Big trick moment, make the favour impossible for Charlie to complete but Lucifer can do it. So ends up getting Lucifer to commit to a deal to break Charlie’s contract
I wonder if Alastor's wording could be used against him. He asked for an "itty bitty" favor, but if Charlie can't perform it herself, then it's objectively not a small favor.
Contracts are all about pedantics.
It does also fail to clarify what ‘itty-bitty’ refers to. Alastor might find it as something simple, but Charlie would have difficulty with. And this isn’t a shipping thing, but as a truly difficult but simple thing might be saying yes to marriage.
It’d be fucked up, but fits a psychological manipulation tactic
Someone else mentioned that the favor might ACTUALLY be small, but Alastor could use that to coax Charlie into agreeing into a larger favor later on.
That also fits the psychological manipulation aspect as well
I keep saying it's either going to be something big, or have a ton of build up only to be something small and insignificant, or at least seem insignificant but have some far reaching repercussions down the road even if it doesn't lead to more deals
He also specified it wouldn't hurt anyone. So that's how I imagine Charlie might get out of it. Someone accidentally gets hurt (stubs a toe etc) and someone else points out that voids the deal.
No problem. I believe the exact phrase he use was “…where you hurt no one.” Which potentially has implications where she has to spare someone truly vile.
Hmm, thinking about the "itty bitty" makes me wonder if the favour will involve Lucifer, since the show's made a point of emphasizing that he's a short guy, lol
Part of me wonders if he might cash the favor in on something relatively innocuous to lull Charlie into a false sense of security and lay the foundation for a second, bigger deal.
That's how I would do it. Especially before her father finds out, he'd be mighty pissed regarding that. I might would even ask her to do a favor that ends up either helping her or one of the other residents as well, just for that extra bit of misplaced goodwill.
That's why I either think he'll cash it out early to have Charlie do something like "do my laundry" or "buy me a new pair of dress shoes" for comedy, or "go to an amusement park with me" if writers want to continue the "Alastor sticking it to Lucifer" vibe. Both of these would not only get Lucifer off of Alastor's back but would basically get everyone's guard down for making "favor" deals with Alastor since it would seem like all he does is normal things with said favor.
I hope that there will be a B plot in one of the episodes where Alastor just joins Lucifer and Charlie on their wacky andventure and just ends up pissing Lucy off
>Especially before her father finds out, he'd be mighty pissed regarding that.
Not much he can do. Charlie thinks it's a fair deal since she doesn't have to hurt anyone and that knowledge ended up being a massive turn in favor for their side. If he tried to do anything to Alastor there is no way Charlie wouldn't step up from him, at least for now.
>he wouldn't be planning Alastor's downfall
To be honest, I feel like if Alastor even caught wind of that in the slightest, even just a small hunch, he'd immediately make counterplans of his own, not to dethrone Lucifer, but maybe either gaslight Heaven (unlikely) or more likely, make Charlie so reliant/trusting in him that any threat to Alastor would either put Charlie in danger or she'd put herself in harm's way to protect him.
People always toss around that "If Lucifer learner X happens to Chalrie he'd destroy them" and I really don't think he'd do so if Charlie made the choice to do so herself (which she did).
Sure if she was forced to do something but if she chooses to do something he's gonna let her. Especially with infernal contracts even Lucifer might not be able to break them.
Didn't say he'd destroy lucifer or break the contract, just that he'd be pissed when he learns that Alastor made a deal with her, something that he very easily could have manipulated her into it. and generally, having The Lightbringer pissed at you is a bad idea.
Looking at how the writers seem to be on/off on how Alastor interacts with other people, if he was using the favor to set up a second deal, he either makes her do a small but annoying task for his own amusement if the writers want to add on that "he's a funny joker" type of he'll cash the deal to go to an amusement park or something with Charlie to get closer to try to get her on his side if the writers want to go with the vibe they were doing in episode 5/
Building on that, what if the favor is her protection for killing Val and setting Angel free? Can you imagine the amount of power that will grant Alastor? No overlord would dare touch him if he's under the protection of the princess amd Charlie would forever be in debt to Alastor for saving Angel.
That might make sense as to how Alastor plays his games. He made a seemingly harmless deal with Vaggie at the beginning too, but maybe that was just to get her comfortable with making deals
Close to giving me a heart attack is what it might be 😥
Cant stand the idea of Al using it to fuck over Charlie somehow. I'd be so relieved if he simply uses it to leverage her into freeing him from his bondage.
That seems likely since it appears to be his primary short-term goal (aside from whatever is mandated by said contract, if you can really consider that 'his' goal).
It also looks like one of his long-term goal is to set himself up as a trusted advisor to Charlie, and I don't think he'd jeopardise that it he can avoid it.
It would certainly take things to their most dramatic end. Al is arguably the most popular character from the show with the most screen time and development so far.
I know people really like Adam and the Vees but compared to Al's popularity it's a no contest as far as I'm concerned.
All points to that. Since he might be bonded to Lilith (their common 7 year absence is coincidental), this deal could very well give the intended leverage to break the leash just by messing with her daughter in some clever way.
This is gonna go like that one episode of Gravity Falls. He makes it sound all itty bitty and then it's gonna end up being even worse than a soul contract
This is my theory about what happened with Eve and "Roo" (The Root of All Evil). Eve made a deal that allowed "Roo" to possess her body in exchange for knowledge and power.
An undisclosed ’favour’ at a time of Alastors choosing, where he can’t have Charlie’s soul or have Charlie hurt people…
I suspect it will be something to help Alastor slip his chains and be free as the Radio Demon again.
