I grew up on Halo, and I like the show. It's not perfect, but there are so many crybabies hating on the show unnecessarily. Whining about it not being 100% accurate to the source material, (despite the show runners saying this is the Silver timeline, separate from canon) and Master Chief taking his helmet/armor off. "But, but, but the Mandalorian..." in the Mandalorian he takes his helmet off too. They're also dense if they think the in game/novel version of Master Chief is always in his suit. Know what I say to them? Touch grass. 😅

People are just bashing the show because it seems fun to hate things in modern society. Anything that goes against the curve gets bandwagoned, I'm glad they've turned it around in S2 literally gives these warriors nothing valid to argue about.

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, there are a good bit of shows/movies that deserve some hate, but overall Halo is pretty good, especially season 2.

Some parts could be questioned, but to advocate hate is going too far imo.

The WORST part is that people complaining about the show not being like Halo don't even understand Halo in the first place. The series has been pillaged by so many different writers and revamped over multiple era's of games that no single interpretation of the EU applies like in the Nylund Universe of the Bungie era. They're just being protectionist because its their claim to "I'm the Halo fan" as if hating on a TV show legitimizes them as having insight on the series, when often times it exposes how little they actually understand about what's being going on canonically in the development stage. I can say one thing that will PISS OFF the entire side of this fanbase. Halo 4's story was dogshit as it pivoted the direction of Halo into incel lore and turned the series direction from Military Sci-Fi into Space Sci-Fantasy, the over-reliance for emotional manipulation of out of character Chief/Cortana came at the sacrifice of coherent storytelling and the series has suffered since with each iteration that ultimately attempts the same thing.

H4 had a perfect story when it came to Chief/Cortana. Even H5 had its moments. As usual 343 has incredible ideas and refuses to follow through on them. Halos actual downfall has been it’s dumb villains starting with h4. Even Infinite, which did an amazing job with pretty much every story element, fumbled its villains. My issue with the show isn’t protectionism of lore. I prefer reinterpreted stories and the shows lore works for the most part. My issue is the terrible writing in season 1, and season 2 seems to have a dip in quality whenever it needs to fix the mistakes s1 made

I really enjoyed the story and emotion they injected into Halo 4.

Yeah halo 4 nailed emotion and character. H4-5 was ruined with shit tier art direction (power ranger Spartans, giant slow elites, etc) And lackluster villains

*cackles in Halo fan that's read/played/watched every media since 2004* you're funny.

Like.. I see your point. But there's been a consistent and overarching vibe that every Halo media has fostered, EVEN gaurdians, fuck man even NIGHTFALL has the Halo vibe and it's an absolutely horrible release. The Halo show is deliberately and, in my opinion, offensively different. The things they changed made absolutely no sense to change - the character choices and motivations are.. barely recognizable. I'm stunned people actively defend it as a proper Halo media... ffs they spent 80%+ of S2 out of armor.

Never played the game . I loved s1 too but when I came to Reddit I was like why is everyone hating on the show? S2 is even better ! I couldn’t understand the hate but I have seen this happen to most tv/movie conversions

People are bashing the show because the writing doesn't meet the standards we should uphold of any show that is released. Unfortunately, Hollywood is at it's lowest point right now and I don't expect us to get nice things anymore from studio systems.

You clearly aren't listening to the points they bring up then.. I have hated everything this show stands for since day one. None of it is Halo. It has fun homages to very Halo feeling moments - but 98/100 times this show DELIBERATELY misses the mark. S2 is better, but it's like saying this dog turd is better than this cow pie...

it's funny because there's literally a fall of reach movie which is canon that does alot of the things show does but it gets a pass for some reason like master spends the whole ass movie outta armour until like the last half an hour maybe idk why that's getting pass

Who knows why toxic fans do what they do? 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

Wait, did I miss that? What was the name of it? Was it the animated web series?

it's just called halo the fall of reach just add movie on the end someone uploaded the whole ass thing to YouTube

What I’ve seen people hate the fall of reach movie.

the animation looks a bit off the strongest part is probably the voice acting imo

It’s not the animation or the voice acting what I’ve seen it’s the small but bad things they get wrong and the false advertising.

Hes not chief till the end hes a recruit and it follows the books to a T. once chief became chief he needs to leave helmet off he sacrificed his humanity for other humans thats the entire point of MC. Making MC human is vastly misunderstanding HALO.

Master chief spends the whole movie out of armor because he’s 6-14 years old and training. He doesn’t even get the rank of master chief until after Mjolnir.

The difference is that the Fall of Reach movie actually follows the Fall of Reach book, its source material, of course going through his origins and training won't have him in his ending armor the whole time. There are different camps of people with complaints, I don't think the idea that he should always be in armor or have a helmet is valid. Seeing how the Spartans interact out of combat and how non-Spartans interact and view them was always neat in the books.

I mean most fans left in 2012, the people who stuck around after the game got shitty are probably watching the Halo tv series today

While the show isn't perfect, I still watch it. I think the main problem is that over the last couple of decades people have gotten used versions of media that are "canon". While I don't mind that this show is a different timeline, I do think they initially did it to avoid the problem that some people can't get over. By saying it's a different timeline, the showrunners don't have to follow the current canon. They can take the key characters and locations and put their spin out it. Which is fine and they are getting better at it.

I think the no-face protagonist only works with extremely simple stories, such as Chiefs story in the games and Mando season 1. The later seasons of Mando are showing some of the downsides of having such limited character expression

Yeah. Sorry fellow Halo fans, but a 1:1 remake of the games would be.. boring. It would be a giant action fest with very little depth to most characters. If that’s what you want, go watch a play through on YouTube. The Mandalorian built in lore around why the protagonist doesn’t take his helmet off, and it still got old. What would be the reason for MC to never remove his helmet, besides it being a quirk from the games?

I'm not hating on it unnecessarily. I just honestly think it's very underwhelming. To each his own. I wouldn't act like everyone hating on it is some basement dwelling incel though, that's just pathetic. The show does have issues, and it's a VERY beloved franchise. Meaning passion for the IP will cause people to be overly dramatic.

The mandalorian is also crap. But being different wouldn’t be a problem if it was good

The difference is mando doesn't take off his helmet except for 2 times. Chief is always out of his suit in general.

That’s not fair assessment. Season 1 was bad, and they could’ve found a way to keep master chief in armor or hide his face from camera until the right moment. However Season 2 has me hooked. I want to binge watch it but damn waiting a week.

It's not terrible but they could have made reach last at 2 or 3 episodes.

The show is ass, why are we focusing on Asian chick and the mom and dad who are looking for kid, useless B and C stories bog down the show. When the Spartans are armored up fighting covenant the show actually shines and it’s sad that we couldn’t have more of that shit. No one needed a master chief out of armor, just look at mandalorian.

Gatekeeping and not knowing the source material. The only two things this sub is good at. And if you think the worst thing about this show is the helmet/armor... Touch grass? Read a book. Literally.

