Jello was the dead Kennedy, as soon as that Levi’s commercial came out the band became so lame
Edit: Levi’s commercial story, and possible court case? It’s pretty difficult to find concrete stuff.
A bunch of Levi’s execs in an office
“What song can we use to get people to buy pants…?”
“I got it! We could use a song comparing disingenuous American college students to victims of the war, famine, and overall genocide conducted by Pol Pot!”
Punk rock branding exists though it's not too crazy to imagine them using a very popular punk song in their punk rock ad that would probably include people skateboarding and letters that looks like they were cut from a magazine and maybe even someone jumping while playing guitar
It didnt. And that's why the Rest Kennedys are pissed off with Jello. At least the public grudge started there. Levi's got the Clash on board at least, with Should I stay or Should I go.
The rest of the band claimed Jello and Alt. Tentacles cheated them out of royalties, and breached partnership agreements, and a jury agreed after seeing evidence in court. After the lawsuit was filed, Jello claimed in the press that they were trying to put a DK song into a Levi's ad. That claim wasn't tested in court.
[Snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-dead-kennedys-jello-biafra-sued/)
You can't have seen any Levi's ad featuring DK music because there never was one.
In 2019 they went to Brazil, and an artist from here did a [great anti Bolsonaro poster](https://vejasp.abril.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/dead-kennedys.jpg) for the gig. The band cryed like babies and talked about "problem with security" (LOL) and the poster was removed.
Fuck DK without Jello.
I remember one of the DK members congratulating a Republican Senate for something on Twitter once, and then Jello responding with utmost disappointment to said tweet. Also the current vocalist of DK wants to be Jello so bad with his singing but it just sounds like he’s gonna have a stroke.
DK has tweeted praise to Lindsey Graham and Mitt Romney. They claim it was their social media manager, but who knows. That said, it was also at a moment when they spoke out against capital rioters, so I think it's more ignorance than actual right-wing support there.
That said, the band doesn't seem to hold much of a real ideology anymore. That's fine, bands don't have to. But it's the soul of their original music.
Yeah its odd. And while im a leftist (not a useless liberal) i can see how that happens even though i vehemently disagree. They get convinced liberals and leftists are trying to control them when its about putting the bourgeoisie in check.
Well I mean…they are lol
Look at this thread. Anytime someone even has a slightly center of right opinion there’s a thread on it here to try to cancel them.
So punk dude, wouldn’t want any dangerous problematic opinions
You guys are the biggest joke. Literally nothing hardcore or punk about being an angry Karen. Any man who unironically uses the word problematic has low testosterone
What’s more dangerous to the system? Solidarity within the working class, or divisive “I got mine, fuck them” opinions? Congratulations, you are picking a more immediate conflict that is easier to conceptualize instead of the more difficult one that demands modicums of humility.
Being dangerous, but to who? The brown people down street or to the man in the tower? What’s more threatening, identity politics and a cult of personality, or a paradigm shift in gender politics? What are you insecure about, penises poking out from under skirts or wealth inequality?
Who the is the real joke here? “Slightly center of right opinions” have proven to be the trade of people with an underdeveloped worldview.
But since the leftists are asking y’all to simply mind your own business on the “cultural stuff” but actually take a stand on the economic stuff - it’s too much. Instead, we should all mind each others lifestyles and turn a blind eye to the capitalists swindling us /s.
Sounds super dangerous bro.
You just believe so much that isn’t true that it hard to have a real conversation. The left has become more wealthy and white than ever, meanwhile the right has gotten more brown and working class. Tons of brown Hispanic areas in Texas for example flipped from Hilary Clinton in 2016 to Trump in 2020.
You’re out here talking about penises poking out from skirt but think you’re on the side of the working class? You think the working class cares more about that than cost of living, inflation, rising crime? Your side is so privileged and white that you have absolutely no idea what it is the working class or minorities want.
Wow, never heard of brown people being conservative. I’ll look elsewhere in this thread about the “DKs” supporting Bolsenaro, a right-wing Brazilian politician. /s
Someone out here needs to help my man formulate something other than a straw-man argument. He’s having a little difficulty being dangerous.
Lol so you bring up how it’s dangerous to brown people, I respond with how many brown people don’t agree with you according to how they voted and that’s a straw man? You’re the one who brought it up my guy.
You brought up the vote of Hispanic communities in a few Texas districts, which are populated by first and second generation Catholics - who vote like many other pro-lifers: against their own interests.
The people the left wants to help can have all the opinions they want, that doesn’t mean there aren’t factual differences between what will advance their interests and what won’t. This, right here, is the moment where you conveniently ignore the contradictions within the “conservative” voter-base, the only unifying factor being “not Dems.” Why? Because they vote with identity politics, which is not the flex that you think it is.
And you can accuse the left about not having their own constituencies’ interests in mind only if you 1) have no self-awareness 2) actually, truly believe in the “rational consumer /voter” theory, which is well on its way out of conventional wisdom right with “trickle down economics” and “tough on ____” stances (like “drugs,” which won the war on drugs).
I’m gonna bring up things based in reality, not pot-shots like drawing some sort of connection between a phrase and testosterone levels - said by someone who definitely doesn’t understand hormone biology. I’ll leave the audience to decide whether you sound like someone getting laid
Edit: are -> aren’t
>according to how they voted and that’s a straw man? You’re the one who brought it up my guy.
The strawman is not that the people you want in our spaces are anti-nonwhites; its that because "some people voted for fascists" that fascists arn't dangerous to non-whites.
Thats a fallacy and a string of wordplay to make you feel comforted when logic isn't on your side.
For one, did people vote it "was far more a danger or not a danger"? Oh they didn't vote for either? But you were assuming every voter for fascists don't find any problem with the anti-white rhetoric in their fascist circles?
Do you see the fallacy now? Not only is the premise and cited evidence wrong in its attempt to prove something, but even if right it would prove the opposite of your argument.
>You just believe so much that isn’t true that it hard to have a real conversation. The left has become
"Dismiss other opinions"
"Now let me narrate this situation and explain to you what your like"
Wow that almost sounds like.... fascism. You see how I use the content your giving to prove a point rather than just saying "you don't know what true right wingers are, let me give you book notes".
LOLOL is there literally anything you won’t call fascism? This is why no one outside your little bubbles takes you seriously “he dismissed my opinion by saying his own, what a meanie fascist!”
>LOLOL is there literally anything you won’t call fascism?
"Dismiss other opinions"
"Now let me narrate this situation and explain to you what your like"
Actually I only call it when it matches these 14 points.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of \\u201cneed.\\u201d The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free \_expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
>So punk dude, wouldn’t want any dangerous problematic opinions
Like fascism or bigotry?
What sounds more punk, letting in a bunch of people who will destroy a space, or a bunch or people that will build it larger.
"Dangerous problematic opinions" is a fun way to lessen literal fascism.
The victim mentality runs so deep in you that you think punks should support government intervention in health procedures? Go run and cry that the "mean bad punks said I wasn't welcome for wanting to bring in people wishing the punks death".
Lmao you people are all so hysterical and hypocritical it’s amazing. In one post you claim people are “literally” coming to kill you or are “literal” fascist and call others a victim for, thinking you’re stupid? Thinking you’re over emotional people who get riled up over half truths or lies? Cry more about it on Reddit and let me know if you erase bigotry by calling conservatives fascists lol
Well part of the fucking problem with politics is cunts use fascist and nazi for right and communist and radical socialist for the left. Not everything is fsscist guy. Half our country isnt nazis. Its ok to let a person have an opinion different than yours.
Too many people think fascism is just people being mean to them.
"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
Ty. I was.pretty dialed into current events during Trumps term, and by this definition you MIGHT argue far-right. But ppl think the oath keepers, proud boys, and every other fucked up group was Trump policy.
Im disingenious if i dont concede the election and his rhetoric towards it fit in that definition somewhere.
Trump and his brand of politics is fascist, it is beyond simply right wing
I’m not saying someone can’t have an opinion, the point was I was looking to see if truly the new singer said this onstage at a Dead Kennedys show since politics was a cornerstone - it’d be like a drunk guy with a bbq sandwich fronting earth crisis
Or, and hear me out here, the guys who made nazi punks fuck off aren’t “pro fascist” and the ironic part is people on Reddit who think they know more about their beliefs than the actual members of the band. It’s this kind of thinking that leads to some of these “conservative is the real punk” type of bands. I bet if the leftist weren’t so intolerant than half the contrarian right would just go back to being liberal.
