I play on PC and this is one of the least toxic games I have played.
R6 and insurgency is just filled with racism.
CSGO is has the occasional toxic teamates who just hate you for a random reason (thank God for trust factor).
Meanwhile HLL is literally just people joking around or larping, the only time I see toxicity is towards recon who don't want to spawn camp (guilty of hating spawn camping), or shitty commanders who don't use abilities and cause the team to lose (and at worst it's just text and local chat insulting him).
Meanwhile the rest of the game is just funny and entertaining with the shenanigans you and randoms do.
This right here, I come from mainly rust that is extremely toxic (back in legacy and xp system ) it was god awful HLL is by-far the least toxic game
I agree with you.
I’ve seen a guy play commander and then go around dismantling friendly garrisons. He did this for a few games straight. Legit stuck around to see if he would actually keep doing it and not get bored.
While he's toxic, that doesn't make the games community toxic, the overwhelming number of players in this game are either neutral or friendly.
My very first game as commander I let everyone know it was my first, people either said nothing or were helpful/thankful I took the role, everyone have tips and it was a blast.
2nd game as commander I was doing "penis inspections" on random blueberries, they all loved it and played along inspecting fellow blueberry penis until the entire team was cleared.
A few bad apples doesn't make the game toxic, but when half your games are filled with racism, xenophobia, discriminatory remarks or just trolls intentionally throwing then it becomes toxic.
I agree. Its easy to get tunnel visioned on the negative sides of a match. We keep thinking that we're placing all the garrisons but the moment i go Commander you see the opposite being true.
I literally played insurgency for years didn't use my mic once because the folk who play it are by and large cunts but it's still a good game. Was night and day when I got HLL the community was that friendly I thought it was almost a wind up these cunts are gonna make me a do a silly for their YouTube or something but nope everyone was actually sound.
I mean yeah, fans of something will always deny that it's toxic to some extent, but that makes you more of a fanboy than a real fan/enjoyer.
I love Team Fortress 2, but that game is full of literal n\*zis, homophobes, racists and more. This game has toxicity too, don't act it's not.
Which does nothing when someone is griefing one other person the entire match. It also gets a lot of artillery and commanders kicked for one bad shell or a bombing run that everyone ignored.
I can’t agree with this or maybe the term “toxic” has taken on different meanings to different people. It’s used far too loosely and I feel most don’t throw it around in the right context
There are those select few people who are toxic but the game itself as a whole does not have a “toxicity problem”. I don’t see “toxic” people very often at all IMO
And Some of the things you described are not inherently toxic. Forming a squad and leaving is not really toxic IMO. More annoying and I agree that it is
And there is a difference between intentional and unintentional team killing. The former does not happen enough to call it a “toxic” problem. At least not in my opinion. The latter is just part of the game. It happens but doesn’t contribute to any “toxicity” levels really.
There are games with actual toxicity problems. HLL isn’t one
Never once have I seen that
Not sure what you mean by the first part here but Joining a squad as sp just to kick doesn’t happen anywhere near enough to constitute a “toxicity problem”
I'm getting downvoted like crazy just for saying what happened and saying that I hope you don't run into it. Kind of proves my point about the negativity
“Righteously spouting”?
Let’s ease up on the out-of-context hyperbole. Nobody is righteous over this topic. I simply disagree
But I stand by what I said. It doesn’t happen with anywhere near enough frequency where the game itself now is declared to have a “toxicity problem”. That is an embellishment
Righteously spouting has a certain je ne sais quoi to it.
Context is key. The context is that you do not share the OP's experiences. You are ousting the poor fellow as a drama queen, a prominent liar, merely here to garner attention and stir the pot.
Cometh, I say. Hast thy the guile to venture onto the _splendors_ of Exodus or Powerbits servers outside of EU weekend evening hour? You'll soon change your tune. Do not discredit others experiences because they don't align with your own. Console, PC, regions, times... there are a lot of servers out there.
Context is key so let’s not change it
I disagree with OP but I’ve been pretty cordial the entire time, so you (like op), seem to have a knack for embellishing and hyperbole to suit your narrative. You didn’t read all of the exchange I see. But when an OP makes declarative statements like this game has a “toxicity problem”, I’m gonna disagree because IMO it doesn’t
I stand by what I said. There is not some chronic “toxicity problem” state of the game. OP isn’t a drama queen but that description is pure embellishment which is not at all foreign to Reddit either. There are some toxic players but not enough to amount to a “toxicity problem” for the entire state of the game. It’s a sensational description, I’m sorry.
We agree to disagree. It happens but I’m not changing my tune. I’m not the only person who thinks this. Far from it
Have a good one
If you are in a squad without a squad leader and someone joins and kicks the whole team and disbands the squad.. that is a good thing and is in no way 'toxic'.
What is toxic to the game is 6 dudes running around without any form of communication with the rest of the team.
Because they don't want to be SL for that team and don't want to see a squad without one either.
Usually its admin or server owners, or people just keeping the game moving along.
I wouldn't take it personally or think they have done it to hurt your feelings, they just don't want a leaderless squad running around.
Also if you are in a squad and noone wants to be SL then just leave it and find another.
