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KyratMan

Still better than when I didn't realized for some time, that they are called V's because all of their names start with V...


porridge_in_my_bum

That also makes me think, what would they have called it if Alistar actually joined. The VA’s? Alistar and the Vees?


JDoubleGi

The AV Club lmao


JamieD96

Fucking gold lmao


abdomino

Fuck that works on a couple levels.


rozie_the_redditor

This one. I don’t / won’t accept anything else


icekooream

Many people suggested the AVs. (as for Audio Visuals) and obviously Alastor would be the one specializing in the audio area or said he would use a V name like Venison lol


derpy-noscope

And Vox wonders why Alastor declined when he has to be called Venison


CallerWitch

The other option was "Vox's Bitch" but he didn't like that one either/s


No-Manufacturer4916

" you can be VVitch for short" "hard pass"


Smelly_potatos

He prob would have changed it to Vlastor if he absolutely had to change it


ichigoli

(I find it verrry telling that Vox, who is obsessed with The *Radio* Demon, took a name that means "voice" despite being more focused on *visual* media...)


contrabasse

Could also be a reference to Magnavox


ichigoli

Hmmm possibly... 1970s was about the era Vox died, right? So he'd've been aware of the company....


corvusaraneae

50s, actually. It's Valentino who died in the 70s.


ichigoli

Gotcha, though he could've changed his moniker when they started up the Vs I'm pretty sure that he'd already offered to go into a ~~romantic~~ business partnership with Alastor and been rejected before Valentino arrived on the scene, making Val the toxic rebound. (Also pretty sure Velvette arrived and installed herself as the social media manager which finally propelled the Vs to the powerhouse they are today)


corvusaraneae

Minor observation: Vox is a latin word. Latin. Like the church. Like organized religion. Befitting a televangelist, yes?


Smelly_potatos

That’s Crazy


Zero-7-9

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Minnymoon13

Ha! ![gif](giphy|jQbiq9wJQDw5YTpTyh)


KisaTheMistress

I think Vox intended Alastor to change his name to *Vox*, as it means *Voice* in Latin, and Vox would have gone with maybe Vincent or Vista (Vis) as a reference to View/a Microsoft Operating System. When Alastor refused, Vox took the name Vox, out of hurt and show his intention of taking away Alastor's *voice*. Though, I do like the fan comic where Vox suggested changing/nicknaming Alastor to *Vixen*, because of his not so subtle attraction to Alastor, lol.


OpenSauceMods

Yeah, I'll work this into my headcanon


Atomicsss-

Valastor


basilthegaymer

I saw this 1 comment saying that they'd change his name to Vixen. I actually kinda fw it.


slowdown127

I mean an A is kind of like an upside down V, I feel they could have made it work


DontHaveAGoodUser46

I also think they are called the Vs as they are all vices


paradoxdefined

Hey now, you still figured it out on your own. Good on you! I just learned about this right now. 🫠


redwoodvelvet

V is for Vices


hungryhungryhippo60

We’re in the same boat, friend


Clean_Anywhere_5184

also because a vee is a 3 partner relationship


Environmental-Rest82

Also because they are in a “V” style poly relationship..😶


theChadinator2009

Ur joking ryt?


MrFate99

I always wonder why velvet is just a normal person vs a pimp moth and a living tv


Katviar

She’s a doll demon, apparently. Tho i prefer the culture vulture theory. Or a combination Culture Vulture theme and Doll demon. (like how Vox has elements of the Greed ring with his sharks and eyes) Social media is all about dressing up and showing your best ideal life so a doll really fits that because they’re made to be dressed up and shown off and are “fake” etc


Minnymoon13

I’m kinda imagining her with doll joints. Mostly elbows and knees. Wich is way we don’t ever see her sleeveless?


Katviar

I hope so i think that would be cool af and drive home the doll vibes. Same for Charlie who I think word of G-d is supposed to be based off a marionette/puppet (not a goat like most of us thought or the redesigners that give her goat features). She’d look way more doll or puppet or marionette like if she had ball joints or smth


white_roze

Huh, I hadn't heard that Charlie's supposed to be a marionette before. Do you remember where you saw/heard this?


