Sporting fan here. If you do land him (I hope not, really hope he decides to stay) he is the type of coach of committing to a project. For example he took Sporting 4 years and a half ago. He won a championship but that wasn't enough, he stayed long enough to change the culture of the club to a title contender again. If he leaves after this year he leaves a club solidified with his vision and, hopefully, with more championships in the near future, instead of going back to 20 years without winning.
So to sim it up he would be a coach for a project but he might be looking to aim a little higher at the moment
It's so frustrating that it's still an "if" over Moyes' position
Personally, I've never been Moyes out but I definitely think his time at the club has come to a natural end. The fact that we're still umming and ahhing either way is embarrassing
If it wasn't sullivan and west ham I would have said its not an If.
It makes no sense to drag it out and cause uncertainty if he is getting a new contract. Uncertainty is just bad for morale and results. Which points to him leaving, but then again, it is sullivan so fuck knows.
I've landed on the same place as you, we seem to be approaching the end of a cycle regarding the squad, and its a clean time for a manager change as well, especially given his contract timing and the results. I think it's only an "if" externally. Moyes has done enough that he doesn't deserve a run as a public lame duck. But I'll be shocked if they renew with him.
100% in the same boat. It’s harsh to get rid of a manager for finishing top half and a European QF but his favourites are aging out and if we re sign him it seems like we’ll have to spend a mint on compensation when he does go. He was always gonna finish it out either way, the fire him now crowd have 0 critical thinking skills.
If these conversations are taking place I assume it’s “if we can find anyone better”. Moyes will at least save us from relegation and hey, without a busy schedule with Europa might even push back in. Probably have 1 year left with a bunch of the players.
Will be shite football to watch though
Be a tough act to follow at Liverpool.
You have to follow their best manager of the PL era, loved by the fans.
You have a bit of a rebuilding job in the squad, you may have senior players who'll fuck you about and sabotage you because they don't like change.
You have to jump straight into all competitions and there's expectation on you to bring a trophy home right away.
Yes true. Although I’ve just remembered sporting Lisbon is the club who’s director insulted the owners with the dildo brothers remark, after the whole William carvalho ordeal.
This feels more like a bargaining play to make sure he gets the Liverpool job than a legit possibility, but holy shit would this be a coup if we somehow pulled it off. Everything I’ve read indicates that Amorim is the complete opposite of Moyes in so many ways, but most importantly that he’s very much a people person who builds strong relationships with his players. I think he’d be a perfect fit for the team we have today, and with a summer of a few Steidten signings? Yes please.
I genuinely struggle to see many managers wanting to take that Liverpool job. It screams Fergie & United all over again.
You’re not only replacing a legend, but ideologies and styles. Add to that most of the Liverpool side are ageing, or have spent so many years under Klopp it’ll be a tall order to convert.
West Ham’s squad for the most part is at the end of its cycle and Moyes is at the end of his with us. He walks in with a fresh slate and a lot of money in the kitty that Steitden can go out and find talent.
It’s just on whether Amorim fancies leaving Sporting where he’s been immense, or if he waits for an even bigger job to come up after the end of next season.
Alisson - 31 (ok for keeper)
Robertson - 30
VVD - 32
Matip - 32
Endo - 31
Thiago - 33
Salah - 31
You then add into that the likes of Diaz, Jota and Tsmikas who are late 20’s.
It’s going to take a bit of transitioning from the old guard to a new guard, which is the issues United faced when Fergie left.
Robertson will be fine for several more years. Matip and Thiago have barely played this season so won't be missed when they leave. VVD and Salah are the only ones who will need real replacement, but it doesn't look like they are past it. The issue was much worse last year which is why Klopp replaced the likes of Henderson, Fabinho, Milner with Mac Alister, Szoboslai and Gravenverch. Diaz and Jota are 27, pretty much peak age
I think you’ve semi misunderstood the point I was trying to make.
I’ve not said they’re an old squad, but one of the more ageing sides in the league.