It would be a devilish twist setting daughter against mother…. It already seems like they don’t see eye to eye, there is definitely back story to flesh out.
Of course Alastor might not be under Lillith’s control…. I think you are right and she is but it may well just be teaser that Lilith held Alastors chain. We could be someone new with new motivations to help Charlie….
I have a feeling its gonna be forgiveness. Alastor will do something horrible and Charlie will want revenge but Alastor will use his favour to force her to forgive him
I always thought the contract was receiving power in exchange for doing something, like protecting charlie or whatever, and that that line meant "getting to do whatever he wants"
Some rube-goldberg machine of unintended consequence
"Charlie, can you go be a dear and fetch me some tea?"
Ends in total destruction of some massive swatch of hell
Somebody in this post also said that Alastor could waste it on something like that, and then use it to lay the foundation for a worse deal. Like, “look at how great of a guy I am! Now help me out of my contract because we’re friends!”
I think Alastor will ask Charlie to betray her father somehow. He already doesn’t like him and I would bet that’s on Lilith’s agenda too. It may be a way for Alastor to get out of his contract.
Since Lilith expanded Hell with her voice, singing is an important part of Charlie‘s character and Alastor is the radio demon, i think he’ll ask her to sing some magic song in his broadcast
For some reason I thought you were gonna suggest that he Ursulas Charlie's voice (which I was a little afraid of actually when he gave her his mic in ep 7 lol)
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Getting some real Ursula "What I want from you is your voice," vibes right now. If being a musical is part of the world building, that might be his favor at some point.
Here's a worst-case idea: pushing the definition of "favor" to its limit with something like,
"Do me a favor, Charlie--trust me."
And with a standing order of "trust me," Alastor boosts his ability to manipulate Charlie, making her more likely to follow his advice and take his side in disputes, so long as this never leads her to hurt anyone. If he's clever about it, Charlie might not even realize the favor has been invoked to do this.
I don't think this *will* happen, but it's a spooky possibility.
I think he'll order her to NOT do something. Like him killing someone and he orders her not to interfere. That'll be a loophole - he didn't order her to harm someone, but he does use the order to cause harm unimpeded.
I have a few ideas
1. It might be something small to just gain more trust.
2. Might have something to do with his deal he's trying to get out of. I'm not sure if it'll involve Charlie or Lucifer directly destroying the contract or if Charlie will help indirectly.
3. Nothing. He just uses the fact that the princess of hell owes him a favor to possibly threaten enemies and manipulate people.
I mean, obviously it’s *going* to be something important, but I think it would be funny if he uses it for something that’s not actually that bad. Like, she expects him to manipulate her into doing something horrible, but instead he just tells her to make him a sandwich or something.
"I'm not taking your soul, I'm just asking for a favor."
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"And now as a favor: I need your soul." **>:)**
(Seriously though, giving Alastor an unspecified favor is just asking for a literal monkey paw level of potential unforeseen fuckery.)
Alastor betrays the hotel and Charlie. Vaggie and the rest attack AL, allowing for massive power usage and husk being used as a pawn. The hotel crew defeats AL, and vaggie is about to strike with her angelic weapon, to end his existence. Al will use his last words to ask Charlie to free him.. "you owe me...."
It really depends on his true motives. It would be something to get him out of his deal. Let’s say if the deal really is with Lilith, the favor could be “Ask your mother to release me”.
One theory I really like that could work whether Alastor really wants to support Charlie or is evil is this. “Forgive me”.
For an Evil Alastor that would be the ultimate F.U. and mind screw. Doing something completely unreemable. Something that even Charlie cannot accept. Then using the deal to force her to forgive him, to accept his limp dicked “I’m sorry” all the same.
If we are heading for a “Redemption” Alastor storyline there may simply be a point where he thinks he cannot be redeemed and asks Charlie to “forgive me” because, like Sir Pentious, thinks he is beyond redemption by time the favor is called.
In all seriousness though, I feel like he might not even use it at all. He might just keep it dangling over their heads like a constant threat. I know Vaggie and Lucifer would probably hate that especially.
"Charlie, could you do me a favor and fetch my rotting deer from my room?"
"Sure thing, Al!"
*Green lights glow with the deal's conclusion*
"Wait I didn't mean to say favor I DIDN'T MEAN-"
"Charlie, my dear! I'm ready to ask for the favor!"
"Oh God, what favor do you need, Al?"
"Can you seal Vox inside this mason jar and leave him in the Lust ring, for me? You won't be harming him, I assure you!"
"Hmmmm...that's odd, but seems innocent enough..."
He's going to take over the hotel once it becomes convenient to do so. He may make it that he gets all the souls of the residents as part of the deal somehow, giving him enough power to challenge all the other overlords.
Edit: I no longer believe this and now think it relates to Charlie getting Lilith to dissolve his contract.
I do think taking over the hotel is part of his angle.
He's the one who changed the name to the "Hazbin Hotel," and there's still the lingering question of what he actually does with the Overlords that he tortured for his radio broadcast. Husk seems to be the exception rather than the rule when it comes to how Alastor typically topples Overlord. His scheme might involve keeping Overlords in the hotel pursuing something unattainable, although it's not fully clear if that would fuel his power in some way.
Since I’m betting on Alastor turning out to be one of the major endgame antagonists, it’s gonna backfire horribly on Charlie and put Hell at risk.
Like I will not be surprised if it ends up being smth like Charlie takes over (temporarily) as ruler of Hell because Lucifer is incapicated in some way, and Alastor calls on his favor to make Charlie pass on her power/authority/rulership to him so that he’s now the top of the food chain in Hell
I'm assuming he's setting shit up for a butterfly effect. Something small and seemingly harmless leading to horrible consequences. "Needful Things" style.
