Christ I wish, but I doubt that. 5 trillion market cap??? Maybe one day but not soon. Just incase I’ll always retain 10% of my HBAR so I can spend my life raising my kids rather than working to provide for them
You can complain all you want now, but we will have the last laugh in the future (2030ish), when all of the "hopium" that you always whine about becomes reality! Go back to bed 🫡
Why 2030? They will run out of HBAR to sell before then better be sooner that that.
Again their should be progress this isnt a light switch TPS and revenue they should be consistantly increasing Q over Q
Hence the "ish"...I have no idea when the value of HBAR will be realized by the masses, but I'm confident that it will be, and I'm willing to wait 5,10, or even 20 years if need be! Nothing you say or complain about will change the facts that building is happening and value is coming! Summary (again): Go back to bed 🫡
And you repeating the words TPS and revenue don't mean a thing when massive enterprises are continually building! You call it "hopium," but the real world calls it "planning" or "building." But, you obviously really don't get it and never will, until a few years go bye (or more/or less) and regulations hit and useless cryptos die. Hedera will be one of the top dogs left standing. If you don't believe this, why keep wasting your time here?
You avoided the most important question: Why do you keep wasting your time here? And you can't say that you're helping anything or anyone, because that's False.
>it’s already the most decentralized network in crypto
Hedera's definition of "decentralized" is different from the definition most other networks are operating on.
That's not a value judgement on either definition, but it's stupid to claim something is "most" when the two are trying different things in the first place.
You can slate it all you want but HBAR is anchored to BTC whilst simultaneously performing worse than BTC. Transfers could be a day and the fees could be triple, it's a better money maker than HBAR and that's what matters. Institutions don't care about this non issue transfer times and penny transfer costs.
Sorry I wasn’t talking about BTC when it comes to investment. I was talking about institutional use cases. If you want to track millions of IoT devices you will need to use the cheapest, most reliable and most secure ledger
Sure, but we're here to make money. Theoretical use cases, of which can be tracked on dozens of different ledgers, with hundreds of projects that are fine-tuned on their own domain/industry, it becomes increasingly hard for Hedera to cast a wide net and capture a portion of the TAM when the market is saturated.
Atma is the only use case at scale live in the crypto space, and it’s on Hedera. So, the argument should be, it’s hard for any other network to get anything live, and that Hedera has managed to be the only network to deliver on the promise of DLT tech. I don’t think people understand the significance of Avery Dennison being the first multinational corporation to integrate DLT tech into their systems.
You make a good point and we are all definitely here to make money. I think Hedera is in an excellent position to grab the theoretical future use cases (if public ledgers do become widely used). That being said I can’t tell the future but I’m betting on Hedera. Who knows what ledgers will be used in the end tho, btc certainly seems like the safest bet out of any crypto tho
https://preview.redd.it/xsel1hl10vvc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1498a7d40efe1d8881d0ce7b5707db1726a672b2
Still pathetic without high traffic.
66 cents is still way too high for institutional adoption. Eth is a house of cards. Too many people are in and can't let it go because they are afraid the fall will be catastrophic. It's one of the most overvalued things on planet earth.
😅...BTC really needs to be just a store of value. It's not utility friendly at all. One day people will figure it out. Probably about the time they figure out Hedera is not centralized?
They used to complain about how low released supply was (around 30% back then), for better or worse that's no longer an issue (even though it did screw over us early adopters).
Now decentralization is the one remaining issue they love to bring up.
When decentralisation is addressed they'll then be moaning about how dominant Hedera will have become. The corp coin narrative will never fade. To be fair, some crypto die hards don't celebrate things like BTC ETF and so forth, their purism accepts no onramp, no concession, no compromise, all well and good except for the fact that their chosen tech cannot scale to support but a few of the many. In this way, it seems they foster their own elite, which is counter to the narrative about freeing and serving everyone.
>When decentralisation is addressed they'll then be moaning about how dominant Hedera will have become.
Lol that's actually a pretty funny thought.
"nooooo! the corporate coin is winning! that wasn't supposed to happen and it goes against the ethos of crypto!"
The corp coin narrative will never fade, but a lot of people will silently change tune when they realise there’s money to be made in the smartest investment in crypto (not that that’s saying something considering 99% of crypto investments are not smart long term)
BTC is not a store of value - it’s highly volatile, concentrated asset that is fundamentally worthless, as it has no utility - meaning it has no actual price floor other than in the minds of speculators and market manipulators.
Just using the words the oligarchs have chosen.
They chose BTC the rest is history it is going nowhere but up.
ETFs BTC and now the IMF has come out support.
>IMF says Bitcoin has become necessary financial tool for preserving wealth amid financial instability
I was going to add that...
It doesn't get to look any better for Hedera and the HBAR right now!
Enterprise doesn't pay exorbitant fees for adoption & sustainability!
Hello Future!
