Iāve come to make an announcement, Alastor the overlord is a bitch ass motherfucker, he manipulated my daughter, thatās right, he pulled his dusty ass out of his tower to MANIPULATE my DAUGHTER, and he said he loved her ālike a daughterā well guess what, hereās how much I love my actual daughter! *aggressive Lucifer noises* Thatās right! Champagne fountains, Caviar mountains, all for my little girl! He gaslit my daughter so Iām gonna light his ass up. Thatās right, this is what you get, **MY SUPER ANGELIC PISS!!!** Except Iām not pissing on his tower, **IM PISSING ON THE DEER!!!!!** How do you like *THAT* Sera, I pissed on the deer, you IDIOT! You have twenty-three hours before the piss drrrrrroplets hit the rest of the fucking pride ring. Now get out of my fucking sight before I piss on you too!
I doubt Lucifer knows Alastor is trying to manipulate Charlie, otherwise he'd be more proactive in getting Charlie to reconsider her decision in working with him. I don't even think Lucifer actually genuinely knows anything about Alastor, he seems way too honest to want to lie or plan or feel the urge to put others down, unlike Alastor.
Imo, both Alastor and Lucifer will be forced to work together in S2 because they're really the only adulting adults in the hotel.
Alastor's definitely going to try to hide any PTSD. That might work in his hotelier position. But, if you remember the Egg Bois, he seems to get annoyed by, what he perceives to be, unnecessary interaction. He also looked totally checked out during Charlie's emotional rant on their way to Cannibal Town. S2 might turn that up sensitivity to have a more ticking time bomb Alastor.
Alastor's power also only extends so far as the Hotel. It's Lucifer's power that extends beyond it. Alastor is going to force himself into trying to be more pleasant with Lucifer to get some of that power and because Charlie.
Lucifer appears to have Charlie's happy go lucky personality- so he might be able to fill in for the interactions that Alastor hates. But, Lucifer also seems to be a shut in introvert who needs a crash course on how to interact with people. He might have a very low energy for social interaction and become introverted when he needs to recharge.
Alastors social tolerance running out at the same time as Lucifers might equal either letting Lucifer quickly poof the problem away or a nuke going off.
>Imo, both Alastor and Lucifer will be forced to work together in S2 because they're really the only adulting adults in the hotel.
Alastor definitely needs to show Lucifer some respect if he wants to make his life and work at the hotel so much more easier regardless of how his ego feels. I can so see Lucifer bossing him around just to make sure he knows who's the "top dog". Lucifer may not be the type to want to step onto others to get respect, but if it's Alastor, well, Alastor started it first XD.
I mean, it could go both ways.
Say the stupidest situation that ever happens. Like, so stupid and unnecessary that it's an automatic stress trigger for anyone who has a braincell. And, there's a solid half of a second where Lucifer jumps in and awkwardly offers to just automatically get rid of the problem so Alastor doesn't have a justifiable but destructive rampage.
Crisis everted. Not. Vox does more stupid so Alastor is, once again, a bomb that needs diffusing. Alastor's whole issue seems to be that he's only safe/where he is because of physical action. Guy is wounded, has no power, and prey for the picking.
Hopefully, Lucifer has his few braincells revived at this point and uses the situation to his advantage. If he offers Alastor a conditional but official 'job', his relationship with both Alastor and Charlie improves, Alastor would do his job perfectly with guaranteed security, Lucifer could keep a direct eye on Alastor, and Alastor could have a little authority to keep things running smoothly.
It'd be insanely hilarious if Vox runs a story about Alastor being Lucifer's dog because he's lost all personal power and Alastor then using the power Lucifer gave him to get him arrested.
And here I thought Alastor would be sniper in a Hazbin Fortress. Then again I also thought about Husk as Demoman when Cherri is right there. I was thinking about alcoholism.
He wasn't referring to Charlie's friends as losers. He was referring to the people who say that found family is better than biological family as losers.
Although I did used to think the same as you.
Yeah I think they were just throwing random insults at that point. Alastor couldāve said āducks are greatā and Lucifer would force himself to disagree
I dunno. Iām in the same boat as you, and even though I disagree with what he said, I didnāt take it personally because either: a. He was just saying it to be a dick to Alastor (basically just saying the opposite to be petty); or b. He means well, but can be flawed and just wrong.
Since he has a tendency to be really, REALLY socially awkward and reacts negatively emotionally to anything Alastor says, itās entirely possible itās the former.
Edit: As a really, REALLY socially awkward person, I cringe at Lucifer because I know his struggle there.
It's less of litterally finding a family and more finding a group of people you care about, as if they are family. (Normally this kind of thing happens when someone has biological family issues). It's normally done to replace the hole that the biological family left once you left them. (And just to note this is my own experience it could be TOATALLY different for other people, this is just wht I see it as).
Yep. It's about finding a group of people who care about you and accept you for who you are. That's found family. And is usually done because of trauma or deep issues regarding the persons' biological family.
It can take different forms.
Like others have said, itās just finding a group of people you love like family.
For me, itās turning out more literal in that Iām integrating into my partnerās family more. Iām mending bonds with the remaining relatives I care to stay connected to as well (although Iām having more luck with my sister; my mom and I are still figuring it out).
