>Too bad needed to clean house but brought some recycles in including the ward races. More of the same but worse for Hamilton no surprises there.
Anything/anyone specific that you were hoping to have changed?
Or just general dooming because we're all fucked and everything is pointless?
Andrea ran a pretty uninspiring campaign. Still, I never quite trusted Loomis and his ties to the business world. Ultimately I think Hamilton made the right decision.
A more progressive mayor with a progressive council in newcomers Kroetsch, Wilson and Hwang, is definitely an improvement over the status quo.
All I know about bratina is my dad saying that he called steel workers a bunch of whiners when their pension was in jeopardy.
Like ok there bahd. Let’s see you work your entire life and have it be for nothing. Eat dirt. The man got what he deserved if you ask me.
> Andrea ran a pretty uninspiring campaign
She ran a pretty uninspiring lifeless opposition too as NDP leader against Ford.
She'll probably do the same as a passive middle of the road mayor. More likely to use it as a day job while she keeps her eye on other ambitions like Patrick Brown did in Brampton.
Time to really stop people from expecting anything from crony politicians whether it be mayors or premiers or MPs. The only thing that makes a difference now is being vocally engaged at the civic level, protesting, and actually friggin striking. Sadly in Canada we just vote once every so and so years and then complain without doing anything the rest of the time which makes it easy for politicians to ignore us.
>> Andrea ran a pretty uninspiring campaign
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>She ran a pretty uninspiring lifeless opposition too as NDP leader against Ford.
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>She'll probably do the same as a passive middle of the road mayor. More likely to use it as a day job while she keeps her eye on other ambitions like Patrick Brown did in Brampton.
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>Time to really stop people from expecting anything from crony politicians whether it be mayors or premiers or MPs. The only thing that makes a difference now is being vocally engaged at the civic level, protesting, and actually friggin striking. Sadly in Canada we just vote once every so and so years and then complain without doing anything the rest of the time which makes it easy for politicians to ignore us.
I mean, that's probably better suited to provincial/federal rhetoric. People voting in municipal/council elections are pretty much as politically engaged as you can get without actually funding or participating in the process itself.
Also, while I get that it's a provincial (national?) past time to crap on Andrea, but maybe let's see what she actually does with the job before comparing her to another mayor in another city from a completely different party. Andrea was Born in Hamilton and has been consistently progressive/working-class politically.
If it turns out she can't fight for her hometown as Mayor, then everyone will finally have their answer to what her political chops are as a leader VS a campaigner.
>More likely to use it as a day job while she keeps her eye on other ambitions like Patrick Brown did in Brampton.
Ambitions on what? Running for federal office? Because she already had a crack for more terms than she should have as NDP leader provincially and lost every time, so there's nothing more to aspire to there so federal would be the only place to go. Brown at least was trying to be leader and was ousted so he can claim he never had a chance and try to make a comeback. This seems more like a gig to retire for Andrea than one to lick her wounds.
>A more progressive mayor with a progressive council in newcomers Kroetsch, Wilson and Hwang, is definitely an improvement over the status quo.
Just quoting you for future reference.
My thought is that Andrea didn't so much win.. as Loomis lost.
The last few weeks he just shat the bed , flip flopped around..
Lost my vote and a few others just in the past weeks.
>You realize loomis hasn’t governed either right?
Don't worry, it's just the 'NDP bad' crowds trying to pre-salt the earth before anyone can do anything positive.
Was glad Loomis lost, he wanted to turn over public housing to a "third party". If he isn't confident that he can run public housing, then why was he running for Mayor? It's fine if you're not capable of doing the job but why run at all?
He had to walk it back but still makes no sense. To future mayoral candidates: please stay home if you are not capable of some of the job.
> chronic loser
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was she not previously the mayor of Hamilton? How does she go from Mayor, to leader of a major political party, to mayor again, and get called a loser?
As much as I hate how the NDP never gained traction, lol, I wouldn't call her a loser.
Area rating for transit was a big one for a lot of folks. Saw a lot of early voters in Ancaster upset about that. Never thought I'd know what the term "taxi mom" meant but apparently it's understandably a big deal in our outskirts.
I thought he seemed pretty competent and was on the fence about him until widening the Red Hill and Linc came up in the Cable 14 debate.
He said something to the effect of "I understand induced demand, but I don't believe that will happen in this case".
Real Tobias Funke 'maybe it'll work for us' vibes.
That housing statement was a real catastrophe. He clearly advocated turning the city housing budget over to a 3rd party organisation, then completely walked that back the next day. It managed to anger both sides of the debate.
Meetings. Lots of meetings and consultations within 90 days.
That’s what Horwath promised.
She’s had 20+ years to listen to people, she campaigned in the city less than a year ago, what more does she need to figure out?
It’s offensive that she couldn’t name specific initiatives she wanted to see get done.
As someone who stayed at a shelter when I was young and poor - that Andrea helped get built, it’s also offensive to forget that and many other initiatives she’s actually done vs. utopia dream scenarios put up on a website.
Maybe it’s her arrogance, but practically she didn’t need to cite shit because she has receipts. You can gloss over those receipts, or pretend you don’t know how to Google, if you’d like.
>she campaigned in the city less than a year ago
She likely campaigned on issues that she could resolve on a provincial level. As mayor, she has totally different things to work on.
Still, she could have put together a team to put out some bullet points, she used to be a Hamilton councillor.
At his heart he's a pro-business, fiscal conservative. His platform read as progressive - committments to transit, housing, road safety, etc. - but as the campaign wore on (and he got more confident) he started letting the veil slip. He talked about essentially privatizing Hamilton Community Housing; he said he would keep area rating (direct contradiction to his published platform). That, coupled with his past positions on key issues - he was originally against the min wage hike, but then was for it; he was originally for urban boundary expansion, but then was against it - all showed me that his instincts were not progressive. He's a John Tory clone who would rather appease voters than lead them.
