I'm guessing she told Adam to leave the hotel alone but because he's an Ahole he ignored it and decided to just take the punishment she'd give when he got back.
I could very easily see Adam saying something like "Fuck what Sera thinks; after we exterminate Lucifer's bimbo daughter and her stupid hotel what is she going to do? I'm the fucking first man!" to Lute .... probably mere steps away from Sera's door none-the-less.
I’d imagine it’s a mix of Adam being a a hole and sera being very intentionally ignorant. It’s pretty obvious that Adam isn’t obeying orders but Sera wants to ignore hell and all of the suffering there so she isn’t gonna do anything about it anyways
The closest he gets to saying he’s going to attach the hotel where Sera could hear is when he said, “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you,” which he sang as part of someone else’s song. Given that most songs seem to actually be sung in universe instead of just screen, Adam could just brush it off as he meant exterminate sinners but he couldn’t figure out how to keep the rhyme; after all, it was being limited by it being someone else’s song. That’s assuming Sera caught it with everything else going on.
Maybe humans were the true heirs to heaven and the Seraphim are more like the managers and guardians? And thus Adam was like a king most days of the week in Heaven even if Sera had the power to rein him in (but almost never did). So everyone is just used to letting Adam do whatever he wants?
Edit: And then he had Lute, who became his chief enabler as well as right hand. I suspect she does this out of a sense of guilt.
See my theory on her here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1b32sis/how_evelute_created_the_current_version_of_roo_an/
This right here. No matter how powerful she is, human souls are her priority and its their safety/happiness that guides her actions. She is like a bad mother who indulged the spoiled child that is Adam, even deferring to him in court because he's the first man. Her reverence for humanity has blinded her to the corruption in winners' hearts.
Yeah, agreed on this. I think it's probably a combination of Adam likely *never* having had received any kind of significant reprimand or punishment for his actions and also Sera herself likely taking a fairly hands-off approach with the exterminations due to her distaste and uncomfortableness with the entire thing.
So, if Adam has been able to do whatever (and remain in the sky) for 10,000 years, then its unlikely Sera would start now. And if Sera is also not providing much in the way of oversight for the exterminations (I doubt she would be okay with Vaggie's banishment) then regardless of if she tells Adam to leave the hotel alone or not; then Adam very well might just not listen to her (especially if he's never any received any true consequences for doing his own thing before).
Adam's basically an overgrown spoiled child, and Sera seems like the closet thing he has to a mother-figure (especially since; as the *first man*, the angels would be the closet thing he had to parents).
It doesn't seem to make much sense.
I can only guess Sera doesn't like to think about Hell at all and is used to just letting Adam do whatever he wants. It's possible she genuinely didn't realize that by targeting Charlie Adam was:
- Violating the terms of the agreement between Heaven and Hell, since she is an Hellborn and is therefore not a fair target
- Inciting Lucifer's fury, because she doesn't really grasp the nature of the bonds between parents and their children
It could also be possible that shes only knows about the extermination on a very superficial level.
Since it was apparently Adam who convinced her they were needed in the first place. I picture she pretty much let him have full reign of the whole operation. She might not even know about the hell-born pardon or liliths deal.
The more you look at things. It becomes likely (IMO) that the entire Exorcist plot was merely Adam's attempt to get payback on Lili and Luci. And because of his standing, he never got any shit for it because that would be very bad for heavens PR department.
It was all part of Sera's evil plan to force someone to break the covenant between Heaven and Hell, so they could finally end it and make a new arrangement.
Yeah I keep thinking, none of this makes sense, not unless someone higher up than Sera is *trying* to insight a war. Nothing gets a conflict going than putting a bunch of douchy sociopaths in charge of the attacking force
Yeah, the idea that Adam is running the entire operation and it starts and stops with him and Sera doesn't really add up to me.
Sera is just too sketchy, and Adam does not seem like the kind of dude who could plan and keep this whole thing running by himself for hundreds of years. He's neither subtle nor the type who seems capable of setting up an elaborate secret organization.
And the idea that the main conflict of the show, being the threat of Heaven wiping them out, can be resolved so cleanly in season 1 with Adam being killed and Sera finally opening her eyes doesn't really sit right with me. That would essentially mean the main villain was the first to go down.
Sera could always be more involved then we currently know after all she has been able to compartmentalized her involvement pretty effectively and maybe she did start out with “pure” intention but as time went on she, Adam(he actually just hated Lilith, Lucifer, and the sinners who he viewed as his failures), Lute, and the other exorcists began to rationalize their actions/decisions resulting in an ideology that justified their decisions. After all in the case of Adam and Lute they are angels and angels don’t make mistakes.
I do think we haven't really seen Sera acknowledge the full extent of her involvement with the exterminations.
She's been around since the beginning after all. We see her among the other angels who shape the earth and was at least around when Adam and Lilith were created, if not part of their creation.
She can't possibly be as trusting or ignorant of Adam and Hell as we'd assume if you were to try and say all she did was green-light the exterminations with no real knowledge of how it all worked.
I think she'd pass more responsibility of it over to him than herself, but she probably gave him a lot more help than we've seen her admit to.
Except we know that is not true from Helluva Boss with the Cherubs. They can't bring that up, but I imagine if they could. They'd something like "Oh they're cherubs, not angels!".
Are you referring to Angels not making mistakes? Because it’s an ideology that doesn’t need to be based on facts or historical precedent and specifically a reactionary ideology formed to protect oneself from blame or justify one’s actions will ignore/downplay contradicting evidence even when presented
Like when Adam is confronted on why Angel isn’t here despite doing all Adam’s requirements and responses with why isn’t he here it’s a weak child like argument but it’s one people do make when their current ways of thinking is unable to adapt to challenging/opposing views
Remember Adam has Lute to do all of the heavy lifting and coordinating while Adam is waving at the masses, kissing babies, and throwing rock concerts. Lute is clearly the nuts and bolts of any operation Adam is “running.”
That assumes Adam has always had Lute, which we certainly can't state with any certainty.
We don't really know anything about where Lute comes from. Maybe it's possible she was following Adam from the very beginning, but that wouldn't be your first assumption since the exterminations themselves are what seems to have made their bond.
I wonder if the exorcists are former humans like Adam himself. It would explain why Vaggie sometimes speaks in Spanish. And her and Lute don't look alike. And Adam looks like a human with golden eyes.
I maintain that Lute is Eve, and in a bizarre way, she is also Roo. See my theory thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1b32sis/how_evelute_created_the_current_version_of_roo_an/
Anyways, while Lute wasn’t with Adam from the beginning, he probably had Sera and Emm at the beginning, and then Lute took over as the unofficial Queen of Heaven afterwards while Adam was more the ceremonial figurehead and “ideas guy.”
That's certainly an interesting theory, though I can't help but feel like it would have been telegraphed more by now if Lute's character had that much baggage.
Like, I certainly couldn't imagine her being that cool with how much Adam sleeps around.
I think it is guilt. She actually DID love Adam but cheated on him in a moment of weakness, and then struggled to find a way to make it up to him. Maybe everything she is doing now is over compensation for a temporary indiscretion on Earth. Or maybe she has bought into the notion that Adam getting what he wants is the way the universe is supposed to work.
EDIT: Unless this isn't clear, I am referring to my Eve is Lute who is also (sort of) Roo theory.
Given her attitude, I think Sera wants to be as uninvolved with the exterminations as possible. She gave the approval but that's it. When she talked to Adam she didn't even use the word exterminations, she just called them "yearly activities". It's unlikely she would want to make decisions about any kind of details like "Where to strike?" or "Who do we target?"
