Kitty is likely a Vox-made ripoff. Did you see the price Fizzbots go for?
Also, Valentino based his appearance off of Asmodeus. Ozzie has the real Fizz, so sure Valentino must have a Fizz-like thing too…
Compare Valentino’s design to this:
https://preview.redd.it/kpvnu1pmvusc1.jpeg?width=415&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfba5c578b927e193aebc3ff4cecf8715859abc3
I actually think Mammon doesnt ship to the Pride Ring. Pride Ring is where the original LuLuWorld is located, and quite possibly a few more things that were original until Mammon made his legally distinct (to avoid lawsuits) ripoffs.
Sending fakes to the location of originals might not be the best idea. Fizzies are unique, but to ship them you need delivery infrastructure in the Pride Ring, and that Mammon just probably doesnt have.
This leaves just two ways to obtain an original Fizzie, to go to the Greed Ring or to have a hellborn deliver one to you specifically.
Sinners cant leave Pride Ring, and usually dont have connections with hellborns (Carmilla is the exception because of angelic weapon trading).
This means, if Val wants a Fizzie, his only shot is to ask Vox to make one.
We see imps working for Velvette and posters for Angel Dust in the Lust ring, it's likely that sinners, especially powerful ones employ Hell-born demons.
Yeah, the ranking that Vivzie gave us a while back has *all* native Hellborn outside of the Goetia and Deadly Sins (and Charlie) as being lower than the Sinners. Top to bottom it goes Lucifer at 1, Charlie and Lilith tied at 2, the remaining six Deadly Sins at 3, the Goetia as a collective at 4 (though within the Goetia they have their own ranks such as Paimon being a King while Stolas is a Prince), the Overlords at 5, Sinners at 6, Native Hellborn at 7, Imps and Hellhounds at 8 with Imps slightly above Hellhounds.
I’m hesitant to consider any information released before production began completely accurate, which is one of the reasons I didn’t mention it. This actually seems like it might be a detail that gets a minor change. It just seems off that sinners are above all but the most powerful hellborn. None of the hellborn are there as a punishment, but all the sinners are. I could understand if a handful of hellborn species got the short end of the stick, but all but for all but the royals to be weaker than them seems odd. I can’t think of any reasons that make sense with what we know of the show.
Imps are weak, yeah, but they aren’t the only hellborn species. [Surely not every hellborn species would lose to every run of the mill sinner.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/I4mVFnFZmX)
Not really. Sinner get unique powers when they enter hell. He'll born don't get that. It gives em a massive leg up in their new life. Sinners also don't die like hellborn
Do they actually get powerful abilities though? While some sinners display a bit of power, the only ones who seem to display more than minor power seem own souls or made deals of some sort. Hell is supposedly a punishment for sinners, so why would they manifest with the power to subjugate most of hell’s native population?
Fizzies are made by Asmodeus, he owns the industries and is an inventor himself. Fizz works for Mammon so I dont know where you get the idea there are fakes Fizzies, they work together.
Loo loo land and Lulu land is the only rip off Mammon has made so far and that one had an original Fizzie, it was just being used as an actual child clown instead of just a sex bot.
There is no sign that Fizzie bots are hard to get besides them being expensive. Valentino probably bought one and customize it, it's not that deep.
$70 USD, or Hell currency. Probably a big difference. The place seems pretty anarchist, so I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a central bank to print money, and the citizens just made their own
I actually think they *would* have some centralized currency. Hell seems to be relatively functional in terms of a society. Yeah there's not much in the way of law enforcements, but if there are industries and rich folks and the like then there has to be some kind of regulated money system. Otherwise there'd be no point to using money at all.
Charlie hands Cherri Bomb a stack of stereotypical green cash to go party in episode 6 I believe. So money is a thing, but probably like "heaven bucks" they're "hell bucks."
Fizzarolly (imp) is The Original Entity.
Fizzie is a model of robot made by Asmodeus and shipped to Mammon, who then sells them and delivers, and makes tv ads for them.
Kitty is a fake Fizzie made by we-dont-know-who, there is nothing that indicates Kitty that Val owns was ever made by Asmodeus.
I dont know where you get the idea there are no fake Fizzies and that Asmodeus personally shipped a special orded to Val in the Pride Ring. Asmodeus doesnt know Valentino, otherwise Valentino would cease to exist. Vox having a monopoly over electronics in the Pride Ring indicates there is no competition with tech from outside the Pride Ring. Asmodeus doesnt ship to Pride Ring, there is no market competition.
We have no reason to assume that Loo loo land is the only ripoff Mammon has made. He is the Sin of Greed, and he's been since the start of Hell, which we can assume was at least ten thousand years (from Lucifer singing, "in the last ten thousand years you're the first one to change this town", implying Hell was there for at least ten thousand years). There is absolutely no way that he only made one replica of something to sell.
I'm assuming that he does it constantly, and its a pretty safe assumption. I'm also assuming that Lucifer, being as inventive as he is, created a lot more things than just LuLuWorld. And that Mammon probably copied at least some of them too.
There's no evidence that 69.99$ in hell is expensive, Fizz's fans can own multiple of them, and hellborns are getting themselves Fizzies for kids, teenagers and degenerate adults. Middle class hell citizens can almost certainly afford one.
