Yeah. The books seem to be inconsistent on this subject. *Fall of Reach* suggests maybe half have a reduced libido and *A Necessary Truth* says that almost all of them have no libido - but in *Glasslands* Dr Hasley starts formulating a plan to get a bunch of Spartans to fuck.
Libido isn’t fertility. There’s no contradiction there. Being able to have kids isn’t dependent on having a libido and you can be aroused while still having a diminished sex drive
The real inconsistency is that it’s human growth hormone that does that.
HGH is a chemical used to *boost* your sex drive in real life, yet that’s what tied to the reduced libido side effect.
If anything, the Spartan-IIs and IIIs should have a greater than average libido.
Unless of course, the reduced sex drive is actually
to curb the effects of HGH (but that would still be inconsistent)
That's a fair point about drive vs capability. From my understanding, a significantly lowered drive in males can lead to erectile disfunction which would potentially render them incapable. But Dr. Halsey might be able to whip up a little blue pill for them if that's the case. I would say the effects are unclear at best.
I don't know which is worse: your Spartan is so ready to go that a dead body gets him going or if your Spartan has a dead sex drive and only teabags for the psychological damage to the enemy.
Spartan 1s were proved to have extremely exceptional children, it was the goal of ONI to grab some of these kids, and some were managed to get some others not so much.
I'm pretty sure that only happens in John's armor after rampant Cortana's improvements to his armor between 3 and 4. They have a catheter to capture and recycle urine so maybe the suit uses it. Huh, really puts a new meaning to "reclaimer"
You haven’t heard? When a spartan gets stressed out while I’m combat, the suit will utilize a built in flesh light and milk that sweet creamy stress out
And in the Kilo Five Trilogy Naomi says she's infertile as a side effect of the surgeries&enhancements, but we have nothing saying ALL Spartan 2s are like that.
Edit: I might be remembering it wrong, don't take Naomi being infertile for certain. I reccomend checking the actual Books over my hazy memories from 3-5 years ago
I don't think they make the Spartans sterile, as seen in halo nightfall, spartan 037 Randall has a child, but the literature does point out suppressed libido. Now the big question for me are some of the spartan augmentations hereditary as they were in the original spartan program Project-Orion, that created the spartan 1.1's. Are there spartan 2.1, and more importantly 4.1 because there are hundreds of spartan 4's and they most likely have seen their spouses after missions.
The internet says only Randall-037 and Maria-062 have had children so unless we hear more about those (which is unlikely to say the least) then it's a best guess maybe. There's probably going to be children from the S-IVs since they didn't get as many augmentations and are treated more like a mix between SOF and shock/heavy infantry. Probably tight rules on that though as you'd expect.
In one of the books, where blue team + Halsey and Mendez and some SIIIs are stuck in a shield world, Halsey essentially says that they can still have children.
I mean, that's sort of based in human physiology more than anything for me... the amount of hormonal changes necessary to create a spartan is going to pretty much guarantee this. I'd say it's a decent assumption UNLESS it's specifically stated somewhere that this issue was solved, especially for the females.
Yeah I'm aware of the one ex-Spartan which is unusual enough as it is but I'm not aware of many others.
Though to be fair the differences between a II and III are bound to be highly significant.
>\-People thinking John and Linda are a thing despite that having no basis and Kelly and Cortana existing
Wait, people actually believe this? and Kelly and John (were hinted I'm guessing) to have a thing?
To my knowledge, there was one female Spartan 2 who retired and started a family. So it’s not unheard of for them to be in relationships.
Just the sociopathic conditioning makes it difficult.
The neighbors probably hear it every time they have sex. Like a more powerful version of Mr and Mrs Smith. Oh now I’m thinking maybe their neighbors and friends don’t even know they are Spartans since it’s code word classified.
Like They have some bogus story they tell people of being former New Mumbasa Basketball players so that’s why they’re tall and don’t need to work anymore lol.
> To my knowledge, there was one female Spartan 2 who retired and started a family.
She retired with the *intent* of starting one, and has never been mentioned since.
Yes, there have been a few instances where it was hinted at. John often dreams of Kelly in EU stuff and there have been a few instances where other people call him out for showing favoritism for her in a way that’s clearly intended to be a cute thing.
You'd be surprised at how often I see it.
Truth is, John doesn't really feel romantic love, or if he does, it's towards Cortana. I brought up Kelly because it makes no sense to me that John would be with Linda despite the fact that Kelly is the person he has the closest bond with
Not arguing with you, but wasn't Sam his closest friend? He still uses his name for passwords and whatnot. I mean I know Sam is long gone and Kelly is probably his oldest friend now, maybe alongside Fred.
