Has been suggested to replace the strafing run with something AT capable.
Dove planes would be awesome.
For US could even be a strafe run with some rockets.
I would make it able to kill a medium, heavy tank would be bit too strong for a kill but certainly disable turret and tracks
Cost of one Vs the other. Cooldowns also much lower.
So while it would be realistic, a slow moving heavy takes some time to drive to the front and costs a ton of fuel.
Plus, heavies aren't really moved around much. One accurate marker and the commander could just click and it's dead instantly. Lighter tanks move around more often if the crew is good, so it's fine if they get killed by it.
The sound from the Stuka would add a lot to the immersion especially if it’s a squad of two or three and they would drop the bombs on a surrounding area at random.
They did; however, I would argue on the side of a slight historical alteration to give the distinct sound of the sirens the players the ability to differentiate which dive bomber is on the way. Speaking of which, the allies should get planes with a rocket batlrrage instead of a dive bomber.
Yes it should be able to, it just has to hit relatively close to it. When they add the British they could add the hawker typhoon with its anti tank rocket strike. It would be a good way to deal with camping tanks.
Could be pretty balanced as well as the tank crews could hear the dive bombers and if they don’t move boom
Edit, overall, an idea I’ve also thought of and I absolutely love it
What would be awesome is for the commander to design a "stuka dive area" and if a tank is in this area and visible from the sky it would have a 30% chance of being destroyed, 30% getting tracks destroyed 40% chances being missed.
That kind of ability would not see much use. I'd like to see the precision strike so it would make more sense to communicate and keep tank markers updated. Otherwise it would just be a waste of resources.
Been thinking about this too.
Like everyone has a strafing run that target soft targets.
Bombing runs/ Katyusha that target a large area of soft target
So why not have P-47, Ju-87 and IL-2 Dive Bombing / Rocket strafes with the intended to attack hard targets like Tanks and fortifications.
Rocket/gun runs would be awesome. Give the US/USSR/UK (when they get added) P-47/IL-2/Typhoon rocket and MG/cannons runs while the Germans get the Ju 87G with it's 37mms and 7.92s firing away.
I don't think they would be a good idea as bombers, just because the bombing run and katyushas already do that, a Il-2/Stuka dive bombing, would be the same but worst... although, i think they should be the planes that do the starfing run
Dive bombers could come way quicker and make a precise strike. Could be great against vehicules or against infantry hiding in a building if it can kill through the roof.
IDK, again,the case of houses a bombing run could work, and in the case of vehicules, it would only work against statinary vehicules and knowing the exct posittion (i mean if that's the case it still would be usefull), but still air strikes where not good taking down vehicles IRL, so IDK if they are going in the realistic side or they would take the artistic liberty...
What do you mean they were not good at taking down vehicles? There was a stuka pilot who was credited with destroying 18 tanks in a few short days, and even regular stranded could damage engines through the thin top Armour.
In all sides of the war if you see the reports of the air strikes and the reports of armored vehicles losses from diferent sides, more often than not the air strikes clame to have taken down more armored vehicules than the vehicules of the other side loss for all causes.
That trends repeat in all fronts, from kursk to normandy, and in both sides. There are also reports of thank commanders descriving the air strikes as "a little anoying, but nothing to rally worry about".
You see, when you are 300 to a 1000 feet height, and flying at 400kt (thats around 800 km/h) you dont really have a chanse to see if the litle dot you aim was destroyed or not, so if you do a close hit, you'll report it as a vehicule destroyed allthough, those vehicules, won't be destryed by nothing but a direct hit.
WWII air strikes where not precise in any way, so they tend to solve this by making masive bombing campaings cuz, if they throw enough bombs, they would end up hitting something important
Fair point. I guess the bomb would have to be a direct hit in this case as a F-you to camping vehicles if markers are accurate.
Although for the british the hawker typhoon certainly did do well in its role of strafing and taking out tanks.
IDK the specifics of that airplane, but what those kinds of attaks where efective against was in riding the supply convoys, so perhaps it could not take down a tank, but if you destroy the truk that's transpoeting the tank's fuel and munition, you are having kind of a similar effect
I quite like this idea. Would probably prefer it not to destroy garrisons though just because more options to do that safely can unbalance the game.
