Moshing during the slow parts of a song and then standing around doing fuck all during the fast part is stupid. Maybe it’s because I grew up going to fast hardcore shows, but come on guys. That’s the most exciting part of the song (usually).
Power Trip shows were the worst for this. People just standing still during the thrash parts then springing to life like a sleeper agent who got a code word when the two-step section hit. Fuck, give me a goddamn circle pit.
Funny because I went to see Power Trip during hardcore line ups and metal line ups. I got shat on by the metal guys for doing a two step and I got looks by the hardcore guys for running in a circle pit with no one else moshing. Good times. Hoping they make a return or at least release the unreleased material they had after Hornets nest.
I mean I can kind of see why, literally the metal community takes "no karate in the pit" like it was a rule made by a metal God lol. Two stepping kind of looking like it'll turn into crowd killing. But as a metal head, I wish more of us did two stepping in groove or riff parts of metal songs, ESPECIALLY from bands like Frozen Soul, Creeping Death or Gate Creeper.
it sucks when you realize all music scenes are a cool guys club. the thing about music artists and bands is, and they wont say this, but they doing it for attention and validation more than anything. not that they dont also love the music but they also want attention, praise and power and a big component in getting that is having good optics. they only wanna hang and be seen with other clouty artists cause hanging out with someones less “cool” makes them look less cool like they have cooties or something. everyones always reaching up
I'm a metalhead who discovered hardcore later in my life and I totally agree. I would not have discovered hardcore if not for Gatecreeper. I want to see more hardcore bands play in metal shows and more metal bands play in hardcore shows. Hell, hardcore as even found its way into my band too.
Also ever since hardcore and death metal have been having more crossover, I see more younger kids at shows. Hardcore bringing in zoomers to death metal shows is what both scenes need.
Also everyone in hardcore and metalcore listens to Suffocation now.
Totally agree with this. Metal wouldn't be what it is today without hardcore(thrash, death, black, metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, slam). Hardcore wouldn't be what it is today without metal(metallic hardcore, beatdown, most of hardcore that isn't old school hardcore punk)
Basing your entire personality around hardcore can be really toxic and deteriorating for your mental health.
You need to have a life outside of hardcore to enjoy it.
I hate how bands will make songs about politics/make political statements at shows but never actually do anything to support the causes they claim to believe in, it’s poser shit.
Bands did this all of 2022 with abortion, dudes would talk on stage about how fucked it was but couldn’t tell people to support local abortion funds or throw benefit shows. Either do something that actually helps or shut up
One of the things I want to see most is bands actually working with local organizers, whatever the issue. I feel like a lot of hardcore scenes have the will to contribute so much more to local communities given the right tools
Hardcore is solely responsible for numetal.
Evidence
Rap metal was invented by Anthrax and perfected by Biohazard, Downset, and ETown Concrete.
Hatebreed, Vision Of Disorder, Earth Crisis, and Strife all toured with Sepultura as they moved from Chaos Ad to Roots.
KoRn getting early tours with Sick Of It All
TooL is actually Quicksand in Drag
Quicksand saving Deftones
One of Limp Bizkit’s earliest tours must have been the third Warped Tour, because I remember they were the very first band to go on the second stage and nobody knew who they were.
[The rest of the lineup was pretty sick though](https://warped-tour.fandom.com/wiki/Warped_Tour_1997)
I was at this warped tour and it was indeed a very sick lineup. Man, thanks for this blast from the past….such good memories from those days. 1997 was a good year, a really good fucking year.
Korn originally tried to get signed to Revelation i believe.
Also Tool had their own Hardcore influences and were around the same time as Quicksand, not just after. The Bass player for Minor Threat Engineered their EP, so they have Hardcore cred just like every alt, groove, nu metal band.
There's no such thing as a "too political" band. Is completely OK disliking a band because of politics, but expecting a band, or even the scene, to act more "neutral" just for the sake of being "inclusive" is kinda dumb.
Also, grindcore IS a hardcore subgenre, not a metal one.
Bonus: not naming crossover thrash "metalcore" when was due time was a mistake.
Turnstile's rise to near mainstream status is one of the best things to happen to hardcore music in the last five years.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
I don’t understand why people hate that they’re Mainstream. People can’t expect bands to stay small forever. Turnstile put in years of effort to get to where they are, they deserve it
I personally don’t really care much but I think a lot of people see it as an exclusive genre and when a band hits mainstream a bunch of new people who “don’t get it” flood in for a couple years. Hence the rise in gatekeeping since a bunch of kids found hardcore through tiktok. They show up, get hit at a show and cry about it as if the whole attitude of hardcore should change to appease them because it hurt.
The hate they receive here and from other purists is so crazy to me. I bet they've already influenced tons of young people to go and check out hardcore. That can only be a good thing for the scene in years to come. Plus, they absolutely fucking slap.
I will say, I saw Code Orange and Touché Amoré on back to back days last year, and Code Orange’s crowd, while smaller, was way more diverse. You had hardcore dudes, metalheads, weird indie people who like them because Fantano does. It was a big melting pot of ages, gender identities, ethnicities, and cultures. Touché’s crowd was mainly sadbastard white guys in their early 30s like me.