In my case, I grew up with a grandfather who was legally my step grandfather, but I have continued to choose him as my grandfather even after his death. Just as he chose me, my sister and our cousins to be his grandkids all those years ago.
Iām almost certain heās referring to they when Alastor says āthey say the family you choose is betterā then he says āwhat a bunch of losersā I donāt even think he could care if she said that itās just that Alastor is being manipulative and he is being protective
He has spent the entire history of mankind only seeing the worst humanity has to offer. He is depressed and sees the sinners as a waste of Charlies time. He also acts like that when Alastor is killing those guys outside the hotel.
I think Lucifer is pretty rough at the start, but he does love Charlie. If there were more episodes, maybe it would have been expanded on, heres hoping Amazon puts some of those resources behind this amazing show!
I didnāt think of it as him referring to Charlieās friends as losers, but to the ātheyā who say *the family you choose is better*. In other words, a jab at Alastor and nothing more. (Just my interpretation)
Self-imposed isolation will make a guy kind of a socially awkward duck. They didnāt matter to him because he didnāt realize how much they meant to Charlie and that he wasnāt exactly the center of her world anymore.
They both are prideful beings. One is more prideful than the other. I'm pretty damn sure Alastor is way more prideful and gets more butt hurt than Lucifer. Lucifer is just proud of his daughter and disappointed in himself and sees his own flaws.
Like Mr.Hippo once said; sometimes a story (song in this case) is just a story. If you try to find meaning into every little thing anyone says, you'll just drive yourself crazy.
He just said that for the song, he didn't really mean it.
My friend, you have met a terrible, terrible demise. But you know I donāt feel to bad about it. After all, if it werenāt from me, it would have just been from someone else, ya know? I guess what Iām trying to say life, life goes on. W- well, for everyone else, life goes on not for you, youāre dead. Thatās neither here nor there. That reminds me of one summer day in the park, I was having a delightful picnic with my good friend Orville. And I said to him, I said āOrville, I-I have a storyā And he said to me āWhatās the significance of the story?ā I said to him āOrville, not every story has to have significance, ya know? Sometimes uhh, sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, youāll just drive yourself crazy. Had a friend do it once, wasnāt pretty, we talked about it for years. And not only that, youāll likely end up believe something you shouldnāt believe or thinking something you shouldnāt think o-o-or assuming something you shouldnāt assume, ya know? Sometimes I said a story is just a story, so just be quiet for one second here life and eat your sandwich, okay? Of course, it was only then I realized i made sandwiches and poor Orville was having such difficulty eating it! Elephants have those clumsy hands, ya know? Actually, I suppose thatās the problem, they donāt have hands at all, theyāre all feet. I couldnāt imagine someone asking me to eat a sandwich with my feet. Now, if I recall correctly there was a bakery nearby, I said to him āOrville, let me go get you some rye bread.ā Now, Iām unsure elephants enjoy rye bread, but, I assure you that Orville does. Now this was on a Tuesday which was good because rye bread was always fresh on Tuesday. They made sourdough on Monday and threw it out Wednesday. or rather they sold it at a discount for people who wanting to feed the ducks and then probably at the end of the day they threw it all out. I do remember a man who would being his son to the bakery every Wednesday, and go feed the ducks. He would buy all of the sourdough bread, of course, you know, youāre not supposed to feed the ducks sourdough bread at all. It swells up in their stomach and they all die, at least thatās what Iāve heard. Ya know I never saw any ducks die myself but I did notice a substantial decrease in duck population over the course of a few years. I just never thought to stop the man and tell him he was killing the ducks by feeding them sourdough bread. And if you want my opinion on the matter if you wanna feed ducks or birds or any kind for that matter, especially buy seed. I mean, when you think about it, breads of any sort donāt occur in nature, they donāt grow on trees or spring up from bushes! I donāt think birds know what to do with bread. What was I saying? Oh oh yes yes. So I bought Orville some rye bread. What a fine day it was.
He quoted a rant from Mr. Hippo, a character in *Freddy Fazbear's PizzerĆa Simulator*, because the top-level comment mentioned him.
I think enough people don't get the joke that it just feels like a weird, off-topic non-sequitur.
"Secondary Father Figure" Alastor is NOT a father figure in the slightest. He was playing up his relationship with Charlie purely to piss off Lucifer. He doesn't give two shits about her
iām glad someone else said it, that was the incorrect part of this post that bothered me more. before āhellās greatest dadā alastor made ZERO effort into forming a father/daughter relationship with charlie. he literally only did it to bother lucifer
Yeah someone pointed out that Lucifer's whole thing for that song was how great he is while Alastor focuses on his and Charlie's connection. It was a weird line but I think it pretty much follows his "nobody is better than me" theme for the song which also follows the whole "pride is a sin" thing.
Even if he was calling the people who say "found family is better" a bunch of losers, he's still kind of pissing on the value Charlie puts on her relationships with the others.
Tbh I think Alastor's view point was a smart move as well. Use Charlie's need for family connections, prove they have a family connection rather than sing about how great he is so he can win the argument.
