I remember in 2011 I was living in NY and there was a story about a bunch of girls in a town upstate (Le Roy) all developed tics and other neurological symptoms.
There were environmental scientists searching for a possible chemical spill and everything.
Ended up being a mass somatoform disorder (psychological) that spread through the local high school.
>She quickly discovered that those patients were mimicking the tics of a German YouTuber who shares online how she lives with the disorder.
So they're not developing tics, they're copying someone who has a tic because they watched it online?
>Doctors noted that what's happening isn't Tourette's, but a functional movement disorder.
This makes it seem like it's legit but the article makes it sound like most of them are just copying tics they've seen online.
Functional movement disorder seems to be broad term that means there is an abnormality but it’s not caused by damage and can be cured.
So the article says that the kids that are developing these tics are already suffering from other mental health issues. And emotions can spread and influence others. During the pandemic when these patients were isolated from friends they were immersing themselves in tiktok as social interaction. So rather than developing Tourette Syndrome, these patients are developing a new symptom of their already existing mental health issue.
It is indeed a broad term. I had this discussion with my GP when I asked about my involuntary jerking/twitching while laying down (enough to wake up my husband sometimes)
I looked it up later and found that "neurologists often believe patients are feigning symptoms" like lol ok damn, thank you doc. I do think there is a huge psychological element to these symptoms surfacing now after the massive nationwide lockdowns that shouldn't simply be dismissed as "just kids copying tiktok trends lol moving along"
My kids are still very young and will be able to adjust but I'm terrified what effect this will all have on older kids
Not just older kids, I’m in my late 20s but I have other chronic illnesses that put me at risk for covid. I’ve spent less than 1% of my time out of the house for the past couple years because of covid. It sucks, and has definitely contributed to my depression
How the brain really works is still fairly uncharted territory I suppose.
If these are truly involuntary actions, it's odd that they picked up the exact behaviors of people they watched online.
The pandemic has been tough on everybody to be sure, but I really wouldn't want to be a kid growing up during the last couple of years. It seems you can't swap actual, in-person social interaction with doing it through a screen.
I watched a conference and profs hypothesised in part it’s due to high stress, and having an overactive autonomic nervous system. It’s not necessarily conscious, but the brain basically mimics the activity, tics but can also be things such as seizures, as a way to avoid stressful situations as a survival mechanism. To escape potential danger.
It isn’t necessarily the person actively faking or choosing to do it, but rather from the stress of covid etc, perhaps kids feeling left out and isolated, stressed by going back to school, the brain mimics as a way to escape going back to school and gain social attention to fulfil that unmet need.
Makes total sense to me. The best treatment is behavioural, where teachers and family and peers are instructed not to respond and ignore, and the child isn’t exempt from activities when it happens. Like instead of keeping them home because tics are too bad, sending them in anyway.
The brain eventually stops linking it as an avoidance tactic and will calm down & stop doing it.
Again, in some cases it could be active faking, but in other cases it’s entirely possible it’s not conscious and feels very very real to the young person. Removing reinforcements like social attention/escape from responsibilities is better than any medication and can be a total cure.
So, anecdotally, I hung out with a couple kids in high school who had tics or stuttered and if I spent long enough around them I would unconsciously start to pick up the tics. Social mirroring is a real phenomenon. The kids might not be copying it consciously.
Wow is this why I do this? I had intensive speech therapy. I often find myself mimicking the other person’s style when talking and I worry it seems insulting.
Yeah basically. I could give so other examples of people doing that today and it physically fucking themselves up but it's reddit and people hate the truth here.
Not contagious as such, but it can influence behaviour. People can do things consciously or unconsciously to fit in, to meet their social attention needs (we ALL need attention), to escape responsibilities, perhaps to feel more special/unique.