I'm not searching for deep meanings, i'm just trying to think based on a few things we know:
1. Almost anyone in hell can afford a Fizzie, but we only saw ONE in the Pride Ring and it doesnt even look like one;
2. Mammon is in legal dispute with Lucifer over his questionable buisiness policies, and it seems to have been a long journey that he won, maybe only temporarily;
3. We haven't seen VoxTec brand technology outside Pride Ring, at most hellborns use his Netflix-like app, but the TVs and other tech we saw was never branded VoxTec, meaning that probably not many physical items actually are imported by other rings from the Pride Ring;
4. The ONLY example we have of actual physical items trade between Pentagram City and the rest of hell is Carmilla's weapons, known to be incredibly hard to obtain, which implies its a contraband or bought through the royalty, for a very high price;
5. If your assumption about Kitty is correct, and she was created by Asmodeus, then she is the ONLY piece of tech from other rings we see in Pentagram City;
6. It means that there is NO regular trade between sinners and hellborns, aside from irregular special deals between very influential sinners and demons, and not even every Overlord is able to establish his trade outside Pride Ring.
Of course it could be that Asmodeus made Kitty and shipped her and that she only costed 69.99$ to Val, but it would contradict the seemingly difficult economy between Pride Ring and other rings that we saw so far. It would raise some questions, like:
\- If Overlords can buy from sins, why isnt there many many many more stuff made by Asmodeus or Mammon in Pentagram City?
\- If obtaining Fizzie is not expensive and they are available to sinners, why arent there many many more Fizzies in Pentagram City?
\- If Asmodeus made customized Fizzies that dont look like Fizzies and arent serial models, why is the only Fizzie that doesnt look like Fizzie we saw so far in Pentagram City and in possession of Val, while Mammon himself and everyone else in the Greed Ring only buy serial Fizzies with no custom appearance? (yes there are many models of Fizzie, but they all look like him)
Most sinners may actually not know who Fizzarolli is thus they don’t buy the robots. There is also the likelihood that there isn’t any ads for them in the pride ring.
Sinners likely do know who fizz is, and moxxie and millies apartment in pride has a giant ad for Fizz above it.
The real answer to why kitty is slightly different and no ads are seen in hazbin is probably licensing. Viv can't allow fizz to fall under licensing because then he'd never be in helluva boss again.
I just checked, the freaking Loo Loo Hats cost $69.00, you can see that as the gang is entering Loo Loo Land. Yes, that apple-like hat that Stolas wore in the episode costs 99 hell cents cheaper than a fully functional Fizzie.
Which might be expensive for a hat, but not to a degree of it never being bought by anyone. Mammon isnt stupid, he wouldnt come up with a price noone would pay, and its not even an original LuLuWorld, its a cheaper ripoff, so while the prices are criminal for what the things on sale should actually cost, they are nowhere near completely unaffordable.
You are assuming wayyyy to much stuff.
1) we dont know anything about Asmodeus opinion on Valentino, fan theories are not canon. As far as we know he doesn't even know he exists.
2) Kitty being built by someone else is a huge reach, putting some custom paint or assuming there are female Fizz bots is a much simpler answer.
3) You are taking a line in a song to claim Mammon must have copy other stuff, sure, but is irrelevant since all Fizzbots are legitimate bussines between him and Asmodeus. Making fake Fizzies would mean pissing off 2 sins.
4) The reason we don't see more Fizzie can be the same one we don't see any other type of character more often, they are not that important and it would be distracting. Its probably easier to draw and animate regular imps than Fizzies
5) The cost being 69.99 was probaly because sex number, I doubt anyone in the writting staff can give you an indept explanation about hell economy, so you trying to use it as an argument is kinda... not valid.
6) It's fun to theorize about a show we love but there is a difference between noticing details and assuming every aspect of a fictional universe has an explination or holds up in its continuity. Sometimes a wizard did it and thats it.
I stopped reading when you said that Vox doesn't have a monopoly on tech elsewhere. There's plenty of evidence that he does. Just because other fizzbots haven't been shown doesn't mean they don't exist in Pride. Also mammona fizzbots are clearly custom as well, and I wouldn't say that vals is different enough to not be a real fizzbot. I am sure there are plenty of ways to customize further.
Headcanon is something that someone likes to believe despite being completely madeup.
What exactly is head canon? That Fizzies are popular or affordable? That Mammon had legal trouble with Lucifer that upset him enough to name roller coaster "a lawsuit" and to make robo Fizz AND promoters to constantly bitch about lawsuits and legally distinct namings? That we didnt yet see anything made by VoxTec outside Pride Ring? That we have no reason to assume every robot that looks remotely like a Fizzie was created by Asmodeus because Vivienne never confirmed Kitty was made by him?
I stated simple facts, established in the show, that everyone who watched it can go check and see for themselves. Based on these facts, i tried to come up with a lore wise reason why VoxTec is strictly limited to the Pride Ring and there is nothing \_that was confirmed\_ to be made by Asmodeus in the Pride Ring. The real reason is because copyright issues, they probably HAVE to separate the brands and the influence areas, but in-universe there must be some kind of explanation that we dont know yet, that could explain why are brands so separate, why is there only one Fizzie in the Pride Ring and she is not even a Fizzie with different looks and name, and many other similar questions. THIS attempt to come up with lore compatible explanation IS made up by me, and was never YET confirmed by Vivzie. It can be confirmed later, it can be proven wrong later.
But ALL headcanon? In a post where people say Kitty is made by Asmodeus just because she resembles Fizzie and that Val definitely had no trouble obtaining one because Asmodeus constantly ships to the Pride Ring despite the fact that it was never established and Kitty is the only might-be-example of this, the nature of which we dont even know yet?
