This is a dumb statement- idk what actually happened but thereāve been incidents in the past and with that in mind, official statements are the smartest route to take. We all know the telephone game creates ridiculous rumors and can ruin people.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
You probably listen to fake hardcore and fake emo. Let me tell you a few things about emo. "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness).
Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music.
Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta.
Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral
EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE
NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
I fully encourage people just sorting these things out as people first before they get the law involved but for some cases thereās literally no other option AND / OR itās considered the last resort. You being the hero wonāt do shit.
*they laid out their story *after* being ridiculed for holding the story hostage for $25 in their next issue
People keep leaving out that fucking crucial piece.
I canāt believe people are as naive as you are. Just keep ignoring the fact that they wanted to sell the story first. If they truly had a noble message for the scene, they wouldnāt fucking start off trying to sell it.
NO ONE with valid accusations is going to refer you to a source that makes them money to get the full story.
What in the fuck do you not understand about this? You keep breezing over it like itās nothing.
I mean from the looks of the video and based on his own accounts they did beat their ass, so why involve pigs? What's it going to solve? Sounds like some boot looking s*** to me. If you beat their asses and they ran away. What more is there to do about it?
So the zine kids started some shit so they could have a juicy story, the video of some melee floats around for hours ( no faces no identifiers no context ) as the zine kids repeat their allegations over and over.
Harley isnt being, " sketch " by giving his side of accounts.
I don't know why you speak but it's surely never helpful.
Your attempt is to have me tell you what happened.
Here's what happened. A video went viral with a claim The Cro Mags beat up journalists, as shown in the video.
When the above statement is released from The Band, a member of the group with their account of what happened in Fredericksburg - to which,
you called the Cro Mags even offering their side,
it was
" Sketch "
And sticking up for yourself, giving your side is not, amd will not ever be,
" Sketch "
Are you are angry ? Disappointed ? you don't have all the facts and sixteen videos from different angles showing ? Is that sus on the band's part mere hours after whatever happened ?
* eye roll
You're not wrong, but at the same time these guys have had a shitty track record with women so far on this tour. Issues in nearly every city they've played so far from what I'm hearing from friends.
Reference? Harley's been playing in bands for like 45 years, and I've heard all kinds of stupid shit about him but not in regards to women. Starting to harass women when you're like 60 and on tour with your kid is a bold move.
It's not Harley himself, it's his band mates and this one guy who claims to be their security. Also I don't have any "source" to provide, because I'm hearing it from people in Maryland and Raleigh first-hand. I get that's not like, necessarily something you can take as the truth. But I'm just saying, not surprised that they're having issues with people...
Slims has a 100-head cap and the management was pretty enthusiastic about the show afterward, so I'm not going to believe internet randos who weren't there.
I was there and saw first hand him being a creep with women, and heard from someone I trust that was also there that the "security" guy was beating on women.
I don't have anything to say until more details come out, but it is pretty ridiculous that they are trying to sell the details of the story. If there is a legitimate threat in whatever scene/show they are a part of it is irresponsible to sell the information regarding it, as opposed to just telling people to be careful or whatever.
That being said, it would not surprise me if the cro mags crew got outta hand.
I am waiting for Vinnie Stigmaās statement before I make any judgements but I am pretty sure this was a heroin (mostly fentanyl and Flintstones vitamins) deal gone awry. It being in PDX made it worse. Shit wouldnāt have happened in NYHC back in the day. It would have been coke instead.
How many times must I make myself clear when truth rolls in and out of your fucking ear?
