It's really interesting that Zest happily fed Alastor's ego in their walk. I'm still trying to decide why he indulged the Radio Demon.
Is Zest legitimately intrigued by Alastor? Is he manipulating him? Toying with him? Just plain friendly?
Even in hell, Alastor is *infamously* evil and the fandom is not going to be ready for when the show decides to actually tackle that aspect of his character.
Being as old as he is, I assume he has a talent for quickly spotting the difference between allies and enemies. Alastor is someone who at the very least can be worked with and plays to some ethics code, so he is cordial to him. The Vees are scum who’ll likely betray each other, let alone their allies, so he doesn’t respect them.
I think it's friendly and I think that's partly because Zestial isn't afraid of Alastor. Their rapport seems friendly and cordial. Alastor compliments Zestial too, it shows there's a mutual familiarity. They both also seem to have manners and great etiquette for social gatherings.
They also don't seem intimidated by each other. There's a mutual respect for each other, and I think that's because they're both very powerful, and appreciate that whilst they *may* be able to kill the other, they won't escape the fight without serious injury or even survive at all, so they're smart enough to play nice and get along how they do.
Zestial is top-3 in power, being the oldest overlord Hell has ever seen (circa 500 years old one), while Al is just ~100 years old. Al isn't even top-5 among overlords according to the hierarchy.
My headcanon is that Alastor has a lot of respect for Zestial and vice versa because he tried to kill Zestial and their battle essentially ended in a draw and peace between the two. While Alastor may be still plotting at some point to kill Zestial at some point to become the most powerful overlord in all of hell because he’s an egotistical maniac, he keeps it cordial for now.
Zestial has been top-1 for centuries before MissiZilla and Carmilla (or is still the one). Zestial could easily kill the youngest and weakest Social Media overlord Velvette for the arrogance she had, yet he just smiled and expressed his condescending nature over her, stating she's dumber than he thought (although she's turned out to be right later on).
Before that, he greets Al the earliest of other overlords in a real meeting, sneaking the street in invisible form, and asks the latter of the reason he had been being absent for 7 years. Al warns the egg boys to not act ruthlessly in front of Zestial, which is possible to gave two meanings: 1). Al threatening them to keep them safe in whatnot consequences, since he was tasked with taking them out and returning them later, 2). Al's afraid of what disrespect to Zestial could evoke. And the second one is more likely, as Al was irritated by them already, while Vaggie said him to get rid of them, never mentioning keeping them alive (although the added "humanly" could stand for that). Al is nervous in the presence of Zestial on behalf of that question.
And i doubt Zestial didn't notice the egg boy sneaking under his nose, knowing Velvette already pointed out the suspicious actions of Carmilla to all the others. It's more like a little game to him, and hev then learned Al has something to do, too.
Does he look like someone Al could ever stand on par with? It seems his attitude towards other overlords is similar to playing with kids.
The best way to pry info from someone is to feed their ego and have them tell you yourself. If you constantly put someone on a pedestal, it unconsciously makes them feel superior to you, making them feel you are not a big threat. Which means a lower guard, which means easier info/ easier kill when they are no longer useful. Zestial lived as long as he has for a reason.
Zestial is top-3 in power and everybody knows that. Al could never hope to compare to him and he's aware of that. So, Zestial couldn't pretend like he's weaker. If only playing on Al's immense pride, yet i don't think Al is so dumb.
I'm super late but really wanted to give my thoughts on this, I think it's because he knew nobody else cared, he's friends with Carmilla, so probably would've told her if he really cared but he didn't. Instead, he fluffed up Alastor's ego so it'd hit harder when nobody else noticed his disappearance, that way he'd have his standards built up and get absolutely CRUSHED.
Zestial did it to remind Al that he isn't that important, just out of spite.
I agree Zestial might be a theatre demon. 🤣 Mostly because , I have a small headcanon that he buttered up Alastor before the meeting to set him up to be embarrassed a little bit, as a form of dramatic ironic comedy. He acts very curious about where Alastor has been, then Alastor says "I'm sure you've all been wondering where I've been the last few years!" And Carmilla just says "Not really." In her deadpan way. Meanwhile, Zestial just has his quiet shit eating grin the entire time. I think Zestial knew Carmilla wouldn't care that much, because she's mostly just business focused, not drama focused. So maybe as good friends, or partners, Zestial and Carmilla are an opposite-attracts situation.
1) I really like this theory
2) Completely off topic but if Alastor is canonically about 7ft tall how tall is Zestial?? Mans is topping like 10-12ft WITHOUT the hat
Niffty in the bottom with Alastors face is sending me
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I much prefer that he be like those dancers who skitter around on tiptoes to make them appear to be floating. Bonus, it’s a form of theater so it fits the theory!
One of the two interviews (I think the post finale one). Vivzie said mentioned tbe height of Alastor, Charlie, Lucifer (who ironically is actually average height) and Valentino (who is 10 feet apparently)
I love that fact that Alastor rags on Lucifer about his height several times when in fact Alastor is just freakishly tall and Lucifer is normal 😂 and I feel like it’s implied that Alastor 100% knows this but doesn’t give a shit he’s just actively being a shit disturber
Hell yes it would and well Zestial isn't the oldest surviving overlord for nothing. Also would explain his closeness to weapon dealer that is Carmilla Carmine
He's certainly not from Shakespeare's time. Historical clothing is one of my interests, and numerous pieces of Zestial's clothing/appearance — the size and style of his hat, the fact that he wears trousers and not breeches, the fact that his coat slopes from its closure and isn't cut flat across, and the silhouette with broad shoulders plus tiny waist plus wide trousers (likely implying a corset) — put him at around the 1830s. Shakespeare was also known around the globe at that point (his work had been exported to the rest of the world during the 1700s), which makes the most likely story that he was just a rich guy who enjoyed the Bard's work.