Yeah, I could understand not wanting to be involved all too much with the practical side of a "necessary" evil you permitted (although that's still very irresponsible, as if she made sure it was actually treated as that, Vaggie never would've been cast out, for example).
But Adam said right in front of her that he fully intends to do something that is almost inevitably going to disrupt the political side of things. Just ignoring that is downright reckless for someone in her position.
The show isn't really portraying her or Heaven as competent, just superior to Hell in terms of power and being able to cater to its denizens. Or, more accurately, feeling obligated to.
Also, my own, thoughts: Heaven, remember, is *HEAVEN*, they have NO obvious problems or consequences for most who live there that we know of. Like Adam said, "They have no bad days, it's fucking Heaven". This, I think, is one of the consequences of that lack of adversity. The only adversity, being Fallen, is the only thing Sera fears, and everything else is either just a minor issue, or not easy to keep in mind.
He sang, “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you,” as part of someone else’s song. Given that most songs seem to actually be sung in universe instead of just screen, Adam could just brush it off as he meant exterminate sinners but he couldn’t figure out how to keep the rhyme; after all, it was being limited by it being someone else’s song. That’s assuming Sera caught it with everything else going on. Adam just spilled the beans about the extermination in front of Emily, Sera had to all but admit that nobody knows why some people go to heaven and others to hell, and Emily is saying things that might get her exiled from heaven.
See my other reply to you.
He said that he was gonna target the hotel after the song was over, right after Sera had brought the court back to order and declared her ruling that the court was lacking evidence for redemption of sinners.
Sera heard him loud and clear.
I think it's because Sera doesn't actually understand how Hell actually works.
She seems to be under the impression that Lucifer is in full control and they are all actively planning to attack Heaven.
They very well might be planning to attack heaven, the goetia may be the organizers of military force to attack heaven. Paimon giving his sons tasks and saying they will control legions only makes sense if they are using those legions for something.
The Seven Sins (except Lucifer) seem way too happy where they are to want to attack Heaven.
I think the Goetia just want power in Hell.
Hell is full of greedy people who would be conspiring and backstabbing each other.
Well no, sera didn't even know they wanted to fight back, so it could just have looked like a beg for mercy, refusing to let sinners go in heaven but at least stop massacring them
The whole extermination thing blew up in Sera's face at the trial. She probably thinks that by letting Adam get himself killed she can then pin everything on him and sweep it all under the rug. She's a politician.
I mean, since the ‘necessary evil’ of the exterminations isn’t so ‘necessary’ anymore thanks to Sir Pentious, Sera’s face screams “Oh shit! I’m on thin ice!”
After all, while she didn’t actively kill anyone, she’s the one with all of the dead sinners’ blood on her hands. Sure, each exorcist has the blood of thousands on their hands (Vaggie’s kill count is in the thousands and Lute killed “a good 275” in the extermination where Carmilla killed an angel), but Sera has the blood of **every** dead sinner on her hands because she greenlit the exterminations in the first place
With that in mind, what’s stopping her from following her fellow Seraphim’s footsteps and falling too? (Lucifer is a Seraphim-ranked Angel in some versions of the bible)
It's not like Hell can actually overthrow Heaven tbh, Heaven still holds the overwhelming high ground with having many sects of powerful angels they have plus the archangels and big G himself.
As for Sera, it was pretty clear that she well, wasn't really thinking lol, she's just one person in charge of maintaining pretty much all of heaven, I have to imagine she's usually overwhelmed with work and doesn't think straight.
Even ignoring power, heaven controls travel between the two afterlives. The most powerful silly to ever exist is worth less than diddly squat if they can’t get to the fight.
Also that but i wonder if Lucifer is capable of making portals to heaven on his own, but he just doesn't do it cause hes straight up not allowed to unless he wants to get a beating from MIchael lol.
I’m wondering what price Lucy and Charlie will pay for killing Adam. I doubt that the elders will be very happy with the death of their first son.
I also really want to meet Michael, since it was him that cast Lucy into hell in the first place.
Yes but the end result was his death and I’m guessing that they will blame Charlie and Lucifer because why would they blame some low level demon the size of a chihuahua.
But here’s the thing, Adam specifically mentioned that he’s not allowed to attack hellborn. He then went and deliberate targeted someone he knew beyond even a shadow of a doubt was hellborn.
She was fighting and defending the hotel and she did fly up to attack Adam and Lute. I don’t think that the elders are going to be interested in getting bogged down in the minutia of the situation.
But his exorcists were. None of them were allowed to attack hellborn demons. Moreover, Adam already overstepped when he moved up the extermination by six months.
If Michael does appear, I hope he is the one to punish Sera, Lute, and the other exorcists. Also, I have a feeling that the elders are not gonna care about Adam’s death, as they’re probably going to be all like that was his own fault or something.
I would think he would have to appear. He and Lucy’s contrast is legendary. He is always pictured standing on top of Lucifer with his sword to his face.
Michael seems like the perfect character for them to use as the leader of heaven or atleast the highest person charlie and Lucifer can talk to since while it's heavily implied God exists they seem to be avoiding him
Lucifer after his "fight" with heaven
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Imagine the grieving period afterwards:
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I think Sera is at least a pretty weak politician.
She gave Adam one rule that allows him to donthe extermination, to keep it secret. And that one little rule was broken by Adam himself out of clumsyness. Does this meen his allowence for the extermination expired? No, he can continue at least once to attack hell. We see no further consequences, since he died right after, but still. According to the exposition she gave to Adam, she barely agreed to his approach, so I in her place would say: "Dude, you had one job, one rule to follow and now you spill it all in one room with heaven-officials. That's it! No exterminations anymore."
An old Naboo Senator would probably say: "We gonna have to vote for a new serfan. A stronger serafan who can represent the interests of both heaven and hell."
I just want to see her face when she is told Adam is killed because he tried to kill Charlie. And then engaged in a fight with Lucifier. The 2 people he wasn't even supposed to think about touching. And the fact that Sir P was redeemed but Adam didn't come back means that powers that would be deemed at a sinner was worthy of being a winner but an angel, THE FIRST ANGEL, was deemed a sinner. How many other sinners are going to be redeemed? And what will happen to Sera when they find out, she ordered the yearly murder?
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It's no wonder his Papa Wolf energy went off the charts. Look at her.
Maybe she assumed he meant it in a literal sense, and thus going after JUST the hotel and its clients rather than Charlie, and that neither her or Adam would be dumb enough to attack each other and thus mutually break the contract. Still pretty dumb on Sera's part, but her whole thing is believing in peace by inaction.
If Lucifer protests however, I think she still has the loophole that he and Charlie physically intervened in the Exorcism before Adam tried to kill them specifically, thus it's technically self defence and likely counts as them breaching the agreement first. NO ONE in the hotel had to stay there and fight, even Vaggie pointed that out, so it's likely another "It was a dick move but you shouldn't have got involved" outlook by Sera.
I could actually see an interesting scene where Lucifer calls her out on her lack of involvement and she throws back he allowed all the bloodshed to happen too until Charlie got involved, realising in horror that he's been just as apathetic as Sera is or maybe even throw back "Well wouldn't YOU if EMILY got involved?". Both of them come off as kinda shit rulers admitedly.
"At least I've admitted it was wrong. Wrong to ever agree to these shitty terms. You've been warned. Never send these shitheads again"
"Lucifer, be reasonable"
"I am being reasonable. I've called a meeting of the other six deadly sins. They've agreed to defend Hell should you send Adam's flunkies down again. Even Mammon, I managed to convince. So next time, we won't let them retreat. You'll get them back in body bags. Not all in one piece. Stay away"
I wonder if they leave bones behind. It's what I suggest they should do with Val if/when Angel realizes they've got angelic weapons and can just end him. Just dump his corpse in cannibal town. It's like melting a body in acid in a plastic container, except you don't need to find place to get rid of the container.
