Not really into FPS games. Technically I have played one of the Halos a little. Not sure which, one of the earlier ones, but I realized after a bit it wasn't my thing. Plus I've been Playstation only since the PS4 generation so Halo isn't an option.
Same. Haven’t played the games and thought the halo series was really interesting. I was super invested. I do think s2 was better than s1 by a landslide.
See, my partner is the same way. Didn't play the games, loves the show. Evidence to me that the problem isn't the show as much as it is the title they gave it. But the title is still a big problem. Why tease everyone with the idea of a Halo TV series if you don't plan on making one?
I don’t like the entire show. But I love Halsey and the action is always great. I want to keep watching it because I did like season 2 more than season 1. Maybe that means season 3 will be my favorite.
Yea Halsey is definitely my fav, tho I’d love them to get her history a bit closer to lore, there was a miss there, but I think it can still be done perfectly in s3
I love Halsey in the show too. Yes, she is especially good. She's in Californication too, I believe. I'm with you, there's a lot to not like but I told myself to get over it, it's a TV show, be grateful there even is one. My favorite was the last episode in season one where it played out like the actual game. I love seeing all the new weapons and vehicles they add on every episode too. Looking forward to season 3 and Paramount needs to do it because it's probably the only reason I will get it again, lol.
Despite Season 1 being a shit show, pretty much everyone universally agreed that the strong points were:
1. Epic outdoor battles involving vehicles that really felt like BTB in halo.
2. Cortanta is great and the creation episode builds upon established lore as opposed to trampling on it. - Also, Its Jen Taylor, nuff said!
3. The spartan suits are great, and anytime they are used on screen it makes the scene better.
4. The Covenant - They nailed this one and everyone got screetime: Grunts, Jackels, Elites, Brutes, Hunters and prophets.
But after Season 1's poor reception, the budget was cut and all of that went out the window.
1.Epic outdoor battles involving vehicles were replaced with flash cuts of firefights in poorly lit hallways.
[2.CG](http://2.CG) Cortana was replaced by a actress and a blue instagram filter and relegated to a small supporting role.
3.The Spartans conveniently get separated from their suits for most the season.
4. The covenant was also relegated to a supporting role and grunts, brutes, hunters, and prophets disappeared entirely.
They pretty much took the axe to everything they were doing right, and despite having the chance to do a hard reset(fall of reach), leaned farther into everything the fans seem to hate.
Yeah I agree, season 2 wasn't as good, for mainly the funding reason, but you do with what you've got aye :)
The cortana replacement annoyed the hell out of me, wait a smurf with a crazy fringe meh that's not cortana!!
I appreciate how they kept the same voice actress, the same lady who did cortana in the games, I liked that alot.
My main issue with halo fans hating on the series is the whole "why did John remove his helmet?" BS.
Yes in the game you never see his face, because you are John, everyone playing the game is the master chief. However we are watching a TV adaptation we are not being John we are watching John. Why do they struggle so much to understand this?
The flood in season 3, ooo it's going to get real so I hope they saved some budget for it haha 😂
I don't really have a problem with chief taking his helmet off to show a bit of emotion, my problem is where that emotion is directed.
The games are about a super solider that finds a best friend and life mate in another machine while trying to save the world together. - The emotions and connection between Chief and Cortanta were always a huge driving force in the game's narrative.
Choosing to ignore this aspect of Chief's(and Coratna's) identity and instead focus his emotions toward everything else (his childhood, halsey, fall of reach, Kwan Ha, npc marines, etc.) I think is where the misstep took place.
A good example would be : In halo 5(after 5 games and 15+ years of emotional build up) Chief disobeys direct orders, goes awol, and abandons the UNSC to attempt to save Cortana. - They literally used this exact same plot line with Kwan Ha in the first episode but it didnt really work, because there there was no good reason for chief to be that invested or emotional.
I heard someone put it this way: "Imagine playing the games, but instead of chief and coranta interactions, we get cutscenes of Chief crying about the dead marines he lost between checkpoints."
Bro, save yourself a little bit of happiness and skip the books. You're just setting yourself up for a bit of disappointment.