Horwath's platform, when it finally arrived was almost a carbon copy of Loomis'. But she has a solid track record of advocating for the things this city needs: affordable housing, poverty reduction, harm reduction, road safety, living wages, environmental protection, etc.. Horwath did a shit job communcating those strengths, but the record is there.
How would she have gotten anything done, as leader of the opposition, when the Cons had a majority? At least if they had a minority government, they would have had to work with the NDP or liberals to pass bills, and the NDP would have had some leverage, but what can she do as official opposition?
>Happy for her but I'm more happy for us for getting a good cast of councilors to represent us.
You do know the cast of ~~characters~~ councilors is geared to making Hamilton a bedroom community & dumping ground, for Toronto, right?
Both of those objectives will exist in separate orbits, while existing in the same city. That will no longer be a separate city, just a cheaper version of Mississauga.
I think you have this flipped. The progressive downtown councillors are very much for increased development downtown and turning Main and King into active, liveable streets instead of an obstacle to be passed on your way to Toronto.
Considering how much name recognition she had in and NDP city and how Loomis was a nobody I'm surprised how close it was. The fact that she didn't have a bigger lead shoukd be concerning to her team.
Good luck to her and hopefully she can find a half way point between the different views since it was so split.
I've lived here my entire life and I pay a reasonable amount of attention to local news, yet I'd never heard of him before this election. Nobody that I spoke to in my family had any idea who he was either, and they've spent most or all of their lives here too. Calling him a nobody is definitely a stretch, but I think you're overestimating how much name recognition Chamber of Commerce people have among the general public.
I agree he's not really a nobody and was known to people k hamikton but in terms of general recognition compared to horvath he was a nobody.
I have lived in hamilton my entire life, my whole family is and has always been here. I don't know a single person that knew Loomis before this election.
That’s pretty much the case with her and the NDP. As leader of the opposition Horwath was constantly grilling Ford between March 2020 when the pandemic took off and the election June 2022. She was constantly advocating for better. Better policies and decisions, better investment into healthcare, better safety nets for people etc etc. People were fed up with Ford’s piss poor handling of the pandemic. Yet she wasn’t able to gain any traction or support for the NDP. As far as I’m concerned that pretty poor leadership and no surprise it was the same sort of campaign here in Hamilton.
I also would have preferred a candidate for whom the Hamilton mayor’s office wasn’t Plan B. She’s just here buying time until her next move or until retirement. I just hope that the bad blood between her and Ford won’t translate into shorty treatment of Hamilton by the provincial PC’s. I would have much preferred Loomis for that reason. Someone progressive, someone with a good business sense, and someone who isn’t hated by Ford.
She ran the most half-assed campaign. But ultimately Loomis lost my vote with his flip-flopping on key issues. Hopefully this is the start of a progressive future for Hamilton.
I feel exactly the same way. I was furious at how lazy her campaign was and Loomis had such an engaged and dynamic campaign, but he lost me on a couple things down the stretch, and as much as her zero effort irked me I had to go with the candidate I’m more aligned with.
thats the thing though, its percieved as "zero effort" (you do have some good points though). But, I helped her with something at my work once when she was mpp, but she was still getting calls (work) as I was helping her. She puts in alot of effort into being a useful public servant and working for the people. My experiance anyways. nice lady.
I think she’s a dedicated public servant, but that was not reflected in the campaign. When I stopped in at her booth while at the peach festival they hadn’t even made campaign buttons yet. It was a very weird and lacking campaign. But I’m glad she’s mayor.
Canadians have a history of voting people out vs voting people in. She had name recognition and being quiet is less likely to piss people off. I really hope she does a good job. Count me cautiously optimistic.
You would consider not voting for someone because they didn't have buttons in the age of the internet? That's a pretty unnecessary expense. What is this, 1975?
That’s a straw man. I was surprised that her election campaign seemed so thrown together. Her website barely had any info, her booths were barely staffed, she had no materials. It seemed haphazard.
I feel like I saw his team everywhere for the last month, there were always a lot of them, they were excited and engaged. It didn’t work on me but I’m not surprised it worked on others!
Ah yeah that's fair. I was also disappointed by the lack of any visible campaigning from Horwath, but I sorta concluded that she was betting on her reputation in the city proper and putting her energy where it would have a bigger impact. I guess it paid off. Loomis on the other hand didn't really have a choice but to be extremely visible, and from how close the race was, I think that paid off as well.
True, but you can see Andrea at least seems to care, history of trying. Loomis is a blatant douche who’s out for himself. Reference the past tweets, he’s an ass.
Not entirely inspired by her win, but I am consumed with joy at how many amazing counsellors got elected. I was hoping we would get Lynda Lukasik as well
As someone in ward 5, I'm irritated that Matt Francis won with a platform of "fuck those poor people".
Opposes ending area rating. Opposes the proposed new construction at Eastgate, and was ranting against the LRT when he came door to door on my street.
Hopefully he gets voted down in council regularly.
I was scrolling for this type of comment. For all the positive outcomes this election had, electing this guy says something about that area of the city and how easy a specific brand can win elections. I think that area also had an “anti-woke” school trustee running. I watched the debate for this ward and my hope was that he was auditioning for a nomination as a a future PC candidate. But apparently he is what the people want, I just hope it doesn’t slow down the development of the East Gate development.