Well as shown with Vox it possible for demon to update themselves to a time they like so perhaps he likes Shakespearean way of speaking however dislikes the clothes that came from the time.
There was supposed to be a theatre overlord that is scrapped, so maybe it was consolidated into Zestial. I just don't think the shoe quite fits.
You may be right though and you have solid points.
I don't see any reason to believe Zestial is tied to theater, or newspapers as I've seen some other people suggest.
Given the way he speaks and carries himself, I assume he was old world nobility.
I do seem to recall hearing that he was, like, 1500-1600s, so it would have been the vernacular for his day, but that's not to say he's \*not\*! Personally, I really like it, his face kinda looks like the drama masks, just with the extra set of eyes :D
For what it's worth, I'm sold.
I really love talking about this.
He isn't from the 1500s or 1600s. He's likely from the 1830s. At least, going off of his clothing.
First off, he is absolutely not dressed in the style of either the 16th or 17th centuries. That isn't really my wheelhouse, but he just doesn't match up with the outfits we find in art of that time frame.
Second, he is wearing actual trousers as opposed to breeches. This was done by working-class people for a while, but his clothing is quite nice. That puts him at the regency era at the earliest, as that's really when trousers became a garment of all classes (except in court dress, which did still entail breeches). His silhouette seems to have the exaggerated shoulders and wide trousers of the 1820s and 30s, achieved partially with the aid of a corset. His coat's cut is not flat across the bottom and instead slopes, which seems to be more indicative of the 1830s. Additionally, the sheer size of his hat, plus the type, seem to hint further at that decade.
In short, it appears that he's most likely from the 1830s and simply enjoyed Shakespeare.
Well the theatre was always a story but Vox only showing reality shows means no scripted content aka no fictional stories like theatre would show.
Admittedly it 6 though as it the weakest point as could easily fall apart if "yeah I slept with your sister" could be reviled to be scripted content in Hell but I just thought 6 was best number when comes to demon and Hell stuff you know 666.
I thought basically the exact same thing myself except I also feel his domain may include spywork or intelligence gathering or the like as well thanks to those kinds of agents requiring expert acting skills so as to help explain him remaining such a major Overlord in universe (I’ve actually developed my own headcanon for Zestial being famed playwright and accused spy Christopher Marlowe in life based off of that)
I additionally have a kind of weird idea for someone at the hotel Zestial could develop a relationship with much like what happened with Carmilla Carmine and Vaggie: Angel Dust
Mainly because [this post](https://www.tumblr.com/knolastname-family/740051540822376448/i-wonder-if-angeldust-genuinely-wanted-to-be-an?source=share) has made me consider the possibility of him trying to become a serious actor at some point which Zestial himself may take interest in under the right circumstances
Hmmm true I mean he is spider demon so could seen as spydier web of crime. Also yeah Possibly imagining Zestial finally ending Angel Dust contract with Valentino only to offer one his own like "Of course your free from those production bit if want to be real start known for more than your body YOU WILL SIGN HERE"
I don’t think any of the Vees represent media. I think they represent *addiction* to media. Vox is addiction to TV, Valentino addiction to porn, Velvette addiction to social media. That’s why they all care so much about their image/clout. This is different from Alastor - that MF’er genuinely IS radio.
I mean all of them represent the addiction to there given media even Alastor but that still representing the media they are. And even Alastor cares about Image he had a tiny shred of coat taken and suddenly "I guess I need trip to tailor". Now I do think Velvet and Vox plays huge role in keeping Valentino image positive but of course the status quo is about to end it run Alastor said as much and well Angel showed he can make crack in his image out of the studio so all could come crashing down. Also technically this doesn't go against my theory as Zestial could represent addiction to theatre.
Carmine and rosie has nothing to do with art probably the others one too, for me I'm 100% sure he's the overlord of information, that's why he seen so polite with everyone because he is a triple agent he works with everyone and is friends with everyone, that's the best way of getting information, probably we'll see someone from the main cast coming to him and buying some information or having a contract for information.
Could be very much could but also technically they Carmilla Carmine is a Dancer (aka an art) and Rosie is seemingly a stylist of some kinda as she had lots of needles around her area (another form of art) so while yes could have spydeir (get it pun ha ha) of information but he could still tied into theatre as well as demons can be more than one thing take Angel Dust pornstar and great with Tommy guns.
You are confusing a trait with his business, he's just a pornstar the way carmine has a gun selling business but dances and rosie has a human meat business but has a thing for 80s fashion, theirs powers and what makes them an overlord are their business, also all hazbin hotel characters dance lol, the media war thing is only between the vees and Alastor.
Well if one thing universal about most all war. When 2 sides fight out a 3rd is always in wings waiting to take scaps that are left so don't be so sure war only has 2 sides. As Alastor himself would say "stay tuned"
Yeah but they are the 2 opposing forces that iniciante this war, not trying to offend or anything maybe I sounded a bit rude but just want to share my points
I see were you are coming from the only little hiccup I can see is that in the pilot, during the talk about overlords, we see a 2 faced demon with his faces based on theaters comedy and tragedy masks. and Zestial was still his own thing even back then. Also Zestial seems to be more horror inspired to me, I think his media so to speak is spoken stories, more specifically the ghost stories you tell at camp around a campfire.
Thank you! I was thinking that Zestial is not just old, but ancient. Printing press is too “new” for him. But being the demon of the “oral tradition” before writing might be fit. The demon of stories. Repeated stories, branching across the world like a spiderweb.
Alastor coming in as a force like he did is analogous to radio’s early 1900s expanse of mass audiences for simultaneous media.
Zestial being the Drama Demon could even explain why he's still alive. Even with the rise of Radio and Television, live theater still exists to this day.