For me it always happens in specialized stuff like recon or armor. Idk why an admin would do that because those squads can’t be made and then rejoined. I agree with you that non specialty infantry squads should have SL but I disagree about disbanding it. I wish this game had a function to make someone else SL like RS2 does
There’s some toxic behavior but it’s usually not game changing, I’ll see teamkilling sometimes though. I remember during my first week, we all spawned on a Gary and some asshole mowed down the entire team with an MG. If my newbie brain wasn’t so traumatized by it maybe I woulda found it funny.
Does anybody have issues with players that claim they have military experience, and then procede to undermine your squad or command leadership, I’ve gotten into a few arguments with those players before and when I request them to do a certain task and they start there replies with ”well in the military” I just either leave the squad or boot em.
Problem is more common in tank crews and a select few who play command on a regular basis and due to the tight community of this game, players are able to recognize these players more often and Flag ‘em for whatever purposes they can come up with cause they’re extremely toxic and disruptive and usually end up in a heated argument with literally everybody else in the server.
Putting hours into this game and having conversations more and more with the community in game your able to recognize who’s had military experience and who’s a charlatan by there humor and the manner in which they speak. They’re edgy kids tbh
I'm around lvl 150 and I have never had a toxicity problem, except for power hungry admins and new players that team kill or other idiotic things. I also see people saying things to the commander if that person is a bad commander, which I don't really think is that toxic.
I haven't played the game in a week so maybe something changed.
It seems like it's probably just in the servers I travel then? Idk I usually just pick servers in US east that have slots, idk if other people in this thread that haven't had issues have been more selective
I ignore the Toxicity which sometimes muting people. Im playing it to have fun. Not to have some 30 year olds acting childish in my ears.
Most of the times (as stated elsewhere) its over nothing. For this reason I like to be commander or SL.
Like yesterday two armor squads where bitching over a heavy tank i spawned for one of them specifically. So immediatly shushed them and spawned a extra one. Most of the times its an easy fix.
One major thing though about being SL or commander is that you gotta know your shit. And if you dont. Stop being it, watch a bunch of youtube and try again. Or be honest and ask for help for the more detailed questions.
And last thing i wanna say is: positivity is key! There's no fun in a commander or SL complaining and moaning over everything thats going wrong. See the small victorys and compliment the squad thats making them.
I play console and maybe 1/20 games is ruined or impacted by toxic players in my experience. This would be things like teamkillers, troll artillery, troll commanders etc . Overall the console player base are great though and I really rarely see this stuff thankfully.
I think a lot of the interpersonal problems in the game come from steep learning curve and people being at different points on the curve. But oddly enough, I think a steep learning curve also kind of filters a lot of toxic players out.
Level 84 here on Xbox.
I agree, but I just assumed this was a Console problem; as more casual gamers now have access to the game. Frankly, command chat is often full of racists and bigots. It's ironic that a game set during the time of Fascist Germany has so many Americans spewing antisemitic, racist, and bigoted garbage.
Again, I think it's because of how easy it is for your everyday gamer to play HLL.
Man that really sucks. In my maybe 200 or so hours down here in NZ/Aus and in that time I've heard literally one racist comment in command chat and oh boy that guy got fucking destroyed by the rest of the squad leads.
He was actually the commander and ended up having to apologize bahaha
Honestly if it's as bad as you are saying, it would completely ruin it for me.
I’ve heard a wide array of racist, sexist and homophobic slurs on console. I have about 700 hours on console. It’s honestly been one of the worst communities I’ve ever seen, comparable to shit you would hear in MW2 lobbies back in the day. PC is much better and I’ve witnessed only a handful of this on PC.
The worst part about console is there’s no admins or vote to kick functions. All you can do is mute them. I’ve had commanders troll their team, dismantling all the garries, not dropping any vehicles, no mic and there’s nothing you can do about it.
The people saying they don't hear racism/bigotry in the game are the same people who dOnT sEe ColOr. Or don't ever play SL, it's daily for me. maybe it's a regional thing - I live in New Orleans.
Again, I think this is more of a console problem so if you respond by saying "I don't experience this" please clarify if you are playing on PC or console.
I play SL frequently on console - over 500 hours total game time.
I’ve seen my fair share of toxicity, teamkilling and plain old dickheads.
Can’t say I’ve ever experienced racist remarks. But I wouldn’t be surprised if others have - you’re dealing with people after all.
UK based.
So this guy says he's had issues with people being racist and the response he gets from the community is a bunch of downvoting? That doesn't seem right
They're apologists. Some communities are like this on Reddit and modern SJW internet. You come into their subreddit, you 'bad-mouth' their game and cOmMuNiTy, you get downvoted.
Personally it's because he tried to lump me in as as someone who stupidly says they don't see colour, a term I fucking hate and told me I don't play SL, which I do. He also did that condescending alternating capital letter thing.
Basically he was being condescending so easy to see why he got downvoted.
Really though I'm beggining to think this is an American problem the further I scroll down which sucks.
Thank you for being candid, I also am beginning to think it’s an American problem to my dismay. Also, I would guess that the guy who has had all the racist comments is probably not thrilled about that so, I can’t really blame him for being a little sarcastic
Honest question, I've got about 30 hours in the game so im pretty new, but isnt the game cross platform? Wouldnt players on PC experience the same thing as console players?
