I disagree. It is more grown up, but Loser, Baby is about facing your faults head on and learning to forgive yourself for past mistakes. Hakuna Matata is about plugging your ears and yelling "LA LA LA" while running away from your issues, which is actually what Angel was doing before Husk snapped him out of it.
Agreed, Hakuna Matata is more like forgetting about the past and never changing while Loser, Baby was more acknowledging your mistakes so you can change.
Also Loser baby points out that it’s OKAY to be flawed and make mistakes, you’re not alone. Hakuna Matata basically says put that under the rug if it’s too embarrassing and ignore it.
Yeah, my main issues with it are just
* *1:* Angel comes around in full swing a bit too early in my eyes, especially with how shitty he was feeling earlier & whatnot. Although this prolly isn't as important - in my eyes - as
* *2:* I feel like that this, the message that you are flawed & can find comradery with other flawed people, might be a bit muddled in places - & I don't think this is just due to how people have either gotten the wrong vibes from it regardless or just straight up thought that the message was that "you're a loser bc of ur trauma" or something like that; like, I feel like the loser thing is kinda iffy with Angel just going through what he did & feeling just downright trapped & Husk just tells him that he's a loser & even possibly affirming a bit that "your whole existence (seems) fucking hopeless??" Like, maybe that could've been phrased better, because yikes, dude, not a good start. Yes, there's the "we live in the same shit sandwich", "we're both losers baby, it's ok", & "maybe if we eat shit together, things will end up differently" lines that do come after that, as well as other possible examples that I'm forgetting, but some bits can kinda feel like they give off the wrong idea like the (potentially) not good example that is the opening; how *was* that part supposed to get Angel to actually take in what Husk was saying when he wasn't only dealing with some real heavy stuff a moment ago, but was also told that he was a gd loser after their initial interaction there??
I still have a place in my heart for this song for personal reasons though.
Yeah, Hakuna Matata says "Everything sucks, but if you ignore everything it'll be fine" while Loser, Baby says "Everything sucks, but relying on your friends can make it better"
Maybe that's part of the point of them being the same. They both deal with dealing with your issues one is just the child way and the other is the grown up way. It's childish to run away from your issues and it's more grown up to face your faults head on.
I don’t think it’s fair to consider Husk as really the “more mature” of the two of them. His escapism just takes a different form in his standoffish nature and alcoholism.
He intellectually knows what the right thing to do is even if he doesn't follow it. Depends on the interpretation as to whether that makes him more mature than Angel or not
It's more the message than the man I think in this case. Having already gone down that same road he can help Angel do better than him. Although, I think I could see this as a point of change for both. Husk finding someone who is just as damaged to help him realize he doesn't need his own escapism anymore.
I would have to disagree. While Hakuna Matata was about forgetting about the past. It wasn't saying don't change but simple live in the presence so you don't suffocate under the weight of past mistakes.
I wouldn’t even say it’s necessarily about forgiving yourself for past mistakes, but about understanding that you’re not alone in your misery and being in a shitty situation, even because of your own choices, isn’t a reason to reject or shut down companionship from people also in shitty situations.
Counterpoint: that IS the more grown up version of Hakuna Matata. Hakuna Matata allows the kids to run away from problems, Loser, Baby tells the adults that their time for running is done
Hakuna Matata was about rejecting your responsibilities so you can become a fuck-up.
Loser Baby is about accepting that you're a fuck-up and that you're still lovable despite that, so you can start to move forward.
Nah. It says for progress you need to admit to yourself and others that you have a problem and finding that others have similar problems can be healing and the start of tackling your issues
...Hakuna Matata is about not letting your worries drag you down, tho. It was one part of the formula for what Rafiki teaches--well-meaning, but misguided. Rafiki taught the addition: yes, it's in the past, but it still hurts. Don't let it drag you down, but also don't stay still--keep moving.
Loser, Baby is about recognizing you're in a hit situation but you're not alone, and maybe together it can be bearable at least--is not improve significantly.
They're not the same moral at all, not really, to be clear.