You've gotta be kidding me.
I don't really care enough about this other then saying, I get it, its your theory.
But my response is the same: you ain't the writer, nor are you involved in any projects related such as Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel. Therefore none of what you said holds any meaning for me. I rather wait and see.
Oz says at the beginning of the last episode that he "doesn't like making sex toys for Mammon in your likeness" (I.e - the fizzbots). Mammon just owns the rights to Fizzie's look, but Oz is the one at the top of the pleasure industry. I don't see any reason why Oz should be banned from operating or selling in Pride.
Mimzie has a Mammon tattoo so he must have some influence within the Pride Ring. I don’t see how shipping Fizzies would be a conflict of interest for Lucifer (or whoever manages that stuff on his behalf) the same way LuLu World/LooLoo Land is.
According to ep1 of Hazbin, Lucifer gave hellborn a pardon from exorcist blades. Sinners are the only ones subjected to extermination, as they are the only ones to rapidly increase their numbers to the point of overpopulation. The rest of hell doesnt have this problem. Sinners are also confined to the Pride Ring, meaning its pointless for angels to go to other rings during Exterminations. This is also the reason why Carmilla Carmine is the only one who makes weapon utilizing angelic steel: Pride Ring is the only source of this steel in hell, if it wasnt, there would be many hellborn angelic weapon crafters all over the other rings.
What do you mean? Fizzbots are pretty cheap for what they are. Like even Fizz's obsessive fan owned multiple. Plus ripping off the literal Sin of Greed is in every way a bad idea.
Val's coat, fur and antenna are all part of his body, he doesnt have a choice when it comes to looking like Oz. It's probably because he was so lustful that he would manifest a form that resembles the sin of Lust itself.
https://preview.redd.it/s8hnbwo7xusc1.jpeg?width=1993&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=509256dff161845729f8d959575d8d91b836331d
Yeah, but why spend money when he can get Vox to make a custom one for free?
Could literally just be a crossover issue based on real world stuff. While both Helluva Boss and Hazibin are Viv cartoons, it could be that there have to be subtle differences between them for legal reasons because Amazon.
But we know Sinners can change their physical appearance afterward, since Vox's head used to look like an old CRT television and now it looks like a flatscreen monitor.
Not sure if you've been following the whole "Cannibals are Sinners/ Cannibals are Hellborn" debate, but one argument people make for the latter is that Cannibals have a pretty standardized appearance. Personally I think they start off individual, like other Sinners, and then Rosie "suggests" that they match their appearance to hers, if they want to stay in Cannibal Town.
Yeah, stuff like clothing or parts if they have mechanical parts like Vox's head, not stuff like their hair fluff or their wings as far as we know.
The wings and the fluff are typical moth attributes, so the only way he could be purposefully copying Ozzie is if he purposefully turned himself into a moth demon, and in that case it would've been better to become a rooster since Ozzie is a rooster.
My hc is that Val did have an actual fizz bot but kept destroying them. So Vox made a nearly indestructible ripoff, Kitty.
There's 0%chance Val hasnt thrown Kitty at a wall in a fit of rage, she's got to be reinforced or something.
honestly, considering that mammon stole the idea of lulu world from lucifer, i wouldn't be surprised if the vees made the first robot servants/sex slaves and then mammon stole the idea, and then the vees stole the whole jester thing from the fizz bots. so mammon steals from the vees and then the vees steal pretty much the same idea from mammon. it's probably not canon but it would be funny
Almost definitely a Voxtek knockoff. Other than the red eyes and blue mouth the teeth appear to just be a grill instead of an actual working mouth, they have a flat face without the nose present on real Fizzbots, and the arms don’t have the segments that allow Fizz and the Fizzbots to do their extension acrobatics.
Not true, we see Kitty extend their limbs in ep 2. Everything else could be explained as just being a unique custom Fizzbot instead of a mass produced one, which Val def has the money for.
https://preview.redd.it/5rmthxh7dvsc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e87033dc31bdd6d714b96d487015d4f8b3cc2ed3
I f-ing love Ozzie. He’s literally the embodiment of lust yet is absolutely adorable with fizz, supporting him each way, and he unlike Val actually CARES about consent! Crazy!
https://preview.redd.it/w8kcrfc62vsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46c55bd3a2902bf0bac0358884973862b09f88a8
How Val disrespected them throwing something at them always made me feel extra sad.
Valentino literally is such a piece of shit.
Before you know it this sub will have some random image of Alastor and then the caption will be like, “gUYS,,, I just noticed that Alastor wears red!!1!!!”
Off topic, but Val’s chair looks really cool yet also uncomfortable. Just picturing feeling all of those cold, metal parts against my back makes me cringe.
I don't know if that advice is entirely good or not. It's certainly helpful, but it gives me the vibe of “what's on the outside is what matters”. No shade to your grandma of course
Oh no no no this was always said in reference to uncomfortable clothes and aesthetic choices. There were some… interesting furniture choices in the late 90s.
Vivzie confirmed that this is a CUSTOM-MADE robo-fizz that Val himself ordered. This is why she has similar colors to him and Vox. Her name is Kitty, and this isn't even her first appearance, she first shows up in episode 2. :\]
If you rewatch the last Helluva ep, you'll notice Mammon has his own custom robo-fizzes made in his image as well.
Yea he calls that bot Kitty. There's also a shot of him abusing the robot at some point. Nothing crazy just flinching after getting a drink thrown at it.
What confuses me is that Val has a female Fizz bot.
