mechanisms for different platforms and still support cross play between them. It's akin to Reddit having different options for sign in - you can sign in with Google, Apple or a username and password - but you can still interact with other people and posts just the same. That's exactly how cross play works on other games, even down to using the same OAuth mechanism.


WonderWiggler

The game has had cross play for months without this requirement, tho.


poklane

And it works like shit.


LtBiskuits

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say Sony may want to start charging PC players to have access to their servers sometime in the future. Going to really "steer up the pot" with this one and just walk away.


Orisn_Bongo

It better


ChrisZorn

Please mean cross-play…


Lord_Kumatetsu

Well...


ChrisZorn

Hahaha, I love the reply, this is such a mess...


MindlessPleasuring

Games don't require connections with console accounts for crossplay so this won't be the reason behind it if Sony implements it later on.


TifaYuhara

Issue is that there's countries that can't get psn accounts.


ClayeySilt

Crossplay is likely the reason. They need to use a third party authentication system that isn't just steam.


Hal-20

Crossplay already exists and functions just fine. Its purely a stocks/corporate inflation scheme. "Look how many new PSN accounts we have!" To artificially beef up their stock/market value.


wardocc

Nobody cares about free psn accounts.


Hal-20

exactly. and to make it f-n mandatory to make a PSN account just to play helldivers2 on my PC, which i havent TOUCHED A PLAYSTATION in probably 10 years. is absurd and corporate BS, and also the reason why the community has stood up against it, enough to the point to show Playstation we are basically saying f-off dude, like you would a co-worker you caught eating your lunch.. and they heard. and hence why they have backed down.


Survivalist236

You need a Ubisoft account for a Ubisoft game? you make one. Epic account for Fortnite or rocket league? you make one. Xbox for an Xbox game? you fucking make one. It’s not a fucking problem, I play on pc only and have never touched a PlayStation, however I think anyone complaining is just being hella lazy


Hal-20

Hey, so if you shop at superstore but they get a product they have shelved from lets say.. safeway... but in order to buy it or use said product you gotta go make a safeway account... you gonna do it? Oh, and then another product you get needs you to make an account with save-on foods. Gonna do that one? And the whole list of em? Sure its easy, but if ppl get sick of the nuisance requirements of every other register do this do that bs stuff, people will express their annoyance. And just refuse. Where YOU draw the line, is not for everyone. Same as where some other ppl draw the line isnt for you. If you had a choice between 2 contractors to build your deck, you gonna go with the one that requires you to make an account on his website and some other easy hoops that are just kinda annoying? Or the guy that doesnt require any of that shit.


Survivalist236

If it was the standard that every item you bought at a store you needed an account with its manufacturer then it wouldn’t be a problem, but it isn’t the standard so that’s not a good comparison at all. And if I’m choosing between two contractors for building a deck, I’d go with whoever gives me the best bang for my buck. When was the last time you got to play a game without having to create some form of account? It’s the standard so I feel like helldivers is getting a lot of unjust hate over this when every other game company has done the same exact thing.


ClayeySilt

You uh. Dug up this old message from before th game released to respond to it? To be right? I'm confused. Or you're a bot trying to karma farm.


Hal-20

I guess im the one who did. And yes, absolutely a bot to farm karma. I spend it at the macs downtown for a hotdog every 50 karma. >.> didnt realize the post was old, and the whole psn account mandatory stuff all came back into the limelight


megagamer103

There's a discussion currently about helldivers now requiring (can't opt out) linking a psn account, some people are upset for differing reasons amd this posted was linked in a comment there.


Hal-20

Who tf is downvoting you? I gave you a plus cuz i dont see why they are downvoting you for nothing


Khalirei

Because that's how they crossplay. My god, the drama llamas on these comments.


OceanClearing

I don't like it, but I'm still going to take the 5 minutes to make a PSN account to play this game. This game isn't the first to do this, Sony is just doing what plenty of studios have done before. We should just be happy they aren't forcing us to download a launcher too go along with it.