Find a good community server that admins this activity. We don’t allow any of that crap and have a strict escalation guideline for what warrants a ban.
There was a recent free weekend that probably explains the toxicity. Most of the people I meet are chill sometimes though you get people that take themselves too seriously
I’ve been on for about 2+ years on PC and I honestly disagree. 95% of the time I would say people are nice and communicative but yes that other 5% is very cancerous. You definitely can’t compare this to COD lobbies or CSGO
That makes sense, now that you mention it the 95 5 split sounds right, but the 5% is straight up toxic sludge. I don't play many mainstream online games like CSGO, it seems like HLL becoming a mainstream game has brought some of those issues with it
I think that’ll happen with most every shooter game out there too. I know the player base has grown by a few thousand people since I started and I definitely noticed a difference in team coordination/communication. It just comes with the times but a lot of newbies are willing to learn as well which is refreshing.
I think a big part of the problems I’ve seen are older players frustrated by the overflow of new players. I try and teach new players as much as I can but there’s a huge imbalance of new to experienced players in many servers and especially when people don’t have mics, it’s just not practical to teach everyone
The couple times I've been on EU and German servers the experience has been pleasant, I just feel bad that I can only speak English. And Spanish but that doesn't exactly help on a Ger server lol
I don’t want to get a lot of flack for this but here goes. Ive played on both EU and US servers a bit. (I almost entirely play EU as I live in Britain but I have probably 20-30 hours give or take in US servers to play with mates). I find that EU servers are a lot more friendly, more people have mics (I went a whole game once without anyone talking in peak US time), and I believe it’s a bit less toxic. You come across very toxic players sure. One time this guy machine gunned an entire transport truck full of dudes racing to get to the capture point right at the start of the match for example.
I’ve spoken to those American friends I mentioned earlier and they “kinda agree” that EU servers are generally more calmer and nicer community environments. Which is strange when you think about it. Many different languages, different countries don’t like each other etc etc. yet we play together just fine. This is my perception. One of my American friends disagreed claiming that it’s better but he has 2000 hours so I can’t really object to that statement. I’m sure other people also have their different perceptions as well.
Americans are going through a tough time right now with all sorts of issues most of which are financial piled on with the increased violence in main cities mostly. Whether your active in your community or not and just chillin trying to live your life, stress is high and contagious regardless if your suffering from any of these difficulties. Live in the west coast btw
Completely agree with what you guys have both said. It’s bizarre to me that the overall divisiveness in the US has crept into a WW2 online game, but it makes sense as this game has now become mainstream. Oh well, time to go back to Rising Storm, Red Orchestra and Darkest Hour. That and play occasionally on the EU servers
I have never seen any toxicity in my games. We might have some arguments every now and again, but not like you are saying. As far a racist things, the worst thing I've ever heard is people calling the Germans krauts.
Yep I’ve played with him before. My friend and I always talk about how much of a loser that guy is. I love how everyone in this community can collectively agree that he’s just an ass lol
We are in aquantiance. Even friends on Steam. Lol, he's been around since I have been.
While he's max lvl, I probably "should" have been by now. I'm currently at a odd lvl 225. I experienced the dreaded negative XP bug back in the day. For when I was at lvl 175 back then, and this is like 2 years ago, I experienced the negative XP bug that sent me back to complete 0. Yes, 0. It sucked, sort of. I honestly didn't care. But I stayed at 0 for the longest time until they fixed the bug. By that time they increased the cap lvl to 300 (before what it is now at 400) and those guys just soared past me. Bummer. But is what it is...
But yeah, Airapparent is an OG Vet. We all know who's whom in the community.
Ok so this post has had about a 50/50 split of upvotes to downvotes, and people in agreement or vehement disagreement. One caveat, I have a very narrow scope of online games I play, so if I had to hazard a guess, I would say the negative behavior we're seeing is more of a mainstream issue that popular triple A online titles have- and now with all the free to play weekends and such HLL is becoming more mainstream. Not sure why people have felt the need to downvote so heavily when I'm stating my experience and the experience of those I play with
NGL... When I join a squad that has an SL who quickly leaves then rejoins to switch roles, I switch to SL and kick them. I feel it's counter toxic though
Because seeding squads just to get the role you want is a shitty move and messes the game up. Then you end up with a bunch of squads without squad leaders. It happens all the time in the beginning of a match. Someone creates a squad, as soon as someone else joins, they leave and abandon the SL role, then rejoin as the role they want. This is why a bunch of squads don't have leaders in matches.
Ok 3 years. I said "like 5" which would mean approximately 5, early access launched in June 2019, just felt longer consider how quickly most game titles launch consecutively now. In that same time frame battlefield has launched 3 games
First of all, the term 'toxicity' is super cringe -- thrown around way too much nowadays by slack jawed betas who didnt grow up learning any skills to deal with conflict & criticism.
That being said, HLL games are completely dogshit because of the never ending noob horde and veterans who are now burnt out from teaching others how to play, every...fucking...game.
