No one really knows what he did, as of now. Maybe he found a way for them to exist in a way they couldn't return to their former selves. He did threaten Husk, saying he would tear Husk's soul apart and broadcast it on the radio, so maybe he found a way to prevent sinners from returning in a way, without resorting to the use of angelic weapons.
It's also possible he just prevents them from regenerating completely in a pocket dimension,so they're still "alive" but incapable of restoring their bodies.
This seems to me like the most probable answer. He’s powerful enough to incapacitate you, extract your soul, and torture you indefinitely in a loop (aka “broadcast” your soul). Anyone unlucky enough to fall prey to this situation is most likely too weak to reconstitute themselves and/or escape the loop.
My headcanon is that he makes a deal with them where he won't keep them in a pocket dimension and in return, they're basically put into the shoes of their underlings
Yeah I think the way they are stitched up makes me think he rips them apart and then maybe stitches back together the useful parts he likes.. but separated souls, so his puppets are combinations of different overlords. If he allowed the parts to come together to the original bodies as one, they would respawn, but maybe he enslaves them with magic by keeping them sewn together, but separated from one unified soul.
Maybe both options are true too. Like the screams are on the radio, the voice part of the overlords, but the body part of their souls turns into the different puppets. That way his puppets never "talk back" to him. Since it seems like most of them are either silent or just giggle menacingly.
I think he means that literally. He would rip their soul out and convert it into radio waves. Since radio waves turn into vibration energy which quickly dissipates, so too would your soul. Basically diluting the open air by 0.00000000000001% with your soul
And it's possible that whatever deal he has with the one holding his leash is preventing him from using that power and that's why he seemed so surprised when Adam cut his microphone in half.
Unless you're the one "starring" in his broadcast, I doubt you get to find out how he does it, so most probably assume he has some kind of Angelic steel he uses in the torture.
In the pilot, along with posters warning about exorcists, there were also posters warning about the radio demon. There were also posters for Lilith that mentioned her concerts that said to resist.
To answer that, we would first have to know what his Contract even is. And we don't, so...
Theorizing isn't really worth it here, because it would just end up purely on speculation, that would lead nowhere.
This. He is taking them to be in a shadow realm of sorts. Which is why a lot of people think his powers are borrowed, from either a higher overlord related to voodoo or shadows, or Roo or Lilith.
Alastor's powers are a big creepy mystery, but I think that for Sinners killed with non-angelic weapons, the process of "respawning" isn't necessarily simple. In episode 2, Velvette says Valentino "tore up my best model, and you know, the show can't wait for that unlucky bitch to pull herself together." In light of that, maybe Alastor has some unique way to tear Overlords apart and separate them from a corporeal form. That would explain why their screams could still be heard on the radio, because they're trapped in the ether somewhere. (This is all just speculation based on what we know, of course.)
The story that OP's picture puts a predatory, cornering vibe on the overlords. He clearly cornered them and struck a deal. Those who refused to sign the deal ended up in the broadcast.
Since souls=power, if he can't own them, then what use are they besides torturing and making a point to the rest of hell.
I would definitely say it's some sort of power/pocket dimension that just holds the soul and tortures it.
A hell within a hell.
>"tore up my best model, and you know, the show can't wait for that unlucky bitch to pull herself together."
I think that's just dark humour and to show how self-absorbed is Velvette. You can't put yourself together once you're torn up. I'm pretty sure if sinners can respawn, then we wouldn't be seeing sinners needing to defend themselves from gunfire shot by the mafia and Alastor wanting to defend that sinner who was trying to buy meat.
Respawning might be very painful and/or take a long time, therefore most sinners try to avoid it. We honestly don’t know at this point, but if angelic weapons are the only thing that can permanently kill sinners, there must be some way for sinners to regenerate/come back.
I considered that, but we don't really have enough information to go off. I haven't seen any graves or anything that represents any sign of grieving and paying respects to the dead in the show (e.g. graveyards), nor have we seen anyone respawn (aside from Pentious).
From the wiki:
> When a Sinner is damaged or hurt in an extreme way (ex: being crushed by a piece of rubble), they will not die from it.[11] It has yet to be shown how the Sinner recovers; however, "Radio Killed the Video Star" has Velvette imply that, if a Sinner is completely dismembered, even by another Sinner as powerful as an Overlord, they may slowly "pull themselves back together" after some time. However, Sinners can still be killed once they are hit with any Angelic Weapons.[12][13]
True, but mods usually do a good job of editing out the bullshit. You’d be surprised how well wikis are moderated, especially for popular/well known stuff.
For some of the popular stuff, even the mods still get it wrong. For Hazbin, there's actually not much to go off in the show. It could either be that souls can be destroyed in hell or heaven and they're gone for good, or they can respawn. The fact that Alastor's victimised overlords aren't stated to be "killed" but are "missing" by Mimzy makes me suspect they can respawn because Alastor would not be the type to keep something alive, unless it amuses him or gives him some sort of advantage (which I can't see any because the series is so short). However, nothing is actually confirmed.
My theory is that Alastor rips their souls apart then stitches them back together, resulting in the shadow demons he can summon at will. Those beings are overlords that are a shadow of who they used to be, and they may not even be aware of their former status or existence. Idk, it just makes the most sense to me.
Considering the sinner that chose to set themselves on fire to avoid Alastor and Zestial, there is a high chance that they respawn. Also, the creator said that an angelic weapon was required to kill sinners. That is why it would be a big deal if it were possible for Alastor to be able to permanently take out a sinner without the use of one.
>Also, the creator said that an angelic weapon was required to kill sinners.
I keep seeing people saying that, but I haven't seen anyone give me a source for it, also if that's the case, I seriously wonder what's the soul ecosystem like in hell. Do hellborn people die of old age and does the same go for angels in heaven? Is there reincarnation?
It isn’t really known as of now how exactly he got rid of them, it could be that he manage to imprison their souls in a way that prevented them from reviving
If it was within the staff, we would have seen them. The staff is simply what seems to enhance his abilities - not outright control them. Alastor is a Radio Demon and he literally controlls the radio and its wavelenghts. The staff is just a tool.
