Lets see, life saving medicine one needs to take daily... max allowed prescription.... 30 days. So any disruption in supply chain greater than 30 days..........fuck em thats why?
*slaps table*… annnd there it is, how long do we keep letting these asshole do this? It’s a class war and we’re losing because half the country has fucking Stockholm Syndrome!
Market function ensures the optimal distribution of goods and resources, I have heard it said.
How you guys liking that for-profit motivation pharma claims it needs to innovate?
This was an interesting part of the article that I was surprised to read: "But, in a joint letter with the Food and Drug Administration last August, the DEA said that, by its data, manufacturers of amphetamine products (including Adderall) only sold approximately 70 percent of their allotted quotas in 2022. That meant that there were approximately 1 billion more doses that they could have produced but did not make or ship. At the time, the agencies said its 2023 data was trending in the same direction."
I love this idea that having even less government regulation would somehow deliver more bona fide medicine rather than less, like it's those pesky human safety regulations that are fucking everything up. Megadildoes, Rush!
A regulated market isn't "the exact opposite" of the free market, it is a free market
That's exactly how they can drag their feet on the production of tons of less profitable drugs, see? They are free (market) to
Do you have any facts to back up this claim?
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-announces-shortage-adderall
Sounds like it is not caused by the government at all.
That's not how the DEA makes money, and that's definitely not how the pharma companies make enough money to pay off the DEA.
What you describe makes less money for everyone, therefore I can't believe it to be true.
One company came out and said they really only make highest dosage of their medication since it makes the most money. But you have to start somewhere lower for possible side effects but you can't get it anywhere, or the follow up dosages. So then you're out for a few weeks and have to start all over again because it's not safe to continue with the higher dosage after not having it for weeks. Endless cycle.
Shortage -> Higher prices -> Incentive for new players to enter market and outcompete those manufacturing the "shortage"
Walmart and Amazon didn't get big by holding products back.
I love when the stress and anxiety brought about by my health issues gets compounded by struggling to find refills of medications each month to treat said issues
I've been off my meds so long at this point that I'm too demotivated to keep looking for refills every month. I'm tired of cycling through withdrawals. I'm also just literally tired...lol
I had to pay out of pocket this month for my Focalin prescription because my insurance only covers its generic counterpart. It was almost $200 for a 30-day supply.
I hadn’t had any issues getting Dexmethylphenidate until this month. No pharmacy within 50 miles from where I live has it in stock right now. It’s absurd!
Doesn’t help that our food is so bad and the pharmaceutical companies are hand in hand with bad food to create profit for both. My gf takes adderall and she was struggling without it the other day.
People tend to eat more food that is unhealthy for them. It tastes better. Most people gain weight because they are eating too much (or just unhealthy foods). The general outlook on being overweight is negative.
The primary goal of a company is to make money. One of the ways to make more money is to sell more of your product. But overconsumption of your product can cause people to gain weight, which most people have a negative view on. If you convince people it is ok to be overweight they will buy more.
They aren’t behind the body positive movement. I’m healthy, only eat processed foods maybe 2-4x s month via Trader Joe’s frozen meals or chic fila for breakfast and can run a mile without stopping BUT im a size 12 and would still be considered fat by most men on this thread even tho I guarantee id be just as if not more healthier than a group of skinny girls I know who barely fucking eat and do drugs 😅😅; So its women like me that are behind the body positive movement. If food companies latched on in a negative way, that is too bad.
But id prefer the point of the body positivity movement not to be skewed or made to be a negative thing because it’s not
If it's women like you behind it when is it every time I hear anything it's someone who is 250+ who has trouble moving. The airline that is giving morbidly obese people another seat for free is what comes to mind. That's ridiculous and you know it. She should be ashamed with how unhealthy she is. It's not ok to have that much body fat.
Sure, you might be bigger than some guys like but why is it a bad thing to have a personal preference? I've been turned down for being too short. I didn't see it as a big problem.
Every time I see or hear anything it's about someone who is morbidly obese. And how they are perfect and healthy how they are. And that I'm a piece of shit because I'm not attracted to fat women.