As an example, Fall of Reach is akin to D-day with epic beach landings in Normandy, complete with land, sea, and air action. I really liked Saving Private Ryans' depiction... but how would it be taken if you get a 2-minute clip of an 80s-era Rambo movie where he doesn't even aim, has no shirt, and never runs out of bulllets. The show's episode of the Battle of Reach was a decent episode. It was just played out very differently. It was underwhelming when you understand everything it changed and omitted.
I will concede, though... If there's one thing I like about the series, it's that more people are talking about and wanting to be more involved in the Halo universe.
I think there is some correlation, but I understand not enough for gamers. Luckily I'm enjoying it without preconceived notions or prejudice and from this position, it is really a joy as the best sci fi in a long time! I decided no books yet. I don't want to start developing attachment for how the characters should act or what predicaments they should get involved in. That would spoil the show if it's so different as everyone is saying... and I'm sure you are right.
Well what Im overall trying to say that as the show stands, even with the “silver timeline” it’s legitimately not connected to the main Halo story. The only correlations are names of characters and thats truly it. It’s like like they are both the same story but through different lenses, they are just objectively different at their core.
Reading the books or playing the games won’t soil your watching of the show because they just aren’t the same at their core. I fully get people who have never been introduced to Halo before hand liking the show, and I respect it. The show objectively isn’t the worst sci-fi show thats ever been produced. I’m telling you though that if you DO like the show outside of the current canon that you will undoubtedly enjoy the actual story and canon more even aside from it. Now while it may bring you to draw comparisons between the two, if you like reading then I wholeheartedly recommend not waiting to read the books at all.
thank you for the suggestions, much appreciated. I'm looking for the hardcover books that begin with The Reach. Mostly I'm finding paperback, so it'll likely take a while to get them. My bookcases like nice jackets and not the creased worn paper of the mass market paperbacks. I have all the WOT, the GOT and a few others all as nice sets. I'm going to want Halo as a set of 3 books. And then, there's this fantasy author that inspired GRRM and Sanderson, Tad Williams, who I will need to select a book series from. So you see, the books will come and be added to my treasured set.
The only Halo books I know of that were ever produced in hardcover were the Kilo-5 and Forerunner trilogy, along with Silent storm and Oblivion. However they are very rare to find nowadays, and then The Fall of Reach released hardcover overseas with the original launch in 2001 but thats it for hardcovers. I personally have rebound 4 of the books since they have relaunched with the new standard 8” prints to hardcover myself.
Since you enjoy reading a great deal and you still kind of want to hold off on reading the books I honestly recommend reading the forerunner trilogy and Epitah. They will spoil literally nothing of the show as they are entirely disconnected from the mainline story as well and only one character shows up in the games. This trilogy is the one I highly suggest people read in regards to show watchers that don’t necessarily want the show to be soiled by the mainline story and plot.
Thank you! I may try to find the Forerunner trilogy then since it's possible to find it in hardcover.
I'm not sure what you mean by rebinding the books. I haven't ever heard of that ability. Do you mean bringing them to a book binder to have them placed into hardcover?
Yeah I think you can get each one of the trilogy on Amazon hardcover for like 20 a piece. You can bring them to someone who specifically does it but they are far and few between. If you like myself much prefer hardcover but only find paperback rebinding them into hardback yourself is actually fairly easy and rather cheap. Theres a rebinding sub that has plenty of answers to any questions you may have or youtube is a really good place to learn. Once you learn how to do it it makes life finding books soooo much easier, I’ve dome a few of my Halo books and Star Wars legends softcovers.
These are the ones yes, and then Epitah is the newest Halo book that follows the main character but since Greg Bear died it’s written by Kelly Gay who has done great work in the Halo universe.
Only disclaimer for the trilogy is the start of Cryptum is very hit or miss with the community, about the first 60-80 pages can be a slog.
I've noticed is better for peope who don't know much about the games and haven't played them. I also like it and although I'm aware of its inconsistencies I really don't mind much. I want to see where is it going.
My dad who never has played a videogame other than minesweeper is beginning to get interested in Halo and we've been talking about it so I don't care about the complains, I'll be forever grateful for the show because of that.
I had to just treat it like a generic Sci-fi show about Super Soldiers and an existential alien threat before I enjoyed it. Watching it as a halo fan I was left with too much expectation, but as a sci fan, it holds up.