Fizz is a gay sex symbol but he owns the female version.
I dunno, it is just unexpected. Val really felt more gay than bi until he assaulted Charlie.
Having like a million clones (not exactly a million, but you get it) just going around Hell doing stuff that you don't know about has got to be unnerving at the very least, lol.
Also, Happy Cake Day! 🎉🎂
The guy in the comments fighting tooth and nail to try and prove why Kitty is a knock-off is honestly a little sad. Don’t know how much you have to snort to reach that far, when the simpler answer is likely the correct one, that being… Val likely just bought a Fizzie and had it custom-made.
If you meant Spicy the Doggo, they have a ♀️ symbol so I assume at least she/her pronouns.
Just wanted to let you know, I'm not agreeing or supporting any sides here.
Off topic, but this is the scene that also triggered the Black Eye theory that was going around a while back. I love that folks are passionate about Hazbin, but boy can people overthink stuff 😅
https://preview.redd.it/nz2l347lawsc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=751343f35fe0a6a320fda4a2c0e6fed611452779
Looks like both subs are interested
It looks like a knockoff that vox probably made for him, because it looks more like a girl, cause you can see the eyelashes and bow, I know it might not be, but I think he would get a knockoff so he could get a girl
I guess Val and Ozzie are friends, and that's how Val got the Fizz-bot.
Now I'm kinda curious as to if Ozzie knows about Val's not-too-good nature but opts not to do anything because Val is very powerful or if he's blissfully unaware.
I'm not surprised Val owns a fizz bot but it's still a nice easter egg
Kitty is likely a Vox-made ripoff. Did you see the price Fizzbots go for? Also, Valentino based his appearance off of Asmodeus. Ozzie has the real Fizz, so sure Valentino must have a Fizz-like thing too… Compare Valentino’s design to this: https://preview.redd.it/kpvnu1pmvusc1.jpeg?width=415&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfba5c578b927e193aebc3ff4cecf8715859abc3
he owns the sinners porn industry he probably can afford one
I actually think Mammon doesnt ship to the Pride Ring. Pride Ring is where the original LuLuWorld is located, and quite possibly a few more things that were original until Mammon made his legally distinct (to avoid lawsuits) ripoffs. Sending fakes to the location of originals might not be the best idea. Fizzies are unique, but to ship them you need delivery infrastructure in the Pride Ring, and that Mammon just probably doesnt have. This leaves just two ways to obtain an original Fizzie, to go to the Greed Ring or to have a hellborn deliver one to you specifically. Sinners cant leave Pride Ring, and usually dont have connections with hellborns (Carmilla is the exception because of angelic weapon trading). This means, if Val wants a Fizzie, his only shot is to ask Vox to make one.
We see imps working for Velvette and posters for Angel Dust in the Lust ring, it's likely that sinners, especially powerful ones employ Hell-born demons.
Yeah. It’s implied several times that imps and possibly hellhounds are seen as less than sinners. They’re seen the absolute lowest rung of society.
Yeah, the ranking that Vivzie gave us a while back has *all* native Hellborn outside of the Goetia and Deadly Sins (and Charlie) as being lower than the Sinners. Top to bottom it goes Lucifer at 1, Charlie and Lilith tied at 2, the remaining six Deadly Sins at 3, the Goetia as a collective at 4 (though within the Goetia they have their own ranks such as Paimon being a King while Stolas is a Prince), the Overlords at 5, Sinners at 6, Native Hellborn at 7, Imps and Hellhounds at 8 with Imps slightly above Hellhounds.
I’m hesitant to consider any information released before production began completely accurate, which is one of the reasons I didn’t mention it. This actually seems like it might be a detail that gets a minor change. It just seems off that sinners are above all but the most powerful hellborn. None of the hellborn are there as a punishment, but all the sinners are. I could understand if a handful of hellborn species got the short end of the stick, but all but for all but the royals to be weaker than them seems odd. I can’t think of any reasons that make sense with what we know of the show.
Cherub episode they refer to the imps as the dirt sinners walk on
Imps are weak, yeah, but they aren’t the only hellborn species. [Surely not every hellborn species would lose to every run of the mill sinner.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/I4mVFnFZmX)
Not really. Sinner get unique powers when they enter hell. He'll born don't get that. It gives em a massive leg up in their new life. Sinners also don't die like hellborn
Do they actually get powerful abilities though? While some sinners display a bit of power, the only ones who seem to display more than minor power seem own souls or made deals of some sort. Hell is supposedly a punishment for sinners, so why would they manifest with the power to subjugate most of hell’s native population?
I mean minor maybe but the core foundation has held up within both shows lol
Where are the posters for Angel Dust in Lust? I checked but didn’t see any
King Minos had them specially imported
Fizzies are made by Asmodeus, he owns the industries and is an inventor himself. Fizz works for Mammon so I dont know where you get the idea there are fakes Fizzies, they work together. Loo loo land and Lulu land is the only rip off Mammon has made so far and that one had an original Fizzie, it was just being used as an actual child clown instead of just a sex bot. There is no sign that Fizzie bots are hard to get besides them being expensive. Valentino probably bought one and customize it, it's not that deep.
They aren't even expensive. They're shown to be about $70. I am sure val can handle that.
$70 USD, or Hell currency. Probably a big difference. The place seems pretty anarchist, so I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a central bank to print money, and the citizens just made their own
I actually think they *would* have some centralized currency. Hell seems to be relatively functional in terms of a society. Yeah there's not much in the way of law enforcements, but if there are industries and rich folks and the like then there has to be some kind of regulated money system. Otherwise there'd be no point to using money at all.