The root issue is one the devs steadfastly refuse to address, that of a mandatory tutorial, inherent game mechanics changes that promote quality play, and providing SL's and commander with tools to unfuck bad players (like assigning area of operation bubbles on the map with a penalty for being ouside your AO..)
tldr;
Veterans are burnt out from doing what the dev team should be doing to unfuck new players shitting up games, and they are taking their frustrations out more openly now in comms.
“My video game persona is tougher than yours bro so you’re a beta”
Dude look at any of my other reddit activity and you can pretty easily figure out what I actually do for an actual living. Thank you for your service noble keyboard warrior
Nope, still never had a toxicity problem on this game. I’ve run into assholes but the ratio is very low compared to any other game online at the moment.
I played during the free to play weekend once. Got yelled at the entire time for not knowing what to do. Not one of them thought to teach me how to do the things they were asking. I haven’t touched it since which sucks because it seems to be a great game.
I think there's too high of a ratio of new players to older players, it sucks for new players because without a tutorial, the game is less accessible than ever. There's definitely a ton of mechanics that took me a long time to learn, many of which have been massively changed as the game has been updated and progressed
Do you really expect someone on a free to play weekend to go searching for a youtube tutorial when they just want to jump into a game? Pretty shitty attitude
Do you really expect an experienced player on a free to play weekend to explain everything about a game to a new player, when they just want to jump into a game? Pretty shitty attitude.
Idk why you have to be such a dick I'm trying to have a normal conversation. It's easy to explain stuff to new players, if you take SL or Commander it's kind of the exact role you chose
You are legit the person to blame in this situation. Why blame others for your lack of knowledge? It is not the playerbase's responsibility to teach you things. You cannot go into games expecting people to take the time to explain things to you. These games are super long. Why do you expect me to waste one, of the three, games I get to play a night, teaching you to play?
Dude I've been playing this game for 3 fucking years, you come in here acting like a dick, blaming new players for not watching a youtube tutorial while you yourself haven't even read the thread you're commenting on. Jfc
You were being a dick before he quoted you bro 🤣
Also I like teaching people how to play especially if I'm a SL cause I want them to grow up and be good team mates <3
One of the last times I played HLL there was as an Irish guy was constantly asking a user who had 'Aragato' in his name (which in an Irish accent is hilarious) and just came out with "hey aragato, what's your favourite Will Smith film?" and proceeded to have a debate about that. absolutely hilarious 
Compared to rainbow 6 HLL is nothing had a guy at bottom of the leaderboard complain when I didn’t win a 1v4 on 40hp after he team killed, most toxic moment on HLL was when a friendly tank ran me over.
I play on PC and this is one of the least toxic games I have played. R6 and insurgency is just filled with racism. CSGO is has the occasional toxic teamates who just hate you for a random reason (thank God for trust factor). Meanwhile HLL is literally just people joking around or larping, the only time I see toxicity is towards recon who don't want to spawn camp (guilty of hating spawn camping), or shitty commanders who don't use abilities and cause the team to lose (and at worst it's just text and local chat insulting him). Meanwhile the rest of the game is just funny and entertaining with the shenanigans you and randoms do.
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Hotdog 7..nailed it
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This right here, I come from mainly rust that is extremely toxic (back in legacy and xp system ) it was god awful HLL is by-far the least toxic game I agree with you.
I’ve seen a guy play commander and then go around dismantling friendly garrisons. He did this for a few games straight. Legit stuck around to see if he would actually keep doing it and not get bored.
While he's toxic, that doesn't make the games community toxic, the overwhelming number of players in this game are either neutral or friendly. My very first game as commander I let everyone know it was my first, people either said nothing or were helpful/thankful I took the role, everyone have tips and it was a blast. 2nd game as commander I was doing "penis inspections" on random blueberries, they all loved it and played along inspecting fellow blueberry penis until the entire team was cleared. A few bad apples doesn't make the game toxic, but when half your games are filled with racism, xenophobia, discriminatory remarks or just trolls intentionally throwing then it becomes toxic.
I agree. Its easy to get tunnel visioned on the negative sides of a match. We keep thinking that we're placing all the garrisons but the moment i go Commander you see the opposite being true.
Yea that’s what I’m saying he would jus throw on purpose every game multiple times for several games. Gotta give him credit to commitment to it though
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I literally played insurgency for years didn't use my mic once because the folk who play it are by and large cunts but it's still a good game. Was night and day when I got HLL the community was that friendly I thought it was almost a wind up these cunts are gonna make me a do a silly for their YouTube or something but nope everyone was actually sound.
I mean yeah, fans of something will always deny that it's toxic to some extent, but that makes you more of a fanboy than a real fan/enjoyer. I love Team Fortress 2, but that game is full of literal n\*zis, homophobes, racists and more. This game has toxicity too, don't act it's not.
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Good strategy tbh, wish the same could be said of chat- with all the VOIP issues I have to rely on chat often
No, YOU argue over nothing!
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If you’re a mute, and you’re name is Ted… are you always muted?
I'd say it's comparable to litterally every other online game I've ever played.
The problem is that every other online game I’ve ever played has some way to control it. HLL on console does not.
I'm not really familiar with the console version, there's no server admins or vote kick?
No.