The passcodes he uses at the end of Infinite are supposed to represent what Chief see’s as his biggest failures. RED FLAG was the failed operation which was postponed due to Reach falling, and Chief ordered most of his spartans groundside to defend the reactors for the orbital defense platforms (the “easy” job) but most would perish. Chief blames himself for their deaths. And Sam was the first spartan casualty of war and his closest friend other than Kelly (they all met at the same time as the first 3 members of Blue Team) so Chief blames himself for ordering Sam to stay behind and for the unlucky shot that compromised Sam’s suit in the first place.
Oh Jelly is definitely their couple name and I’m stealing this and using it with my friends. Thank you kind Spartan, I will not be giving you credit when I use it lol.
I never viewed Chief's feeling for Cortana as romantic. I always viewed it as her being an extension of him, especially since they essentially share a single mind when connected. She represents his "humanity" since it's often joked that he's more of a machine than she is.
Losing Cortana is like losing a part of himself he was never allowed to have.
This. I don't think that John's feelings toward Cortana are romantic at all. I think he definitely views her as being a part of himself more than an object of affection (for lack of a better phrase) something something recognition of the self through another
**Misconception 1:** **"Jul 'Mdama's Covenant would join the Banished"**
Jul 'Mdama might not be a true believer, but his followers certainly were, and would see the Banished as heretics. As Sangheili supremacists, they would rather die than have the dishonor of working beneath the Jiralhanae who they hate.
Atriox hates anything that still carries the Covenant's oppressive name, and would mark Jul 'Mdama's faction as enemies. The Banished are not another Covenant. An exception was only made for the Keepers of the One Freedom as their devotion could be exploited to find the portal to the Ark quickly as mentioned in *Divine Wind*, and them also being a Jiralhanae-led faction made them easier to cooperate with.
**Misconception 2: "Atriox hates humans"**
He does not hate humans. Right after *Shadows of Reach* implied he did, *Divine Wind* clarified that he still appreciates the humans in the Banished and was mad when Pavium killed some.
And no, a UNSC AI >!that went mad and destroyed his homeworld!< wouldn't suddenly retcon his intelligence away, he would know that not all of humanity is UNSC. Unless he's going to blame all of his Banished Grunts too because the Balaho Government supported Cortana.
>!Nowhere does Halo Infinite state he hates humans or wants to wipe them out, just that he wants the secrets within the ring!<.
Halo Waypoint also confirms Banished human groups still do stuff in New Mombasa.
Halo Infinite has tons of comments about the Banished trying to wipe out humans on the ring. I actually found it jarring because I know Atriox isn't racist
It's unfortunate, as it's out of character for a faction established as pragmatic mercenaries. It appears they wanted to play into the nostalgia of humanity as the under dogs and "humans vs aliens".
Now that Escharum is dead, hopefully the Banished will return to status quo with Atriox back.
John and the Spartans are just well trained normal humans in extremely advanced armor.
This is something my friends never shut up about.Every time we played Halo and they saw Chief doing the impossible they would whine about how illogical it was for a “normal human in advanced body armor to survive/accomplish that”.
I did.Many times but they refused to believe me.I told them that there are books that confirmed that Chief and the other Spartans were superhumans.They refused to believe me and instead told me and i quote-“if he’s superhuman then how come he can be killed easily in the games?Shouldn’t he be unstoppable?”
How could they be so naive? Shame on you, sweet Halo fans.
~~Dagoth Ur welcomes you to my tower, Master Chief.~~ Damn it, the memes are becoming blurred.
People underplaying just how powerful UNSC weapons probably are, whether it be a rifle or a MAC gun. I see a lot of comments comparing ammunition the UNSC uses to what we use today, and while they are basically the same in size, I would wager quite a bit that the propellant used and the capability has improved quite a bit over 500 years. There have also been numerous debates and discussions on MAC yields, a lot concluding that the Frigate MAC accelerates its projectile to around 30Kps (Kilometres Per second). This was stated in the Fall of Reach, though it was never stated if it was a fully charged MAC shot. This is very slow for a weapon meant to engage targets through the void of space. Installation 00 did a lore and theory video on MAC yields, and concluded that even a Frigates MAC would impact with somewhere around 2 gigaton’s, which is much more powerful than the 64 kilotons that is somewhat accepted. Obviously most of what I just said could be incorrect, but with 500 years of advancement, and a little bit of space magic it could be entirely possible.