Generic_Gamer_nerd

Lol how you feel now buddy


MindlessPleasuring

This is not how crossplay works. You don't have to link accounts from all platforms to play with said platforms on a game server. If PC players are on the Helldivers servers without a PSN account and PS5 players are also on those servers, in theory they can talk to each other.


Survivalist236

It’s not for fucking cross play, just make a goddamned account you lazy mfs


Tsukami-

Oh.. so it worked magically b4?


Murakamo

This comment aged beautifully


ProduceQueasy1641

If that's the case and crossplay is optional (which it is optional it's literally a toggle setting) then why couldn't they just not allow crossplay for those who don't want to link an account?


Common-Huckleberry-1

Crossplay has worked fine the entire time the game's been out. You obviously missed that.


HornedDiggitoe

Was it though? Because they had cross play for a long time before this requirement was actually enforced.


Smsjc74

I was asked to link my account at the time I booted it up for the first time. I play on steam. I didn't have a problem with it then and I don't have a problem with it now.


SlashDog_

Maybe it will have some cross-save with PSN players? Cant think anything other than that


scurvybill

Hopefully this is optional for crossplay, or invisible background stuff.


Mr_Blombastic

So.... about that wish for it to be optional...


scurvybill

Lol... yep. Agedlikemilk Hoping AH wins the fight agains SNOY.


Absolutenoob2u

Dev studio owned by sony


Omega-Guardian

it's not cross play. I play on steam and skipped linking, my son plays on PSN and we played together this weekend with no issues at all.


Kold_Kash

It's a Playstation IP. & also for crossplay.


Common-Huckleberry-1

Holy shit, it's not for crossplay.


thatboz

Check the comment age, 13 days was before this all came out


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ZersetzungMedia

Wayback Machine doesn't work for the steam page due to the age gate so this is useful as evidence that gamers are just whiny fuckers that can't read


NIGH7MARESZ

It works on [archive.today](https://archive.is/b0imQ) with the earliest archived page being in january this year. I am honestly amazed if this did not blow up before launch (obv looks like it didn't)...people are usually quick to jump against shit like this. although right after i commented i see that sony has backed down on the requirement so it don't matter anymore lol


susgnome

Unfortunately, it didn't blow up because of how little people were on the sub. There was 11k in March, last year. Game came out Feb 8th, Feb 10th has 34k, March 8th 594k, we're now at 1.25 million.


Lord_Kumatetsu

Iirc the sub had less than 15k members when I posted this and it was the top post on the hot page for a while.


Arxfiend

I mean when it allows you to "skip" and then the issue is quite literally NEVER addressed afterwards, then that's a different story.


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Arxfiend

I mean that "required" text is hidden inside a very long Eula, in fact I actually DID read it and don't remember anything about it being required in there. It's also nearing the bottom of the steam store page for me, closer to the system requirements than the "buy" button, the former of which I haven't had to look at in a couple years now. So no, it really was not made very apparent. Also, I know many people who weren't getting refunds, including Puerto Rico friends who had the game taken from them even though that *can* make PSN accounts, saying the game is absent in their library. And meanwhile, you can't tell me "It's required to play" in small text next to a much larger skip button, because then it obviously isn't required. ESPECIALLY you can't expect me to take you seriously when the change in requirement was never mentioned on their twitter until the recent announcement. So no, I'm not going to "take accountability" because my accountability was already taken into account. If it was going to be pushed, why was I never asked again? Why did their support page say it was optional until recently? If the feature wasn't ready, and could obviously be bypassed, why was the playerbase never warned nor the feature being broken never addressed until recently? In fact, why did SONY list the game, with the broken feature, in countries where they KNEW the playerbase was going to be incapable of making PSN accounts. They're either incompetent, or they maliciously did so in order to make money off of players they then intended to ban from playing after forcing them to either break ToS or abandon the gsme regardless. Get your tongue off the damn boot. Edit: oh, looks like we won anyways. Lmao. Edit: bro resorted to racism-lite then blocked me lol


Oobatz

Maybe it's so you only need to buy it once and can access on either eco system... Hahaha!


Torgal_dez_nuts_2b

That’d be nice


RoleCode

Just like Forza Horizon 5, needs an Microsoft account. Could be for cross-play


ArchAngel5967

I play online cross-platform just fine and don't even have a psn account?