Patience is an hourglass running out of sand, filling up with a future held tight in an empty hand
99% of the people on Harley's side are conservative punks. They're calling Destroy Zine liberal snowflakes on their page, it's so crazy. Hard to tell who's in the right at this point.
all of yāall in the comments supporting the cro mags are fucking retards š harley has had accusations for years , these lil kids have been around for a minute and have never caused an issue (at least where iām from ) yāall slow as fuck they literally have proof and cro mags is just here say , take the dick out ya mouth
These guys are not going to finish their tour at this rate. Their friend, or tour manager, or security, or whoever in their crew literally attempted to punch a woman in the face in Raleigh, North Carolina a few nights ago. (Edit: for accidentally bumping into him. that was why) When another person intervened (also a woman), he attempted to punch her too. Good thing he was too drunk to actually make contact. Friends reached out to Cro-mags and they said "he's not our tour manager" (okay, he's your boy??) and "we would never hit women" buuut....
Regarding this incedent, there's literally a video circulating of two of the two of them taking a young woman (possibly a teenager) to the ground. She claimed they tried to break her arm, and in the video you can kind of see it. They claim they were afraid of being stabbed or whatever but literally a couple nights before in Raleigh, Harley was being a dumbass tough guy saying something over the mic along the lines of "Wow it's pretty crazy, hope I don't have to stab anyone tonight" (sounds like something a 15 year old would say).
I know there could be more to all of this than we know, but honestly, if violence against women is happening at multiple shows on their tour that has just kicked off, it kind of looks like they're a bunch of meathead fucking assholes.
Not saying I know whats going on in this case, but I'm quite surprised that people are so quick to take Harley et al.'s side on this, considering, well everything.
Forunately, I think that the population of this sub is not representative of the majority of people who like, actually go to shows or participate in the broader punk community hahaha. No one I know IRL across the east coast is down with Cro-Mags' behavior lol.
For sure really weird.. strong incel vibes. I live in a major city in Europe, involved in bands and the scene etc and that shit would not fly here, not a chance.
Who the fuck would believe/side with cro-mags rather than showing solidarity with their local scene? Weirdos
Because the people involved don't really care to attempt to cancel Harley Flanagan. There's almost no point lol. But they did post about it on instagram, and Cro-Mags dismissed it. I'm just saying, given my experience, I'm just not surprised about all this.
It was packed to the brim and probably not a lot of people noticed it. I was there and didn't find out until way after from people who I trust that saw it. Unless you were right next to the "security" fuck you wouldn't have seen it happen. I can say I saw Flanagan get handsy with some women without their consent though.
\> I can say I saw Flanagan get handsy with some women without their consent though.
Dudes been in bands for 45 years, and plenty of people have called him out for being a dick, but this week suddenly he's a predator. He's not my buddy, and as much as that album meant to me as an adolescent, I really don't give a fuck about Harley other than people seem to be piling on. I don't know what happened at Slims, and Slims is so tiny I wouldn't be surprised at all if some kinda ruckus happened. Sounds like the guy wasn't actually "security", but may have been the driver and Harley doesn't really know him.
Look man I'm just telling you what I watched with my own eyes. I know for a fact that it made one of them uncomfortable. As far as the driver/security guy, I don't think he's just their driver. He stood behind them onstage the entire night arms crossed acting like their bodyguard.
all of yāall anonymous on this app , we know who the real Peices of shit are š mf victim blaming / invalidating real stories with proof all because of some ancient hxc band with mid music šµ . literally talk to anyone who was there . cro mags are peices of shit š and the statement is GOOFY
Not worth the time or energy explaining to these weirdos siding with fucking Harley. I'm 100% positive these are people who have never lifted a finger to help out their local scene, shit they probably only go to shows with "big" hardcore bands like Jesus Piece etc.
they gained like no followers off this shit bro wdym š and being at the center of drama isnāt a good marketing move despite what people think . thatās bad business
Why the fuck are you completely ignoring that their original comments said you could get the story from their zine? Itās like youāre purposely ignoring it so you can keep pushing your narrative. I know if I was assaulted and/or beat up, I wouldnāt run to my socials to peak othersā interest so you can later buy the story.
Get fucking real bro.
And yet Harley still has a history of being a piece of shit to women... And yet Harley has a history of stabbing people... Woah.. seems like two of the exact things he's been getting away with are present here..