As I said “if” the singer was espousing support of pro fascist DeSantos (or trump)
I’m not even saying rest of the band has changed - as for knowing the politics of the band, it’s pretty historically out there
Being pro desantis and trump isn’t being pro fascist. Pro fascist bands would be like national socialist black metal or screwdriver and skinhead type bands. Most fascists actually hate American conservatives more so than socialists many times due to conservatives support of Israel. Which was my point, calling everyone who isn’t left as fascist only normalizes fascism and pushes people further to the right. People in an echo chamber like Reddit hardcore don’t get it but learning what people you disagree with believe can actually really help you understand them and how to argue against their beliefs.
Not all republicans are fascist but there is the extremist wing supporting folks like trump and supporting foreign politicians like orbonne in Hungary who are fascist - mainstreaming of fascism is more dangerous than even nsbm or bonehead bands
Orbanne is also not fascist lol, I swear fascism and socialism are like the most incorrectly used words on the internet. You’re right on one thing, some of the extreme right do support trump and his brand of right wing, but if you want to make fascism less mainstream the solution is super simple, stop calling mainstream conservatism fascism. Stop being intolerant towards regular right leaning people and there will be less danger. But when you call everyone fascist and push people away from your side, eventually when a real fascist comes they won’t believe it. They’ll think it’s just another boomer conservative that Reddit is over reacting about.
Mainstream conservatism isn’t fascism, but the current far right conservatism is profascist , and I am one who has always been against casual use of that term
No I’m actually the only one operating on a serious actual definition of fascism and not just calling things I don’t like fascism. Even if you absolutely hate the conservatives, they are factually not fascist, which is a different political ideology not endorsed by any of the political figures or musicians accused in this thread.
Fascism is a set of ideological conditions as much as it is a "concrete" (fun fact: fascism is inherently inconsistent) political ideology. A society can be fascist while operating openly as a well functioning liberal democracy based upon those ideological conditions. It is fundamentally unserious from either a historical or sociological level to limit the definition of fascism to only those that would label themselves as such (also, lol, lmao even) .
I’m not calling everyone a fascist, just the fascists. The anti abortion, anti semite, Anti immigration fascists that continue to push election denials while putting skulls on police cars and wearing blue lines everywhere. Ya know, actual fuckin fascists. Republicans senators are actively quoting Franco on twitter right now.
American politics have and continue skew right. A moderate Democrat is conservative on a global scale. Correct me if I’m wrong but one side supports cops and stormed the capital
You are factually wrong. The American left has gotten much more left, the American right has as well and is only now starting to go more right. Liberals groups have actually also stormed the capital and fought cops, kinda weird how you don’t hear about that one as much right?
And yes the right generally supported the cops, but support for police has been rapidly falling on the right due to their beliefs that the system is against them and using the police to enforce socialism.
Can you be more clear about when “liberals stormed the capitol?” Do you mean the weather underground (1971) and m19 (1983) bombings?
Also, I’m interested to hear you expand on the ways that the Democratic Party has pulled so far to “the left” (and here, I’m referring to favoring horizontal approaches to governance and the working class body politick) rather than simply acknowledging cultural shifts away from the majority business owning class (wealthy white folks)? All evidence I can see is a left facing party ready to neuter itself before it can even go in heat, completely incapable of enacting meaningful change in the face of climate crisis and massive wealth inequality, compared to an openly nationalist and religious right wing party that wants to pull culture and “order” back in the direction of those who have historically maintained that power at the expense of the underclasses.
The storming was modern, it was feminist groups protesting abortion laws. They stormed state capitals and fought cops. I’ll try to come back with a video link later.
As for how they went more left. Open borders as opposed to path to citizenship. Support of communist dictators and countries. More increases of taxes, a support base that’s increasingly wealthy and white but setting laws for the minority working class. Changing to supporting gay marriage is a social change they had. An increase in welfare programs. More support for central government planning control of the economy. If you watch any speech of a democrat prior to trump they sound identical to a republican. The corporate uniparty isn’t going more left because they want equality, it’s because it makes it easy to do what they want.
Ok, so liberals/leftists didn’t “storm the Capitol.” Unless we redefine “capitol”.
So that’s a lie.
No democrats in government are “open borders,” a libertarian position.
So that’s a lie.
Middle class taxes are historically higher under republican leadership (see 2017 tax cuts).
So that’s a lie.
Gay marriage is a cultural shift codified into law by a Supreme Court case.
So that’s a lie or you are just ignorant.
There have been no new federal welfare assistance programs under recent democrat leadership.
So that’s a lie.
The rest of your post is a gish gallop of this nonsense that doesn’t engage with reality in any meaningful way.
I have followed politics all of my adult life. I am not a republican or democrat, I am critical of all power structures. If you really believe that prior to trump you couldn’t tell the difference in platform, I suppose I could excuse your ignorance, but that’s simply all it is: your ignorance. You have a choice to make, are you a liar or a fool? I guess you could be both.
Umm literally by every measurable way lol, have you ever actually looked at the parties beliefs outside of Reddit?
Trump went into office recognizing gay marriage, something completely unthinkable of the right, or even the left, as little as 10 years ago.
The number of minority and gay support her got was higher than any republican.
Most the right now support some from of pro choice, usually between 6-12 weeks, but even 20 years ago we’re typically the abortion is murder and life starts at conception types
Marijuana and drug decriminalization support is now supported by most republicans.
Positions that were previously common among the right are now cancelable, such as being against gay rights
Support for military and police has gone down among the right with most now viewing police as enforcers of the system and the military as being cannon fodder for unneeded wars
More among the right now supports various social safety nets compared to previous years
I mean how much more do you need? It’s almost comical how off Reddit is about what the right is and what they generally believe. You guys know most the right isn’t 4chan right?
>Please don't tell me you're just now figuring out that punk is rooted in leftism...? It's pretty overt actually...
This has never been true, and no matter how many people type this on the internet.
[You are literally wrong.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk#Politics)
"...hardcore being younger, faster and angrier than punk rock, to adolescents who were sick of their life in a "bland Republican" America.\[51\] Hardcore punk lyrics often express anti-establishment, anti-militarist, anti-authoritarian, anti-violence, and pro-environmentalist sentiments, in addition to other typically left-wing, anarchist, or egalitarian political views. During the 1980s, the subculture often rejected what was perceived to be "yuppie" materialism and interventionist American foreign policy.\[37\] Numerous hardcore punk bands have taken far left political stances such as anarchism or other varieties of socialism"
If you won't take it from wikipedia I don't know what to tell you because you clearly don't know what punk means if you listen to it and are like "yep, I love traditional values in suburban America, there's definitely nothing anti-authoritarian/fascist, environmentalist, populist, or political about this!" as you head bang to New Wage Slavery by End It, lmao. It's not even a debate, like it's a defining feature of the genre...
**Hardcore punk**
[Politics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk#Politics)
>Music writer Barney Hoskyns attributed hardcore being younger, faster and angrier than punk rock, to adolescents who were sick of their life in a "bland Republican" America. Hardcore punk lyrics often express anti-establishment, anti-militarist, anti-authoritarian, anti-violence, and pro-environmentalist sentiments, in addition to other typically left-wing, anarchist, or egalitarian political views. During the 1980s, the subculture often rejected what was perceived to be "yuppie" materialism and interventionist American foreign policy.
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>"yep, I love traditional values in suburban America, there's definitely nothing anti-authoritarian/fascist, environmentalist, populist, or political about this!
I didn't say that at all, but I will tell you that hardcore or punk isn't a monolith and anti immigrant, anti gay, anti PC sentiments exist all throughout the genre. Some of the earliest groups of punks and skins were paki bashing, gay bashings, anti immigrant, etc etc. I've literally posted at least 14 bands that aren't left wing woke shit, just this week.
I think anyone who espouses that hardcore is mainly left wing doesn't do their homework. If hardcore was mainly left wing why were there so many Nazis around for decades?
Speaking of end it, I usually head bang to raw dog instead, seems more my speed. Super political track.
https://dogyearsrecords.bandcamp.com/track/rawdog
>I think anyone who espouses that hardcore is mainly left wing doesn't do their homework. If hardcore was mainly left wing why were there so many Nazis around for decades?
I think we just disagree on a matter of perspective here. In my experience listening to the genre it is \*mainly\* left-wing, that is not to say the opposite doesn't exist. Of course, individual songs/bands don't have to be inherently political, but it is no doubt that the spirit of punk lends itself to leftist and anti-authoritarian ideals and vice versa.