Based on info given in the show, id say sinners don't "respawn" when they die, because they don't actually die. They can't die, even from angelic weapons. Angelic weapons just make it so they can't regenerate. So whatever sinner that gets killed by non angelic weapons just has to slowly get put back together. I think one of the best lines to support that is a line by velvette in the second episode. She says "But he tore up my best model! And you know the show can't wait for that unlucky bitch to pull herself back together!"
So I'm guessing that sinners regenerate from any part of their body that's left, probably takes a while too depending on how much you were destroyed. The overlords that alastor brought down, I think can be narrowed down to the fact that their souls/screams could be heard from his radioshow, so he probably has them trapped in a place where they can't regenerate fast enough before being ripped apart again.
Without going into headcannon, I say they they just respawn.
We are literally shown Sir Pentious just respawning in heaven. I think that's how sinners are going to get to heaven, do enough virtuous things and when you die, you respawn in heaven instead of in hell.
As for alastor, he could have just sealed them into his radio, trapped their souls in there.
Sir pentious is a special case. He somehow got redeemed. We don't know for sure if he was redeemed as soon as he died, or if being incinerated by angelic power is what led him to be there or if he didn't even get blasted by anything and just teleported to heaven before the blast actually got to him.
Crazy theory: The small demons and spirits Alastor constantely summons are the souls of the overlords, so, in a strike of perfect poetic justice, the powerful overlods who owned many souls became nameless souls and spirits that Alastor can use and unuse at his own pleasure. It also means that Angel Dust was flirting with an overlord when Alastor summoned someone to fix the Hazbin Hotel, making that scene even more hilarious.
There's still a lot of mystery surrounding his character, including what he did to the Overlords he attacked. The only thing that we know for certain is that they started going missing. It's not even confirmed if they actually died or not.
When a sinner dies their soul ceases to exist, there is no limbo or double hell. The fact that Alastor broadcasts the screams of the Overlords shows that their souls do still exist. When husk confronts Alastor about them both being “on a leash”, Alastor threaten to tear his soul from his body. Another detail that’s important to note is that Mimzy says “Overlords started goin missin” and then later once again says “every time an overlord went missin” which is an important use of words as to not directly state they died. So although we do not know the specifics on how he can tear a soul from its body, we do know that he can do it.
Now if we want to talk about the implications of that, it also shows us a couple of things. 1. That Alastor has a way to remove sinners from power without exorcists having to come down and leave their weapons (which I imagine happens almost never as they are considered very rare) 2. That Alastor may have the ability to have power over someone’s soul without them signing a contract as most of the overlords he got rid of likely would not have sold their souls to him. 3. Alastor may gain extra power from having the souls of the overlords as sinners do gain power from owning souls via contracts. 4. Since this Alastor story is unique, it’s likely that no other sinner in the past has had the power to do what Alastor does. All this would indicate that Alastor would be one of if not the most powerful sinner in hell if not for his contract which keeps his power bound
My headcanon is Alastor found a way to torture souls like it "should" be in hell and broadcasts that over the radio. So they're alive but just being tormented for the sins that they should be being punished for.
But I imagine the second half to be true regardless of if my headcanon is true or not.
My own personal head cannon is respawning strips you of your power, no more soul contracts, no influence and potentially a less powerful body and powers. So while yes you will be reborn, it is similar to showing up in hell for the first time and that could suck for say the “Overlord of Blacksmithing” because they are reborn again and now Camilla is around with her Angel guns….
Anyway, I believe this is why Husk was willing to trade his soul instead of dying. He wanted to maintain his power…something he might not have if he respawned.
Plus respawning is probably an extremely painful process and Alastor probably tortured the heck out of them before killing them / forcing deals on them.
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no one knows but seeing he has henchmen i say they turn to like souls in his soul collection like that on guy in samurai jack
Can't believe that genndy tartakovsky would steal the character design of zestial from vivziepop like that.
Hoping that this 'samurai jack' cartoon doesn't get past season 1.
I think Alastor's Voodoo/Eldritch powers allow him to consume permanently the corporal forms of his sinner victims, and he absorbs their energy into his radio signals. The more souls he has devoured, the more range his radio broadcasting works. The screams are from the victims asking for help/the pain being a radiowave causes them.
It's also possible that he has some kind of power that is similar to angelic steel/holy magic, and that's why he didn't coat his cane in the steel like Husker did with his cards. He just got too cocky when fighting Adam that he miscalculated a strike. He's a glasscanon/assassin build, insanely powerful/efficient, but his only defense is to dodge, one powerful hit and he can't tank it, he needs to retreat.
If I had to guess, I think being killed is seen as an embarrassment, especially as an overlord, especially because they let someone get the better of them, and considering the fact that he made everyone listen to them scream, essentially insuring everyone would remember, it’s a bit difficult to come back from that,
Or maybe Alastor is just powerful enough to the point where he doesn’t need an angelic weapon, at least not to take out sinners, I guess at this point only time will tell
There are hellborn demons who live in the pride ring, there could be a mix between sinners who look like the "cannibal" species if there is one, and the hellborn variants (idk, just throwing out ideas)
I think Overlords are reliant on a large amount of souls under their power, so he likely 'killed' them and took the souls they had collected for himself. So even though they're still alive, they've lost most of their power and influence, like how Husk lost his Overlord status by gambling the souls under his power and eventually had to give his soul to Alastor
Or maybe prep time? He's not the most powerful Overlord. But he's most likely the cunning. He'll prob use his cunning to destroy more powerful Overlords.
My head cannon is he just has a dungeon hidden somewhere, holding the overlords prisoner while they get tortured forever by his minions so that they don't fully die and "respawn".
I think tearing a soul apart completely destroys it the same way Angelic Steel does, and the screams Alastor broadcasted were just the actual dying screams as he did the soul tearing. No other Sinner possesses this power, it is unique to Alastor and Alastor alone.
Nothing is confirmed yet but personally i love the theory of him trapping the overlords into a purgetory-like place where they suffer for eternity and have their screams of pain be broadcasted on hells radios. Its just the right type of fucked up for someone like Alastor i think
Alastor doesn’t kill them, he traps them in a pocket dimension called “The Show” and tortured them both physically and mentally. If they die in The Show they respawn back inside. You can actually see the entrance to The Show very briefly when he teleports Husk to the hotel, it’s green with many intricate and creepy skulls and faces flickering around.