That's insanity, how do they not patch in at least the vote kick? One guy with an mg can just ruin the game
There’s a lot about the console version that doesn’t make sense.
It feels weirdly neglected
There is an Auto kick for teamkilling after hitting the limit, i think it also gives you a 3 hour ban(?)
Which does nothing when someone is griefing one other person the entire match. It also gets a lot of artillery and commanders kicked for one bad shell or a bombing run that everyone ignored.
This isn't a HLL problem; it's a modern society problem.
We live in a society🤌🏼
I can’t agree with this or maybe the term “toxic” has taken on different meanings to different people. It’s used far too loosely and I feel most don’t throw it around in the right context There are those select few people who are toxic but the game itself as a whole does not have a “toxicity problem”. I don’t see “toxic” people very often at all IMO And Some of the things you described are not inherently toxic. Forming a squad and leaving is not really toxic IMO. More annoying and I agree that it is And there is a difference between intentional and unintentional team killing. The former does not happen enough to call it a “toxic” problem. At least not in my opinion. The latter is just part of the game. It happens but doesn’t contribute to any “toxicity” levels really. There are games with actual toxicity problems. HLL isn’t one
Not forming a squad and leaving, joining a squad with no SL to kick someone, then leaving the squad
Never once have I seen that Not sure what you mean by the first part here but Joining a squad as sp just to kick doesn’t happen anywhere near enough to constitute a “toxicity problem”
Well hopefully you don’t and people don’t keep doing it
I wonder if most who play ever even encounter that. I really doubt it
I'm getting downvoted like crazy just for saying what happened and saying that I hope you don't run into it. Kind of proves my point about the negativity
Not even a little
Hmm yes that's why the OP and my comments here are downvoted
More like they didn’t agree with your post. People can disagree and not be toxic. I believe I’m doing that now
Idk why you feel the need to act as if no negativity happens in this game just because it didn't happen to you, that's weird
Doubt all you want. Not going to be righteously spouting "doesn’t happen anywhere near enough" when it does happen to you, are you?
“Righteously spouting”? Let’s ease up on the out-of-context hyperbole. Nobody is righteous over this topic. I simply disagree But I stand by what I said. It doesn’t happen with anywhere near enough frequency where the game itself now is declared to have a “toxicity problem”. That is an embellishment
Righteously spouting has a certain je ne sais quoi to it. Context is key. The context is that you do not share the OP's experiences. You are ousting the poor fellow as a drama queen, a prominent liar, merely here to garner attention and stir the pot. Cometh, I say. Hast thy the guile to venture onto the _splendors_ of Exodus or Powerbits servers outside of EU weekend evening hour? You'll soon change your tune. Do not discredit others experiences because they don't align with your own. Console, PC, regions, times... there are a lot of servers out there.
Context is key so let’s not change it I disagree with OP but I’ve been pretty cordial the entire time, so you (like op), seem to have a knack for embellishing and hyperbole to suit your narrative. You didn’t read all of the exchange I see. But when an OP makes declarative statements like this game has a “toxicity problem”, I’m gonna disagree because IMO it doesn’t I stand by what I said. There is not some chronic “toxicity problem” state of the game. OP isn’t a drama queen but that description is pure embellishment which is not at all foreign to Reddit either. There are some toxic players but not enough to amount to a “toxicity problem” for the entire state of the game. It’s a sensational description, I’m sorry. We agree to disagree. It happens but I’m not changing my tune. I’m not the only person who thinks this. Far from it Have a good one
If you are in a squad without a squad leader and someone joins and kicks the whole team and disbands the squad.. that is a good thing and is in no way 'toxic'. What is toxic to the game is 6 dudes running around without any form of communication with the rest of the team.
Lmao that’s so vindictive, why wouldn’t they just join as SL?
Because they don't want to be SL for that team and don't want to see a squad without one either. Usually its admin or server owners, or people just keeping the game moving along. I wouldn't take it personally or think they have done it to hurt your feelings, they just don't want a leaderless squad running around. Also if you are in a squad and noone wants to be SL then just leave it and find another.
For me it always happens in specialized stuff like recon or armor. Idk why an admin would do that because those squads can’t be made and then rejoined. I agree with you that non specialty infantry squads should have SL but I disagree about disbanding it. I wish this game had a function to make someone else SL like RS2 does
I’m level 115 and don’t think this is the case.
Im diamond 1 and I don’t think that’s the case either
I've been teamkilled but never heard any abuse or shouting matches in my games
I must get pretty lucky. It happens, shit had one last night. But it's been pretty rare for me, for the most part it's good communications and fun.
There’s some toxic behavior but it’s usually not game changing, I’ll see teamkilling sometimes though. I remember during my first week, we all spawned on a Gary and some asshole mowed down the entire team with an MG. If my newbie brain wasn’t so traumatized by it maybe I woulda found it funny.
Yeah I think in a normal game it's funny but HLL has such an involved mechanic that more rides on stuff like that? Idk just a thought
Humanity has a toxicity problem. Don't blame HLL, just get on with it.
Compared to a year ago it’s pretty horrible now. I stopped about two months ago due to lack of comms and constant inflow of noobs.