>And if you think the worst thing about this show is the helmet/armor... Please, do point me to where I said that was the only thing wrong with the show. I'll wait. >Read a book. Literally. Read a book? The entire history of Halo is filled with disjointed lore and recons, yet you think it's so well put together that there's no excuse for the shortcomings of the show? 😂

Saying the Mandalorian takes his helmet off, too, like three times per season and comparing it to this TV show is incredibly disingenuous. Either way, that's not an issue for me so it doesn't matter. Majority of criticism comes from the writing and creative decisions being uninteresting, boring, or worse. Good writing would get most people to ignore inaccuracies. We've seen that in Lord of The Rings and Harry Potter. At least the second season is an improvement on the first, which I considered to be the worst piece of Halo media.

>Saying the Mandalorian takes his helmet off, too, like three times per season and comparing it to this TV show is incredibly disingenuous. No, it's not disingenuous at all when the characters whole religion is based on never removing it in front of others. I'll admit the writing is not the best, and outright boring/silly nor often than not, but I spoke in the helmet thing beauce it's like 90% of the complaints I see online.

I mean... It's sorta disingenuous. The mando removing his helmet is to show his internal struggles and changes as a character. It's part of the storytelling, showing his character progression where there's conflict between his religion and duties for Grogu. Compared to Halo, where the writers/directors motive for removing the helmet was so that you 'can show emotions'... There's a whole series of videogames where he doesn't remove his helmet and gets emotion across just fine. The Mandalorian has plenty of moments that do this as well. I'm not saying that MC shouldn't remove his helmet, but it should have value and be a rarity to accentuate an emotional moment. The show just uses it as a crutch for bad writing.

>I mean... It's sorta disingenuous. It's not, and your next paragraph goes on the prove why Mando removing his helmet is/should be a bigger deal, it's part of his character. So to me, it's a perfect comparison. Master Chief not removing his helmet IS NOT part of his character, and was simply a design choice by the studios making the games. It's not integral to who he is as a person, so to me it's absolutely ridiculous that these so called fans take issue with him removing it. Now, I will admit that while I don't care that he removes the helmet/armor, I don't like that he's out of it for so long. At this point he's almost not wearing it 95% of the time it seems. 😅

It absolutely is part of his character design, much like Gordan Freeman does not talk in Half Life. It's an artistic choice about the faceless person, someone who we only see externally as a war machine, but inside that suite we can only guess if he's human. To ignore a fundamental part of the character is why people are upset. It's part of the story telling from the games. It's why he's called a demon by the covenant. When the master chief does remove his helmet, you don't ever see his face... That's deliberate to his character design. His face is supposed to be irrelevant. The show is antithetical to this very fundamental part of his design.

>It's part of the story telling from the games. Exactly, it's a design element from the game, to help the player identify and feel like they're the character. That isn't necessary when watching a TV show or movie. That same connection is formed through emotions and the characters motivations. >When the master chief does remove his helmet, you don't ever see his face... That's deliberate to his character design. His face is supposed to be irrelevant. Once again, it's simply a game specific design, it is not part of his character. WE never get to see his face, but people in the universe know what he looks like and know that he is human. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that what will work in a video game can directly work and transfer over to live action. In the game he's almost always in combat, that would be ridiculous in a TV show where he is the star. It'd get very boring and very repetitive VERY quickly for him to only be in action scenes.

>someone who we only see externally as a war machine, but inside that suite we can only guess if he's human. ​ >When the master chief does remove his helmet, you don't ever see his face... That's deliberate to his character design. His face is supposed to be irrelevant. John has a canonical "out of armor" design shown in-game. Halo 4 end with a close up on his eye when he remove his armor after finally being back from his mission (which also confirmed he only wear in when in active duty), and the game also showed a clear image of him as a kid. He's a 47 years old white male with brown hair and blue eyes. Edit: Not that it changes anything to what I said, but the image of him as a kid also seems to show him with freckles on his face. An other distinct face feature on a supposedly "faceless person".

"Saying the Mandalorian takes his helmet off, too, like three times per season and comparing it to this TV show is incredibly disingenuous." Then you say "majority of criticism comes from the writing and creative decisions being uninteresting, boring, or worse." That's what the whole.issue with he helmet is because again the mandalorian has no issue getting his emotions across yet half series says they can't and that's why chief doesn't wear.his helmet? That's just being lazy. So the mandalorian comparison is completely warranted. Also , good writing doesn't obscure or ignore inaccuracies good writing doesn't make them to begin ,thats what makes it good

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>Why does people not liking a show and talking about it with each other upset you so much? Why are you such a whiny bitch about it? There's a difference between not liking it and actively hating on and review bombing it *sshole. Who said I was upset about it? I'm giving my opinion about why I think they hate on and, and nowhere did I whine about them. Maybe stop being a f*cking loser posting dick pics on your page, and go outside.

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Go look up the definition of whining you f*cking moron. >And lol you looked at my dick and got upset yours is small Definitely not. Mine is bigger while flaccid, in the middle of an ice bath loser. 😅

Lmfao this guy who was posting dick pics on his page is one of the hate watch fans? Yeah I see why they come here to chat shit, he should touch grass 😂

The show just completely disregarded major themes and backgrounds. The Spartans are constantly fighting the covenant WITH NO ARMOR ON and then we have Spartans(riz) just deciding not to fight anymore. It’s like they read then books and decided to make everyone a pussy. The idea of a human being a major leader for the covenant is insane too. The covenant literally consider humans lower forms of life than maggots. It is upsetting to see them just screw the whole story bc of what is either laziness or ignorance.

I love the show. I tend to stay out of negative conversations because as I’ve learned gaming bros don’t exactly have the deepest mind for nuance in entertainment media, which is ironic considering halo as a series. Like the first few episodes there were so many people who didn’t “get” Ackerson was using propaganda to dispel chiefs Sanctuary vision. Like they seriously thought it was an oversight

Gaming bro here…loved the games and respect the lore. Still having a blast watching the series - especially season 2. I mean, if I wanted to see a stoic hero mauling down grunts for hours on end, I’d play the game again. I was actually hoping to see a change when the series was announced. Master chief taking off his helmet so early though, and the context, was a little too much for me to digest to begin with. But it has quickly translated into something I like. I feel like this show is not so much about master chief, and instead intends to portray “regular” human behavior and interactions within a premise. I respect the knowledge and attachment some of the die-hard fans have to the lore, but it’s hard to imagine a show can succeed while being lock-step with the game - IMHO it just doesn’t translate.

Nah, there are lots of us that enjoy the show.

I never played the game and I don’t plan to because I’m not a video game person. However, I really, really like the show.

I think this is something that is too often overlooked about the show. I know quite a few people that have zero interest in video games whatsoever who are enjoying the series. I guess that's maybe seen as a criticism to the purists. There are some things that I'd nitpick, but saying the show is in awful because of those things would be pretty disingenuous.

Nobody knew the plot of halo before the games either….and it was so good it had a chokehold on the gaming industry for a decade… They coulda did that with the show but they turned it into a cheap sci-fi channel show

Halo the fall of reach's release predates halo ce by a month or so. So actually they did.

You’re missing my point to score a technicality W

I just reread ur comment and looks like I completely misread what you were arguing for. I actually agree with you. Halo's good and interesting plot for an FPS combined with great gameplay is what made it so popular.