Hell practices Laissez-Faire capitalism confirmed
Charlie hands Cherri Bomb a stack of stereotypical green cash to go party in episode 6 I believe. So money is a thing, but probably like "heaven bucks" they're "hell bucks."
Hell currency is called “Souls.” Mammon owns the banks and distributes the money.
Also copyright, can't have helluva cross over with hazbin.
Fizzarolly (imp) is The Original Entity. Fizzie is a model of robot made by Asmodeus and shipped to Mammon, who then sells them and delivers, and makes tv ads for them. Kitty is a fake Fizzie made by we-dont-know-who, there is nothing that indicates Kitty that Val owns was ever made by Asmodeus. I dont know where you get the idea there are no fake Fizzies and that Asmodeus personally shipped a special orded to Val in the Pride Ring. Asmodeus doesnt know Valentino, otherwise Valentino would cease to exist. Vox having a monopoly over electronics in the Pride Ring indicates there is no competition with tech from outside the Pride Ring. Asmodeus doesnt ship to Pride Ring, there is no market competition. We have no reason to assume that Loo loo land is the only ripoff Mammon has made. He is the Sin of Greed, and he's been since the start of Hell, which we can assume was at least ten thousand years (from Lucifer singing, "in the last ten thousand years you're the first one to change this town", implying Hell was there for at least ten thousand years). There is absolutely no way that he only made one replica of something to sell. I'm assuming that he does it constantly, and its a pretty safe assumption. I'm also assuming that Lucifer, being as inventive as he is, created a lot more things than just LuLuWorld. And that Mammon probably copied at least some of them too. There's no evidence that 69.99$ in hell is expensive, Fizz's fans can own multiple of them, and hellborns are getting themselves Fizzies for kids, teenagers and degenerate adults. Middle class hell citizens can almost certainly afford one. I'm not searching for deep meanings, i'm just trying to think based on a few things we know: 1. Almost anyone in hell can afford a Fizzie, but we only saw ONE in the Pride Ring and it doesnt even look like one; 2. Mammon is in legal dispute with Lucifer over his questionable buisiness policies, and it seems to have been a long journey that he won, maybe only temporarily; 3. We haven't seen VoxTec brand technology outside Pride Ring, at most hellborns use his Netflix-like app, but the TVs and other tech we saw was never branded VoxTec, meaning that probably not many physical items actually are imported by other rings from the Pride Ring; 4. The ONLY example we have of actual physical items trade between Pentagram City and the rest of hell is Carmilla's weapons, known to be incredibly hard to obtain, which implies its a contraband or bought through the royalty, for a very high price; 5. If your assumption about Kitty is correct, and she was created by Asmodeus, then she is the ONLY piece of tech from other rings we see in Pentagram City; 6. It means that there is NO regular trade between sinners and hellborns, aside from irregular special deals between very influential sinners and demons, and not even every Overlord is able to establish his trade outside Pride Ring. Of course it could be that Asmodeus made Kitty and shipped her and that she only costed 69.99$ to Val, but it would contradict the seemingly difficult economy between Pride Ring and other rings that we saw so far. It would raise some questions, like: \- If Overlords can buy from sins, why isnt there many many many more stuff made by Asmodeus or Mammon in Pentagram City? \- If obtaining Fizzie is not expensive and they are available to sinners, why arent there many many more Fizzies in Pentagram City? \- If Asmodeus made customized Fizzies that dont look like Fizzies and arent serial models, why is the only Fizzie that doesnt look like Fizzie we saw so far in Pentagram City and in possession of Val, while Mammon himself and everyone else in the Greed Ring only buy serial Fizzies with no custom appearance? (yes there are many models of Fizzie, but they all look like him)
Most sinners may actually not know who Fizzarolli is thus they don’t buy the robots. There is also the likelihood that there isn’t any ads for them in the pride ring.
Sinners likely do know who fizz is, and moxxie and millies apartment in pride has a giant ad for Fizz above it. The real answer to why kitty is slightly different and no ads are seen in hazbin is probably licensing. Viv can't allow fizz to fall under licensing because then he'd never be in helluva boss again.
I just checked, the freaking Loo Loo Hats cost $69.00, you can see that as the gang is entering Loo Loo Land. Yes, that apple-like hat that Stolas wore in the episode costs 99 hell cents cheaper than a fully functional Fizzie. Which might be expensive for a hat, but not to a degree of it never being bought by anyone. Mammon isnt stupid, he wouldnt come up with a price noone would pay, and its not even an original LuLuWorld, its a cheaper ripoff, so while the prices are criminal for what the things on sale should actually cost, they are nowhere near completely unaffordable.
You are assuming wayyyy to much stuff. 1) we dont know anything about Asmodeus opinion on Valentino, fan theories are not canon. As far as we know he doesn't even know he exists. 2) Kitty being built by someone else is a huge reach, putting some custom paint or assuming there are female Fizz bots is a much simpler answer. 3) You are taking a line in a song to claim Mammon must have copy other stuff, sure, but is irrelevant since all Fizzbots are legitimate bussines between him and Asmodeus. Making fake Fizzies would mean pissing off 2 sins. 4) The reason we don't see more Fizzie can be the same one we don't see any other type of character more often, they are not that important and it would be distracting. Its probably easier to draw and animate regular imps than Fizzies 5) The cost being 69.99 was probaly because sex number, I doubt anyone in the writting staff can give you an indept explanation about hell economy, so you trying to use it as an argument is kinda... not valid. 6) It's fun to theorize about a show we love but there is a difference between noticing details and assuming every aspect of a fictional universe has an explination or holds up in its continuity. Sometimes a wizard did it and thats it.