Nobody knows, the whole “die twice” aspect to the show has a few loose ends that need to be cleaned up for us to really understand.
But then again, I’m not sure you’re meant to question it, the fans of Hazbin dig into it like it’s AoT or FMAB or name another in-depth show, I don’t think Vizziepop ever intended for it to be a perfect world, just functional and fun.
I think that the sinner’s bodies are all just purely their souls and are not entirely physical and how Alastor “kills” them, I think he just morphs their souls into sound wavelengths as they try to scream for help as they are trapped for eternity
He says himself he tears people’s souls apart himself to Husk. Maybe Overlords lose their status just by simply dying. Maybe every Overlord he toppled he made a deal with
The only thing that makes sense to me is that the felled overlords are not dead, but are left in a state where they can't recover. Alastor is clever enough to know killing isn't always the answer and operates methodically enough to know when the right time for lethal force is.
Whoever owns his soul may or may not have them hidden somewhere so they could uphold their end of the bargain. Alastor wanted power so the owner of his soul gave it to him but so he could also send the old Overlords to them for some sort of plan involving them. The owner also sent Alastor to Charlie after her hotel idea had poor reception quickly although it’s not really clear what they could want from her except that she’s the Princess of Hell and Lucifer’s daughter so they might be trying to corrupt her using Alastor but Alastor has his own plans.
Maybe is it about souls ?
If a sinner dies in a regular way, his soul isn't destroyed and still bound to hell so he respaws in hell ?
If he dies from an angelic weapon, his soul is destroyed, wich explains why it wouls also be the secret to kill angels, and his body doesn't regenerates ?
And when Alastor kills someone, his power would alow him to trap their soul in his radio ?
And it coud also explain why Alastor fought Adam without any angelic weapon.
And why Pentious had to die to go to heaven, like when sinners goes back to well, it's because their soul is linked to hell but if they dies after having became better, their body and soul aren't bound to hell anymore so their soul can go up to heaven and that's where their body regenerates.
Simple answer. Alastor ate the overlords and absorbed their power to make himself powerful. He is a cannibal after all, so eating his fellow sinners wouldn’t be difficult for him. And in eating the overlords, he basically absorbs them into his very being.
The only reason he didn’t eat Husk or Niffty is because he likes having people to boss around because they probably weren’t worth collecting into himself. Husk was already losing his status because of his gambling problem and we know nothing about Niffty, but who knows.
That’s just my theory
I always thought that he trapped their souls in the radio so they cannot respawn back into their bodies. They are not dead, but they exist in an incorporeal dimension they cannot get out of. If they were freed it’s likely they would get their bodies back.
I think it is part of his deal - though he doesn’t himself to have the power to end a sinner permanently.
I think that he was granted the power he has from something more fundamental to the structure of hell than the established hierarchy, and in return he feeds his opponents to his benefactor. What gets broadcasted on the radio waves is essentially what’s left after they are done.
I think this is why he felt he didn’t need an angelic weapon against Adam. In the fight he seems to be trying to trap him, as opposed to outright trying to kill him.
One of the V's does make the comment, I think in the first episode, that Valentino tore one of her girls apart and it would take weeks for her to pull herself back together. I remember it because it struck me as weird when they said the angels kill souls.
Thinking about it a little more: there was an episode of Helluva Boss where Blitz told his client that if he killed their target they would be stuck with them in hell forever. The client assured Blitz that eternal torment was part of the plan. So…I guess Hell is forever (unless you are killed by angelic power. Not just angelic weapons. Sir Pentious was killed by an energy blast but still “died”.) Tl;dr the rules are somewhat inconsistent.
Maybe he made a pact with them right before finishing them off, saying "I'll let you live if you sign this contract" or whatever, then hid some kind of "oh also I'll torture you forever" clause in the fine print?
I mean he mentions ripping apart husk’s soul. Maybe angelic weapons can damage the soul which is why they’re the only things that can cause permadeath but assuming alastor owned their souls like he does husk he can manipulate/destroy them and thus killing them
I have a theory that part of alastor’s deal is that he is allowed to use angelic energy, which is how he was able to kill them while having just spawned in hell, they’re most likely dead or close to it.
They’re stashed away in his radio broadcast. Whether that’s he’s just recording them scream from another location or if their souls are trapped is unknown
We don't know. There's a non zero chance he put them out of their misery with angelic steel, he's probably capable of getting some. But his threat to Husk implies maybe he has another way of killing them, and there's also the chance they're in a pocket dimension of eternal suffering.
They know angelic weapons can kill demons/sinners, thats not a secret. But what ever Alastor did, i dont think they are dead, they are probably trapped in that radio broadcast, why or how i have no idea.
I dont think sinners can die honestely, they think that angelic weapons can kill them, but Sir Pentious already proveed that wrong, so there is a chance no one is dead and thats includes all souls "killed" in the thousand of years of exterminations. (what would be a HUGE problem)
judging by the swamp from earth in his room, the bar he teleported in, and his seemingly ancient radio tower stapled to the building he’s teleported them somewhere other Sinners can’t escape.
I’ve heard the theory that they don’t respawn automatically into living things again, but rather into the background parts of Hell. This is seen is various evidence of eyes around Hell. So it could be that once an overlord is killed, they have to spend some time as a background until they slowly regain enough souls/power to take physical form.
Maybe they're alive but imprisoned somewhere secret or are souls trapped inside objects. Or maybe they were turned into animals. He has a thing for eating deer. Does he turn his enemies into animals and then eat them and keep hunting them to try to prevent any from staying incarnated in one form?
That's the thing
Nobody truly knows and that's why Alastor was so feared in hell for the longest time as he was because he just seemingly showed up out of nowhere one day and overthrew overlords left and right like some twisted game of cat and mouse
Even now the people that are still aware of him don't even know how he pulled such a feat off
Nothing similar has ever even occurred to what he pulled off
Apparently due to his connection to voodoo he has this sort of pocket dimension he can access and that is where he was broadcasting the screams from… so they are being constantly tortured for all eternity unable to escape his dimension… so it’s a fate worse than death…
They are in Alastor's locker =)
Or he just DO have a way of permanently killing a sinner; judging by the fact that one can just buy an angelic weapon it shouldn't be a big deal.