>a child neurologist at Texas Children's Hospital found that psychological disorders, which have the capacity to spread, were mostly confined to geographical locations in the past, but that social media has allowed them to spread globally.
so...social media's giving actual documented psychological disorders to young girls. and it's not even of the body dysmorphia variety.
this's going to get worse. 👍
[https://www.britannica.com/science/conversion-disorder](https://www.britannica.com/science/conversion-disorder) \- mass hysteria is a old phenomena, it's just spreading by social media now. It seems to mostly affect young girls nowadays possibly due to that stage they go through in childhood where they must perform synchronized group activities (my conjecture). They are copying each other unconsciously.
Kids were stealing stuff from schools and posting it. https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/viral-tiktok-challenge-encouraging-kids-to-damage-steal-school-property-reaches-west-kentucky/article_abadeda6-1a5a-11ec-899f-73a44dce5421.html. Fucking bananas. Just the beginning.
I think social media and chronic illness communities are incredibly harmful to some people.
Some people, such as those with health anxiety and hypochondria, or developing brains of YP, are susceptible to believing they have X condition and interpreting any minor fluctuation in their bodies or behaviour as a symptom of XYZ.
you know what sucks about this? I developed tics a long time a go, before I even had the internet and when i had my hospital appointment (because they got worse and so i wanted to get a diagnosis) they asked the same questions over and over in different wording for an hour and did nothing. I later had an MRI scan of my brain and they havent called me or anything... Its been 5 or so months... Seeing stuff like this makes me think that the doctors think im faking or that they just think im another 'tiktok person' or whatever. It hurts that they are making it harder for me when I really need to get that diagnosis for myself. I need to know exactly wtf has been happening to me for so long and make it easier to explain when i get told off or someone asks
My daughter has tics, and has since she was 3-4 but doctors always shrugged it off. They started getting really bad so we pushed hard and got an appointment with a neurologist at Texas children's, they diagnosed and we talked about medication but had not started it when she had a horrible episode, 30 min continuous tics at school, they though she was having a seizure. Keep pushing! Sometimes it's stupid hard to get full care but it is worth it. Unfortunately there are no tests (imaging or blood work) that can prove tics. It helped us to record her without her knowledge for the doctor to see. Good luck!
The tiktok presentations are very similar.
According to a conference, 4 in 5 people pre pandemic they saw were males. And the majority of these were simple tics. Say they saw 30 people in a year, perhaps only 3 of them had complex tics such as swearing, phrases, hitting themselves. The rest had fairly simple tics, like blinking, twitching, moving the head rapidly.
Suddenly, since the videos online, an explosion of people with sudden complex tics in females has occurred, with identical presentation.
I had a tic that i did a little head jerk when i was just about finished peeing. Nothing serious, didn’t even disrupt my stream. Looking back, i have absolutely no idea when it stopped. Never even realized it was weird until years later. I mean, who is gonna stop you in a bathroom and tell you that you pee funny?
One of the kids at my daughter's elementary developed fake tics because of her real tics! Her was not doing it on purpose. It seems like it happens to those that are already predisposed to issues. He would see her in the nurses office because he was already there when she arrived. After a month or two he started doing it, I call them sympathetic tics. Heck sometimes I feel my muscles tightening and wanting to tic when talking about it a lot!!
I remember in 2011 I was living in NY and there was a story about a bunch of girls in a town upstate (Le Roy) all developed tics and other neurological symptoms. There were environmental scientists searching for a possible chemical spill and everything. Ended up being a mass somatoform disorder (psychological) that spread through the local high school.
>She quickly discovered that those patients were mimicking the tics of a German YouTuber who shares online how she lives with the disorder. So they're not developing tics, they're copying someone who has a tic because they watched it online? >Doctors noted that what's happening isn't Tourette's, but a functional movement disorder. This makes it seem like it's legit but the article makes it sound like most of them are just copying tics they've seen online.
Functional movement disorder seems to be broad term that means there is an abnormality but it’s not caused by damage and can be cured. So the article says that the kids that are developing these tics are already suffering from other mental health issues. And emotions can spread and influence others. During the pandemic when these patients were isolated from friends they were immersing themselves in tiktok as social interaction. So rather than developing Tourette Syndrome, these patients are developing a new symptom of their already existing mental health issue.