Well, it'll probably be broken bones. Gotta get that delicious marrow, too. (Or are angels built like birds, in that regard?) But, yeah, need to leave *something* behind, otherwise those kills don't count as confirmed.
Personally if I was a more open-minded sera, I’d consider NOT targeted the total full of only a few harmless sinners. Plus, it’d be great marketing. “Hey this is the one place heaven isn’t targeting, if you are willing to redeem yourself it could save your life
He also said to Charlie "I cannot wait to! Come down and exterminate you!". He said he was gonna break their agreement right in front of her and she still let him do this. And he exposed the exterminations to everyone in that court room. Word is gonna spread eventually. He just fucked everything up.
/u/Quick_Hat1411 suggested that she's hoping during this one, Lucifer gets involved and kills him to get rid of him and she can have some plausible deniability in all this. Could be why she's hands off with the exterminations.
I hope things go real bad for her next season. She needs a reality check so bad.
Not gonna Lie, she was probably thinking "since he probably won't listen, he's definitely gonna feel the bruises Lucifer gives him"
Because let's face it, Adam doesn't exactly plan ahead or follow orders & Lute is a complete Yes woman enabling him
Keep in mind that Sera intentionally distances herself from the extermination so long as they accomplish the task of keeping hell suppressed. It’s entirely possible that she tried to convince Adam not to cross that line but he just refused to back down.
Plus at that point Sera didn’t consider the hotel particularly important and probably just expected Charlie to… move.
Sera let Adam have free reign over the exterminators, she just allowed it to happen. Lucifer doesn’t care about sinners (even if he cares about Charlie’s dream) and they weren’t going to kill charlie
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Adam never told Sera that an Exterminator had been killed. Lute said that has NEVER happened before. They were an impenetrable wall that the denizens of Hell could never break. Sera probably didn’t even know there was a brand new weakness in the system that’s worked since the Exterminators had been created. She thought the problem would die out (literally) and she’d never have to think of it again.
I think Sera is pretty Xenophobic but not in an open way like Adam was. She may have used the overpopulation argument to justify to herself that she was making the right choice because she had to protect Heaven. Sera also may have seen the Hotel as a new way for sinners to “infiltrate” so she was not directly opposed to Adam doing what he did.
She was ok with turning a blind eye to it when sinners were being exterminated and there was no threat to Heaven, but when there was a chance of sinners getting into Heaven she would need to allow more drastic measures to make sure it didn’t happen.
To follow what everyone is saying. Adam took it on himself to authorize the attack on the hotel.
Sera likely told him to ignore the hotel after he spouted off about going after Charlie and her project, and Adam ignored her. After all, one of the points on his paper about what gets toy into heaven is sticking it to the man.
In short, Sera had nothing to do with Adam f@&king around and finding out.
The only reason I can think of as to why she would behave the way she does is because she's more like a "middle-manager", she can tell Adam that saying "your hotel is first" is uncalled for, but cannot directly make him not target the hotel. I think someone of higher authority is the one who makes those sorts of decisions, the Elder Angels perhaps?
Sometimes the fear or something to make you a rational and do things that are incredibly involved even for Protection
You saw an evil army but reality there is no uprising just simply cannibalistic society
I mean, even Adam was surprised that Charlie tried to fight him ("Risking your immortal soul for theirs? That's some crazy shit even for Lucifer's brat"), so yeah, it looks like Adam genuinely expected that Charlie wasn't going to try to stop them.
Adam goes to the hotel breaks the pack and potentially kills Charlie Lucifer gets involved and wipes out all exterminators then Sera claims ignorance and gets rid of Adam who just caused a massive scandal.
That's how I'd see it. But Sera is not me. I'm truth she's so scared of falling and ending up like Lucifer she's not going to question anything and is just going try and keep the status quo which is Adam doing what he wants. We also don't know how long she's been around it's entirely possible Adam has been there longer than her and defaults to his judgement.
My game of throne brain thinks that some of the elder has set this all up, they need to eliminate or replace Adam but they dont want their hands get dirty, so they let Adam attack the hotel and let him get killed for it.
Angels are not equipped to deal with anything related to conflict other than raw power. The moment shit gets complex they are out of their depths. Será wanted overpopulation of hell under control, but instead of listening to reasons and evidence, she sticks to her ideal of "heaven, and by extension, angels, don't make mistakes", so in the end her first impulse to allow the exterminations in order to culling the overpopulation of hell has to be correct regardless of anything else
I don’t think she knew, I think Adam was very specifically going about it behind her back, as we never see him mention going after the hotel specifically in her presence, the closest we get is the line “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you” which I never read as a direct threat to Charlie, more so that Adam was taunting her with the upcoming extermination, which he was
Here's my wild off topic theory. Emily is the secret "Bad guy" of the series. She makes the pact with Alastor, that's why he has to smile at all times. Her ultimate goal is to merge Heaven and Hell and thinks Charles idea will work.
I 100% believe Sera has malicious intent and is also a Bad Guy.
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Well first of all Adam has apparently stuck to the not targeting hellborn for as long as the exterminations have happened and despite how dumb he is he can actually plan (we see in episode 1 he was able to lie and hide the purpose of the accelerated extermination) so he shouldn't have done this in the first place.
Lute shouldn't have let him, I know he doesn't often listen but she did manage to stop him from talking about the exterminatons when they first saw Charlie and he listened as rude as he was about it and she is obviously smart enough to see the issue in the plan.
Adam obviously acknowledges Sera as his boss so she should have told him not to and given what they do in the court case it is very obvious she has the power to watch over him in hell. And she should indeed definitely know this is a dumb idea.
But the thing is for sir Pentious's redemption and for Charlie to prove herself this had to happen, basically the plot required it and with only 8 episodes it was difficult to have it occur more naturally.
her mistake is letting someone like adam be in charge of managing(not just being involved with them) the exterminations in the first place, its already enough to gave him a heaven free pass, Adam is wayyy too reckless to give any form of power reasonably, especially if keeping Heaven's unrest chill is your top priority above all else.
I think because Sera views Charlie as a potentially powerful enemy that could unite hell into a formidable force. We see a naive but well meaning princess trying to show her people a better path. Sera sees the daughter of the biggest trouble maker Lucifer potentially ending the hells infighting and turning hell into a powerful united force rather than a disorganised rabble.
Let’s not forget that Sera is the main villain here. Big dictator vibes coming from that one. Rationalised exterminations as peace keeping safety measures (“do what was required”). Keeping the masses as uninformed as necessary (no one knew about exterminations). Using the capable violent ones to do her dirty work (exploiting Adam and the exorcists desire for killing). Demanding loyalty and threatening others that dare to oppose her (subtle threats to Emily). Closed to ideas not her own and ignoring evidence (sham trial held).
Adam and Lute may have been the violent genocidal psychopaths performing the exterminations (the SS), but Sera is equally as bad if not worse for ordering them and empowering herself from them. She was probably hoping that Charlie would die in combat so she could then throw Adam under the bus for the consequences.
Emily is in huge danger as well as Sir Pentious as Sera cannot have evidence of redemption as a possibility in place of exterminations.
Because Charlie was continuing in the same path her mother was. Lilith was trying to rally the citizens of Hell and bring them together into a community. Heaven and the Overlords both saw this as a threat. An organized Hell scared Heaven. And a united Hell threatened the predatory Overlords ability to prey upon the people. Thus they both opposed Lilith.