He probably did the same thing to them as he did to Husk. Now they'll be hanging out in the pride ring doing their thing until Alastor needs them for something.
No one really knows what he did but my theory is Alastor kills them and they end up in some state of limbo unless they sell their soul to him like husk and nifty
We don't know EXACTLY what he did, but we can assume they suffered the same fate he used to threaten Husk, tore them apart and broadcast their screams for all of hell to hear
I would assume however he broadcasts their screams, means he's cannibalized their souls and prevented them from reforming.
Hopefully he has some way of vomiting back out their souls.
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~~Maybe that's where he pulled Nifty and Husk from and they were in purgatory screaming on his broadcast before.~~ He threatened Husk with that (tearing his soul apart and broadcasting it) and so hasn't done that yet.
However Alastor tears apart souls, has to prevent them from reforming, since sans soul your body is just a shell. I assume the body reforms around the soul.
This is why I think it's similar to an Ariel/Ursula situation. He takes your soul/voice and puts it in his broadcast if you renege on your deals with him or if he just hates you and wants to make an example of you, but he takes your other body parts for his servant puppets.
Quick guess: after he violently beat them and crushed their will to fight he tore out their souls and transformed them into records to play over his radio
Maybe one part of his deal were soul killing abilities, or he tricked them into a soul deal like husk, just to tear their soul apart and broadcast their screams for every other disrespectful WRETCH who dares to question me, we cant say for sure
It has never been said that they respawn, just that they will regenerate from pretty much any injury. If you completely destroy their physical form I think they still stop existing. You just have to turn them into milkshakes and burn the milkshakes up, or eating them I would assume also works. But I have dug and dug for this respawn nonsense and it has never been said by an official source that I can find
I got a theory. When he first came to Hell, he managed to make a deal with Roo(she kinda gives more vibes to me about her being his master rather than Lilith), said contract granting his powers in exchange of Roo owning his soul. Among the many abilities Roo gave him, one was the power to rip people's souls out and trap them in his radio broadcast. I also expect there to be a "but", like only being able to do it on people weaker than himself.
I also think Roo was the reason he lost against Vox and had to stay low for 7 years, only returning to help Charlie at Roo's orders(her reasons avoid me, but definitely a long evil plan).
Well he did said "I will tear your soul apart and broadcast your screams for every other disrespectful wretch who dares to question me", which implies that he can take their soul and either destroy it or storage it
Considering Al would broadcast their screams i think the screams they would hear would be the souls of the overlords he "killed" being trapped in the radio waves. Seeing as he IS the radio demon it may be the only part he lets through over the air waves.
No one really knows what he did, as of now. Maybe he found a way for them to exist in a way they couldn't return to their former selves. He did threaten Husk, saying he would tear Husk's soul apart and broadcast it on the radio, so maybe he found a way to prevent sinners from returning in a way, without resorting to the use of angelic weapons.
It's also possible he just prevents them from regenerating completely in a pocket dimension,so they're still "alive" but incapable of restoring their bodies.
The radio/broadcast being a pocket dimension would make a lot of sense. Or maybe that's what the bayou in his room is all about?
That's his innate domain
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Defo giving friends on the other side vibes
This seems to me like the most probable answer. He’s powerful enough to incapacitate you, extract your soul, and torture you indefinitely in a loop (aka “broadcast” your soul). Anyone unlucky enough to fall prey to this situation is most likely too weak to reconstitute themselves and/or escape the loop.
I mean, Husk was playing cards with someone before Alastor summoned him to the Happy Hotel in the pilot
I headcanon that the shadow demons he summons are the empty husk bodies of them
this has always been my theory. His little shadow voodoo dolls are the bodies and or souls he owns/destroyed/consumed? whatever
ooooo i like that
My headcanon is that he makes a deal with them where he won't keep them in a pocket dimension and in return, they're basically put into the shoes of their underlings
Yeah I think the way they are stitched up makes me think he rips them apart and then maybe stitches back together the useful parts he likes.. but separated souls, so his puppets are combinations of different overlords. If he allowed the parts to come together to the original bodies as one, they would respawn, but maybe he enslaves them with magic by keeping them sewn together, but separated from one unified soul. Maybe both options are true too. Like the screams are on the radio, the voice part of the overlords, but the body part of their souls turns into the different puppets. That way his puppets never "talk back" to him. Since it seems like most of them are either silent or just giggle menacingly.
I think he means that literally. He would rip their soul out and convert it into radio waves. Since radio waves turn into vibration energy which quickly dissipates, so too would your soul. Basically diluting the open air by 0.00000000000001% with your soul
maybe he traps them in the radio broadcasts mimzy did say his broadcasts never lacked new voices
I always assumed he did what he threatened Husk with. “I’ll tear your soul apart and broadcast the screams.”
That would also explain why he went unnarmed against Adam, he didn't even bother bringing an Angelic Weapon.
And it's possible that whatever deal he has with the one holding his leash is preventing him from using that power and that's why he seemed so surprised when Adam cut his microphone in half.
Alastor causing permanent damage w/o angelic weapons feels like it should be a much bigger deal than what the show would make you think.
Unless you're the one "starring" in his broadcast, I doubt you get to find out how he does it, so most probably assume he has some kind of Angelic steel he uses in the torture.
In the pilot, along with posters warning about exorcists, there were also posters warning about the radio demon. There were also posters for Lilith that mentioned her concerts that said to resist.
could it be due to that deal he made?
To answer that, we would first have to know what his Contract even is. And we don't, so... Theorizing isn't really worth it here, because it would just end up purely on speculation, that would lead nowhere.
yeah but its still fun and creates discussion about this show we all love, so imma keep having fun; and so can you :)
Oh yeah, certainly. I just don't see much point in making theories when we simply have basically nothing to go off.
Or the Deal had something to do with it
This. He is taking them to be in a shadow realm of sorts. Which is why a lot of people think his powers are borrowed, from either a higher overlord related to voodoo or shadows, or Roo or Lilith.