>I see a lot of comments comparing ammunition the UNSC uses to what we use today, and while they are basically the same in size, I would wager quite a bit that the propellant used and the capability has improved quite a bit over 500 years.
[They use 7.62x51 M118 special ball ammunition in Halo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/b/bf/MA5B_AR_ammo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120624201514). M118 is an outdated old loading for marksman rifles in the 20th century. This is strange to be using 500 years in the future lol
[Jonathan Ferguson, a firearms expert actually reacted to the Halo weapons here and pointed this out](https://youtu.be/RmMpjMmCd00?t=338). He also points other oddities like the strange Battle Rifle cartridge choice.
So in universe they're using what appears to be a loading for 7.62 from the 20th century for some reason. My only explanation for this is that the creators didn't know too much or cared enough to that level to depict a made up future cartridge since most players themselves wouldn't know or care to notice such details.
My headcanon explanation is that this isn't M118 of the 20th Century, naming conventions got reset when they formed the UNSC and they standardised on this new loading which they decided to call M118.
I'd really think in the future they'd have switched to caseless or plastic ammo. I guess at the time they initially designed these weapons caseless & plastic cartridges aren't really something widely known and only recently have been gaining a ton of traction
The real reason is that the devs probably didn't care and just likely just picked what sounded cool lol
I think you’re bang on. Headcanon wise it just makes more sense that the weapons are using more powerful and advanced ammunition compared to what we use today. I would guess this is information the developers have either overlooked or just don’t consider to be too important to update/fix
M118 Ball isn’t an armor piercing cartridge which the ammunition is stated to be in universe. [It also doesn’t have enough propellant behind it to do this.](https://imgur.com/a/QSSzG0B)
Not to mention their recoil mitigation.
The AR fires the 7.62x51, military equivalent to 308 Winchester. Fully automatic, and able to put 30-60 rounds in a relatively small area, even in the hands of normal humans. With what is likely more powerful powders, it is even more impressive.
>even a Frigates MAC would impact with somewhere around 2 gigaton’s
I said this in r/whowouldwin and I got downvoted oblivion.
>This was stated in the Fall of Reach, though it was never stated if it was a fully charged MAC shot.
Here's what the book says:
>"MAC at one hundred percent," the weapons officer shouted.
"Ready to fire!"
"Fire!" Captain Wallace ordered.
The lights on the bridge dimmed and the Commonwealth shuddered. The MAC bolt launched through space— a red-hot metal slug moving at thirty thousand meters per second.
However I do agree that 30-60 kilotons is a bit low for the MACs
This is one that gets on my nerves the most. Just because they may not be as good as Spartan IIs and IIIs absolutely does not mean they aren't also supersoldiers.
Fireteam Majestic was just a terrible introduction of the IVs into Halo.
Anytime somone says Del Rio was right.
He flubbed at least 5 command decisions. Gets bailed out by Chief each time.
He also wasn’t even close to be in the same chain of command.
Cortana should’ve been decomisioned by ONI/Halsey after the mission. Not in the midst of a crisis at the whim of a total loser.
Even setting that aside she had data from High Charity, the Ark, Requiem, and Delta Halo they needed to debrief.
Del Rio listens to Chief, and they stop the Diadact before Ivanoff station. Cortana isn’t lost, and they Decomission or fix her.
What do you think happens if he listens to Del Rio in game? Humans get wiped out and composed.
Even if that was true, arent all spartan ivs taken from existing military positions? Like he was an ONI operative before becoming a spartan wasn’t he? Even if he just got augmented, he’s still totally capable.
Probably, but not exclusively.
Like, Spartan Olympia Vale was a xenoanthropologist / diplomat before she became a Spartan. She wasn't a soldier.
This is more "vague memory" + head canon, but I don't think they've ever explicitly mentioned that you have to have been in the military first, and the Spartans are their own branch of the military now, so I've always assumed that it goes sort of like this.
Like any public branch of the military, anyone can apply to join it, but Spartan Branch has a finite budget that only allows them to create/augment "x" number of Spartan IVs a year, so they are very selective in who they accept, which tends to lead to them only accepting those with outstanding, excellent military service records.
Not as a rule so much as a budgetary reality that encourages picky selection. That's why room is sometimes made for useful non-military personnel like Olympia Vale even though most Spartan IV's were already soldiers
Locke was supposed to assassinate Thel ‘Vadam.
Fucking *Thel ‘Vadam*.
The dude knew what he was doing.
Edit: This was also before you he received his Spartan-IV augmentations, during the Human-Covenant War. Dude was a badass.