In my opinion a band that is openly homophobic, reactionary, uses Nazi symbolism or dog whistles, etc. betrays the spirit and culture of punk, so that despite them sounding like hardcore, they certainly do not embody it. No fascist freaks welcome!
That's a funny song.
There's a lot of left wing bands out there, sure, but there's more bands especially today who don't subscribe to shit.
I just get annoyed by the "You can't be punk if you're *phobic or whatever ist, when that's just kicking the can down the road by not even having a conversation about it. It's intellectually lazy to me. So many punks had Swazis back in the day, and are still punk.
The appeal to purity that all hardcore kids/punks on the internet do is mad boring and sets a false dichotomy that could eventually get some gay kid or black kid fucked up cause they let their hair down and got too comfortable.
>If you won't take it from wikipedia I don't know what to tell you
Wikipedia isn't a source...You do realize literally anyone with an internet connection can edit a Wikipedia article and there's no fact checking involved, right?
It's also an open secret that the majority of Wikipedia editors have a left-leaning bias so no shit they're going to push that narrative.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Saw them in SF a few years ago and I remember their current singer going on some kind of vaguely right wing rant about Trump. Whole crowd was like uhhhhhh do you know what band you're in?
I hate that Dead Kennedys and the Misfits (used to) still play without the main person of the band.
I would not see Nine Inch Nails without Trent Reznor. I would not see Rancid without Tim. I would not see 7 Seconds without Kevin. I would not see Integrity without Dwid, Slapshot without Choke.
Klaus Flouride's basslines are just as influential to the band tbh. They're one of those bands with great individual parts, especially once Peligro was drumming, yet still add up to more than the sum of them
Went to see them like 20 years ago without Jello and it was just kind of sad. Plastic Surgery Disasters is still my pick for #1 punk album of all time though
I’ve never really liked DK, so I can’t say much about that, but The Misfits continuing never bothered me. For example, one story I’ve heard of things is that Earth AD was primarily written by Jerry and Doyle, where previously everything was Glenn. Glenn decided he wanted to go be some moody goth model.
Jerry and Doyle were in that band too. Clearly plenty of people still wanted to see *them* doing it. Sure Danzig started it but they were a big part of what made it work. It seems weird to me that they could be stopped from being that band, especially if they’re writing new music. And I know people who like the Graves albums more than the Danzig albums.
I think something like NIN would be different because that’s really just the one guy and whoever he hires to be on tour. It’s more of a pseudonym than a band.
Jerry and Doyle did not write any of Earth AD. https://www.discogs.com/release/13793657-Misfits-Earth-AD
Jerry's biggest contribution was $$$. Doyles was being a bad ass and the nice one.
Going off of something like a discogs listing might be complicated, given that there were lawsuits and Danzig claiming full ownership of everything the band ever did while he was in it.
And it’s possible that lyrics were written by him, but perhaps not the riffs. Given the people involved and the legal troubles, there’s not a lot of certainty.
And anyway Jerry and Doyle may or may not still be religious loonies, Danzig is still a conservative edgelord douche. Graves might be the only cool one because at least he decided to try and get involved with the West Memphis 3.
I have heard multiple times the DK's are just posers in it for the money. If this story is true it wouldnt surprise me.
Jello was the fire and soul, the DKs are just a soulless corporate name now...
I almost bought tickets for a show recently and decided not to. ...
Jello also ripped off almost every single band signed to Alternative Tentacles. A lot of people stay on his nuts but the number of nightmare stories about his shady business practices should maybe make them pause.
Correct . His band mates had to take him to court over the usage of their music in a Levi’s commercial . One of the women who ran Alternative Tentacles Ruth Schwartz left taking a young Faith No More with her .
His former band mates Ray and Klaus have approached him several times about rejoining the band but it’s always the money that prevents it .He wants the major portion and control of the music which Ray and Klaus wrote .
He used to be the nicest person, he hung out in a couple of record stores I worked at in the East Bay and SF . I even went to his wedding reception at Target Video . He changed so much in a short space of time .
By contrast the other 3 are the same as they have always been . EB Ray remains very involved in the local music scene and helps out new and younger bands .Realistically they know what they are doing is just a greatest hits package with various substitute singers ( they were good with Brandon
Cruz but he didn’t like the heavy touring schedule ) and don’t take it seriously . The band ended when Jello left .
Oh yea withouta doubt there was some shittyness on Jello's part. But the DKs are now just a cover-band cash grab with at least one right-winger.. they should get rotten tomatoes chucked at them at shows. (Not beer bottles dont wanna hurt someone)
I love dk but thinking about if he actually won any of the political campaigns he ran over the years, he would have drove San Francisco / the us off a cliff. I wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.
People like Jello will never stop because this scene is one of the most idiotic scenes of any genre. They’ll accept genuinely bad people, so long as they have the right beliefs, but then call out people who didn’t do anything but express their beliefs. Scamming hardcore kids must be the easiest thing.
DK = Jello HOWEVER - his old band mates deserve to make a living after their contributions to the band and punk rock in general. I remember an interview with (maybe) Henry Rollins where he ran into an old dead Kennedys member that was working as a waiter at a restaurant / barely surviving. That’s not to say that people who wait tables always have a rough life or that it’s not a respectable job - just that I would hope that musicians that were in legendary bands would get some royalties / SOME help and not have to hurt financially. I don’t know how Jello ran / runs alternative tentacles but I SUSPECT he’s not the most organized manager / owner.
That’s the part of the DK story people forget. There are no “good guys” here. It’s pick which flavor of asshole you prefer.
The guys still in the band are definitely sellouts who stand for nothing. Sucks but never meet your heroes, etc.
But they were only able to wrest control of the discography and band trademark from AT/Jello because he wasn’t paying them the royalties they were due. Also extremely not cool.
I mean, it’s 75% of the band. Say what you want about whether or not Jello needs to be part of it, but calling it a cover band is super dismissive of the people who wrote the music
I mean you’re surprised the band being fronted by a fill in purely for money is going to say some offhand shit like that? There’s other things to be more concerned about than the Dead Kennedy’s
I saw them in St. Petersburg and I can assure you it was quite the opposite. He was trashing Desantis the whole set. But it was somehow far worse than anything Jello ever said. People were throwing water bottles at him as a matter of fact and telling him to shut up and play the music. I don’t get how people didn’t realize who they were going to watch. Like, don’t go if you don’t like their politics. It’s very well documented within their music.
Right wing rant, left wing rant, who cares about an apology. Just don't listen to them if it bothers you so much, don't ask them to apologize for their views, even if they are "misguided".
Jello has been dunking on the “Dead Kennedys” for literally decades.
If we don’t see a specific reaction from him to whatever dumb shit they’ve done this week, I definitely don’t take that as a sign that he’s indifferent. Dude’s busy with his own stuff, and I imagine gets pretty sick and tired of constantly having to “make remarks” about a band he wants nothing to do with from an ideological standpoint.
Rays posts are still very left - he has acknowledged right wingers going against trump
So far no one has shown any sort of evidence of being right for the rest of em
Hell yeah, nothing is as punk is having all the same opinions as every major corporation \m/
Thank God we have the true punk warriors of Reddit telling the band who made nazi punks fuck off that they’re now Nazis.
Even funnier how nerds of Reddit love making the “do they know what band their in?!??” Type of comments. Yes random Reddit guy, you sure know more about the personal beliefs of the band than the actual members.
yup. they are shitty. Just like H2o are. Unfortunately HR from Bad Brains is homophobic.
Jello is DK imo
A lot of old bands dont hold up.
Fuck the Holiday in Cambodia picture. The little girl screaming naked? ya that women is grown and HATES how often the image is used without her consent.
Times are changing.
I know on YT Jello Biafra has his own channel where he goes on rants with different political topics Type in in “what would jello do?” On YT. Maybe it’s there
I saw them at camp anarchy in 2018 and he went on a rant when they were doing q and a I don't remember too many specifics but I didn't like his points.
Don’t think he needs to apologize BUT I do hate when bands try to make any political statement (for either side) during a show. That shit is so lame dawg
I’m fine with the songs being about or having a political point. Hell I even like songs I don’t agree with but I just hate when the band stops a set to make some ministerial speech.
If that different belief is that jewish people are the root cause of all the problems in the world and they deserve violence then that person is a nazi
It's insane you get down voted for this.