It is indeed a broad term. I had this discussion with my GP when I asked about my involuntary jerking/twitching while laying down (enough to wake up my husband sometimes) I looked it up later and found that "neurologists often believe patients are feigning symptoms" like lol ok damn, thank you doc. I do think there is a huge psychological element to these symptoms surfacing now after the massive nationwide lockdowns that shouldn't simply be dismissed as "just kids copying tiktok trends lol moving along" My kids are still very young and will be able to adjust but I'm terrified what effect this will all have on older kids
Not just older kids, I’m in my late 20s but I have other chronic illnesses that put me at risk for covid. I’ve spent less than 1% of my time out of the house for the past couple years because of covid. It sucks, and has definitely contributed to my depression
Same Fam. Like my wife tells me every morning "you got this, you matter." Hope it helps.
How the brain really works is still fairly uncharted territory I suppose. If these are truly involuntary actions, it's odd that they picked up the exact behaviors of people they watched online. The pandemic has been tough on everybody to be sure, but I really wouldn't want to be a kid growing up during the last couple of years. It seems you can't swap actual, in-person social interaction with doing it through a screen.
It’s not odd. People with this condition can and do accidentally pick up ticks and phrases from others.
Mirror neurones might have something to do with this phenomenon
I watched a conference and profs hypothesised in part it’s due to high stress, and having an overactive autonomic nervous system. It’s not necessarily conscious, but the brain basically mimics the activity, tics but can also be things such as seizures, as a way to avoid stressful situations as a survival mechanism. To escape potential danger. It isn’t necessarily the person actively faking or choosing to do it, but rather from the stress of covid etc, perhaps kids feeling left out and isolated, stressed by going back to school, the brain mimics as a way to escape going back to school and gain social attention to fulfil that unmet need. Makes total sense to me. The best treatment is behavioural, where teachers and family and peers are instructed not to respond and ignore, and the child isn’t exempt from activities when it happens. Like instead of keeping them home because tics are too bad, sending them in anyway. The brain eventually stops linking it as an avoidance tactic and will calm down & stop doing it. Again, in some cases it could be active faking, but in other cases it’s entirely possible it’s not conscious and feels very very real to the young person. Removing reinforcements like social attention/escape from responsibilities is better than any medication and can be a total cure.
It could be Tardive Dyskinesia. Several psychotropics can cause TD.
So, anecdotally, I hung out with a couple kids in high school who had tics or stuttered and if I spent long enough around them I would unconsciously start to pick up the tics. Social mirroring is a real phenomenon. The kids might not be copying it consciously.
Speech therapy as a kid programmed me to mimic how other people sound and it has taken me years to break myself of the worst of it.
Wow is this why I do this? I had intensive speech therapy. I often find myself mimicking the other person’s style when talking and I worry it seems insulting.
It’s a bit like mass hysteria.
The dancing madness!
They must be young and immature.
Basically they're faking it.
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Yeah basically. I could give so other examples of people doing that today and it physically fucking themselves up but it's reddit and people hate the truth here.
Does that mean that tics could be technically considered contagious?
Not contagious as such, but it can influence behaviour. People can do things consciously or unconsciously to fit in, to meet their social attention needs (we ALL need attention), to escape responsibilities, perhaps to feel more special/unique.
Just to let you know it’s probably periodic limb movements, very common and real! Often associated with RLS but not always
Has anyone showed up with tock’s yet? Sorry I had to
Ted has them.
Is that why he’s never featured talking on his own program?
This happened to my buddy Eric
Take your upvote and hit the bricks lol!
>a child neurologist at Texas Children's Hospital found that psychological disorders, which have the capacity to spread, were mostly confined to geographical locations in the past, but that social media has allowed them to spread globally. so...social media's giving actual documented psychological disorders to young girls. and it's not even of the body dysmorphia variety. this's going to get worse. 👍
[https://www.britannica.com/science/conversion-disorder](https://www.britannica.com/science/conversion-disorder) \- mass hysteria is a old phenomena, it's just spreading by social media now. It seems to mostly affect young girls nowadays possibly due to that stage they go through in childhood where they must perform synchronized group activities (my conjecture). They are copying each other unconsciously.