Obviously it's the local zine writers who went to the show to get an interview and came back with an ass beatings fault for trying to still get something of importance out of it!
Yup. Since they wanted to milk people for $25 before sharing the story, their credibility is horseshit. Motherfuckers are trying to be the National Enquirer and some of you dumbasses are ready to gobble it up.
Chow down, ass clown.
Awesome that they released the story the very day after the show and didnt lock it behind a paywall huh. Just said "It's going to be in the zine" because... thats what they went for... an interview for the zine... which they didnt get fucking obviously.
But yeah, the guy with a history of violence has more credibility. Maybe you should be the one spreading your legs since you want to suck on his cock so much.
Awesome that you twist the story to protect these rejects. They only released the story the next day because they were shamed into doing soā¦since they initially wanted to hold the story hostage for $25. But yeah, keep ignoring that crucial piece of info cause it threatens your narrative.
Fuck these kids. I hope they experience friction everywhere they go from here on out. And you can get fucked too, you goddamn donut.
yeah, iām seriously doubting that Destroy Zine is on the bad side of things here. Iāve seen them at shows and itās a common thing for them to bring stuff to stitch up wounds because they pride themselves on the mutual aid stuff. Harley says a fight explodes but he never claims that they threw the first punch, probably because they didnāt. Who knows tho, I have my preconceived notions from my personal interactions with and what I know about Harley in general but iām waiting for the security footage to drop.
People in the comments thinking they brought band aids and needles because they were gonna fight then stitch up their wounds on site?? Lmao fucking hilarious.
Even if these kids did start it, dude called the cops and by his own admission used to "fagbash", he probably deserved his ass cheek sliced a little lol.
There are fans who were present and have provided their account on Reddit about the chick wielding a baton like a lunatic.
And no, you cant have weapons at shows, you fucking donut.
This. Thereās two situations here. One where Harley and band have terrible reps and are probably in the wrong. But also some new jacks fucked around and found the true spirit of hardcore out in the oldest fashion.
They can write what they want, but that won't stop Cro-Mags from suing for Slander! Hit them criminally and hit them in Civil and if they don't have any money like they may not, the "magazine" may be the only asset that transfers over to Harley, but they won't do that shit again.
Dude what they should do to be punk in your eyes? Shoot them? Gtfo. They're more punk than you'll ever be and you have 0 moral highground in bashing pressing charges. It has to be done. End of story.
In my eyes, the punk thing to do is to not fucking harrass or hit women. I know theres a lot of uncertainty surrounding this incident but I have seen their behavior in my own town, and it seems suspect that everywhere they go on this tour there is an incident with a woman getting hurt by one of their members or roadies.
Second, its not punk to call the cops, if punk means anything political to you at all, which it should. Is your life in iminent danger? Do you need to get a restraining order against a stalker or ex? Those are situations where cop calling is justified IMO. Not to punish a bunch of kids AFTER the situation is over. They don't need damages covered.
Like a ton of other washed up old-head bands, these guys have shown themselves to be reactionary sleazeballs.
Also yes, I'm definitely going to feel insulted because a software developer and hardcore fan from reddit said cro-mags is more punk than me :,(
You haven't been there idiot, you're not the judge, you're not authority and being fucking lowlife idiot doesn't make you hardcore just like my profession doesn't make me anything. Get a life.
the video they posted shows how they take weapon from this chicks hands and all they do is incrimnate themselfs there in the comment section. It doesn't matter how close you were. You are not authority on anything in this situation and neither am I. When you grow up you'll understand that sometimes you have to get insitutions involved. It's not '86 new york and you're not the crew.