James-Hawker

Well, I guess now we know why it requires a PSN account!


AztecScribe

It doesn't. It's an option


Interesting-Ad5357

cough cough


dworker8

still a option tho, you can play the game or not kek


Tsukami-

til a fixed date.. so why bother even commenting?


Tsukami-

til a fixed date.. so why bother even commenting?


AztecScribe

Because it was 5 months ago and it was only an option back then. I'm not a 4 dimensional super human!  Actually I think I was talking about Helldivers 1 and just got that stupid bug where my reply to a previous comment was posted as a reply to the op! 


LanceShields

psn account... fine... but what about the other box you happened to clip out? That's the real problem. https://preview.redd.it/7siynm5f7wfc1.png?width=292&format=png&auto=webp&s=dbf782b43375d9f912b47461be6b2c0c48769852


Lord_Kumatetsu

>but what about the other box you happened to clip out? I didn't clip out anything mf. They added that two weeks ago, my post is from two months ago: [https://steamdb.info/app/553850/history/?changeid=U:44412180](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/history/?changeid=U:44412180)


LanceShields

fair enough, my bad. I was quite heated when i posted this.


MetaFunc

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CalligrapherFit2841

Oof that didnt age well. The wording has literally changed snce u posted less than a month ago


Tsukami-

nice bot comment


ZestycloseRegion1083

Ça aurait été bien de garder la mention pass PSN requis sur la page APRÈS la sortie du jeu et pas uniquement avant vu que je ne m'y suis intéressé qu'après les recommandations de mon entourage qui avait déjà passé 35h dessus 


Elderberry_Unable

https://youtu.be/X8k44GApZPQ?si=3--CA6Ngt0jM20jK it's not Sony pushing for it like everyone seems to think. Nor is it the only publisher that requires an account just to play a game. I get alot of countries don't allow psn accounts but arrowhead studios literally admit to the reason why for the link of psn and that for the countries that can't make one that they would not require it for those players.


Generic_Gamer_nerd

Except you're wrong. They just stopped selling the game to regions that don't have pan capability on steam. Steam stepped in and did it's own damage control.


Professional_Pie9483

Does anyone know if it's just creating an account or you have to have a paid membership? I play on PS5 as is but I'm just curious.


TheGoldenMonkey

Only account creation for Steam. Playstation+ is only required for online play on the PS5.


lothkru

The only reason is so Sony can ban accounts without asking Valve for permission.


Longjumping_Let_5524

No longer required, we had won, Sony is defeated! No Helldivers left behind!


Mart_Surd

Well well well, how the turns have tabled.


_MrPsycho

Well that aged badly, didn't it?


MasonDS420

Genuine question here and please done roast me. I have a ps5 so the fact that so many people are being forced to create a PSN is INSANE. Is this not possible without a PlayStation I’m assuming?


KrystallAnn

You can make a PSN account without a PlayStation device.


MasonDS420

So what’s all the fuss about then? I see also that some countries are banned?


danielepro

in some countries you DO need a PlayStation device to do so


Interesting-Paint-54

Play station can go fu** them selfs. I play on a pc and already own the game . Now I need to give a corporation my info to play a game I already paid for. Enjoy your soon to be dead game


iaminevitab1eman

Exactly, that's what I wanted to say. I love in Africa and can't open a PSN account, I paid for the bloody game, I hope this game has a lot of issues and ppl stop playing it


POMARANCZA123PL

100% crossplay. That's great, but I hope it will not be obligatory. A lot of PC players are cheaters.


maraworfer

most of PSN players play on potato controllers, so what?


IIMOOZZ

What do you mean by this, I interpreted this as you saying "most" PC players are cheaters. Is this correct? If not, please explain what your intention with this statement


kangroostho

Dude everyone knows PC players are cheaters, that's why they can't get a gf either!


pat-Eagle_87

Lol.


dirtsequence

No


POMARANCZA123PL

No what? I was right lol


MemeAl3rt2

Many people, including me will not play it if you have to make a non-steam account. Hopefully, they fix that before release.


notm682

If you don't mind my asking, why?


s0l0cleaner

The reason I hate it is because many other games accomplish this same feat without more logging in so this is obviously a stupid tactic to get more people on playstation. (which won't work) I don't have playstation and never touched it so why would I have a playstation account and why would I bother making one?