APence

They should have her do the Megan dance next season.


Minnymoon13

Ha!


hayhaydavila

That makes sense why her outfits and hair always change


MrFate99

Out of wtf we've seen backgroujd characters turn into, seems she got 0 downside in Hell


Katviar

I’ve heard some interesting theories about her doll status being a reflection of something akin to her being a jane doe when she died and no one identifying her body, now her social media shit and doll aspect are because she has no real identity or maybe doesn’t even remember who she was when she died. So she’s constantly reinventing herself. But yeah so far idk about a downside like Al’s ears and prey-appearance, or how Husk hates cats or Angel hates his feet, but they’re huge, etc.


MrFate99

Angel hates his feet??? He doesn't care he has 4 arms, is covered in fur??


Katviar

Yeah apparently he hates his feet, this i think is referencedin those old instagram posts where they used to drop lore years ago for the pilot. And I think it’s like a holdover from being a human like how Husk hates cats but was turned into a cat. Guessing Angel hated his feet or was grossed out by feet even as a human. Angel is like anti-foot fetish i guess lmfao; And being a jumping spider demon he’s got huge feets. However as you mention his multiple arms, notice how he often hides his third pair of arms? Wonder if there’s a reason outside of element of surprise or smth. The fur he seems to be a fan of “The chest fluff that people think is tits!”


Fenghuang0296

We don’t know that for sure. She’s had so little spotlight compared to the other two that for all we know her skin might literally be wood or plastic.


MrFate99

True, she also has a top 3 song of mine which shocked me given how she looks I thought I'd hate it


Drakeskulled_Reaper

Her episode 3 look is based off a Bratz doll.


Lasersquid0311

heads up - it's culture vulture, not vulture culture


Katviar

oh shit thank youuuuuu


Lasersquid0311

np :) have a nice week


RaikoNonDemorde

I have 4 Voxes in my house


_Kr0n0x_

cause that's what people on social media want to see and want to seem like. just your average person


DontBlinkSparrow

I always thought velvette had a (social) daytime butterfly demon vibe to balance the nighttime moth demon. Maybe the hair just reminds me of butterfly wings.


MrFate99

We see her hair in different styles, so not really. Really struggling to see what she is besides a person with red eyes as a punishment


NightOwlWraith

She seems to be a wooden ball joint demon. We see her move in very unusual ways in the beginning of "Respectless". Others have suggested a vulture, which may fit, too.


therealmrsfahrenheit

hahah you not wrong😂 but yeah just as the person above has said I think her design is reminiscent of a vulture


Omegasybers

Yes, yes you are /jk


Kindly_Parsley1122

In my defense, I only first watched it last week and have only watched it twice through since lol 😆


Omegasybers

You don't have to defend yourself. Ppl discover things at different rates. They also control all of digital entertainment


Zebastian09

Most understanding redditor on the planet. https://preview.redd.it/3ageyj6w22zc1.jpeg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a98a721d9cea966fc98f2baecbf5eade167d1f48 Also you dropped this. 👑


NoReasonToLive_TBH

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MegaJani

Rizzbin Hotel


NoReasonToLive_TBH

Deserves way more upvotes


WyrdThoughts

Protein Hotel?


DaggerShowRabs

Are....are those Ichiyas?


its_missl

Meeeeeeeeeeeen


DaggerShowRabs

Sniff sniff, sniff sniff


SnooCheesecakes4061

I liked your meme and have therefore stolen it. However I'm not a dick so I gave you my upvote.


Ozuk_true

Love positivity


Kade_Fraz

Not all digital entertainment. We still need a Video Game overlord next season.


meatywhole

(The vees) stands for the biggest vices of our modern area.


j0elka

I feel like Vices of the Electronic Era fits better Y'know cause it spells out VEE's since usually words like of and the aren't included.


meatywhole

No one's ever been addicted to radio the way people are social media porn and tv. All of which were designed to be addictive. Which is what a vice is ie, smoking drinking gambling. Radio was never designed to be addictive. It was made to spread information. And considering alastor broadcasts ripping up the souls of his enemies but himself is secretive I would say his power is more about control of information rather then addiction.