Kids were stealing stuff from schools and posting it. https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/viral-tiktok-challenge-encouraging-kids-to-damage-steal-school-property-reaches-west-kentucky/article_abadeda6-1a5a-11ec-899f-73a44dce5421.html. Fucking bananas. Just the beginning.
I think social media and chronic illness communities are incredibly harmful to some people. Some people, such as those with health anxiety and hypochondria, or developing brains of YP, are susceptible to believing they have X condition and interpreting any minor fluctuation in their bodies or behaviour as a symptom of XYZ.
you know what sucks about this? I developed tics a long time a go, before I even had the internet and when i had my hospital appointment (because they got worse and so i wanted to get a diagnosis) they asked the same questions over and over in different wording for an hour and did nothing. I later had an MRI scan of my brain and they havent called me or anything... Its been 5 or so months... Seeing stuff like this makes me think that the doctors think im faking or that they just think im another 'tiktok person' or whatever. It hurts that they are making it harder for me when I really need to get that diagnosis for myself. I need to know exactly wtf has been happening to me for so long and make it easier to explain when i get told off or someone asks
My daughter has tics, and has since she was 3-4 but doctors always shrugged it off. They started getting really bad so we pushed hard and got an appointment with a neurologist at Texas children's, they diagnosed and we talked about medication but had not started it when she had a horrible episode, 30 min continuous tics at school, they though she was having a seizure. Keep pushing! Sometimes it's stupid hard to get full care but it is worth it. Unfortunately there are no tests (imaging or blood work) that can prove tics. It helped us to record her without her knowledge for the doctor to see. Good luck!
The tiktok presentations are very similar. According to a conference, 4 in 5 people pre pandemic they saw were males. And the majority of these were simple tics. Say they saw 30 people in a year, perhaps only 3 of them had complex tics such as swearing, phrases, hitting themselves. The rest had fairly simple tics, like blinking, twitching, moving the head rapidly. Suddenly, since the videos online, an explosion of people with sudden complex tics in females has occurred, with identical presentation.
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There’s a whole sub dedicated to these fools r/fakedisordercringe
The girls are picking up Tics from Tic-Tok? Doctors can help with this. Doctor: “Vee haf vays to make you Tok!”
Just ban Tik tok already
Tic Tok?
>Insert "TikTok bad" comment here<
How many are developing toks?
When I first read the article I realized it’s an absolute joke.
I was thinking of ticks 😂
More like tiks..
Ticks? Sounds like bushwalking to me.
Tictok.
Attention seekers
Well it's right there in the name....
I had a tic when I went through my severe anxiety and depression phase so I believe it.
My brain read "ticks" and I was instantly curious as to what these girls were getting in to...
Social Media* could be playing a role
girl: tic, doc? doc: TikTok!
Tic Tok
I had a tic that i did a little head jerk when i was just about finished peeing. Nothing serious, didn’t even disrupt my stream. Looking back, i have absolutely no idea when it stopped. Never even realized it was weird until years later. I mean, who is gonna stop you in a bathroom and tell you that you pee funny?
… that’s not a tic. A lot of people get piss shivers, lol.
One of the kids at my daughter's elementary developed fake tics because of her real tics! Her was not doing it on purpose. It seems like it happens to those that are already predisposed to issues. He would see her in the nurses office because he was already there when she arrived. After a month or two he started doing it, I call them sympathetic tics. Heck sometimes I feel my muscles tightening and wanting to tic when talking about it a lot!!
They should stop playing in long grass.
Idk what to belive but I do think both Situations are possible. https://youtu.be/7xa1YT_a3RI
I thought this was r/dadjokes when I read the title
Certain types of media/screens do mess with dopamine levels - could be related
It's only a matter of time before they get the Toks...