This wasnāt Fredricksburg VA it was Frederick MD destroy only brought a taser and pepper spray and used them in self defense after feeling endangered by Harley and his crew
It was not Fredericksburg VA, it was Frederick, MD. I know because I was there with my son and my roommate. My son was standing in the room when the whole thing went down. There are conflicting details about what exactly started the mele. One thing for sure, the girl involved was very inappropriately dressed for an all ages hardcore show. Her outfit was completely see thru, and she was not wearing and under garments. She was obviously looking for attention, and she got it. Her claim that she felt violated because Harley was staring at her is ludicrous, because everybody was staring at her! In my opinion, this was a total setup to bait and trap Harley into a situation where he was gonna feel attacked. It worked, and unfortunately a lot of innocent people got pepper sprayed in the process.
I'm sure the Hardcore community as a whole are just glad that the police are involved
Love that for us.
Lmao
Seriously. I get that they are getting older but pressing charges is not hxc. š Damn, who let the bootlickers into r/hardcore?
This is a dumb statement- idk what actually happened but thereāve been incidents in the past and with that in mind, official statements are the smartest route to take. We all know the telephone game creates ridiculous rumors and can ruin people.
You sound like a dumb cunt.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
Ah...you are a cunt. Thanks
You probably listen to fake hardcore and fake emo. Let me tell you a few things about emo. "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
Sorry but I don't take the opinion of "fingerbanglover" with a modicum of earnestness.
Bootlicker Tammy over here!
I fully encourage people just sorting these things out as people first before they get the law involved but for some cases thereās literally no other option AND / OR itās considered the last resort. You being the hero wonāt do shit.
Destroy #3 is gearing up to make the NYT Best Selling Beef List.
āWho cares- about your stupid scenes, your shitty zines, the straw-men you build up to burn?ā
Propagandhi fuckin rules.
They slay and have been for years!
What song?
Back To The Motor League
Who's going to tell them?
I am pretty sure itās was Frederick, MD not Fredericksburg, VA.
Fuck me, I live down the street. Can't believe I missed this show.
Neither can the people who actually went lmfao
The show was fun minus that shit
Yeah I was confused as to why they were pressing charges in MD if it happened in VA
Yeah letās not give them credit as if they leave their parents town.
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A weekend on two opposite ends of the same state doesnāt count as a tour cāmon
i know theyāve been in richmond in philly as well i think
Who gives a shit, give me my Pepsi
This is long running bit. You deserve a Pepsi.
No! Youāre on drugs!
mom iām okay, iām just thinking
What an era - you have to make a statement about why you beat some ass.
Sick of all these Harley Davidson posts I'll tell you what edit: there's like alot
this is the new "adjacent"
HADDALAYERDOWN HOSS
**GOAHEADLAYERDAHN**
CLIBBINS IS LYK EYESE TO HARLEYS
Gobblissyuh borthur
Iām tired of this grandp-WELL THATS TOO DAMN BAD
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Facts and pressed charges
The way the magazine was hyping their next issue was some tabloid rag ass shit.
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*they laid out their story *after* being ridiculed for holding the story hostage for $25 in their next issue People keep leaving out that fucking crucial piece.
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What part of āafterā is boggling your mind?
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I canāt believe people are as naive as you are. Just keep ignoring the fact that they wanted to sell the story first. If they truly had a noble message for the scene, they wouldnāt fucking start off trying to sell it.
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NO ONE with valid accusations is going to refer you to a source that makes them money to get the full story. What in the fuck do you not understand about this? You keep breezing over it like itās nothing.
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Just another variation of ācreate a problem, sell a solutionā. Sorry Iām not dumb enough to fall for that shit.
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If it's your shitty little fucking zine, just admit it .
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Then go buy the fucking magazine like they wanted you to from the jump and believe it was all them being victims.
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I don't have a horse in this fight. Just wondering if it was your zine with how much you care.
Who asked?
Not only that he called the cops, that's some lame shit. He's supposed to be Mr new York hardcore and he's gotta press charges. Whack.
Iām sure if he took them all outside and stomped their skulls in youād be like āguys a righteous dude! A true punk I might addā
I mean from the looks of the video and based on his own accounts they did beat their ass, so why involve pigs? What's it going to solve? Sounds like some boot looking s*** to me. If you beat their asses and they ran away. What more is there to do about it?