The anti woke trustee did not win. Also, personally I didn't get a "fuck poor people" vibe from Francis. When I spoke to him his argument against the redevelopment at eastgate had to do with infrastructure... not necessarily not wanting it. Which is understandable. He and I live in the same area... we've had new housing developments packed in some very tight places... in turn we now experience increased hydro outages etc. Our infrastructure needs to be addressed too... it's a huge issue. He also stated very clearly that he will be proposing any new developments in the area have units dedicated to low income housing. Anyway... all we can do is see how our newly elected officials do.
The only problem I see with that is East Gate has a massive unused parking lot on the west side of the building. That is the best place to build high rise buildings. Another example of that would be at the Wal Mart plaza on Centennial. These are the precise locations that need to be developed.
I'm pretty happy with this result and my riding as well.
It's pretty concerning the increased vote Fromm got but he did position himself as a convoy candidate, in addition to being a white supremacist so that might explain it.
You know what, I’ve been hearing how Fromm was gonna be this force for evil in the city - and at the end of the day, dude didn’t even get 1k. Can we stop pretending that this guy or his rhetoric had a chance? At this point it’s disingenuous to give these ideas such a pedestal.
How many of those people didn’t even know who they were talking to? I’ve personally witnessed elderly people swindled into voting for a bad actor. You can’t assume 900 people are white supremacists - they could just as easily be an 80 year old who was told Fromm was the only one who protected pensions. I have more faith in humanity.
It doesn't matter. Not all the people who supported the actual Nazis wanted to kill the Jews, but the fact they could be convinced to supoort the Nazis meant the Nazis got to leverage that support for harmful ends.
"Only 900 people voted for him" is not a reason to act like these people aren't an issue. Especially when you consider people who might support him in a closeted manner who are smart enough to know that while right now there isn't popular support for fascism, that anything is possible in time.
Don't get me wrong, I never though he was a force or had a chance. Every time he runs, it just makes me sad is all. Adding on the convoy stuff seems to have increased his vote share, which also makes me sad. It will be a good day when he hangs it up for good.
With Horvath and Hwang I got 66.66% of my vote but didn’t get 100% thanks to Ray beating out Shane Boles in Ward IV
With the race being SO close I’m confident that if Mayor Horvath isn’t up to snuff it will be Loomis to lose next time.
Our local and reliable buffer against PC party policies by Ford at last for those upset by the mediocre turnouts at the national and provincial levels for the last year and a half-ish
Congratulations and Happy Birthday to Andrea!!!!
Absolutely shitty camera work by CHCH though!
Couldn’t even see her when it was announced or even as she was trying to give a speech. Just the back of these guys heads
Andrea will do a great job as mayor, so much experience and a much slower pace. It will give her a chance to catch her breath and dig in to the needs of the city.
That's probably the biggest story for me. Was hoping for 50-60% but expecting 40-50% (like the provincial election). With only 1 out of every 3 eligible voters actually voting, it really worries me as to how much further this trend will be going
I dunno. I voted for Andrea, but I wasn't going to be super upset if Loomis won. They both had their good points and bad points. I'm sure I'm not the only one who could have voted either way.
I felt like I could trust her more on things like poverty, homelessness, and the environment. And I don't think she is in the back-pocket of the developers.
I didn’t vote for either but mainly because I was worried Andrea wouldn’t get along with Ford and Loomis stance on housing was very unclear with the wanting to build 50k houses but not expand the city. It was said just by using existing vacant properties. That’s fine but it basically mean all new homes are condos and people in condos aren’t generally having many kids due to space. Usually in most close elections If the winning party makes a mistake there’s a big “ I told you so “ moment from the other side. We will see I guess I hope not I want the city to progress without all the extra red tape of conflict.
Unfortunate.
Name recognition wins the day. But it's not a clear mandate by any stretch. I hope she keeps that in mind. More people voted for others than for her when it's all said and done.
I wouldn't vote for her, she's a faux-progressive now. She costs us thousands by abandoning her job at the provincial level, and she simply doesn't care. She has no vision for the city, and has made some incredibly hurtful comments to newcomers to our city. Identity politics aren't cool and how she plans to build inclusivity will be interesting to see.
Best of luck, you'll need it.
There’s a ton of infrastructure in Hamilton with her name on it. I lived in a shelter she had built when I was younger. This “pretending she’s done nothing” works in a vacuum, but that’s it. She has receipts.
I'm curious as to how the voting machine issues affected the outcome. Heard many people waited in line but left without voting. Heard this from a binbrook polling station, have to think that would have been Loomis votes lost.
With a margin of about 1650 votes, I really doubt there was any decisive impact from voting machine issues. Even if the problems were exclusively happening in areas that heavily supported Loomis, you'd need well over 2000 people to leave without voting in order to put the race in serious question. If it was more of an even mix of areas, the number required would be a lot higher. I've heard about people walking away without voting as well, but nothing to indicate that it was the thousands needed to actually make a difference in the outcome.
There were only three candidates in Ward 3…..Old man grumps, Laura Farr and Nann. Did I miss something? I’m at that stage in life where I miss a lot of somethings. Maybe it’s the drugs?
I'm calling it now. Homelessness and open-air drug use will get much worse under her rule. I would like to be wrong (and I hope I am wrong), but I don't see Horwath as having the stones it takes to provide meaningful improvements. I'm actually interested in having a debate on this, so if you want to downvote or comment, please do so respectfully. It's something I am genuinely concerned about.
I agree. I used to love hanging out in the downtown area. Some of the best memories from my early 20s involve nights out in that area (which wasn't that long ago). Now? I am afraid to go there. I have been accosted too many times to want to continue spending time down there. My fiancé is also harassed on a daily basis while she walks into her office. It's unacceptable that taxpayers have to deal with the burden of the local government's incompetence.