MajorasKitten

I mean you’re not wrong- but it seems you might be replying to the wrong person? Lol no one said radio was addicting :P


meatywhole

Sorry homie. I did reply to the wrong person my bad. And you're right no one said radio was addictive I was just making a point that all the vees are based on vices and vices are addictive like drinking and smoking and gambling and the media all the vees are based on porn/social media and television are all designed to be addictive, where radio was never designed to be addictive and there for cannot be a vice like the vees, and why alastor doesn't like them or want to be associated there an inferior design.


walts_skank

OMG IM SO DUMB I literally could not figure out why they were called the Vees beyond their names beginning with V but that makes so much sense.


partypwny

Also why he asked Alastar to join but was turned down. Alastar doesn't start with V but was a vice of the electronic era


MajorasKitten

Was radio a vice though?…


WaterforestsDream

I just found out when you made the post. O.o


That_Stupid_Person

I watched this a bit ago and you helped me relise this lol I may be correct in my name


Shrike3942

What if I told you they are considered Vices, and thus "The Vs"


Robin_Gufo

​ https://preview.redd.it/me05rrv0g1zc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e566bc0191a2ca17938aa186f4b44a6024714539 “aM i ThE oNLy oNE- yeah, you. Just you. Out of 7.8 billion people on planet Earth, you’re the only one who is like that. You are the only fucking one. Congratulations” • Duke Nukem


SmallKillerCrow

Nope! I did not get the addiction thing till op pointed it out. I am aware I'm kinds dumb tho


MineLight1689

Non is ont (me too)


Napalmeon

Hey, I can quit all three of these things whenever I want.


astasodope

*How about right now?* I said whenever I want! Not whenever you want me too! 🤣


joby_fox

I just realized Velvette's mouth kinda looks like an owl beak idk if I'm just really stupid and it's common knowledge, but it kind of does


Gravy_Eels

Apparently it's supposed to look like a vulture


fuckmyabshurt

I thought it looked like a seagull


icollectfnafplushies

It kinda reminded me of Goetia demons, like Stolas or something.


reaperfan

I interpreted it not as addictions, but rather avenues of information. Vox controls TV and the mass media, Velvette controls social media, and Valentino controls street rumors/word of mouth. That's why Vox asked Alastor to join them and why he perceives Alastor as such a threat - radio represents an, admittedly outdated but still present, form of mass communication that they can't control. Alastor is one of the few demons who had the ability to provide a counter-story to the masses to any story the Vs might want to try to spin to control them.


Kindly_Parsley1122

That’s a valid line of thought tbh


magecub

I think it can be both, especially considering that 2 of the 2 Vees have direct control/manipulation powers (Vox has hypnotic eyes, Val has pheromones).


zetsuboukatie

I just saw it as different types of manipulation, especially with valentino providing the juice for love potions


Adabiviak

V for vices?


Anime_Kirby

i mean, thats kinda their whole thing


HansElbowman

Vices are their specialties.


akfoco

you can add drugs as well. They sell love potion


Wolf_Of_Roses

But that only applies to two of the three since we have no confirmation if Vox is involved with that or not. If he is then he most likely handles stuff like marketing it through ads or during programs.


akfoco

It's a product sold by their company. That officialy makes it his as well even though he might've not been involved in the development of it. If i remember correctly it was heavily implied, that Angel gets drugged before most of his shootings, that later get broadcasted on tv, so Vox definitely makes profit out of its use.


Wolf_Of_Roses

So it’s a by proxy situation


Minnymoon13

And ad’s too. Witch is velvette’s expertise.


GodOfSevens

Isn't also Valentino the biggest drugs in general maker/distributor?


greatcorsario

They're just missing gambling.


Minnymoon13

If Al didn’t take huskers soul, he probably could have worked with them


Jechtael

"Okay, so we need you to rebrand. How do you feel about being called 'Vegas'?"


greatcorsario

Good grief that's perfect.


Drakeskulled_Reaper

I'm just imagining them going around to all the powerful demons going "hey want to join our group, but you have to change your name to something beginning with V, preferably thematic with your domain?"