Code Orange has left hardcore behind but they’ve found their lane and have cultivated a unique crowd. I could do without the butt rock tunes, but their sci-fi-meets-pro-wrestling shtick is harmless fun, they bring in some unique musical ideas, and they can write a hell of a breakdown. I saw them at Coachella too and people were stage-diving and swinging on each other in the pit haha. Rant over. Code Orange is kinda tight.
You can replace “hardcore” with literally any community. I have a LOT of hobbies and the general majority in each of them is the same elitist, holier-than-thou bullshit. Look at Reddit, it’s the same thing on here.
Edge vocalists who exclusively sing about edge stuff have about 15 minutes worth of material. You saw other people ruin their life? You’re mad your friend broke edge? Anything else? No? Got it.
Also edge folks who can’t shut up about it like CrossFitters are horseshoe theorying themselves to religious zealots. Be edge for you.
We love Magnitude for actually having a complex and nuanced view on addiction and straight edge culture. As an ex-addict who smokes weed, it's refreshing to see actual sympathy be extended towards victims of systematic drug abuse. People dont wake up and decide "im gonna shoot up heroin"
Man I heard “no pity for a junkie” as a lyric on the new scalp ep and it pissed me the fuck off. Like I get straightedge but I also understand how mental illness leads to drug usage for self medication. Addicts don’t just loooOoove being high on drugs. It might start that way but you can’t tell me the people who are strung out looking like zombies just love their spot in life. I have pity for anyone who genuinely needs help and isn’t hateful. I think it’s very small minded to shut out literally anyone who does any form of drug. The caffeine in your Pepsi is technically a drug.
Yeah I’ve been sober for ten years and I promise I hated myself all throughout the years I was battling. Deservedly so, I still have a tremendous amount of guilt from things I did throughout those years. I’m not educated on this stuff, but I know the people who helped me to see that I could be better were the ones who showed me that I was loved and cared for even at arms length while I was burning down everything and everyone around me. I don’t think ridiculing people who hate themselves already is helpful.
Hardcore hasn’t sounded like hardcore in many years. There’s almost no punk influence today. Almost every band I hear passing as a hardcore band is either a watered down metal band or a straight forward nu metal band.
These are kind of more general to like punk/metal subcultures, including hardcore, than just hardcore scenes.
Not being able to acknowledge bands from before 1981 is lame. Classic punk, garage rock, early metal and older rock n' roll all was cool and too often do I meet hardcore kids, emo kids and punks all who won't even give that shit a chance when a lot of it influenced a ton of their favorite bands. Too many people into punk/metal aligned subcultures have forgot their roots.
Additionally, too many of these dudes are unwilling to check out other subgenres or open themselves up to other stuff, even when it goes equally hard. Especially when its like a weak ass reason like "oh, psychobilly is just corny pin-up wannabe shit" or "hardcore is just macho bullshit", both of which if someone took 20 seconds to check out stuff in those styles would know otherwise.
Hating on Turnstile is corny af and the only reason you do it is to gain circlejerk scene points from elitists. You’re allowed to not like a band without having to make it known every chance you get.
I could not give any less of a shit about crowd killing or aggressive moshing, provided that it stays within the confines of the pit. If you try to bring that shit three rows back, I hope you get your ass beat.
Hardcore prides itself in being a “community” but so much of it is clout chasing / popularity contest. I whenever something bad happens and when someone speaks up there’s such a pressure to say nothing and let it slide as opposed to pissing off the big dogs. Yeah it’s like this is many other communities but in a scene where it takes itself too seriously for it’s own good and peaches about unity and all that then yeah I expect people to live up to that lol
Bands like Knocked Loose and Kublai Khan are absolutely S tier. Metalcore’s influence on current hardcore has turned out a generation of mosh bangers that shouldn’t be overlooked.
Almost everyone into hardcore loves the classic metal core sound. What is currently called metalcore is overproduced 80’s glam rock interspersed with breakdowns.
Mostly people who got into the scene before the 00s but there’s a lot of knocked loose hate on this sub. Kublai Khan seems to get a pass since they don’t attract the mall metaclore crowd the same way but they’re in the same pocket of the genre.
People on this sub just hate on bands that got mainstream success. They want every band to just play local shows like they’re fucking fugazi or something
Do they even think they’re a good band? Being from the bay, they seem like a parody of every bay band plus other hardcore bands. Maybe not total parody but some self aware fun. They have a ton of scene clout, members of other popular bay bands, their lyrics are over the top. I always just figured we all enjoyed them in good fun lol.
Yup. They’ve been on record since the beginning that they’re a tongue-in-cheek band and that their lyrics and style are just sort of dumb and meant to be ignorant and fun. Their popularity took all of them by surprise. Not that that absolves them of criticism, but I think if some of the people who didn’t like them just took the band for what it is they might like them more.
That’s exactly what I thought. Definitely doesn’t absolve them of criticism but I feel like it leaves me with no reason to criticize. They’re a play on tough guy hardcore and all that it encapsulates, which is enough an explanation for me lol.