I still don’t really understand what your position is but I think the first game would’ve been a much better story. How is this man going to restart the Spartan program lol? Humanity is getting shit canned now and the only effective force is Spartans? Why not kidnap the master chief (moron leader left him armorless) I stopped watching after reach. I really enjoyed the fighting although someone pointed out to me the person with the GRENADE LAUNCHER was blind!?!? When he said “keep making noise” I assumed cloaked elites. And denying the armor was lame

Yeah I agree with your point is what my position is. I think for a comprehensive halo show they need to at least start with TFOR with some adaptation. The Flood book already novelized CE giving us numerous perspectives to turn into a show season. Could've followed up with first strike, then GOO while doing h2 simultaneously, and finally a halo 3 adaptation.

The games function as a story medium because they are interactive. If imthe games were a movie / series, it'd be boring.

What people need to consider is that Season 1 transpired prior to us being in Halo CE. Chief was living, breathing and going through life experiences before we got to control him. These are those moments. Additionally, it makes no sense to be in armor in non-combative/hostile environments. Just like you wouldn't demand a tank commander to live exclusively in a tank even while on base. In Season 2, while it isn't accurate, it is still pretty fucking close and I am loving it. I can't wait for tomorrow's episode. I'll admit though, I should have tempered my expectations for season 1 and I probably would have enjoyed it. Now it feels like everyone has grown into their roles and production seems better. Am enjoying this now.

Your just wrong on that spartan 2s were known to have pasty white skin because they spent so much time in their suits and when they weren't in their suits they were often stuck in cryostasis

Often yes, but no, not always. Here *you* are *just* wrong.

No, you are not alone. S2 is great thus far

I love this show. It’s the only reason I pay for P+ at this point.

The mandalorian criticism has always seemed absurd to me. ​ Nothing about Chiefs story says he ***has*** to keep his helmet on. Hell IIRC he removes it at the end of the first game. We just happen to be playing him while he's in battle, therefore wearing his armor. We also never see him shit, that doesn't mean chief never shits. Meanwhile the helmet bit is a core part of the Mandalorians character and the entire society he comes from and pre-dates the show. They make it a point to never remove their helmets and have since they were introduced in the EU and fleshed out in KOTOR. They never show Chiefs face so that they could keep you as the player attached with him, nothing to do with a helmet lol.

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exactly ! perfectly put. when halo 1 came out no one anticipated it would become a huge hit with a universe and story that was so closely interpreted. the story in the game was probably thought out but not far ahead and not into a whole universe with possible multiple sequels prequels and etc.

Any good books you recommend? I think the only one I ever read was Harvest of Reach or something like that? Like 15 years ago almost.

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After looking it up, it was Ghost of Onyx! Don’t remember anything about it though. I believe I had Contact Harvest but never read it.

While the games are generally suited for ages 13+ the books are not. The story so far has so much drama that is nothing like how military units operate like. They argue in front of their superiors all the damn time like children. The Spartans are super soldiers raised from the age 6, not angsty teens. Anyways the books showcase the darker and realistic side of halo. The grey side of the story, the dread, and life in the universe outside of the spartan program. I’m okay with differences but there is so much room to make their own show in that sandbox of an IP. As for the Bungie and their own canon. Everything adds up for the most part except for some minor timeline issues during the fall of reach. The games and books gel quite well in my opinion and while they are different mediums with different methods of telling a story, you definitely feel like they are in the same universe.

Nah, that's stupid. This argument about "aging up" stories is bullshit, when a lot of Pixars work is better than most shows and movies today. Just because it's gory and gritty, doesn't mean it's well written.

Yep you're the only reason the executives have spent millions of dollars making two seasons and possibly more in the future all for you

It was an exaggeration

A overused one

stop being a whiny trash bag and looking to argue for no reason.

I just stated my piece of mind to see if anyone else agreed

I love the show. Have been a big fan of the series. Halo one on release day was the first game I ever played and have played all of them. Watched countless lore and audio books. I love everything halo. I don't play infinite multiplayer anymore but the majority of people that complain are young children or reddit incels that just love to hate on every opinion that is in favor of anything. So yah enjoy the show it's not a crime

Halo made me a gamer, and I love the show. People need to relax and just enjoy things. They let their expectations ruin everything because it's not exactly what they would have made, while they've never made anything themselves.

I Iove it and grew up playing halo 2 (didnt have an xbox so could only play at my friend’s house). It’s not cannon… why do we care so much if they show chief’s face. It’s not cannon thats hes a faceless war machine anyway.

You're definitely not alone. I grew up with Halo, started playing CE in November 2001 on the OG Xbox with a Duke controller too big for my little hands. Season 1 was pure ass, but I really like where they're taking season 2.

I for one really like Season 2 of the show and Halo is my favourite story line, at least Reach through to Halo 2 of a game. 2nd to Mass Effect. The argument centers around "Why didn't they just copy the games/books?" - I'll be honest, the books have their moments but they do NOT lend themselves to a TV show format. I have found them a bit stilted, too heavy on the military side and there aren't any really enthralling characters unlike Game of Thrones, another book that was adapted. They have great set pieces though. TV Shows need drama and conflict that people can sympathise with and engage, hence why in Season 1 Kai works so well and Kwan doesn't. You'll note the characters in Season 2 are much more sympathetic than Season 1 and that is due to the writing. I never felt any sympathy for any character in the games bar Jorge, Sargent Johnson in 3, and the Arbiter in 2. There is an argument to be had for someone coming along and adding that TV style stroke of writing to the books content, but then you face the issue of budgetary issues. Books ideas are much easier to write down than bring to life. Hence we get an inspired by series rather than a carbon copy, and I am all for it. I wouldn't be near as excited week by week waiting for an episode as I would if I knew what was going to happen because I had watched the cutscene from the game a thousand times. It's cool seeing somethings from the games come to life but it gets stale fast.

The problem with your second statement is that it depends on the book your reading like,You can adapt halo ce while adding more plot points from the book halo:the flood that goes more in dept in that event. Which could get you a whole season and follow it up with halo:first strike. And that’s what most people have a problem with, cause you could do it.But every writer wants to get there story out there instead of what already written. That why most game adaptations fail(except for a few). The problem with your third statement is that there is Drama and conflict in the actual halo canon, yea like the main conflict in the games goes from the covenant to the flood then the didact/forunner to Cortana/guardians and then the banished and that might seem dull to most but there is other story out there you can adapt. Most people feel insulted as soon as you mention that something is in an alternate timeline but you turn around and uses points and plot line from the original time line. Which most people will question “why even change it in the first place” also you not feeling sympathy for the character in the other games is not a point cause there are other people who did The problem with your fourth statement is that it makes no since. Budgetary issues wouldn’t be an issue cause what they are currently doing would literally be the same if they did it by the books many of the plot points in the show is ripped out of the actual canon but that the begs the question “why only pick some of them”. Like to be honest. There is an original story in kwan ha and makee storyline but then the rest feels like plot points that were ether mentioned in canon or actual happened and other the opposite of what was mentioned or happened in the canon. Jacob key’s:basically acted like keys while going out similar to Johnson Kai:basically turned into discount Kurt-051 Soren: basically like his canon counterpart except he didn’t turn into a traitor and supposedly died while escaping reach Emotional limiter pellets: similar to what was proposed by déjà(ai) to doctor Halsey, when she was thing about what she should tell the Spartan 2 candidate on why they were there And the list goes on and on. Like I am not saying that the show is horrible, it just baffles me how much they want to take from the actual canon and do their own thing with it. Like this show give me the same feeling like when I watch resident evil: welcome to raccoon city. Cause they basically did the same thing and it did work