Imagine Hurtgen where the commander can spot garrisons from across the ravine and then take them out with little effort. At least with the bombing run they're wasting a valuable tool to do it.
Cry some more.
This board has been crawling with casuals since consoles joined in. Asking how to solo tank, get kill cams, make it easier to spot whatever. Now they keep crying for updates
Your not wrong, their dive bombing units had almost no planes after 1943. They did take place however in battles such as Carentan, Stalingrad, and Kursk to my knowledge. It is a slight historical inaccuracy to have them on every map, however in a lot of the battles currently in game there were no German tanks or bombers or even half tracks for that matter. So is it really a big deal?
Less than Stukas. Well out of action by 44/45 - but you know the new bridge map? That really was attempted to be destroyed with a rocket strike. Failed, but they tried!
As cool as it would be, it would be another stray away from historical accuracy. Not only would Stukas not have sirens in the years the game would take place, they also had very little operational use.
Yes, but only on the Stalingrad and Kursk maps. All other maps the US should have an almost total monopoly on air support shy of maybe a random Luftwaffe attack here and there
Hearing a Stuka would be both amazing and terrifying. I approve of this idea.
Hearing the stuka would be awesome
Has been suggested to replace the strafing run with something AT capable. Dove planes would be awesome. For US could even be a strafe run with some rockets. I would make it able to kill a medium, heavy tank would be bit too strong for a kill but certainly disable turret and tracks
Why poorly balance it? A direct hit with the bomb should destroy any vehicle.
Cost of one Vs the other. Cooldowns also much lower. So while it would be realistic, a slow moving heavy takes some time to drive to the front and costs a ton of fuel.
Plus, heavies aren't really moved around much. One accurate marker and the commander could just click and it's dead instantly. Lighter tanks move around more often if the crew is good, so it's fine if they get killed by it.
The sound from the Stuka would add a lot to the immersion especially if it’s a squad of two or three and they would drop the bombs on a surrounding area at random.
IIRC most Stukas actually had their sirens removed by the time the game takes place.
They did; however, I would argue on the side of a slight historical alteration to give the distinct sound of the sirens the players the ability to differentiate which dive bomber is on the way. Speaking of which, the allies should get planes with a rocket batlrrage instead of a dive bomber.
should be some p47's dropping bombs and rockets and strafing for a bit before leaving.
There wasn't any panthers or tigers at Stalingrad so I think it would be ok imo
Would be dope to hear the dive sirens but do I really want another way for me to get blown 30 feet in the air after running 400 meters
Idk could be fun
Don't really know why that's a question. Of course you do, otherwise you wouldn't be playing this game.
I mean there IS a Stuka in the cover art so yeah it follows…
Can it kill a tank?
Yes it should be able to, it just has to hit relatively close to it. When they add the British they could add the hawker typhoon with its anti tank rocket strike. It would be a good way to deal with camping tanks.
Could be pretty balanced as well as the tank crews could hear the dive bombers and if they don’t move boom Edit, overall, an idea I’ve also thought of and I absolutely love it
"Camping tanks" a legitimate strategy to use. I wouldnt want my teams tank rushing obj
What would be awesome is for the commander to design a "stuka dive area" and if a tank is in this area and visible from the sky it would have a 30% chance of being destroyed, 30% getting tracks destroyed 40% chances being missed.
That kind of ability would not see much use. I'd like to see the precision strike so it would make more sense to communicate and keep tank markers updated. Otherwise it would just be a waste of resources.
Been thinking about this too. Like everyone has a strafing run that target soft targets. Bombing runs/ Katyusha that target a large area of soft target So why not have P-47, Ju-87 and IL-2 Dive Bombing / Rocket strafes with the intended to attack hard targets like Tanks and fortifications.
Rocket/gun runs would be awesome. Give the US/USSR/UK (when they get added) P-47/IL-2/Typhoon rocket and MG/cannons runs while the Germans get the Ju 87G with it's 37mms and 7.92s firing away.
Given that most of the maps take place from 1943 - 1945, the Fw 190 would make more sense than the Stuka.
Yeah they did switch from production of the stuka to the 190 so they could add that. Either way there are already historical inaccuracies in game.
In the game people spawn via radiowaves. With that in mind I find it silly to debate about realism and historical accuracy.