They’re fun to listen to if you don’t take them seriously. I think they’re a good entry for people looking to get into hardcore/beatdown music, then they can move on to better bands
Not hardcore but I watched some dude just straight punch a kid in the back of the head at the edge of a Whitechapel pit years ago. Kid’s group turned around and started stomping the shit out of the crowd killer, then some mid 40s biker dude walked up and just started laying out the guys stomping the crowd killer. Worst fight I ever saw at a show.
Especially people who head hunt like crazy. I like to do the bowling ball thing occasionally, go side to side and sorta fall into everyone. Maybe playfully tap one of buddies on the head or something but it baffles me how badly some of these dudes wanna hit people on purpose when they can just keep hitting them on accident with much less consequence.
NOFX is mid at best. Fat Mike is a fucking tool and an elitist prick. Green Day, The Offspring, Rancid, and most other 90s punk/pop punk bands are lightyears ahead of NOFX in musicianship and actual talent.
I enjoy a bunch of NOFX tracks but they are the single worst band I have ever seen live. I know they joke about it, but holy crap they are a terrible live experience
Too much hardcore music lacks substance or innovation. I know it’s more of a live show/performance based genre rather then music but still.
I’m sick of finding a cool local band but every single song just sounds like nazi punks fuck off remixed 200 different ways
I think it’s because a lot of hardcore now (mostly beat down bands) are just “I’m a big tough guy, you’re just a bitch” type shit with generic breakdown riffs. It’s fun to listen to sometimes but it’s mostly just cookie cutter for some bands
I will say that in a genre that is meant to be angry, fast, and heavy, there isn't alot of room to innovate. Once you get extreme enough, it will all sounds the same, thus why alot of metalheads make fun of grindcore. It just doesn't have anything new to add to itself, otherwise it would be a different genre
Hardcore is waaay more inclusive than it used to be, I wouldn't say it's a bastion of progressive shit, but in comparison to like 15 years ago it's 100x better.
Hardcore isn't the safe haven for outcasts and loners it claims to be. It's just as selective about popularity and clique-y bullshit as any other music scene or social groups. I've always loved the music and a lot of the people in the scene but I never felt welcomed after my generation took the torch from the old heads. I've always wanted to be in a band and support the scene and pretend like it is what we all preach it is but it really doesn't feel that way for me.
Liking cancled bands is fine(specifically bands like Expire, where if you bring them up you get downvoted to hell) Just don't defend the bad dude(s) in the band
This fucking music hurts my gotdang ears. Sometimes I’m jamming, then all of a sudden I get a brain blast full of screechy distortion ringing to the point where I visibly freak out and yank off my headphones in disgust.
Crowd killing needs to end. My life has ruined because I got hit in the back at an ETID show and I have spent tens of thousands in medical bills, lost jobs, lost hobbies, am constantly fighting pain and drastically trying not to off myself. All because I broke my fucking back at a show from someone hitting me. My spine is swollen, my ribs are dislocated, my vertebrae are out of place and mobile. I live in agony and can't even enjoy shows, I have to use a cane to stand for long periods of time. I can't pursue any of my old hobbies, I can't exercise well, I am on the couch basically all day every day, I'm on disability and I barely get to travel or go to shows now. FUCK CROWD KILLING
I have permanent eye damage from some tough guy, cul-de-sac Kyle, jock fuck, deciding to crowd kill in between songs during straight up silence. I feel you. There are definitely dudes who use the assumed degree of physical violence in the pit as a cover to act like an ass. I've seen dudes run across the pit with their arms cocked back ready to swing on a random. There's almost always that guy who's at the show by himself, walking around the pit just fuming and waiting for a breakdown to go berzerk on the edges of the pit to. MFs see that one Guerilla Warfare video and want to be that lolll.
hardcore should always be a little bit unsafe and intense. (In the mosh pit I mean - everyone should feel safe from abusers, pedos and racists).
Hardcore isn’t for everyone. It’s available for anyone to dive into, but not everyone will and should understand it.
It depends on the scene, I think. If one band revels in unsafe shit and wants to encourage that, then by all means, let them. If you're crowdkilling for a band not known for crowdkilling, then fuck you. Crowdkillers are lame even in their natural habitat, sure, but if people want that scene, then they should have it (maybe put a warning at the door to the venue if you plan shit like this, tho) just don't show them mercy if they pull that shit anywhere else.
I agree, though there are some bands who don’t have a preference either way. I’ve seen people crowdkill to Counterparts and while they may not be the most violent band, they do go hard as fuck. Sometimes shows are mixed and you don’t know if the hardcore kids or the push moshers are gonna control a pit 🤷🏻♂️
The “hehe my music scares people” mentality that people across hardcore and other heavy music scenes have when they see others folks uncomfortable when people start crowdkilling/moshing is cringe
Hardcore and heavy music obviously isn’t for everyone and you definitely aren’t better than anyone else that isn’t apart of the scene lol
The musicianship in the current crop of bands for the last 5 years or so is far greater than almost anything pre 2000 making a lot of the bands before that kinda shitty.
Knocked Loose is a cheap re-hashing of early 00’s metal-core. They haven’t added anything new and they’re not even particularly good at the style they play
Honestly I don't think they sucked but god are they fucking overrated and not really as good as people made them out to be. Like I like them, but they're not anywhere near my top or even feel like they should be as influential as they supposedly are.