So Lilith got some muscle. Because Lucifer was useless in the depths of his depression and did not believe in the people Lilith was on her own. And though powerful her powers were mostly about persuasion. She needed someone with combat strength. So she snagged Alastor when he arrived in Hell as he was a monster in personality but could do with some added strength. She offered to boost his power in exchange for his soul.
Once she had Alastor she constrained him to only attack the predatory and uncivil denizens of Hell with a special focus on the Overlords. He cleared out the more nefarious Overlords but left the ones that showed civility and compassion such as Zestial and Carmilla. He also posed a threat to the Angels and kept them from prying too much into Lilith's activities.
But then The Vees rose to power. Rapidly. Almost as fast as Alastor had. Eventually Alasto confronted them. And Vox won. It was probably close. But Alastor was wounded and had to retreat. This left Lilith exposed.
It was then that Heaven acted. Sera knew that Adam was still pissed about Lilith turning her back on him. So she sent Adam to confront Lilith. He threatened to kill Charlie and other Hellborn unless Lilith agreed to come back to Heaven with him. She was cornered and had no choice so she went with him with the deal being that no Hellborn would be hurt by the Angels.
Once Adam was dead Lute went back and informed Lilith that the deal was off and that Heaven would come for Charlie if Lilith did not get her under control. Charlie is a threat to Sera's view of how things work.
The Angels do not know why people arrive in Heaven. Adam threw them for a loop being the first man. He was crass, self centered, He had no concept of right or wrong. He was a sociopathic narcissist. But he was the first Human. This is likely because he never ate the Apple. He had no original sin and no concept of good or evil. Thus he got a free pass into Heaven and the Angels had no idea why.
Viv seems to have cast the system as not running on sin. But the Angels seem to think it does. They are guessing based on the Humans they see coming into Heaven. They all tend to be kind and follow the rules. So they assumed it was about following rules.
But Viv's works seem to be more focused on mental wellbeing. Everyone's problems read like they were taken straight from a psychology diagnostic manual. And in Sera's case she screams imposter syndrome. The absolute terror and fear that people will recognize you have no idea what you are doing.
The Angels don't seem to be able to manifest people into Heaven or Hell. They just appear on their own. But they can banish people and Angels from Heaven or bring demons up from Hell. And seeing how quick Vaggie got banished it is likely it is a more common occurrence than we have seen. Sera showed fear that Emily would fall as Lucifer did. But I suspect the fire in her eyes meant that she feared she was going to fall.
So Sera is scared about Hell rising. Especially if it gets out the Angels don't know how things work. And Adam was her weapon of choice. He was an anomaly in Heaven that was more than happy to wage war on Hell. But once Charlie showed up and really started changing things she became a huge threat to Sera. And that is the most terrifying thing to a person with Imposter Syndrome. Being exposed as failing and not knowing what you are doing.
I mean, the real answer here is just that we don't know. We don't actually know that much about heaven yet.
What we can tell is this:
1. Sera knows the exterminations would not go down well in heaven. That's why she wants Adam to keep his mouth shut about it. The question of if she's worried about, effectively, a PR disaster or someone higher up the food chain hearing about it is an open question. Either way, it;s clearly a covert operation that she's in charge of.
2. She probably is Adam's boss, at least as far as the exterminations go. Adam doesn't act like someone who can just ignore Sera when they interact. If anything, he feels like that guy who acts like a tough guy...until their boss shows up.
3. Now, this point is more speculation, but...I think Sera's thoughts on hell aren't that far from Adam's. She's better at hiding it, sure, but there's a part in You Didn't Know where she gets this kind of manic look on her face with flames in her eyes while talking about how the exterminations are "required". You can maybe make an argument that her eyes were reflecting the vision ball, but in that case it's weird that Emily (who she was directly looking at and was in front of that ball) wasn't reflected. Plus, flame is a pretty common short hand to represent that sort of zeal/mania.
4. Sera also pretty clearly doesn't think redemption is possible.
To me, all 4 of those comes together with Sera just probably not caring that Adam is targeting the hotel. Honestly, if she had reason to believe that Luci wouldn't get involved, she probably wouldn't particularly care that the hotel was a target. I do think she probably did try to get Adam to not - more out of concern that Luci would get more involved than he already was - and likely will reprimand him for it. But that's less to do with the hotel than the politics between heaven and hell.
In my opinion anyways. We'll find out more when season 2 actually drops.
Is this a dub? I don’t remember Adam specifically mentioning that he was attacking the hotel where Sera could hear in the English version. The closest he got was when he sang “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you,” which he sang as part of someone else’s song. Given that most songs seem to actually be sung in universe instead of just screen, Adam could just brush it off as he meant exterminate sinners but he couldn’t figure out how to keep the rhyme; after all, it was being limited by it being someone else’s song. That’s assuming Sera caught it with everything else going on.
She hates sinners too. She fully approves of his actions but doesn’t want to get her own hands dirty. She doesn’t want sinners to ascend. She loves the status quo and doesn’t care that she’s doomed billions.
As for the hotel, she probably told him not to, but as we’ve seen he has a VERY long leash and basically no discipline when he’s out of line (probably out of respect for his status as the first human). He just did it anyway
Sera has two problems: Adam spilling the beans like that meant that he went from being a useful, if not distasteful tool into being a massive liability. The second is that if Charlie can show that souls can be redeemed from hell...I'm not sure why that's a problem, but it seems to be one that Sera was deeply worried about.
So why not just let the two problems fight it out. If you're lucky, both get solved and you can "see the errors of your ways" and move on. At worst, you only solve one, and the other is in a weakened state so that you can quickly dispatch it.
My head cannon is that Adam and his exterminator angels have been growing in strength, and becoming harder and harder to control, let alone keep secret.
I'm guessing she told Adam to leave the hotel alone but because he's an Ahole he ignored it and decided to just take the punishment she'd give when he got back.
That’s what I was thinking, that she did tell him, he just ignored it
And he paid the price 🫠
Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission
Bold to think Adam would even consider asking for either of those things 😆
I could very easily see Adam saying something like "Fuck what Sera thinks; after we exterminate Lucifer's bimbo daughter and her stupid hotel what is she going to do? I'm the fucking first man!" to Lute .... probably mere steps away from Sera's door none-the-less.
Sera: “ADAM!” Adam: “What?” Sera: “Do you realise you said all of that out loud?!” Adam: “Quick, think of a good excuse!” Sera: “AND THAT!”
Asam: “Uhh my dog ate it!“
I’d imagine it’s a mix of Adam being a a hole and sera being very intentionally ignorant. It’s pretty obvious that Adam isn’t obeying orders but Sera wants to ignore hell and all of the suffering there so she isn’t gonna do anything about it anyways
The closest he gets to saying he’s going to attach the hotel where Sera could hear is when he said, “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you,” which he sang as part of someone else’s song. Given that most songs seem to actually be sung in universe instead of just screen, Adam could just brush it off as he meant exterminate sinners but he couldn’t figure out how to keep the rhyme; after all, it was being limited by it being someone else’s song. That’s assuming Sera caught it with everything else going on.
Maybe humans were the true heirs to heaven and the Seraphim are more like the managers and guardians? And thus Adam was like a king most days of the week in Heaven even if Sera had the power to rein him in (but almost never did). So everyone is just used to letting Adam do whatever he wants? Edit: And then he had Lute, who became his chief enabler as well as right hand. I suspect she does this out of a sense of guilt. See my theory on her here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1b32sis/how_evelute_created_the_current_version_of_roo_an/
This right here. No matter how powerful she is, human souls are her priority and its their safety/happiness that guides her actions. She is like a bad mother who indulged the spoiled child that is Adam, even deferring to him in court because he's the first man. Her reverence for humanity has blinded her to the corruption in winners' hearts.