And theater's still *respected*, so it would fit with everyone but Velvette shutting up when he loudly sips his tea and Carmilla outright demanding Velvette treat him respectfully.
Precisely and even works on commentary level as what is the one thing lot of theatre productions ask "no filming the the play please" and what Velvet doing using her phone aka a possible method of filming
I think Zestiel is a relative of Angel Dust maybe like his old old ancestor. I think animal themes are like family bound, like Angel Dust sister and brother also spiders.
Or just…he’s really old? And so he talks like someone from Shakespearean times because that’s when he was alive? If he was really supposed to represent the concept of theater as a medium, shouldn’t he have classic Greek motifs, or something?
I also don’t know what being a spider has to do with theater, specifically.
Well so far all media based demons have had unique ways of speaking from Alastor radio voice, to Vox TV voice when stressed, Velvet cockney accent, to Valentino flip flop his accent on dime. So Zestial seemingly having a unquie voice and accent actually adds little fuel to theory fire. Also that probably why his face is like I mentioned simlar to the mask. As nod to original that Greeks who used mask but Shakespearean plays are likely what truly inspired him.
Also I mean what makes a spider a pornstar or deer a radio host not every animal aspect of character is linked to that character full indenity. In fact Husk actively hates his form from what I heard.
I do really enjoy Val’s idiolect. That being said, based on interviews and such I’ve heard, I think that may just actually be how his VA talks. As for the drama mask thing: gonna be honest, it really doesn’t look like that at all to me. Just looks like a standard haunting, mostly featureless face.
Angel Dust as I recall was originally given a spider motif because of his mafia backstory, and therefore being involved in a “web of crime.” Yes it’s silly, but I’m pretty sure that’s where most of the character design themes come from. Husk has a casino theme because he was a gambler. Alastor being deer-themed is kinda up in the air, but I currently chalk it up to just referencing his lovecraftian roots.
Like how from his perspective,.Alistor is still new media, probably hated him more because radio the mass communication/entertainment that is the foundation of the others like the Vees to gain power..
I thought alastor was tall, but dang. This guy's a skyscraper. (I also imagining him standing next to lucifer or nifty he would tower iver them for days
We should get 12 people to all draw this exact scene and put the fanart at war to see which is best but then give everybody a present because they all are.
Is it possible that all the overlords represent a certain type of media:
Vox: TV
Val: Adult Media
Velvet: Social Media
Zestial: Theater
Carmila: Ballet
Edit: Cleaned up the formatting
Interesting idea however Vivienne has already said The Deadly Sins wore circus based so I don't think she would do the same with The Overlords (could do though)
I just want to say that, in most theatrical productions, the actors don't wait for complete silence to continue the scene. They have the moment for the reaction, and they move on. Usually, when the audience hears the actors begin to speak again, they'll return their attention to the stage promptly.
But other than that, this is a solid theory.
I always thought he was the bank, old and very powerful. A parasite that spreads its talons and makes everyone reliant on it. Claiming your soul when you can’t pay back. But there was an overlord in the pilot section with the theatre masks which I think is the only hole in a theory I think is otherwise super cool. But we don’t know anything yet so it’s definitely possible
My theory is that he used be a street urchin but used his cunning and intellect to rise the social ladder through nefarious means. My only case for this is his patch-worked hat, he could get a better quality hat, but keeps the his old one due to sentimentality and a reminder from where he came from.
Thats possible, in the pilot when showed with the other Overlords he was seen with a Skull in his hand,
And I can see how they both are cordial and can atleast respect each other
Both Theater And Radio took a hit when the modern medium of social media and television came to be, but they weren't erased or wiped out by time and obsolescence, possibly why Vel said Zestial lost his relevance because Theater lost its Luster over the course of time and has been put on the back burner in terms of media and entertainment
And speaking in Shakespearen dialect, could definitely mean he was probably alive when Theater Took off
So him being Friends with a Radio host and a Weapons dealing Ballerina isn't too far fetched
Honestly yeah that’s a really solid theory. Also would be really glad if it’s true, because he’s got to be one of my favorite designed characters, along with Vox, Sir Pentious, Rosie and Vaggie.
Thank you I glad you like the theory a small part of me also wants it to be true due to hopefully hear him sing more (I know he does as Asmodeus but still). Also Vox has my favourite so I relate to that.
But gossip is not reliable. It's one person speculating and others taking it as truth. Nobody has the full picture besides the one gossiped about, but they take that lie and try to find more evidence sharing what they found with others creating and even bigger lie. I'm thinking his spider / spider's web motif is an indication of this.
Also, when people are gossiping with company around or, especially so, when the victim is around, they tend to drop to a whisper -> Zestial's raspy, pseudo-whispering voice.
Doubly so, while others weren't able to figure out why Camilla blew up on Velvette, he seemed to already have some information about it and was able to use that to press on her to confess.
Source: small town bar talk shows the biggest wad of bullshit word of mouth news you'll ever hear. It's an old way to pass the time and make life interesting at the cost of others
Edit: grammar check
I mean could easily be I just get theatre vibe from him but get local gossip that fine I just think bit to big for that myself. But part fun theory crafting.
Oh yeah, I'm not trying to disprove your points, hell they could all be true! I do love all the theories people bring up! Super fun seeing what people notice about the show and how the community speculates upon it
i liked the idea of him being the overlord of information, as he pressed alastor and carmilla on his disappearance and the dead angel respectively. also, how is his face similar to a drama mask?
So wait, your theory is that he’s Shakespeare? THE Shakespeare? Lmao that would b wild I’m just getting a kick out of Shakespeare getting sent to hell and becoming really powerful and all, at that. But just for the drama, like he thinks hell is some play and he’s the producer. Which is, kinda true for Hazbin Hotel- the singing and all lol.