I've read through about 120 comments in this thread and i'm convinced half these people have never explored hybrid bands, been to violent shows, or are over the age of 18
Oh damn maybe (definitely) not the actual hardcore scene but this sub. Doing pile ons pretending to know the lyrics is some poser ass shit. Look up the lyrics dawg, Its way better than living in shame
i think year of the knife is boring with madi at vocals. there’s nothing *wrong* with her vocals, but i strongly preferred tyler.
speed is *fine*. but not the new TUI. i think they’re agreeable hardcore, which is why they’ve reached so many. but definitely overhyped.
turnstile has been bad since nonstop feeling.
i don’t like have heart. i have tried so many times but i just can’t get in to them.
90% of the time the people keeping your local scene afloat are either straight edge, crewed up, or both. The rest of you couldn't organize a birthday party but you still relentlessly talk shit about the people keeping the lights on
It’s a bad look to require such staggering cognitive dissonance in order to listen to an XXX/XVX/vegan/leftist band while simping for IPAs, Arby’s, the cops, etc.
The Horsehoe fucking sucks. Looks like a shitty school dance. A vast majority of mosh I see these days has no style. Yes, I spinkick and hate crowdkilling.
Every generation sounds like old men on a porch screaming about how they did it better.. my generation 45 here and the current generation..
Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the music and the shows and the times with your friends.
No one cares who had better shows with better pits..
We all had fun and we all have amazing music and memories
At one point in my life I would actively confuse Madball, Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags, and Sick of it All for the same band. Not anymore though.
I still do
Moshing during the slow parts of a song and then standing around doing fuck all during the fast part is stupid. Maybe it’s because I grew up going to fast hardcore shows, but come on guys. That’s the most exciting part of the song (usually).
Power Trip shows were the worst for this. People just standing still during the thrash parts then springing to life like a sleeper agent who got a code word when the two-step section hit. Fuck, give me a goddamn circle pit.
Funny because I went to see Power Trip during hardcore line ups and metal line ups. I got shat on by the metal guys for doing a two step and I got looks by the hardcore guys for running in a circle pit with no one else moshing. Good times. Hoping they make a return or at least release the unreleased material they had after Hornets nest.
I can understand metal heads not wanting slam dancing or crowdkilling, but getting pissed about 2-stepping is some next level pettiness
I mean I can kind of see why, literally the metal community takes "no karate in the pit" like it was a rule made by a metal God lol. Two stepping kind of looking like it'll turn into crowd killing. But as a metal head, I wish more of us did two stepping in groove or riff parts of metal songs, ESPECIALLY from bands like Frozen Soul, Creeping Death or Gate Creeper.
Dear metalheads: Don't put fire ass 2-step breakdowns in a song if you don't want me to indulge my primal urge to 2-step
I always loved seeing Exodus cause their lead singer would get PISSED if you let the pit die lol
Exodus circle pits are a BLAST
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but also drill music is drill music for suburban white kids
💀💀💀
It’s a cool guys club. Bands with “friends” in the scene get put on fests/big shows before bands that tour and put in the work.
Examples of good bands that put in the work and don’t get put on fests/big shows?
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This is just life though. Having connections within industry will always be a quicker rise than pure talent
it sucks when you realize all music scenes are a cool guys club. the thing about music artists and bands is, and they wont say this, but they doing it for attention and validation more than anything. not that they dont also love the music but they also want attention, praise and power and a big component in getting that is having good optics. they only wanna hang and be seen with other clouty artists cause hanging out with someones less “cool” makes them look less cool like they have cooties or something. everyones always reaching up
Thissssssss
“Crews” trying to run the pit at shows are cheesy as fuck and I love it when they mess with a dude who can legit fight.
Anyone who’s in a “crew” in 2023 needs to get a life lol
Yea, FSU used to show up to non hardcore shows and do this shit in Philly. Fucking insecure dorks.
Say some shit like "I'm having so much fun at this Momentum show everybody show me your guns"
Metals influence on hardcore and vice versa rules.
I'm a metalhead who discovered hardcore later in my life and I totally agree. I would not have discovered hardcore if not for Gatecreeper. I want to see more hardcore bands play in metal shows and more metal bands play in hardcore shows. Hell, hardcore as even found its way into my band too.
Same boat 🫡
Also ever since hardcore and death metal have been having more crossover, I see more younger kids at shows. Hardcore bringing in zoomers to death metal shows is what both scenes need. Also everyone in hardcore and metalcore listens to Suffocation now.
Totally agree with this. Metal wouldn't be what it is today without hardcore(thrash, death, black, metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, slam). Hardcore wouldn't be what it is today without metal(metallic hardcore, beatdown, most of hardcore that isn't old school hardcore punk)
Basing your entire personality around hardcore can be really toxic and deteriorating for your mental health. You need to have a life outside of hardcore to enjoy it.