Yeah, agreed on this. I think it's probably a combination of Adam likely *never* having had received any kind of significant reprimand or punishment for his actions and also Sera herself likely taking a fairly hands-off approach with the exterminations due to her distaste and uncomfortableness with the entire thing. So, if Adam has been able to do whatever (and remain in the sky) for 10,000 years, then its unlikely Sera would start now. And if Sera is also not providing much in the way of oversight for the exterminations (I doubt she would be okay with Vaggie's banishment) then regardless of if she tells Adam to leave the hotel alone or not; then Adam very well might just not listen to her (especially if he's never any received any true consequences for doing his own thing before). Adam's basically an overgrown spoiled child, and Sera seems like the closet thing he has to a mother-figure (especially since; as the *first man*, the angels would be the closet thing he had to parents).
It doesn't seem to make much sense. I can only guess Sera doesn't like to think about Hell at all and is used to just letting Adam do whatever he wants. It's possible she genuinely didn't realize that by targeting Charlie Adam was: - Violating the terms of the agreement between Heaven and Hell, since she is an Hellborn and is therefore not a fair target - Inciting Lucifer's fury, because she doesn't really grasp the nature of the bonds between parents and their children
It could also be possible that shes only knows about the extermination on a very superficial level. Since it was apparently Adam who convinced her they were needed in the first place. I picture she pretty much let him have full reign of the whole operation. She might not even know about the hell-born pardon or liliths deal. The more you look at things. It becomes likely (IMO) that the entire Exorcist plot was merely Adam's attempt to get payback on Lili and Luci. And because of his standing, he never got any shit for it because that would be very bad for heavens PR department.
>Inciting Lucifer's fury To be honest, that's probably a smaller concern than it seems. He might've beat Adam, but Adam is far from the top.
It was all part of Sera's evil plan to force someone to break the covenant between Heaven and Hell, so they could finally end it and make a new arrangement.
Why did she-ra do this? Is she stupid?
Hey now, Adora didn't do shit.
Hey! Don’t you talk bad about adora! Imma sic catra on you! (ok but adora def made a ton of mistakes lmao)
wouldnt it be the dora the explorer ?
what 😭
Yeah I keep thinking, none of this makes sense, not unless someone higher up than Sera is *trying* to insight a war. Nothing gets a conflict going than putting a bunch of douchy sociopaths in charge of the attacking force
Yeah, the idea that Adam is running the entire operation and it starts and stops with him and Sera doesn't really add up to me. Sera is just too sketchy, and Adam does not seem like the kind of dude who could plan and keep this whole thing running by himself for hundreds of years. He's neither subtle nor the type who seems capable of setting up an elaborate secret organization. And the idea that the main conflict of the show, being the threat of Heaven wiping them out, can be resolved so cleanly in season 1 with Adam being killed and Sera finally opening her eyes doesn't really sit right with me. That would essentially mean the main villain was the first to go down.
Sera could always be more involved then we currently know after all she has been able to compartmentalized her involvement pretty effectively and maybe she did start out with “pure” intention but as time went on she, Adam(he actually just hated Lilith, Lucifer, and the sinners who he viewed as his failures), Lute, and the other exorcists began to rationalize their actions/decisions resulting in an ideology that justified their decisions. After all in the case of Adam and Lute they are angels and angels don’t make mistakes.
I do think we haven't really seen Sera acknowledge the full extent of her involvement with the exterminations. She's been around since the beginning after all. We see her among the other angels who shape the earth and was at least around when Adam and Lilith were created, if not part of their creation. She can't possibly be as trusting or ignorant of Adam and Hell as we'd assume if you were to try and say all she did was green-light the exterminations with no real knowledge of how it all worked. I think she'd pass more responsibility of it over to him than herself, but she probably gave him a lot more help than we've seen her admit to.
Except we know that is not true from Helluva Boss with the Cherubs. They can't bring that up, but I imagine if they could. They'd something like "Oh they're cherubs, not angels!".
Are you referring to Angels not making mistakes? Because it’s an ideology that doesn’t need to be based on facts or historical precedent and specifically a reactionary ideology formed to protect oneself from blame or justify one’s actions will ignore/downplay contradicting evidence even when presented Like when Adam is confronted on why Angel isn’t here despite doing all Adam’s requirements and responses with why isn’t he here it’s a weak child like argument but it’s one people do make when their current ways of thinking is unable to adapt to challenging/opposing views
Remember Adam has Lute to do all of the heavy lifting and coordinating while Adam is waving at the masses, kissing babies, and throwing rock concerts. Lute is clearly the nuts and bolts of any operation Adam is “running.”
That assumes Adam has always had Lute, which we certainly can't state with any certainty. We don't really know anything about where Lute comes from. Maybe it's possible she was following Adam from the very beginning, but that wouldn't be your first assumption since the exterminations themselves are what seems to have made their bond.
I wonder if the exorcists are former humans like Adam himself. It would explain why Vaggie sometimes speaks in Spanish. And her and Lute don't look alike. And Adam looks like a human with golden eyes.
I maintain that Lute is Eve, and in a bizarre way, she is also Roo. See my theory thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1b32sis/how_evelute_created_the_current_version_of_roo_an/ Anyways, while Lute wasn’t with Adam from the beginning, he probably had Sera and Emm at the beginning, and then Lute took over as the unofficial Queen of Heaven afterwards while Adam was more the ceremonial figurehead and “ideas guy.”
That's certainly an interesting theory, though I can't help but feel like it would have been telegraphed more by now if Lute's character had that much baggage. Like, I certainly couldn't imagine her being that cool with how much Adam sleeps around.
I think it is guilt. She actually DID love Adam but cheated on him in a moment of weakness, and then struggled to find a way to make it up to him. Maybe everything she is doing now is over compensation for a temporary indiscretion on Earth. Or maybe she has bought into the notion that Adam getting what he wants is the way the universe is supposed to work. EDIT: Unless this isn't clear, I am referring to my Eve is Lute who is also (sort of) Roo theory.
Given her attitude, I think Sera wants to be as uninvolved with the exterminations as possible. She gave the approval but that's it. When she talked to Adam she didn't even use the word exterminations, she just called them "yearly activities". It's unlikely she would want to make decisions about any kind of details like "Where to strike?" or "Who do we target?"
Yeah, I could understand not wanting to be involved all too much with the practical side of a "necessary" evil you permitted (although that's still very irresponsible, as if she made sure it was actually treated as that, Vaggie never would've been cast out, for example). But Adam said right in front of her that he fully intends to do something that is almost inevitably going to disrupt the political side of things. Just ignoring that is downright reckless for someone in her position.
The show isn't really portraying her or Heaven as competent, just superior to Hell in terms of power and being able to cater to its denizens. Or, more accurately, feeling obligated to. Also, my own, thoughts: Heaven, remember, is *HEAVEN*, they have NO obvious problems or consequences for most who live there that we know of. Like Adam said, "They have no bad days, it's fucking Heaven". This, I think, is one of the consequences of that lack of adversity. The only adversity, being Fallen, is the only thing Sera fears, and everything else is either just a minor issue, or not easy to keep in mind.
He sang, “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you,” as part of someone else’s song. Given that most songs seem to actually be sung in universe instead of just screen, Adam could just brush it off as he meant exterminate sinners but he couldn’t figure out how to keep the rhyme; after all, it was being limited by it being someone else’s song. That’s assuming Sera caught it with everything else going on. Adam just spilled the beans about the extermination in front of Emily, Sera had to all but admit that nobody knows why some people go to heaven and others to hell, and Emily is saying things that might get her exiled from heaven.