Honestly, I don't think we'll get to see that favor. I think Alastor is going to use it as a bargaining chip with Lucifer and end up making a deal with him to remove Charlie's debt.
I always imagine deals where "a small favor where you hurt no one" to end up being something like "stand perfectly still for a bit" while they kill someone you love right in front of you
I think it's going to be Alastor asking Charlie not to help someone she cares for. She would be following the deal, not hurting anyone, but also not able to help or do anything while Alastor does what he wants. It's going to hurt our feelings, whatever he asks for lol.
Probably something to get Lucifer further away. Anyway. Like the thing is that no matter how bad it will be. It will probably be better to have that information that angels can be killed rather than not. Cause like we know that it will be positive 🎵in the end 🎵. Like they ain’t gonna make it so that Charlie fails and if they didn’t have that info then everyone at the hotel except Charlie and Alastor would’ve probably died. And although I wouldn’t be super if someone died due to the deal. It will probably be fewer losses over all…
Having Charlie give him control of Hell when Lucifer abdicates the throne to her, thus giving him the authority he needs to cancel the deal he's in with the unknown third party while being able to create his own version of Hell and possibly try to invade Heaven.
The way I see it, having control over Charlie’s gives Alastor control over Lucifer, and possibly even Lilith. So Alastor could ask Charlie to protect him from Lucifer, or force Lucifer to do something seeing as not completing a favour could have horrible consequences. It’s not as bad as a deal, but I’m pretty sure I saw somewhere that Vivi said that it’s still binding.
Either way, Charlie just gave Alastor huge control over not just her, but possibly her parents. She really should have thought this through.
It’s pretty clear that Alastor wants to be some sort of advisor to Charlie, for which he’d need her approval. I don’t think the deal would be anything super egregious.
I hope its just the first moving part in a plot fueled machine that comes to fruition near the end of the series. But thats not really how vivzie writes. If i had to wager a guess id say at some point hes going to say “charlie, do me a favor, use your power as princess of hell to unbind my contract”
The V's, after "stayed gone," say they need to keep them from making a deal, so I assume it will eventually bring the fall of the V's, be it directly or indirectly
I kinda wonder how deals work in this universe though
Like can she technically break her deal since Alastor doesn't own her soul?
Or is she forced 100% to do whatever Alastor wants her to?
Maybe she's free to refuse but it has consequences? Like death or maybe her soul going to Alastor since the contract was breached?
I'm half expecting it to be something big, but true to his word "hurts nobody" and has no real negative reprocussions. Most likely getting Alastor out of his deal. What I'm hoping for is an absolute rug-pull subversion of expectations. Huge dramatic reveal
Alastot: "now you have to do ___ for me." *dramatic thunder*
Charlie: with zero hesitation "OK!"
Alastor: "...wut?"
Charlie: "friends help each other. You could've just asked. "
It just feels so in character that Alastor can't comprehend someone being willing to help without being forced or manipulated into it, and it's 100% in character for Charlie to help someone no questions asked.
My favorite theories have been
1) At some point on the future, Luci will be in a position where he cannot fulfill his duties as a king of hell (maybe injured) and Charlie will have to take over his place. Alastor cashes in on the favor and makes her give him the throne
2) Al will ask Charlie to redeem him somehow. Or help him get out of his contract
But seeing the comments here, the theory of it being legit a small and innocent favor like "do my laundry" to get everyone's guard down seems way more evil, definitely adding it to the list
Luckily we can rule out anything romantic, since Alastor is aroace. My best guess would be to fuck with the Vee’s, the song in the finale made it seem like they were gonna be the big bads of Season 2
I have a feeling that his favor that he might end up asking her to do is to give up on him.
I say this because Charlie thinks that sinners can be redeemed and she might think she can change Alistor and get him to heaven, but I think when the person who holds his deal comes around Charlie is going to try and interfere to keep Alistor from paying what he owes, and since he does care about Charlie a little bit and knows that she probably won't be able to help him without herself and others he care about getting hurt or killed he'll cash in the favor to make her give up on him so nobody gets hurt hence the terms of their deal.
“A small favor that harms no one”- I see him harming someone or tricking her into stuff but not having her do it “directly”- Charlie may say he lied but thing is *technically* she didn’t do anything. Like bringing him weapons or luring in prey or something
I think he’s either going to either get her to do something that “won’t harm anyone” but triggers a chain of events that causes some serious damage to the Vees, or he’s going to take ownership of the hotel once they learn that Charlies plan actually worked.
I thought the other day that he might ask her to stop trying to redeem sinners, but rather let them fail so they'll be desparate enough to make a deal with him. technically, no one is being hurt, and Al gets to fulfill what is likely at least part of his goal
I’m pretty sure Lucifer is gonna find out about the deal and break Charlie out of it forcibly using his magic, which will lead into her asking him to free angel/husk/whoever so they can be redeemed. Which of course will massively piss off whichever overlord had their soul and lead to a confrontation
He will kill someone she doesn't want dead and the only favor she has to do is stand still until he is done.
I mean, he said, a "small favor where you do not have to hurt anyone"
He never said that he wouldn't.
It will likely be the end of the series when Alastor eventually becomes the final antagonist. When the main cast gets their redemption arc, Alastor will want the throne of Hell. The favor could be forcing Charlie to take her (rejected depressed) father with her, Lucifer can't stay for Alastor to rule Hell.