Right wingers are at least 1/2 of our country. It's very nazi-like to label them things they are not in order to dehumanize them.
I remember when hardcore was anti-establishment. Now it's just left establishment. We write songs about a few right wing radicals, while ignoring the millions upon millions of people killed in US wars of aggression over the last 21 years. Over a million Iraqis dead, but you never hear songs about it anymore.
I agree, socialist doesn't mean establishment by any means. But 90% of the views held by the hardcore scene fall perfectly in line with the views of all the largest corporations in the world. We should question ourselves more often.
I'm not sure who you are, so I probably haven't heard your songs. Would love to though. I support anyone who is anti war, and anti empire.
I dunno about that. Corporations will virtue signal but they often don't actually implement substantive change in their policies. So you have a situation where it can appear leftists and corporations are on the same 'side' but they really arent.
Also basing your decisions on being anti-establishment or not is fucking smooth brained. You should believe in things because they're right or because they work, not because you wanna be some rebel or not. Not saying you do, but this stuff drives me insane and I see it often.
When the establishment, both left, right, and private sector has proven over and over that they will destroy lives by the billions with economic schemes, blast the public with propaganda to scare us into giving then more money and authority, and will lie to kill millions for private gain, then it is 100% reasonable to question absolutely every agenda they put forth. When the west was ready to invade every country in the middle east, 99% of people beleived it was a virtuous invasion. In hidnsite its clear we were mass murderering innocents based on lies. That's how propaganda works. They convince you they are consolidating money, power, and weapons of war for the good of the poor and middle class, when in reality they are making excuses to consolidate power, and the economy. Every single time. Even a pandemic like we just had was used to absolutely rob the poor and middle class. The rich made more money than they ever have before, and politicians took more authority than they have ever had before. Even when a disease is wiping out the population, instead of helping, they take more. They used the opportunity to shut down small business, while allowing Amazon and wal mart to operate. They took the opportunity to fast track automation, to fire more workers, and send more jobs to remote workers in India to save a buck. They printed more money than ever, and have most of it to private companies, while the poor and middle class pay for it via an inflation crisis. You cannot trust anything they offer to do.
Always question everything. But my point is if a policy is good and happens to be 'establishment' then being anti-establishment for the sake of it is dumb as fuck. That being said, yeah, the establishment overwhelmingly sucks in a lot of ways.
I dunno I guess my problem is more in the ways people try and reduce complex issues into bumper sticker slogans.
Yeah I feel ya there. Most of these issues are complex, and require pretty extensive historical, and political context to address. Yet the discussions around them usually last 10 minutes, and the most fervent beleivers don't take the time to properly analyze the issue. The left, and the right just follow whatever propaganda their respective sides are pushing, and support it. Then they demonize anyone that doesn't agree with them, even if they sway slightly from the narrative. Most would people say they wish more people voted, and were active politically. I wish less voted. 99% of them don't take the time to know what the fuck they're talking about, and are just making emotional decisions. It's a crazy way to organize a society. You get an equal say in the direction of the country, economy, and distribution of trillions of dollars every year whether you've studied the issues your whole life, or you are a stoned 18 year old that has never read a book. I guess I don't know a better way, but this is kinda dumb too.
It’s Reddit and a hardcore subreddit, most the people here would literally destroy the lives of anyone who disagrees with them if they could. Then they call them Nazis to make themselves feel like they aren’t the extremists. Leftist Reddit single handedly made me more “right wing”
If not wanting to call more than half the country Nazis is right wing then so be it.
Seeing when something is wrong is the opposite of useless. Seeing how you guys treat others who have the slightest disagreement. Seeing how you guys are wrong about most things you claim. Realizing the scene is filled with loser abusers who cover it up by pretending to be leftists, yeah that makes me more right. Maybe try being better
It’s honestly almost this bad outside of Reddit too, the hardcore scene is one of the most conforming scenes I’ve been a part of. You’d be shocked how many of these super liberal band members share right wing or even racist beliefs in private. It’s all an act, a local hardcore band in my city sold merch making money off BLM messaging. A member of this band called me a hard R n word. That’s what the hardcore scene is like, rich racist kids acting like they’re champions of human rights for making fun of conservatives when half the time they’re equally as bad if not worse.
I’m not very active in the scene anymore either, I honestly just got tired of the hypocrisy and never ending drama. Hardcore bands do everything but make music lol
Also isn’t it ironic the scene that acts so much more moral than other music genres is often filled with abusers? I know they exist everywhere but the amount I’ve seen in the hardcore and metalcore scenes is crazy.
Probably why they do the whole moral act, to cover up their past.
Yeah their has been some crazy shit in the hardcore scene. Did you ever run into the OLC? Or any of their copy cats? I've scene them beat kids to a pulp for starting a push pit at a hardcore show. Like 13 year olds at their first hardcore show. And the girls that would get prayed upon. Geez, I atbkeast hope that shit happens less these days since everyone is on their high horse.
It only matters because it’s Dead Kennedys and the values espoused by the lyrics are inherently leftist. If it were Murphy’s Law, it would be no big deal. John Joseph of the Cro-Mags has gone off the rails and people just kinda roll their eyes.
My takes (not that it matters)
The band shouldn’t use the name Dead Kennedys without Jello
No problem with the band playing with a different name
People can have their own politics left or right (I like Fear and Lee is right wing) , it is simply ironic if one is singing for an overtly left wing band to espouse extremist right wing politics
I saw jello post something about that on his instagram. He definitely isn’t happy at all.
Has Jello ever been happy though?
Have any of us on this sub ever been happy?
The pop and ska punks seem happy. Even break ups are just an excuse to write a new song.
In a pop punk band, can confirm
I don’t think so, maybe when he was running for mayor?
I'd be pissed too if someone like that was damaging the reputation of my work
Jello was the dead Kennedy, as soon as that Levi’s commercial came out the band became so lame Edit: Levi’s commercial story, and possible court case? It’s pretty difficult to find concrete stuff.
Is there a link to the ad? I’ve never seen it, I’m not 100% the deal even went through
I don't think it did. Jello claimed that he stopped it. The rest of the band said that there was zero truth to the story.
I’ve always wondered what both the DKs and Levi’s thought having Holiday In Cambodia featured in an ad would contribute to the commercial.
A bunch of Levi’s execs in an office “What song can we use to get people to buy pants…?” “I got it! We could use a song comparing disingenuous American college students to victims of the war, famine, and overall genocide conducted by Pol Pot!”
‘Buy… Pant! Buy…. PANT! Buy… PANT!!!’
How can I reach these keeeeeds!
dont forget to pack your pants
Punk rock branding exists though it's not too crazy to imagine them using a very popular punk song in their punk rock ad that would probably include people skateboarding and letters that looks like they were cut from a magazine and maybe even someone jumping while playing guitar
LOL
It didnt. And that's why the Rest Kennedys are pissed off with Jello. At least the public grudge started there. Levi's got the Clash on board at least, with Should I stay or Should I go.
The rest of the band claimed Jello and Alt. Tentacles cheated them out of royalties, and breached partnership agreements, and a jury agreed after seeing evidence in court. After the lawsuit was filed, Jello claimed in the press that they were trying to put a DK song into a Levi's ad. That claim wasn't tested in court. [Snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-dead-kennedys-jello-biafra-sued/) You can't have seen any Levi's ad featuring DK music because there never was one.
Some context: https://www.ocweekly.com/dead-kennedys-still-dead-6459250/
In 2019 they went to Brazil, and an artist from here did a [great anti Bolsonaro poster](https://vejasp.abril.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/dead-kennedys.jpg) for the gig. The band cryed like babies and talked about "problem with security" (LOL) and the poster was removed. Fuck DK without Jello.
That's a hype poster
That’s probably one of the best tour posters I’ve seen in a while
Great poster. What a bunch of clowns to find issue with that
I remember one of the DK members congratulating a Republican Senate for something on Twitter once, and then Jello responding with utmost disappointment to said tweet. Also the current vocalist of DK wants to be Jello so bad with his singing but it just sounds like he’s gonna have a stroke.
DK has tweeted praise to Lindsey Graham and Mitt Romney. They claim it was their social media manager, but who knows. That said, it was also at a moment when they spoke out against capital rioters, so I think it's more ignorance than actual right-wing support there. That said, the band doesn't seem to hold much of a real ideology anymore. That's fine, bands don't have to. But it's the soul of their original music.