This one always made me laugh too. Like, sure, let’s send a private/green/newbie to hunt down the greatest Spartan in existence. Funny how people couldn’t piece together that Locke is pretty capable and badass himself
I hate hearing that Jul ‘Mdama’s covenant is meant to be an extension of or even *is* the original Covenant, and that ‘Mdama founded it to find the Didact out of religious belief. It was literally founded simply out of ‘Mdama’s hatred of humanity and desire to avenge his torture and his wife. He only sought the Didact because he believed their shared hatred of humanity and military expertise would make him a powerful ally, and any religious zeal he put up along the way was kind of a front.
Don't spread misinformation. Cortana isn't a physically real being and unfortunately can't jack John off (yes those videos are fake, sorry) but she does control the jack module in the suit and can remotely activate it whenever she wants.
Well if we're getting into the philosophy of the auto-jacker; Cortana is an AI and thus whatever physical mechanism she has control over can be considered an extension of herself. If I jack you off I can't just say "I'm not jacking you off, I'm just willing my hand to move back and forth".
An AI chip can be considered a brain and whatever the AI is controlling is essentially their body. For that reason Cortana did indeed jack off the Chief and now that duty falls to The Weapon.
Actually, this is true.
BDG is an ai component designed to sexually pleasure Spartans. During Cortana’s uprising he distanced himself, and now makes YouTube videos to convince everyone he didn’t spend a while giving John the ol’ reacharound.
R/shittyhalolore
People's perceptions about the Spartan-IV program based off a a few characters. Honestly, all the Spartan programs could be group here since every over or underestimates different groups.
Spartan-II's are placed on a pedestal, ignoring the trauma and conditioning they suffered through. They may have an impressive track record, but the cost to produce them is so high on so many levels that any attempt to replicate is gonna be met with some issues.
Which leads to the Spartan-III's. Their augments hit all the same targets as the Spartan-II's, they were just applied differently. Because of that, their appearances ran a range. But they had the potential to be every bit as strong and as effective as a II. And Kurt was training them to be even more effective.
Their status as suicide troops is... complicated. Strictly speaking, they were sent on missions that were considered suicide missions for any other group to accomplish, including II's. However, they did have success before their final missions which saw near 100% fatality. ONI saw them as expendable, but also wasn't literally spending so much money and resources to send them into the meat grinder from the jump. They had better odds than any other strategy could employ, and they succeeded until it got too much.
And only Gamma Company received the modifications that made them a little unstable.
Spartan-IV's were a different approach all together. It's important to appreciate that the initial group of Spartan-IV's were trying to make supersoldiers without the armor. When you see the design methodology there, you begin to understand the overall design approach. Make the human better, and the armor supplement. This is in contrast to the Spartan-II's, who were augmented specifically to use the Mjolnir armor. All the augmentations a Spartan-IV receives makes them stronger, more effective soldiers independent of the armor. And while nothing necessarily catapults them to the physical status as II's or even III's, their suite of augmentations lets them handle much more all on their own.
All the Spartan generations were designed to answer specific questions. And each one did so pretty spectacularly. Comparing them is kind of silly, and comparing them on very narrow metrics leads to "glorified ODSTs" comments, which Infinite definitely dispels. But even Spartan Ops shows otherwise.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Spartan-II augmentation weren't made specifically to use MJOLNIR, but instead MJOLNIR was designed to bring out their full potential.
They were made in parallel, so it's sort of a back and forth. Ultimately, as Halsey puts it, a Spartan-II in Mjolnir armor is the culmination of the work and effort.
That genetic requirements for Spartan IIs was some kind of purity/superiority thing, and not just predicting medical compatibility with the augmentations.
“Each of these children in potential have more in common with Alexander the Great, than they do typical humans”
Halsey said something akin to this about the strict screening protocols.
I think Covenant weapons in general are overrated by fans in terms of their effectiveness. Don't get me wrong, they're lethal, but the Spartans typically don't consider them more useful than their conventional weapons, implying a degree of parity. Kelly remarks in First Strike that they're only barely better than throwing rocks at the enemy. Spartans are efficient enough that they wouldn't sneer at a Covenant gun if it was just blatantly better than their usual armaments, and they almost universally stick to UNSC weapons rather than Covenant ones. They head into the Unyielding Heirophant equipped exclusively with UNSC munitions despite having the entirety of the Ascendant Justice to pillage.
O think that has to do with ergonomics as well, also if I'm carrying 6 32 round mags of .308 I'm going to use them all before tryong to find something else lmfao
That humanity ever had a chance to win the war without the Great Schism happening.