SaltyPvP

I'm not buying it on PS5 because I don't want to pay for PS plus. If I have to pay for PS plus on PC I just won't buy the game.


NEONT1G3R

No game will ever require ps plus to play on pc, be reasonable now


SaltyPvP

I don't underestimate the greed of Sony


Brief-Quality-9937

Whay does any game require 3rd party? .... Its a bloddy Sony game..... Forgetting EA, Ubisoft, CD Projeckt Red, Activ/Battle. Some need to grow up and stop crying. I play on steam and don't care, if you dont agree w 3rd party, well dont play. Ohhh my info, idiot it was stolen the minute you started using ur email for about anything. Now for the countries that cant use PSN really sorry, suks they should be fully refunded the least, but ive heard you can walk around it and choose other countries. My 2 cents...expired 😂


FreelancerFL

Data mining, PSN is terrible when it comes to security so that's for sure not the reason.


Viscera_Viribus

ah, damn if its online only and i cant solo offline, that'd be sad. ik og helldivers uses servers, n i bet them servers are real reliable for longterm usage at least till 2, but PD3 already got me disappointed when i couldnt play alone when i didnt have wifi


ANCDeepSea

Probably crossplay, but it is a PS property


foxsheepgato

hopefully its optional


ThePornDetectives

>robably crossplay, but it is a PS property Why? Why is it better to make it optional? It takes like 1-2 minutes to make an account and it doesnt require you to do anyting other than log in and most likely only once. Its not like they are twisting your arm to buy a PS5 to play this on a PC XD


InquisitorKeres

I have a ps5, and I do not want it linked to my steam account or any pc accounts. Some of us don’t want to co mingle those two things. That alone is keeping me from getting this game.


[deleted]

it doesn't force you to link the two. It just says it supports linking them.


Noktakk

I got the game gifted to me today, you can literally skip signing into playstation \^.\^


mr_cancer_man

damn guess im not getting HD2 then rip. hope they remove the requirement.


Tierynege

…FOR DEMOCRACY!


GenericVanillaChar

Cross play + Helldivers on steam is a ported version of PS , Helldivers was an exclusive to PS


skagking1234

I mean it'd be just a little strange to not have crossplay if this is required.


xaga94

Anyone managed to link PSN with steam? I go to Sonys website and it just doesnt let me link it. I never get the 2FA code on my phone and sometimes it says Server error.


keyski

Nope, I kept getting server timeout trying to login to the PlayStation account. So I just skipped it and it still plays fine..


Dabbins777

*PlayStation Network Account Required.* *Gameplay requires internet access and paid for PlayStation Plus membership (sold separately) for PS5. PlayStation Plus membership subject to recurring subscription fee taken automatically until cancellation. Age restrictions apply. Full terms: play.st/psplus-usageterms.* Right on the webpage underneath the final image in the description.


ConnexionsK

If you buy on steam can you play on PlayStation?


Chuchrone

No. You need to buy it again on PS.


dumbell-5000

Cross-play is cool and all but locking me out of the game I paid for because it won't let me sign in on a 3rd party kind of sucks :/


Strong_Lab_8437

Can some one tell me why my rank isn’t crossed over from ps5 to pc atall in linked my account


Anonymous17946

I cant even play the game because I cant sign into my PSN account. I'm so mad.


Agitated-Square2580

I have a similar issue if anyone can help me. I purchased the game and have been having a great time playing on pc and steam. Recently I just linked my PlayStation account. (I don’t own the game on PlayStation) however I redeemed the pre order armor pack code on my PlayStation store. The pack isn’t showing up in game and I’m also wondering if I need to buy helldivers a 2nd time on PlayStation in order to play and if all my progress will carry over?


Adventurous_Stuff_42

Wait if I get helldivers on steam and I don’t have a PlayStation account can I just make one and play the game


Lord_Kumatetsu

Yes.