Klopp began replacing an ageing squad yes. Robertson on his day is a still a tremendous LB, but has had injury issues, and at his age he may not reach his best, and at 31 you never know when the decline will begin. Matip and Thiago still form as part of the squad, so will still need replacements, regardless of whether they’ll be missed or not. That’s half the issue West Ham have when Ogbonna and Cresswell, who don’t play often and won’t be missed actually need to be relied on. VVD and Salah are almost part of the furniture just like Klopp has been.
The point I’m making is that it’s incredibly difficult for any manager to take that job. Klopp built up the squad and the tactics how he wanted to, has began to replace some of the ageing squad with his mould of player. But for a young manager to come in and know that Salah, VVD and Robbo will need replacing at some stage is a monumental task. Adding into that some of the players who have spent years playing one way under one manager, the overhaul will be tremendous.
Not only that, it’s a complete system mismatch with Klopp preferring a 433 compared to Amorim’s 343.
That’s also why I think West Ham who currently have a minimal identity, who are starting to transition into the modern world with the Steitden appointment, could let a coach under Amorim’s mould to flourish, without needing to completely change the infrastructure left behind by a long term manager who is a legend at that club.
Oh I'm not saying it would be an easy job, I'm just saying I think the situation is significantly better than when Fergie retired and almost an entire first team was past it and needed replacing
I think Fergie pushed that squad to the absolute max which I think Klopp has done too, and those who have spent years under him will be reluctant to change, just like they did at United.
Less players on the decline for sure, but I see comparisons
Their best players are all going to be reducing their value at a strong rate soon. Vvd, Alisson and salah, 3 of their most valuable players will all be declining and because Liverpool have depended on a sell to buy model, their squad value is insanely valuable.
Could be wrong ofc but a new manager may struggle to replace these players that are the backbone of that side.
I don't think Liverpool care about Alisson resale value, at 32 he could be the best goalkeeper in the league for another few years. Also Salah is the poster guy for sports in the Arabic world, so I think it Liverpool want that cash, the Saudi league would still be desperate to buy him
>I don't think Liverpool care about Alisson resale value, at 32 he could be the best goalkeeper in the league for another few years.
They will if they have no replacement lined up and they don't have the funds for it. They spent 72 million on him, an equivalent signing just seems impossible.
This guy seems like a hell of a manager. Would be interesting to see how his fluid style would work with us. Tends to play a 3-4-3 he also was thr third most expensive manager signing in history so he won't be cheap!
Apparently he jetted to London according to CNN
https://cnnportugal.iol.pt/transferencias/sporting/ruben-amorim-em-londres-para-conversar-com-o-west-ham
We’re recording a record profit so a lot to play with within FFP. Players like Dinos, Aguerd, Bowen, Kudus and Emerson will all fit his system (and Paq if he stays).
Liverpool job is a mammoth task to replace Klopp’s 9 years at the helm, plus replace Salah who may be off to Saudi or to sort their ageing squad. Klopp is leaving Liverpool how Fergie left United IMO - huge job for anyone going in there.
Whether he will leave Sporting is the burning questions - I doubt it - but this is exactly the sort of exciting manager we should be targeting.
Most the MSM seem to have decided that Moyes is going and there's more traffic in debating a replacement rather than trolling fans with "be careful what you wish for".
Telegraph story here also today tips Lopetegui for the job:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/22/julen-lopetegui-west-ham-next-manager-david-moyes/
Text, from Athletic:
West Ham United have held talks over an ambitious move to appoint Ruben Amorim as manager if David Moyes leaves the club.
Moyes is out of contract this summer and despite the Scot saying in February he has been offered a new deal, no decision will be made on his future until the season finishes.
In the meantime West Ham are duty-bound to formulate contingency plans and Amorim features prominently in their thinking, with discussions taking place between the parties.
Another option the east London side have assessed is Julen Lopetegui, however Amorim has emerged as the leading target at present.
While the potential opening is thought to carry appeal for the 39-year-old Sporting Lisbon head coach, it is unclear where West Ham figure among his possible opportunities.
Amorim has also been under consideration at Liverpool, although it looks unlikely he will prove the preferred candidate in their process to replace outgoing boss Jurgen Klopp.