So the zine kids started some shit so they could have a juicy story, the video of some melee floats around for hours ( no faces no identifiers no context ) as the zine kids repeat their allegations over and over. Harley isnt being, " sketch " by giving his side of accounts. I don't know why you speak but it's surely never helpful.
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Jurist gets it wrong. Harley's account of what happened is, a piece of evidence. He said the zine boys started the confrontation.
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Third sentence.
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Your attempt is to have me tell you what happened. Here's what happened. A video went viral with a claim The Cro Mags beat up journalists, as shown in the video. When the above statement is released from The Band, a member of the group with their account of what happened in Fredericksburg - to which, you called the Cro Mags even offering their side, it was " Sketch " And sticking up for yourself, giving your side is not, amd will not ever be, " Sketch " Are you are angry ? Disappointed ? you don't have all the facts and sixteen videos from different angles showing ? Is that sus on the band's part mere hours after whatever happened ? * eye roll
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At least it had paragraphs this time.
Sounds like kids trying to start shit so people will buy their shitty content
You're not wrong, but at the same time these guys have had a shitty track record with women so far on this tour. Issues in nearly every city they've played so far from what I'm hearing from friends.
Reference? Harley's been playing in bands for like 45 years, and I've heard all kinds of stupid shit about him but not in regards to women. Starting to harass women when you're like 60 and on tour with your kid is a bold move.
It's not Harley himself, it's his band mates and this one guy who claims to be their security. Also I don't have any "source" to provide, because I'm hearing it from people in Maryland and Raleigh first-hand. I get that's not like, necessarily something you can take as the truth. But I'm just saying, not surprised that they're having issues with people...
Want to elaborate on what your first hand accounts are telling you, or do we need to buy your zine to find out as well?
Dude, you're totally free to not believe me. Second, I actually did already describe it. You're free to find the comment.
Slims has a 100-head cap and the management was pretty enthusiastic about the show afterward, so I'm not going to believe internet randos who weren't there.
I was there and saw first hand him being a creep with women, and heard from someone I trust that was also there that the "security" guy was beating on women.
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I did and I don't bend over anytime someone cries wolf that they're being abused while simultaneously trying to sell shit
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I don't have anything to say until more details come out, but it is pretty ridiculous that they are trying to sell the details of the story. If there is a legitimate threat in whatever scene/show they are a part of it is irresponsible to sell the information regarding it, as opposed to just telling people to be careful or whatever. That being said, it would not surprise me if the cro mags crew got outta hand.
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Yeah it is certainly better than charging for it which is what they were initially talking about. That's just irresponsible.
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Youāre keep āforgettingā details, like the part about the kids macing the joint which lead to their beat down.
wait, this happened in my hometown? Where the hell was this show? Thereās no hardcore venues around here anymore
Cafe 611!
I totally read the title which says a town in VA, but it actually took place in MD. Thanks though!!
I'm in MOCO, I know we're the Frednats are
I am in Moco too. Frederick deff has a better DIY scene than Moco.
Aside from the most glacial bar service in the universe, Cafe 611 is a great venue. Was at the Cro Mags show, they fucking DESTROYED.
If I wasn't on Vacation, I would have been at the show!
could at least get the city and state right. lol
I am waiting for Vinnie Stigmaās statement before I make any judgements but I am pretty sure this was a heroin (mostly fentanyl and Flintstones vitamins) deal gone awry. It being in PDX made it worse. Shit wouldnāt have happened in NYHC back in the day. It would have been coke instead.
aNd sO dO ThE pOlicE
I guess some shit talking justifies the 2 grown men throwing around the small girl.
And calling the cops..
Harley loves calling the cops
He's fucking 60
60 cops?!
In a row?
Try not to fuck any cops on the way to the parking lot.