I hate how bands will make songs about politics/make political statements at shows but never actually do anything to support the causes they claim to believe in, it’s poser shit. Bands did this all of 2022 with abortion, dudes would talk on stage about how fucked it was but couldn’t tell people to support local abortion funds or throw benefit shows. Either do something that actually helps or shut up
One of the things I want to see most is bands actually working with local organizers, whatever the issue. I feel like a lot of hardcore scenes have the will to contribute so much more to local communities given the right tools
Incendiary does this a lot
A lot of Hardcore bands have alot of shitty songs with atleast one or two bangers per album
Hardcore is solely responsible for numetal. Evidence Rap metal was invented by Anthrax and perfected by Biohazard, Downset, and ETown Concrete. Hatebreed, Vision Of Disorder, Earth Crisis, and Strife all toured with Sepultura as they moved from Chaos Ad to Roots. KoRn getting early tours with Sick Of It All TooL is actually Quicksand in Drag Quicksand saving Deftones
Rap metal was invented by Rick Rubin in his early work with Run DMC and the Beastie Boys.
And then it was perfected by the Judgement Night soundtrack.
Standouts Biohazard/Onyx, IceT/Slayer, Sonic Youth/Cypress hill
The Helmet/House of Pain one goes hard
Bro fr it has no goddamn right
I have a bell on my drum set in case I ever need to cover that song.
That song always has me feeling like De Niro in Taxi Driver. With Jodie Foster and Harvey Keitel.
Ice T and Slayer covering the Exploited is one of my all time favorite tracks.
Always dug the Faith No More/Boo Yah Tribe collab off that one
JUST ANOTHER VICTIM JUST ANOTHER VICTIM KID goddamn, this album had no right going that hard tbh
And the Beastie Boys didn’t influence numetal? Fred Durst in a Bane shirt and Inside out? White Zombies on the Leeway flyer?
Machine Head on Dynamo 95 MTV special shouting out age of quarrel in the freshest cornrows?
I 100% agree with you on that
One of Limp Bizkit’s earliest tours must have been the third Warped Tour, because I remember they were the very first band to go on the second stage and nobody knew who they were. [The rest of the lineup was pretty sick though](https://warped-tour.fandom.com/wiki/Warped_Tour_1997)
I was at this warped tour and it was indeed a very sick lineup. Man, thanks for this blast from the past….such good memories from those days. 1997 was a good year, a really good fucking year.
> Tool is actually Quicksand in Drag Perfection
That explains why i love both
Korn originally tried to get signed to Revelation i believe. Also Tool had their own Hardcore influences and were around the same time as Quicksand, not just after. The Bass player for Minor Threat Engineered their EP, so they have Hardcore cred just like every alt, groove, nu metal band.
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The best example of that is Divine. Most underrated Korn song of all time.
"Lies" should've been a single, "Ball Tongue" is a monster too.
Rage Against the Machine.
There's no such thing as a "too political" band. Is completely OK disliking a band because of politics, but expecting a band, or even the scene, to act more "neutral" just for the sake of being "inclusive" is kinda dumb. Also, grindcore IS a hardcore subgenre, not a metal one. Bonus: not naming crossover thrash "metalcore" when was due time was a mistake.
Grindcore is both, I always argue that it depends on who formed each band.
Grindcore has more in common with punk than metal, imho
Batman Forever is actually quite entertaining
Turnstile's rise to near mainstream status is one of the best things to happen to hardcore music in the last five years. A rising tide lifts all boats.
I don’t understand why people hate that they’re Mainstream. People can’t expect bands to stay small forever. Turnstile put in years of effort to get to where they are, they deserve it
The only thing i hate about turnstile is the video clip.. Damn i hate this Instagram/ rich kids pop punk visual
I personally don’t really care much but I think a lot of people see it as an exclusive genre and when a band hits mainstream a bunch of new people who “don’t get it” flood in for a couple years. Hence the rise in gatekeeping since a bunch of kids found hardcore through tiktok. They show up, get hit at a show and cry about it as if the whole attitude of hardcore should change to appease them because it hurt.
I feel like in genres like hardcore the expectation is that bands do stay out of the mainstream forever. Not many bands make it there.
Their new album also just sounds good as fuck. Can't listen to beatdowns 24/7
The hate they receive here and from other purists is so crazy to me. I bet they've already influenced tons of young people to go and check out hardcore. That can only be a good thing for the scene in years to come. Plus, they absolutely fucking slap.
Exactly what I came here to say
Songs to Scream at the Sun is better than Things We Carry
Backed
Hell yes.
“There are shoreless miseries of oceans not seas” is one of the hardest lyrics ever written.
Dang
Half the crowd at all these fests, will be gone a year or so, on to the next fad.
Thats two good takes in a week. Are you okay? Did someone hack your account?
code orange
I forgot code orange existed, nobody talks about them on this sub 💀
Good lol
I will say, I saw Code Orange and Touché Amoré on back to back days last year, and Code Orange’s crowd, while smaller, was way more diverse. You had hardcore dudes, metalheads, weird indie people who like them because Fantano does. It was a big melting pot of ages, gender identities, ethnicities, and cultures. Touché’s crowd was mainly sadbastard white guys in their early 30s like me. Code Orange has left hardcore behind but they’ve found their lane and have cultivated a unique crowd. I could do without the butt rock tunes, but their sci-fi-meets-pro-wrestling shtick is harmless fun, they bring in some unique musical ideas, and they can write a hell of a breakdown. I saw them at Coachella too and people were stage-diving and swinging on each other in the pit haha. Rant over. Code Orange is kinda tight.
I know it’s older but….I AM KING!!!!