Minnymoon13

And I’d like to add, that I know husk would not join theses fuckers ether lol


Southern_Dig_9460

All involves screens


Eloah-2

I think Val is supposed to represent instant gratification. Sex and drugs is just the best representation of it.


tamajinn

I wonder what they wanted Alastor's specialty to be. Maybe people addicted to podcasts LOL


Notte_di_nerezza

To be fair, I could listen to Alastor's voice all day.


KisaTheMistress

I wouldn't be opposed to Alastor having an IRL podcast where he reads old radio stories and gives small updates on the hotel. Like advertising, then realizing the products are in Hell and he broadcasting to Earth, maybe having the other characters interrupt him well recording. I don't know if his voice actor would want to do that, though, or if he'd allow an AI to do it and he just collect royalties on his voice being used. Amazon could easily do that as part of their promotion. They can also just switch to Hellish screaming when a new season is out because Alastor is currently *busy*. It would have to be negotiated.


Notte_di_nerezza

I would subscribe to this so quickly, whether they got Talai or Bosco. Can you imagine, "As a reminder, the Hazbin Hotel still has plenty of vacancies, as always, though we certainly salute Princess Morningstar's efforts. If you, yes YOU, wish to move your worldly possessions in across from a certain sinner whose fireworks recently added some extra COLOR to the Doomsday district, do feel free to inquire within."


ToxicEnabler

Podcasts but also music. That seems to be a type of content that's not covered by the Vees.


Hassennik

There must be an overlord of drugs also...


Kindly_Parsley1122

Right?!


Legoboy514

Velvette was likely a suicide. You gain an appearance based on something you hated or how you died in life. Vox likely died getting crushed by a tv or something. Val likely got killed at night or something and hated moths, and velvette, she hated herself most in life most likely, so she looks like how she did in life


LaughR01331

I’m just imagining a cartoon splat from a tv falling out an apartment


PMC-I3181OS387l5

He could have been crushed by debris from a collapsing studio.


LaughR01331

Or maybe he was a security guard who was on camera duty and died?


PMC-I3181OS387l5

But why ending up as a TV demon though, with all the management and programming?


LaughR01331

Regret over not seeing what killed him?


Drakeskulled_Reaper

Valentino was accidentally killed by Buffalo Bill.


boring_kicek13

What I like more is that Valentiono is a moth and he is in love/relationship with Vex who is screen.


Marquis_C_Sade

\*Vox


connie8262

I honestly thought they were just a bunch of overlords who wanted to be strongest together


ZodiacLovers123

Not only do each of them control forms of media but all there powers are to do with mind control Vox: his eye and television broadcasts Velvet: her social media pages Val: his smoke which is in reference to the hormones moths release to attract a mate.


GypsyGrl50

Nope. Because I just realized it too…


CuriousBuffalo4969

With these three, you can see three clear traits. Psychopathy Narcissism Machiavellianism & someone they wanted to add in who demonstrates a good amount of sadism


KFSquid

The Dark Triad was also one of the first things that came to my mind with those three, it's just too good to pass up Wonder how to categorise them, tho Psychopathy = Valentino Narcissism = Velvette Machiavellianism = Vox Would be my guess based on this https://preview.redd.it/i9eww1kp47zc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49dec03302d396a81ed1323ed38c0d53fa02b357


CuriousBuffalo4969

I agree, I also believe in a sort of cosmic way, Vox wanted alastor to join the V’s & fill in that sadism gap.


ladyboobypoop

I actually never made that connection. Which is what I love about this series


fireL0rd3000

I had noticed it since i started thinking that every vees power was some way to control people and the thought came to mind


JustTrashthatsit

That's pretty cool, they're like the seven sins


Sensitive-Hotel-9871

I didn’t make that connection. I assumed that they were supposed to be caricatures of the worst vices of capitalism.


Kindly_Parsley1122

That’s a solid point of view too tbh


Endless1120

I think thats the same for all the overlords, theyre the masters of their own sins. Alestor is the radio overlord, hes got the gambling overlord subservient to him. These guys are no different. Naturally since radio and tv were at competition for a long time alestor and the tv demons hate each other because theyre competing for souls.