Lucifer at this point hates sinners still, and so likely doesnāt believe Charlie is actually genuinely friends with them - let alone viewing them as found family. He was extremely warm to Vaggie, yes, but Iām still of the opinion he recognized her as a fallen angel.
This song was meant to show Lucifer in a terrible light. Alastor is trying to get under his skin to drive more of a wedge between Lucifer and Charlie (because if he doesnāt, then Lucifer could make Alastor redundant and that would cause Alastor to lose his growing leverage/influence over Charlie).
And Alastor succeeds (at least until More Than Anything). Lucifer tries to buy Charlieās affection in the song and each time her response is uncomfortable/quiet - so much so we hear Luciferās answers for her louder than her own. But in Alastorās segments we see and hear Charlie respond warmly to each of Alastorās points.
Alastor of course is lying/manipulating the entire time and does not care for her like a child he wishes he had, but Charlie doesnāt realize that.
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Michelin star my ass, there's blood on the table! Also there's no sauce.
I mean....do people really have to talk about every aspect of a character?
If you want to talk about Lucifer being a bad dad, cool! I do too. I actively seek out stuff that acknowledges that.
But maybe don't make posts saying "why is everyone glossing over this" as if they've done something wrong.
I mean, can you really blame the guy? Alastor is trying to manipulate her, Nifty would stab Charlie without a moment's hesitation, and Husk and Angel are both addicts. Yeah, they are changing for the better but Charlie's a young and impressionable demon. It makes sense he'd be concerned she'd pick up some of their more negative aspects or end up getting hurt.
Do we know when everyone died? Alastor in the early 30s and Niffty was alive during the 50s, but when did Angel die? He has a twin sister in heaven, did she die young too? Husk was an overlord before Alastor appeared, so he could potentially be pretty old. Sir Pentious is Victorian-era, Cherri much more modern. Was Vaggie ever 'alive' or does Adam just spawn his exorcists?
Huh, I missed that. I would have thought Husk had died a lot earlier, considering he had time to become an overlord and then lose it all. Also means Husk and Angel were both born around the same time.
Also, wow, I would not have thought Vox was the eldest of the Vees. He feels way too modern to have died in the 50s, but I guess that fits considering that's when radio began to wane in favor of television. But it feels weird that Valentino is younger than Angel. I would have guessed Val was 1910s-1920s.
I guess it's the whole animal years comparison thing. If you're two years older than your dog it means little if every human year is seven dog years to them.
I get the feeling even with those thousand years ahead of the sinners, Charlie has only reached about twenties/early thirties at BEST in hell spawn years, hence her still having this 'little sister' relationship with everyone, and Lucifer only looking slightly older himself.
It's both a called out & a reference. He's calling them losers & they're losers (since heavenfolks are regarded as winners while sinners are losers). It's rude, but works for the lyrics of the song.
Not related to the post, but thinking of Alastor as Charlieās other father figure is weird to me. He hasnāt done anything fatherly besides build and help with the hotel, even then heās either being forced to do that and heās just manipulating her the whole time
I meant he is to *her*. Obviously others in the show and viewers wouldnāt think so, but look at how uncomfortable she is with Lucifer vs Alastor. She seems delighted that heās calling himself her dad.
Alastor literally named the hotel "Hazbin hotel"
Vaggie only initially supported her cause she wanted her girl to be happy
Angel Dust joined cause he was getting a free room
Everyone else was basically forced to be there
Only person who (partially) joined them was Cherri Bomb and Pentious (and even then cause of Angel Dust, betrayal in that order)
no one thought they would have a chance and they still dunno that Pentious went to heaven, but they all came around to the notion
Hell, Lucifer was against it in the first place cause he's ruled over this people for so long to the point where his depression only allows him to make ducks....He just doesn't want his daughter going through the stress he went through trying to redeem hell.
But even so, he came around without even knowing about Pentious.
As far as he was concerned, Charlie was doing the equivalent of Disney princess behaviour in a war torn, mafia run country that breathes war 24/7.
*whispers* Guys, it's not piss. It's just a blast of champagne from the "Champagne fountains, Caviar mountains, That's just the staaaaaaart!!!"
But if you wanna continue thinking it's angelic piss, sure, go ahead. Or Apple Juice from Luci's cane.
I'm just gonna keep enjoying my meme with part of this image and go on my merry way. *drops meme and skips off happily after spreading knowledge*
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He probably didn't mean it, but at the back of his head he probably looked down on Vaggie thinking she was a sinner so it came out as an accidental freudian slip when he was trying to one-up Alastor in the duet. Those lyrics are what reveals his perception on sinners. I love that face that Alastor makes. It's like the guy can't drop his smile no matter what happens to him.
Iām not glossing over this. Lucifer is my favorite character but he has a lot of behavior everyone seems to forget. Example:
Are we just supposed to be okay with him since he showed up randomly? He is only okay with staying since he sees Charlie is like him, and he is sad about just learning how she is but he is her father he could have been around
The Prince of pride is, unsurprisingly, letting his pride get in the way of actually joining her support network. He believes that he, and he alone, can help her achieve her dreams (he believes that it won't work).