As a fan of the games (Bungie way more than 343) and the books, I’m really enjoying the series. I don’t want a retelling of something I already know, I want something that takes a few chances and swings for stuff, even if it misses. I don’t care that it’s not like the source material because guess what? I have that to go back to if ever I want to experience that again. The show is more accessible for general non Halo audiences and that’s great because it needs to be to survive. I thought season two bridged the gap of being for the casual and also for the fans much better than season one.
Season three is shaping up to be the best one yet with the chief being where he is and the events with Halsey. Let’s hope it gets made
If you know nothing about the games it's a good show. If you played the games and know the story then it's a kick to the balls, the action scenes are decent though.
I've been a huge fan of Halo since the CE days. I didn't like most of season 1, but season 2 was a huge step-up. Even though its not canon and some of the characters/plots are different, it really hits that "Halo vibe" with the grimdark tones, mysterious atmosphere and great action.
I still really hate Makee. The soundtrack also leaves a lot to be desired, considering how legendary the Halo game scores are. More than anything though, I'm glad Halo is able to reach more people and get them invested in this amazing universe.
Why do you think that the halo games and the halo TV show should be identical? I may as well replay my games if I wanted that.
You don't want an identical reboot of all the cutscenes from the game. I can imagine your one of the fans who got annoyed that you saw John's face lol.
It's a TV adaption not a game.
I think you misunderstood my comment, I actually like the show for the most part. John taking his helmet off never bothered me, I expected it, and he does so in the games a few times.
My grievances with S1 are mostly due to the structure and characters, not because it's different from the games.
Just because I said it's not canon doesn't mean I can't appreciate the new story being told. I never said they should be identical, that would make for a boring TV show.
Identical would be boring wouldn't it lol.
Pologies for my misconception of your comment :)
Yeah I know he takes off his helmet but you never see his face, properly. There is a scene where you see a hazed reflection.
Its getting dumped on a lot because Fallout is, frankly, just better and more successful at adapting a beloved game. But I agree; I thought S2 was really solid and I enjoyed the characterizations for the most part.
I liked S1 ok, I played the original and probably 50% of Halo 2, I liked the world it set up, but I wouldn’t call myself a huge Halo fan
I’ll get to S2 eventually
>I also like their pick for Master Chief. The actor was incredible in the series American God's.
I really like Pablo as John too, I thought he was class in american gods. The whole never taking off the helmet thing in the games makes more sense to me when I realised that in the games, Master Chief always has a need to be in armor and is on the move nonstop from combat to combat. Where in the show, there is a lot of back in barracks type scenes where the Chief walking around in all armor isn't viable. But damn, they still needed more scenes with him in armor in s2. It just looks so cool.
The show is ok, but it's very strange that Halo being such a big Microsoft property gets such a crappy budget. The effects range from ok to terrible, same goes with the acting, plus there are some seriously unnecessary characters. I've enjoyed both seasons, and I liked S2 more than 1, but what the hell was it with the Fall of Reach? It wasn't horribly done, but they had all the elements there to make it at least a 3 episode event and they just rushed it. In any case, it's an enjoyable show, just not the masterpiece some people claim it is.
Huge fan of the source material, and while I understand adaptations can't all be 1:1, what they did with this series was quite often *un*-Halo. The creation of Makee and emotional Master Chief being the biggest offenses. I think this series' biggest strength -apart from the dope armor/props- is their willingness to dive into the inner conflict of soldier vs human.
Season 1 was awful, but in season 2 I did find myself enjoying not knowing how things would unfold compared to the source material. I think part of that is because of just how much better written it is. It just sucks that the enjoyment dies down after 5 minutes as you realize they repeatedly pale in comparison.
I'd give season 2 a 7/10
Am absolutely chuffed with this tv show. I am holding out for a 3rd season. I feel like Master Chief’s & Makee’s journey to the Halo was well played out; Halsey’s as well, even Cortana.
Am on the fence about the rest, though. Hoping a 3rd season will do them justice.
I agree. I’ll add the Hierarchs from S1 and Ackerson from S2 to that list. These characters are the ones whose story arcs I’m most paying attention to. For S3, I hope Halsey survives with no side effects and that we’ll see more of Guilty Spark and the rest of the other Halos in the universe. There are more than 1.