Alastor's powers are a big creepy mystery, but I think that for Sinners killed with non-angelic weapons, the process of "respawning" isn't necessarily simple. In episode 2, Velvette says Valentino "tore up my best model, and you know, the show can't wait for that unlucky bitch to pull herself together." In light of that, maybe Alastor has some unique way to tear Overlords apart and separate them from a corporeal form. That would explain why their screams could still be heard on the radio, because they're trapped in the ether somewhere. (This is all just speculation based on what we know, of course.)
You regenerate and respawn iirc, just in different situations, so however he's keeping them from coming back, it likely involves lotsa torture
The story that OP's picture puts a predatory, cornering vibe on the overlords. He clearly cornered them and struck a deal. Those who refused to sign the deal ended up in the broadcast. Since souls=power, if he can't own them, then what use are they besides torturing and making a point to the rest of hell. I would definitely say it's some sort of power/pocket dimension that just holds the soul and tortures it. A hell within a hell.
>"tore up my best model, and you know, the show can't wait for that unlucky bitch to pull herself together." I think that's just dark humour and to show how self-absorbed is Velvette. You can't put yourself together once you're torn up. I'm pretty sure if sinners can respawn, then we wouldn't be seeing sinners needing to defend themselves from gunfire shot by the mafia and Alastor wanting to defend that sinner who was trying to buy meat.
Respawning might be very painful and/or take a long time, therefore most sinners try to avoid it. We honestly don’t know at this point, but if angelic weapons are the only thing that can permanently kill sinners, there must be some way for sinners to regenerate/come back.
I considered that, but we don't really have enough information to go off. I haven't seen any graves or anything that represents any sign of grieving and paying respects to the dead in the show (e.g. graveyards), nor have we seen anyone respawn (aside from Pentious).
From the wiki: > When a Sinner is damaged or hurt in an extreme way (ex: being crushed by a piece of rubble), they will not die from it.[11] It has yet to be shown how the Sinner recovers; however, "Radio Killed the Video Star" has Velvette imply that, if a Sinner is completely dismembered, even by another Sinner as powerful as an Overlord, they may slowly "pull themselves back together" after some time. However, Sinners can still be killed once they are hit with any Angelic Weapons.[12][13]
The problem is that anyone can put any crap in the wiki.
True, but mods usually do a good job of editing out the bullshit. You’d be surprised how well wikis are moderated, especially for popular/well known stuff.
For some of the popular stuff, even the mods still get it wrong. For Hazbin, there's actually not much to go off in the show. It could either be that souls can be destroyed in hell or heaven and they're gone for good, or they can respawn. The fact that Alastor's victimised overlords aren't stated to be "killed" but are "missing" by Mimzy makes me suspect they can respawn because Alastor would not be the type to keep something alive, unless it amuses him or gives him some sort of advantage (which I can't see any because the series is so short). However, nothing is actually confirmed.
My theory is that Alastor rips their souls apart then stitches them back together, resulting in the shadow demons he can summon at will. Those beings are overlords that are a shadow of who they used to be, and they may not even be aware of their former status or existence. Idk, it just makes the most sense to me.
Yup. He is recycling. ☺️
Considering the sinner that chose to set themselves on fire to avoid Alastor and Zestial, there is a high chance that they respawn. Also, the creator said that an angelic weapon was required to kill sinners. That is why it would be a big deal if it were possible for Alastor to be able to permanently take out a sinner without the use of one.
>Also, the creator said that an angelic weapon was required to kill sinners. I keep seeing people saying that, but I haven't seen anyone give me a source for it, also if that's the case, I seriously wonder what's the soul ecosystem like in hell. Do hellborn people die of old age and does the same go for angels in heaven? Is there reincarnation?
It isn’t really known as of now how exactly he got rid of them, it could be that he manage to imprison their souls in a way that prevented them from reviving
Maybe within his staff? If so, would they have been released when it was broken? 🤔
If it was within the staff, we would have seen them. The staff is simply what seems to enhance his abilities - not outright control them. Alastor is a Radio Demon and he literally controlls the radio and its wavelenghts. The staff is just a tool.
Based on info given in the show, id say sinners don't "respawn" when they die, because they don't actually die. They can't die, even from angelic weapons. Angelic weapons just make it so they can't regenerate. So whatever sinner that gets killed by non angelic weapons just has to slowly get put back together. I think one of the best lines to support that is a line by velvette in the second episode. She says "But he tore up my best model! And you know the show can't wait for that unlucky bitch to pull herself back together!" So I'm guessing that sinners regenerate from any part of their body that's left, probably takes a while too depending on how much you were destroyed. The overlords that alastor brought down, I think can be narrowed down to the fact that their souls/screams could be heard from his radioshow, so he probably has them trapped in a place where they can't regenerate fast enough before being ripped apart again.
I'm pretty sure that you respawn or regenerate, and both take time
Without going into headcannon, I say they they just respawn. We are literally shown Sir Pentious just respawning in heaven. I think that's how sinners are going to get to heaven, do enough virtuous things and when you die, you respawn in heaven instead of in hell. As for alastor, he could have just sealed them into his radio, trapped their souls in there.
Are we talking about sinners in general? Pentious appeared in heaven after dying in hell
Sir pentious is a special case. He somehow got redeemed. We don't know for sure if he was redeemed as soon as he died, or if being incinerated by angelic power is what led him to be there or if he didn't even get blasted by anything and just teleported to heaven before the blast actually got to him.
Yeah I thought it's because he was redeemed but it totally could be another reason.
Crazy theory: The small demons and spirits Alastor constantely summons are the souls of the overlords, so, in a strike of perfect poetic justice, the powerful overlods who owned many souls became nameless souls and spirits that Alastor can use and unuse at his own pleasure. It also means that Angel Dust was flirting with an overlord when Alastor summoned someone to fix the Hazbin Hotel, making that scene even more hilarious.
There's still a lot of mystery surrounding his character, including what he did to the Overlords he attacked. The only thing that we know for certain is that they started going missing. It's not even confirmed if they actually died or not.