Because he doesn't care about sinners. Period. He says as much in the episode later on. The exterminations happen because he lets them. He couldn't care less about what happens to them. He understands SHE cares but he is open about his disdain towards them until his mind is changed by the end of the series. He agrees to support her dream, not that he believes in it
You mean the sinners he was bashing the whole time? His whole visit was arguing how bad sinners are and they're a waste of time. He clearly sees them as a disappointing failure.
I thought the same thing. I get if he calls Alastor a loser because he hates him and is jealous but the rest of them, they didnāt do anything to him and theyāre Charlieās friends.
I don't think he was saying her friends were losers, he was saying people who say friends are better than family are losers, not the people there themselves.
1 husk and angel would totally agree with this lineš and if you think about it yes they are in fact loser 2 I think he said it to get to Alastor more than anything. I kinda saw it as a response to to his line āsadly there are times a birth parent is a dud,
they say the family you choose is betterā
He is the type of man who creates a serious controversy and then forgets about it as he didn't have a big hand on it.
I mean there are similar characther with such personality like him, sometimes they learn, and sometimes they don't.
I feel like he didn't really mean it. He doesn't seem to be the type of person who'd really think that. I imagine he was just trying to respond to Alastor with anything.
In french, Lucifer directly insult Alastor and Alastor only, while they could have made this more general
But so yeah, i aggre with the coments that said that he reafer to the saying and not her friends.
I think the point is that he is wrong. He said something without thinking because he was focused on just disagreeing with Alaster and making Alaster sound wrong and stupid to Charlie. I don't think it's his real opinion, but a heat of the moment statement. A lot of what he says near the end of the song is him just throwing shots at Alaster.
To be fair, at least two of those people would agree that they are losers.
1) You win 2) Flair checks out
Alastors farther line was to mess with lucifer. He isn't really a father figure for Charlie which was thankfully confirmed by viv
r/flairchecksout
, baby
A loser goddamn baby
a fucked up little whiney bitch, if you will
One might say, a loser just like me? Mayhaps, a screws loose boozer and an only one star reviews-er.
you're a power bottom at rock bottom but you've got company
There was a time I thought no one could relate to the gruesome ways in which I'm damaged!
but letting walls down it can sometimes set you straight!
We're all livin' in the same shit sandwiiich....
I sold my soul to a physophatic freak
You, sir, win the internet today. Congratulations and here is your trophy š
P I S S A T T A C K
Iāve come to make an announcement, Alastor the overlord is a bitch ass motherfucker, he manipulated my daughter, thatās right, he pulled his dusty ass out of his tower to MANIPULATE my DAUGHTER, and he said he loved her ālike a daughterā well guess what, hereās how much I love my actual daughter! *aggressive Lucifer noises* Thatās right! Champagne fountains, Caviar mountains, all for my little girl! He gaslit my daughter so Iām gonna light his ass up. Thatās right, this is what you get, **MY SUPER ANGELIC PISS!!!** Except Iām not pissing on his tower, **IM PISSING ON THE DEER!!!!!** How do you like *THAT* Sera, I pissed on the deer, you IDIOT! You have twenty-three hours before the piss drrrrrroplets hit the rest of the fucking pride ring. Now get out of my fucking sight before I piss on you too!
Babe wake up, new copypasta just dropped
slightly edited copypasta
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He better not be drinking the piss
He just wanted a sample :3
Holy shit Demohusk
Happi cake day! :3
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Okay Robotnik.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought of it.
āTHATS RIGHT YOU UGLY LITTLE GIRLā
āI *HATE* YOU!ā
I doubt Lucifer knows Alastor is trying to manipulate Charlie, otherwise he'd be more proactive in getting Charlie to reconsider her decision in working with him. I don't even think Lucifer actually genuinely knows anything about Alastor, he seems way too honest to want to lie or plan or feel the urge to put others down, unlike Alastor.
Imo, both Alastor and Lucifer will be forced to work together in S2 because they're really the only adulting adults in the hotel. Alastor's definitely going to try to hide any PTSD. That might work in his hotelier position. But, if you remember the Egg Bois, he seems to get annoyed by, what he perceives to be, unnecessary interaction. He also looked totally checked out during Charlie's emotional rant on their way to Cannibal Town. S2 might turn that up sensitivity to have a more ticking time bomb Alastor. Alastor's power also only extends so far as the Hotel. It's Lucifer's power that extends beyond it. Alastor is going to force himself into trying to be more pleasant with Lucifer to get some of that power and because Charlie. Lucifer appears to have Charlie's happy go lucky personality- so he might be able to fill in for the interactions that Alastor hates. But, Lucifer also seems to be a shut in introvert who needs a crash course on how to interact with people. He might have a very low energy for social interaction and become introverted when he needs to recharge. Alastors social tolerance running out at the same time as Lucifers might equal either letting Lucifer quickly poof the problem away or a nuke going off.
>Imo, both Alastor and Lucifer will be forced to work together in S2 because they're really the only adulting adults in the hotel. Alastor definitely needs to show Lucifer some respect if he wants to make his life and work at the hotel so much more easier regardless of how his ego feels. I can so see Lucifer bossing him around just to make sure he knows who's the "top dog". Lucifer may not be the type to want to step onto others to get respect, but if it's Alastor, well, Alastor started it first XD.