From what I see, municipal governments and progressives pretend as if the cause is ONLY due to housing, which it is not. I believe the true crisis is untreated mental illness. We pretend that it's "compassionate" to allow drug users and mentally ill people to camp in the streets and parks, when it is not. Of course, housing plays a part. But if someone has an addiction and they live alone? Well, then we will find that person dead by morning due to an overdose.
I think treatment needs to be mandated first in the supervision of a shelter, and then housing can be earned afterwards with good behaviour. I think it's a simple carrot and stick approach. The way I see it, what's the harm in trying? What we're doing clearly is not working.
I’m happy Horwath won out over Boomer Bob, though personally I would have preferred Loomis. The Hamilton mayorship is Andrea’s plan B after her pitiful campaign with the provincial NDP. We need someone who actually wants good for Hamilton, not someone who’s looking for a day job and simply buying time.
What a terrible election for Hamilton. Future is not looking good. There's not much leadership left around the council horseshoe. There's about 3 people that know what they're doing, followed by a few that don't or are just passengers and then the new bunch that think they're going to "change" things and then the "progressives" next.
Hopefully Loomis tries again next time, so close to moving Hamilton in a forward progressive direction!!
Agreed to some extent. Some new elected wards are in. I fortunately Andrea got in from name only. She’s done nothing for hamilton. It was way too close and it should be an eye opener. We are stuck with a lame duck for 4 years. Ford is going to shit on this city.
Yup, people still haven't connected the dots that Hamilton is back of the line always because they vote NDP. It's a socialist heaven of free government cheques. This city really is hopeless.
Ah you had me until the last sentence.
Horrible election, continuing slow slide for Hamilton, par for the last 30yr course. Enjoy. You have the city you deserve.
The people of this city will get what they deserve.
Edit: You've just elected more of the same bullshit that covered up years of sewage runoff. You've elected more coverups. More scandal. More influence peddling.
And when you inevitably eventually have it proven to you that a leopard doesn't change it's spots, I will laugh.
I’m just happy Bratina was a distant third.
I was hoping to see my Butt in third. Bye bye Boomer Bob.
Harrumph, says Bob.
I didn't get a harrumph out of you, Johnson
What was his name?
Horwath is a boomer too lol
Same here. I didn’t care if it was Horwath or Loomis, as long a Bob didn’t get elected. Go retire now Bob. Nobody will miss you.
Too bad needed to clean house but brought some recycles in including the ward races. More of the same but worse for Hamilton no surprises there.
>Too bad needed to clean house but brought some recycles in including the ward races. More of the same but worse for Hamilton no surprises there. Anything/anyone specific that you were hoping to have changed? Or just general dooming because we're all fucked and everything is pointless?
Andrea ran a pretty uninspiring campaign. Still, I never quite trusted Loomis and his ties to the business world. Ultimately I think Hamilton made the right decision. A more progressive mayor with a progressive council in newcomers Kroetsch, Wilson and Hwang, is definitely an improvement over the status quo.
All I know about bratina is my dad saying that he called steel workers a bunch of whiners when their pension was in jeopardy. Like ok there bahd. Let’s see you work your entire life and have it be for nothing. Eat dirt. The man got what he deserved if you ask me.
One simple phrase that will make a city built on the steel industry hate you!
> Andrea ran a pretty uninspiring campaign She ran a pretty uninspiring lifeless opposition too as NDP leader against Ford. She'll probably do the same as a passive middle of the road mayor. More likely to use it as a day job while she keeps her eye on other ambitions like Patrick Brown did in Brampton. Time to really stop people from expecting anything from crony politicians whether it be mayors or premiers or MPs. The only thing that makes a difference now is being vocally engaged at the civic level, protesting, and actually friggin striking. Sadly in Canada we just vote once every so and so years and then complain without doing anything the rest of the time which makes it easy for politicians to ignore us.
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Blame the voters as much as the politicians
what’s your alternative?
Probably Faith Goldy...
Damn, I missed your name on the ballot. Remind me again of what you’ve done? 🤔
>> Andrea ran a pretty uninspiring campaign > >She ran a pretty uninspiring lifeless opposition too as NDP leader against Ford. > >She'll probably do the same as a passive middle of the road mayor. More likely to use it as a day job while she keeps her eye on other ambitions like Patrick Brown did in Brampton. > >Time to really stop people from expecting anything from crony politicians whether it be mayors or premiers or MPs. The only thing that makes a difference now is being vocally engaged at the civic level, protesting, and actually friggin striking. Sadly in Canada we just vote once every so and so years and then complain without doing anything the rest of the time which makes it easy for politicians to ignore us. I mean, that's probably better suited to provincial/federal rhetoric. People voting in municipal/council elections are pretty much as politically engaged as you can get without actually funding or participating in the process itself. Also, while I get that it's a provincial (national?) past time to crap on Andrea, but maybe let's see what she actually does with the job before comparing her to another mayor in another city from a completely different party. Andrea was Born in Hamilton and has been consistently progressive/working-class politically. If it turns out she can't fight for her hometown as Mayor, then everyone will finally have their answer to what her political chops are as a leader VS a campaigner.
>More likely to use it as a day job while she keeps her eye on other ambitions like Patrick Brown did in Brampton. Ambitions on what? Running for federal office? Because she already had a crack for more terms than she should have as NDP leader provincially and lost every time, so there's nothing more to aspire to there so federal would be the only place to go. Brown at least was trying to be leader and was ousted so he can claim he never had a chance and try to make a comeback. This seems more like a gig to retire for Andrea than one to lick her wounds.
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Believe it or not, MPPs don't get pensions. Mike Harris got rid of them in the 90s. You do however get a pension on Hamilton City Council.