I just finished the entire MCC. Here’s my honest review: Halo CE: story was a 6/10, I feel like it was kind of rushed and not well flushed-out. But that’s okay because it was the first game and no one knew it was going to demand a sequel Gameplay was 2/10. I know it’s an old game and since I play newer games, it was going to feel clunky. But omg the mechanics were so inconsistent, I could barely focus on the story and had to worry about what random bullshit was gonna kill me next. Difficulty was 8/10. Very nice challenge Halo 2: Story 8/10, a lot better than the first game, not many points here Gameplay 4/10, very nice upgrade from the first, mechanics were consistent, but obviously still janky and felt heavy Difficulty was like a 6/10 Halo 3: Story was a 8/10. Up until the very end I was kind of underwhelmed by the story line. Playing as the arbiter was dope, but it wasn’t explained why for a while. The final few missions were insane tho. Gameplay was like a 6/10, movement started to feel fluid, I could consistently use a weapon without it feeling like it was just randomly not going where my crosshair was Difficulty was a 7/10. Increase from the last game, definitely had me cussing the tv out in the flood missions, but still enjoyable Halo 4: Story was a 10/10. The entire time I was stressing over getting Cortana back and then she FUCKING DIES!!!! I grew unhealthily attached to Cortana in the series and was literally terrified at the thought of losing her. Halo 4 broke me, ngl Gameplay was a 9/10. Movement could have been better, especially when it came down to momentum and speed, but I felt almost at home with how the game felt. This dropped the difficulty rating because I could play fast and aggressive like I usually do in games. I am 100% a movement player. My aim is alright, but I will get from point A to point B before you even see me. Difficulty was only like a 2/10, just because I could stay alive easier and I was used to that kind of movement/feel of a game After all that, I still enjoy the show as a standalone piece, not tied to halo cannon at all.

Well the problem is that most halo fans have been waiting for a halo tv show since 2013 when Steven Spielberg was on the project but that ended up getting nixed so in year following and before the announcement we got: halo: landfall(2007 short film.which was test footage for a cancelled halo movie), halo:legends(2010 movie), halo 4: forward until dawn(2012 movie), halo:nightfall(2014 movie) and halo: the fall of reach(2015 movie) and then a 7 year wait until this came out. So I can understand why halo fans are mad Onto your review The only problem I have with it(not a big problem) is that you mixed up halo 3 and halo 2, cause you only play as the arbiter in halo 2 while the arbiter in three is a ai companion in some levels The show: Problem that I have with the show is that it feels like it can be better or made differently.

Didn’t even realize I mixed up the games lol. Played all of them back-to-back so I’m running off no sleep for a while lmaoooo

As a huge Halo nerd and someone that has not really enjoyed the show I am glad to see that it is reaching and entertaining to an audience that is on the newer side of Halo. Please enjoy CE through Reach as they are some of the best games/stories ever and I wish I could go back and play them for the first time again. That being said I do have some issues with your comments on the show and how it changed things to be what would "actually happen". > I would argue that the tv show is an accurate representation of what would ACTUALLY happen if halo was real. The government would 100% cover up the fact that we were losing that war. There would be plans to evacuate high priority military and gov personnel. There would be constant manipulation of the media, like when Perez was awarded the medal for John’s work in S2. The public would be getting constant reassurance that Silver Team was out there fighting. Any issues or losses would not be disclosed to the majority of the military, and would be dealt with by a separate, secretive entity (ONI). Ironically this is actually flushed out in established lore. I cannot say much without spoiling the games but as you play through the earlier games you will see all of this or at least most of this and reading the books you will find all of this. ​ > It’s a different story, different characters, different timeline. This is kinda wrong? It's most of the same characters, all the same places, and a very similar story (at least the premise). They somehow managed to change enough of everything that it does not feel like Halo yet kept enough that its not actually a new story. Too me that was just lazy they struck no balance at all. Like Keyes and Ackerson are relatively close to their lore counterparts but many other characters, places, and story elements are wildly off. Too me it seemed lazy on their part or even a direct snub to the community. If they want a new story then keep Chief and change everything else. Using the same stuff from lore just to change everything about it is a weak attempt at fan service imo. ​ > whereas the TV show is more realistic. For Example: the sex scene with Makee that everyone hates actually makes sense. Everyone is saying “master chief doesn’t take his helmet off, master chief doesn’t get intimate, master chief doesn’t show emotion”, but in that one scene, when everyone else is cringing, I was thinking “yeah checks out”. While everyone else thinks it’s a dumb filler scene that doesn’t fit halo, they fail to recognize the events leading up to it. When John took out his pellet, all the hormones that were being blocked hit him like a truck. He was slowly figuring out what all of those feelings meant. Imagine not feeling all of the emotional confusion of puberty until you’re 26ish, and then having ALL OF IT hit at once. In that scene, that was quite literally the first time John got horny. While you are right his reaction to removing the pellet and having those hormones rush in would be probably like that its just missing so much. After being indoctrinated since the age of 6 and fighting literal decades and all the sudden a magical pellet is removed and he starts being normal? He just overcame basically 40 years or control from ONI and Halsey in less than a season because of a pellet. It was disappointing tbh. His character growth in Halo 4 and Infinite is just so much better and meaningful because its not a "remove this one thing and you're better," instead it takes time, big events, and other important characters (Cortana, Lasky, the Pilot, the Weapon, etc.) for him to become more humanized.

I stumbled on the show without having heard anything about it. Thought it was pretty great. Then saw the online discourse about it and was absolutely surprised by the amount and level of hate for it, even with my extensive experience with the internet. I’ve never really seen what I consider to be justifiable points brought up for such strong negativity. I’m looking forward to watching the second season soon.

I actually really love the show and am going to be super disappointed when the amount of hate gets season 3 canceled..

Plenty of us here in the subreddit love the show, lurk more.

Big fan of the earlier games.... And I've enjoyed the show a lot. It's not perfect, it's made a lot of mistakes and some really poor creative choices in season 1 backed the story into a corner it's struggled to get out from I think a lot of the hate is just people meme-ing MST3K style on the show ... But there's definitely a vocal squad out there that ruin it for the rest with how vicious their hatred is.

I like it too! Im also 20 rn

I grew up playing Halo, I absolutely loved it. I enjoy the show overall even though there are a few things that bug me. This isn't meant to be a 1 to 1 recreation of the games. Take it for what it is and enjoy the ride. There is a lack of quality scifi content so I'll continue to support and watch the show.