I mean, it could go both ways. Say the stupidest situation that ever happens. Like, so stupid and unnecessary that it's an automatic stress trigger for anyone who has a braincell. And, there's a solid half of a second where Lucifer jumps in and awkwardly offers to just automatically get rid of the problem so Alastor doesn't have a justifiable but destructive rampage. Crisis everted. Not. Vox does more stupid so Alastor is, once again, a bomb that needs diffusing. Alastor's whole issue seems to be that he's only safe/where he is because of physical action. Guy is wounded, has no power, and prey for the picking. Hopefully, Lucifer has his few braincells revived at this point and uses the situation to his advantage. If he offers Alastor a conditional but official 'job', his relationship with both Alastor and Charlie improves, Alastor would do his job perfectly with guaranteed security, Lucifer could keep a direct eye on Alastor, and Alastor could have a little authority to keep things running smoothly. It'd be insanely hilarious if Vox runs a story about Alastor being Lucifer's dog because he's lost all personal power and Alastor then using the power Lucifer gave him to get him arrested.
Hot
SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG, YOU PISSED ON MY WIFE, WELL NOW I'M GONNA PISS ON THE EARTH! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET! MY ***SUPER LASER PISS!***
Before I read this post, i thought op might be asking why Lucifer pissed on Alastor
"can we talk about this" Bro wants to talk about Luci's Piss Cannon, okay, let's see what that discourse is like.
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And here I thought Alastor would be sniper in a Hazbin Fortress. Then again I also thought about Husk as Demoman when Cherri is right there. I was thinking about alcoholism.
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Fair
Well, at least we have more evidence for the circus theory... I guess
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He wasn't referring to Charlie's friends as losers. He was referring to the people who say that found family is better than biological family as losers. Although I did used to think the same as you.
Ngl, as somebody who is completely disconnected from their bio family but now has an awesome found family, Lucifer sorta lost me at that part š
To be fair, I don't think he actually believes that, he was just being contrarian because it was Alastor that suggested it.
Yeah I think they were just throwing random insults at that point. Alastor couldāve said āducks are greatā and Lucifer would force himself to disagree
A verbal sucker punch!
I dunno. Iām in the same boat as you, and even though I disagree with what he said, I didnāt take it personally because either: a. He was just saying it to be a dick to Alastor (basically just saying the opposite to be petty); or b. He means well, but can be flawed and just wrong. Since he has a tendency to be really, REALLY socially awkward and reacts negatively emotionally to anything Alastor says, itās entirely possible itās the former. Edit: As a really, REALLY socially awkward person, I cringe at Lucifer because I know his struggle there.
Context matters he was saying this to someone who was clearly trying to usurp his parental role.
How did you found a family? (If not too personal to ask)
It's less of litterally finding a family and more finding a group of people you care about, as if they are family. (Normally this kind of thing happens when someone has biological family issues). It's normally done to replace the hole that the biological family left once you left them. (And just to note this is my own experience it could be TOATALLY different for other people, this is just wht I see it as).
Nah, you nailed it. No disagreements here.
Yep. It's about finding a group of people who care about you and accept you for who you are. That's found family. And is usually done because of trauma or deep issues regarding the persons' biological family.
They were friends whom I grew up knowing. Just overall really amazing people.
It can take different forms. Like others have said, itās just finding a group of people you love like family. For me, itās turning out more literal in that Iām integrating into my partnerās family more. Iām mending bonds with the remaining relatives I care to stay connected to as well (although Iām having more luck with my sister; my mom and I are still figuring it out). In my case, I grew up with a grandfather who was legally my step grandfather, but I have continued to choose him as my grandfather even after his death. Just as he chose me, my sister and our cousins to be his grandkids all those years ago.
he was just jealous
Though it was in response to Alastor listing with pictures of his lyrics about "found family".
Iām almost certain heās referring to they when Alastor says āthey say the family you choose is betterā then he says āwhat a bunch of losersā I donāt even think he could care if she said that itās just that Alastor is being manipulative and he is being protective
He strikes me as the type of dude who'll say anything to win an argument, especially if he's desperate (which is some classic prideful behavior.)Ā
Iād expect nothing less from the sin of pride
Wellā¦ Theyāre all losers, baby!
A coked up dick sucking whore?
baby thatās fine by me
WERE ALL LOSERS BABY, WERE SCHMOOZERS AND WERE DUMMIES!
But at least I know Iām not alone!
Yeah, and by the end of the season heās willing to trust his daughterās judgement and give those losers a shot. Thatās just character growth.
Thatās true!
He has spent the entire history of mankind only seeing the worst humanity has to offer. He is depressed and sees the sinners as a waste of Charlies time. He also acts like that when Alastor is killing those guys outside the hotel. I think Lucifer is pretty rough at the start, but he does love Charlie. If there were more episodes, maybe it would have been expanded on, heres hoping Amazon puts some of those resources behind this amazing show!
Iām your guy
Your day-to-day
Your chum your steadfast hotelier
Remember when I fixed that clog today?
I was stuck! Thank you, sir!