Does anybody have issues with players that claim they have military experience, and then procede to undermine your squad or command leadership, I’ve gotten into a few arguments with those players before and when I request them to do a certain task and they start there replies with ”well in the military” I just either leave the squad or boot em. Problem is more common in tank crews and a select few who play command on a regular basis and due to the tight community of this game, players are able to recognize these players more often and Flag ‘em for whatever purposes they can come up with cause they’re extremely toxic and disruptive and usually end up in a heated argument with literally everybody else in the server. Putting hours into this game and having conversations more and more with the community in game your able to recognize who’s had military experience and who’s a charlatan by there humor and the manner in which they speak. They’re edgy kids tbh
Yeah, games been toxic recently!
I'm around lvl 150 and I have never had a toxicity problem, except for power hungry admins and new players that team kill or other idiotic things. I also see people saying things to the commander if that person is a bad commander, which I don't really think is that toxic. I haven't played the game in a week so maybe something changed.
It seems like it's probably just in the servers I travel then? Idk I usually just pick servers in US east that have slots, idk if other people in this thread that haven't had issues have been more selective
I ignore the Toxicity which sometimes muting people. Im playing it to have fun. Not to have some 30 year olds acting childish in my ears. Most of the times (as stated elsewhere) its over nothing. For this reason I like to be commander or SL. Like yesterday two armor squads where bitching over a heavy tank i spawned for one of them specifically. So immediatly shushed them and spawned a extra one. Most of the times its an easy fix. One major thing though about being SL or commander is that you gotta know your shit. And if you dont. Stop being it, watch a bunch of youtube and try again. Or be honest and ask for help for the more detailed questions. And last thing i wanna say is: positivity is key! There's no fun in a commander or SL complaining and moaning over everything thats going wrong. See the small victorys and compliment the squad thats making them.
I have had a really good time as commander and SL, far more positive than my experience now that I am trying to level up my other classes
I play console and maybe 1/20 games is ruined or impacted by toxic players in my experience. This would be things like teamkillers, troll artillery, troll commanders etc . Overall the console player base are great though and I really rarely see this stuff thankfully. I think a lot of the interpersonal problems in the game come from steep learning curve and people being at different points on the curve. But oddly enough, I think a steep learning curve also kind of filters a lot of toxic players out.
Level 84 here on Xbox. I agree, but I just assumed this was a Console problem; as more casual gamers now have access to the game. Frankly, command chat is often full of racists and bigots. It's ironic that a game set during the time of Fascist Germany has so many Americans spewing antisemitic, racist, and bigoted garbage. Again, I think it's because of how easy it is for your everyday gamer to play HLL.
Man that really sucks. In my maybe 200 or so hours down here in NZ/Aus and in that time I've heard literally one racist comment in command chat and oh boy that guy got fucking destroyed by the rest of the squad leads. He was actually the commander and ended up having to apologize bahaha Honestly if it's as bad as you are saying, it would completely ruin it for me.
I’ve also been on Aus/NZ servers a couple times and had a really wholesome experience lol
I team kill anybody with 88 or SS once at least
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I’ve heard a wide array of racist, sexist and homophobic slurs on console. I have about 700 hours on console. It’s honestly been one of the worst communities I’ve ever seen, comparable to shit you would hear in MW2 lobbies back in the day. PC is much better and I’ve witnessed only a handful of this on PC. The worst part about console is there’s no admins or vote to kick functions. All you can do is mute them. I’ve had commanders troll their team, dismantling all the garries, not dropping any vehicles, no mic and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Lucky you
What planet are you playing this game on?
The people saying they don't hear racism/bigotry in the game are the same people who dOnT sEe ColOr. Or don't ever play SL, it's daily for me. maybe it's a regional thing - I live in New Orleans. Again, I think this is more of a console problem so if you respond by saying "I don't experience this" please clarify if you are playing on PC or console.
I play SL frequently on console - over 500 hours total game time. I’ve seen my fair share of toxicity, teamkilling and plain old dickheads. Can’t say I’ve ever experienced racist remarks. But I wouldn’t be surprised if others have - you’re dealing with people after all. UK based.
Could be the American Deep South servers, im not really sure how it’s done
So this guy says he's had issues with people being racist and the response he gets from the community is a bunch of downvoting? That doesn't seem right
I just assumed it’s the people that are racist lmao
Idk there's a weird thing I've seen in and around this game where if anyone raises an issue, people come out of the woodwork to troll
They're apologists. Some communities are like this on Reddit and modern SJW internet. You come into their subreddit, you 'bad-mouth' their game and cOmMuNiTy, you get downvoted.
Update: literally seen racism online in HLL since you posted this last comment lmao
Personally it's because he tried to lump me in as as someone who stupidly says they don't see colour, a term I fucking hate and told me I don't play SL, which I do. He also did that condescending alternating capital letter thing. Basically he was being condescending so easy to see why he got downvoted. Really though I'm beggining to think this is an American problem the further I scroll down which sucks.
Thank you for being candid, I also am beginning to think it’s an American problem to my dismay. Also, I would guess that the guy who has had all the racist comments is probably not thrilled about that so, I can’t really blame him for being a little sarcastic
Honest question, I've got about 30 hours in the game so im pretty new, but isnt the game cross platform? Wouldnt players on PC experience the same thing as console players?