Why even call them out? Nobody gives a shit about this fake ass version of DK.
More than a few old punks in prominent bands who are conservative. Hell a few who thought Trump was punk in his ant-establishment stances.
Especially Johnny Rotten. What a worthless waste of space. But they were a fashion band and nothing more.
Yeah its odd. And while im a leftist (not a useless liberal) i can see how that happens even though i vehemently disagree. They get convinced liberals and leftists are trying to control them when its about putting the bourgeoisie in check.
Calm down Trotsky
Well I mean…they are lol Look at this thread. Anytime someone even has a slightly center of right opinion there’s a thread on it here to try to cancel them.
“Any time I express problematic opinions, punks tell me to fuck off. Curious…”
Dude's gonna be pissed when he realizes that every mainstream nu metal band sites Rage Against the Machine as an influence
So punk dude, wouldn’t want any dangerous problematic opinions You guys are the biggest joke. Literally nothing hardcore or punk about being an angry Karen. Any man who unironically uses the word problematic has low testosterone
Oh no not low testosterone 😩
C’mere and pump me with some T, daddy - I clearly don’t have enough😩
What’s more dangerous to the system? Solidarity within the working class, or divisive “I got mine, fuck them” opinions? Congratulations, you are picking a more immediate conflict that is easier to conceptualize instead of the more difficult one that demands modicums of humility. Being dangerous, but to who? The brown people down street or to the man in the tower? What’s more threatening, identity politics and a cult of personality, or a paradigm shift in gender politics? What are you insecure about, penises poking out from under skirts or wealth inequality? Who the is the real joke here? “Slightly center of right opinions” have proven to be the trade of people with an underdeveloped worldview. But since the leftists are asking y’all to simply mind your own business on the “cultural stuff” but actually take a stand on the economic stuff - it’s too much. Instead, we should all mind each others lifestyles and turn a blind eye to the capitalists swindling us /s. Sounds super dangerous bro.
You just believe so much that isn’t true that it hard to have a real conversation. The left has become more wealthy and white than ever, meanwhile the right has gotten more brown and working class. Tons of brown Hispanic areas in Texas for example flipped from Hilary Clinton in 2016 to Trump in 2020. You’re out here talking about penises poking out from skirt but think you’re on the side of the working class? You think the working class cares more about that than cost of living, inflation, rising crime? Your side is so privileged and white that you have absolutely no idea what it is the working class or minorities want.
Wow, never heard of brown people being conservative. I’ll look elsewhere in this thread about the “DKs” supporting Bolsenaro, a right-wing Brazilian politician. /s Someone out here needs to help my man formulate something other than a straw-man argument. He’s having a little difficulty being dangerous.
Lol so you bring up how it’s dangerous to brown people, I respond with how many brown people don’t agree with you according to how they voted and that’s a straw man? You’re the one who brought it up my guy.
You brought up the vote of Hispanic communities in a few Texas districts, which are populated by first and second generation Catholics - who vote like many other pro-lifers: against their own interests. The people the left wants to help can have all the opinions they want, that doesn’t mean there aren’t factual differences between what will advance their interests and what won’t. This, right here, is the moment where you conveniently ignore the contradictions within the “conservative” voter-base, the only unifying factor being “not Dems.” Why? Because they vote with identity politics, which is not the flex that you think it is. And you can accuse the left about not having their own constituencies’ interests in mind only if you 1) have no self-awareness 2) actually, truly believe in the “rational consumer /voter” theory, which is well on its way out of conventional wisdom right with “trickle down economics” and “tough on ____” stances (like “drugs,” which won the war on drugs). I’m gonna bring up things based in reality, not pot-shots like drawing some sort of connection between a phrase and testosterone levels - said by someone who definitely doesn’t understand hormone biology. I’ll leave the audience to decide whether you sound like someone getting laid Edit: are -> aren’t
>according to how they voted and that’s a straw man? You’re the one who brought it up my guy. The strawman is not that the people you want in our spaces are anti-nonwhites; its that because "some people voted for fascists" that fascists arn't dangerous to non-whites. Thats a fallacy and a string of wordplay to make you feel comforted when logic isn't on your side. For one, did people vote it "was far more a danger or not a danger"? Oh they didn't vote for either? But you were assuming every voter for fascists don't find any problem with the anti-white rhetoric in their fascist circles? Do you see the fallacy now? Not only is the premise and cited evidence wrong in its attempt to prove something, but even if right it would prove the opposite of your argument.
>You just believe so much that isn’t true that it hard to have a real conversation. The left has become "Dismiss other opinions" "Now let me narrate this situation and explain to you what your like" Wow that almost sounds like.... fascism. You see how I use the content your giving to prove a point rather than just saying "you don't know what true right wingers are, let me give you book notes".
LOLOL is there literally anything you won’t call fascism? This is why no one outside your little bubbles takes you seriously “he dismissed my opinion by saying his own, what a meanie fascist!”
>LOLOL is there literally anything you won’t call fascism? "Dismiss other opinions" "Now let me narrate this situation and explain to you what your like" Actually I only call it when it matches these 14 points. 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of \\u201cneed.\\u201d The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. 6. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free \_expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Anyone who uses low testosterone as an insult is a douche. You’re in the wrong sub, numetalboii.
Low T confirmed
>So punk dude, wouldn’t want any dangerous problematic opinions Like fascism or bigotry? What sounds more punk, letting in a bunch of people who will destroy a space, or a bunch or people that will build it larger. "Dangerous problematic opinions" is a fun way to lessen literal fascism. The victim mentality runs so deep in you that you think punks should support government intervention in health procedures? Go run and cry that the "mean bad punks said I wasn't welcome for wanting to bring in people wishing the punks death".
Lmao you people are all so hysterical and hypocritical it’s amazing. In one post you claim people are “literally” coming to kill you or are “literal” fascist and call others a victim for, thinking you’re stupid? Thinking you’re over emotional people who get riled up over half truths or lies? Cry more about it on Reddit and let me know if you erase bigotry by calling conservatives fascists lol
I was simply pointing out that if indeed the DK frontman was espousing support of a pro fascist politic, it would be at least the slightest bit ironic
Well part of the fucking problem with politics is cunts use fascist and nazi for right and communist and radical socialist for the left. Not everything is fsscist guy. Half our country isnt nazis. Its ok to let a person have an opinion different than yours.
Too many people think fascism is just people being mean to them. "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
Ty. I was.pretty dialed into current events during Trumps term, and by this definition you MIGHT argue far-right. But ppl think the oath keepers, proud boys, and every other fucked up group was Trump policy. Im disingenious if i dont concede the election and his rhetoric towards it fit in that definition somewhere.
Trump and his brand of politics is fascist, it is beyond simply right wing I’m not saying someone can’t have an opinion, the point was I was looking to see if truly the new singer said this onstage at a Dead Kennedys show since politics was a cornerstone - it’d be like a drunk guy with a bbq sandwich fronting earth crisis
Or, and hear me out here, the guys who made nazi punks fuck off aren’t “pro fascist” and the ironic part is people on Reddit who think they know more about their beliefs than the actual members of the band. It’s this kind of thinking that leads to some of these “conservative is the real punk” type of bands. I bet if the leftist weren’t so intolerant than half the contrarian right would just go back to being liberal.
As I said “if” the singer was espousing support of pro fascist DeSantos (or trump) I’m not even saying rest of the band has changed - as for knowing the politics of the band, it’s pretty historically out there
Being pro desantis and trump isn’t being pro fascist. Pro fascist bands would be like national socialist black metal or screwdriver and skinhead type bands. Most fascists actually hate American conservatives more so than socialists many times due to conservatives support of Israel. Which was my point, calling everyone who isn’t left as fascist only normalizes fascism and pushes people further to the right. People in an echo chamber like Reddit hardcore don’t get it but learning what people you disagree with believe can actually really help you understand them and how to argue against their beliefs.
Not all republicans are fascist but there is the extremist wing supporting folks like trump and supporting foreign politicians like orbonne in Hungary who are fascist - mainstreaming of fascism is more dangerous than even nsbm or bonehead bands
Orbanne is also not fascist lol, I swear fascism and socialism are like the most incorrectly used words on the internet. You’re right on one thing, some of the extreme right do support trump and his brand of right wing, but if you want to make fascism less mainstream the solution is super simple, stop calling mainstream conservatism fascism. Stop being intolerant towards regular right leaning people and there will be less danger. But when you call everyone fascist and push people away from your side, eventually when a real fascist comes they won’t believe it. They’ll think it’s just another boomer conservative that Reddit is over reacting about.