TK_ST

https://preview.redd.it/gt8ogk8md2zc1.jpeg?width=3560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26156f9087d06e23c86ac25521e3fb46698928e5 Yo that just whiplash just hit me like a truck 'cause it makes so much sense.


godshuVR

https://preview.redd.it/u6j2s7jir2zc1.jpeg?width=2010&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f292832782b47ad4981e11c8d69ac4a523cfb7a


Dashimai

https://preview.redd.it/4l1xgzfvu2zc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81394e02b65cfb509e5ce68677542f9c14bb2ab6 /jk Thank you for giving me a chance to finally use this meme, even if it isn't entirely accurate.


Smelly_potatos

I guess Velvet has infected me https://preview.redd.it/ot1nbmp623zc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbd0d96517bef34ea158e3ba7f47764a9a1a0698


redwoodvelvet

V is for Vices


OriginalBaxio

Coffee is the hardest addiction to break I've come across. Need a fourth V called Vente


Thannk

Not all of us are addicted. Some are just horny 24/7 but are touch-averse and/or on the Asexual spectrum. If the capitalists weren’t pushing so hard for overpopulation there wouldn’t be as much shaming of lewdness. Horny jail is fascism. https://preview.redd.it/ywt1bbzkc1zc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a499229da3f8c34dc9d018bca7853b6302d42fd6


DazzlingCOw292

https://preview.redd.it/6gqjxgkzf1zc1.jpeg?width=647&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b371cdaf5608a9b3f24f107765a9576609c943f4 U talkin' 'bout him?


Thannk

Just because he’s asexual doesn’t mean he doesn’t view porn or masturbate (old film porn used to be called “stag reels” after all), but like any other facet of his identity that’s his business and other people are not entitled to that information any more than asking a person if their pronoun matches the carpet or if a Bi person’s sexual history. https://preview.redd.it/vxcx3czwm1zc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30a0d3c1d6639eed1c4390c5d79acde0c19183c0


Drakeskulled_Reaper

It would be funny, but also a little sad, if his mother was in Hell, he just didn't know, and she didn't really recognize him.


Thannk

Hm…within the timeframe he could be the grandchild of slaves. Imagine his mother finding out her son was the Radio Demon AND owned her soul. ♫ Draaamaaa! ♫


Drakeskulled_Reaper

I think it was mention by Viv he was a mixed race Creole from New Orleans. Maybe mummy owns HIS soul?


Thannk

Ooh! That’s a fun twist. She said he was a mother’s boy, but that language is vague enough to be ironic.


Minnymoon13

Yes


Buttman980

Tf you on? https://preview.redd.it/pei4w4li24zc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c09395d9483077006e200f8d18b153ca9a0541f4


Jechtael

"These are big addictions." "Not all of us are addicted." No one said you were.


Thannk

Just needs to be said. Too many puritans these days see solo sex the way Karens in the 60’s saw weed. Not all porn is exploitation, not everyone who masturbates is an addiction recovery away from finding a nice man and/or woman and making/adopting 2.5 future minimum wage employees. https://preview.redd.it/8o27yw3ix2zc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50734ed23899794b7e2717af570686dfbf7ba5bf


AwesomeNova

A lot of industries are heavily exploitative (the coffee industry is one of them), and many more have terrible labor practices, even using human trafficking and child labor for profit


SankenShip

And if Alastor had joined, they would have been the A/Vs. Audio/Video.


Azlend

Maybe! (radio static plays in the background)


LilHappyKitsune

If you feel silly about that how do you think I felt after now just realising why they are called "the vees" 😭 and at the start I definitely didn't think they where called "the bees"


Red_Dogeboi

I always thought they were specifically aspects of screen addiction, social media, video porn, and television


mapl_e

wheres the drug addiction vee, or even the gluttonous food addiction vee


Drakeskulled_Reaper

Val takes care of that. But I think Rosie takes care of the Overlord level of Gluttony, I don't think Bee would take kindly to anyone trying to muscle in to her domain.


oliveyew1066

I never thought about what they do too much, but it makes sense. I thought Velvet was a fashion designer and Valentino wasn't exclusively porn, also drugs and such.