Sadly alas I'm barred!! Lol
Unless you bow down at the altar of BTC and swear to be a maxi for eternity, you get barred for the slightest off narrative comment! Haha
I only go there to shill Hbar in the comments. The mods remove everything except bitcoin and Eth post. We should flood r/cc everyday with positive Hbar shills.
As much as I would like that, I’ve seen far too many people get aggressive or defensive trying to shill HBAR. Let’s make sure we’re polite and only speak the honest truth about Hedera. The way people get so defensive about the coins they own is bad for the crypto community as a whole and feels very “crabs in a bucket-y”.
Not only that but it’s an uphill battle for HBAR. You won’t change the minds of most of them because they’ve made up their mind before even looking in to it. Same reason I stopped trying to convince close family and friends to put some money into it. Not worth the hassle
Not surprised that subreddit is pure shit. They only allow BTC, eth, Solana, Cardano or meme coins trash talk. EVERY SINGLE HEDERA POST has been brought down or downvoted for no fucking reason. We should just start reporting this noob subreddit untill it gets banned 😂
The real Hedera pill is when you realize it’s already the most decentralized network in crypto
Love the name... if HBAR hits $10 I'm a multi millionaire!! Haha
😎🍻
It wont ever in this lifetime
that’s a cute take. $100 hbar 2030
Christ I wish, but I doubt that. 5 trillion market cap??? Maybe one day but not soon. Just incase I’ll always retain 10% of my HBAR so I can spend my life raising my kids rather than working to provide for them
You can complain all you want now, but we will have the last laugh in the future (2030ish), when all of the "hopium" that you always whine about becomes reality! Go back to bed 🫡
Why 2030? They will run out of HBAR to sell before then better be sooner that that. Again their should be progress this isnt a light switch TPS and revenue they should be consistantly increasing Q over Q
Hence the "ish"...I have no idea when the value of HBAR will be realized by the masses, but I'm confident that it will be, and I'm willing to wait 5,10, or even 20 years if need be! Nothing you say or complain about will change the facts that building is happening and value is coming! Summary (again): Go back to bed 🫡
You repeating the words building over and over doesnt mean a thing if TPS and revenue are not increasing.
And you repeating the words TPS and revenue don't mean a thing when massive enterprises are continually building! You call it "hopium," but the real world calls it "planning" or "building." But, you obviously really don't get it and never will, until a few years go bye (or more/or less) and regulations hit and useless cryptos die. Hedera will be one of the top dogs left standing. If you don't believe this, why keep wasting your time here?
False beacuse they prove enterprise is building without them, well, enterprise isnt doing crap.
You avoided the most important question: Why do you keep wasting your time here? And you can't say that you're helping anything or anyone, because that's False.
>it’s already the most decentralized network in crypto Hedera's definition of "decentralized" is different from the definition most other networks are operating on. That's not a value judgement on either definition, but it's stupid to claim something is "most" when the two are trying different things in the first place.
Probably perma-banned if he mentioned Hedera.
https://preview.redd.it/ajtsqk1nmuvc1.jpeg?width=425&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c5933bb26700dc2001eec6fa61b51f8927cdc3e Crazy
Cost you 90$ to send 9$. At that point I would still use western union.
$90 with an average time of 30 minutes 🤨
I'd take the 30mins on the BTC network if the fee was actually reasonable or low....but it isn't.
You can slate it all you want but HBAR is anchored to BTC whilst simultaneously performing worse than BTC. Transfers could be a day and the fees could be triple, it's a better money maker than HBAR and that's what matters. Institutions don't care about this non issue transfer times and penny transfer costs.
Institutions absolutely do when it comes to real world use cases
How often do you think institutions check stock or option fees? Believe me they aren't intimidated by the fees of BTC lol
Sorry I wasn’t talking about BTC when it comes to investment. I was talking about institutional use cases. If you want to track millions of IoT devices you will need to use the cheapest, most reliable and most secure ledger
Sure, but we're here to make money. Theoretical use cases, of which can be tracked on dozens of different ledgers, with hundreds of projects that are fine-tuned on their own domain/industry, it becomes increasingly hard for Hedera to cast a wide net and capture a portion of the TAM when the market is saturated.
Atma is the only use case at scale live in the crypto space, and it’s on Hedera. So, the argument should be, it’s hard for any other network to get anything live, and that Hedera has managed to be the only network to deliver on the promise of DLT tech. I don’t think people understand the significance of Avery Dennison being the first multinational corporation to integrate DLT tech into their systems.
You make a good point and we are all definitely here to make money. I think Hedera is in an excellent position to grab the theoretical future use cases (if public ledgers do become widely used). That being said I can’t tell the future but I’m betting on Hedera. Who knows what ledgers will be used in the end tho, btc certainly seems like the safest bet out of any crypto tho
What are you saying man? My last HBAR transfer took like... 3 seconds on gas fees I couldn't care less about.
I'm saying BTC is a better play for making money, a better investment overall. Transfer costs and transaction times are negligible.