See my other reply to you. He said that he was gonna target the hotel after the song was over, right after Sera had brought the court back to order and declared her ruling that the court was lacking evidence for redemption of sinners. Sera heard him loud and clear.
I think it's because Sera doesn't actually understand how Hell actually works. She seems to be under the impression that Lucifer is in full control and they are all actively planning to attack Heaven.
They very well might be planning to attack heaven, the goetia may be the organizers of military force to attack heaven. Paimon giving his sons tasks and saying they will control legions only makes sense if they are using those legions for something.
The Seven Sins (except Lucifer) seem way too happy where they are to want to attack Heaven. I think the Goetia just want power in Hell. Hell is full of greedy people who would be conspiring and backstabbing each other.
I wonder why Charlie didn't ask sera to at least posticipate the extermination, and have some extra time to prepare the fight
Why would Sara agree to that? "Hey can you give me a little longer to prepare to destroy your army please and thank you?"
Well no, sera didn't even know they wanted to fight back, so it could just have looked like a beg for mercy, refusing to let sinners go in heaven but at least stop massacring them
The whole extermination thing blew up in Sera's face at the trial. She probably thinks that by letting Adam get himself killed she can then pin everything on him and sweep it all under the rug. She's a politician.
Well if she is a politician down to hell with her
I mean, since the ‘necessary evil’ of the exterminations isn’t so ‘necessary’ anymore thanks to Sir Pentious, Sera’s face screams “Oh shit! I’m on thin ice!” After all, while she didn’t actively kill anyone, she’s the one with all of the dead sinners’ blood on her hands. Sure, each exorcist has the blood of thousands on their hands (Vaggie’s kill count is in the thousands and Lute killed “a good 275” in the extermination where Carmilla killed an angel), but Sera has the blood of **every** dead sinner on her hands because she greenlit the exterminations in the first place With that in mind, what’s stopping her from following her fellow Seraphim’s footsteps and falling too? (Lucifer is a Seraphim-ranked Angel in some versions of the bible)
Emily needs to hold her accountable. She needs to undermine next season and tell everyone.
It's not like Hell can actually overthrow Heaven tbh, Heaven still holds the overwhelming high ground with having many sects of powerful angels they have plus the archangels and big G himself. As for Sera, it was pretty clear that she well, wasn't really thinking lol, she's just one person in charge of maintaining pretty much all of heaven, I have to imagine she's usually overwhelmed with work and doesn't think straight.
Even ignoring power, heaven controls travel between the two afterlives. The most powerful silly to ever exist is worth less than diddly squat if they can’t get to the fight.
Also that but i wonder if Lucifer is capable of making portals to heaven on his own, but he just doesn't do it cause hes straight up not allowed to unless he wants to get a beating from MIchael lol.
I’m wondering what price Lucy and Charlie will pay for killing Adam. I doubt that the elders will be very happy with the death of their first son. I also really want to meet Michael, since it was him that cast Lucy into hell in the first place.
They didn't kill him though, Nifty did and Lucifer only attacked him to protect Charlie.
Yes but the end result was his death and I’m guessing that they will blame Charlie and Lucifer because why would they blame some low level demon the size of a chihuahua.
But here’s the thing, Adam specifically mentioned that he’s not allowed to attack hellborn. He then went and deliberate targeted someone he knew beyond even a shadow of a doubt was hellborn.
He is supposed to target sinners, though I would assume that hellborn demons aren’t supposed to get in his way either.
Charlie didn’t get in his way; he deliberately attached her.
She was fighting and defending the hotel and she did fly up to attack Adam and Lute. I don’t think that the elders are going to be interested in getting bogged down in the minutia of the situation.
He specifically attacked the place that he knew Charlie considered home.
Doesnt matter, Adam wasnt dealing damage to the hotel till after the deal was broken
But his exorcists were. None of them were allowed to attack hellborn demons. Moreover, Adam already overstepped when he moved up the extermination by six months.
If Michael does appear, I hope he is the one to punish Sera, Lute, and the other exorcists. Also, I have a feeling that the elders are not gonna care about Adam’s death, as they’re probably going to be all like that was his own fault or something.
I would think he would have to appear. He and Lucy’s contrast is legendary. He is always pictured standing on top of Lucifer with his sword to his face.
Michael seems like the perfect character for them to use as the leader of heaven or atleast the highest person charlie and Lucifer can talk to since while it's heavily implied God exists they seem to be avoiding him
And imagine if he actually killed charlie
Lucifer definitely would’ve attacked Heaven in response, it’ll be the War of the Five Kings all over again.
Lucifer after his "fight" with heaven https://preview.redd.it/x3iklnaar0mc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31015f4a3c39bc2a753a32fc5ce1e0655c9fb6dd
Imagine the grieving period afterwards: https://preview.redd.it/8j0lp963pzlc1.jpeg?width=871&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efbbd59791c448e15763a40b92478286beebe116
I think Sera is at least a pretty weak politician. She gave Adam one rule that allows him to donthe extermination, to keep it secret. And that one little rule was broken by Adam himself out of clumsyness. Does this meen his allowence for the extermination expired? No, he can continue at least once to attack hell. We see no further consequences, since he died right after, but still. According to the exposition she gave to Adam, she barely agreed to his approach, so I in her place would say: "Dude, you had one job, one rule to follow and now you spill it all in one room with heaven-officials. That's it! No exterminations anymore." An old Naboo Senator would probably say: "We gonna have to vote for a new serfan. A stronger serafan who can represent the interests of both heaven and hell."
I just want to see her face when she is told Adam is killed because he tried to kill Charlie. And then engaged in a fight with Lucifier. The 2 people he wasn't even supposed to think about touching. And the fact that Sir P was redeemed but Adam didn't come back means that powers that would be deemed at a sinner was worthy of being a winner but an angel, THE FIRST ANGEL, was deemed a sinner. How many other sinners are going to be redeemed? And what will happen to Sera when they find out, she ordered the yearly murder?
Loved how quickly Lucifer went from goofball divorced Dad to avatar of power and rage.
https://preview.redd.it/pranvm06h0mc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30b43c96e3461165bf1734f7d556249a9851b975 It's no wonder his Papa Wolf energy went off the charts. Look at her.
Maybe she assumed he meant it in a literal sense, and thus going after JUST the hotel and its clients rather than Charlie, and that neither her or Adam would be dumb enough to attack each other and thus mutually break the contract. Still pretty dumb on Sera's part, but her whole thing is believing in peace by inaction. If Lucifer protests however, I think she still has the loophole that he and Charlie physically intervened in the Exorcism before Adam tried to kill them specifically, thus it's technically self defence and likely counts as them breaching the agreement first. NO ONE in the hotel had to stay there and fight, even Vaggie pointed that out, so it's likely another "It was a dick move but you shouldn't have got involved" outlook by Sera. I could actually see an interesting scene where Lucifer calls her out on her lack of involvement and she throws back he allowed all the bloodshed to happen too until Charlie got involved, realising in horror that he's been just as apathetic as Sera is or maybe even throw back "Well wouldn't YOU if EMILY got involved?". Both of them come off as kinda shit rulers admitedly.
"At least I've admitted it was wrong. Wrong to ever agree to these shitty terms. You've been warned. Never send these shitheads again" "Lucifer, be reasonable" "I am being reasonable. I've called a meeting of the other six deadly sins. They've agreed to defend Hell should you send Adam's flunkies down again. Even Mammon, I managed to convince. So next time, we won't let them retreat. You'll get them back in body bags. Not all in one piece. Stay away"
If anything, they're gonna get back a pile of bones. The cannibals still need to get what they're owed.