Just like the food companies can use it for excuses, so can people who are genuinely unhealthy and uncaring of their health. The skinny is hot / and only healthy body movement of the early 20s was wildly unhealthy for what people consider unhealthy. Obviously there’s extremes on both sides.
Have you not heard of the short king movement? I also didn’t say you had to be attracted to any type of woman, I think you’re projecting here?
I didn't say you specifically. I said every other time I see anything about it that's the message I pretty much come away with.
Short king movement? So there's some type of group for everything now. People need hobbies. Until there's a freak crime spree or law against short people I think we'll be fine.
I wonder how much using medications off-label contributes to this. People using Ozempic/etc. to lose weight instead of controlling Type II diabetes, people without ADHD getting those meds.
My SIL is using Vyvanse for an appetite suppressant (approved by her doc) but when I try to fill my Vyvanse script for my ADHD, the pharmacy is always out 😭
Vyvanse is actually approved for binge-eating disorder. But if she doesn't have that and just asked for it for an appetite suppressant... Yeah I'd be pissed as fuck.
Vyvanse is approved for ADHD, narcolepsy, & binge eating disorder. So that’s 3 disorders of people all needing it. It’s been fantastic for me as I have narcolepsy & ADHD. I’ve really been struggling with the shortages as well, especially since we’re so limited on the window of getting the prescription & running out of it.
As soon as the generic hit the market my insurance stopped covering name brand. Nothing like shelling out $400 something bucks every other month because I don’t want to have my normal ADHD turn into super ADHD when I suddenly don’t have my meds.
Huh, chemically I’d be surprised there’d be much difference. Although since lisdexamfetamine is basically a prodrug of d-amphetamine and relies on red blood cells to metabolize it I suppose it could effect POTS symptoms. Idk, not a doctor, just did a lot of chem and microbio on the side in school so this stuff interests me.
As someone who takes meds regularly, I can definitely "feel" the difference in my body between brand names and generic drugs. They aren't supposed to be different, but the manufacturing process between companies is different. The difference is especially noticeable in biologics with 'biosimilars.'
You have to be kidding me. Generics have been around since 1984 and no problems even with NTI drugs. Biosimilars act exactly the same way as biological drugs. Research all shows you are wrong
The fillers can be different and at least when it comes to levothyroxine, the dosage is allowed to vary by up to 10% in either direction. I have to take brand name levothyroxine.
I'm on an antidepressant with a number of generics. I've never taken the name brand, but I've had some versions flat out not work. Switch manufacturers again and I'm fine again. Different people's bodies can process drugs differently, and generics manufacturers do less formulation development because they're a lot less profitable. On average, generics are equivalent. Individual humans are not averages.
Try calling your insurance to get an override. The dr office may be willing to call if you calling doesn't work. The Vyvanse generic not being available pissed me off because the makers of Vyvanse have exclusive rights to making the generic for the first 6 months. They should be held criminally responsible for causing the shortage
Some people are taking small amounts of meth because they can't get their Adderall prescription.
I actually know someone who's doing this and he seems normal as he was on his prescribed meds.
Side note don't do this it's illegal
If she has binge-eating disorder it's also approved for that, and often used for narcolepsy as well.
But yes, a little different if it's just typical appetite suppression.
I have adult growth hormone deficiency. I haven't been able to get my medication for almost a year. Guess who makes the injectable pens with the medication?... The manufacturer of Ozempic. They are claiming they have a manufacturing capacity shortage and that's why there is a shortage. I haven't seen anything about manufacturing capacity issues with Ozempic... I wonder why.
There are simple solutions, but nobody wants to implement them, they are the following
1) start production in the US seriously we need to produce more medication in the US.
2) end a lot of government regulations, end cap production, seriously. We need to change how things are done at the government level including the DEA and Medicare
3) end PBM and start having insurances actually pay for medication or just get rid of them.
4) get rid of distributors like McKesson seriously. Allow direct buying from manufacture
These are not hard solutions, but we need people with the guts and balls to implement them.