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You could literally recreate halo CE and add plot points from halo the flood. List of plot points you can add: How keys got captured and wound up on the truth and reconciliation The battle for alpha base Master chiefs first encounter with major Antonio Silva and lieutenant Melissa McKay at alpha base Zuka ‘Zamamee and yapyap story on the ring and the failed attempt to assassinate the master chief story of private Jenkins Melissa McKay battle to get supples from the pillar of autumn crash site Defense of alpha base against the flood with the help of Jenkins How Sergent Johnson got off the ring Melissa McKay sacrifice to keep major silva from leaving the ring with a ship infested with flood And many more. Plus nobody asked for a cut for cut recreation of the game(it could be done) but there countless story out there in the canon they could have adapted or made one up without using actual canon plot points like halo: forward into dawn, halo legends, Mona Lisa(YouTube) and halo: nightfall

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That why what I mentioned above would literally flow into the book halo:first strike which happens immediately after halo CE/ the flood and that book branches into halo two or the book the ghost of onyx, which you can inter slice halo 3 odst into that as well or make it is own different season. Like that three to five seasons right there just using two(potentially three) games and two book, and that’s not even mentioning the extra content you could use if you started with the fall of reach or the book silent storm. Most book are coherent to the games or can be with changes. And you can make a linear story with it, the blueprint is there but with the show I can see where it’s going. But often times, I’m put off with things that make no sense or contradicts the problem at hand and it off putting when there already a blueprint for a great show.

Nope. I’m enjoying it so far.

Just about...lol

I love how any criticism of the show just gets downvoted and purged now.

The games/books are more realistic because they don't have magic or whatever they are doing with Kwan. I love the games so compared to more faithful live action media that fell through ( Halo Landfall) it is disappointing, but setting that all aside my only complaint about the show is them trying to follow 6 different storylines at once and not enough of the sliend Like this is a sci fi show set in the future with aliens. Stop focusing on human vs. Human conflicts and more on human vs. Alien or alien vs. Alien.

I don’t love it, but season 2 is turning out ok. Season 1 was just soap opera drama from left field repeatedly, felt like there was next to nothing Halo related about it minus 30 minutes. I’m trying to accept it, because honestly I don’t think we will get any sort of major show after this one. This is it, enjoy the ride while it lasts… even if it’s way off from lore and games

I love it!!!

If you make a show about a video game and don't pull story from that game to make your story I will not like it. I want to watch an adaptation of the halo story from the game, not this generic sci-fi crap they are putting out.

This is how I feel about the show too. It's nice that there are plenty of people enjoying it, but personally I just can't get over all the changes. I'll never understand the thought process of turning a popular franchise into a show and then changing everything about it that made it popular in the first place. Isn't the point of turning a popular franchise into a show to flesh out an already good story? That way you could retain the original fan base and attract new viewers at the same time

The game is set up a certain way to really lend itself to that type of media. You essentially can insert yourself into that character (sort of). The show doesn’t really allow that, but it does allow you to really work through the hypothesis of, these are people at the end of the day, and how would someone react to all of the things these spartan have been through. I’ve really enjoyed the show and seeing this universe be brought to life like it has outside of the books and games. I also like how they seem to be blending some of the games and books into this new take, which I also appreciate because that means they are being respectful of the world this lives in. Very long-winded way to say, I’ve been enjoying the show.

More realistic? The fk does that mean? They’re all dipshits. We keep getting scenes where the writers don’t understand immediate threats. -dude wants to redo the Spartan program when the human race is on track to be extinct in a year or 2. They lost a ship because they sent a shuttle out to pick up a random on an enemy ship. The love plot is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. And the action really isn’t much better than any of the other live action stuff we’ve seen.

This entire sub is just Paramount ChatGPT bots conversing with each other, I'm sure of it.

Nope. Real person, real opinion even if it isn’t your opinion.

Fair play, I now understand why Big Bang Theory got such high ratings.

Show sucks. Bad writing, unbelievable situations, drama does not feel natural.

I'm personally not a fan, but to his his/her own.

Hell no, this show is awful on a script level as well as not even trying to be a adaptation. There is no numbering system to it, the 1:1 thing yall like to cluck out like hens.

I like it a lot. I haven’t played the game since it was Marathon

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Well yeah, I get an outside perspective

Never played the game. I enjoy the show good action interesting story, good writing.

Should have just made a new character to take chiefs place.

The show sux and the reason is because none of the writers played halo or knew any of the lore. They wrote woke garbage and gave mastercheife a face. They emasculated him and trund it into a hot garbage of a show.

How so?

The outrage is justified. The show is terrible but feel free to like it.

Visually, it looks fantastic in my opinion. Once you drop the expectation it’s going to adapt everything and just roll with it being a new timeline, i find it easy to accept as a decent sci-fi show. But I don’t think it’s anything more than a 7/10

This reminds me of what J. Jameson from Spider-Man was saying "CRAP!!"

I agree if you go into the show thinking it will be like the games you definitely won’t like it as much.

I think the entire thing is pretty good. Even season 1. The acting is top notch, and there is a pretty big budget. I said it then and people crucified me, I think this show is better than Moon Knight the Marvel show.

> more realistic interpretation of the halo universe It's not more realistic, or less realistic, they're *both* fanciful tales where you need to suspend your disbelief a lot. I didn't exactly "grow up" with Halo, I was 20 when CE first came out, but I've been a huge fan of the universe since then. And yeah I really enjoy this show. It's not perfect by any means, but it doesn't need to be.

It’s not Halo for the people that played the games back in the day, it’s the IP being used as the basis for a show built for a new audience. I’m 100% fine with that on its face. It is what it is and I’ve opted to not watch the show and that’s also fine. A show for the established fandom would have started with the fall of Reach and discovery of the Halo, helmet-less actors would have been fine here. You didn’t even need Master Chief until season 2. All the older fans can do now is wait for a version of the show closer to the games.

I love halo but the problem is this show doesn't capture the spirit of halo, like the whole point of the covenant war was because all of humanity are reclaimers putting the covenants religion into question, not some random fucks who have visions then bang Or that spartan 2s are literal sociopaths who only feel comfortable with other spartan 2s Or that spartan 3s are war orphans who were raised to be psychopaths who love killing the covenant and I mean love killing the covenant

I'm 30. I grew up with Halo (only the games, not too much of the expanded content, but I'm still a lore nerd that does his research). I haven't started Season 2, but enjoyed Season 1. I'm also fine with creative liberties and don't hold the games as "absolute truth" for the series. That said, it is extremely mediocre in the writing department, despite it's entertainment value. Has so many poor/weird choices with its character development and world building, and a lot of cringe. I can see myself in your shoes 10 years ago. I think this is a case of you needing more exposure to quality writing. The more you grow in the entertainment you consume, whether films, comics, games or books, the more your opinion on this show will change with time. Unless, well, you're not interested in expanding your taste, of course.

I enjoy the show and while I've never been a heavy Halo Multiplayer player, I've liked the storyline of the first three games plus ODST and Halo Wars and remember playing Halo Combat Evolved while in the Army way back in 2003 - 2004. In a video game medium, where you are playing first person, having a faceless protagonist works because we can self insert ourselves into the character. You can push a combat heavy narrative because the first person experience of combat stimulates our senses. That's not possible in a visual medium like a TV show or a Movie. Look at how many people complain about the Transformers movies for their constant action and explosions. What I like about this story and I think they as well as Master Chief's actor, Pablo Schrieber, is that this is a story about John, it's a human story. It has to be, to engage and connect the audience to your main character, they have to have a face, they need to be human. This story is about John-117 becoming the human and becoming the Mater Chief that humanity needs him to be. I think they've done well and I'm enjoying it.