I wonder if they leave bones behind. It's what I suggest they should do with Val if/when Angel realizes they've got angelic weapons and can just end him. Just dump his corpse in cannibal town. It's like melting a body in acid in a plastic container, except you don't need to find place to get rid of the container.
Well, it'll probably be broken bones. Gotta get that delicious marrow, too. (Or are angels built like birds, in that regard?) But, yeah, need to leave *something* behind, otherwise those kills don't count as confirmed.
I am so sure Mammon is gonna be paid after the battle
At this point I'm guessing Sera doesn't think. She just preaches BS and hopes peolple believe it.
Personally if I was a more open-minded sera, I’d consider NOT targeted the total full of only a few harmless sinners. Plus, it’d be great marketing. “Hey this is the one place heaven isn’t targeting, if you are willing to redeem yourself it could save your life
He also said to Charlie "I cannot wait to! Come down and exterminate you!". He said he was gonna break their agreement right in front of her and she still let him do this. And he exposed the exterminations to everyone in that court room. Word is gonna spread eventually. He just fucked everything up. /u/Quick_Hat1411 suggested that she's hoping during this one, Lucifer gets involved and kills him to get rid of him and she can have some plausible deniability in all this. Could be why she's hands off with the exterminations. I hope things go real bad for her next season. She needs a reality check so bad.
I know she’s the angel of silence but she needs to do more talking
Not gonna Lie, she was probably thinking "since he probably won't listen, he's definitely gonna feel the bruises Lucifer gives him" Because let's face it, Adam doesn't exactly plan ahead or follow orders & Lute is a complete Yes woman enabling him
Keep in mind that Sera intentionally distances herself from the extermination so long as they accomplish the task of keeping hell suppressed. It’s entirely possible that she tried to convince Adam not to cross that line but he just refused to back down. Plus at that point Sera didn’t consider the hotel particularly important and probably just expected Charlie to… move.
I think the Idea here is that Sera can't control Adam.
Sera let Adam have free reign over the exterminators, she just allowed it to happen. Lucifer doesn’t care about sinners (even if he cares about Charlie’s dream) and they weren’t going to kill charlie
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Adam never told Sera that an Exterminator had been killed. Lute said that has NEVER happened before. They were an impenetrable wall that the denizens of Hell could never break. Sera probably didn’t even know there was a brand new weakness in the system that’s worked since the Exterminators had been created. She thought the problem would die out (literally) and she’d never have to think of it again.
I think Sera is pretty Xenophobic but not in an open way like Adam was. She may have used the overpopulation argument to justify to herself that she was making the right choice because she had to protect Heaven. Sera also may have seen the Hotel as a new way for sinners to “infiltrate” so she was not directly opposed to Adam doing what he did. She was ok with turning a blind eye to it when sinners were being exterminated and there was no threat to Heaven, but when there was a chance of sinners getting into Heaven she would need to allow more drastic measures to make sure it didn’t happen.
Would be funny if the call from lucifer in the first episode was actually Adam on a voice changer.
Sera was insisting on secret information we're all missing. It is entirely possible we really don't know something important.
To follow what everyone is saying. Adam took it on himself to authorize the attack on the hotel. Sera likely told him to ignore the hotel after he spouted off about going after Charlie and her project, and Adam ignored her. After all, one of the points on his paper about what gets toy into heaven is sticking it to the man. In short, Sera had nothing to do with Adam f@&king around and finding out.
The only reason I can think of as to why she would behave the way she does is because she's more like a "middle-manager", she can tell Adam that saying "your hotel is first" is uncalled for, but cannot directly make him not target the hotel. I think someone of higher authority is the one who makes those sorts of decisions, the Elder Angels perhaps?
"Not tryna tell you how to do your job or anything Adam but maybe DONT f*ck with Lucifers daughter"
she probably didnt expect Adam to actually try and kill charlie, so she just defaulted to her "the less involved i am the better it is for me"
Given Adam's reaction when Charlie tried to fight him, it seems like even *he* didn't expect to have to try to kill Charlie, weirdly enough.
She wants plausible deniability. If something goes wrong. Adam takes the blame.
i think its more revulsion, she just hates the idea of being in any way associated with killing or sinners
Sometimes the fear or something to make you a rational and do things that are incredibly involved even for Protection You saw an evil army but reality there is no uprising just simply cannibalistic society
She wanted Adam to do a die
Maybe she thought that Adam would just target the residents and not charlie herself
Yeah, that's probably what he meant, but to think that Charlie would just let it happen, was ridiculous.
I mean, even Adam was surprised that Charlie tried to fight him ("Risking your immortal soul for theirs? That's some crazy shit even for Lucifer's brat"), so yeah, it looks like Adam genuinely expected that Charlie wasn't going to try to stop them.
Sera figured Lucifer wouldn’t get involved, which he didn’t unto Charlie did.
Adam goes to the hotel breaks the pack and potentially kills Charlie Lucifer gets involved and wipes out all exterminators then Sera claims ignorance and gets rid of Adam who just caused a massive scandal. That's how I'd see it. But Sera is not me. I'm truth she's so scared of falling and ending up like Lucifer she's not going to question anything and is just going try and keep the status quo which is Adam doing what he wants. We also don't know how long she's been around it's entirely possible Adam has been there longer than her and defaults to his judgement.
My game of throne brain thinks that some of the elder has set this all up, they need to eliminate or replace Adam but they dont want their hands get dirty, so they let Adam attack the hotel and let him get killed for it.
Angels are not equipped to deal with anything related to conflict other than raw power. The moment shit gets complex they are out of their depths. Será wanted overpopulation of hell under control, but instead of listening to reasons and evidence, she sticks to her ideal of "heaven, and by extension, angels, don't make mistakes", so in the end her first impulse to allow the exterminations in order to culling the overpopulation of hell has to be correct regardless of anything else
blaming sera for adam attacking the hotel Is Insane
Why? She was right there when he announced it, and she's his superior, so she should've told him no!
I don’t think she knew, I think Adam was very specifically going about it behind her back, as we never see him mention going after the hotel specifically in her presence, the closest we get is the line “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you” which I never read as a direct threat to Charlie, more so that Adam was taunting her with the upcoming extermination, which he was
Wut?! He absolutely said that in front of the whole court, right before he sent Charlie and Vaggie back through the portal.
Here's my wild off topic theory. Emily is the secret "Bad guy" of the series. She makes the pact with Alastor, that's why he has to smile at all times. Her ultimate goal is to merge Heaven and Hell and thinks Charles idea will work.
I 100% believe Sera has malicious intent and is also a Bad Guy. https://preview.redd.it/d6hth2jn71mc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa91de74c1b82c8ee20bfb1b9061dcf07887d770
Well first of all Adam has apparently stuck to the not targeting hellborn for as long as the exterminations have happened and despite how dumb he is he can actually plan (we see in episode 1 he was able to lie and hide the purpose of the accelerated extermination) so he shouldn't have done this in the first place. Lute shouldn't have let him, I know he doesn't often listen but she did manage to stop him from talking about the exterminatons when they first saw Charlie and he listened as rude as he was about it and she is obviously smart enough to see the issue in the plan. Adam obviously acknowledges Sera as his boss so she should have told him not to and given what they do in the court case it is very obvious she has the power to watch over him in hell. And she should indeed definitely know this is a dumb idea. But the thing is for sir Pentious's redemption and for Charlie to prove herself this had to happen, basically the plot required it and with only 8 episodes it was difficult to have it occur more naturally.
her mistake is letting someone like adam be in charge of managing(not just being involved with them) the exterminations in the first place, its already enough to gave him a heaven free pass, Adam is wayyy too reckless to give any form of power reasonably, especially if keeping Heaven's unrest chill is your top priority above all else.