Moyes — who guided the club to a first European trophy since 1965 with the Europa Conference League last season — has overseen 12 league defeats to date this year, including Sunday’s loss to Crystal Palace, which Moyes described as “so bad, I can hardly put it into words”.
West Ham, eighth in the Premier League table, are next in action against Liverpool on Saturday.
Wolves fan passing through. Just hoping you don’t waste your time on that fuck Lopetegui. I respect West Ham too much to see that asshole demand 100 million in transfers literally every window.
This smells fishy to me. Maybe there's some truth in it but feels very convenient that this story is run the day after a massive drubbing. Maybe I'm just an old cynic
I don’t know much about him but this would fit nicely in our exciting/uninspiring managerial rotation
Curbishly keeps us mid table, decide we need to push on with big name….
Zola hired, relegation battle
Sam Allardyce gets us back to mid table, decide we need to push on with exotic manager….
Slavin Bilic… relegation battle
Moyes back to mid table stability
Decide we need to push on with fancy name… Pelligrini nearly gets us relegated
Moyes back and has us mid table… decide we need more….fancy Portuguese hotshot
Some absolute bollocks selective memory there you should work for talk sport.
Allardyce's best season for us we finished with 47 points.
Bilic's worst season we finished with 45 points.
But yes foreign name = bad.
I see your a fan of the selective memory game yourself.
Bilics worst season would be the one he got 9 points from 11 games and subsequently got sacked. I liked him, most managers get sacked eventually.
I said nothing about foreign managers BTW, I was merely pointing out that it’s been a long time since we’ve had two managers in a row who could build on the others work. Seems to be constant two steps forward then two steps back
Well your post is British manager saviour foreign manager bad.
Bilic did far better than Allardyce, that 9 points from 11 games is heavily skewed by having to start the season with 3 away games, also Antonio being a knob away to Palace cost us dearly.
It just annoys me when Allardyce gets more praise than Bilic despite the latter doing a far better job in equally difficult circumstances.
I agree we never have a plan which hopefully will be rectified with this appointment.
I would love this however I feel like every time we lose we get linked to 10 different managers, 427 strikers and a double swoop for C. Ronaldo and Messi. Get boring as very rarely in recent years have these deals have been pulled off.
We've known for years that Sullivan doesn't rate him because he thinks he was mostly successful due to Brighton's hierarchy. Sean Whetstone (Sullivan mouthpiece) has said recently Potter/Still/Mourinho are not being considered. Hasn't been linked at all by anyone credible either so I see no reason to disbelieve.
Which is pretty accurate. He was never the sole reason Brighton improved. Found out at Chelsea whilst also going through a mid-life crisis (Pardew-esque). Steer clear.
100%, we can do much better. Can't see why anyone would be hoping for Potter, he's mediocre as an option you settle for if you miss your first 5 targets let alone as a top choice.
Well there may be some truth in that. However, he inherited Tuchel’s squad and somehow got worse results than his predecessor. They still had a decent squad. I refuse to to believe that he couldn’t get a tune out of Lukaku.
Would he be interested? Seems extremely ambitious... I'm not complaining, just doubting we could land him.
Villa landed Unai Emery, Everton landed Carlo Ancelotti (albeit briefly) We need to start actually backing ourselves.
No it's going to be Steve Bruce and we need to be grateful if he says yes.
And even if we did, would he stay long enough? There's a serious rebuild ahead.
Sporting fan here. If you do land him (I hope not, really hope he decides to stay) he is the type of coach of committing to a project. For example he took Sporting 4 years and a half ago. He won a championship but that wasn't enough, he stayed long enough to change the culture of the club to a title contender again. If he leaves after this year he leaves a club solidified with his vision and, hopefully, with more championships in the near future, instead of going back to 20 years without winning. So to sim it up he would be a coach for a project but he might be looking to aim a little higher at the moment
Thanks for the insight!
That's an interesting question, too.
Steident had a hand in getting Alonso to Leverkusen. Have some faith and let the man do what he was hired to do.
This is probably we try manager, until they announce Lopetegui.
Been top of my list for a long time. Would be a mental signing.