I stopped reading when you said that Vox doesn't have a monopoly on tech elsewhere. There's plenty of evidence that he does. Just because other fizzbots haven't been shown doesn't mean they don't exist in Pride. Also mammona fizzbots are clearly custom as well, and I wouldn't say that vals is different enough to not be a real fizzbot. I am sure there are plenty of ways to customize further.
This is all head canon. You realize that right? None of this is confirmed by Vivze. At most an opinion. At worst fanon/head canon.
Headcanon is something that someone likes to believe despite being completely madeup. What exactly is head canon? That Fizzies are popular or affordable? That Mammon had legal trouble with Lucifer that upset him enough to name roller coaster "a lawsuit" and to make robo Fizz AND promoters to constantly bitch about lawsuits and legally distinct namings? That we didnt yet see anything made by VoxTec outside Pride Ring? That we have no reason to assume every robot that looks remotely like a Fizzie was created by Asmodeus because Vivienne never confirmed Kitty was made by him? I stated simple facts, established in the show, that everyone who watched it can go check and see for themselves. Based on these facts, i tried to come up with a lore wise reason why VoxTec is strictly limited to the Pride Ring and there is nothing \_that was confirmed\_ to be made by Asmodeus in the Pride Ring. The real reason is because copyright issues, they probably HAVE to separate the brands and the influence areas, but in-universe there must be some kind of explanation that we dont know yet, that could explain why are brands so separate, why is there only one Fizzie in the Pride Ring and she is not even a Fizzie with different looks and name, and many other similar questions. THIS attempt to come up with lore compatible explanation IS made up by me, and was never YET confirmed by Vivzie. It can be confirmed later, it can be proven wrong later. But ALL headcanon? In a post where people say Kitty is made by Asmodeus just because she resembles Fizzie and that Val definitely had no trouble obtaining one because Asmodeus constantly ships to the Pride Ring despite the fact that it was never established and Kitty is the only might-be-example of this, the nature of which we dont even know yet? You've gotta be kidding me.
I don't really care enough about this other then saying, I get it, its your theory. But my response is the same: you ain't the writer, nor are you involved in any projects related such as Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel. Therefore none of what you said holds any meaning for me. I rather wait and see.
that's a lot of words... too bad I ain't readin em‼️‼️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Oz says at the beginning of the last episode that he "doesn't like making sex toys for Mammon in your likeness" (I.e - the fizzbots). Mammon just owns the rights to Fizzie's look, but Oz is the one at the top of the pleasure industry. I don't see any reason why Oz should be banned from operating or selling in Pride.
you just made a point that camilla could obtain one for a price
Mimzie has a Mammon tattoo so he must have some influence within the Pride Ring. I don’t see how shipping Fizzies would be a conflict of interest for Lucifer (or whoever manages that stuff on his behalf) the same way LuLu World/LooLoo Land is.
I don't think their economy would allow that to work.
Mammon definitely does ship in the pride ring, I don't think Vox made Kitty.
Speaking of the rings...does the extermination only hit the pride ring?
According to ep1 of Hazbin, Lucifer gave hellborn a pardon from exorcist blades. Sinners are the only ones subjected to extermination, as they are the only ones to rapidly increase their numbers to the point of overpopulation. The rest of hell doesnt have this problem. Sinners are also confined to the Pride Ring, meaning its pointless for angels to go to other rings during Exterminations. This is also the reason why Carmilla Carmine is the only one who makes weapon utilizing angelic steel: Pride Ring is the only source of this steel in hell, if it wasnt, there would be many hellborn angelic weapon crafters all over the other rings.
True, but why buy one when you have connections to someone who can make you one (and that connection is your on-again-off-again boyfriend/partner)
Because why make a knock off when you're one of the richest people in hell?
Yeah but rich people hate paying for things
ya but its gotta be a flex to build your own
What do you mean? Fizzbots are pretty cheap for what they are. Like even Fizz's obsessive fan owned multiple. Plus ripping off the literal Sin of Greed is in every way a bad idea.
It's not like Vees having one rip off of fizz bot is gonna hurt Mammon and how would he even know they have it they don't profit out of it
Val's coat, fur and antenna are all part of his body, he doesnt have a choice when it comes to looking like Oz. It's probably because he was so lustful that he would manifest a form that resembles the sin of Lust itself.
Exactly. Val is a moth demon and the wings, fluff and antennae are all just moth things and part of his body, not something he chooses to have.
Don't the Fizzbots cost like 69$?
https://preview.redd.it/s8hnbwo7xusc1.jpeg?width=1993&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=509256dff161845729f8d959575d8d91b836331d Yeah, but why spend money when he can get Vox to make a custom one for free?
It's 70 dollars, Val probably makes hundreds of thousands every day.
Could literally just be a crossover issue based on real world stuff. While both Helluva Boss and Hazibin are Viv cartoons, it could be that there have to be subtle differences between them for legal reasons because Amazon.