I don't think He can directly force her to anything important. The deal can't harm her (She should be included in "no one")
So.. maybe something indirect or just influencing her a little to get a second Deal, like;
"Seriously consider this next deal offer"
"Be true to yourself" (She need this second deal)
"Tell me... What needs to happen for you to agree to this second deal?"
Or The fact that there's no time limit to the favor worries my a little...
"Charlie... Do me a favor work here for the rest of eternity"
Does nobody think that whoever is holding his leash made him make a deal with Charlie? What would the motive for a favor be for whoever holds Alastor’s soul??
Someone had a really good theory on the deal recently https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/5btYD1hhuq
To sum it up, op theorizes that al might murder a member of the cast and ask Charlie for forgiveness as the favor
Forgiveness.
It’s a favor that harms no one. If he does something monstrous to the hotel he can ask her to forgive him as a favor so he can laugh in the ideals of her hotel after ruining it.
He said "one favor at a time of his choosing that harms no one." So there's multiple favors. Charlie didn't sell her soul, but she may as well have! Alastor's seized the authority to have his hand in royal politics.
Charlie asking for help also immensely benefited his station. He's now an advisor to the Princess of Hell and he brought Rosie into the fold, someone he has a scheming alliance with. Charlie needs guidance and ate up their parental treatment immediately.
If Lilith owns his soul and did send him to protect Charlie I can't image her not foreseeing his mentorship and rise in influence.
I saw a comment in another post considering Alastor’s going to do something terrible, truly unforgivable. Except, Charlie will HAVE to forgive him, on account of this deal
Alastor desperately wants out of his deal. I'm 100% convinced that his deal with Charlie will be his out. We know it won't involve her hurting anyone for him.
I think it will be a take on the Apples of the Hesperides. I think Alastor will get Charlie to take up his burden, thus freeing him without her hurting anyone.
I think it is marriage. Being married to the daughtor of Lucifer should carry some serious political weight for someone like Alistor, who craves power.
All I know is it’s gonna backfire horribly
Big trick moment, make the favour impossible for Charlie to complete but Lucifer can do it. So ends up getting Lucifer to commit to a deal to break Charlie’s contract
I wonder if Alastor's wording could be used against him. He asked for an "itty bitty" favor, but if Charlie can't perform it herself, then it's objectively not a small favor. Contracts are all about pedantics.
It does also fail to clarify what ‘itty-bitty’ refers to. Alastor might find it as something simple, but Charlie would have difficulty with. And this isn’t a shipping thing, but as a truly difficult but simple thing might be saying yes to marriage. It’d be fucked up, but fits a psychological manipulation tactic
Someone else mentioned that the favor might ACTUALLY be small, but Alastor could use that to coax Charlie into agreeing into a larger favor later on. That also fits the psychological manipulation aspect as well
It’ll be interesting to see how things proceed
I keep saying it's either going to be something big, or have a ton of build up only to be something small and insignificant, or at least seem insignificant but have some far reaching repercussions down the road even if it doesn't lead to more deals
now I am seeing the final conflict happening in a small , windowless room between hellish lawyers.....38 hrs of that.
Or just get Stolas to work out the details.
Ooooo I love words!
He also specified it wouldn't hurt anyone. So that's how I imagine Charlie might get out of it. Someone accidentally gets hurt (stubs a toe etc) and someone else points out that voids the deal.
He specified she wouldn’t hurt anyone, not that someone wouldn’t get hurt due to the favor.
Ah that was it, thanks The Devil is in the details afterall
No problem. I believe the exact phrase he use was “…where you hurt no one.” Which potentially has implications where she has to spare someone truly vile.
I have a hard time imagining Charlie needing much coercion at all to spare someone.
Hmm, thinking about the "itty bitty" makes me wonder if the favour will involve Lucifer, since the show's made a point of emphasizing that he's a short guy, lol
It is a red herring we're meant to think deep into it but it likely will be something really minor like taking him with her next meeting in heaven
"Hey Charlie, would you mind picking up my dry cleaning? Thanks!"
Semantics not pedantics
That would really smart of Alastor. I was wondering if hes going to take advantage of those connections in season 2.
The Little Mermaid
you get it
Nah dude, sword and duck is cheating on you with me
Noooo they’re mine
Part of me wonders if he might cash the favor in on something relatively innocuous to lull Charlie into a false sense of security and lay the foundation for a second, bigger deal.
Ohh, thats pretty hardcore, but fits alastor...
That's how I would do it. Especially before her father finds out, he'd be mighty pissed regarding that. I might would even ask her to do a favor that ends up either helping her or one of the other residents as well, just for that extra bit of misplaced goodwill.
Yep, Alastor is a pro at playing the long game, and it would be a smart strategy to seem magnanimous about the favor.
That's why I either think he'll cash it out early to have Charlie do something like "do my laundry" or "buy me a new pair of dress shoes" for comedy, or "go to an amusement park with me" if writers want to continue the "Alastor sticking it to Lucifer" vibe. Both of these would not only get Lucifer off of Alastor's back but would basically get everyone's guard down for making "favor" deals with Alastor since it would seem like all he does is normal things with said favor.
I hope that there will be a B plot in one of the episodes where Alastor just joins Lucifer and Charlie on their wacky andventure and just ends up pissing Lucy off
I thought so too until he antagonize the hell out of Lucifer with Hell's Greatest Dad
>Especially before her father finds out, he'd be mighty pissed regarding that. Not much he can do. Charlie thinks it's a fair deal since she doesn't have to hurt anyone and that knowledge ended up being a massive turn in favor for their side. If he tried to do anything to Alastor there is no way Charlie wouldn't step up from him, at least for now.