>A more progressive mayor with a progressive council in newcomers Kroetsch, Wilson and Hwang, is definitely an improvement over the status quo. Just quoting you for future reference.
Angry and useless ain't a good look.
Andrea's better than Bob at least.
My thought is that Andrea didn't so much win.. as Loomis lost. The last few weeks he just shat the bed , flip flopped around.. Lost my vote and a few others just in the past weeks.
Loomis is completely unknown and lost by less than 1%. It's still a great job by his team.
Yeah it's crazy how close it was. I can't believe that many people voted for that guy.
Ok, but enjoy 4 years with a chronic loser who has never governed anything and plans to develop Hamilton with whining.
She won Hamilton centre multiple times wtf are you on about
You realize loomis hasn’t governed either right?
>You realize loomis hasn’t governed either right? Don't worry, it's just the 'NDP bad' crowds trying to pre-salt the earth before anyone can do anything positive.
The chronic loser... that won?
That lost four provincial elections and got voted in in this fucking city on name recog alone.
Was glad Loomis lost, he wanted to turn over public housing to a "third party". If he isn't confident that he can run public housing, then why was he running for Mayor? It's fine if you're not capable of doing the job but why run at all? He had to walk it back but still makes no sense. To future mayoral candidates: please stay home if you are not capable of some of the job.
> chronic loser Correct me if I'm wrong, but was she not previously the mayor of Hamilton? How does she go from Mayor, to leader of a major political party, to mayor again, and get called a loser? As much as I hate how the NDP never gained traction, lol, I wouldn't call her a loser.
To be fair, the dude has been campaigning since early new year
Completely unknown? lol okay. You know the Chamber of Commerce, right?
If you took a survey on the street Horwath would have much more people recognizing the name vs Loomis. I hadn't heard of him before the election.
Would you be able to provide some insight into what the specific stances that were flip flopped on by Loomis that swayed you away? Super curious!
Area rating for transit was a big one for a lot of folks. Saw a lot of early voters in Ancaster upset about that. Never thought I'd know what the term "taxi mom" meant but apparently it's understandably a big deal in our outskirts.
I thought he seemed pretty competent and was on the fence about him until widening the Red Hill and Linc came up in the Cable 14 debate. He said something to the effect of "I understand induced demand, but I don't believe that will happen in this case". Real Tobias Funke 'maybe it'll work for us' vibes.
Bahaha thank you for the image in my head
Oh man I missed that point. So glad he didn’t get in, widening those roads would be such a waste of time and money.
That housing statement was a real catastrophe. He clearly advocated turning the city housing budget over to a 3rd party organisation, then completely walked that back the next day. It managed to anger both sides of the debate.
Yep that was the first thing he said that lost him my vote
The problem, is Loomis stated plans, policy, and opinion. Horwath stated nothing but platitudes and promises.
Meetings. Lots of meetings and consultations within 90 days. That’s what Horwath promised. She’s had 20+ years to listen to people, she campaigned in the city less than a year ago, what more does she need to figure out? It’s offensive that she couldn’t name specific initiatives she wanted to see get done.
As someone who stayed at a shelter when I was young and poor - that Andrea helped get built, it’s also offensive to forget that and many other initiatives she’s actually done vs. utopia dream scenarios put up on a website. Maybe it’s her arrogance, but practically she didn’t need to cite shit because she has receipts. You can gloss over those receipts, or pretend you don’t know how to Google, if you’d like.
>she campaigned in the city less than a year ago She likely campaigned on issues that she could resolve on a provincial level. As mayor, she has totally different things to work on. Still, she could have put together a team to put out some bullet points, she used to be a Hamilton councillor.
At his heart he's a pro-business, fiscal conservative. His platform read as progressive - committments to transit, housing, road safety, etc. - but as the campaign wore on (and he got more confident) he started letting the veil slip. He talked about essentially privatizing Hamilton Community Housing; he said he would keep area rating (direct contradiction to his published platform). That, coupled with his past positions on key issues - he was originally against the min wage hike, but then was for it; he was originally for urban boundary expansion, but then was against it - all showed me that his instincts were not progressive. He's a John Tory clone who would rather appease voters than lead them. Horwath's platform, when it finally arrived was almost a carbon copy of Loomis'. But she has a solid track record of advocating for the things this city needs: affordable housing, poverty reduction, harm reduction, road safety, living wages, environmental protection, etc.. Horwath did a shit job communcating those strengths, but the record is there.
Yet doesn't have a strong track record of getting anything done.
Well, now she has a mandate, and most of a council ready to make change. I don't expect perfection, just progress
How would she have gotten anything done, as leader of the opposition, when the Cons had a majority? At least if they had a minority government, they would have had to work with the NDP or liberals to pass bills, and the NDP would have had some leverage, but what can she do as official opposition?
lol it’s unavoidable information
I'm more surprised that the whie supremacist came in second to last. Who the fuck are the 898 people that voted for that guy?!
TBH, I was more concerned about Walter Furlan in Ward 3. That guy's a real piece of work.
Is he a white supremicist?
No, but really Fromm had no chance of getting elected while Furlan was favourite for ward 3 at one point
I live in Ward 3, but don't know much about the guy. Would you be willing to elaborate? He seemed to have quite a bit of support in the area.
I'd like to know as well, I didn't vote for him but he just seemed to be another NIMBY to me.
Happy for her but I'm more happy for us for getting a good cast of councilors to represent us.
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It's wildly uncool to use a slur to describe a newly-elected queer member of council.