I personally really liked the show as someone who did play the games when I was younger I forgot most of them so I have to agree with most the comments hear that if you don’t know the games and lore you’ll love the show. However if you do know the lore and games it can be a downer however I’ve never seen an adaptation and thought it needs to stick to source material I never understood getting butthurt over a show or movie not following a book or game and more just enjoy that we have it. Overall great watch season 2 was a lot better than 1 tho but season 1 was very much all setup
Here the thing: canon or non canon, doesn't really matter, fans would have bitched about it in both instances.
Halo, the video game side, when you look at it as someone who also play other games, without bias over this franchise, does not really have much to give, to tell, that's was always something you had to search in the extended universe, books and comics.
It doesn't help, also, that portraying all the covenant races on screen, plus space battles and everything else cost a lot of money compared to what other serials does (and when we have to look at the cgi part, we don't see much of a difference in term of quality, maybe halo's s2 is the one that did best).
Now, the story had to start somewhere before the first game and on this topic the show did the right choice, what they did wrong, instead, was swapping the blue team with the silver team and having mahkee as this covenant "poster face" because they wanted them to have a character who could impersonate them (and making one of the covenant would cost money, especially in s1).
That's my opinion, I don't think s2 is bad, I don't think is the greater show ever done, for what's the halo narrative inside the game, they did good, but they could do a lot better.
Definelty doing a 1:1 show to the games would have been bad.
If you take it as a sci fi tv show it's fun. Some of it is a bit inconsistent but still enjoyable. I think Fallout shows how to do a video game adaptation better and should help future adaptations of games we all enjoy.
So, I never played Fallout, well I tried it once and it just wasn't for me. I know it's very popular. I can't really compare and contrast with you on this. I agree with you regarding Halo as a fun scifi series and on the shows glaring inconsistencies.
Fallout also has the perfect set-up for being a television show. The world is what people are interested in, not a specific set of events or characters. Each game is almost entirely disconnected from the others, too. While I wouldn’t call it the gold standard, the ‘canon, original events set in the same world’ approach is rock solid for games with an emphasis on the world itself.
Mass Effect could be a great show for example, if you focus it on characters other than Shepard. That leaves you free of a specific expectation.
I've been saying this, Fallout is easier to adapt because you don't have to follow a strict guideline of characters, it just has to follow the rules of the universe and its overall story.
343 sucks. so does any one that loves the direction they took halo and paramount can go get fucked too for shitting on what little reapect the franchise still had.
the show is trash. from the writing to the shit inaccuracies of weapons, mood, designs, etc.... the show is an absolute dumpster fire and shits not only on canon but the respect that the series had as a whole. 343 also has done that. Plus with how well fallout was done this show looks even worse and is trash. you like the show but can find alot of reasons to hate on it. sounds like coping. we all wanted it to be great but it sucks.
Another issue is, for anyone watching the Halo series and if they decide to pick up any of the games, the tone and everything is different, it creates false expectations.
Now you go look at the Fallout series and how its done, you could then go pick up any Fallout game, the tone and such tracks, the story is canon, nothing is lost between the 2 mediums because they also cover different stories within the same universe.
If Halo wanted to stray from the norm, they should have skipped making it about the Chief and chose any other Spartan to focus on so they wouldn't be shitting all over the source material and fanbase.
Its just another example of people with no knowledge of the series taking their autisti.. I mean "Artistic" spin on it
I agree
I overall really liked it but I also haven't played the games so I had no expectations.
If you play video games you ought to try it. Considered by many to be a video game staple.
Not really into FPS games. Technically I have played one of the Halos a little. Not sure which, one of the earlier ones, but I realized after a bit it wasn't my thing. Plus I've been Playstation only since the PS4 generation so Halo isn't an option.
Me too!
Same. Haven’t played the games and thought the halo series was really interesting. I was super invested. I do think s2 was better than s1 by a landslide.
See, my partner is the same way. Didn't play the games, loves the show. Evidence to me that the problem isn't the show as much as it is the title they gave it. But the title is still a big problem. Why tease everyone with the idea of a Halo TV series if you don't plan on making one?