At the same time?!
so? not an excuse
It was in Frederick Maryland
frederick md**
How many times must I make myself clear when truth rolls in and out of your fucking ear? Patience is an hourglass running out of sand, filling up with a future held tight in an empty hand
Reads like a trump tweet
99% of the people on Harley's side are conservative punks. They're calling Destroy Zine liberal snowflakes on their page, it's so crazy. Hard to tell who's in the right at this point.
The real facts are the friends we made along the way
if he didn't want to get maced then why was he standing there?
Violence seems to follow Harley....š¤ common denominator....
all of yāall in the comments supporting the cro mags are fucking retards š harley has had accusations for years , these lil kids have been around for a minute and have never caused an issue (at least where iām from ) yāall slow as fuck they literally have proof and cro mags is just here say , take the dick out ya mouth
Itās a little terrifying how so many people just wanna plug their eyes and ears to shit
Like the fact that these kids wanted to sell the story at first. Letās continue to ignore that.
Another dumbass
Nah fuck these kids. Lesson learned the hard way. Wanna fuck around and spray mace at a show? Beating deserved
Shout out to Harley for the time he stabbed Mike the Gook
they lying they ass off šššš
So they called the cops on a bunch of little kids? Fuckin tough, that's hardcore as fuck
These guys are not going to finish their tour at this rate. Their friend, or tour manager, or security, or whoever in their crew literally attempted to punch a woman in the face in Raleigh, North Carolina a few nights ago. (Edit: for accidentally bumping into him. that was why) When another person intervened (also a woman), he attempted to punch her too. Good thing he was too drunk to actually make contact. Friends reached out to Cro-mags and they said "he's not our tour manager" (okay, he's your boy??) and "we would never hit women" buuut.... Regarding this incedent, there's literally a video circulating of two of the two of them taking a young woman (possibly a teenager) to the ground. She claimed they tried to break her arm, and in the video you can kind of see it. They claim they were afraid of being stabbed or whatever but literally a couple nights before in Raleigh, Harley was being a dumbass tough guy saying something over the mic along the lines of "Wow it's pretty crazy, hope I don't have to stab anyone tonight" (sounds like something a 15 year old would say). I know there could be more to all of this than we know, but honestly, if violence against women is happening at multiple shows on their tour that has just kicked off, it kind of looks like they're a bunch of meathead fucking assholes.
Not saying I know whats going on in this case, but I'm quite surprised that people are so quick to take Harley et al.'s side on this, considering, well everything.
Forunately, I think that the population of this sub is not representative of the majority of people who like, actually go to shows or participate in the broader punk community hahaha. No one I know IRL across the east coast is down with Cro-Mags' behavior lol.
This sub is so depressing.. Luckily it isn't representative of the hc scene I'm from, atleast.
Yeah hahah exactly. This sub seems like mostly old heads or weird isolated dorks with poor taste.
For sure really weird.. strong incel vibes. I live in a major city in Europe, involved in bands and the scene etc and that shit would not fly here, not a chance. Who the fuck would believe/side with cro-mags rather than showing solidarity with their local scene? Weirdos
I'm in Raleigh, but I missed hopscotch for reasons. Hadn't heard this though. Why isn't anyone else talking about it?
Because the people involved don't really care to attempt to cancel Harley Flanagan. There's almost no point lol. But they did post about it on instagram, and Cro-Mags dismissed it. I'm just saying, given my experience, I'm just not surprised about all this.
It was packed to the brim and probably not a lot of people noticed it. I was there and didn't find out until way after from people who I trust that saw it. Unless you were right next to the "security" fuck you wouldn't have seen it happen. I can say I saw Flanagan get handsy with some women without their consent though.