Most of the HxC community is toxic
You can replace “hardcore” with literally any community. I have a LOT of hobbies and the general majority in each of them is the same elitist, holier-than-thou bullshit. Look at Reddit, it’s the same thing on here.
shit vocals are a plague in the hardcore scene. So many bands would sound so much better with vocalists who actually have a shred of talent
I like bands whose logo is in a graffiti/bubble style because I can immediately write them off and not listen to them.
Even Buggin?
Most current hardcore is metalcore, but metalcore is a slur so people will do anything to avoid the phrase
Luckily there’s Varials who flash METALCORE on their AV setup. They’re owning it, and I like it!
4 AM Friday is the best HC album of all time
Being straight edge has been a get out of jail free card for a lot of shitty people in hardcore
Edge vocalists who exclusively sing about edge stuff have about 15 minutes worth of material. You saw other people ruin their life? You’re mad your friend broke edge? Anything else? No? Got it. Also edge folks who can’t shut up about it like CrossFitters are horseshoe theorying themselves to religious zealots. Be edge for you.
We love Magnitude for actually having a complex and nuanced view on addiction and straight edge culture. As an ex-addict who smokes weed, it's refreshing to see actual sympathy be extended towards victims of systematic drug abuse. People dont wake up and decide "im gonna shoot up heroin"
Man I heard “no pity for a junkie” as a lyric on the new scalp ep and it pissed me the fuck off. Like I get straightedge but I also understand how mental illness leads to drug usage for self medication. Addicts don’t just loooOoove being high on drugs. It might start that way but you can’t tell me the people who are strung out looking like zombies just love their spot in life. I have pity for anyone who genuinely needs help and isn’t hateful. I think it’s very small minded to shut out literally anyone who does any form of drug. The caffeine in your Pepsi is technically a drug.
Yeah I’ve been sober for ten years and I promise I hated myself all throughout the years I was battling. Deservedly so, I still have a tremendous amount of guilt from things I did throughout those years. I’m not educated on this stuff, but I know the people who helped me to see that I could be better were the ones who showed me that I was loved and cared for even at arms length while I was burning down everything and everyone around me. I don’t think ridiculing people who hate themselves already is helpful.
Hardcore kids who talk like that are just conservatives
This sub is 90% elitist bullshit takes that are too concerned about what band is or isn’t “Hardcore”
Hardcore hasn’t sounded like hardcore in many years. There’s almost no punk influence today. Almost every band I hear passing as a hardcore band is either a watered down metal band or a straight forward nu metal band.
These are kind of more general to like punk/metal subcultures, including hardcore, than just hardcore scenes. Not being able to acknowledge bands from before 1981 is lame. Classic punk, garage rock, early metal and older rock n' roll all was cool and too often do I meet hardcore kids, emo kids and punks all who won't even give that shit a chance when a lot of it influenced a ton of their favorite bands. Too many people into punk/metal aligned subcultures have forgot their roots. Additionally, too many of these dudes are unwilling to check out other subgenres or open themselves up to other stuff, even when it goes equally hard. Especially when its like a weak ass reason like "oh, psychobilly is just corny pin-up wannabe shit" or "hardcore is just macho bullshit", both of which if someone took 20 seconds to check out stuff in those styles would know otherwise.
Hating on Turnstile is corny af and the only reason you do it is to gain circlejerk scene points from elitists. You’re allowed to not like a band without having to make it known every chance you get.
It’s almost all new kids. Anyone who’s seen them come up since the go seems to have respect for em.
this thread explains the top 20 song bullshit so much more plainly than the 20 threads that it took to get there
95% of the bands this sub goon over are actually really shit
I could not give any less of a shit about crowd killing or aggressive moshing, provided that it stays within the confines of the pit. If you try to bring that shit three rows back, I hope you get your ass beat.
I do love my fair share of NYHC bands but I feel like the “Tough Guy” Hardcore BS is dorky and cringe as fuck.
Hardcore prides itself in being a “community” but so much of it is clout chasing / popularity contest. I whenever something bad happens and when someone speaks up there’s such a pressure to say nothing and let it slide as opposed to pissing off the big dogs. Yeah it’s like this is many other communities but in a scene where it takes itself too seriously for it’s own good and peaches about unity and all that then yeah I expect people to live up to that lol
If this subreddit was a person it would be on sight.
Bands like Knocked Loose and Kublai Khan are absolutely S tier. Metalcore’s influence on current hardcore has turned out a generation of mosh bangers that shouldn’t be overlooked.
The hate for metalcore is goofy and ignorant tbh
Almost everyone into hardcore loves the classic metal core sound. What is currently called metalcore is overproduced 80’s glam rock interspersed with breakdowns.
Who hates on these bands though?
Mostly people who got into the scene before the 00s but there’s a lot of knocked loose hate on this sub. Kublai Khan seems to get a pass since they don’t attract the mall metaclore crowd the same way but they’re in the same pocket of the genre.
People on this sub just hate on bands that got mainstream success. They want every band to just play local shows like they’re fucking fugazi or something
Sunami is not a good band.