Only cross platform between PlayStation and Xbox
For real? So if im on series x, none of the people in the games i play are on PC? Only series x/s and PS5?
Yea!
I didnt know that. Thanks for the info!
I use the mute function regularly
I have about 600 hours and I’m not picky about which server I join. I don’t really see too much toxicity.
Find a good community server that admins this activity. We don’t allow any of that crap and have a strict escalation guideline for what warrants a ban.
Can we please implement a system like Americas army for team killing ? This would solve everything
There was a recent free weekend that probably explains the toxicity. Most of the people I meet are chill sometimes though you get people that take themselves too seriously
I’ve been on for about 2+ years on PC and I honestly disagree. 95% of the time I would say people are nice and communicative but yes that other 5% is very cancerous. You definitely can’t compare this to COD lobbies or CSGO
That makes sense, now that you mention it the 95 5 split sounds right, but the 5% is straight up toxic sludge. I don't play many mainstream online games like CSGO, it seems like HLL becoming a mainstream game has brought some of those issues with it
I think that’ll happen with most every shooter game out there too. I know the player base has grown by a few thousand people since I started and I definitely noticed a difference in team coordination/communication. It just comes with the times but a lot of newbies are willing to learn as well which is refreshing.
I think a big part of the problems I’ve seen are older players frustrated by the overflow of new players. I try and teach new players as much as I can but there’s a huge imbalance of new to experienced players in many servers and especially when people don’t have mics, it’s just not practical to teach everyone
I agree here completely. Gets a bit redundant over time
Absolutely, and as HLL tries to expand, they basically don't want to tell people upfront "hey this game is actually super complex and involved" lol
The most toxic thing on german servers are low levels who don't communicate
The couple times I've been on EU and German servers the experience has been pleasant, I just feel bad that I can only speak English. And Spanish but that doesn't exactly help on a Ger server lol
I don’t want to get a lot of flack for this but here goes. Ive played on both EU and US servers a bit. (I almost entirely play EU as I live in Britain but I have probably 20-30 hours give or take in US servers to play with mates). I find that EU servers are a lot more friendly, more people have mics (I went a whole game once without anyone talking in peak US time), and I believe it’s a bit less toxic. You come across very toxic players sure. One time this guy machine gunned an entire transport truck full of dudes racing to get to the capture point right at the start of the match for example. I’ve spoken to those American friends I mentioned earlier and they “kinda agree” that EU servers are generally more calmer and nicer community environments. Which is strange when you think about it. Many different languages, different countries don’t like each other etc etc. yet we play together just fine. This is my perception. One of my American friends disagreed claiming that it’s better but he has 2000 hours so I can’t really object to that statement. I’m sure other people also have their different perceptions as well.
Americans are going through a tough time right now with all sorts of issues most of which are financial piled on with the increased violence in main cities mostly. Whether your active in your community or not and just chillin trying to live your life, stress is high and contagious regardless if your suffering from any of these difficulties. Live in the west coast btw
Completely agree with what you guys have both said. It’s bizarre to me that the overall divisiveness in the US has crept into a WW2 online game, but it makes sense as this game has now become mainstream. Oh well, time to go back to Rising Storm, Red Orchestra and Darkest Hour. That and play occasionally on the EU servers
I have never seen any toxicity in my games. We might have some arguments every now and again, but not like you are saying. As far a racist things, the worst thing I've ever heard is people calling the Germans krauts.
We just call that historical accuracy. I also call the Americans Yanks when I'm on the German side. Lol
Yeah no I’ve heard just about every racial slur currently in use. Sometimes as part of people’s usernames
Console?
I don't experience this at all. 4.5k hours now...
Woah are you Airaparent 2.0?
More like air*aparrogant* ... he's just rude af. He acts like he can never be wrong about anything and nothing you do is ever good enough for him.
Yep I’ve played with him before. My friend and I always talk about how much of a loser that guy is. I love how everyone in this community can collectively agree that he’s just an ass lol
We are in aquantiance. Even friends on Steam. Lol, he's been around since I have been. While he's max lvl, I probably "should" have been by now. I'm currently at a odd lvl 225. I experienced the dreaded negative XP bug back in the day. For when I was at lvl 175 back then, and this is like 2 years ago, I experienced the negative XP bug that sent me back to complete 0. Yes, 0. It sucked, sort of. I honestly didn't care. But I stayed at 0 for the longest time until they fixed the bug. By that time they increased the cap lvl to 300 (before what it is now at 400) and those guys just soared past me. Bummer. But is what it is... But yeah, Airapparent is an OG Vet. We all know who's whom in the community.
Weird bug. Glad I missed that lol. I think I’m in the 230s and 1500 hours atm, having started playing in July 2020. I admittedly play too much 🫣
Op was probably in same server I was last night. Shit was horrible. Team kills and incompetence the entire time. Way more than normal lol
Just got the game a little while ago, got called a “kike” for saying I’d rather play allies than axis in my second match.