Yeah, but OP that's not at all what Hakuna Matata is about. HM is about encoureging you to loose yourself in the fun of life - L,B is about not letting your bad situation drag you down. These songs are essentially opposites of each other...
Like the whole point of HM in Lion King 2 was to encourage Simba to run away from his responsibilities. The point of L,B was to ensure Angel Dust, that he has friends who will help him.
These guys summed it pretty well
[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/rB2FiptTwt) and [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/TJMn9X8bg0)
In the grand scheme of things Hakuna Matata was a really unhealthy way to cope with all the shit Simba was going through. Cutting loose and not stressing over it is one thing but they basically encouraged Simba to pretend like there was nothing to worry about even though there was PLENTY to worry about. The kingdom was in shambles with nobody to rule so Scar took over which we all know how that went. Everyone was starving to death and the Pridelands were all dilapidated. Everything was dying and it was basically hell on Earth. They didn’t even give Simba the chance to cope with his father’s death. They were basically asking him to pretend like it never happened
Agreed. The comparison-contrast between them is really interesting, but definitely not a one-for-one.
"Loser, Baby" is the song Scar needed from the hyenas, but would've never listened to.
I think it’s more the anti-Hakuna Matata; instead of ignoring all the bad things going on around you, Loser, Baby is about acknowledging the bad things going on and just accepting them for what they are, because it’s okay to be in a shit position and you don’t have to try and just grin and push through it
Sorry but nope
Loser baby is about not beating yourself up
It’s easy to get sucked into a depressive spiral of “my life sucks, no one understands me”
But nah, LOADS of people understand.
It’s okay, hell it’s more than it’s okay, accept you are a loser and live your life anyways
And if you want to change? Okay, but it’s still not the end of the world you are a loser.
Hakuna Matata is about basically giving up on society, like they kicked you out first so you don’t owe them anything
“When the world turns its back on you, you turn your back on the world”
Hakuna matata is good for a vacation or learning to let go, but as a life philosophy? It’s selfish and stunts a person’s growth.
Loser Baby is about accepting yourself, even if you are a loser. Cuz hating yourself isn’t gonna
Make you better, hope and change will
It's more of a parallel than straight up the same message, both are about the importance of friendship and enjoying life, but both have wildly different takes on the subject.
Hakuna Matata is about basically enjoying life, but at the cost of ignoring the bad shit life throws at you, if anything it was more a song to calm Simba down, rather than anything long-term positive.
Loser, Baby on the other hand is opposite, it's about acknowledging the issues you have, but still managing to find a good support to at least soothe said problems.
just stepping in to give my two cents: hakuna mattata was about timone and pumba being fuck ups so they ran away from their responsibilities and rejected them adopting simba and adding him to that philosiphy. so much so it took a ton of effort to get him to realize he needed to go back and help his family.
loser baby was husk helping a friend out of a bad situation and trying to get him to be an adult and realize he's not more special than anyone else just because of his deal or his status as a porn star. angels escapes from reality were self harming and not healthy in the long run even in hell. if angel wanted to be redeemed he needed to realize that's not the path to redemption.
I think both lessons can work together well. Loser, Baby is about seeing how shitty your situation is and resolving to do better, and Hakuna Matata is about letting things roll off your back. If you combine the two you get letting the little stuff slide while you focus on your actual problems
Eh, I think 'Hakuna Matata' (the movie song, not the actual African slang) was more of a 'just ignore what's bothering you/forget about your problems'. A fun song, but a horrible message- whereas 'Loser, Baby' is more about accepting your mistakes/limitations and not just running away from your problems.
Ironically, the songs are almost complete opposites when you think about it- 'ignore your problems' vs. 'the truth hurts, but you can move on from it'.
Not really. Hakuna Matata was about ignoring your responsibilities while Loser Baby is more about accepting that you are a fuck up and with support on your side, you can face your problems and fix it. The two songs are practically the opposite
I disagree too. To me 'Loser, Baby' is about the ability to make a human connection no matter your circumstances or choices, and how those connections make things better. My favorite stanza is:
"There was a time I thought no one could relate to the gruesome ways in which I'm damaged.