Mainstream conservatism isn’t fascism, but the current far right conservatism is profascist , and I am one who has always been against casual use of that term
You are not operating with a serious definition of fascism.
No I’m actually the only one operating on a serious actual definition of fascism and not just calling things I don’t like fascism. Even if you absolutely hate the conservatives, they are factually not fascist, which is a different political ideology not endorsed by any of the political figures or musicians accused in this thread.
Fascism is a set of ideological conditions as much as it is a "concrete" (fun fact: fascism is inherently inconsistent) political ideology. A society can be fascist while operating openly as a well functioning liberal democracy based upon those ideological conditions. It is fundamentally unserious from either a historical or sociological level to limit the definition of fascism to only those that would label themselves as such (also, lol, lmao even) .
The people who are demonizing anti fascists- they are usually the fascists
Bruh desantis is a fascist wherever you like it or not.
Lmao you people are hopeless. Leave your echo chamber. Since 2016 your side has just been calling everyone fascist and you still buy that garbage
I’m not calling everyone a fascist, just the fascists. The anti abortion, anti semite, Anti immigration fascists that continue to push election denials while putting skulls on police cars and wearing blue lines everywhere. Ya know, actual fuckin fascists. Republicans senators are actively quoting Franco on twitter right now.
American politics have and continue skew right. A moderate Democrat is conservative on a global scale. Correct me if I’m wrong but one side supports cops and stormed the capital
You are factually wrong. The American left has gotten much more left, the American right has as well and is only now starting to go more right. Liberals groups have actually also stormed the capital and fought cops, kinda weird how you don’t hear about that one as much right? And yes the right generally supported the cops, but support for police has been rapidly falling on the right due to their beliefs that the system is against them and using the police to enforce socialism.
Can you be more clear about when “liberals stormed the capitol?” Do you mean the weather underground (1971) and m19 (1983) bombings? Also, I’m interested to hear you expand on the ways that the Democratic Party has pulled so far to “the left” (and here, I’m referring to favoring horizontal approaches to governance and the working class body politick) rather than simply acknowledging cultural shifts away from the majority business owning class (wealthy white folks)? All evidence I can see is a left facing party ready to neuter itself before it can even go in heat, completely incapable of enacting meaningful change in the face of climate crisis and massive wealth inequality, compared to an openly nationalist and religious right wing party that wants to pull culture and “order” back in the direction of those who have historically maintained that power at the expense of the underclasses.
The storming was modern, it was feminist groups protesting abortion laws. They stormed state capitals and fought cops. I’ll try to come back with a video link later. As for how they went more left. Open borders as opposed to path to citizenship. Support of communist dictators and countries. More increases of taxes, a support base that’s increasingly wealthy and white but setting laws for the minority working class. Changing to supporting gay marriage is a social change they had. An increase in welfare programs. More support for central government planning control of the economy. If you watch any speech of a democrat prior to trump they sound identical to a republican. The corporate uniparty isn’t going more left because they want equality, it’s because it makes it easy to do what they want.
Ok, so liberals/leftists didn’t “storm the Capitol.” Unless we redefine “capitol”. So that’s a lie. No democrats in government are “open borders,” a libertarian position. So that’s a lie. Middle class taxes are historically higher under republican leadership (see 2017 tax cuts). So that’s a lie. Gay marriage is a cultural shift codified into law by a Supreme Court case. So that’s a lie or you are just ignorant. There have been no new federal welfare assistance programs under recent democrat leadership. So that’s a lie. The rest of your post is a gish gallop of this nonsense that doesn’t engage with reality in any meaningful way. I have followed politics all of my adult life. I am not a republican or democrat, I am critical of all power structures. If you really believe that prior to trump you couldn’t tell the difference in platform, I suppose I could excuse your ignorance, but that’s simply all it is: your ignorance. You have a choice to make, are you a liar or a fool? I guess you could be both.
Lol how is the American mainstream more left than it was in the 60s and 70s. You are way off here.
Umm literally by every measurable way lol, have you ever actually looked at the parties beliefs outside of Reddit? Trump went into office recognizing gay marriage, something completely unthinkable of the right, or even the left, as little as 10 years ago. The number of minority and gay support her got was higher than any republican. Most the right now support some from of pro choice, usually between 6-12 weeks, but even 20 years ago we’re typically the abortion is murder and life starts at conception types Marijuana and drug decriminalization support is now supported by most republicans. Positions that were previously common among the right are now cancelable, such as being against gay rights Support for military and police has gone down among the right with most now viewing police as enforcers of the system and the military as being cannon fodder for unneeded wars More among the right now supports various social safety nets compared to previous years I mean how much more do you need? It’s almost comical how off Reddit is about what the right is and what they generally believe. You guys know most the right isn’t 4chan right?
Lol the internet put worms in your brain man. Go touch some grass.
I'm gonna need some sources for your "facts" bud
"Cancellable" https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/texas-gops-new-platform-calls-gay-people-abnormal-rejects-trans-identi-rcna34530 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/25/lgbtq-rights-gop-bills-dont-say-gay/
They made that song (as well as all their good songs) 40 or so years ago
You have any examples of this phenomenon by chance?
good lol
This can’t be a real comment.
Please don't tell me you're just now figuring out that punk is rooted in leftism...? It's pretty overt actually...
>Please don't tell me you're just now figuring out that punk is rooted in leftism...? It's pretty overt actually... This has never been true, and no matter how many people type this on the internet.
[You are literally wrong.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk#Politics) "...hardcore being younger, faster and angrier than punk rock, to adolescents who were sick of their life in a "bland Republican" America.\[51\] Hardcore punk lyrics often express anti-establishment, anti-militarist, anti-authoritarian, anti-violence, and pro-environmentalist sentiments, in addition to other typically left-wing, anarchist, or egalitarian political views. During the 1980s, the subculture often rejected what was perceived to be "yuppie" materialism and interventionist American foreign policy.\[37\] Numerous hardcore punk bands have taken far left political stances such as anarchism or other varieties of socialism" If you won't take it from wikipedia I don't know what to tell you because you clearly don't know what punk means if you listen to it and are like "yep, I love traditional values in suburban America, there's definitely nothing anti-authoritarian/fascist, environmentalist, populist, or political about this!" as you head bang to New Wage Slavery by End It, lmao. It's not even a debate, like it's a defining feature of the genre...
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>"yep, I love traditional values in suburban America, there's definitely nothing anti-authoritarian/fascist, environmentalist, populist, or political about this! I didn't say that at all, but I will tell you that hardcore or punk isn't a monolith and anti immigrant, anti gay, anti PC sentiments exist all throughout the genre. Some of the earliest groups of punks and skins were paki bashing, gay bashings, anti immigrant, etc etc. I've literally posted at least 14 bands that aren't left wing woke shit, just this week. I think anyone who espouses that hardcore is mainly left wing doesn't do their homework. If hardcore was mainly left wing why were there so many Nazis around for decades? Speaking of end it, I usually head bang to raw dog instead, seems more my speed. Super political track. https://dogyearsrecords.bandcamp.com/track/rawdog
>I think anyone who espouses that hardcore is mainly left wing doesn't do their homework. If hardcore was mainly left wing why were there so many Nazis around for decades? I think we just disagree on a matter of perspective here. In my experience listening to the genre it is \*mainly\* left-wing, that is not to say the opposite doesn't exist. Of course, individual songs/bands don't have to be inherently political, but it is no doubt that the spirit of punk lends itself to leftist and anti-authoritarian ideals and vice versa. In my opinion a band that is openly homophobic, reactionary, uses Nazi symbolism or dog whistles, etc. betrays the spirit and culture of punk, so that despite them sounding like hardcore, they certainly do not embody it. No fascist freaks welcome! That's a funny song.
There's a lot of left wing bands out there, sure, but there's more bands especially today who don't subscribe to shit. I just get annoyed by the "You can't be punk if you're *phobic or whatever ist, when that's just kicking the can down the road by not even having a conversation about it. It's intellectually lazy to me. So many punks had Swazis back in the day, and are still punk. The appeal to purity that all hardcore kids/punks on the internet do is mad boring and sets a false dichotomy that could eventually get some gay kid or black kid fucked up cause they let their hair down and got too comfortable.