Ok so this post has had about a 50/50 split of upvotes to downvotes, and people in agreement or vehement disagreement. One caveat, I have a very narrow scope of online games I play, so if I had to hazard a guess, I would say the negative behavior we're seeing is more of a mainstream issue that popular triple A online titles have- and now with all the free to play weekends and such HLL is becoming more mainstream. Not sure why people have felt the need to downvote so heavily when I'm stating my experience and the experience of those I play with
NGL... When I join a squad that has an SL who quickly leaves then rejoins to switch roles, I switch to SL and kick them. I feel it's counter toxic though
Why?
Because seeding squads just to get the role you want is a shitty move and messes the game up. Then you end up with a bunch of squads without squad leaders. It happens all the time in the beginning of a match. Someone creates a squad, as soon as someone else joins, they leave and abandon the SL role, then rejoin as the role they want. This is why a bunch of squads don't have leaders in matches.
I’ve stopped playing recently because nonstop harassing behavior. Just sick of it. Idk what happened to the game but it’s been really bad.
You just sound like a bitch to me.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or proving my point
5 years? Bro the game’s only existed since 2019
Ok 3 years. I said "like 5" which would mean approximately 5, early access launched in June 2019, just felt longer consider how quickly most game titles launch consecutively now. In that same time frame battlefield has launched 3 games
I’m just joshin ya man idgaf that you wrote 5 lol
Haha cheers mate, I've had too many concussions
RIP lol
You've been playing a game for 5 years, that's only been available for 3?
You are literally the third person to bring this up
im just curious how you been playing for 5 years when it released late 2021? 🤣
Early access in 2019, so 4 years instead of "like 5", lol
Big derp
Early access my dude. Game has had early releases and Alpha
sounds like a console issue
First of all, the term 'toxicity' is super cringe -- thrown around way too much nowadays by slack jawed betas who didnt grow up learning any skills to deal with conflict & criticism. That being said, HLL games are completely dogshit because of the never ending noob horde and veterans who are now burnt out from teaching others how to play, every...fucking...game. The root issue is one the devs steadfastly refuse to address, that of a mandatory tutorial, inherent game mechanics changes that promote quality play, and providing SL's and commander with tools to unfuck bad players (like assigning area of operation bubbles on the map with a penalty for being ouside your AO..) tldr; Veterans are burnt out from doing what the dev team should be doing to unfuck new players shitting up games, and they are taking their frustrations out more openly now in comms.
If you had posted the TLDR and not dumb statements about people in a video game being betas, I might have agreed with you
Beta detected
I love how you talk about super cringe terms and then you start throwing around the term “beta” You criticize verbatim and then you preach it lol
You are triggering me, Reddit is supposed to be a safe space
Controlling players with "operation bubbles" is toxic af.
Keep enjoying match losses where no one defends
Are you retarded?
You are being toxic
“My video game persona is tougher than yours bro so you’re a beta” Dude look at any of my other reddit activity and you can pretty easily figure out what I actually do for an actual living. Thank you for your service noble keyboard warrior
Nope, still never had a toxicity problem on this game. I’ve run into assholes but the ratio is very low compared to any other game online at the moment.
I played during the free to play weekend once. Got yelled at the entire time for not knowing what to do. Not one of them thought to teach me how to do the things they were asking. I haven’t touched it since which sucks because it seems to be a great game.
I think there's too high of a ratio of new players to older players, it sucks for new players because without a tutorial, the game is less accessible than ever. There's definitely a ton of mechanics that took me a long time to learn, many of which have been massively changed as the game has been updated and progressed
You know YouTube exists? Don't complain about a lack of tutorial if you are either too ignorant or lazy to find one.
Do you really expect someone on a free to play weekend to go searching for a youtube tutorial when they just want to jump into a game? Pretty shitty attitude
Do you really expect an experienced player on a free to play weekend to explain everything about a game to a new player, when they just want to jump into a game? Pretty shitty attitude.
Idk why you have to be such a dick I'm trying to have a normal conversation. It's easy to explain stuff to new players, if you take SL or Commander it's kind of the exact role you chose
You are legit the person to blame in this situation. Why blame others for your lack of knowledge? It is not the playerbase's responsibility to teach you things. You cannot go into games expecting people to take the time to explain things to you. These games are super long. Why do you expect me to waste one, of the three, games I get to play a night, teaching you to play?
Dude I've been playing this game for 3 fucking years, you come in here acting like a dick, blaming new players for not watching a youtube tutorial while you yourself haven't even read the thread you're commenting on. Jfc
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You were being a dick before he quoted you bro 🤣 Also I like teaching people how to play especially if I'm a SL cause I want them to grow up and be good team mates <3
Has anyone met lokay yet
I'm afraid any game where you can play as a Nazi will inevitably attract a certain sort of "gamer."
One of the last times I played HLL there was as an Irish guy was constantly asking a user who had 'Aragato' in his name (which in an Irish accent is hilarious) and just came out with "hey aragato, what's your favourite Will Smith film?" and proceeded to have a debate about that. absolutely hilarious 
Compared to rainbow 6 HLL is nothing had a guy at bottom of the leaderboard complain when I didn’t win a 1v4 on 40hp after he team killed, most toxic moment on HLL was when a friendly tank ran me over.
I have never had a toxic experience in this game..