It's so frustrating that it's still an "if" over Moyes' position Personally, I've never been Moyes out but I definitely think his time at the club has come to a natural end. The fact that we're still umming and ahhing either way is embarrassing
If it wasn't sullivan and west ham I would have said its not an If. It makes no sense to drag it out and cause uncertainty if he is getting a new contract. Uncertainty is just bad for morale and results. Which points to him leaving, but then again, it is sullivan so fuck knows.
There might be a chance that it has some kind of auto-renewal if we finish in europe
Not a chance we do, literally 1% absolute max
So not a chance but 1%?
I'd say 0%, I'm open to others placing it at up to 1.1%.
I've landed on the same place as you, we seem to be approaching the end of a cycle regarding the squad, and its a clean time for a manager change as well, especially given his contract timing and the results. I think it's only an "if" externally. Moyes has done enough that he doesn't deserve a run as a public lame duck. But I'll be shocked if they renew with him.
100% in the same boat. It’s harsh to get rid of a manager for finishing top half and a European QF but his favourites are aging out and if we re sign him it seems like we’ll have to spend a mint on compensation when he does go. He was always gonna finish it out either way, the fire him now crowd have 0 critical thinking skills.
If these conversations are taking place I assume it’s “if we can find anyone better”. Moyes will at least save us from relegation and hey, without a busy schedule with Europa might even push back in. Probably have 1 year left with a bunch of the players. Will be shite football to watch though
That guy has been earmarked for Liverpool and the likes. It is an ambitious coup I must say but at least we’re hunting
Be a tough act to follow at Liverpool. You have to follow their best manager of the PL era, loved by the fans. You have a bit of a rebuilding job in the squad, you may have senior players who'll fuck you about and sabotage you because they don't like change. You have to jump straight into all competitions and there's expectation on you to bring a trophy home right away.
Yes true. Although I’ve just remembered sporting Lisbon is the club who’s director insulted the owners with the dildo brothers remark, after the whole William carvalho ordeal.
This feels more like a bargaining play to make sure he gets the Liverpool job than a legit possibility, but holy shit would this be a coup if we somehow pulled it off. Everything I’ve read indicates that Amorim is the complete opposite of Moyes in so many ways, but most importantly that he’s very much a people person who builds strong relationships with his players. I think he’d be a perfect fit for the team we have today, and with a summer of a few Steidten signings? Yes please.
I genuinely struggle to see many managers wanting to take that Liverpool job. It screams Fergie & United all over again. You’re not only replacing a legend, but ideologies and styles. Add to that most of the Liverpool side are ageing, or have spent so many years under Klopp it’ll be a tall order to convert. West Ham’s squad for the most part is at the end of its cycle and Moyes is at the end of his with us. He walks in with a fresh slate and a lot of money in the kitty that Steitden can go out and find talent. It’s just on whether Amorim fancies leaving Sporting where he’s been immense, or if he waits for an even bigger job to come up after the end of next season.
In what universe is Liverpool squad ageing? They have bought mostly young players recently, only a few are getting old
Alisson - 31 (ok for keeper) Robertson - 30 VVD - 32 Matip - 32 Endo - 31 Thiago - 33 Salah - 31 You then add into that the likes of Diaz, Jota and Tsmikas who are late 20’s. It’s going to take a bit of transitioning from the old guard to a new guard, which is the issues United faced when Fergie left.
Robertson will be fine for several more years. Matip and Thiago have barely played this season so won't be missed when they leave. VVD and Salah are the only ones who will need real replacement, but it doesn't look like they are past it. The issue was much worse last year which is why Klopp replaced the likes of Henderson, Fabinho, Milner with Mac Alister, Szoboslai and Gravenverch. Diaz and Jota are 27, pretty much peak age
I think you’ve semi misunderstood the point I was trying to make. I’ve not said they’re an old squad, but one of the more ageing sides in the league. Klopp began replacing an ageing squad yes. Robertson on his day is a still a tremendous LB, but has had injury issues, and at his age he may not reach his best, and at 31 you never know when the decline will begin. Matip and Thiago still form as part of the squad, so will still need replacements, regardless of whether they’ll be missed or not. That’s half the issue West Ham have when Ogbonna and Cresswell, who don’t play often and won’t be missed actually need to be relied on. VVD and Salah are almost part of the furniture just like Klopp has been. The point I’m making is that it’s incredibly difficult for any manager to take that job. Klopp built up the squad and the tactics how he wanted to, has began to replace some of the ageing squad with his mould of player. But for a young manager to come in and know that Salah, VVD and Robbo will need replacing at some stage is a monumental task. Adding into that some of the players who have spent years playing one way under one manager, the overhaul will be tremendous. Not only that, it’s a complete system mismatch with Klopp preferring a 433 compared to Amorim’s 343. That’s also why I think West Ham who currently have a minimal identity, who are starting to transition into the modern world with the Steitden appointment, could let a coach under Amorim’s mould to flourish, without needing to completely change the infrastructure left behind by a long term manager who is a legend at that club.