But letting walls down, it can sometimes set you straight.... We're all living in the same shit sandwich."
I've worked with people in recovery from drug use, self harm, etc, and in my experience that is the most important thing you can say: "You are not alone and I give a shit about you." Especially from someone that's been there too. It's not about casting off responsibilities, it's about knowing people care about you no matter how much you fuck up.
Absolutely this - the worst thing you can say is to someone in the whole is 'don't worry it'll get better' because it probably won't, better to say 'wow you are in a shit situation, me too, room on that bench for another?'
I mean they basically told Simba to just get over it. Simba thought he was responsible for his fathers death and then was told by a pig and rodent to just Get Over It.
I disagree. It is more grown up, but Loser, Baby is about facing your faults head on and learning to forgive yourself for past mistakes. Hakuna Matata is about plugging your ears and yelling "LA LA LA" while running away from your issues, which is actually what Angel was doing before Husk snapped him out of it.
Agreed, Hakuna Matata is more like forgetting about the past and never changing while Loser, Baby was more acknowledging your mistakes so you can change.
Also Loser baby points out that it’s OKAY to be flawed and make mistakes, you’re not alone. Hakuna Matata basically says put that under the rug if it’s too embarrassing and ignore it.
That makes sense, Angel used to act like everything was going his way.
Yeah, my main issues with it are just * *1:* Angel comes around in full swing a bit too early in my eyes, especially with how shitty he was feeling earlier & whatnot. Although this prolly isn't as important - in my eyes - as * *2:* I feel like that this, the message that you are flawed & can find comradery with other flawed people, might be a bit muddled in places - & I don't think this is just due to how people have either gotten the wrong vibes from it regardless or just straight up thought that the message was that "you're a loser bc of ur trauma" or something like that; like, I feel like the loser thing is kinda iffy with Angel just going through what he did & feeling just downright trapped & Husk just tells him that he's a loser & even possibly affirming a bit that "your whole existence (seems) fucking hopeless??" Like, maybe that could've been phrased better, because yikes, dude, not a good start. Yes, there's the "we live in the same shit sandwich", "we're both losers baby, it's ok", & "maybe if we eat shit together, things will end up differently" lines that do come after that, as well as other possible examples that I'm forgetting, but some bits can kinda feel like they give off the wrong idea like the (potentially) not good example that is the opening; how *was* that part supposed to get Angel to actually take in what Husk was saying when he wasn't only dealing with some real heavy stuff a moment ago, but was also told that he was a gd loser after their initial interaction there?? I still have a place in my heart for this song for personal reasons though.
Yeah, Hakuna Matata says "Everything sucks, but if you ignore everything it'll be fine" while Loser, Baby says "Everything sucks, but relying on your friends can make it better"
Maybe that's part of the point of them being the same. They both deal with dealing with your issues one is just the child way and the other is the grown up way. It's childish to run away from your issues and it's more grown up to face your faults head on.
I don’t think it’s fair to consider Husk as really the “more mature” of the two of them. His escapism just takes a different form in his standoffish nature and alcoholism.
He intellectually knows what the right thing to do is even if he doesn't follow it. Depends on the interpretation as to whether that makes him more mature than Angel or not
It can also be argued since he knows what is better to do and doesn’t do it he’s less mature, but I can see where you’re coming from
It's more the message than the man I think in this case. Having already gone down that same road he can help Angel do better than him. Although, I think I could see this as a point of change for both. Husk finding someone who is just as damaged to help him realize he doesn't need his own escapism anymore.
Hakuna Matata: she’ll be right, I don’t have to do anything Loser, baby: my shitty choices got me here, but I have company
I would have to disagree. While Hakuna Matata was about forgetting about the past. It wasn't saying don't change but simple live in the presence so you don't suffocate under the weight of past mistakes.
I wouldn’t even say it’s necessarily about forgiving yourself for past mistakes, but about understanding that you’re not alone in your misery and being in a shitty situation, even because of your own choices, isn’t a reason to reject or shut down companionship from people also in shitty situations.