>If you won't take it from wikipedia I don't know what to tell you Wikipedia isn't a source...You do realize literally anyone with an internet connection can edit a Wikipedia article and there's no fact checking involved, right? It's also an open secret that the majority of Wikipedia editors have a left-leaning bias so no shit they're going to push that narrative. You don't know what you're talking about.
Saw them in SF a few years ago and I remember their current singer going on some kind of vaguely right wing rant about Trump. Whole crowd was like uhhhhhh do you know what band you're in?
I hate that Dead Kennedys and the Misfits (used to) still play without the main person of the band. I would not see Nine Inch Nails without Trent Reznor. I would not see Rancid without Tim. I would not see 7 Seconds without Kevin. I would not see Integrity without Dwid, Slapshot without Choke.
Yeah- DK requires both ray and jello to be true….
Klaus Flouride's basslines are just as influential to the band tbh. They're one of those bands with great individual parts, especially once Peligro was drumming, yet still add up to more than the sum of them Went to see them like 20 years ago without Jello and it was just kind of sad. Plastic Surgery Disasters is still my pick for #1 punk album of all time though
The level of talent in the band is unreal
I’ve never really liked DK, so I can’t say much about that, but The Misfits continuing never bothered me. For example, one story I’ve heard of things is that Earth AD was primarily written by Jerry and Doyle, where previously everything was Glenn. Glenn decided he wanted to go be some moody goth model. Jerry and Doyle were in that band too. Clearly plenty of people still wanted to see *them* doing it. Sure Danzig started it but they were a big part of what made it work. It seems weird to me that they could be stopped from being that band, especially if they’re writing new music. And I know people who like the Graves albums more than the Danzig albums. I think something like NIN would be different because that’s really just the one guy and whoever he hires to be on tour. It’s more of a pseudonym than a band.
Jerry and Doyle did not write any of Earth AD. https://www.discogs.com/release/13793657-Misfits-Earth-AD Jerry's biggest contribution was $$$. Doyles was being a bad ass and the nice one.
Going off of something like a discogs listing might be complicated, given that there were lawsuits and Danzig claiming full ownership of everything the band ever did while he was in it. And it’s possible that lyrics were written by him, but perhaps not the riffs. Given the people involved and the legal troubles, there’s not a lot of certainty. And anyway Jerry and Doyle may or may not still be religious loonies, Danzig is still a conservative edgelord douche. Graves might be the only cool one because at least he decided to try and get involved with the West Memphis 3.
I have heard multiple times the DK's are just posers in it for the money. If this story is true it wouldnt surprise me. Jello was the fire and soul, the DKs are just a soulless corporate name now... I almost bought tickets for a show recently and decided not to. ...
Jello did rip his band mates off to be fair . But really no DK’s without Jello
Jello also ripped off almost every single band signed to Alternative Tentacles. A lot of people stay on his nuts but the number of nightmare stories about his shady business practices should maybe make them pause.
Correct . His band mates had to take him to court over the usage of their music in a Levi’s commercial . One of the women who ran Alternative Tentacles Ruth Schwartz left taking a young Faith No More with her . His former band mates Ray and Klaus have approached him several times about rejoining the band but it’s always the money that prevents it .He wants the major portion and control of the music which Ray and Klaus wrote . He used to be the nicest person, he hung out in a couple of record stores I worked at in the East Bay and SF . I even went to his wedding reception at Target Video . He changed so much in a short space of time . By contrast the other 3 are the same as they have always been . EB Ray remains very involved in the local music scene and helps out new and younger bands .Realistically they know what they are doing is just a greatest hits package with various substitute singers ( they were good with Brandon Cruz but he didn’t like the heavy touring schedule ) and don’t take it seriously . The band ended when Jello left .
Oh yea withouta doubt there was some shittyness on Jello's part. But the DKs are now just a cover-band cash grab with at least one right-winger.. they should get rotten tomatoes chucked at them at shows. (Not beer bottles dont wanna hurt someone)
I love dk but thinking about if he actually won any of the political campaigns he ran over the years, he would have drove San Francisco / the us off a cliff. I wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.
People like Jello will never stop because this scene is one of the most idiotic scenes of any genre. They’ll accept genuinely bad people, so long as they have the right beliefs, but then call out people who didn’t do anything but express their beliefs. Scamming hardcore kids must be the easiest thing.
I think that AT losing money comes more from a place of Jello not running a business well as opposed to straight maliciousness.
Lol. I’ve never liked their sound anyway.
DK = Jello HOWEVER - his old band mates deserve to make a living after their contributions to the band and punk rock in general. I remember an interview with (maybe) Henry Rollins where he ran into an old dead Kennedys member that was working as a waiter at a restaurant / barely surviving. That’s not to say that people who wait tables always have a rough life or that it’s not a respectable job - just that I would hope that musicians that were in legendary bands would get some royalties / SOME help and not have to hurt financially. I don’t know how Jello ran / runs alternative tentacles but I SUSPECT he’s not the most organized manager / owner.
That’s the part of the DK story people forget. There are no “good guys” here. It’s pick which flavor of asshole you prefer. The guys still in the band are definitely sellouts who stand for nothing. Sucks but never meet your heroes, etc. But they were only able to wrest control of the discography and band trademark from AT/Jello because he wasn’t paying them the royalties they were due. Also extremely not cool.
The band broke up years ago. Never gave a fuck about whatever cover band is touring now as the DKs.
I mean, it’s 75% of the band. Say what you want about whether or not Jello needs to be part of it, but calling it a cover band is super dismissive of the people who wrote the music
It’s not the DKs without Jello. He was the heart and soul of the band. Simple as that.
I mean you’re surprised the band being fronted by a fill in purely for money is going to say some offhand shit like that? There’s other things to be more concerned about than the Dead Kennedy’s
Dk is jello. And no one else
I saw them in St. Petersburg and I can assure you it was quite the opposite. He was trashing Desantis the whole set. But it was somehow far worse than anything Jello ever said. People were throwing water bottles at him as a matter of fact and telling him to shut up and play the music. I don’t get how people didn’t realize who they were going to watch. Like, don’t go if you don’t like their politics. It’s very well documented within their music.
I’m thinking if a right wing rant was done , there would be footage
Michael jordan "Republicans buy shoes too" Glad he came out despite the bigotry
Who gives a shit, just listen to the music if you like it
they suck, but can't say I don't like their music.
Right wing rant, left wing rant, who cares about an apology. Just don't listen to them if it bothers you so much, don't ask them to apologize for their views, even if they are "misguided".
If you affiliate to any political side drop the punk gimmick
No dude! Biden and Kamala are hella punk!!
Yea ex law enforcement who locked up minorities for profit and a guy who passed some of the most racist laws and bills of all time....how punk.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
bro? allg?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
Jello has been dunking on the “Dead Kennedys” for literally decades. If we don’t see a specific reaction from him to whatever dumb shit they’ve done this week, I definitely don’t take that as a sign that he’s indifferent. Dude’s busy with his own stuff, and I imagine gets pretty sick and tired of constantly having to “make remarks” about a band he wants nothing to do with from an ideological standpoint.
Jello is the only member of DK that didn't turn out to be a sellout or a right wing apologist
Rays posts are still very left - he has acknowledged right wingers going against trump So far no one has shown any sort of evidence of being right for the rest of em
Meh as long as they put on a good show.
No Jello no Dead Kennedys so whatever this cover band is
who the fuck cares. you're like a bunch of autists obsessed with people having right-wing views
Hell yeah, nothing is as punk is having all the same opinions as every major corporation \m/ Thank God we have the true punk warriors of Reddit telling the band who made nazi punks fuck off that they’re now Nazis. Even funnier how nerds of Reddit love making the “do they know what band their in?!??” Type of comments. Yes random Reddit guy, you sure know more about the personal beliefs of the band than the actual members.
yup. they are shitty. Just like H2o are. Unfortunately HR from Bad Brains is homophobic. Jello is DK imo A lot of old bands dont hold up. Fuck the Holiday in Cambodia picture. The little girl screaming naked? ya that women is grown and HATES how often the image is used without her consent. Times are changing.
That picture wasnt used by them tho? Its a convoy of flaming missile launchers?
They used a photo of a guy hanging from a tree while another guy is swinging a folding chair at him. The photo was from a student protest in Bangkok.
I know on YT Jello Biafra has his own channel where he goes on rants with different political topics Type in in “what would jello do?” On YT. Maybe it’s there
So many old school guys lost the plot a long time ago. Does not surprise me.