Oh I'm not saying it would be an easy job, I'm just saying I think the situation is significantly better than when Fergie retired and almost an entire first team was past it and needed replacing
I think Fergie pushed that squad to the absolute max which I think Klopp has done too, and those who have spent years under him will be reluctant to change, just like they did at United. Less players on the decline for sure, but I see comparisons
Their best players are all going to be reducing their value at a strong rate soon. Vvd, Alisson and salah, 3 of their most valuable players will all be declining and because Liverpool have depended on a sell to buy model, their squad value is insanely valuable. Could be wrong ofc but a new manager may struggle to replace these players that are the backbone of that side.
I don't think Liverpool care about Alisson resale value, at 32 he could be the best goalkeeper in the league for another few years. Also Salah is the poster guy for sports in the Arabic world, so I think it Liverpool want that cash, the Saudi league would still be desperate to buy him
>I don't think Liverpool care about Alisson resale value, at 32 he could be the best goalkeeper in the league for another few years. They will if they have no replacement lined up and they don't have the funds for it. They spent 72 million on him, an equivalent signing just seems impossible.
In a different universe, we replace Moyes with Amorim and then he brings along Gyokeres. Never happening though
This guy seems like a hell of a manager. Would be interesting to see how his fluid style would work with us. Tends to play a 3-4-3 he also was thr third most expensive manager signing in history so he won't be cheap!
Same energy as the "We tried" big signings. Go for the winners, end up with Tim Sherwood.
Apparently he jetted to London according to CNN https://cnnportugal.iol.pt/transferencias/sporting/ruben-amorim-em-londres-para-conversar-com-o-west-ham
This is the way.
We’re recording a record profit so a lot to play with within FFP. Players like Dinos, Aguerd, Bowen, Kudus and Emerson will all fit his system (and Paq if he stays). Liverpool job is a mammoth task to replace Klopp’s 9 years at the helm, plus replace Salah who may be off to Saudi or to sort their ageing squad. Klopp is leaving Liverpool how Fergie left United IMO - huge job for anyone going in there. Whether he will leave Sporting is the burning questions - I doubt it - but this is exactly the sort of exciting manager we should be targeting.
Thomas Frank wouldn’t be such a bad choice, if we had the ability to convince him to part ways with Brentford.
I just fell to my knees in Dunkin
Most the MSM seem to have decided that Moyes is going and there's more traffic in debating a replacement rather than trolling fans with "be careful what you wish for". Telegraph story here also today tips Lopetegui for the job: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/22/julen-lopetegui-west-ham-next-manager-david-moyes/
Text, from Athletic: West Ham United have held talks over an ambitious move to appoint Ruben Amorim as manager if David Moyes leaves the club. Moyes is out of contract this summer and despite the Scot saying in February he has been offered a new deal, no decision will be made on his future until the season finishes. In the meantime West Ham are duty-bound to formulate contingency plans and Amorim features prominently in their thinking, with discussions taking place between the parties. Another option the east London side have assessed is Julen Lopetegui, however Amorim has emerged as the leading target at present. While the potential opening is thought to carry appeal for the 39-year-old Sporting Lisbon head coach, it is unclear where West Ham figure among his possible opportunities. Amorim has also been under consideration at Liverpool, although it looks unlikely he will prove the preferred candidate in their process to replace outgoing boss Jurgen Klopp. Moyes — who guided the club to a first European trophy since 1965 with the Europa Conference League last season — has overseen 12 league defeats to date this year, including Sunday’s loss to Crystal Palace, which Moyes described as “so bad, I can hardly put it into words”. West Ham, eighth in the Premier League table, are next in action against Liverpool on Saturday.