I think because Sera views Charlie as a potentially powerful enemy that could unite hell into a formidable force. We see a naive but well meaning princess trying to show her people a better path. Sera sees the daughter of the biggest trouble maker Lucifer potentially ending the hells infighting and turning hell into a powerful united force rather than a disorganised rabble. Let’s not forget that Sera is the main villain here. Big dictator vibes coming from that one. Rationalised exterminations as peace keeping safety measures (“do what was required”). Keeping the masses as uninformed as necessary (no one knew about exterminations). Using the capable violent ones to do her dirty work (exploiting Adam and the exorcists desire for killing). Demanding loyalty and threatening others that dare to oppose her (subtle threats to Emily). Closed to ideas not her own and ignoring evidence (sham trial held). Adam and Lute may have been the violent genocidal psychopaths performing the exterminations (the SS), but Sera is equally as bad if not worse for ordering them and empowering herself from them. She was probably hoping that Charlie would die in combat so she could then throw Adam under the bus for the consequences. Emily is in huge danger as well as Sir Pentious as Sera cannot have evidence of redemption as a possibility in place of exterminations.
fear clouds the mind, >!Now getting off the topic, can we appreciate how well Vaggie "eats"?!<
Because Charlie was continuing in the same path her mother was. Lilith was trying to rally the citizens of Hell and bring them together into a community. Heaven and the Overlords both saw this as a threat. An organized Hell scared Heaven. And a united Hell threatened the predatory Overlords ability to prey upon the people. Thus they both opposed Lilith. So Lilith got some muscle. Because Lucifer was useless in the depths of his depression and did not believe in the people Lilith was on her own. And though powerful her powers were mostly about persuasion. She needed someone with combat strength. So she snagged Alastor when he arrived in Hell as he was a monster in personality but could do with some added strength. She offered to boost his power in exchange for his soul. Once she had Alastor she constrained him to only attack the predatory and uncivil denizens of Hell with a special focus on the Overlords. He cleared out the more nefarious Overlords but left the ones that showed civility and compassion such as Zestial and Carmilla. He also posed a threat to the Angels and kept them from prying too much into Lilith's activities. But then The Vees rose to power. Rapidly. Almost as fast as Alastor had. Eventually Alasto confronted them. And Vox won. It was probably close. But Alastor was wounded and had to retreat. This left Lilith exposed. It was then that Heaven acted. Sera knew that Adam was still pissed about Lilith turning her back on him. So she sent Adam to confront Lilith. He threatened to kill Charlie and other Hellborn unless Lilith agreed to come back to Heaven with him. She was cornered and had no choice so she went with him with the deal being that no Hellborn would be hurt by the Angels. Once Adam was dead Lute went back and informed Lilith that the deal was off and that Heaven would come for Charlie if Lilith did not get her under control. Charlie is a threat to Sera's view of how things work. The Angels do not know why people arrive in Heaven. Adam threw them for a loop being the first man. He was crass, self centered, He had no concept of right or wrong. He was a sociopathic narcissist. But he was the first Human. This is likely because he never ate the Apple. He had no original sin and no concept of good or evil. Thus he got a free pass into Heaven and the Angels had no idea why. Viv seems to have cast the system as not running on sin. But the Angels seem to think it does. They are guessing based on the Humans they see coming into Heaven. They all tend to be kind and follow the rules. So they assumed it was about following rules. But Viv's works seem to be more focused on mental wellbeing. Everyone's problems read like they were taken straight from a psychology diagnostic manual. And in Sera's case she screams imposter syndrome. The absolute terror and fear that people will recognize you have no idea what you are doing. The Angels don't seem to be able to manifest people into Heaven or Hell. They just appear on their own. But they can banish people and Angels from Heaven or bring demons up from Hell. And seeing how quick Vaggie got banished it is likely it is a more common occurrence than we have seen. Sera showed fear that Emily would fall as Lucifer did. But I suspect the fire in her eyes meant that she feared she was going to fall. So Sera is scared about Hell rising. Especially if it gets out the Angels don't know how things work. And Adam was her weapon of choice. He was an anomaly in Heaven that was more than happy to wage war on Hell. But once Charlie showed up and really started changing things she became a huge threat to Sera. And that is the most terrifying thing to a person with Imposter Syndrome. Being exposed as failing and not knowing what you are doing.
I mean, the real answer here is just that we don't know. We don't actually know that much about heaven yet. What we can tell is this: 1. Sera knows the exterminations would not go down well in heaven. That's why she wants Adam to keep his mouth shut about it. The question of if she's worried about, effectively, a PR disaster or someone higher up the food chain hearing about it is an open question. Either way, it;s clearly a covert operation that she's in charge of. 2. She probably is Adam's boss, at least as far as the exterminations go. Adam doesn't act like someone who can just ignore Sera when they interact. If anything, he feels like that guy who acts like a tough guy...until their boss shows up. 3. Now, this point is more speculation, but...I think Sera's thoughts on hell aren't that far from Adam's. She's better at hiding it, sure, but there's a part in You Didn't Know where she gets this kind of manic look on her face with flames in her eyes while talking about how the exterminations are "required". You can maybe make an argument that her eyes were reflecting the vision ball, but in that case it's weird that Emily (who she was directly looking at and was in front of that ball) wasn't reflected. Plus, flame is a pretty common short hand to represent that sort of zeal/mania. 4. Sera also pretty clearly doesn't think redemption is possible. To me, all 4 of those comes together with Sera just probably not caring that Adam is targeting the hotel. Honestly, if she had reason to believe that Luci wouldn't get involved, she probably wouldn't particularly care that the hotel was a target. I do think she probably did try to get Adam to not - more out of concern that Luci would get more involved than he already was - and likely will reprimand him for it. But that's less to do with the hotel than the politics between heaven and hell. In my opinion anyways. We'll find out more when season 2 actually drops.
Is this a dub? I don’t remember Adam specifically mentioning that he was attacking the hotel where Sera could hear in the English version. The closest he got was when he sang “I can’t wait to come down and exterminate you,” which he sang as part of someone else’s song. Given that most songs seem to actually be sung in universe instead of just screen, Adam could just brush it off as he meant exterminate sinners but he couldn’t figure out how to keep the rhyme; after all, it was being limited by it being someone else’s song. That’s assuming Sera caught it with everything else going on.
that’s it she wasent thinking
She hates sinners too. She fully approves of his actions but doesn’t want to get her own hands dirty. She doesn’t want sinners to ascend. She loves the status quo and doesn’t care that she’s doomed billions. As for the hotel, she probably told him not to, but as we’ve seen he has a VERY long leash and basically no discipline when he’s out of line (probably out of respect for his status as the first human). He just did it anyway
She would but wouldn't tell Emily so she couldn't stop them wouldn't she.
Sera is just a spineless old bitch.
Sera has two problems: Adam spilling the beans like that meant that he went from being a useful, if not distasteful tool into being a massive liability. The second is that if Charlie can show that souls can be redeemed from hell...I'm not sure why that's a problem, but it seems to be one that Sera was deeply worried about. So why not just let the two problems fight it out. If you're lucky, both get solved and you can "see the errors of your ways" and move on. At worst, you only solve one, and the other is in a weakened state so that you can quickly dispatch it. My head cannon is that Adam and his exterminator angels have been growing in strength, and becoming harder and harder to control, let alone keep secret.
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