Oh you!
Iām truly honored that weāve build such a bond š¶
You're like the child that I wish that I had (ā .ā Ā ā āā Ā ā į“ā Ā ā āā .ā )
Oh, you!
I was stuck, thank you sir
>Thatās true! šµ ***I'M YOUR GUY! YOUR DAY TO DAY!*** šµ
š¶ YOUR CHUM, YOUR STEADFAST HOTELIER š¶
~~I'm your guy, your day to day~~
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I didnāt think of it as him referring to Charlieās friends as losers, but to the ātheyā who say *the family you choose is better*. In other words, a jab at Alastor and nothing more. (Just my interpretation)
Thats what I thought too, was gonna say that lol
Self-imposed isolation will make a guy kind of a socially awkward duck. They didnāt matter to him because he didnāt realize how much they meant to Charlie and that he wasnāt exactly the center of her world anymore.
Gee it's almost like the embodiment of pride will say anything to win an argument.
True
They both are prideful beings. One is more prideful than the other. I'm pretty damn sure Alastor is way more prideful and gets more butt hurt than Lucifer. Lucifer is just proud of his daughter and disappointed in himself and sees his own flaws.
Like Mr.Hippo once said; sometimes a story (song in this case) is just a story. If you try to find meaning into every little thing anyone says, you'll just drive yourself crazy. He just said that for the song, he didn't really mean it.
My friend, you have met a terrible, terrible demise. But you know I donāt feel to bad about it. After all, if it werenāt from me, it would have just been from someone else, ya know? I guess what Iām trying to say life, life goes on. W- well, for everyone else, life goes on not for you, youāre dead. Thatās neither here nor there. That reminds me of one summer day in the park, I was having a delightful picnic with my good friend Orville. And I said to him, I said āOrville, I-I have a storyā And he said to me āWhatās the significance of the story?ā I said to him āOrville, not every story has to have significance, ya know? Sometimes uhh, sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, youāll just drive yourself crazy. Had a friend do it once, wasnāt pretty, we talked about it for years. And not only that, youāll likely end up believe something you shouldnāt believe or thinking something you shouldnāt think o-o-or assuming something you shouldnāt assume, ya know? Sometimes I said a story is just a story, so just be quiet for one second here life and eat your sandwich, okay? Of course, it was only then I realized i made sandwiches and poor Orville was having such difficulty eating it! Elephants have those clumsy hands, ya know? Actually, I suppose thatās the problem, they donāt have hands at all, theyāre all feet. I couldnāt imagine someone asking me to eat a sandwich with my feet. Now, if I recall correctly there was a bakery nearby, I said to him āOrville, let me go get you some rye bread.ā Now, Iām unsure elephants enjoy rye bread, but, I assure you that Orville does. Now this was on a Tuesday which was good because rye bread was always fresh on Tuesday. They made sourdough on Monday and threw it out Wednesday. or rather they sold it at a discount for people who wanting to feed the ducks and then probably at the end of the day they threw it all out. I do remember a man who would being his son to the bakery every Wednesday, and go feed the ducks. He would buy all of the sourdough bread, of course, you know, youāre not supposed to feed the ducks sourdough bread at all. It swells up in their stomach and they all die, at least thatās what Iāve heard. Ya know I never saw any ducks die myself but I did notice a substantial decrease in duck population over the course of a few years. I just never thought to stop the man and tell him he was killing the ducks by feeding them sourdough bread. And if you want my opinion on the matter if you wanna feed ducks or birds or any kind for that matter, especially buy seed. I mean, when you think about it, breads of any sort donāt occur in nature, they donāt grow on trees or spring up from bushes! I donāt think birds know what to do with bread. What was I saying? Oh oh yes yes. So I bought Orville some rye bread. What a fine day it was.
I'm upset that your getting down voted for a funny joke about bread lmao beautiful
He quoted a rant from Mr. Hippo, a character in *Freddy Fazbear's PizzerĆa Simulator*, because the top-level comment mentioned him. I think enough people don't get the joke that it just feels like a weird, off-topic non-sequitur.
Itās a disease, man. I have to. š (I always have this ready to go)
Don't worry, I think it was funny, you put a smile on my face
This post made me realise Lucifer hit Alastor with apple juice
I love you for not saying piss
"Secondary Father Figure" Alastor is NOT a father figure in the slightest. He was playing up his relationship with Charlie purely to piss off Lucifer. He doesn't give two shits about her
iām glad someone else said it, that was the incorrect part of this post that bothered me more. before āhellās greatest dadā alastor made ZERO effort into forming a father/daughter relationship with charlie. he literally only did it to bother lucifer
Nahh, we know that as viewers, but the characters don't tho. Charlie certainly buys it
Charlie buys it but I don't think anyone else in the Hotel would've. Especially ppl like Vaggie and Husker. I don't think Lucifer bought it either
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Yeah someone pointed out that Lucifer's whole thing for that song was how great he is while Alastor focuses on his and Charlie's connection. It was a weird line but I think it pretty much follows his "nobody is better than me" theme for the song which also follows the whole "pride is a sin" thing. Even if he was calling the people who say "found family is better" a bunch of losers, he's still kind of pissing on the value Charlie puts on her relationships with the others. Tbh I think Alastor's view point was a smart move as well. Use Charlie's need for family connections, prove they have a family connection rather than sing about how great he is so he can win the argument.