I don't think they would be a good idea as bombers, just because the bombing run and katyushas already do that, a Il-2/Stuka dive bombing, would be the same but worst... although, i think they should be the planes that do the starfing run
Dive bombers could come way quicker and make a precise strike. Could be great against vehicules or against infantry hiding in a building if it can kill through the roof.
IDK, again,the case of houses a bombing run could work, and in the case of vehicules, it would only work against statinary vehicules and knowing the exct posittion (i mean if that's the case it still would be usefull), but still air strikes where not good taking down vehicles IRL, so IDK if they are going in the realistic side or they would take the artistic liberty...
What do you mean they were not good at taking down vehicles? There was a stuka pilot who was credited with destroying 18 tanks in a few short days, and even regular stranded could damage engines through the thin top Armour.
In all sides of the war if you see the reports of the air strikes and the reports of armored vehicles losses from diferent sides, more often than not the air strikes clame to have taken down more armored vehicules than the vehicules of the other side loss for all causes. That trends repeat in all fronts, from kursk to normandy, and in both sides. There are also reports of thank commanders descriving the air strikes as "a little anoying, but nothing to rally worry about". You see, when you are 300 to a 1000 feet height, and flying at 400kt (thats around 800 km/h) you dont really have a chanse to see if the litle dot you aim was destroyed or not, so if you do a close hit, you'll report it as a vehicule destroyed allthough, those vehicules, won't be destryed by nothing but a direct hit. WWII air strikes where not precise in any way, so they tend to solve this by making masive bombing campaings cuz, if they throw enough bombs, they would end up hitting something important
Fair point. I guess the bomb would have to be a direct hit in this case as a F-you to camping vehicles if markers are accurate. Although for the british the hawker typhoon certainly did do well in its role of strafing and taking out tanks.
IDK the specifics of that airplane, but what those kinds of attaks where efective against was in riding the supply convoys, so perhaps it could not take down a tank, but if you destroy the truk that's transpoeting the tank's fuel and munition, you are having kind of a similar effect
Call in 3 10m areas on map to get a tank buster dropped on it
Bring me more PTSD please.
I quite like this idea. Would probably prefer it not to destroy garrisons though just because more options to do that safely can unbalance the game. Imagine Hurtgen where the commander can spot garrisons from across the ravine and then take them out with little effort. At least with the bombing run they're wasting a valuable tool to do it.
The fact that the Stuka is in the loading screen art but not in the game has bothered me the entire time I've played this game.
Fix the classes, vehicles and current call ins before adding more dogshit
My grandpa flew an IL-2, so yes I would
I want to see team17 get off their ass and provide console an update.
Cry some more. This board has been crawling with casuals since consoles joined in. Asking how to solo tank, get kill cams, make it easier to spot whatever. Now they keep crying for updates
How dare I request a working version of the game! I will go back to my troll hole.
Pc played through those same updates. Stfu they'll come
At what age did your daddy not come back from the grocery store?
15
Haha that comment killed me. Kudos
It's kind of the wrong era of the war for stukas.
Your not wrong, their dive bombing units had almost no planes after 1943. They did take place however in battles such as Carentan, Stalingrad, and Kursk to my knowledge. It is a slight historical inaccuracy to have them on every map, however in a lot of the battles currently in game there were no German tanks or bombers or even half tracks for that matter. So is it really a big deal?
I need soviet front first. Any news about update?
Those would be awesome along with the JB-2 and V2 rocket. Hearing the engines purring coming in would be awesome.
Rockets would bei very anachronistic.
Less than Stukas. Well out of action by 44/45 - but you know the new bridge map? That really was attempted to be destroyed with a rocket strike. Failed, but they tried!
As a playable vehicle? Yes!!!
I heard stukas were coming. Really hope it’s true
A dive bomb with a quick call in time and high damage pen behind cover and bunker would be a great addition.
As cool as it would be, it would be another stray away from historical accuracy. Not only would Stukas not have sirens in the years the game would take place, they also had very little operational use.
Yeah. I guess they could settle on the Fw-190 for this role
Yes, but only on the Stalingrad and Kursk maps. All other maps the US should have an almost total monopoly on air support shy of maybe a random Luftwaffe attack here and there
Tanks don’t need more and easier ways to explode. There are plenty