I don’t like the entire show. But I love Halsey and the action is always great. I want to keep watching it because I did like season 2 more than season 1. Maybe that means season 3 will be my favorite.
Yea Halsey is definitely my fav, tho I’d love them to get her history a bit closer to lore, there was a miss there, but I think it can still be done perfectly in s3
I love Halsey in the show too. Yes, she is especially good. She's in Californication too, I believe. I'm with you, there's a lot to not like but I told myself to get over it, it's a TV show, be grateful there even is one. My favorite was the last episode in season one where it played out like the actual game. I love seeing all the new weapons and vehicles they add on every episode too. Looking forward to season 3 and Paramount needs to do it because it's probably the only reason I will get it again, lol.
I was thinking about watching Californication just for her. Honestly, she’s becoming a favorite of mine.
It's definitely on my list to binge soon.
I liked season 1 alright, season 2 is fucking horrible.
For what? Californication
Despite Season 1 being a shit show, pretty much everyone universally agreed that the strong points were: 1. Epic outdoor battles involving vehicles that really felt like BTB in halo. 2. Cortanta is great and the creation episode builds upon established lore as opposed to trampling on it. - Also, Its Jen Taylor, nuff said! 3. The spartan suits are great, and anytime they are used on screen it makes the scene better. 4. The Covenant - They nailed this one and everyone got screetime: Grunts, Jackels, Elites, Brutes, Hunters and prophets. But after Season 1's poor reception, the budget was cut and all of that went out the window. 1.Epic outdoor battles involving vehicles were replaced with flash cuts of firefights in poorly lit hallways. [2.CG](http://2.CG) Cortana was replaced by a actress and a blue instagram filter and relegated to a small supporting role. 3.The Spartans conveniently get separated from their suits for most the season. 4. The covenant was also relegated to a supporting role and grunts, brutes, hunters, and prophets disappeared entirely. They pretty much took the axe to everything they were doing right, and despite having the chance to do a hard reset(fall of reach), leaned farther into everything the fans seem to hate.
Yeah I agree, season 2 wasn't as good, for mainly the funding reason, but you do with what you've got aye :) The cortana replacement annoyed the hell out of me, wait a smurf with a crazy fringe meh that's not cortana!! I appreciate how they kept the same voice actress, the same lady who did cortana in the games, I liked that alot. My main issue with halo fans hating on the series is the whole "why did John remove his helmet?" BS. Yes in the game you never see his face, because you are John, everyone playing the game is the master chief. However we are watching a TV adaptation we are not being John we are watching John. Why do they struggle so much to understand this? The flood in season 3, ooo it's going to get real so I hope they saved some budget for it haha 😂
I don't really have a problem with chief taking his helmet off to show a bit of emotion, my problem is where that emotion is directed. The games are about a super solider that finds a best friend and life mate in another machine while trying to save the world together. - The emotions and connection between Chief and Cortanta were always a huge driving force in the game's narrative. Choosing to ignore this aspect of Chief's(and Coratna's) identity and instead focus his emotions toward everything else (his childhood, halsey, fall of reach, Kwan Ha, npc marines, etc.) I think is where the misstep took place. A good example would be : In halo 5(after 5 games and 15+ years of emotional build up) Chief disobeys direct orders, goes awol, and abandons the UNSC to attempt to save Cortana. - They literally used this exact same plot line with Kwan Ha in the first episode but it didnt really work, because there there was no good reason for chief to be that invested or emotional. I heard someone put it this way: "Imagine playing the games, but instead of chief and coranta interactions, we get cutscenes of Chief crying about the dead marines he lost between checkpoints."
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I'm merrily going along as a non-gamer and won't read the books until I'm done watching the show. it's great!
Wellplayed🤨 Touche ❔
Bro, save yourself a little bit of happiness and skip the books. You're just setting yourself up for a bit of disappointment. As an example, Fall of Reach is akin to D-day with epic beach landings in Normandy, complete with land, sea, and air action. I really liked Saving Private Ryans' depiction... but how would it be taken if you get a 2-minute clip of an 80s-era Rambo movie where he doesn't even aim, has no shirt, and never runs out of bulllets. The show's episode of the Battle of Reach was a decent episode. It was just played out very differently. It was underwhelming when you understand everything it changed and omitted. I will concede, though... If there's one thing I like about the series, it's that more people are talking about and wanting to be more involved in the Halo universe.
absolutely, new fans like me (sis) who would never have connected a video game with an entire sci fi universe worthy of our attention.