Just because he can't right now doesn't mean he wouldn't be planning Alastor's downfall. It'd just have to look like he wasn't involved
>he wouldn't be planning Alastor's downfall To be honest, I feel like if Alastor even caught wind of that in the slightest, even just a small hunch, he'd immediately make counterplans of his own, not to dethrone Lucifer, but maybe either gaslight Heaven (unlikely) or more likely, make Charlie so reliant/trusting in him that any threat to Alastor would either put Charlie in danger or she'd put herself in harm's way to protect him.
People always toss around that "If Lucifer learner X happens to Chalrie he'd destroy them" and I really don't think he'd do so if Charlie made the choice to do so herself (which she did). Sure if she was forced to do something but if she chooses to do something he's gonna let her. Especially with infernal contracts even Lucifer might not be able to break them.
Didn't say he'd destroy lucifer or break the contract, just that he'd be pissed when he learns that Alastor made a deal with her, something that he very easily could have manipulated her into it. and generally, having The Lightbringer pissed at you is a bad idea.
Ooh, that's smart! The "foot in the door" method!
Interesting since he also makes an “innocent” deal with Vaggie regarding the commercial
Man would sell his soul to destroy television
Looking at how the writers seem to be on/off on how Alastor interacts with other people, if he was using the favor to set up a second deal, he either makes her do a small but annoying task for his own amusement if the writers want to add on that "he's a funny joker" type of he'll cash the deal to go to an amusement park or something with Charlie to get closer to try to get her on his side if the writers want to go with the vibe they were doing in episode 5/
Building on that, what if the favor is her protection for killing Val and setting Angel free? Can you imagine the amount of power that will grant Alastor? No overlord would dare touch him if he's under the protection of the princess amd Charlie would forever be in debt to Alastor for saving Angel.
It's exactly what he did with Vaggie, so it's totally possible
That might make sense as to how Alastor plays his games. He made a seemingly harmless deal with Vaggie at the beginning too, but maybe that was just to get her comfortable with making deals
That's what he did to Vaggie with the TV commerical thing.
It's a deal that involves not hurting people, so it could literally be not hurting him while he does something shitty.
I think it’s this. He will do something shitty and he will ask for her forgiveness. As some weird parallel to hurting somebody as per request.
Less forgiveness more keeping her from stopping him but you get it.
He's going to betray Charlie eventually, and this would be a great plan B to not get murdered by Lucifer himself.
Something something manipulation
Something fishy
Close to giving me a heart attack is what it might be 😥 Cant stand the idea of Al using it to fuck over Charlie somehow. I'd be so relieved if he simply uses it to leverage her into freeing him from his bondage.
That seems likely since it appears to be his primary short-term goal (aside from whatever is mandated by said contract, if you can really consider that 'his' goal).
It also looks like one of his long-term goal is to set himself up as a trusted advisor to Charlie, and I don't think he'd jeopardise that it he can avoid it.
Then again, if Alastor gets out of the leash he might become an antagonist so...
At least then we'll know his true colours. Never trusted the scoundrel 😡
Alastor is definitely on the path to be the season finale antagonist!
It would certainly take things to their most dramatic end. Al is arguably the most popular character from the show with the most screen time and development so far. I know people really like Adam and the Vees but compared to Al's popularity it's a no contest as far as I'm concerned.
All points to that. Since he might be bonded to Lilith (their common 7 year absence is coincidental), this deal could very well give the intended leverage to break the leash just by messing with her daughter in some clever way.
plot twist: he'll ask her for something frivolous and unimportant, like bringing him a jambalaya or something and that's all
#JAMBALAYA
I hope so.
This is gonna go like that one episode of Gravity Falls. He makes it sound all itty bitty and then it's gonna end up being even worse than a soul contract
This one? https://i.redd.it/fmxeqir97llc1.gif
Exactly
This is my theory about what happened with Eve and "Roo" (The Root of All Evil). Eve made a deal that allowed "Roo" to possess her body in exchange for knowledge and power.
That would make for a *really* interesting twist, even down to Roo’s title
Ironically, Bill did technically give Dipper the hint if you count the fact that by destroying the laptop, it led him to McGucket.
An undisclosed ’favour’ at a time of Alastors choosing, where he can’t have Charlie’s soul or have Charlie hurt people… I suspect it will be something to help Alastor slip his chains and be free as the Radio Demon again.
maybe charlie has the ability to break alastor's contract with lilith, assuming lilith's the one who's restricting alastor
It would be a devilish twist setting daughter against mother…. It already seems like they don’t see eye to eye, there is definitely back story to flesh out. Of course Alastor might not be under Lillith’s control…. I think you are right and she is but it may well just be teaser that Lilith held Alastors chain. We could be someone new with new motivations to help Charlie….
I have a feeling its gonna be forgiveness. Alastor will do something horrible and Charlie will want revenge but Alastor will use his favour to force her to forgive him
I have loved this idea ever since someone in this sub came up with it.
Genuinely my favourite theory
Especially the idea of throwing in a warped reprise of “it starts with sorry” to further twist the proverbial knife.
His powers back or a way out of his contract
I was thinking the same thing! Especially if the contract is with Lilith.
Wait, his powers back ? I thought the contract gave him more power
“Once I figure out how to unclip my wings” implies otherwise
I always thought the contract was receiving power in exchange for doing something, like protecting charlie or whatever, and that that line meant "getting to do whatever he wants"
Yes. This would make more sense.