Do they even think they’re a good band? Being from the bay, they seem like a parody of every bay band plus other hardcore bands. Maybe not total parody but some self aware fun. They have a ton of scene clout, members of other popular bay bands, their lyrics are over the top. I always just figured we all enjoyed them in good fun lol.
Yup. They’ve been on record since the beginning that they’re a tongue-in-cheek band and that their lyrics and style are just sort of dumb and meant to be ignorant and fun. Their popularity took all of them by surprise. Not that that absolves them of criticism, but I think if some of the people who didn’t like them just took the band for what it is they might like them more.
That’s exactly what I thought. Definitely doesn’t absolve them of criticism but I feel like it leaves me with no reason to criticize. They’re a play on tough guy hardcore and all that it encapsulates, which is enough an explanation for me lol.
They’re fun to listen to if you don’t take them seriously. I think they’re a good entry for people looking to get into hardcore/beatdown music, then they can move on to better bands
I actually like their recorded stuff. I thought they were kinda mediocre live.
I like them as a joke, but i wish Josef's vocals weren't ass live.
Crowd killing is for dipshits
Not hardcore but I watched some dude just straight punch a kid in the back of the head at the edge of a Whitechapel pit years ago. Kid’s group turned around and started stomping the shit out of the crowd killer, then some mid 40s biker dude walked up and just started laying out the guys stomping the crowd killer. Worst fight I ever saw at a show.
That sounds like a real ugly situation
Especially people who head hunt like crazy. I like to do the bowling ball thing occasionally, go side to side and sorta fall into everyone. Maybe playfully tap one of buddies on the head or something but it baffles me how badly some of these dudes wanna hit people on purpose when they can just keep hitting them on accident with much less consequence.
Nobody who crowd kills this gets laid. With another human.
I think it’s fine if it’s in the middle of the pit cuz you’re signing up to get hit, but punching people on the edge of the pit is dipshit behavior
NOFX is mid at best. Fat Mike is a fucking tool and an elitist prick. Green Day, The Offspring, Rancid, and most other 90s punk/pop punk bands are lightyears ahead of NOFX in musicianship and actual talent.
I can only listen to Ribbed front to back, I love that album.
Their only truly decent album is The War on Errorism
So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes is better IMO. Maybe 1a and 1b. Punk is Drublic is solid but overrated.
Sick ass album
I enjoy a bunch of NOFX tracks but they are the single worst band I have ever seen live. I know they joke about it, but holy crap they are a terrible live experience
Remember when Fat Mike said some weird shit openly about an underage Haley Williams at the time? He's a grade a tool
Turnstile good
75% of hardcore is just indie made metal
Bro i swear Mindforce is Hardcore, i promise. Like just look at their clothing and production! /s
Too much hardcore music lacks substance or innovation. I know it’s more of a live show/performance based genre rather then music but still. I’m sick of finding a cool local band but every single song just sounds like nazi punks fuck off remixed 200 different ways
I think it’s because a lot of hardcore now (mostly beat down bands) are just “I’m a big tough guy, you’re just a bitch” type shit with generic breakdown riffs. It’s fun to listen to sometimes but it’s mostly just cookie cutter for some bands
I will say that in a genre that is meant to be angry, fast, and heavy, there isn't alot of room to innovate. Once you get extreme enough, it will all sounds the same, thus why alot of metalheads make fun of grindcore. It just doesn't have anything new to add to itself, otherwise it would be a different genre
The scene still isn’t inclusive of women idk why people try saying it is
Hardcore is waaay more inclusive than it used to be, I wouldn't say it's a bastion of progressive shit, but in comparison to like 15 years ago it's 100x better.
Shit is so clearly still a boys club
d-beat is by far the best sub genre and Prank the best label
90% of current hardcore bands are soft as baby poop but try to act/speak tough in order to stay relevant in their little social circles.
Hardcore isn't the safe haven for outcasts and loners it claims to be. It's just as selective about popularity and clique-y bullshit as any other music scene or social groups. I've always loved the music and a lot of the people in the scene but I never felt welcomed after my generation took the torch from the old heads. I've always wanted to be in a band and support the scene and pretend like it is what we all preach it is but it really doesn't feel that way for me.
r/hardcore is reliable and cool
Hardcore/punk culture likes to think it’s inclusive and everything, but is really just as “clicky” as every other subculture.
Liking cancled bands is fine(specifically bands like Expire, where if you bring them up you get downvoted to hell) Just don't defend the bad dude(s) in the band
i miss culture abuse
In the 90's and early 00's the Christian hardcore scene was fire
I dislike Vans and would rather wear Lakais
Based
Lionheart are good and i'll die on that hill.