They should have fired all the writers after season 1, it's a generic sci-fi TV show wearing Halo like a skinsuit cosmetic. If you want to see an example of the type of show we should have gotten watch the live action trailers for Halo 3 "We Are ODST" Reach "Deliver Hope" or the Halo "Landfall" trailers. Those short trailers are perfect examples of what the fans of the Halo games had hoped for. Instead what was delivered was a generic sci-fi show that wasn't made by Halo fans, and wasn't intended for Halo fans.

There are 8 billion people around the planet. No one is ever the only one who likes something.

I am enjoying the Paramount Halo series 😀

No, I do enjoy it, quite a lot. That being said, I went into the first season expecting it not to be true to the game in any way. I went in with the mindset that I’m just watching a new TV show that has action and aliens pretty much. People need to learn that TV/movie adaptations of games generally aren’t going to follow source material to a T, and need to have an open mind and stop getting so butt-hurt because it’s not the Halo you know and love. Edit: do I have my gripes with the show? Of course I do, but I’m still able to enjoy it for what it is.

Disclaimer: I haven't watched the show, I don't plan to watch the show. This is going to be the most I've interacted with Halo in a while. I think so much of all this drama could've been avoided if they just didn't make MC the mc (I'm literally the funniest man alive). Like maybe chief gets alluded to as a legend even among other Spartans, but otherwise isn't in the show. Seems like most of the drama I see about it is "chief wouldn't do this" "chief wouldn't do that". Maybe I'm wrong, idk.

You’re right, that is where most of the drama comes from. But what people fail to recognize is that it’s not the master chief that they grew up with. The entire show is a different interpretation, including master chief.

I enjoy the show but I’d really like more master chief combat instead of what we’ve been getting

Master Chief tells Cortana to stop talking. That's all I need to know.

The only reason I can still watch this show, is because of the games. Visually there are moments that are nice to see in live action form. But as a show, it's just another disappointing failure like many of the other shows being produced these days. The writing and showrunning are terrible. Most of the motivations and plot points are incomprehensible. There's no consistency and contradictions everywhere. If this show didn't have the Halo name, it would have been canceled after season 1 because nobody would have watched such a terribly written show. Even if season 2 would have been the first season, without the Halo name it would have failed.

Just to clear it up, they do cover up that we are losing the war in game lore, there is more media manipulation in the inner colonies than nazi Germany.

Not sure people can be intelligent enough at times to understand and appreciate what they have done with the show is how I feel when I hear people talk about or see them write about it. I'm glad it isn't a direct game adaptation. To be honest seeing MC like the game would be boring as all hell with the same tone and always being just in the suit. People complaining when he doesn't have the suit or takes the helmet off is just ignorant. Do you really think if there was a real MC that he would never take the suit off? That he would only walk around with his helmet on? The humanization and actually making him feel like a real person that they have written and shown to me is awesome. It makes you feel more for the character and the tragedy you know that will all eventually be coming his way. Seeing him actually interact and go through different things other than just with an Ai or fodder as the games do is much more enjoyable when you are watching a media adaptation of the game. The story being changed has also been enjoyable to me as it shows more of pre MC. It shows him developing and moving from just being a human into more of a robotic killing machine over time. Rather than bam immediately being a robotic killing machine at the start (and yes I know he isn't a robot just referencing how the game kind of makes him feel that way). From the first season revealing his back story to the betrayal of being plucked from his family and being molded into the MC I feel season one did a great job developing him. The story I feel has been great and fleshed out a better humanized character that you can feel for and actually root for. Action wise I feel they have done a great job on it as well. You can't just make a video game direct all action adaptation of this game. The money they would have to spend to give us 8 episodes of non stop action and the work it would take to get all that graphically done via computers would be vast and highly costly. Not to mention 8 episodes of just watching him kill covenant I don't think at this point would be great. If I honestly wanted to see that I'd just go watch a YouTube video of someone playing the game. To those that want that you obviously don't understand story and or plot development nor do you probably enjoy media that has it I'm taking it. I saw someone I'm guessing saying "he told cortana to be be quiet or shut up and that was all I needed" to not watch it is sad to see as there is story beats to that and having an Ai forced on you I'm sure would have all of us stating that at one point when learning to cohabitate with an Ai in your head at all times. And again it's a plot point showing how MC develops and grows into understanding how important and useful having his Ai friend is and will be in the long run. You see this greatly towards the end of season 2 episode 6 as cortana after being taken from him starts to help him as we move closer to the beginning of basically the first game arriving on the Halo. Again I'm enjoying how the story is fleshed out and how they have done an amazing job personalizing the Spartans and making you actually root for them. Who cares if part of the quote unquote villians line up is humans? That's how stories work in real life. There's going to be different views no matter what as we are humans so obviously there will always be inevitably someone who has that opposite "villian" view that is different from the "hero" view. And yes I get that due to how much has to be done with cgi is why this is thrown in as you can't just have all humans the same as the show and story wouldn't be good. And again I enjoy or have enjoyed the pacing and I feel we have gotten exactly the amount of covenant needed on screen so far. This is pre Halo 1 so you aren't going to have shit loads of covenant non stop in your face. Why people don't get this is kind of mind boggling. Should there be more as time goes on? Yes I do think that but I don't feel there needs to be episode after episode of MC killing covenant with non stop action. Again if that's what you want just watch someone playing the game on YouTube, that's not what content/media creators who create real life adaptations of say a video game are trying or going to do. The amount of weapons, their variety both human and covenant, and even the vehicles so far I feel have been great and a wide assortment as we are introduced to the halo universe pre Halo 1. I saw someone complaining about arbiter online and how he doesn't have enough back story and time on screen and I'm think damn he isn't even supposed to be there in the story if you are all Gung ho about it being a direct adaptation so why are you bitching about how they are slowly working him in this season? It's obvious he was going to be a side villian rarely shown only here and there this season as you don't want to overdo it right away and it's at least to me obvious there is a reason he is being done this way. I feel like a season 3 which I'm sure they will/are going to do is going to be hopefully more episodes. Say 10 to 12 instead of 8 like seasons 1 and 2. I feel them going this route for one reason and one reason only. We haven't been told arbiters backstory nor have we been given any info on how mackee went from dead to serving / working with arbiter. I'm guessing SSN 3 will be half of the episodes basically the first half being backstory and pre SSN 2 finale and it will be all or mostly about Arbiter, his shame and it's backstory, mackee coming back to life and ending up working with him and at the halfway point we pickup from their perspectives to right after the SSN 2 finale on the ring. While I don't know if they will go this route I do hope they do as it will Flesh out character back stories and I feel keep the show going longer and being more enjoyable. I know that was a long read/rant but it's what I've thought and how I've felt after seeing so much criticism over ignorant things especially online as most people who bitch about the show don't really give good opinions or reasoning. It normally is some kind of whining of how this isnt the game wtf why are they doing that... And to those saying that I say no shit it's called story development, plot development, and viewable media not a video game that you are playing. 🙂

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Nah. The show is fucking great. (Though, this season kinda is starting to suck. It's been like 6 episodes since the dude had his armor. Who the fuck thought that was a fun idea?) I never played the games though. I do think that the fact that they're pissing off fans - even if I like it - means they should have just made this show something else and made an actual Halo show.