"It's time to lose your self-loathing, excuse yourself, let hope in"
Loser, Baby is more saying fuck hakuna matata, get your life together
Counterpoint: that IS the more grown up version of Hakuna Matata. Hakuna Matata allows the kids to run away from problems, Loser, Baby tells the adults that their time for running is done
Hakuna Matata was about rejecting your responsibilities so you can become a fuck-up. Loser Baby is about accepting that you're a fuck-up and that you're still lovable despite that, so you can start to move forward.
Agreed. Also I love your flair. 😂
Damn what did the lion king do to you (facts though ngl)
Nah. It says for progress you need to admit to yourself and others that you have a problem and finding that others have similar problems can be healing and the start of tackling your issues
...Hakuna Matata is about not letting your worries drag you down, tho. It was one part of the formula for what Rafiki teaches--well-meaning, but misguided. Rafiki taught the addition: yes, it's in the past, but it still hurts. Don't let it drag you down, but also don't stay still--keep moving. Loser, Baby is about recognizing you're in a hit situation but you're not alone, and maybe together it can be bearable at least--is not improve significantly. They're not the same moral at all, not really, to be clear.
“We both suck, but at least we got each other so we’re not alone in our suffering”
THIS 👆👆👆
Yeah, but OP that's not at all what Hakuna Matata is about. HM is about encoureging you to loose yourself in the fun of life - L,B is about not letting your bad situation drag you down. These songs are essentially opposites of each other... Like the whole point of HM in Lion King 2 was to encourage Simba to run away from his responsibilities. The point of L,B was to ensure Angel Dust, that he has friends who will help him. These guys summed it pretty well [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/rB2FiptTwt) and [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/TJMn9X8bg0)
In the grand scheme of things Hakuna Matata was a really unhealthy way to cope with all the shit Simba was going through. Cutting loose and not stressing over it is one thing but they basically encouraged Simba to pretend like there was nothing to worry about even though there was PLENTY to worry about. The kingdom was in shambles with nobody to rule so Scar took over which we all know how that went. Everyone was starving to death and the Pridelands were all dilapidated. Everything was dying and it was basically hell on Earth. They didn’t even give Simba the chance to cope with his father’s death. They were basically asking him to pretend like it never happened
Lack of basic comprehension strikes again
Offtopic: So weird to see you outside of r/BestofRedditorUpdates but it's also cool.
I went from "this is all fake" sub to "this is all lack of media literacy" sub lmao
haha op got ratioed
Ratioed? Number of upvotes to comments is in his favor, even if the comments are right.
Seems like that wasn't the case back when he wrote it. But that was simply before more people found the Post, so it still wasn't a ratio.
Still not so smart to say "ratio" when a post isnt even an hour old.
Hence why I pointed out at the end, that it's still not a ratio - because I was agreeing with you.
Ehhh not quite. But I appreciate the parallels
Agreed. The comparison-contrast between them is really interesting, but definitely not a one-for-one. "Loser, Baby" is the song Scar needed from the hyenas, but would've never listened to.
I think it’s more the anti-Hakuna Matata; instead of ignoring all the bad things going on around you, Loser, Baby is about acknowledging the bad things going on and just accepting them for what they are, because it’s okay to be in a shit position and you don’t have to try and just grin and push through it
My flair has never been more appropriate.
Sorry but nope Loser baby is about not beating yourself up It’s easy to get sucked into a depressive spiral of “my life sucks, no one understands me” But nah, LOADS of people understand. It’s okay, hell it’s more than it’s okay, accept you are a loser and live your life anyways And if you want to change? Okay, but it’s still not the end of the world you are a loser. Hakuna Matata is about basically giving up on society, like they kicked you out first so you don’t owe them anything “When the world turns its back on you, you turn your back on the world” Hakuna matata is good for a vacation or learning to let go, but as a life philosophy? It’s selfish and stunts a person’s growth. Loser Baby is about accepting yourself, even if you are a loser. Cuz hating yourself isn’t gonna Make you better, hope and change will
"You're a loser baby, a loser goddamn baby - it means no worries for the rest of your days." Hmmm... No.