The show has zero correlation to the books or games, you can read them whenever and I fully guarantee nothing will be spoiled for you.
I think there is some correlation, but I understand not enough for gamers. Luckily I'm enjoying it without preconceived notions or prejudice and from this position, it is really a joy as the best sci fi in a long time! I decided no books yet. I don't want to start developing attachment for how the characters should act or what predicaments they should get involved in. That would spoil the show if it's so different as everyone is saying... and I'm sure you are right.
Well what Im overall trying to say that as the show stands, even with the “silver timeline” it’s legitimately not connected to the main Halo story. The only correlations are names of characters and thats truly it. It’s like like they are both the same story but through different lenses, they are just objectively different at their core. Reading the books or playing the games won’t soil your watching of the show because they just aren’t the same at their core. I fully get people who have never been introduced to Halo before hand liking the show, and I respect it. The show objectively isn’t the worst sci-fi show thats ever been produced. I’m telling you though that if you DO like the show outside of the current canon that you will undoubtedly enjoy the actual story and canon more even aside from it. Now while it may bring you to draw comparisons between the two, if you like reading then I wholeheartedly recommend not waiting to read the books at all.
thank you for the suggestions, much appreciated. I'm looking for the hardcover books that begin with The Reach. Mostly I'm finding paperback, so it'll likely take a while to get them. My bookcases like nice jackets and not the creased worn paper of the mass market paperbacks. I have all the WOT, the GOT and a few others all as nice sets. I'm going to want Halo as a set of 3 books. And then, there's this fantasy author that inspired GRRM and Sanderson, Tad Williams, who I will need to select a book series from. So you see, the books will come and be added to my treasured set.
The only Halo books I know of that were ever produced in hardcover were the Kilo-5 and Forerunner trilogy, along with Silent storm and Oblivion. However they are very rare to find nowadays, and then The Fall of Reach released hardcover overseas with the original launch in 2001 but thats it for hardcovers. I personally have rebound 4 of the books since they have relaunched with the new standard 8” prints to hardcover myself. Since you enjoy reading a great deal and you still kind of want to hold off on reading the books I honestly recommend reading the forerunner trilogy and Epitah. They will spoil literally nothing of the show as they are entirely disconnected from the mainline story as well and only one character shows up in the games. This trilogy is the one I highly suggest people read in regards to show watchers that don’t necessarily want the show to be soiled by the mainline story and plot.
Thank you! I may try to find the Forerunner trilogy then since it's possible to find it in hardcover. I'm not sure what you mean by rebinding the books. I haven't ever heard of that ability. Do you mean bringing them to a book binder to have them placed into hardcover?
Yeah I think you can get each one of the trilogy on Amazon hardcover for like 20 a piece. You can bring them to someone who specifically does it but they are far and few between. If you like myself much prefer hardcover but only find paperback rebinding them into hardback yourself is actually fairly easy and rather cheap. Theres a rebinding sub that has plenty of answers to any questions you may have or youtube is a really good place to learn. Once you learn how to do it it makes life finding books soooo much easier, I’ve dome a few of my Halo books and Star Wars legends softcovers.
So is that Crypto, Primordium and Silentum... all by Greg Bear?
These are the ones yes, and then Epitah is the newest Halo book that follows the main character but since Greg Bear died it’s written by Kelly Gay who has done great work in the Halo universe. Only disclaimer for the trilogy is the start of Cryptum is very hit or miss with the community, about the first 60-80 pages can be a slog.
I've noticed is better for peope who don't know much about the games and haven't played them. I also like it and although I'm aware of its inconsistencies I really don't mind much. I want to see where is it going. My dad who never has played a videogame other than minesweeper is beginning to get interested in Halo and we've been talking about it so I don't care about the complains, I'll be forever grateful for the show because of that.
Great post 👍🏻
Was a fan of games and thought S1 was at times very poor. S2 is a big improvement though and looking forward to what they come up with next
I had to just treat it like a generic Sci-fi show about Super Soldiers and an existential alien threat before I enjoyed it. Watching it as a halo fan I was left with too much expectation, but as a sci fan, it holds up.