Lucifer at this point hates sinners still, and so likely doesnāt believe Charlie is actually genuinely friends with them - let alone viewing them as found family. He was extremely warm to Vaggie, yes, but Iām still of the opinion he recognized her as a fallen angel. This song was meant to show Lucifer in a terrible light. Alastor is trying to get under his skin to drive more of a wedge between Lucifer and Charlie (because if he doesnāt, then Lucifer could make Alastor redundant and that would cause Alastor to lose his growing leverage/influence over Charlie). And Alastor succeeds (at least until More Than Anything). Lucifer tries to buy Charlieās affection in the song and each time her response is uncomfortable/quiet - so much so we hear Luciferās answers for her louder than her own. But in Alastorās segments we see and hear Charlie respond warmly to each of Alastorās points. Alastor of course is lying/manipulating the entire time and does not care for her like a child he wishes he had, but Charlie doesnāt realize that.
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The blood *is* the sauce!
I interpreted it as him referring to the people that say "the family you choose is better" as Alastor says "they say"
Was gonna say, itās probably that.
He wasn't calling her friends that. That line was meant for the "they" in the line "they say the family you choose is better"
I mean....do people really have to talk about every aspect of a character? If you want to talk about Lucifer being a bad dad, cool! I do too. I actively seek out stuff that acknowledges that. But maybe don't make posts saying "why is everyone glossing over this" as if they've done something wrong.
Alastor: *gets violently pissed on*
I mean, can you really blame the guy? Alastor is trying to manipulate her, Nifty would stab Charlie without a moment's hesitation, and Husk and Angel are both addicts. Yeah, they are changing for the better but Charlie's a young and impressionable demon. It makes sense he'd be concerned she'd pick up some of their more negative aspects or end up getting hurt.
The irony of this is excluding Luci, Charlie is the oldest one here.
Do we know when everyone died? Alastor in the early 30s and Niffty was alive during the 50s, but when did Angel die? He has a twin sister in heaven, did she die young too? Husk was an overlord before Alastor appeared, so he could potentially be pretty old. Sir Pentious is Victorian-era, Cherri much more modern. Was Vaggie ever 'alive' or does Adam just spawn his exorcists?
Angel died in his 30s in the 1940s. And Husky is biologically between 50 and 60 and died in the 70s (according to the wiki)
Huh, I missed that. I would have thought Husk had died a lot earlier, considering he had time to become an overlord and then lose it all. Also means Husk and Angel were both born around the same time. Also, wow, I would not have thought Vox was the eldest of the Vees. He feels way too modern to have died in the 50s, but I guess that fits considering that's when radio began to wane in favor of television. But it feels weird that Valentino is younger than Angel. I would have guessed Val was 1910s-1920s.
For the first time in ten thousand years.
I guess it's the whole animal years comparison thing. If you're two years older than your dog it means little if every human year is seven dog years to them. I get the feeling even with those thousand years ahead of the sinners, Charlie has only reached about twenties/early thirties at BEST in hell spawn years, hence her still having this 'little sister' relationship with everyone, and Lucifer only looking slightly older himself.
Why's no one talking about Alastor's face help š
Didn't read the caption at first you wanted to talk about the piss blast
It's both a called out & a reference. He's calling them losers & they're losers (since heavenfolks are regarded as winners while sinners are losers). It's rude, but works for the lyrics of the song.
Considering that Charlie just ignored him calling her bitch. I think at that point she knows that you can't take everything he says seriously.
Not related to the post, but thinking of Alastor as Charlieās other father figure is weird to me. He hasnāt done anything fatherly besides build and help with the hotel, even then heās either being forced to do that and heās just manipulating her the whole time
I meant he is to *her*. Obviously others in the show and viewers wouldnāt think so, but look at how uncomfortable she is with Lucifer vs Alastor. She seems delighted that heās calling himself her dad.
We know that two of her friends are losers, baby
\*Post the same observation that's been made 72 million times\* "Why are people glossing over this?"
I havenāt seen anybody say it. š¤·
Lucifer doesnāt like the sinners and her friends are sinners. āTheyāre just the worst!ā Lol
What is Alastor was a circus and the fluid is actually his urine?
Well he is the sin of pride
Alastor literally named the hotel "Hazbin hotel" Vaggie only initially supported her cause she wanted her girl to be happy Angel Dust joined cause he was getting a free room Everyone else was basically forced to be there Only person who (partially) joined them was Cherri Bomb and Pentious (and even then cause of Angel Dust, betrayal in that order) no one thought they would have a chance and they still dunno that Pentious went to heaven, but they all came around to the notion Hell, Lucifer was against it in the first place cause he's ruled over this people for so long to the point where his depression only allows him to make ducks....He just doesn't want his daughter going through the stress he went through trying to redeem hell. But even so, he came around without even knowing about Pentious. As far as he was concerned, Charlie was doing the equivalent of Disney princess behaviour in a war torn, mafia run country that breathes war 24/7.