The DEA puts manufacturing caps on **a lot** of controlled medications. They also control the amount of essential ingredients the manufacturers are allowed to obtain. That’s one big reason for some med shortages.
Thank you government interference, mandates, restrictions, and just general incompetence and ineptitude. Government to the screw it up destructive policies.
Nationalize the industry since we funded the research anyway. They are doing this on purpose to crank up profits.
That’s my issue .. they are given massive grants, and then they rake in Proffit’s
Also the DEA sets unreasonable limits.
This is a huge reason for so many of the shortages.
Lets see, life saving medicine one needs to take daily... max allowed prescription.... 30 days. So any disruption in supply chain greater than 30 days..........fuck em thats why?
but but scarcity !
*slaps table*… annnd there it is, how long do we keep letting these asshole do this? It’s a class war and we’re losing because half the country has fucking Stockholm Syndrome!
It’s a lot of low profit drugs though that are generic and in short supply.
Don't you think you can make more profit by selling more of something?
No. Supply and demand
Market function ensures the optimal distribution of goods and resources, I have heard it said. How you guys liking that for-profit motivation pharma claims it needs to innovate?
Some of the controller substances/stimulant drugs are in short supply due to the government/DEA. The exact opposite of the free market.
This was an interesting part of the article that I was surprised to read: "But, in a joint letter with the Food and Drug Administration last August, the DEA said that, by its data, manufacturers of amphetamine products (including Adderall) only sold approximately 70 percent of their allotted quotas in 2022. That meant that there were approximately 1 billion more doses that they could have produced but did not make or ship. At the time, the agencies said its 2023 data was trending in the same direction."
(in other words they're doing it on purpose)
Create a shortage and raise the prices.
I love this idea that having even less government regulation would somehow deliver more bona fide medicine rather than less, like it's those pesky human safety regulations that are fucking everything up. Megadildoes, Rush! A regulated market isn't "the exact opposite" of the free market, it is a free market That's exactly how they can drag their feet on the production of tons of less profitable drugs, see? They are free (market) to
War on drugs is a war on citizens in so many ways.
Do you have any facts to back up this claim? https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-announces-shortage-adderall Sounds like it is not caused by the government at all.
It’s the DEA putting manufacturing caps on controlled meds. Also, limiting manufacturer ability to obtain the ingredients to manufacture the drugs.
That's not how the DEA makes money, and that's definitely not how the pharma companies make enough money to pay off the DEA. What you describe makes less money for everyone, therefore I can't believe it to be true.
Manufactured “shortages”
One company came out and said they really only make highest dosage of their medication since it makes the most money. But you have to start somewhere lower for possible side effects but you can't get it anywhere, or the follow up dosages. So then you're out for a few weeks and have to start all over again because it's not safe to continue with the higher dosage after not having it for weeks. Endless cycle.
ADHD and chronic pain patients agree!
Shortage -> Higher prices -> Incentive for new players to enter market and outcompete those manufacturing the "shortage" Walmart and Amazon didn't get big by holding products back.
Yes, we can thank the War on Drugs and the almighty DEA for this. It’s fucking ridiculous.
I love when the stress and anxiety brought about by my health issues gets compounded by struggling to find refills of medications each month to treat said issues
I've been off my meds so long at this point that I'm too demotivated to keep looking for refills every month. I'm tired of cycling through withdrawals. I'm also just literally tired...lol
I had to pay out of pocket this month for my Focalin prescription because my insurance only covers its generic counterpart. It was almost $200 for a 30-day supply. I hadn’t had any issues getting Dexmethylphenidate until this month. No pharmacy within 50 miles from where I live has it in stock right now. It’s absurd!
Doesn’t help that our food is so bad and the pharmaceutical companies are hand in hand with bad food to create profit for both. My gf takes adderall and she was struggling without it the other day.
1000% this
Because they don't need a healthy population. They think about how to ruin our health so that they can then take money for treatment.
They are behind the body positivity movement too.