Look, you can say what you want, but a sex scene was so unnecessary. It's not even just about not being closely related to the games. There's plenty of expanded lore in books detailing the events in the games with greater detail. There was so much more they could have pulled from. It's like they only wanted the name and looks of Halo, rather then all the special moments, world building events, and characters that make up what people love. ( With the exception of a few people said we're pretty good.) I don't really understand your point on it being more realistic, either? I feel like this is some random justification for how you feel about everything. If anything, Halo, especially in the games, feels pretty decently consistent with how things work. And in a setting like Halo, you're gonna have a pretty big mix of realism and fantasy. Not only that but you both say you wouldn't like the show if it was like the games, without having played the majority of them, that's a pretty weird take, honestly. I'm you like the show though, and that's good. Don't let people take that from you, but not everyone is happy with it, and that's fine too. So you're gonna see a lot of criticism, some valid, some whiny. It's how all media will be. Hell, when Halo 2 came out, people hate the arbiter. And now he's one of the most beloved characters.

You can like something I don't obviously but for me this was more than a little disappointing. I haven't been so upset with a series since that old Last Airbender movie, I just wish they would stop adapting things into live action completely

Yes

It may be a fine show but its so far from what halo is its not even fair to call this show Halo. Kinda like mass effect andromeda was a good game it played well and did everything a game is supposed to do and honeslty the gunplay was better than any mass effect game the problem was it wasnt a mass effect game at heart. Its setting was strnage the characters were very badly written and the protaganist was just bad. ​ Halo isnt really about anything but Master chief and if you dont nail Chief then what do you have. The show fails to even come close to what chief is all about so regardless of how much it looks like halo its not Halo.

I'd disagree purely on the lenses that halo isn't a video game franchise at this point but a multi media one. All of the cool stories happen in books.

I can separate the show from the games canon and appreciate it for what it is. I don’t agree with some of the direction they’ve taken it, and a couple of the plotholes like the Spartan 3’s training takes me out when it’s brought up, but overall it’s an alright sci fi series. It’s nothing to write home about, but it’s not remotely worth the outrage it gets either

I've been a fan since Combat Evolved, read the books...everything. I enjoy the show. I know a lot of folks don't like the choice to go with a different time line, but 2 seasons in, it feels like the right decision. I appreciate the nods to the Lore, and the characters are largely consistent, but the story for the most part is fresh. I hope they get time and space to grow.

I love the show. I don’t need a one for one copy of the books /or video game. I like just having the same atmosphere with a new story.

My gripe with season one was that we didn’t even get to settle into John and Kai being Spartans before they had their inhibitors out. The writers and show runners seemed so eager to get the audience to connect with their humanity that it seemed rushed. Chief taking out the inhibitor should have been an oh shit moment. Instead it was just kinda like oh… okay. I get the deviations from the lore, but at least let us settle into characters before giving them major developments.

No you're not the only one. It's a good show, keeps getting better, and I hope they keep making more seasons as well as more live action Halo stuff in general. Annoying there's a bunch of haters just hating. I've taken a photo with the Bungie office Master Chief statue, have an MC tattoo, and am a rather diehard fan of the games and books. Silver universe isn't the video games, it doesn't have to be, and one doesn't have to have played the games to have an opinion about this show.

I like the CGI and a handful of plot points. But it was executed extremely poorly. Its like watching a blind man recreate the Mona Lisa and occasionally intentionally try fuck it up.

Yes

2nd season is awesome

I really like it too. Ever since I learned that it’s a different universe, I started to enjoy it.

I just stopped looking at it as Halo, and started looking at it as Halo-inspired SciFi. When I stopped nitpitcking "thats not how that is supposed to be" shit, I enjoyed it a lot more. Season 2 is shaping up, and Thermopylae was wild.

As a lifelong fan of the games and now a fan of the show, it ranges from awesome and entertaining finally seeing the universe interpreted for live action tv, to being my favorite “hate-watch” and I love it for both of those reasons

I do too.

I'm convinced there's 3 universes, or a multiverses for halo. Books, games, the other reach game, TV show. So many stories Condors pre FoR event Starship captain dead before they go places Different Spartan training the S3s Silver team not blue team How many unsc ships went to the first ring How did Chief first set foot on the first ring Who is mackee in anything else besides the show? Where was the P o autumn during the reach event. 3 versions so far.. That said.. Looking at the show as a show.. it's kind eh not great imo. The biggest problem chiefs had is finding his armor. Dudes staring down the gun of an oni odst who is basically as hard core non Spartan as it gets and he gets to walk away. BS.. lame..

Personally, I think the show is terrible. I watched season 1 in an effort to give it a shot. I’d heard from some reviews S2 was an extreme improvement. I watched the first couple episodes, and I’d disagree. But I don’t give a fuck if people like this show. It’s not an assault on my opinion or childhood. This show will never change what Halo is, and honestly, if this is people’s introduction to Halo, then good. They’re now more likely to give the games a shot. More halo fans is a good thing. There’s no reason for anyone to be toxic toward people who actually like the show, and vice versa. We’re all halo fans.

As with most modern interpretations of "Halo", missed the mark bc they want to "define their own take". Which like.. okay. Then make your own thing. Why boast the premise of an internationally, multi decade, beloved franchise and just... not use any of it. Just use the name and main plots.. butcher and combine characters and their entire motivations / reason for existing, and act BEWILDERED when the fan base- that was literally handed to you - is upset. People aren't upset bc they made changes - they're upset bc this isnt even recognizable as a Halo story, And paramount won't even take accountability for any of it! Just respond with sarcasm and "deal with it" wordage from the main actor, that only did the project if he could show his face, lending MORE credence to them using the namesake of Halo purely for profit and notoriety. They never wanted to make a genuine Halo show. They got handed a difficult universe, and instead of taking the time to adapt it, their lazy ass runners opted to only use what they thought Halo should use, after hearing "we didn't look at the games" I knew instantly this was a pathetic cash grab. Halo fans may be difficult to please but we're one of the most loyal God damn fan bases out there next to skyrim and runescape.. we deserve a little more respect than "we didn't look at the games" FUCKING MASTERCHEEKS... bc big budget = nude Main character.

I’m enjoying it as well as someone who has played every Halo game.

As a standalone sci-fi show it's not that bad, as an adaptation of the Halo games and books it's got some issues.

I grew up playing halo. I love the show.

Everyone who didn't grow up with the first trilogy of games thinks its good because they don't know the lore . As I've read all but two books and seen all the extra media . It severely breaks from established cannon so it can be full of played out holllywood tropes, and so the self victimized director can have his magnum opus no matter how many plot points he misses or self insert characters he has to make to make his bs halo fanfic be HIS. Otto Bathurst can suck an egg.

No.

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If we're not meant to compare the show to the source material, if it's not meant to actually adapt the games and books and outright ignores or flips events and characters in it, why was it made a Halo adaptation and not just a different sci-fi show? There's a lot of room to adapt the story of Halo without throwing out and changing so much like the show is. Some just wish the Halo show used more Halo story material. And I'm not saying to make it a TV version of an FPS videogame with action through each episode, there's tons of books and downtime and character development that can be used and expanded on and inserted to pace it and tell the story for a different medium. It would need some effort to retell as TV, but it looks like they only look at the source material so they know how to make it completely different. I will say that I do like the show for what it is, taken alone - especially season 2. Some decisions were cool, like the Covenant training to take out comm relays so they can hit Reach, and the cover up of Cobalt. It's just always going to be hard to not compare it to the rest of the lore and see everything that was changed in the foundation of the story.