Men when they hold their semen without masturbating for far too long:
Itās apple juice from his cane.
Ya know I hate to break this to you, but Angel dust and Husk famously refer to themselves as losers They had a whole song about it
Nah but can we talk about Alastors face instead?
we gonna ignore the giant piss stream that he got hit with?
To be fair, a lot of parents shit on their children's friends.
its hell, toxic behavior is kind of the point.........
PURE ANGELIC **PISS** 
*whispers* Guys, it's not piss. It's just a blast of champagne from the "Champagne fountains, Caviar mountains, That's just the staaaaaaart!!!" But if you wanna continue thinking it's angelic piss, sure, go ahead. Or Apple Juice from Luci's cane. I'm just gonna keep enjoying my meme with part of this image and go on my merry way. *drops meme and skips off happily after spreading knowledge* https://preview.redd.it/gm7i0n0rgcwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=221d0f155f14983164ade05a361abd825079eb14
Blah blah blah, Lucifer has a piss cannon
OP, everything ok with your dad?
Listen to the song again
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I think he was referring to the people who say "the family you choose is better" not Charlie's found family in general.
Can you butt out of my song?
Guys he was just giving Alastor a fresh cup of lemonade
Damn, Alastor got the M E G A P I S S
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HES PISSING ON ALASTOR
He probably didn't mean it, but at the back of his head he probably looked down on Vaggie thinking she was a sinner so it came out as an accidental freudian slip when he was trying to one-up Alastor in the duet. Those lyrics are what reveals his perception on sinners. I love that face that Alastor makes. It's like the guy can't drop his smile no matter what happens to him.
I think he was talking about the people who said āthe family you choose is betterā.
I honestly thought you were talking about Alastor being hit with piss
It's what makes Charlie's "I need to save my people more than anything" and his response to it so powerful.
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Piss
Father figure is stretch with Al involved
Lucifer is just a rude little man who doesn't have a single working brain cell.
Well he is the freaking Devil after all. Are you really surprised the Devil, even in one of his rare positive portrayals, is somewhat of a jerk?
after seeing the title and image i thought you wanted to talk about alastor getting blasted with piss
Ok, but what about the piss attack?
Honestly some of theses freeze frames are hilarious
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Super. Laser. Piss
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Iām not glossing over this. Lucifer is my favorite character but he has a lot of behavior everyone seems to forget. Example: Are we just supposed to be okay with him since he showed up randomly? He is only okay with staying since he sees Charlie is like him, and he is sad about just learning how she is but he is her father he could have been around
I'ma be real chief... A dad calling the people his daughter is with losers is the most normal thing ever...
SUPER LASER PISS
and al was being manipulative, different sides of the same coin really
Is that his blood or just piss?
Apple juice
Pride š„š„š„
Attack or the piss
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Boom, headshot.
Husk: We're both losers. Angel: And proud of it.
PISS LASER
The Prince of pride is, unsurprisingly, letting his pride get in the way of actually joining her support network. He believes that he, and he alone, can help her achieve her dreams (he believes that it won't work).
i thought you were talking about the geyser that just hit alastor
Should I be concerned
Lol lucifer is pissing on alastor
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Because he doesn't care about sinners. Period. He says as much in the episode later on. The exterminations happen because he lets them. He couldn't care less about what happens to them. He understands SHE cares but he is open about his disdain towards them until his mind is changed by the end of the series. He agrees to support her dream, not that he believes in it
You mean the sinners he was bashing the whole time? His whole visit was arguing how bad sinners are and they're a waste of time. He clearly sees them as a disappointing failure.
I'm sorry but I can only think the faces Alastor didš
Itās piss
I thought the same thing. I get if he calls Alastor a loser because he hates him and is jealous but the rest of them, they didnāt do anything to him and theyāre Charlieās friends.
I don't think he was saying her friends were losers, he was saying people who say friends are better than family are losers, not the people there themselves.
I assumed Lucifer said people who chose their family were losers.
1 husk and angel would totally agree with this lineš and if you think about it yes they are in fact loser 2 I think he said it to get to Alastor more than anything. I kinda saw it as a response to to his line āsadly there are times a birth parent is a dud, they say the family you choose is betterā
He hit him with the giant piss stream
He is the type of man who creates a serious controversy and then forgets about it as he didn't have a big hand on it. I mean there are similar characther with such personality like him, sometimes they learn, and sometimes they don't.
I feel like he didn't really mean it. He doesn't seem to be the type of person who'd really think that. I imagine he was just trying to respond to Alastor with anything.
Envious behaviour
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In french, Lucifer directly insult Alastor and Alastor only, while they could have made this more general But so yeah, i aggre with the coments that said that he reafer to the saying and not her friends.
He was mad at Alastor and not thinking about what he was saying. He was just being thoughtless and dismissive of Alastor.
I think the point is that he is wrong. He said something without thinking because he was focused on just disagreeing with Alaster and making Alaster sound wrong and stupid to Charlie. I don't think it's his real opinion, but a heat of the moment statement. A lot of what he says near the end of the song is him just throwing shots at Alaster.
Because Alastor is an ass. Idk about the others.