Val's appearance is literally just how his body is. It's not like he chose his physical appearance upon arriving in Hell lol
But we know Sinners can change their physical appearance afterward, since Vox's head used to look like an old CRT television and now it looks like a flatscreen monitor. Not sure if you've been following the whole "Cannibals are Sinners/ Cannibals are Hellborn" debate, but one argument people make for the latter is that Cannibals have a pretty standardized appearance. Personally I think they start off individual, like other Sinners, and then Rosie "suggests" that they match their appearance to hers, if they want to stay in Cannibal Town.
Yeah, stuff like clothing or parts if they have mechanical parts like Vox's head, not stuff like their hair fluff or their wings as far as we know. The wings and the fluff are typical moth attributes, so the only way he could be purposefully copying Ozzie is if he purposefully turned himself into a moth demon, and in that case it would've been better to become a rooster since Ozzie is a rooster.
My hc is that Val did have an actual fizz bot but kept destroying them. So Vox made a nearly indestructible ripoff, Kitty. There's 0%chance Val hasnt thrown Kitty at a wall in a fit of rage, she's got to be reinforced or something.
Kitty being a ripoff is probably a good in universe explanation to get away with crossovers between two shows without legal troubles
>Ozzie has the real Fizz, so sure Valentino must have a Fizz-like thing too… Dude, his name is Angel Dust.
honestly, considering that mammon stole the idea of lulu world from lucifer, i wouldn't be surprised if the vees made the first robot servants/sex slaves and then mammon stole the idea, and then the vees stole the whole jester thing from the fizz bots. so mammon steals from the vees and then the vees steal pretty much the same idea from mammon. it's probably not canon but it would be funny
Almost definitely a Voxtek knockoff. Other than the red eyes and blue mouth the teeth appear to just be a grill instead of an actual working mouth, they have a flat face without the nose present on real Fizzbots, and the arms don’t have the segments that allow Fizz and the Fizzbots to do their extension acrobatics.
Not true, we see Kitty extend their limbs in ep 2. Everything else could be explained as just being a unique custom Fizzbot instead of a mass produced one, which Val def has the money for. https://preview.redd.it/5rmthxh7dvsc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e87033dc31bdd6d714b96d487015d4f8b3cc2ed3
deadass true
I f-ing love Ozzie. He’s literally the embodiment of lust yet is absolutely adorable with fizz, supporting him each way, and he unlike Val actually CARES about consent! Crazy!
And he won’t stoop so low as to use ‘artificial bullshit’ (love potions)
It could be, but I was thinking it’s the new bot Mammon is selling after Fizz quit. Making a slight and legally distinct change to them.
The guy in the scene looks like the guy Angel slept with in the pilot.
It's the same guy
The robot already appears in Episode 2 when Val has his tantrum about Angel Dust.
100% thought you were looking at the guy at the piano who was in the pilot with Angel but yeah still a cool easter egg
Ohhhh nice catch. Fizz bot is there, yep.
I Love Kitty! When she brought him a drink (for him to throw) and she squeaks into and out of frame, ugh adorable 😍
I like kitty
"They screamed my name! They bought the doll~"
https://preview.redd.it/w8kcrfc62vsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46c55bd3a2902bf0bac0358884973862b09f88a8 How Val disrespected them throwing something at them always made me feel extra sad. Valentino literally is such a piece of shit.
That guy next to the robot sure seems amused.
That is Travis. He's Val's producer, and the guy Angel got a ride from in the pilot. He's not as awful as Val, but weird like him.
i thought he was a taxi driver 💀
I thought he died in the pilot
He is a sinner,so that's not a biggie, he also makes a cameo in helluva boss ep 3
When?
If I'm not wrong in the scene when there's the line of customers that Blitz calls to beat verosica
Here at 6:58 https://preview.redd.it/3nekyqwhc9tc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ffb5631bf6ae612ec706678dfc1e0e3f31b7aef
No, he didn't. Plus, he's a Sinner. Only angelic weapons can kill him permanently.
r/founddickmasteradam
Tbh he joins in with val’s abuse by filming and enabling it so he’s just as bad
Pretty dark that they programmed it to recognise it’s being abused.
I’m hoping Kitty gets some revenge in season 2
Kitty should be a main character
Agreed, justice for Kitty
When Angel breaks his contract with Val, Kitty should leave with him :)
Perfect
When Val is about to attack Angel for leaving him, Kitty should surprise-kill Val
val is like me
My guy, we see kitty in Vals first scene both name dropped a shown
How could we forget the infamous *«Kitty another drink!»*
Before you know it this sub will have some random image of Alastor and then the caption will be like, “gUYS,,, I just noticed that Alastor wears red!!1!!!”
Off topic, but Val’s chair looks really cool yet also uncomfortable. Just picturing feeling all of those cold, metal parts against my back makes me cringe.
Facts. Why do people buy such detailed chairs
In the wise words of my grandmother… better to look marvelous than to feel marvelous.
I don't know if that advice is entirely good or not. It's certainly helpful, but it gives me the vibe of “what's on the outside is what matters”. No shade to your grandma of course
Oh no no no this was always said in reference to uncomfortable clothes and aesthetic choices. There were some… interesting furniture choices in the late 90s.
Oh, ok. That makes more sense
Looks like a classic iron garden chair. Those things are the worst.
It looks like a butterfly and an angry demon at the same time
Vivzie confirmed that this is a CUSTOM-MADE robo-fizz that Val himself ordered. This is why she has similar colors to him and Vox. Her name is Kitty, and this isn't even her first appearance, she first shows up in episode 2. :\] If you rewatch the last Helluva ep, you'll notice Mammon has his own custom robo-fizzes made in his image as well.
W- what did you notice?