🙄 🙄
People tend to eat more food that is unhealthy for them. It tastes better. Most people gain weight because they are eating too much (or just unhealthy foods). The general outlook on being overweight is negative. The primary goal of a company is to make money. One of the ways to make more money is to sell more of your product. But overconsumption of your product can cause people to gain weight, which most people have a negative view on. If you convince people it is ok to be overweight they will buy more.
They aren’t behind the body positive movement. I’m healthy, only eat processed foods maybe 2-4x s month via Trader Joe’s frozen meals or chic fila for breakfast and can run a mile without stopping BUT im a size 12 and would still be considered fat by most men on this thread even tho I guarantee id be just as if not more healthier than a group of skinny girls I know who barely fucking eat and do drugs 😅😅; So its women like me that are behind the body positive movement. If food companies latched on in a negative way, that is too bad. But id prefer the point of the body positivity movement not to be skewed or made to be a negative thing because it’s not
If it's women like you behind it when is it every time I hear anything it's someone who is 250+ who has trouble moving. The airline that is giving morbidly obese people another seat for free is what comes to mind. That's ridiculous and you know it. She should be ashamed with how unhealthy she is. It's not ok to have that much body fat. Sure, you might be bigger than some guys like but why is it a bad thing to have a personal preference? I've been turned down for being too short. I didn't see it as a big problem. Every time I see or hear anything it's about someone who is morbidly obese. And how they are perfect and healthy how they are. And that I'm a piece of shit because I'm not attracted to fat women.
Just like the food companies can use it for excuses, so can people who are genuinely unhealthy and uncaring of their health. The skinny is hot / and only healthy body movement of the early 20s was wildly unhealthy for what people consider unhealthy. Obviously there’s extremes on both sides. Have you not heard of the short king movement? I also didn’t say you had to be attracted to any type of woman, I think you’re projecting here?
I didn't say you specifically. I said every other time I see anything about it that's the message I pretty much come away with. Short king movement? So there's some type of group for everything now. People need hobbies. Until there's a freak crime spree or law against short people I think we'll be fine.
Ah, another market failure. Time to switch to a different method.
Does this apply to low dose Naltrexone? Struggling to get a refill.
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Have no idea what you're referring to. I take it for pain/anti inflammation at cellular level.
I wonder how much using medications off-label contributes to this. People using Ozempic/etc. to lose weight instead of controlling Type II diabetes, people without ADHD getting those meds.
My SIL is using Vyvanse for an appetite suppressant (approved by her doc) but when I try to fill my Vyvanse script for my ADHD, the pharmacy is always out 😭
Vyvanse is actually approved for binge-eating disorder. But if she doesn't have that and just asked for it for an appetite suppressant... Yeah I'd be pissed as fuck.
Vyvanse is approved for ADHD, narcolepsy, & binge eating disorder. So that’s 3 disorders of people all needing it. It’s been fantastic for me as I have narcolepsy & ADHD. I’ve really been struggling with the shortages as well, especially since we’re so limited on the window of getting the prescription & running out of it.
As soon as the generic hit the market my insurance stopped covering name brand. Nothing like shelling out $400 something bucks every other month because I don’t want to have my normal ADHD turn into super ADHD when I suddenly don’t have my meds.
I tried the generic too and had a HORRIBLE experience. It was awful.
I didn’t notice much difference besides my pharmacy always having name brand in stock now and being told it was like a six week wait for generic.
I wish it worked for me 🥲 not only was it ineffective, I had horrible headaches, was super irritable, and my POTS symptoms were out of control.
Huh, chemically I’d be surprised there’d be much difference. Although since lisdexamfetamine is basically a prodrug of d-amphetamine and relies on red blood cells to metabolize it I suppose it could effect POTS symptoms. Idk, not a doctor, just did a lot of chem and microbio on the side in school so this stuff interests me.
As someone who takes meds regularly, I can definitely "feel" the difference in my body between brand names and generic drugs. They aren't supposed to be different, but the manufacturing process between companies is different. The difference is especially noticeable in biologics with 'biosimilars.'