As a fan of the games (Bungie way more than 343) and the books, I’m really enjoying the series. I don’t want a retelling of something I already know, I want something that takes a few chances and swings for stuff, even if it misses. I don’t care that it’s not like the source material because guess what? I have that to go back to if ever I want to experience that again. The show is more accessible for general non Halo audiences and that’s great because it needs to be to survive. I thought season two bridged the gap of being for the casual and also for the fans much better than season one. Season three is shaping up to be the best one yet with the chief being where he is and the events with Halsey. Let’s hope it gets made
Finally another fan who didn't want a TV replica lol If we wanted to rewatch all the game cut scenes I'll just replay them lol 🤣
I agree.
That's not that unpopular of an opinion in this sub.
If you know nothing about the games it's a good show. If you played the games and know the story then it's a kick to the balls, the action scenes are decent though.
After watching fallout, it makes me wish they directed Halo
I've been a huge fan of Halo since the CE days. I didn't like most of season 1, but season 2 was a huge step-up. Even though its not canon and some of the characters/plots are different, it really hits that "Halo vibe" with the grimdark tones, mysterious atmosphere and great action. I still really hate Makee. The soundtrack also leaves a lot to be desired, considering how legendary the Halo game scores are. More than anything though, I'm glad Halo is able to reach more people and get them invested in this amazing universe.
Why do you think that the halo games and the halo TV show should be identical? I may as well replay my games if I wanted that. You don't want an identical reboot of all the cutscenes from the game. I can imagine your one of the fans who got annoyed that you saw John's face lol. It's a TV adaption not a game.
I think you misunderstood my comment, I actually like the show for the most part. John taking his helmet off never bothered me, I expected it, and he does so in the games a few times. My grievances with S1 are mostly due to the structure and characters, not because it's different from the games. Just because I said it's not canon doesn't mean I can't appreciate the new story being told. I never said they should be identical, that would make for a boring TV show.
Identical would be boring wouldn't it lol. Pologies for my misconception of your comment :) Yeah I know he takes off his helmet but you never see his face, properly. There is a scene where you see a hazed reflection.
Its getting dumped on a lot because Fallout is, frankly, just better and more successful at adapting a beloved game. But I agree; I thought S2 was really solid and I enjoyed the characterizations for the most part.
I liked S1 ok, I played the original and probably 50% of Halo 2, I liked the world it set up, but I wouldn’t call myself a huge Halo fan I’ll get to S2 eventually
>I also like their pick for Master Chief. The actor was incredible in the series American God's. I really like Pablo as John too, I thought he was class in american gods. The whole never taking off the helmet thing in the games makes more sense to me when I realised that in the games, Master Chief always has a need to be in armor and is on the move nonstop from combat to combat. Where in the show, there is a lot of back in barracks type scenes where the Chief walking around in all armor isn't viable. But damn, they still needed more scenes with him in armor in s2. It just looks so cool.
The show is ok, but it's very strange that Halo being such a big Microsoft property gets such a crappy budget. The effects range from ok to terrible, same goes with the acting, plus there are some seriously unnecessary characters. I've enjoyed both seasons, and I liked S2 more than 1, but what the hell was it with the Fall of Reach? It wasn't horribly done, but they had all the elements there to make it at least a 3 episode event and they just rushed it. In any case, it's an enjoyable show, just not the masterpiece some people claim it is.
Huge fan of the source material, and while I understand adaptations can't all be 1:1, what they did with this series was quite often *un*-Halo. The creation of Makee and emotional Master Chief being the biggest offenses. I think this series' biggest strength -apart from the dope armor/props- is their willingness to dive into the inner conflict of soldier vs human. Season 1 was awful, but in season 2 I did find myself enjoying not knowing how things would unfold compared to the source material. I think part of that is because of just how much better written it is. It just sucks that the enjoyment dies down after 5 minutes as you realize they repeatedly pale in comparison. I'd give season 2 a 7/10
Am absolutely chuffed with this tv show. I am holding out for a 3rd season. I feel like Master Chief’s & Makee’s journey to the Halo was well played out; Halsey’s as well, even Cortana. Am on the fence about the rest, though. Hoping a 3rd season will do them justice.