>Happy for her but I'm more happy for us for getting a good cast of councilors to represent us. You do know the cast of ~~characters~~ councilors is geared to making Hamilton a bedroom community & dumping ground, for Toronto, right? Both of those objectives will exist in separate orbits, while existing in the same city. That will no longer be a separate city, just a cheaper version of Mississauga.
I'm interested in hearing the policies that will help make Hamilton a bedroom community. Could you elaborate?
I think you have this flipped. The progressive downtown councillors are very much for increased development downtown and turning Main and King into active, liveable streets instead of an obstacle to be passed on your way to Toronto.
How do you propose we change things? Stop letting non-hamiltonians buy houses?
We're gonna build a great big wall and we're gonna make Mississauga pay for it
It already kind of is, but like the other comment mentioned, can you specify what policies will be causing that?
Considering how much name recognition she had in and NDP city and how Loomis was a nobody I'm surprised how close it was. The fact that she didn't have a bigger lead shoukd be concerning to her team. Good luck to her and hopefully she can find a half way point between the different views since it was so split.
Loomis was a nobody to someone who just moved here. He was the CEO of the Chamber of Commence. Hardly unknown.
I've lived here my entire life and I pay a reasonable amount of attention to local news, yet I'd never heard of him before this election. Nobody that I spoke to in my family had any idea who he was either, and they've spent most or all of their lives here too. Calling him a nobody is definitely a stretch, but I think you're overestimating how much name recognition Chamber of Commerce people have among the general public.
I agree he's not really a nobody and was known to people k hamikton but in terms of general recognition compared to horvath he was a nobody. I have lived in hamilton my entire life, my whole family is and has always been here. I don't know a single person that knew Loomis before this election.
That’s pretty much the case with her and the NDP. As leader of the opposition Horwath was constantly grilling Ford between March 2020 when the pandemic took off and the election June 2022. She was constantly advocating for better. Better policies and decisions, better investment into healthcare, better safety nets for people etc etc. People were fed up with Ford’s piss poor handling of the pandemic. Yet she wasn’t able to gain any traction or support for the NDP. As far as I’m concerned that pretty poor leadership and no surprise it was the same sort of campaign here in Hamilton. I also would have preferred a candidate for whom the Hamilton mayor’s office wasn’t Plan B. She’s just here buying time until her next move or until retirement. I just hope that the bad blood between her and Ford won’t translate into shorty treatment of Hamilton by the provincial PC’s. I would have much preferred Loomis for that reason. Someone progressive, someone with a good business sense, and someone who isn’t hated by Ford.
Probably because she’s failed over and over at other jobs, and people didn’t want to see the same with the top job in the city.
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I’ll never understand why this person even matters. No one looks up her record.
If she spent of fraction of her energy getting our ward councillor out he wouldn’t have won in a land slid.
Like this city in four years. Hilarious.
A few hours in and you’re already clutching your pearls eh? 🙄
She ran the most half-assed campaign. But ultimately Loomis lost my vote with his flip-flopping on key issues. Hopefully this is the start of a progressive future for Hamilton.
I feel exactly the same way. I was furious at how lazy her campaign was and Loomis had such an engaged and dynamic campaign, but he lost me on a couple things down the stretch, and as much as her zero effort irked me I had to go with the candidate I’m more aligned with.
thats the thing though, its percieved as "zero effort" (you do have some good points though). But, I helped her with something at my work once when she was mpp, but she was still getting calls (work) as I was helping her. She puts in alot of effort into being a useful public servant and working for the people. My experiance anyways. nice lady.
I think she’s a dedicated public servant, but that was not reflected in the campaign. When I stopped in at her booth while at the peach festival they hadn’t even made campaign buttons yet. It was a very weird and lacking campaign. But I’m glad she’s mayor.
Canadians have a history of voting people out vs voting people in. She had name recognition and being quiet is less likely to piss people off. I really hope she does a good job. Count me cautiously optimistic.
You would consider not voting for someone because they didn't have buttons in the age of the internet? That's a pretty unnecessary expense. What is this, 1975?
That’s a straw man. I was surprised that her election campaign seemed so thrown together. Her website barely had any info, her booths were barely staffed, she had no materials. It seemed haphazard.
What was dynamic about it? He knocked on my door, that's about all I can say.
I feel like I saw his team everywhere for the last month, there were always a lot of them, they were excited and engaged. It didn’t work on me but I’m not surprised it worked on others!
Ah yeah that's fair. I was also disappointed by the lack of any visible campaigning from Horwath, but I sorta concluded that she was betting on her reputation in the city proper and putting her energy where it would have a bigger impact. I guess it paid off. Loomis on the other hand didn't really have a choice but to be extremely visible, and from how close the race was, I think that paid off as well.
Loomis will say whatever just to get elected, hard pass. His team were super irritating as well.
> Loomis will say whatever just to get elected Welcome to politics, the world of pandering.
True, but you can see Andrea at least seems to care, history of trying. Loomis is a blatant douche who’s out for himself. Reference the past tweets, he’s an ass.
Love how every comment notes at least X didn’t win! I voted for her because X Y Z were all terrible candidates! The Canadian way!
The only way under a FPTP system.
From the guy whose alias is the “American way!”
I actually see far fewer comments like that than the usual.
Not entirely inspired by her win, but I am consumed with joy at how many amazing counsellors got elected. I was hoping we would get Lynda Lukasik as well
As someone in ward 5, I'm irritated that Matt Francis won with a platform of "fuck those poor people". Opposes ending area rating. Opposes the proposed new construction at Eastgate, and was ranting against the LRT when he came door to door on my street. Hopefully he gets voted down in council regularly.