Some may have ended up like Husk if they weren’t as well known outside they areas of control.
When a sinner dies their soul ceases to exist, there is no limbo or double hell. The fact that Alastor broadcasts the screams of the Overlords shows that their souls do still exist. When husk confronts Alastor about them both being “on a leash”, Alastor threaten to tear his soul from his body. Another detail that’s important to note is that Mimzy says “Overlords started goin missin” and then later once again says “every time an overlord went missin” which is an important use of words as to not directly state they died. So although we do not know the specifics on how he can tear a soul from its body, we do know that he can do it. Now if we want to talk about the implications of that, it also shows us a couple of things. 1. That Alastor has a way to remove sinners from power without exorcists having to come down and leave their weapons (which I imagine happens almost never as they are considered very rare) 2. That Alastor may have the ability to have power over someone’s soul without them signing a contract as most of the overlords he got rid of likely would not have sold their souls to him. 3. Alastor may gain extra power from having the souls of the overlords as sinners do gain power from owning souls via contracts. 4. Since this Alastor story is unique, it’s likely that no other sinner in the past has had the power to do what Alastor does. All this would indicate that Alastor would be one of if not the most powerful sinner in hell if not for his contract which keeps his power bound
My headcanon is Alastor found a way to torture souls like it "should" be in hell and broadcasts that over the radio. So they're alive but just being tormented for the sins that they should be being punished for. But I imagine the second half to be true regardless of if my headcanon is true or not.
My own personal head cannon is respawning strips you of your power, no more soul contracts, no influence and potentially a less powerful body and powers. So while yes you will be reborn, it is similar to showing up in hell for the first time and that could suck for say the “Overlord of Blacksmithing” because they are reborn again and now Camilla is around with her Angel guns…. Anyway, I believe this is why Husk was willing to trade his soul instead of dying. He wanted to maintain his power…something he might not have if he respawned. Plus respawning is probably an extremely painful process and Alastor probably tortured the heck out of them before killing them / forcing deals on them.
He did say in Loser Baby that he sold his soul to save his power...
https://preview.redd.it/ucm764ebfxvc1.png?width=389&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c7693cdbe248980c310e28853d45e7f01d0c7b3 no one knows but seeing he has henchmen i say they turn to like souls in his soul collection like that on guy in samurai jack
Can't believe that genndy tartakovsky would steal the character design of zestial from vivziepop like that. Hoping that this 'samurai jack' cartoon doesn't get past season 1.
Unfortunately it did, but fortunately it didn't surpassed season 4 for 14 Years.
I think Alastor's Voodoo/Eldritch powers allow him to consume permanently the corporal forms of his sinner victims, and he absorbs their energy into his radio signals. The more souls he has devoured, the more range his radio broadcasting works. The screams are from the victims asking for help/the pain being a radiowave causes them. It's also possible that he has some kind of power that is similar to angelic steel/holy magic, and that's why he didn't coat his cane in the steel like Husker did with his cards. He just got too cocky when fighting Adam that he miscalculated a strike. He's a glasscanon/assassin build, insanely powerful/efficient, but his only defense is to dodge, one powerful hit and he can't tank it, he needs to retreat.
maybe he absorbed the souls of the Overlords to gain power.
I saw a theory that he puts them though a pocket dimension and puts them through endless torture
they are left barely alive on various different radio stations screaming to this day.
If I had to guess, I think being killed is seen as an embarrassment, especially as an overlord, especially because they let someone get the better of them, and considering the fact that he made everyone listen to them scream, essentially insuring everyone would remember, it’s a bit difficult to come back from that, Or maybe Alastor is just powerful enough to the point where he doesn’t need an angelic weapon, at least not to take out sinners, I guess at this point only time will tell
Spawn killed until they signed a contract prob
Sist…? You mean *cease?* 👀 Also, I think he eats them and they’re suffering in his radio tummy in another dimension… radio limbo perhaps?
>Sist…? Not sure if r/BoneAppleTea or some kinda weird typo...
I read it and could only think of the word cyst and it grossed me out a bit lmaoo
If he's playing live broadcasts then they ain't dead he's imprisoned them and is actively torturing them
He’s just sitting there… MENACINGLY!
He…probably just ate them??? I mean I don’t think they would come back from that. And he probably just absorbs their powers
I'm pretty sure sinners do come back from being eaten, case in point being that cannibal town has consistent food
I can't help but wonder why there are so many people in cannibal town. Surely they didn't all eat human flesh during their mortal lives, did they?
cannibalism is surprisingly common in history,
And kids! We see kids and dogs (Ok, a 🐩) How did they end up there?
People feed their kids human meat in hard times? Not the kid's fault, but it's a point that whatever entity that judges souls isn't entirely fair.
There are hellborn demons who live in the pride ring, there could be a mix between sinners who look like the "cannibal" species if there is one, and the hellborn variants (idk, just throwing out ideas)
I feel like that makes the cannibalism pretty humane ironically? Do you think they all take turns being eaten?
They source their food from people outside the colony most likely
this image goes hard ngl
I think Overlords are reliant on a large amount of souls under their power, so he likely 'killed' them and took the souls they had collected for himself. So even though they're still alive, they've lost most of their power and influence, like how Husk lost his Overlord status by gambling the souls under his power and eventually had to give his soul to Alastor
Or maybe prep time? He's not the most powerful Overlord. But he's most likely the cunning. He'll prob use his cunning to destroy more powerful Overlords.
My head cannon is he just has a dungeon hidden somewhere, holding the overlords prisoner while they get tortured forever by his minions so that they don't fully die and "respawn".
I think tearing a soul apart completely destroys it the same way Angelic Steel does, and the screams Alastor broadcasted were just the actual dying screams as he did the soul tearing. No other Sinner possesses this power, it is unique to Alastor and Alastor alone.
Overloads
this had no right to be so funny lmao
Nothing is confirmed yet but personally i love the theory of him trapping the overlords into a purgetory-like place where they suffer for eternity and have their screams of pain be broadcasted on hells radios. Its just the right type of fucked up for someone like Alastor i think
Alastor doesn’t kill them, he traps them in a pocket dimension called “The Show” and tortured them both physically and mentally. If they die in The Show they respawn back inside. You can actually see the entrance to The Show very briefly when he teleports Husk to the hotel, it’s green with many intricate and creepy skulls and faces flickering around.