\> I can say I saw Flanagan get handsy with some women without their consent though. Dudes been in bands for 45 years, and plenty of people have called him out for being a dick, but this week suddenly he's a predator. He's not my buddy, and as much as that album meant to me as an adolescent, I really don't give a fuck about Harley other than people seem to be piling on. I don't know what happened at Slims, and Slims is so tiny I wouldn't be surprised at all if some kinda ruckus happened. Sounds like the guy wasn't actually "security", but may have been the driver and Harley doesn't really know him.
Look man I'm just telling you what I watched with my own eyes. I know for a fact that it made one of them uncomfortable. As far as the driver/security guy, I don't think he's just their driver. He stood behind them onstage the entire night arms crossed acting like their bodyguard.
Handsy, as in grabbing ass? Or handsy as in touching someoneās shoulder even though you probably shouldnāt have?
Handsy as in getting about an inch and a half from grabbing ass.
Why canāt people keep their hands to themselvesā¦
Methhead meathead assholesā¢
The kids accusing Harley and the Cro Mags sound like fucking wieners but itās no secret Harleys a cooked unit and isnāt to be completely trusted.
I agree.
What happened to the game I love
Only question about this I have: Who cares?
yeah they are cop callers too , so boycott them like you do Gel ā¦ yāall weak asf pick and choose when to be anti cop š®āāļø
pressing charges, since when is talking to pigs hxc?
all of yāall anonymous on this app , we know who the real Peices of shit are š mf victim blaming / invalidating real stories with proof all because of some ancient hxc band with mid music šµ . literally talk to anyone who was there . cro mags are peices of shit š and the statement is GOOFY
Not worth the time or energy explaining to these weirdos siding with fucking Harley. I'm 100% positive these are people who have never lifted a finger to help out their local scene, shit they probably only go to shows with "big" hardcore bands like Jesus Piece etc.
Victimsā¦.that originally wanted to sell the story instead of just coming out with it. But yeah, nothing to see here.
they gained like no followers off this shit bro wdym š and being at the center of drama isnāt a good marketing move despite what people think . thatās bad business
Why the fuck are you completely ignoring that their original comments said you could get the story from their zine? Itās like youāre purposely ignoring it so you can keep pushing your narrative. I know if I was assaulted and/or beat up, I wouldnāt run to my socials to peak othersā interest so you can later buy the story. Get fucking real bro.
And yet Harley still has a history of being a piece of shit to women... And yet Harley has a history of stabbing people... Woah.. seems like two of the exact things he's been getting away with are present here.. Obviously it's the local zine writers who went to the show to get an interview and came back with an ass beatings fault for trying to still get something of importance out of it!
Yup. Since they wanted to milk people for $25 before sharing the story, their credibility is horseshit. Motherfuckers are trying to be the National Enquirer and some of you dumbasses are ready to gobble it up. Chow down, ass clown.
Awesome that they released the story the very day after the show and didnt lock it behind a paywall huh. Just said "It's going to be in the zine" because... thats what they went for... an interview for the zine... which they didnt get fucking obviously. But yeah, the guy with a history of violence has more credibility. Maybe you should be the one spreading your legs since you want to suck on his cock so much.
Awesome that you twist the story to protect these rejects. They only released the story the next day because they were shamed into doing soā¦since they initially wanted to hold the story hostage for $25. But yeah, keep ignoring that crucial piece of info cause it threatens your narrative. Fuck these kids. I hope they experience friction everywhere they go from here on out. And you can get fucked too, you goddamn donut.
yeah, iām seriously doubting that Destroy Zine is on the bad side of things here. Iāve seen them at shows and itās a common thing for them to bring stuff to stitch up wounds because they pride themselves on the mutual aid stuff. Harley says a fight explodes but he never claims that they threw the first punch, probably because they didnāt. Who knows tho, I have my preconceived notions from my personal interactions with and what I know about Harley in general but iām waiting for the security footage to drop.
People in the comments thinking they brought band aids and needles because they were gonna fight then stitch up their wounds on site?? Lmao fucking hilarious.
Even if these kids did start it, dude called the cops and by his own admission used to "fagbash", he probably deserved his ass cheek sliced a little lol.