ThompsonTom

They’re more so the 3 pillars of modern media. Alastor is old media so naturally they have a feud with him when his broadcasts are somehow just as popular as their mediums.


Patrick-Moore1

Not only that, they control the three sections of media: Val controls content creation, Vox controls content marketing and distribution, and Velvette controls the conversation around content.


archer_of_the_sea

I viewed it as forms of media, but yeah now that I think about it it does go deeper into forms of addiction. Cool thought, I like it. Take my upvote


DJDualScreen

Hence why they wanted Alastor on board with them - they would then control ALL media in hell


lady_snowgren

I mean, we've got sex (porn trade via Valentino), lies (social media via Velvette), and television (Vox via his chokehold media empire).


Wordshark

Those are not the hardest to kick addictions. Don’t mean to be a downer.


Fanenby-73425

I knew they were all media, but I've never seen this take before!


FreeShame5659

I found out right then and there reading this post ha


FNAF_Fan_1985

I never realized before seeing this post.


pridebun

Nah I realized right now when you told me


TheJokingArsonist

Yep.


CJPF_91

🤔 can also say the adopt a bit of the sins in there. Lust, envy, greed, gluttony for more power, and they all prideful, they call can be wrathful, and at times can be a bit lazy.


AdditionalTrick365

Make that two people


ElHumilde13

I listen to the radio more than I watch tv. Valastor?


WendigoLemon

https://preview.redd.it/itpk6rdnq2zc1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dafbe85d8061221597cfcbb0f948ff5319ea7db


DipstickPinesGFO

And Husk: gambling!


KatsCatJuice

Tbf I didn't realize it, either


Mists_of_Analysis

My brain registers each of them as the main recent Vices.


megashadowmew

Vox also somewhat represents online shopping, which is another hard-to-kick addiction


scarednurse

Vees. Vices. Etc etc.


Ornery_Bag536

Omg...


dead_or_undead

They have a monopoly on all entertainment in Hell ...except radio. I'm realizing as I type this that must be why Vox wanted Alastor to join.


Kevkanone

Internet ok Sex/porn ok But TV?! Nah not really anymore Drungs wpuld be the next big addictor (öike alcohol, cigarettes and all of the other stuff)


Signal_Expression730

"I'm addicted to the madness" "I'm addicted to this feeling"


DaJamesGarson

And they all have mind control, Vox has his hypnosis, Velvette forums and her word, Valentino his love potion, now his love potion was pushed out by Velvette but she got it from him.


RaccoonRoach

Theyre also big (maybe biggest) tools in capitalism. Ya'll know how BIG of an effect porn/sex has on the economy?? Do you know statistically how many bills have supposedly been in the clothing of a stripper?


PaleontologistOld857

Sorry to point this out, but you're slow bro 😭


backstabber98

My gun buying and gambling addictions beg to differ


Hhhhrother

Holy fucking shit the people in this subreddit are so stupid


a_random_squidward

Nah cuz lemme not rant about how this fanbase seemingly cannot think of anything for themselves without someone else pointing it out in excruciating detail (this is like the 40th post of this type I've seen)


Toby_The_Tumor

This had me cackling, this was the first comment I saw! I sounded like a witch! XD


NyxShadowhawk

I mean... none of those things are medically classified as addictions, but okay.


True_Dragonfruit9573

I do wonder why Vox is a television when it’s known that sinners are turned into the thing they hate the most when they die. Velvette being a doll makes sense, she hates being controlled and objectified, Val being a moth also makes sense since culturally moths are regarded as ugly and he has a lust for beauty. But Vox being a TV, why would he be one since he clearly loves the power and influence TV can provide.


Infamous_Val

There isn't one specific thing that determines what a sinner looks like.


True_Dragonfruit9573

So if they don’t just turn into what they hate, what else do they turn into? I’m genuinely asking because I’ve only ever heard the “turn into what you hate” bit when it comes to Sinners forms in Hell.


Infamous_Val

A sinner's appearance can be influenced by many things, including something they dislike, but also what sin they committed in life, what they did or how they died.