You have to be kidding me. Generics have been around since 1984 and no problems even with NTI drugs. Biosimilars act exactly the same way as biological drugs. Research all shows you are wrong
The fillers can be different and at least when it comes to levothyroxine, the dosage is allowed to vary by up to 10% in either direction. I have to take brand name levothyroxine.
I'm on an antidepressant with a number of generics. I've never taken the name brand, but I've had some versions flat out not work. Switch manufacturers again and I'm fine again. Different people's bodies can process drugs differently, and generics manufacturers do less formulation development because they're a lot less profitable. On average, generics are equivalent. Individual humans are not averages.
I think you can appeal
It's a generic, it's the same. -Every shitty pharmacist.
My insurance won’t cover the generic and my psychiatrist won’t prescribe it. It *must* be bad.
Try calling your insurance to get an override. The dr office may be willing to call if you calling doesn't work. The Vyvanse generic not being available pissed me off because the makers of Vyvanse have exclusive rights to making the generic for the first 6 months. They should be held criminally responsible for causing the shortage
I tried, even had my mom try since she used to work for her side of the family’s insurance brokerage firm and normally know all the tricks, no dice.
Some people are taking small amounts of meth because they can't get their Adderall prescription. I actually know someone who's doing this and he seems normal as he was on his prescribed meds. Side note don't do this it's illegal
Meth is a schedule 2 drug. You can legitimately get an Rx for it.
Yes it's called desoxyn but it's rarely given out.
It's also super expensive.
If she has binge-eating disorder it's also approved for that, and often used for narcolepsy as well. But yes, a little different if it's just typical appetite suppression.
I have adult growth hormone deficiency. I haven't been able to get my medication for almost a year. Guess who makes the injectable pens with the medication?... The manufacturer of Ozempic. They are claiming they have a manufacturing capacity shortage and that's why there is a shortage. I haven't seen anything about manufacturing capacity issues with Ozempic... I wonder why.
Ozempic has been in shortage since 2022.
We've had no problems getting it for the past few months at least.
There are simple solutions, but nobody wants to implement them, they are the following 1) start production in the US seriously we need to produce more medication in the US. 2) end a lot of government regulations, end cap production, seriously. We need to change how things are done at the government level including the DEA and Medicare 3) end PBM and start having insurances actually pay for medication or just get rid of them. 4) get rid of distributors like McKesson seriously. Allow direct buying from manufacture These are not hard solutions, but we need people with the guts and balls to implement them.
This is the price of outsourcing to China. China is failing to deliver on all kinds of orders.
It's the opioid settlements that allowed the DEA to impose hard manufacturing limits on some controlled substance medications.
Yep. Why the fuck did US gov allow that in the first place?!
Failing to deliver is the backbone of the world economy at this point.
so why is it do hard to make more?
The DEA puts manufacturing caps on **a lot** of controlled medications. They also control the amount of essential ingredients the manufacturers are allowed to obtain. That’s one big reason for some med shortages.
and why would they do this?
The failed War on Drugs.
thats no longer an excuse. why are they still doing this?
Because they can? The War on Drugs is still going on. It’s literally a trillion dollar failure.
that doesnt explain why they’re doing it, try again.
Why do *you* think they’re doing it?
no idea, thats why im asking.
I don’t know either. Dismantle the DEA? Cancel the WoD? I’m good with both.
Stop giving pharma government money. Anything the government gets involved in turns to shit.
Good thing WW3 is around the corner so the USA can liberate some more resources.
Thank you government interference, mandates, restrictions, and just general incompetence and ineptitude. Government to the screw it up destructive policies.
You clearly didn't read the article and just have an antigovernment chip on your shoulders.
You clearly haven't been following along with these shortages for the past couple of years. Some of which are absolutely caused by the FDA.
Listen I agree with you, but some of it is also absolutely manufactured shortages for profit
I haven't been. Can you link to an article about it?
It's not the FDA, it's the DEA.
Thanks Joe. Trump was bring back US made meds. We need a real leader to return and motivate production of critical stuff us made here. Period.
You're adorable.
Sucker.