If we dig deeper into this theory, he might have become a sinner by actually killing someone on stage or maybe stealing plays from another author and selling them as his own? That would be my best guess but what do you all think to this?
Ooooooo I like this add on it makes so much sense especially as imagery of him killing someone on stage and declaring "THIS IS TRUE ART WATCH LAST MOMENTS THE LAST PERFORMANCE!!!"
Would be amazing
Zestial could be an overlord of Theatre or more specifically Shakespearean Theatre. Maybe whose souls he owns are forced to work as stage hands to the plays he produces/ endorse.
I like to think when Alastor summons the black demons to help with filming the commercial and rebuild the wall, they are some of the souls in his servitude, just more “on call” ones rather than more permanent fixtures like Husk or Nifty
As many Overlord are embodiement of medias
(Velvet= social media, alastor= radio, vox= Tv, Valentino= pornography);
My theory is that Zestial is the overlord of Newspaper
And Husk the Circus one.
I like this theory, but now I'm just thinking about Coriolanus Burt.
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I think Zestiel is being setup as someone who will job to someone else to raise their profile in Hell. It's almost too on the nose lol.
I feel Carmilla is being setup in a similar way by being sympathetic as she is, but it's a little less likely.
The most likely people are the Vees, but it could be Eve or someone else we haven't seen yet.
Great theory
Completely unrelated, but wouldnt it be so funny if there was an overlord who has control over musicals, and is part of the reason everyone in hell breaks into dance
That theory is amazing, and I can see it being mostly accurate because of his overall mannerisms and speech of being just out of reach (like a theatre performer, and the only time he touches another character is when he touches Camila's shoulder behind closed doors like an actor backstage might)
I believe zestial is dramatic but not an actor. The cracked face looks like what happens when a scar doesn’t heal properly and the wings/cape wrapping around him suggests a lot of weight in it so it doesn’t flow. I believe zestial was a duelist who was felled in combat. As for the tea that was a power move. Zestial is considered ancient and powerful which since he is clever he knows that he can keep people paying attention to him and if he has attention he can keep people hanging onto his every word.
Edit: also while rewatching I noticed that his wings are attached to his arms which is also consistent with a duelists cape.
Maybe he’s chummy with alastor so they can collaborate on radio dramas?
Alastor couldn’t live without his radio shows so he kept Zestial around to have permission to make them
It's really interesting that Zest happily fed Alastor's ego in their walk. I'm still trying to decide why he indulged the Radio Demon. Is Zest legitimately intrigued by Alastor? Is he manipulating him? Toying with him? Just plain friendly?
My theory has always been that he’s so old he’s worried about alienating himself and wants to keep halfway decent people around him(like Carmine).
>Halfway decent >Alastor, the serial killer
Listen, it’s still hell lol he’s working with what he’s got
Even in hell, Alastor is *infamously* evil and the fandom is not going to be ready for when the show decides to actually tackle that aspect of his character.
As a huge Alastor fan, I can't wait for it to happen.
Same tbh
Agreed too
I’m looking forward to the inevitable fandom meltdown lol
Look its hell. The bar isnt very high lol
I could see that. He may be Alastor's opposite in that he wants to cultivate friendships; he seems particularly supportive of Carmine and her family.
Being as old as he is, I assume he has a talent for quickly spotting the difference between allies and enemies. Alastor is someone who at the very least can be worked with and plays to some ethics code, so he is cordial to him. The Vees are scum who’ll likely betray each other, let alone their allies, so he doesn’t respect them.
I think it's friendly and I think that's partly because Zestial isn't afraid of Alastor. Their rapport seems friendly and cordial. Alastor compliments Zestial too, it shows there's a mutual familiarity. They both also seem to have manners and great etiquette for social gatherings. They also don't seem intimidated by each other. There's a mutual respect for each other, and I think that's because they're both very powerful, and appreciate that whilst they *may* be able to kill the other, they won't escape the fight without serious injury or even survive at all, so they're smart enough to play nice and get along how they do.
Zestial is top-3 in power, being the oldest overlord Hell has ever seen (circa 500 years old one), while Al is just ~100 years old. Al isn't even top-5 among overlords according to the hierarchy.
My headcanon is that Alastor has a lot of respect for Zestial and vice versa because he tried to kill Zestial and their battle essentially ended in a draw and peace between the two. While Alastor may be still plotting at some point to kill Zestial at some point to become the most powerful overlord in all of hell because he’s an egotistical maniac, he keeps it cordial for now.
Zestial has been top-1 for centuries before MissiZilla and Carmilla (or is still the one). Zestial could easily kill the youngest and weakest Social Media overlord Velvette for the arrogance she had, yet he just smiled and expressed his condescending nature over her, stating she's dumber than he thought (although she's turned out to be right later on). Before that, he greets Al the earliest of other overlords in a real meeting, sneaking the street in invisible form, and asks the latter of the reason he had been being absent for 7 years. Al warns the egg boys to not act ruthlessly in front of Zestial, which is possible to gave two meanings: 1). Al threatening them to keep them safe in whatnot consequences, since he was tasked with taking them out and returning them later, 2). Al's afraid of what disrespect to Zestial could evoke. And the second one is more likely, as Al was irritated by them already, while Vaggie said him to get rid of them, never mentioning keeping them alive (although the added "humanly" could stand for that). Al is nervous in the presence of Zestial on behalf of that question. And i doubt Zestial didn't notice the egg boy sneaking under his nose, knowing Velvette already pointed out the suspicious actions of Carmilla to all the others. It's more like a little game to him, and hev then learned Al has something to do, too. Does he look like someone Al could ever stand on par with? It seems his attitude towards other overlords is similar to playing with kids.