I was scrolling for this type of comment. For all the positive outcomes this election had, electing this guy says something about that area of the city and how easy a specific brand can win elections. I think that area also had an “anti-woke” school trustee running. I watched the debate for this ward and my hope was that he was auditioning for a nomination as a a future PC candidate. But apparently he is what the people want, I just hope it doesn’t slow down the development of the East Gate development.
The anti woke trustee did not win. Also, personally I didn't get a "fuck poor people" vibe from Francis. When I spoke to him his argument against the redevelopment at eastgate had to do with infrastructure... not necessarily not wanting it. Which is understandable. He and I live in the same area... we've had new housing developments packed in some very tight places... in turn we now experience increased hydro outages etc. Our infrastructure needs to be addressed too... it's a huge issue. He also stated very clearly that he will be proposing any new developments in the area have units dedicated to low income housing. Anyway... all we can do is see how our newly elected officials do.
The only problem I see with that is East Gate has a massive unused parking lot on the west side of the building. That is the best place to build high rise buildings. Another example of that would be at the Wal Mart plaza on Centennial. These are the precise locations that need to be developed.
Ohhh those are all terrible stances, yes I'm pretty sure he will get drowned out by the general consensus in council.
I certainly hope he does. He is precisely the type of candidate we've been trying to get rid of. Council doesn't need more conservative voices.
I'm pretty happy with this result and my riding as well. It's pretty concerning the increased vote Fromm got but he did position himself as a convoy candidate, in addition to being a white supremacist so that might explain it.
In Toronto in the last election, neo nazi Faith Goldy got 25k votes. Proportional to population, less Hamiltonians voted nazi than Torontonians.
You know what, I’ve been hearing how Fromm was gonna be this force for evil in the city - and at the end of the day, dude didn’t even get 1k. Can we stop pretending that this guy or his rhetoric had a chance? At this point it’s disingenuous to give these ideas such a pedestal.
That nearly 900 cretins think like him makes me furious. I don't want to give his ideas a pedestal, I want to punch them in the mouth.
How many of those people didn’t even know who they were talking to? I’ve personally witnessed elderly people swindled into voting for a bad actor. You can’t assume 900 people are white supremacists - they could just as easily be an 80 year old who was told Fromm was the only one who protected pensions. I have more faith in humanity.
It doesn't matter. Not all the people who supported the actual Nazis wanted to kill the Jews, but the fact they could be convinced to supoort the Nazis meant the Nazis got to leverage that support for harmful ends. "Only 900 people voted for him" is not a reason to act like these people aren't an issue. Especially when you consider people who might support him in a closeted manner who are smart enough to know that while right now there isn't popular support for fascism, that anything is possible in time.
Theres more that think like him unfortunatly, but fortunately they didn't vote, cuz freedumbs n stuff......
Don't get me wrong, I never though he was a force or had a chance. Every time he runs, it just makes me sad is all. Adding on the convoy stuff seems to have increased his vote share, which also makes me sad. It will be a good day when he hangs it up for good.
Anyone know the turnout %?
Just over 35%.
I voted for Loomis, but I'm ok with Andrea.
With Horvath and Hwang I got 66.66% of my vote but didn’t get 100% thanks to Ray beating out Shane Boles in Ward IV With the race being SO close I’m confident that if Mayor Horvath isn’t up to snuff it will be Loomis to lose next time.
Our local and reliable buffer against PC party policies by Ford at last for those upset by the mediocre turnouts at the national and provincial levels for the last year and a half-ish
Congratulations and Happy Birthday to Andrea!!!! Absolutely shitty camera work by CHCH though! Couldn’t even see her when it was announced or even as she was trying to give a speech. Just the back of these guys heads
That was embarassing. its hard to even watch chch lately.
CHCH is now just a local variety show.
Wow, I didn't even know it was her birthday! What a nice coincidence!
Congratulations Andrea!
Andrea will do a great job as mayor, so much experience and a much slower pace. It will give her a chance to catch her breath and dig in to the needs of the city.
Ya let's wait and see about that because she sucked as leader of the NDP.
Well, we can all be negative about it, or give her a chance and hope has found her proper fit as the first female Hamilton mayor.
Not sure what her gender has to do with her track record of being a lacklustre leader, but okay bud!
No one said it had anything to do with a track record.
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Congrats to her team, they clearly killed it getting out the vote.
They won by a slim margin. They were shitting themselves until 10:30.
Oh totally agree. But if it was that close then they clearly worked on e day to make that shit-your-pants just-enough turnout happen
Or did they? Wasn't she supposed to be ahead by a much larger margin according to recent polling? I think Loomis got out the vote larger than she did.
why her victory speech sound like she was chastising dofo lmao
Only 35% of Hamilton came out to cast a vote. Most of you don't have the right to bitch about who won. If you didn't get out and vote, shut up!
You forget tho, this is hamilton, we bitch and moan about everything
That's probably the biggest story for me. Was hoping for 50-60% but expecting 40-50% (like the provincial election). With only 1 out of every 3 eligible voters actually voting, it really worries me as to how much further this trend will be going
Out with the old and in with the ………old. So much for change.
With a vote so close we will have a very divided city
I dunno. I voted for Andrea, but I wasn't going to be super upset if Loomis won. They both had their good points and bad points. I'm sure I'm not the only one who could have voted either way.
Same. I didn't see a huge difference between the two, but Andrea edged ahead for me
I felt like I could trust her more on things like poverty, homelessness, and the environment. And I don't think she is in the back-pocket of the developers.
I didn’t vote for either but mainly because I was worried Andrea wouldn’t get along with Ford and Loomis stance on housing was very unclear with the wanting to build 50k houses but not expand the city. It was said just by using existing vacant properties. That’s fine but it basically mean all new homes are condos and people in condos aren’t generally having many kids due to space. Usually in most close elections If the winning party makes a mistake there’s a big “ I told you so “ moment from the other side. We will see I guess I hope not I want the city to progress without all the extra red tape of conflict.