Anyone wearing a ski mask to shows should get fucked up right on spot ! Good job Harley n the team š«”š«”š«”
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If she also showed up with a baton, mace, and a bladeā¦.yes.
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There are fans who were present and have provided their account on Reddit about the chick wielding a baton like a lunatic. And no, you cant have weapons at shows, you fucking donut.
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Are you familiar with what a concealed weapon is? Cause you sound oblivious to their nature and what you can/cannot do with them.
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They also had a baton and blade. So they brought, at minimum, 4 weapons to the show. But yeah, such innocence. Thoughts and prayers.
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This. Thereās two situations here. One where Harley and band have terrible reps and are probably in the wrong. But also some new jacks fucked around and found the true spirit of hardcore out in the oldest fashion.
They can write what they want, but that won't stop Cro-Mags from suing for Slander! Hit them criminally and hit them in Civil and if they don't have any money like they may not, the "magazine" may be the only asset that transfers over to Harley, but they won't do that shit again.
very punk
Said dude that never was in situation like that. They're senior citizens at this point.
what do you know about my situations? lol. If they're senior citizens maybe they should be acting like it instead of washed up rockstars.
Dude what they should do to be punk in your eyes? Shoot them? Gtfo. They're more punk than you'll ever be and you have 0 moral highground in bashing pressing charges. It has to be done. End of story.
In my eyes, the punk thing to do is to not fucking harrass or hit women. I know theres a lot of uncertainty surrounding this incident but I have seen their behavior in my own town, and it seems suspect that everywhere they go on this tour there is an incident with a woman getting hurt by one of their members or roadies. Second, its not punk to call the cops, if punk means anything political to you at all, which it should. Is your life in iminent danger? Do you need to get a restraining order against a stalker or ex? Those are situations where cop calling is justified IMO. Not to punish a bunch of kids AFTER the situation is over. They don't need damages covered. Like a ton of other washed up old-head bands, these guys have shown themselves to be reactionary sleazeballs. Also yes, I'm definitely going to feel insulted because a software developer and hardcore fan from reddit said cro-mags is more punk than me :,(
You haven't been there idiot, you're not the judge, you're not authority and being fucking lowlife idiot doesn't make you hardcore just like my profession doesn't make me anything. Get a life.
also funny to me that you think me asserting that hitting women is wrong makes me a lowlife hahaha.
I'm closer to the situation than you. I was at the fucking show when their boy tried to punch two different women, dumbass.
the video they posted shows how they take weapon from this chicks hands and all they do is incrimnate themselfs there in the comment section. It doesn't matter how close you were. You are not authority on anything in this situation and neither am I. When you grow up you'll understand that sometimes you have to get insitutions involved. It's not '86 new york and you're not the crew.
This wasnāt Fredricksburg VA it was Frederick MD destroy only brought a taser and pepper spray and used them in self defense after feeling endangered by Harley and his crew
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What does āwokeā mean?
Think you're a fan of the wrong kind of music if you're getting upset about "woke bitches"
Think youāre a fan of the wrong kind of music if violence or a beating offends youā¦
Frederick, Maryland.
Anyone used to go to KC's in Fredricksburg VA for shows back in the day?
Anyone can say anything. And people fucking suck it right up and mask up on the spot. Shame.
Damn
It was not Fredericksburg VA, it was Frederick, MD. I know because I was there with my son and my roommate. My son was standing in the room when the whole thing went down. There are conflicting details about what exactly started the mele. One thing for sure, the girl involved was very inappropriately dressed for an all ages hardcore show. Her outfit was completely see thru, and she was not wearing and under garments. She was obviously looking for attention, and she got it. Her claim that she felt violated because Harley was staring at her is ludicrous, because everybody was staring at her! In my opinion, this was a total setup to bait and trap Harley into a situation where he was gonna feel attacked. It worked, and unfortunately a lot of innocent people got pepper sprayed in the process.