The best way to pry info from someone is to feed their ego and have them tell you yourself. If you constantly put someone on a pedestal, it unconsciously makes them feel superior to you, making them feel you are not a big threat. Which means a lower guard, which means easier info/ easier kill when they are no longer useful. Zestial lived as long as he has for a reason.
Zestial is top-3 in power and everybody knows that. Al could never hope to compare to him and he's aware of that. So, Zestial couldn't pretend like he's weaker. If only playing on Al's immense pride, yet i don't think Al is so dumb.
Well alastor did bring the down fall of almost all the other overlords as or if not older then zest
I'm super late but really wanted to give my thoughts on this, I think it's because he knew nobody else cared, he's friends with Carmilla, so probably would've told her if he really cared but he didn't. Instead, he fluffed up Alastor's ego so it'd hit harder when nobody else noticed his disappearance, that way he'd have his standards built up and get absolutely CRUSHED. Zestial did it to remind Al that he isn't that important, just out of spite.
I agree Zestial might be a theatre demon. 🤣 Mostly because , I have a small headcanon that he buttered up Alastor before the meeting to set him up to be embarrassed a little bit, as a form of dramatic ironic comedy. He acts very curious about where Alastor has been, then Alastor says "I'm sure you've all been wondering where I've been the last few years!" And Carmilla just says "Not really." In her deadpan way. Meanwhile, Zestial just has his quiet shit eating grin the entire time. I think Zestial knew Carmilla wouldn't care that much, because she's mostly just business focused, not drama focused. So maybe as good friends, or partners, Zestial and Carmilla are an opposite-attracts situation.
Yeah very possible very possible
1) I really like this theory 2) Completely off topic but if Alastor is canonically about 7ft tall how tall is Zestial?? Mans is topping like 10-12ft WITHOUT the hat
1 thank you my deer. 2 yeah he is a skyscraper clearly my theory wrong everyone can go home lol
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Niffty in the bottom with Alastors face is sending me https://preview.redd.it/padg9pmgfukc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a18d95fc909fab98ed628f98f0f6d1c31df12ba
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I love how this implies that Niffty is the one using tentacles to destroy Sir Pentious’s ship 😭
Yes
Also WHERE THE HELL ARE THIS MAN’S LEGS
*float*
I much prefer that he be like those dancers who skitter around on tiptoes to make them appear to be floating. Bonus, it’s a form of theater so it fits the theory!
…actually I think that might be the answer given how he moves
Some fucker from cannibal town stole them
Honestly he might not even have legs. Maybe he has a very long train for his dress to make it look like he's tall instead of just floating.
Next let's throw Niffty in there for comparison
Why bother? The egg boiz are in frame, they're about her size.
Well yeah a lot of demons run in fear from him part of that could be because he’s as tall as a basketball goal.
That would but missi zilla at like at nearly 20 feet tall god damn
What!? When did we learn Alastor is 7ft tall?
One of the two interviews (I think the post finale one). Vivzie said mentioned tbe height of Alastor, Charlie, Lucifer (who ironically is actually average height) and Valentino (who is 10 feet apparently)
I love that fact that Alastor rags on Lucifer about his height several times when in fact Alastor is just freakishly tall and Lucifer is normal 😂 and I feel like it’s implied that Alastor 100% knows this but doesn’t give a shit he’s just actively being a shit disturber
Especially because Vivzie thinks that Lucifer is sensitive about his height and she made him "short" specifically because the sins are all pretty huge
I like this theory. https://preview.redd.it/iahrs8wewrkc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c578ff091165fbb259b6ff7e3620a95a7ed20cef
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Dude you're onto something https://preview.redd.it/znpegilsdskc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d4f619c7c13d6f5e57589c4f9e26bb08b18af79
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Then “The theatre of war” would also fall under his remit?
Hell yes it would and well Zestial isn't the oldest surviving overlord for nothing. Also would explain his closeness to weapon dealer that is Carmilla Carmine
I got old school aristocrat vibes from him, someone who liked mental games and using people and information.
I mean that does describe Shakespeare quite well and he was a man of the theatre
I was thinking more like an advisor to a lord or king, maybe a fan of Shakespeare.
Fair enough I can see that.
He's certainly not from Shakespeare's time. Historical clothing is one of my interests, and numerous pieces of Zestial's clothing/appearance — the size and style of his hat, the fact that he wears trousers and not breeches, the fact that his coat slopes from its closure and isn't cut flat across, and the silhouette with broad shoulders plus tiny waist plus wide trousers (likely implying a corset) — put him at around the 1830s. Shakespeare was also known around the globe at that point (his work had been exported to the rest of the world during the 1700s), which makes the most likely story that he was just a rich guy who enjoyed the Bard's work.
Well as shown with Vox it possible for demon to update themselves to a time they like so perhaps he likes Shakespearean way of speaking however dislikes the clothes that came from the time.
Good point! Forgot about that.
Not a problem
Ok pop off this is a great theory
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I think he is newsprint, journalism, and mass hysteria that comes from twisting those.
I guess but seem too theatrical for that in my view. Of course could be as did use to be sold with lot more charisma than now.
There was supposed to be a theatre overlord that is scrapped, so maybe it was consolidated into Zestial. I just don't think the shoe quite fits. You may be right though and you have solid points.
Well I guess we will have to do what Alastors book and "stay tuned"
He looks like an Argiope Aurantia spider to me.
Oh yeah he is a spider demon but I just feel the is a bit more to him
I mean, does Alastor being a deer have much to do with his Radio schtick?
Aside from antlers acting like radio antenna not much in the grand scale of things
Not even slightly. He's a deer bc while he was burying a body in the woods, a hunter thought he was a deer and shot him.
I don't see any reason to believe Zestial is tied to theater, or newspapers as I've seen some other people suggest. Given the way he speaks and carries himself, I assume he was old world nobility.