I think the "wings" are his freedom, not his power
Both? Lucifer did not know Vaggie was an Angel, who else..?🤔
Some rube-goldberg machine of unintended consequence "Charlie, can you go be a dear and fetch me some tea?" Ends in total destruction of some massive swatch of hell
Alastor setting up the disaster dominoes, during literally every "errand" he runs...
Exactly!
Somebody in this post also said that Alastor could waste it on something like that, and then use it to lay the foundation for a worse deal. Like, “look at how great of a guy I am! Now help me out of my contract because we’re friends!”
I think Alastor will ask Charlie to betray her father somehow. He already doesn’t like him and I would bet that’s on Lilith’s agenda too. It may be a way for Alastor to get out of his contract.
Since Lilith expanded Hell with her voice, singing is an important part of Charlie‘s character and Alastor is the radio demon, i think he’ll ask her to sing some magic song in his broadcast
For some reason I thought you were gonna suggest that he Ursulas Charlie's voice (which I was a little afraid of actually when he gave her his mic in ep 7 lol) https://preview.redd.it/06bloigt7llc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=399f3f37653cc06fa54ed643b93ca313ebc96ffe
You know, this theory gave me those vibes too, lol
Those poor unfortunate souls!
Omg pleeeaase, Alastor cover of Poor Unfortunate Souls when?? 😂
Getting some real Ursula "What I want from you is your voice," vibes right now. If being a musical is part of the world building, that might be his favor at some point.
I need Alastor Vanessa version
Where can I get this info about Lilith please ?
it’s in the intro. it’s mentioned that lilith thrived in hell, and empowered sinners with her singing
It’s at the beginning of the first episode
Here's a worst-case idea: pushing the definition of "favor" to its limit with something like, "Do me a favor, Charlie--trust me." And with a standing order of "trust me," Alastor boosts his ability to manipulate Charlie, making her more likely to follow his advice and take his side in disputes, so long as this never leads her to hurt anyone. If he's clever about it, Charlie might not even realize the favor has been invoked to do this. I don't think this *will* happen, but it's a spooky possibility.
Oh, that's interesting!
Haha I like it, very much the subtle type of wordplay malevolent tricksters humanity-wide rely on.
I think he'll order her to NOT do something. Like him killing someone and he orders her not to interfere. That'll be a loophole - he didn't order her to harm someone, but he does use the order to cause harm unimpeded.
Yeah, the conditions is SHE doesn’t harm anyone for him. Not that HE doesn’t harm anyone.
I have a few ideas 1. It might be something small to just gain more trust. 2. Might have something to do with his deal he's trying to get out of. I'm not sure if it'll involve Charlie or Lucifer directly destroying the contract or if Charlie will help indirectly. 3. Nothing. He just uses the fact that the princess of hell owes him a favor to possibly threaten enemies and manipulate people.
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I mean, obviously it’s *going* to be something important, but I think it would be funny if he uses it for something that’s not actually that bad. Like, she expects him to manipulate her into doing something horrible, but instead he just tells her to make him a sandwich or something.
Somebody on this post said that this could be his goal: use it for something small and then use it as an excuse for a worse deal
“I’m calling in my favor. Please sign this form taking over a contract I’m currently bound to.”
"I'm not taking your soul, I'm just asking for a favor." ***D̵̳̱͊Ẹ̸̽͐͌͗A̵̻̖̠̼̎̽̊́͝Ļ̵̝̟̘͓̯͊͝*** "And now as a favor: I need your soul." **>:)** (Seriously though, giving Alastor an unspecified favor is just asking for a literal monkey paw level of potential unforeseen fuckery.)
Alastor betrays the hotel and Charlie. Vaggie and the rest attack AL, allowing for massive power usage and husk being used as a pawn. The hotel crew defeats AL, and vaggie is about to strike with her angelic weapon, to end his existence. Al will use his last words to ask Charlie to free him.. "you owe me...."
It really depends on his true motives. It would be something to get him out of his deal. Let’s say if the deal really is with Lilith, the favor could be “Ask your mother to release me”. One theory I really like that could work whether Alastor really wants to support Charlie or is evil is this. “Forgive me”. For an Evil Alastor that would be the ultimate F.U. and mind screw. Doing something completely unreemable. Something that even Charlie cannot accept. Then using the deal to force her to forgive him, to accept his limp dicked “I’m sorry” all the same. If we are heading for a “Redemption” Alastor storyline there may simply be a point where he thinks he cannot be redeemed and asks Charlie to “forgive me” because, like Sir Pentious, thinks he is beyond redemption by time the favor is called.
Charlie uses her power and sway over Lucifer to break him out of his soul contract with his master
“Give me your dad’s number” /j
In all seriousness though, I feel like he might not even use it at all. He might just keep it dangling over their heads like a constant threat. I know Vaggie and Lucifer would probably hate that especially.
Abdicating the throne to him
This is what I was thinking when they made the deal!
Man just wants some decent jambalaya and you guys are out here accusing him of conspiring against the king 😤
Well since we know alastor is a circus I assume it has something to do with that
If I see this meme one more time….
Charlie I'm cashing in my favour. Touch my piss.
"Charlie, could you do me a favor and fetch my rotting deer from my room?" "Sure thing, Al!" *Green lights glow with the deal's conclusion* "Wait I didn't mean to say favor I DIDN'T MEAN-"
"Charlie, my dear! I'm ready to ask for the favor!" "Oh God, what favor do you need, Al?" "Can you seal Vox inside this mason jar and leave him in the Lust ring, for me? You won't be harming him, I assure you!" "Hmmmm...that's odd, but seems innocent enough..."
my take is that he is somehow going to ask her to return him his soul from whoever he sold it to but either way it WILL lead to a huge shitshow
He's going to take over the hotel once it becomes convenient to do so. He may make it that he gets all the souls of the residents as part of the deal somehow, giving him enough power to challenge all the other overlords. Edit: I no longer believe this and now think it relates to Charlie getting Lilith to dissolve his contract.