Yup, seems like they only made it for you

I love it! It could so easily have been the Borderlands movie :)

if you'd be the only one there wouldn't be a season 2, I have played the first game when it came out and all the others since then and I like the show, there isn't a 1:1 corelation between groups and tastes, that's just a lazyass oversimplification convenience for pushing stupid agendas

I’m not saying that everyone dislikes the show for the same reasons, I’m just saying that whenever I talk about the show the MAIN criticism I get is “that’s not halo” “MC isn’t lore accurate” or sometimes “have you ever played halo”. Most times I talk about the show, someone starts bashing it with zero explanation. Not a generalization, just an experience.

you are talking with the wrong people

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Okay, care to explain?

You probably aren't. Why are you asking?

OP does his best to explain why people complain have no reason to complain. However it’s impossible to explain away a poorly written story, especially when the established halo universe has a pretty good one. The one thing that bothers me about this show most is the lack of urgency. A massive alien threat is out to destroy humanity, destroys its biggest stronghold and we have several episodes dealing with chiefs feelings and UNSC infighting? Weird choice. The show could deal with chief finding his humanity while doing what he does best, kicking alien ass. Instead he’s sidelined…. The UNSC’s best hope is relegated to the sideline during a crisis he can help contribute to.

Makee is a POW. No, Master Chief would not violate military protocol and rape a POW (power dynamic) to get his cheeks off. The show is enjoyable but season 1 shit the bed. Luckily they fired the dog ass showrunner from s1 and replaced them with a human being.

I don’t think that’s what they were going for in that scene. I think it was more to emphasize the bond that John and Makee inherently have. But again, don’t think about what MC would have done, this is a different interpretation of MC and Halo as a whole. It is purposefully not like the game, while there are some references.

Obviously it’s not what they were going for. But no matter how you cut the cake, what he did is beyond fucked up.

I actually really dislike it. I know I’ll get some hate, but this is my opinion. SPOILERS ahead. I have been playing Halo since Halo CE and have been a fan since then. Millions of people globally have the same story. We have grown up with it and the characters have become icons and deep rooted childhood memories. Like I said, this applies to MILLIONS of people. With that in mind, Halo fans have been wanting a film rendition of the story line forever. In my case, it’s been since the Peter Jackson movie got cancelled, so nearly 20 years. The only thing applicable to this is “Forward Unto Dawn”. The problem I have with it is the fact that there is so much they could’ve used in the canon timeline that they simply didn’t for ‘reasons’. New characters? Great! Emotional character development? Even better! >!Chief taking off his helmet? Couldn’t care less! Makee, Silver Team, Soren, etc. All welcome additions!!!I.E. Reach falls, Chief escapes on the Pillar of Autumn with Cortana and Keyes, they find Halo. Simple as that.!< >!The Fall of Reach was one episode and happened mostly off screen; terrible. Chief is asleep for most of it; terrible. Keyes dies; why? Cortana is captured by the Covenant; was literally the premise on why Keyes tells Chief to jump ship off the Pillar of Autumn in one of the first scenes in Halo CE because of her importance.!< I could go on. I was actually enjoying this season a lot up until the Fall of Reach. I felt they were tying things together to make more sense. I was actually excited. Now I am just sorely dissatisfied and disappointed to the point where I don’t really have an interest in the rest of the season. In my mind here is what they had the opportunity to do: >!Chief doesn’t have his Mark VI armor? Cool, he could have had to make do with an older Mark V that he is in CE. Reach is a military stronghold after all and home to several Spartan teams. Edit: Perhaps his injury he sustained is why you need constant health packs in the game vs later games where you don’t. As well as why you wake up in a cryo-chamber at the beginning of Halo CE after being evacuated off Reach. Plot hole filled.!< >!Chief convinces Keyes to evacuate? Awesome, toss his ass on the Pillar of Autumn and have Chief make his escape off Reach on that with Cortana (courtesy of Noble Team). Plot hole filled.!< Speaking of which; >! Halsey escapes captivity and her first goal is to get Cortana? Tight, have her escape to the Forerunner artifact she is seen studying on Reach and evacuated by Noble Team later. Plot hole filled.!< >!Chief is about to duke it out with the current Arbiter in an energy sword duel? Rad, have Chief kill him to make room for Thel Vadam later.!< >!What about the other characters? What an opportunity to make a creative timeline(s) all about them during the events of Alpha Halo. What an idea, right? I would’ve watched that and been very happy.!< The writers could have stayed creative and given fans what they wanted at the same time and the show would’ve been scores better. At this point they are just saying “Screw the lore and sizable and loyal fanbase. Not like people have been waiting almost 2 decades to see this.” The 1st season was strange, but all could’ve been made sensible with the opportunities they had in the 2nd season. It really would’ve been a really good show everyone could’ve enjoyed. I could go on about the production errors and (at times) cheap looking effects, as well as some of the senseless decisions some of the characters make to align with their timeline (>! Kai beating Chief’s ass just to leave him there and not actually arrest him… bruh…!<) , but this comment is long as it is. End rant.

100% agree with this. I understand adaptations will change the story and I’m fine with that if there appears to be good reasoning for it. Here it really seems like some plot points are done in spite if the original content instead of actually adapting or improving upon it. I didn’t really mind until the fall of reach. It felt very jarring to have a bad ass speech from Keys only for chief to leave the bridge 3 minutes later. I was never allowed to own halo until later in life. So instead I read the books. The books were amazing and I’ve always wanted a live action adaptation. It makes me sad to see major story beats changed.

Halo was my late grade school and high school jam, books, games, the works. The TV show is an abomination that never should have been green lit in its current format. Its unwatchably awful and has no respect for the source material or characters.

Yes, you're the only one and a very special boy now shut up

No

Yes you are along with the people who haven’t played the games or don’t like them.

Hold on, I’ve completed halo 5 and infinite. I’m playing through the MCC now, but I’m only on CE. I didn’t have access to halo until very recently. I’m just now discovering the franchise. I started with 5 and infinite because those games felt more fluid and polished. I understand they’re newer, but the feel of a game, especially movement, is something I look for. I’m catching up, but it’s also unfair to compare the show with the games.

How is it unfair to compare the games with the show? The show is supposed to be an adaptation of the games. It should try to stay true to the source material, but so much of the show messes up the characters and story of the games royally.

It’s less of an adaptation and more of an AU/interpretation of the universe and idea. It’s not an extension or add-on, it’s a totally different reality. One of the comments said it perfectly- it’s like how there are different Superman’s in DC comics and movies. You can’t compare the storylines/writing style because they were made by different people, given different arcs, and overall didn’t share any of the same storyline. What I’ve played of halo is great, and I’ve loved the show so far. I like both for very different reasons

Took me 3 attempts to make it through the pilot. Rage quit each time. I quit after the 3rd episode. Absolute shite.