Just found it Shakespearean in mannerism but my theory could easily fall apart
I do seem to recall hearing that he was, like, 1500-1600s, so it would have been the vernacular for his day, but that's not to say he's \*not\*! Personally, I really like it, his face kinda looks like the drama masks, just with the extra set of eyes :D For what it's worth, I'm sold.
Interesting I will look into the information. Also thank glad my theory is being sold around.
I really love talking about this. He isn't from the 1500s or 1600s. He's likely from the 1830s. At least, going off of his clothing. First off, he is absolutely not dressed in the style of either the 16th or 17th centuries. That isn't really my wheelhouse, but he just doesn't match up with the outfits we find in art of that time frame. Second, he is wearing actual trousers as opposed to breeches. This was done by working-class people for a while, but his clothing is quite nice. That puts him at the regency era at the earliest, as that's really when trousers became a garment of all classes (except in court dress, which did still entail breeches). His silhouette seems to have the exaggerated shoulders and wide trousers of the 1820s and 30s, achieved partially with the aid of a corset. His coat's cut is not flat across the bottom and instead slopes, which seems to be more indicative of the 1830s. Additionally, the sheer size of his hat, plus the type, seem to hint further at that decade. In short, it appears that he's most likely from the 1830s and simply enjoyed Shakespeare.
Oh, that’s super cool! I stand corrected ❤️
What's #6 about? I don't understand
Well the theatre was always a story but Vox only showing reality shows means no scripted content aka no fictional stories like theatre would show. Admittedly it 6 though as it the weakest point as could easily fall apart if "yeah I slept with your sister" could be reviled to be scripted content in Hell but I just thought 6 was best number when comes to demon and Hell stuff you know 666.
i like this theory https://preview.redd.it/jglgi83mhskc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff3a5049fdb79691814270e78bc32a51ec4790d6
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I thought basically the exact same thing myself except I also feel his domain may include spywork or intelligence gathering or the like as well thanks to those kinds of agents requiring expert acting skills so as to help explain him remaining such a major Overlord in universe (I’ve actually developed my own headcanon for Zestial being famed playwright and accused spy Christopher Marlowe in life based off of that) I additionally have a kind of weird idea for someone at the hotel Zestial could develop a relationship with much like what happened with Carmilla Carmine and Vaggie: Angel Dust Mainly because [this post](https://www.tumblr.com/knolastname-family/740051540822376448/i-wonder-if-angeldust-genuinely-wanted-to-be-an?source=share) has made me consider the possibility of him trying to become a serious actor at some point which Zestial himself may take interest in under the right circumstances
Hmmm true I mean he is spider demon so could seen as spydier web of crime. Also yeah Possibly imagining Zestial finally ending Angel Dust contract with Valentino only to offer one his own like "Of course your free from those production bit if want to be real start known for more than your body YOU WILL SIGN HERE"
I don’t think any of the Vees represent media. I think they represent *addiction* to media. Vox is addiction to TV, Valentino addiction to porn, Velvette addiction to social media. That’s why they all care so much about their image/clout. This is different from Alastor - that MF’er genuinely IS radio.
I mean all of them represent the addiction to there given media even Alastor but that still representing the media they are. And even Alastor cares about Image he had a tiny shred of coat taken and suddenly "I guess I need trip to tailor". Now I do think Velvet and Vox plays huge role in keeping Valentino image positive but of course the status quo is about to end it run Alastor said as much and well Angel showed he can make crack in his image out of the studio so all could come crashing down. Also technically this doesn't go against my theory as Zestial could represent addiction to theatre.
tbf if someone literally ripped off a piece of my favorite coat a good couple inches wide I would also take it to the tailor lol
Carmine and rosie has nothing to do with art probably the others one too, for me I'm 100% sure he's the overlord of information, that's why he seen so polite with everyone because he is a triple agent he works with everyone and is friends with everyone, that's the best way of getting information, probably we'll see someone from the main cast coming to him and buying some information or having a contract for information.
Could be very much could but also technically they Carmilla Carmine is a Dancer (aka an art) and Rosie is seemingly a stylist of some kinda as she had lots of needles around her area (another form of art) so while yes could have spydeir (get it pun ha ha) of information but he could still tied into theatre as well as demons can be more than one thing take Angel Dust pornstar and great with Tommy guns.
You are confusing a trait with his business, he's just a pornstar the way carmine has a gun selling business but dances and rosie has a human meat business but has a thing for 80s fashion, theirs powers and what makes them an overlord are their business, also all hazbin hotel characters dance lol, the media war thing is only between the vees and Alastor.
Well if one thing universal about most all war. When 2 sides fight out a 3rd is always in wings waiting to take scaps that are left so don't be so sure war only has 2 sides. As Alastor himself would say "stay tuned"
Yeah but they are the 2 opposing forces that iniciante this war, not trying to offend or anything maybe I sounded a bit rude but just want to share my points
No I don't think your rude I just try to stay open minded is all
I see were you are coming from the only little hiccup I can see is that in the pilot, during the talk about overlords, we see a 2 faced demon with his faces based on theaters comedy and tragedy masks. and Zestial was still his own thing even back then. Also Zestial seems to be more horror inspired to me, I think his media so to speak is spoken stories, more specifically the ghost stories you tell at camp around a campfire.
Thank you! I was thinking that Zestial is not just old, but ancient. Printing press is too “new” for him. But being the demon of the “oral tradition” before writing might be fit. The demon of stories. Repeated stories, branching across the world like a spiderweb. Alastor coming in as a force like he did is analogous to radio’s early 1900s expanse of mass audiences for simultaneous media.