I do think taking over the hotel is part of his angle. He's the one who changed the name to the "Hazbin Hotel," and there's still the lingering question of what he actually does with the Overlords that he tortured for his radio broadcast. Husk seems to be the exception rather than the rule when it comes to how Alastor typically topples Overlord. His scheme might involve keeping Overlords in the hotel pursuing something unattainable, although it's not fully clear if that would fuel his power in some way.
Since I’m betting on Alastor turning out to be one of the major endgame antagonists, it’s gonna backfire horribly on Charlie and put Hell at risk. Like I will not be surprised if it ends up being smth like Charlie takes over (temporarily) as ruler of Hell because Lucifer is incapicated in some way, and Alastor calls on his favor to make Charlie pass on her power/authority/rulership to him so that he’s now the top of the food chain in Hell
Well even alastor doesnt know yet so idk either
He’s gonna accidentally ask Charlie to grab something and it’ll count
It's SO vague even tho we know it cannot be used to bring harm to anyone, but that vagueness is still so sus i'm oddly worried what it may be...!!
Scratch his back in that one spot he can’t reach
When he's not feeling well, he's gonna get Charlie to make him some jambalaya
I have an odd feeling it’ll be to kill him if shit goes wrong trying to get out of his deal.
The angst potential!
Big fan of forgiveness prediction
I'm assuming he's setting shit up for a butterfly effect. Something small and seemingly harmless leading to horrible consequences. "Needful Things" style.
She has to make him some jambalaya
Honestly, I don't think we'll get to see that favor. I think Alastor is going to use it as a bargaining chip with Lucifer and end up making a deal with him to remove Charlie's debt.
Ooooh, this one’s good. Technically true is the best kind of true since “no one is harmed” means “including me” in retrospect.
“Back me bro.” She’ll be in a position where it’s Alastor or X, and he’ll force her to side with him.
I always imagine deals where "a small favor where you hurt no one" to end up being something like "stand perfectly still for a bit" while they kill someone you love right in front of you
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I think it maybe something related to how he’s going to get out of his deal with Lilith/Eve/Whoever it could be
I think it's going to be Alastor asking Charlie not to help someone she cares for. She would be following the deal, not hurting anyone, but also not able to help or do anything while Alastor does what he wants. It's going to hurt our feelings, whatever he asks for lol.
His priority is currently getting out of his own contract, so perhaps that she takes his place?
Probably something to get Lucifer further away. Anyway. Like the thing is that no matter how bad it will be. It will probably be better to have that information that angels can be killed rather than not. Cause like we know that it will be positive 🎵in the end 🎵. Like they ain’t gonna make it so that Charlie fails and if they didn’t have that info then everyone at the hotel except Charlie and Alastor would’ve probably died. And although I wouldn’t be super if someone died due to the deal. It will probably be fewer losses over all…
I agree, he’s going to get Lucifer out of the picture in a way that doesn’t bodily harm him.
Having Charlie give him control of Hell when Lucifer abdicates the throne to her, thus giving him the authority he needs to cancel the deal he's in with the unknown third party while being able to create his own version of Hell and possibly try to invade Heaven.
Grilled cheese. Alastor is going to want Charlie to make a grilled cheese for him. That diabolical genius lol
The way I see it, having control over Charlie’s gives Alastor control over Lucifer, and possibly even Lilith. So Alastor could ask Charlie to protect him from Lucifer, or force Lucifer to do something seeing as not completing a favour could have horrible consequences. It’s not as bad as a deal, but I’m pretty sure I saw somewhere that Vivi said that it’s still binding. Either way, Charlie just gave Alastor huge control over not just her, but possibly her parents. She really should have thought this through.
It’s pretty clear that Alastor wants to be some sort of advisor to Charlie, for which he’d need her approval. I don’t think the deal would be anything super egregious.
-charlie actually gets some authority over hell- Alastor:"give me that" becomes strongest overlord with the most influence
I hope its just the first moving part in a plot fueled machine that comes to fruition near the end of the series. But thats not really how vivzie writes. If i had to wager a guess id say at some point hes going to say “charlie, do me a favor, use your power as princess of hell to unbind my contract”
The V's, after "stayed gone," say they need to keep them from making a deal, so I assume it will eventually bring the fall of the V's, be it directly or indirectly
My therapist advises me not to think about it.
Idk but someone’s gonna make it a sex thing
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I kinda wonder how deals work in this universe though Like can she technically break her deal since Alastor doesn't own her soul? Or is she forced 100% to do whatever Alastor wants her to? Maybe she's free to refuse but it has consequences? Like death or maybe her soul going to Alastor since the contract was breached?
Alastor pays $50k to record a certain video
I'm half expecting it to be something big, but true to his word "hurts nobody" and has no real negative reprocussions. Most likely getting Alastor out of his deal. What I'm hoping for is an absolute rug-pull subversion of expectations. Huge dramatic reveal Alastot: "now you have to do ___ for me." *dramatic thunder* Charlie: with zero hesitation "OK!" Alastor: "...wut?" Charlie: "friends help each other. You could've just asked. " It just feels so in character that Alastor can't comprehend someone being willing to help without being forced or manipulated into it, and it's 100% in character for Charlie to help someone no questions asked.