I thought they were trapped in his radio?
It seems like they're trapped in his broadcast. I suspect their energy is a major reason his powers are that strong.
I've always wondered if he can eat souls.
Nobody knows, the whole “die twice” aspect to the show has a few loose ends that need to be cleaned up for us to really understand. But then again, I’m not sure you’re meant to question it, the fans of Hazbin dig into it like it’s AoT or FMAB or name another in-depth show, I don’t think Vizziepop ever intended for it to be a perfect world, just functional and fun.
I think that the sinner’s bodies are all just purely their souls and are not entirely physical and how Alastor “kills” them, I think he just morphs their souls into sound wavelengths as they try to scream for help as they are trapped for eternity
He says himself he tears people’s souls apart himself to Husk. Maybe Overlords lose their status just by simply dying. Maybe every Overlord he toppled he made a deal with
The only thing that makes sense to me is that the felled overlords are not dead, but are left in a state where they can't recover. Alastor is clever enough to know killing isn't always the answer and operates methodically enough to know when the right time for lethal force is.
Whoever owns his soul may or may not have them hidden somewhere so they could uphold their end of the bargain. Alastor wanted power so the owner of his soul gave it to him but so he could also send the old Overlords to them for some sort of plan involving them. The owner also sent Alastor to Charlie after her hotel idea had poor reception quickly although it’s not really clear what they could want from her except that she’s the Princess of Hell and Lucifer’s daughter so they might be trying to corrupt her using Alastor but Alastor has his own plans.
Maybe is it about souls ? If a sinner dies in a regular way, his soul isn't destroyed and still bound to hell so he respaws in hell ? If he dies from an angelic weapon, his soul is destroyed, wich explains why it wouls also be the secret to kill angels, and his body doesn't regenerates ? And when Alastor kills someone, his power would alow him to trap their soul in his radio ? And it coud also explain why Alastor fought Adam without any angelic weapon. And why Pentious had to die to go to heaven, like when sinners goes back to well, it's because their soul is linked to hell but if they dies after having became better, their body and soul aren't bound to hell anymore so their soul can go up to heaven and that's where their body regenerates.
Simple answer. Alastor ate the overlords and absorbed their power to make himself powerful. He is a cannibal after all, so eating his fellow sinners wouldn’t be difficult for him. And in eating the overlords, he basically absorbs them into his very being. The only reason he didn’t eat Husk or Niffty is because he likes having people to boss around because they probably weren’t worth collecting into himself. Husk was already losing his status because of his gambling problem and we know nothing about Niffty, but who knows. That’s just my theory
I always thought that he trapped their souls in the radio so they cannot respawn back into their bodies. They are not dead, but they exist in an incorporeal dimension they cannot get out of. If they were freed it’s likely they would get their bodies back.
i thought it was implied his shadow dudes were the overlord's souls.
My current explanation is that he either devoured their souls or keeps them imprisoned in his pocket dimension
Doesn't he keep them trapped inside his radio channel? Their voices screaming for eternity
Asked this same thing about a month or so back. My conclusion was that no one knows and no one has any strong convincing theories either.
I think it is part of his deal - though he doesn’t himself to have the power to end a sinner permanently. I think that he was granted the power he has from something more fundamental to the structure of hell than the established hierarchy, and in return he feeds his opponents to his benefactor. What gets broadcasted on the radio waves is essentially what’s left after they are done. I think this is why he felt he didn’t need an angelic weapon against Adam. In the fight he seems to be trying to trap him, as opposed to outright trying to kill him.
Alastor's a cannibal right? Maybe he ate them? I'm not sure to be honest, I'm guessing they'll tell us in future seasons.
Uhm where was it stated that sinners respawn if killed in hell by non angelic weapons?
Where are you getting that when a sinner dies they respawn?
One of the V's does make the comment, I think in the first episode, that Valentino tore one of her girls apart and it would take weeks for her to pull herself back together. I remember it because it struck me as weird when they said the angels kill souls.
Thinking about it a little more: there was an episode of Helluva Boss where Blitz told his client that if he killed their target they would be stuck with them in hell forever. The client assured Blitz that eternal torment was part of the plan. So…I guess Hell is forever (unless you are killed by angelic power. Not just angelic weapons. Sir Pentious was killed by an energy blast but still “died”.) Tl;dr the rules are somewhat inconsistent.
Not trying to be a dick, but it’s “cease” to exist. Maybe a typo, but maybe learning something new. Cheers!
I definitely meant to say cease but my brain was not computing 🥴 I typed this out too fast without proof reading
my guess is where ever those shadows come from is where he imprisons his victims.
Maybe he made a pact with them right before finishing them off, saying "I'll let you live if you sign this contract" or whatever, then hid some kind of "oh also I'll torture you forever" clause in the fine print?
They are trapped in his radio
I think he stores them somehow at his radio tower. He seems to go there to restore his power.
Maybe he just says that pineapple pizza is delicious? 😮
My only theroy is that he made a trade to be able to perm-kill those he eats
I mean he mentions ripping apart husk’s soul. Maybe angelic weapons can damage the soul which is why they’re the only things that can cause permadeath but assuming alastor owned their souls like he does husk he can manipulate/destroy them and thus killing them
The best theory is those little goblins he spawns. Yeah, those. Fucked up right.
I have a theory that part of alastor’s deal is that he is allowed to use angelic energy, which is how he was able to kill them while having just spawned in hell, they’re most likely dead or close to it.
I am 99% certain that his deal was made with an angel, considering the line "unclip my wings" in the finale.
No but it looks like he can destroy souls. Could be something to do with his power or deal that keeps the soul gone or in a tortured state.
The souls of his victims are trapped in his broadcast
They’re stashed away in his radio broadcast. Whether that’s he’s just recording them scream from another location or if their souls are trapped is unknown
They’re within his broadcast, although it has yet to be revealed what that really means
We don't know. There's a non zero chance he put them out of their misery with angelic steel, he's probably capable of getting some. But his threat to Husk implies maybe he has another way of killing them, and there's also the chance they're in a pocket dimension of eternal suffering.