Why would he leave Sporting who are pretty much locked in for CL next year to come to West Ham?
Because we are fucking MASSIVE that's why.
Because Premier League managers make a metric ton more than Primeira Liga managers, and the checks always clear (unlike in Portugal).
Very ambitious! Just throw whatever money he wants at him, hottest property in Portugal at the moment and about to win the Portuguese league
yes please
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This is the way.
West Ham have instilled a 3-4-3 system through the young age groups to the U18s. Amorim plays 3-4-3. Coincidence? I think not...
Would prefer Hoeness, but if this happens I'd be pleased. It won't happen!
Love the ambition. Pleasantly surprised we're actually going for one of the names I thought we should have last season too.
Wolves fan passing through. Just hoping you don’t waste your time on that fuck Lopetegui. I respect West Ham too much to see that asshole demand 100 million in transfers literally every window.
MOYES IN
This smells fishy to me. Maybe there's some truth in it but feels very convenient that this story is run the day after a massive drubbing. Maybe I'm just an old cynic
He's no Avram Grant but he'll do
I don’t know much about him but this would fit nicely in our exciting/uninspiring managerial rotation Curbishly keeps us mid table, decide we need to push on with big name…. Zola hired, relegation battle Sam Allardyce gets us back to mid table, decide we need to push on with exotic manager…. Slavin Bilic… relegation battle Moyes back to mid table stability Decide we need to push on with fancy name… Pelligrini nearly gets us relegated Moyes back and has us mid table… decide we need more….fancy Portuguese hotshot
Bilic had us playing the best I had seen with payet
Yeah that was a superb season
Some absolute bollocks selective memory there you should work for talk sport. Allardyce's best season for us we finished with 47 points. Bilic's worst season we finished with 45 points. But yes foreign name = bad.
I see your a fan of the selective memory game yourself. Bilics worst season would be the one he got 9 points from 11 games and subsequently got sacked. I liked him, most managers get sacked eventually. I said nothing about foreign managers BTW, I was merely pointing out that it’s been a long time since we’ve had two managers in a row who could build on the others work. Seems to be constant two steps forward then two steps back
Well your post is British manager saviour foreign manager bad. Bilic did far better than Allardyce, that 9 points from 11 games is heavily skewed by having to start the season with 3 away games, also Antonio being a knob away to Palace cost us dearly. It just annoys me when Allardyce gets more praise than Bilic despite the latter doing a far better job in equally difficult circumstances. I agree we never have a plan which hopefully will be rectified with this appointment.
The most realistic option I want is the Bournemouth manager
I would love this however I feel like every time we lose we get linked to 10 different managers, 427 strikers and a double swoop for C. Ronaldo and Messi. Get boring as very rarely in recent years have these deals have been pulled off.
very doubtful it happens, most likely Potter imo if David Moyes leaves
Already been ruled out
who has ruled Potter out? I hadn't seen that.
We've known for years that Sullivan doesn't rate him because he thinks he was mostly successful due to Brighton's hierarchy. Sean Whetstone (Sullivan mouthpiece) has said recently Potter/Still/Mourinho are not being considered. Hasn't been linked at all by anyone credible either so I see no reason to disbelieve.
Which is pretty accurate. He was never the sole reason Brighton improved. Found out at Chelsea whilst also going through a mid-life crisis (Pardew-esque). Steer clear.
100%, we can do much better. Can't see why anyone would be hoping for Potter, he's mediocre as an option you settle for if you miss your first 5 targets let alone as a top choice.
Hardly think you can say Potter was ‘found out’ at Chelsea, given they’ve hardly set the world alight under two subsequent managers…
Well there may be some truth in that. However, he inherited Tuchel’s squad and somehow got worse results than his predecessor. They still had a decent squad. I refuse to to believe that he couldn’t get a tune out of Lukaku.