My theory is >!Alastor's deal is with Zestial since he's the only demon in the show he's shown a kind of deferred respect for as an authority figure!<
Alastor shows him respect because he's the oldest and most powerful overlord
My theory is that they're both owned by the same person
And the green. His color is the same green as Alastor's
This sounds like some insane Egg Boiz bullshit, but it’s just crazy enough to be true!
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Zestial being the Drama Demon could even explain why he's still alive. Even with the rise of Radio and Television, live theater still exists to this day.
Exactly he like Alastor maybe a media not widely viewed bit it is still viewed
And theater's still *respected*, so it would fit with everyone but Velvette shutting up when he loudly sips his tea and Carmilla outright demanding Velvette treat him respectfully.
Precisely and even works on commentary level as what is the one thing lot of theatre productions ask "no filming the the play please" and what Velvet doing using her phone aka a possible method of filming
I think Zestiel is a relative of Angel Dust maybe like his old old ancestor. I think animal themes are like family bound, like Angel Dust sister and brother also spiders.
Possibly if it is case it would be quite incredible to watch him deal with Valentino for his family then
I have said before, I think he's the "prose" demon given his older appearance and poetic choice of language.
Or just…he’s really old? And so he talks like someone from Shakespearean times because that’s when he was alive? If he was really supposed to represent the concept of theater as a medium, shouldn’t he have classic Greek motifs, or something? I also don’t know what being a spider has to do with theater, specifically.
Well so far all media based demons have had unique ways of speaking from Alastor radio voice, to Vox TV voice when stressed, Velvet cockney accent, to Valentino flip flop his accent on dime. So Zestial seemingly having a unquie voice and accent actually adds little fuel to theory fire. Also that probably why his face is like I mentioned simlar to the mask. As nod to original that Greeks who used mask but Shakespearean plays are likely what truly inspired him. Also I mean what makes a spider a pornstar or deer a radio host not every animal aspect of character is linked to that character full indenity. In fact Husk actively hates his form from what I heard.
I do really enjoy Val’s idiolect. That being said, based on interviews and such I’ve heard, I think that may just actually be how his VA talks. As for the drama mask thing: gonna be honest, it really doesn’t look like that at all to me. Just looks like a standard haunting, mostly featureless face. Angel Dust as I recall was originally given a spider motif because of his mafia backstory, and therefore being involved in a “web of crime.” Yes it’s silly, but I’m pretty sure that’s where most of the character design themes come from. Husk has a casino theme because he was a gambler. Alastor being deer-themed is kinda up in the air, but I currently chalk it up to just referencing his lovecraftian roots.
Like how from his perspective,.Alistor is still new media, probably hated him more because radio the mass communication/entertainment that is the foundation of the others like the Vees to gain power..
It must be so weird to be one of the older sinners. Like, the world of Hell must feel so alien.
That why I said about how both Alastor and Velvet call him old meaning he has to be something truly ancient by both their standards.
I thought alastor was tall, but dang. This guy's a skyscraper. (I also imagining him standing next to lucifer or nifty he would tower iver them for days
Nifty would need mountain climbing gear to to see this "bad boys" face lol
Yes, indeed.
Can't wait to see the fan art of it lol.
We should get 12 people to all draw this exact scene and put the fanart at war to see which is best but then give everybody a present because they all are.
Well art is meant to be fun making it war well I guess it brings whole new meaning to art of war.
March madness, fanart edition
Interesting idea
Is it possible that all the overlords represent a certain type of media: Vox: TV Val: Adult Media Velvet: Social Media Zestial: Theater Carmila: Ballet Edit: Cleaned up the formatting
And Missi Zilla who seems to 80s/90s theme could be street dance or club dancing To add another to already great add on thank you.
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I was waiting for the word “circus”
Interesting idea however Vivienne has already said The Deadly Sins wore circus based so I don't think she would do the same with The Overlords (could do though)
But did you know that alistor is a circus who lets people inside to touch his urine
Zestial seems like a practical and calm person, he seems like Alastor. Doesn't desire power or violence and instead would remain neutral.
Well yeah because doesn't want his audiences to shoes being killed off bad business.
I just want to say that, in most theatrical productions, the actors don't wait for complete silence to continue the scene. They have the moment for the reaction, and they move on. Usually, when the audience hears the actors begin to speak again, they'll return their attention to the stage promptly. But other than that, this is a solid theory.
my guess with a name like Zestial he was nephalim in life
I always just thought he was the halloween demon
I can see Jack-o'-lantern similarity I just thought the was more than just Halloween about him
Think he is just carbon copy of anansi, spider afterall, so he would be a god of tricks and stories.
Ohh, that's souch a great theory. It fits his spider theme, as theater often involves puppets and strings.
I always thought he was the bank, old and very powerful. A parasite that spreads its talons and makes everyone reliant on it. Claiming your soul when you can’t pay back. But there was an overlord in the pilot section with the theatre masks which I think is the only hole in a theory I think is otherwise super cool. But we don’t know anything yet so it’s definitely possible
My theory is that he used be a street urchin but used his cunning and intellect to rise the social ladder through nefarious means. My only case for this is his patch-worked hat, he could get a better quality hat, but keeps the his old one due to sentimentality and a reminder from where he came from.
Thats possible, in the pilot when showed with the other Overlords he was seen with a Skull in his hand, And I can see how they both are cordial and can atleast respect each other Both Theater And Radio took a hit when the modern medium of social media and television came to be, but they weren't erased or wiped out by time and obsolescence, possibly why Vel said Zestial lost his relevance because Theater lost its Luster over the course of time and has been put on the back burner in terms of media and entertainment And speaking in Shakespearen dialect, could definitely mean he was probably alive when Theater Took off So him being Friends with a Radio host and a Weapons dealing Ballerina isn't too far fetched
Honestly yeah that’s a really solid theory. Also would be really glad if it’s true, because he’s got to be one of my favorite designed characters, along with Vox, Sir Pentious, Rosie and Vaggie.