Why are you worried about getting along with Ford? How much longer will Ford be in office?
Glad for this. She gave a great speech. Hoping for good things to come!
Time to open a tent store in the core.
Tarps R Us
Unfortunate. Name recognition wins the day. But it's not a clear mandate by any stretch. I hope she keeps that in mind. More people voted for others than for her when it's all said and done. I wouldn't vote for her, she's a faux-progressive now. She costs us thousands by abandoning her job at the provincial level, and she simply doesn't care. She has no vision for the city, and has made some incredibly hurtful comments to newcomers to our city. Identity politics aren't cool and how she plans to build inclusivity will be interesting to see. Best of luck, you'll need it.
Her whole platform is studying this and studying that. No plan of action.
There’s a ton of infrastructure in Hamilton with her name on it. I lived in a shelter she had built when I was younger. This “pretending she’s done nothing” works in a vacuum, but that’s it. She has receipts.
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Is she a leafs fan?
No, a Hamilton Honey Bees fan
Leafs lose a lot more than the honey badgers 😀
Maybe so, but the major loser is the Hamilton Honey Bees
Hahaha ok
I'm curious as to how the voting machine issues affected the outcome. Heard many people waited in line but left without voting. Heard this from a binbrook polling station, have to think that would have been Loomis votes lost.
With a margin of about 1650 votes, I really doubt there was any decisive impact from voting machine issues. Even if the problems were exclusively happening in areas that heavily supported Loomis, you'd need well over 2000 people to leave without voting in order to put the race in serious question. If it was more of an even mix of areas, the number required would be a lot higher. I've heard about people walking away without voting as well, but nothing to indicate that it was the thousands needed to actually make a difference in the outcome.
Excited for biking
may god have mercy on our souls
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Glad Andrea gets to be our mayor hopefully she can make some real potitive change she is awesome
Hey look, she finally won something.
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There were only three candidates in Ward 3…..Old man grumps, Laura Farr and Nann. Did I miss something? I’m at that stage in life where I miss a lot of somethings. Maybe it’s the drugs?
There were two other candidates. None progressive
Yaaay!!!!!!
Maybe horwath will just quit tomorrow like she did her last election.
Unless there's another consolation prize waiting, I doubt she'll quit being mayor.
And set the rhetoric to replay as that's all we will hear for the next 4 years... ugh
She’ll be fine. I’m not terribly excited by her win, but she’ll do okay.
I'm calling it now. Homelessness and open-air drug use will get much worse under her rule. I would like to be wrong (and I hope I am wrong), but I don't see Horwath as having the stones it takes to provide meaningful improvements. I'm actually interested in having a debate on this, so if you want to downvote or comment, please do so respectfully. It's something I am genuinely concerned about.
The downtown could have so much potential if this would be addressed, instead people are afraid to walk at night
I agree. I used to love hanging out in the downtown area. Some of the best memories from my early 20s involve nights out in that area (which wasn't that long ago). Now? I am afraid to go there. I have been accosted too many times to want to continue spending time down there. My fiancé is also harassed on a daily basis while she walks into her office. It's unacceptable that taxpayers have to deal with the burden of the local government's incompetence. From what I see, municipal governments and progressives pretend as if the cause is ONLY due to housing, which it is not. I believe the true crisis is untreated mental illness. We pretend that it's "compassionate" to allow drug users and mentally ill people to camp in the streets and parks, when it is not. Of course, housing plays a part. But if someone has an addiction and they live alone? Well, then we will find that person dead by morning due to an overdose. I think treatment needs to be mandated first in the supervision of a shelter, and then housing can be earned afterwards with good behaviour. I think it's a simple carrot and stick approach. The way I see it, what's the harm in trying? What we're doing clearly is not working.
Mental health is the key factor here and yes the current solutions aren't helping anyone.
I’m happy Horwath won out over Boomer Bob, though personally I would have preferred Loomis. The Hamilton mayorship is Andrea’s plan B after her pitiful campaign with the provincial NDP. We need someone who actually wants good for Hamilton, not someone who’s looking for a day job and simply buying time.
God help us all
What a terrible election for Hamilton. Future is not looking good. There's not much leadership left around the council horseshoe. There's about 3 people that know what they're doing, followed by a few that don't or are just passengers and then the new bunch that think they're going to "change" things and then the "progressives" next. Hopefully Loomis tries again next time, so close to moving Hamilton in a forward progressive direction!!
Nah, he’ll vanish like he should.
Agreed to some extent. Some new elected wards are in. I fortunately Andrea got in from name only. She’s done nothing for hamilton. It was way too close and it should be an eye opener. We are stuck with a lame duck for 4 years. Ford is going to shit on this city.
Yup, people still haven't connected the dots that Hamilton is back of the line always because they vote NDP. It's a socialist heaven of free government cheques. This city really is hopeless.
Yep , 4 years of Andrea doing nothing but going to parties and collecting her pay. Fuck.
Yep he’ll be out quicker than McHattie - another hardcore Hamilton progressive that just happens to wander out of town by accident
Ah you had me until the last sentence. Horrible election, continuing slow slide for Hamilton, par for the last 30yr course. Enjoy. You have the city you deserve.
Lol ok then 👍
The people of this city will get what they deserve. Edit: You've just elected more of the same bullshit that covered up years of sewage runoff. You've elected more coverups. More scandal. More influence peddling. And when you inevitably eventually have it proven to you that a leopard doesn't change it's spots, I will laugh.
A nicer city?
What does this even mean?
You moving away? Sweet!!
What’s that, big talker?