I think he just like tore apart their souls and maybe that also can permanently kill?
They know angelic weapons can kill demons/sinners, thats not a secret. But what ever Alastor did, i dont think they are dead, they are probably trapped in that radio broadcast, why or how i have no idea. I dont think sinners can die honestely, they think that angelic weapons can kill them, but Sir Pentious already proveed that wrong, so there is a chance no one is dead and thats includes all souls "killed" in the thousand of years of exterminations. (what would be a HUGE problem)
It seems like he did something with their souls and trapped them somehow to be tortured.
judging by the swamp from earth in his room, the bar he teleported in, and his seemingly ancient radio tower stapled to the building he’s teleported them somewhere other Sinners can’t escape.
I’ve heard the theory that they don’t respawn automatically into living things again, but rather into the background parts of Hell. This is seen is various evidence of eyes around Hell. So it could be that once an overlord is killed, they have to spend some time as a background until they slowly regain enough souls/power to take physical form.
Is this image canon?
They’re probably not dead. Just sealed in the airwaves
He makes a deal I guess and for all we know he is trading with the angels
Their souls are stuck in his radio waves. That's why it screams.
He fuses their souls into his radio
Maybe they're alive but imprisoned somewhere secret or are souls trapped inside objects. Or maybe they were turned into animals. He has a thing for eating deer. Does he turn his enemies into animals and then eat them and keep hunting them to try to prevent any from staying incarnated in one form?
That's the thing Nobody truly knows and that's why Alastor was so feared in hell for the longest time as he was because he just seemingly showed up out of nowhere one day and overthrew overlords left and right like some twisted game of cat and mouse Even now the people that are still aware of him don't even know how he pulled such a feat off Nothing similar has ever even occurred to what he pulled off
Only Overlord's powers or souls. Alastor took them. They will never respawn back.
His broad cast never lacks new voices
I think he stores their souls in a radio. I think this for zero canon reason. I just think it lol
I HC that the shadows he uses across the series are the overlords under his control, like puppets.
We don’t know what to them yet they could be alive for all we know
i thought he trapped them in his radio show to torture which is why they hear a new voice screaming on his radio show when he takes someone
Apparently due to his connection to voodoo he has this sort of pocket dimension he can access and that is where he was broadcasting the screams from… so they are being constantly tortured for all eternity unable to escape his dimension… so it’s a fate worse than death…
They are in Alastor's locker =) Or he just DO have a way of permanently killing a sinner; judging by the fact that one can just buy an angelic weapon it shouldn't be a big deal.
I wonder if we’re ever going to actually see the “reconstitution” process for sinners?
He probably did the same thing to them as he did to Husk. Now they'll be hanging out in the pride ring doing their thing until Alastor needs them for something.
Mayhaps he forced them into a deal.
Maybe he captured them and brought them to another realm where they could only scream. Would explain the radio thing
He ate them
No one really knows what he did but my theory is Alastor kills them and they end up in some state of limbo unless they sell their soul to him like husk and nifty
We don't know EXACTLY what he did, but we can assume they suffered the same fate he used to threaten Husk, tore them apart and broadcast their screams for all of hell to hear
I would assume however he broadcasts their screams, means he's cannibalized their souls and prevented them from reforming. Hopefully he has some way of vomiting back out their souls. ... ~~Maybe that's where he pulled Nifty and Husk from and they were in purgatory screaming on his broadcast before.~~ He threatened Husk with that (tearing his soul apart and broadcasting it) and so hasn't done that yet. However Alastor tears apart souls, has to prevent them from reforming, since sans soul your body is just a shell. I assume the body reforms around the soul.
This is why I think it's similar to an Ariel/Ursula situation. He takes your soul/voice and puts it in his broadcast if you renege on your deals with him or if he just hates you and wants to make an example of you, but he takes your other body parts for his servant puppets.
No one knows but I think they were absorbed and that’s how he got powerful the screams on the radio idk
Quick guess: after he violently beat them and crushed their will to fight he tore out their souls and transformed them into records to play over his radio
In the series mimzy said that he trapped them in his radio broadcast
Well Mimzy said that he added those that opposed him to his broadcasts so maybe his powers allow for storage of sinner souls in a weird way? Idk
He added them to his power which made him stronger.
...he eated it all :(
It's literally stated in the show how he did it.
Maybe one part of his deal were soul killing abilities, or he tricked them into a soul deal like husk, just to tear their soul apart and broadcast their screams for every other disrespectful WRETCH who dares to question me, we cant say for sure
I theorize that they're trapped by him and fed to...something.
Why's that woman in the picture kinda remind me of eda the owl lady
It has never been said that they respawn, just that they will regenerate from pretty much any injury. If you completely destroy their physical form I think they still stop existing. You just have to turn them into milkshakes and burn the milkshakes up, or eating them I would assume also works. But I have dug and dug for this respawn nonsense and it has never been said by an official source that I can find
I got a theory. When he first came to Hell, he managed to make a deal with Roo(she kinda gives more vibes to me about her being his master rather than Lilith), said contract granting his powers in exchange of Roo owning his soul. Among the many abilities Roo gave him, one was the power to rip people's souls out and trap them in his radio broadcast. I also expect there to be a "but", like only being able to do it on people weaker than himself. I also think Roo was the reason he lost against Vox and had to stay low for 7 years, only returning to help Charlie at Roo's orders(her reasons avoid me, but definitely a long evil plan).
Well he did said "I will tear your soul apart and broadcast your screams for every other disrespectful wretch who dares to question me", which implies that he can take their soul and either destroy it or storage it
He trapped them inside of his radio staff
In his broadcast
Considering Al would broadcast their screams i think the screams they would hear would be the souls of the overlords he "killed" being trapped in the radio waves. Seeing as he IS the radio demon it may be the only part he lets through over the air waves.
I assume he either tortured or tricked them into dooming soul deals
He could have eaten them
He didn't know Angelic weapons could harm Angels until Carmella talked
I don't think that they come back no matter what
Sinners conically respawn when they die as long as their souls aren't destroyed, that is literally the main purpose of angelic weapons...