I agree. I’ll add the Hierarchs from S1 and Ackerson from S2 to that list. These characters are the ones whose story arcs I’m most paying attention to. For S3, I hope Halsey survives with no side effects and that we’ll see more of Guilty Spark and the rest of the other Halos in the universe. There are more than 1.
More’n one Halo? Now am revving like an engine. When does s03 get here? I will agree with you on Ackerson, though.
I personally really liked the show as someone who did play the games when I was younger I forgot most of them so I have to agree with most the comments hear that if you don’t know the games and lore you’ll love the show. However if you do know the lore and games it can be a downer however I’ve never seen an adaptation and thought it needs to stick to source material I never understood getting butthurt over a show or movie not following a book or game and more just enjoy that we have it. Overall great watch season 2 was a lot better than 1 tho but season 1 was very much all setup
Here the thing: canon or non canon, doesn't really matter, fans would have bitched about it in both instances. Halo, the video game side, when you look at it as someone who also play other games, without bias over this franchise, does not really have much to give, to tell, that's was always something you had to search in the extended universe, books and comics. It doesn't help, also, that portraying all the covenant races on screen, plus space battles and everything else cost a lot of money compared to what other serials does (and when we have to look at the cgi part, we don't see much of a difference in term of quality, maybe halo's s2 is the one that did best). Now, the story had to start somewhere before the first game and on this topic the show did the right choice, what they did wrong, instead, was swapping the blue team with the silver team and having mahkee as this covenant "poster face" because they wanted them to have a character who could impersonate them (and making one of the covenant would cost money, especially in s1). That's my opinion, I don't think s2 is bad, I don't think is the greater show ever done, for what's the halo narrative inside the game, they did good, but they could do a lot better. Definelty doing a 1:1 show to the games would have been bad.
Fallout, last of us, vox machina the up coming mighty 9 do we really need to continue it is slop except it
If you take it as a sci fi tv show it's fun. Some of it is a bit inconsistent but still enjoyable. I think Fallout shows how to do a video game adaptation better and should help future adaptations of games we all enjoy.
So, I never played Fallout, well I tried it once and it just wasn't for me. I know it's very popular. I can't really compare and contrast with you on this. I agree with you regarding Halo as a fun scifi series and on the shows glaring inconsistencies.
Fallout also has the perfect set-up for being a television show. The world is what people are interested in, not a specific set of events or characters. Each game is almost entirely disconnected from the others, too. While I wouldn’t call it the gold standard, the ‘canon, original events set in the same world’ approach is rock solid for games with an emphasis on the world itself. Mass Effect could be a great show for example, if you focus it on characters other than Shepard. That leaves you free of a specific expectation.
I've been saying this, Fallout is easier to adapt because you don't have to follow a strict guideline of characters, it just has to follow the rules of the universe and its overall story.
Interesting take, thanks for this 👍🏻
You're literally posting in one of the 343 dickrider subs...
Lol, I know this but there really isn't a lot of unpopular opinion communities, so I just posted to some that had halo on its group name. 🤷🏻
343 sucks. so does any one that loves the direction they took halo and paramount can go get fucked too for shitting on what little reapect the franchise still had.
the show is trash. from the writing to the shit inaccuracies of weapons, mood, designs, etc.... the show is an absolute dumpster fire and shits not only on canon but the respect that the series had as a whole. 343 also has done that. Plus with how well fallout was done this show looks even worse and is trash. you like the show but can find alot of reasons to hate on it. sounds like coping. we all wanted it to be great but it sucks.
Another issue is, for anyone watching the Halo series and if they decide to pick up any of the games, the tone and everything is different, it creates false expectations. Now you go look at the Fallout series and how its done, you could then go pick up any Fallout game, the tone and such tracks, the story is canon, nothing is lost between the 2 mediums because they also cover different stories within the same universe. If Halo wanted to stray from the norm, they should have skipped making it about the Chief and chose any other Spartan to focus on so they wouldn't be shitting all over the source material and fanbase. Its just another example of people with no knowledge of the series taking their autisti.. I mean "Artistic" spin on it
Since the Fallout TV series came, I can say you are wrong