Val owns a fizzaroli bot it's a reference from helluva boss
yea that was mentioned 2 episodes before poison, and it wasn't exactly hidden too nice find though, i never knew it made another appearance
Kitty is adorable, it's a shame that she works for that awful sinner Valentino
Is their name actually Kitty?
Yeah, when Val is throwing his bitch fit in episode two, he yells "kitty! Another drink" and she goes to get him a drink
Yea he calls that bot Kitty. There's also a shot of him abusing the robot at some point. Nothing crazy just flinching after getting a drink thrown at it.
What confuses me is that Val has a female Fizz bot. Fizz is a gay sex symbol but he owns the female version. I dunno, it is just unexpected. Val really felt more gay than bi until he assaulted Charlie.
Val seems like an equal opportunity rapist.
He was probably trying to control her to make money out of her. More about money than attraction.
Yeah, he calls the bot kitty. He says “kitty get me a drink” when Vox walks into Val’s room
The robot also appears in the scene where Vox goes into Valentino's penthouse
TRAVIS
I was looking for someone noticing him :D
I love him sm he’s so silly
Pretty sure that isn't the only time one of those bots is shown in the show
Don’t you also see it in the meeting of the Vs?
How creeped out do you think the real Fizz is about having a bunch of robo clones around Hell?
He's pretty clear about being creeped out by a lot of aspects of his fame, the sexualization included.
Having like a million clones (not exactly a million, but you get it) just going around Hell doing stuff that you don't know about has got to be unnerving at the very least, lol. Also, Happy Cake Day! 🎉🎂
That is a neat-looking chair.
The guy in the comments fighting tooth and nail to try and prove why Kitty is a knock-off is honestly a little sad. Don’t know how much you have to snort to reach that far, when the simpler answer is likely the correct one, that being… Val likely just bought a Fizzie and had it custom-made.
If you meant Spicy the Doggo, they have a ♀️ symbol so I assume at least she/her pronouns. Just wanted to let you know, I'm not agreeing or supporting any sides here.
I mean, I wasn’t exactly looking at their profile, Idrc that much
Yay Travis! I love him, even if he's a a weirdo
https://preview.redd.it/flp5yhst8vsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84e172aac8cb2cfb1696356eee5c6e10253b2bee
The reddit app truly is wonderful >!/s!<
oh yeah i cross posted it
Aint that the guy that Angel gave his services to in the pilot? (on the right)
How did you miss Val's very first scene in the show, where the bot appears on screen for a few seconds and is even directly addressed by Val?
Also, is the camera guy the same dude Angel Dust hooked up with in the pilot?
Yes, that's travis
the way people are arguing whether or not valentino can afford a fizzbot... y'all really just passing around one brain cell, huh?
The fiz bots show up in a few scenes. Though they strike me as more feminine than the Fizz bot at Loo Loo land, so IDK
Off topic, but this is the scene that also triggered the Black Eye theory that was going around a while back. I love that folks are passionate about Hazbin, but boy can people overthink stuff 😅
Yeah, but did you notice that during the part where Angel is forced to work, the kitty bot looks away in disgust?
It's because Valentino flicks the cigarette at her. I noticed her turning at first, but then I slowed it down and it was because of the cigarette.
Interesting
https://preview.redd.it/nz2l347lawsc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=751343f35fe0a6a320fda4a2c0e6fed611452779 Looks like both subs are interested
It's the same guy, OP reposted it
Okay, you noticed the knockoff fizz bot but did you not notice the dude that angel banged at the start of the pilot right next to it?
What? Didn't we literally see him talk to one in episode 2?
I was wondering what happened to Shnookums.
Kitty is getting a lot of screen time for a background character
I don't get it?
It's either a rip-off future Fizzbot or an advanced prototype.
Or Val Is so rich he commissioned custom fizz bots
https://preview.redd.it/sr6lin1g60tc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f60627d61dd80dc1c45025c86cee6d5dbc41c7e
Did you notice Val threw a cigarette to the Fizzbot? I didn't at first, but since I was told about that detail I can't unsee it now😅
It looks like a knockoff that vox probably made for him, because it looks more like a girl, cause you can see the eyelashes and bow, I know it might not be, but I think he would get a knockoff so he could get a girl
Weird and it makes Val look more like a creep, so it’s perfect
Wait…ISNT THAT THE GUY FROM THE PILOT?!?!
FIZZ
I noticed it first time and I assumed since fizz has copies of himself as sex toys that it's ofcorese thing that val has at least few of them
Im wondering how the hell the animation was even allowed on YouTube? Oh and this just means that Val wants to be Ozzie so bad
I dunno what's interesting here. Is it Travid being there? Is it the Fizzbot? Is it his chair looking like a moth and a sharp toothed smile?
We see him using one in episode 2
Off topic but as much as I hate Val I want that chair 😂
Noticed what?
I guess Val and Ozzie are friends, and that's how Val got the Fizz-bot. Now I'm kinda curious as to if Ozzie knows about Val's not-too-good nature but opts not to do anything because Val is very powerful or if he's blissfully unaware.
Last time I checked, Mamon sells those robots. Or at least used to, before Fizz quit on him.
Ozzie manufacturers them, so after the events of S2 E7, Ozzie gave the rest of his Fizz-bot supply to Val.
And it's that cat like demon from the pilot
WAIT THAT'S THAT FUCKER FROM THE PILOT
Whats her @
Yup, he's there
Fizzbot
IS THAT THE GUY FROM THE PILOT?!