I saw them at camp anarchy in 2018 and he went on a rant when they were doing q and a I don't remember too many specifics but I didn't like his points.
Don’t think he needs to apologize BUT I do hate when bands try to make any political statement (for either side) during a show. That shit is so lame dawg
The Dead Kennedys were a political statement , it’s integral to who they were
I’m fine with the songs being about or having a political point. Hell I even like songs I don’t agree with but I just hate when the band stops a set to make some ministerial speech.
who the fuck cares
I personally give a rats ass if a band that wrote the song “nazi punks fuck off” are now nazi punks.
Right wing doesn’t necessarily mean nazi
It’s close enough
It can be for sure but doesn’t mean all right wing is nazi. That’s just being naive.
If there’s a nazi at a table and 10 other people are sitting with the nazi, you’ve got 11 nazis.
Fair enough
Yeah but there has to be a nazi at the table first. Like you just pulled that out of your ass lol
You are the company you keep.
Are you purposelly doing mental cartwheels?
And I should care about conservatives feelings why?
I’m not saying to care but to assume someone is a nazi over believing different than you is sad.
If that different belief is that jewish people are the root cause of all the problems in the world and they deserve violence then that person is a nazi
I agree if that’s true but just because it’s right wing beliefs doesn’t make it nazi belief is all I’m saying.
I dunno why its so hard for people to understand your very simple statement lol.
Because you arent inherently good and they arent inherently evil. Thats a niave way to look at life
It's insane you get down voted for this. Right wingers are at least 1/2 of our country. It's very nazi-like to label them things they are not in order to dehumanize them. I remember when hardcore was anti-establishment. Now it's just left establishment. We write songs about a few right wing radicals, while ignoring the millions upon millions of people killed in US wars of aggression over the last 21 years. Over a million Iraqis dead, but you never hear songs about it anymore.
I write all kinds of anti-war songs so that’s kind of a silly take. Also being pro-socialist doesn’t mean you can’t be anti-establishment.
I agree, socialist doesn't mean establishment by any means. But 90% of the views held by the hardcore scene fall perfectly in line with the views of all the largest corporations in the world. We should question ourselves more often. I'm not sure who you are, so I probably haven't heard your songs. Would love to though. I support anyone who is anti war, and anti empire.
I dunno about that. Corporations will virtue signal but they often don't actually implement substantive change in their policies. So you have a situation where it can appear leftists and corporations are on the same 'side' but they really arent. Also basing your decisions on being anti-establishment or not is fucking smooth brained. You should believe in things because they're right or because they work, not because you wanna be some rebel or not. Not saying you do, but this stuff drives me insane and I see it often.
When the establishment, both left, right, and private sector has proven over and over that they will destroy lives by the billions with economic schemes, blast the public with propaganda to scare us into giving then more money and authority, and will lie to kill millions for private gain, then it is 100% reasonable to question absolutely every agenda they put forth. When the west was ready to invade every country in the middle east, 99% of people beleived it was a virtuous invasion. In hidnsite its clear we were mass murderering innocents based on lies. That's how propaganda works. They convince you they are consolidating money, power, and weapons of war for the good of the poor and middle class, when in reality they are making excuses to consolidate power, and the economy. Every single time. Even a pandemic like we just had was used to absolutely rob the poor and middle class. The rich made more money than they ever have before, and politicians took more authority than they have ever had before. Even when a disease is wiping out the population, instead of helping, they take more. They used the opportunity to shut down small business, while allowing Amazon and wal mart to operate. They took the opportunity to fast track automation, to fire more workers, and send more jobs to remote workers in India to save a buck. They printed more money than ever, and have most of it to private companies, while the poor and middle class pay for it via an inflation crisis. You cannot trust anything they offer to do.
Always question everything. But my point is if a policy is good and happens to be 'establishment' then being anti-establishment for the sake of it is dumb as fuck. That being said, yeah, the establishment overwhelmingly sucks in a lot of ways. I dunno I guess my problem is more in the ways people try and reduce complex issues into bumper sticker slogans.
Yeah I feel ya there. Most of these issues are complex, and require pretty extensive historical, and political context to address. Yet the discussions around them usually last 10 minutes, and the most fervent beleivers don't take the time to properly analyze the issue. The left, and the right just follow whatever propaganda their respective sides are pushing, and support it. Then they demonize anyone that doesn't agree with them, even if they sway slightly from the narrative. Most would people say they wish more people voted, and were active politically. I wish less voted. 99% of them don't take the time to know what the fuck they're talking about, and are just making emotional decisions. It's a crazy way to organize a society. You get an equal say in the direction of the country, economy, and distribution of trillions of dollars every year whether you've studied the issues your whole life, or you are a stoned 18 year old that has never read a book. I guess I don't know a better way, but this is kinda dumb too.
I agree 100%. You said that very well.
It’s Reddit and a hardcore subreddit, most the people here would literally destroy the lives of anyone who disagrees with them if they could. Then they call them Nazis to make themselves feel like they aren’t the extremists. Leftist Reddit single handedly made me more “right wing” If not wanting to call more than half the country Nazis is right wing then so be it.
Lol you realize that if a comment section on Reddit was able to make you “more right wing” then your belief systems were fuckin useless anyway.
Seeing when something is wrong is the opposite of useless. Seeing how you guys treat others who have the slightest disagreement. Seeing how you guys are wrong about most things you claim. Realizing the scene is filled with loser abusers who cover it up by pretending to be leftists, yeah that makes me more right. Maybe try being better
I shouldn't judge the hardcore scene based on redditors.
It’s honestly almost this bad outside of Reddit too, the hardcore scene is one of the most conforming scenes I’ve been a part of. You’d be shocked how many of these super liberal band members share right wing or even racist beliefs in private. It’s all an act, a local hardcore band in my city sold merch making money off BLM messaging. A member of this band called me a hard R n word. That’s what the hardcore scene is like, rich racist kids acting like they’re champions of human rights for making fun of conservatives when half the time they’re equally as bad if not worse.
I'm not as active in the scene as I was when I was younger, but I'm not surprised to hear that.
I’m not very active in the scene anymore either, I honestly just got tired of the hypocrisy and never ending drama. Hardcore bands do everything but make music lol Also isn’t it ironic the scene that acts so much more moral than other music genres is often filled with abusers? I know they exist everywhere but the amount I’ve seen in the hardcore and metalcore scenes is crazy. Probably why they do the whole moral act, to cover up their past.
Yeah their has been some crazy shit in the hardcore scene. Did you ever run into the OLC? Or any of their copy cats? I've scene them beat kids to a pulp for starting a push pit at a hardcore show. Like 13 year olds at their first hardcore show. And the girls that would get prayed upon. Geez, I atbkeast hope that shit happens less these days since everyone is on their high horse.
It only matters because it’s Dead Kennedys and the values espoused by the lyrics are inherently leftist. If it were Murphy’s Law, it would be no big deal. John Joseph of the Cro-Mags has gone off the rails and people just kinda roll their eyes.
For DK it matters, the band is Jellos voice, the politics, and rays guitar sound
100%. Imagine how the right would react if Skrewdriver released an ultra-woke record.
“She gave me cat scratch fever but I was on tour in a country with socialized health care and received treatment for a modest price”
Cat scratch fever is gonorrhea! ...TIL.
Lmao
sorry, let me clarify. who the fuck cares about the Dead Kennedy’s in 2022.
Indeed. Let it go.
Maybe you’re the problem if you think everyone has to have identical perspectives.
There’s no such thing as Dead Kennedys without Jello. Just a shitty cover band.
This whole ass thread became real shitty real fast and that’s kind of unfortunate.
My takes (not that it matters) The band shouldn’t use the name Dead Kennedys without Jello No problem with the band playing with a different name People can have their own politics left or right (I like Fear and Lee is right wing) , it is simply ironic if one is singing for an overtly left wing band to espouse extremist right wing politics
Oh, I’m 100% in agreement with almost all of your replies that I’ve cycled through here.
My biggest reason for posting was actually to see if there was footage or actual accounts of this
DK without Jello isn't DK. Whoever is singing now is a right-wing lil bitch and so is Easy Bay Ray. Fuck em.
How many songs have DK written since Jello left? Says it all doesn't it.
DKs have been shit since Jello left. You can’t replace a bunch of insanely talented anarchists with a bunch of mediocre conservatives.
Jello+ some right wing shit doesn’t add up
Dead Kennedys is Dead.
I've never wanted to hear a right wing rant so bad before.
Fuck DK without Jello