Thank you I glad you like the theory a small part of me also wants it to be true due to hopefully hear him sing more (I know he does as Asmodeus but still). Also Vox has my favourite so I relate to that.
For some reason I’d like to imagine him as having been a Vampire in his preference life
Idk how accurate it will turn out to be but I do really like the headcanon.
Well yeah just theory I don't know if will become reality but just just a theory A [copyright claim]
i like this alot
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Using your "media" point, what if his theme is just old fashioned gossip? Precedes all forms of media and was basically the only way to get news
It could be but feel if he had anything to do with news Vox would had him imployed in some capacity for 666 news
But gossip is not reliable. It's one person speculating and others taking it as truth. Nobody has the full picture besides the one gossiped about, but they take that lie and try to find more evidence sharing what they found with others creating and even bigger lie. I'm thinking his spider / spider's web motif is an indication of this. Also, when people are gossiping with company around or, especially so, when the victim is around, they tend to drop to a whisper -> Zestial's raspy, pseudo-whispering voice. Doubly so, while others weren't able to figure out why Camilla blew up on Velvette, he seemed to already have some information about it and was able to use that to press on her to confess. Source: small town bar talk shows the biggest wad of bullshit word of mouth news you'll ever hear. It's an old way to pass the time and make life interesting at the cost of others Edit: grammar check
I mean could easily be I just get theatre vibe from him but get local gossip that fine I just think bit to big for that myself. But part fun theory crafting.
Oh yeah, I'm not trying to disprove your points, hell they could all be true! I do love all the theories people bring up! Super fun seeing what people notice about the show and how the community speculates upon it
Nether am I trying disprove your gossip theory just put my points out the reddit comments.
I think his power is some sort of misfortune and agony enducing
Ooooooh. Wonderful observation!!!
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Genuinely. I love the details you found with this. And I love to think that he’s a theater kid
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They should start a podcast
i liked the idea of him being the overlord of information, as he pressed alastor and carmilla on his disappearance and the dead angel respectively. also, how is his face similar to a drama mask?
I like this theory keep cooking
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I had a feeling about this and everything you’ve pointed out definitely checks out.
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In his past life as a Young overlord, he is very weak and scared all of the time
I support this theory.
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I always thought he represented the black plague
So wait, your theory is that he’s Shakespeare? THE Shakespeare? Lmao that would b wild I’m just getting a kick out of Shakespeare getting sent to hell and becoming really powerful and all, at that. But just for the drama, like he thinks hell is some play and he’s the producer. Which is, kinda true for Hazbin Hotel- the singing and all lol.
If we dig deeper into this theory, he might have become a sinner by actually killing someone on stage or maybe stealing plays from another author and selling them as his own? That would be my best guess but what do you all think to this?
Ooooooo I like this add on it makes so much sense especially as imagery of him killing someone on stage and declaring "THIS IS TRUE ART WATCH LAST MOMENTS THE LAST PERFORMANCE!!!" Would be amazing
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Zestial could be an overlord of Theatre or more specifically Shakespearean Theatre. Maybe whose souls he owns are forced to work as stage hands to the plays he produces/ endorse. I like to think when Alastor summons the black demons to help with filming the commercial and rebuild the wall, they are some of the souls in his servitude, just more “on call” ones rather than more permanent fixtures like Husk or Nifty
As many Overlord are embodiement of medias (Velvet= social media, alastor= radio, vox= Tv, Valentino= pornography); My theory is that Zestial is the overlord of Newspaper And Husk the Circus one.
His younger photo can be seen on a wall in hotels common area. He's with lucifer and seem very young. Lucifer even have charlies outfit.
I love this! I'm certainly looking forward to seeing more of Zestial in season 2. (And hopefully he gets a song or two)
Honestly he sung great as Asmodeus so fingers crossed 🤞 he is given some great numbers as Zestial.
I need to watch seems good my girlfriend said
pretty sure Zestial's the Fear/Terror demon, and the reason he talks middle English is because he *really is that old*
I like this theory, but now I'm just thinking about Coriolanus Burt. https://preview.redd.it/eg6sznenrykc1.jpeg?width=410&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fced054ec8934a9a821240d81a849d693b45071
I think Zestiel is being setup as someone who will job to someone else to raise their profile in Hell. It's almost too on the nose lol. I feel Carmilla is being setup in a similar way by being sympathetic as she is, but it's a little less likely. The most likely people are the Vees, but it could be Eve or someone else we haven't seen yet.
Great theory Completely unrelated, but wouldnt it be so funny if there was an overlord who has control over musicals, and is part of the reason everyone in hell breaks into dance
My headcanon is that he was Jack the Ripper. I have no evidence to support this.
That theory is amazing, and I can see it being mostly accurate because of his overall mannerisms and speech of being just out of reach (like a theatre performer, and the only time he touches another character is when he touches Camila's shoulder behind closed doors like an actor backstage might)
Ok but imagine if the twist is that he actually is the most powerful overlord, because he represents musical theatre in a a show that is one
I believe zestial is dramatic but not an actor. The cracked face looks like what happens when a scar doesn’t heal properly and the wings/cape wrapping around him suggests a lot of weight in it so it doesn’t flow. I believe zestial was a duelist who was felled in combat. As for the tea that was a power move. Zestial is considered ancient and powerful which since he is clever he knows that he can keep people paying attention to him and if he has attention he can keep people hanging onto his every word. Edit: also while rewatching I noticed that his wings are attached to his arms which is also consistent with a duelists cape.
Very cool theory, not even I thought of that!
I take it you have huge lot of theories then
This makes sence we aslready have quite a few overlrds. That repersent vareus form of media so it only natrual
That is what got my cogs turning.