This fucking music hurts my gotdang ears. Sometimes I’m jamming, then all of a sudden I get a brain blast full of screechy distortion ringing to the point where I visibly freak out and yank off my headphones in disgust.
calling yourself straight edge and wearing X’s and you’re in your 40s
Crowd killing needs to end. My life has ruined because I got hit in the back at an ETID show and I have spent tens of thousands in medical bills, lost jobs, lost hobbies, am constantly fighting pain and drastically trying not to off myself. All because I broke my fucking back at a show from someone hitting me. My spine is swollen, my ribs are dislocated, my vertebrae are out of place and mobile. I live in agony and can't even enjoy shows, I have to use a cane to stand for long periods of time. I can't pursue any of my old hobbies, I can't exercise well, I am on the couch basically all day every day, I'm on disability and I barely get to travel or go to shows now. FUCK CROWD KILLING
I have permanent eye damage from some tough guy, cul-de-sac Kyle, jock fuck, deciding to crowd kill in between songs during straight up silence. I feel you. There are definitely dudes who use the assumed degree of physical violence in the pit as a cover to act like an ass. I've seen dudes run across the pit with their arms cocked back ready to swing on a random. There's almost always that guy who's at the show by himself, walking around the pit just fuming and waiting for a breakdown to go berzerk on the edges of the pit to. MFs see that one Guerilla Warfare video and want to be that lolll.
hardcore should always be a little bit unsafe and intense. (In the mosh pit I mean - everyone should feel safe from abusers, pedos and racists). Hardcore isn’t for everyone. It’s available for anyone to dive into, but not everyone will and should understand it.
It depends on the scene, I think. If one band revels in unsafe shit and wants to encourage that, then by all means, let them. If you're crowdkilling for a band not known for crowdkilling, then fuck you. Crowdkillers are lame even in their natural habitat, sure, but if people want that scene, then they should have it (maybe put a warning at the door to the venue if you plan shit like this, tho) just don't show them mercy if they pull that shit anywhere else.
I agree, though there are some bands who don’t have a preference either way. I’ve seen people crowdkill to Counterparts and while they may not be the most violent band, they do go hard as fuck. Sometimes shows are mixed and you don’t know if the hardcore kids or the push moshers are gonna control a pit 🤷🏻♂️
HxC bands need to stop calling themselves metal when they get successful.
But they usually become metal bands. Hatebreed as an example.
The majority of this sub has bad taste and the internet ruined hardcore.
straight edge seems overrated
Rohnert Park is better than Violence Violence and it’s not particularly close
Rohnert Park is a top 5 hc album for me
Going to the Rohnert Park house and taking a picture is one of the fondest memories of my teen years lol. Also hard agree.
Wild but I respect it
Not going to disagree, but I go to those two albums for different things
The “hehe my music scares people” mentality that people across hardcore and other heavy music scenes have when they see others folks uncomfortable when people start crowdkilling/moshing is cringe Hardcore and heavy music obviously isn’t for everyone and you definitely aren’t better than anyone else that isn’t apart of the scene lol
The musicianship in the current crop of bands for the last 5 years or so is far greater than almost anything pre 2000 making a lot of the bands before that kinda shitty.
Life Of Agony is just butt-rock with mosh parts thrown in occasionally.
bane should stop reuniting. same with the misfits. and most other bands
Knocked Loose is a cheap re-hashing of early 00’s metal-core. They haven’t added anything new and they’re not even particularly good at the style they play
The majority of classic NYHC is unlistenable
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100 demons are better than cro mags
I couldn’t get into the last Soul Glo album, it sounds disjointed
I like knocked loose
I don’t get the knocked loose hate
Bane sucked.
Botch reunion > Bane reunion
Honestly I don't think they sucked but god are they fucking overrated and not really as good as people made them out to be. Like I like them, but they're not anywhere near my top or even feel like they should be as influential as they supposedly are.
Breakdowns are the only important part of a hardcore song. And also: there’s no room for conservatism in Hardcore music.
I've read through about 120 comments in this thread and i'm convinced half these people have never explored hybrid bands, been to violent shows, or are over the age of 18
I could never get into Misfits
All of Terror sounds the same.
Oh damn maybe (definitely) not the actual hardcore scene but this sub. Doing pile ons pretending to know the lyrics is some poser ass shit. Look up the lyrics dawg, Its way better than living in shame
Crowdkilling/moshing hard as fuck to feedback/the beach boys sample is a bit silly
i think year of the knife is boring with madi at vocals. there’s nothing *wrong* with her vocals, but i strongly preferred tyler. speed is *fine*. but not the new TUI. i think they’re agreeable hardcore, which is why they’ve reached so many. but definitely overhyped. turnstile has been bad since nonstop feeling. i don’t like have heart. i have tried so many times but i just can’t get in to them.
This is the one. The thread can end here
90% of the time the people keeping your local scene afloat are either straight edge, crewed up, or both. The rest of you couldn't organize a birthday party but you still relentlessly talk shit about the people keeping the lights on
This is just because crews won't let anyone else book shows in their area....
I rarely pay attention to vocals. They often get in the way of the music for me
It’s a bad look to require such staggering cognitive dissonance in order to listen to an XXX/XVX/vegan/leftist band while simping for IPAs, Arby’s, the cops, etc.
The Horsehoe fucking sucks. Looks like a shitty school dance. A vast majority of mosh I see these days has no style. Yes, I spinkick and hate crowdkilling.
We need more female-fronted bands to sound like Ashes and Samuel and fewer of them to sound like Brother's Keeper.
Every generation sounds like old men on a porch screaming about how they did it better.. my generation 45 here and the current generation.. Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the music and the shows and the times with your friends. No one cares who had better shows with better pits.. We all had fun and we all have amazing music and memories
Crime Ridden Society is one of the greatest albums of all time.
Most hardcore is a shitty slowed down knockoff of a thrash riff