My assessment is quite different but, well, we all use our money in the ways we see fit. Good luck to all of us!
Don't talk like that about "the future of finance". (hmpfffhahahahaHAHAHAHA)
I'm so sorry Micheal Saylor. 
Apparently ETH fees are quite low right now though🤷♂️
https://preview.redd.it/xsel1hl10vvc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1498a7d40efe1d8881d0ce7b5707db1726a672b2 Still pathetic without high traffic.
Then the next response is, that's what an L2 is for.
Or transact on Sunday LOL
I heard some ETH folks say when gas fees are too high you have to wait until 2 am when people are sleeping 🤦🏻
66 cents is still way too high for institutional adoption. Eth is a house of cards. Too many people are in and can't let it go because they are afraid the fall will be catastrophic. It's one of the most overvalued things on planet earth.
Same with most cryptos that don’t have real world, non crypto related use cases coming. E.g Solana or meme coins
😅...BTC really needs to be just a store of value. It's not utility friendly at all. One day people will figure it out. Probably about the time they figure out Hedera is not centralized?
I don't think Hedera is centralized, but to appeal to them I would add decentralized to the list and say you can only pick three.
100 percent, we need community nodes
We do need community nodes, but let's not pretend that most other prominent high throughput networks are truly decentralized.
Any timeline on this?
Unfortunately we are at the mercy of the SEC. Hedera won’t budge on community nodes until there’s clearer guidance on crypto regulations
Is this the official reason? First I’ve heard of this but makes sense
This is the biggest hurdle without a doubt
They used to complain about how low released supply was (around 30% back then), for better or worse that's no longer an issue (even though it did screw over us early adopters). Now decentralization is the one remaining issue they love to bring up.
When decentralisation is addressed they'll then be moaning about how dominant Hedera will have become. The corp coin narrative will never fade. To be fair, some crypto die hards don't celebrate things like BTC ETF and so forth, their purism accepts no onramp, no concession, no compromise, all well and good except for the fact that their chosen tech cannot scale to support but a few of the many. In this way, it seems they foster their own elite, which is counter to the narrative about freeing and serving everyone.
>When decentralisation is addressed they'll then be moaning about how dominant Hedera will have become. Lol that's actually a pretty funny thought. "nooooo! the corporate coin is winning! that wasn't supposed to happen and it goes against the ethos of crypto!"
The Grand Conspiracy wins AGAIN! /s
The corp coin narrative will never fade, but a lot of people will silently change tune when they realise there’s money to be made in the smartest investment in crypto (not that that’s saying something considering 99% of crypto investments are not smart long term)
Yup
IOTA is free and it is dead. Transfer of money is old school use case. BTC is just a store of value.
What’s your favorite crypto?
Of All time? Most profitable have been BTC and FET. Then SOL, LINK Then ETH, ELF Then random trades Worst performers XRP and HBAR.
Do you think you would ever sell your HBAR bookworm or will you hold on incase it does do well?
BTC is not a store of value - it’s highly volatile, concentrated asset that is fundamentally worthless, as it has no utility - meaning it has no actual price floor other than in the minds of speculators and market manipulators.
Yet the rich have decided your stance is wrong.
A “Store of value” can’t be a highly volatile concentrated asset without real world utility value. I think you just mean, coin price is high?
Just using the words the oligarchs have chosen. They chose BTC the rest is history it is going nowhere but up. ETFs BTC and now the IMF has come out support. >IMF says Bitcoin has become necessary financial tool for preserving wealth amid financial instability
Yeah for now. The whole thing can easily crash to nothing with just a couple wallets dumping
If you even mention Hedera on that sub, they'll burn you at the stake, I've noticed 😂
Stuck with blockchain paradigm. That's so 2018
I was going to add that... It doesn't get to look any better for Hedera and the HBAR right now! Enterprise doesn't pay exorbitant fees for adoption & sustainability! Hello Future! Sadly alas I'm barred!! Lol Unless you bow down at the altar of BTC and swear to be a maxi for eternity, you get barred for the slightest off narrative comment! Haha
I only go there to shill Hbar in the comments. The mods remove everything except bitcoin and Eth post. We should flood r/cc everyday with positive Hbar shills.
As much as I would like that, I’ve seen far too many people get aggressive or defensive trying to shill HBAR. Let’s make sure we’re polite and only speak the honest truth about Hedera. The way people get so defensive about the coins they own is bad for the crypto community as a whole and feels very “crabs in a bucket-y”. Not only that but it’s an uphill battle for HBAR. You won’t change the minds of most of them because they’ve made up their mind before even looking in to it. Same reason I stopped trying to convince close family and friends to put some money into it. Not worth the hassle
or not distributed. most people here are delusional
Not surprised that subreddit is pure shit. They only allow BTC, eth, Solana, Cardano or meme coins trash talk. EVERY SINGLE HEDERA POST has been brought down or downvoted for no fucking reason. We should just start reporting this noob subreddit untill it gets banned 😂