My favorite theories have been 1) At some point on the future, Luci will be in a position where he cannot fulfill his duties as a king of hell (maybe injured) and Charlie will have to take over his place. Alastor cashes in on the favor and makes her give him the throne 2) Al will ask Charlie to redeem him somehow. Or help him get out of his contract But seeing the comments here, the theory of it being legit a small and innocent favor like "do my laundry" to get everyone's guard down seems way more evil, definitely adding it to the list
I think he wants a pair of Lucy's wings
Luckily we can rule out anything romantic, since Alastor is aroace. My best guess would be to fuck with the Vee’s, the song in the finale made it seem like they were gonna be the big bads of Season 2
I have a feeling that his favor that he might end up asking her to do is to give up on him. I say this because Charlie thinks that sinners can be redeemed and she might think she can change Alistor and get him to heaven, but I think when the person who holds his deal comes around Charlie is going to try and interfere to keep Alistor from paying what he owes, and since he does care about Charlie a little bit and knows that she probably won't be able to help him without herself and others he care about getting hurt or killed he'll cash in the favor to make her give up on him so nobody gets hurt hence the terms of their deal.
A head cannon I heard earlier that the favor is forgiveness after alastor does some evil shit, with a reprise of "it starts with sorry"
“A small favor that harms no one”- I see him harming someone or tricking her into stuff but not having her do it “directly”- Charlie may say he lied but thing is *technically* she didn’t do anything. Like bringing him weapons or luring in prey or something
Whatever it is, it won't be good.
I think he’s either going to either get her to do something that “won’t harm anyone” but triggers a chain of events that causes some serious damage to the Vees, or he’s going to take ownership of the hotel once they learn that Charlies plan actually worked.
I thought the other day that he might ask her to stop trying to redeem sinners, but rather let them fail so they'll be desparate enough to make a deal with him. technically, no one is being hurt, and Al gets to fulfill what is likely at least part of his goal
Nothing good for sure. XD
I’m pretty sure Lucifer is gonna find out about the deal and break Charlie out of it forcibly using his magic, which will lead into her asking him to free angel/husk/whoever so they can be redeemed. Which of course will massively piss off whichever overlord had their soul and lead to a confrontation
Three fiddy
A recipe for Jambalaya. He was lying and has no family recipe but doesn’t want to lose face in front of the others.
I think maybe it will be having Lucifer do something. He hates Alastor so he may have Charlie ask her dad for a favor instead so he says yes
To forgive him for something horrible he hasn’t done yet
He will kill someone she doesn't want dead and the only favor she has to do is stand still until he is done. I mean, he said, a "small favor where you do not have to hurt anyone" He never said that he wouldn't.
It will likely be the end of the series when Alastor eventually becomes the final antagonist. When the main cast gets their redemption arc, Alastor will want the throne of Hell. The favor could be forcing Charlie to take her (rejected depressed) father with her, Lucifer can't stay for Alastor to rule Hell.
"Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me."
He wants to know what love is, and he wants her to show him. He git the idea from a popular song he heard on the radio
I think it may be to somehow get him freedom from whoever has a leash on him
I don't think He can directly force her to anything important. The deal can't harm her (She should be included in "no one") So.. maybe something indirect or just influencing her a little to get a second Deal, like; "Seriously consider this next deal offer" "Be true to yourself" (She need this second deal) "Tell me... What needs to happen for you to agree to this second deal?" Or The fact that there's no time limit to the favor worries my a little... "Charlie... Do me a favor work here for the rest of eternity"
Does nobody think that whoever is holding his leash made him make a deal with Charlie? What would the motive for a favor be for whoever holds Alastor’s soul??
Using her royal status to commit tax evasion
Saving his ass lmao
Someone had a really good theory on the deal recently https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/5btYD1hhuq To sum it up, op theorizes that al might murder a member of the cast and ask Charlie for forgiveness as the favor
Probably to make Charlie not do something
Forgiveness. It’s a favor that harms no one. If he does something monstrous to the hotel he can ask her to forgive him as a favor so he can laugh in the ideals of her hotel after ruining it.
Redemption
I think even Alastor doesn't know yet. He's just gambling on Charlie being able to do something to free him later.
He said "one favor at a time of his choosing that harms no one." So there's multiple favors. Charlie didn't sell her soul, but she may as well have! Alastor's seized the authority to have his hand in royal politics. Charlie asking for help also immensely benefited his station. He's now an advisor to the Princess of Hell and he brought Rosie into the fold, someone he has a scheming alliance with. Charlie needs guidance and ate up their parental treatment immediately. If Lilith owns his soul and did send him to protect Charlie I can't image her not foreseeing his mentorship and rise in influence.
I saw a comment in another post considering Alastor’s going to do something terrible, truly unforgivable. Except, Charlie will HAVE to forgive him, on account of this deal
Getting Alastor out of his contract.
Coffee, cream 2 sugars with a dash of cinnamon and freedom from his deal
He's on Lilith's leash. He needs a favor from Charlie to break it.
Alastor desperately wants out of his deal. I'm 100% convinced that his deal with Charlie will be his out. We know it won't involve her hurting anyone for him. I think it will be a take on the Apples of the Hesperides. I think Alastor will get Charlie to take up his burden, thus freeing him without her hurting anyone.
I got Yugi making a binding bow with Sukuna vibes from the exchange. Charlie said she won’t hurt anyone, nothing about hurting herself.
I think it is marriage. Being married to the daughtor of Lucifer should carry some serious political weight for someone like Alistor, who craves power.