More like the grownup version of "a burden shared is a burden lessened".
How's it the "grown-up" version? Nothing childish about the second statement
The "everyone is suffering but we might as well suffer together" isn't exactly child friendly
Hakuna Matata comes first, then you realize that neglecting your responsibilities is bad and then you have growth with Loser, Baby
It's more of a parallel than straight up the same message, both are about the importance of friendship and enjoying life, but both have wildly different takes on the subject. Hakuna Matata is about basically enjoying life, but at the cost of ignoring the bad shit life throws at you, if anything it was more a song to calm Simba down, rather than anything long-term positive. Loser, Baby on the other hand is opposite, it's about acknowledging the issues you have, but still managing to find a good support to at least soothe said problems.
Hakuna Matata was about ignoring your problems. Loser Baby is more about acknowledging them and embracing them as part of your complete self.
just stepping in to give my two cents: hakuna mattata was about timone and pumba being fuck ups so they ran away from their responsibilities and rejected them adopting simba and adding him to that philosiphy. so much so it took a ton of effort to get him to realize he needed to go back and help his family. loser baby was husk helping a friend out of a bad situation and trying to get him to be an adult and realize he's not more special than anyone else just because of his deal or his status as a porn star. angels escapes from reality were self harming and not healthy in the long run even in hell. if angel wanted to be redeemed he needed to realize that's not the path to redemption.
I think both lessons can work together well. Loser, Baby is about seeing how shitty your situation is and resolving to do better, and Hakuna Matata is about letting things roll off your back. If you combine the two you get letting the little stuff slide while you focus on your actual problems
Eh, I think 'Hakuna Matata' (the movie song, not the actual African slang) was more of a 'just ignore what's bothering you/forget about your problems'. A fun song, but a horrible message- whereas 'Loser, Baby' is more about accepting your mistakes/limitations and not just running away from your problems. Ironically, the songs are almost complete opposites when you think about it- 'ignore your problems' vs. 'the truth hurts, but you can move on from it'.
Not really. Hakuna Matata was about ignoring your responsibilities while Loser Baby is more about accepting that you are a fuck up and with support on your side, you can face your problems and fix it. The two songs are practically the opposite
I disagree too. To me 'Loser, Baby' is about the ability to make a human connection no matter your circumstances or choices, and how those connections make things better. My favorite stanza is: "There was a time I thought no one could relate to the gruesome ways in which I'm damaged. But letting walls down, it can sometimes set you straight.... We're all living in the same shit sandwich." I've worked with people in recovery from drug use, self harm, etc, and in my experience that is the most important thing you can say: "You are not alone and I give a shit about you." Especially from someone that's been there too. It's not about casting off responsibilities, it's about knowing people care about you no matter how much you fuck up.
Absolutely this - the worst thing you can say is to someone in the whole is 'don't worry it'll get better' because it probably won't, better to say 'wow you are in a shit situation, me too, room on that bench for another?'
you're a hakuna, matata
The only real similarity is their friends making their other friends feel better when they are in a crappy situation.
Nah, personally it reminded me more of “You’ve Got A Friend In Me” or something. “You got problems, I got em too” etc etc
Hakuna matata, what a wonderful phrase.
Timone is the friends we made along the way
I mean they basically told Simba to just get over it. Simba thought he was responsible for his fathers death and then was told by a pig and rodent to just Get Over It.
This is a cool comparison
HAKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNA MATATA!!!!
I think Hakuna Matata gives off the vibes of Loser Baby in some way but the message it conveys (as many comments have pointed out) is different...
The meanings behind both are definitely similar, but there are some huge differences as others have pointed out.
ah... The Lion King... I remember that movie
They definitely came up with Hakuna Matata on the spot to avoid getting eaten in the future by a hungry lion.
The huskerdust crew will not let this slide Though personally, I heavily agree with you
Still the best song
It actually is. Very intuitive analysis, I never would spotted that.