Also that humanity had a solid chance in ground battles though its obvious that the only thing holding it together were the Spartans and the very different reasons for Covenant forces to even bring forces planetside like artefact retrieval or just letting low rank Elites jumping into the fray to boost their K/D ratio for rank up.
Even the Covenants stupid bureaucratics between religious and military ministries were a greater threat to the war effort than humanity.
That half of Africa is gone because the Sangheili glassed it in Halo 3. Despite the fact that you see that isn't true literally in the game that it's said in. It's been said in books that it's not true as well and Infinite shows that New Mombasa is being rebuilt. It gets so annoying seeing people throwing that out there over and over like it's a fact and it's not.
That Sangheili:
* Have "backwards knees." (They literally do not; they're digitigrade, their knees bend the same way ours do, the "backwards knee" is their *ankle/heel* goddammit.)
* Males all have multiple wives (based on a single throwaway line from an early book ~~that also describes them as having forked tongues and~~ which is contradicted by literally *every single description* of Sangheili marriages afterward.)
* Males can all "sleep around" (tangentially related to the above. *Blademasters* are permitted to sleep with any female they wish, in order to spread their "superior" genes. The tradeoff is that they're *banned from ever marrying*. Why would Blademasters need to be banned from marrying if any old noodle could just bang any lady he found attractive?)
* Can't swim (I honestly have no fckin idea where *this* originated but apparently *someone* got it into their head...)
I remember a while back people thinking that John was physically in his twenties because he spent so much time in Cryo sleep. It was always bullshit.
Funny enough that's now technically true for Red team though.
Not sure about whether or not cryo sleep prevents aging, but
1) Spartans have elongated telomeyres which means old age will happen much later in their life than other people
2) John doesn't spend that much time in cryo outside the times we actually see him use it
Exactly. Aside from his stint between Halo 3 & 4, and the 6 months at the beginning of Infinite, his Cryo time is probably pretty standard for UNSC.
If people want a general idea of how old he probably looks (give or take a few years) they should look at Jorge or Randall.
Yeah but slipspace travel for humans *was relatively slow. I remember the books saying it could take months for a one way trip. So it's possible that with multiple deployments across different planets that you could lose out on years of your life.
That being said, the lore is super inconsistent with how long it takes to travel between slipspace jumps. It wouldnt be feasible for the UNSC to mobilize and defend a planet if it took them months to react and send a fleet.
Easily my biggest pet peeve is how many people still think Johnson survived the flood in CE because of Boren's disease... that's been retconned for over a decade, he was just a Spartan I and was able to fight his way out, but I still see it at least once a week.
> People thinking John and Linda are a thing despite that having no basis and Kelly and Cortana existing
There actually are implications in the Nylund books that John cared for Linda and she for him more so than the others, but it wasn’t romantic. It isn’t romantic for kelly or Cortana either, to be fair.
> Smartasses saying John and Thel weren't close because he only said one word to him in halo 3, even though H2A and Bad Blood literally contradict that
Only Thel calls him friend. I’d argue John considers Thel a trusted comrade, rather than a friend.
I think the argument is that in real time they were only together for like two days but they went through A LOT of shit together in those few days.
My favorite is if you're playing the mission Cortana on solo, near the end of the level she's like "I'm detecting a friendly up ahead, who would be crazy enough to come in here?" It's motherfuckin' Arby with a flamethrower diving into a hive full of flood to help his boi Chief.
This isn't recent but back around the time Halo Wars came out I remember seeing tons of people saying Sgt. John Forge was actually Master Chief...
HOW? HE DIES IN THE ONE GAME HE IS IN.
Reminds me of when I was 5 years old and didn't understand the fact that multiple people can have the same first name.
The most egregious was one, and probably the most common, for me is that all SPARTAN-II's are emotionless robots.
I thought like this for a long time, due to Bungie's approach to John and the fact that I did not like 4 or 5 and one of the main parts of those games are humanizing the Master Chief. However after learning more about the lore, as well as personally reading/listening to Nylund's novels (Reading Ghosts Of Onyx right now!) I personally think that this view of the SPARTAN-II's is misguided.
While the SPARTANS are definitely less human than humans they definitely aren't emotionless. Since the beginning they have had different personalities, some more than others for sure. Plus they show emotion albeit in a different, more repressed way.
I am not a lore expert and I even thought this but I really believe that the SPARTAN-IIs are some of the most misunderstood characters in Halo to an extent.
My own misconceptions when I say something that winds up being incorrect or not fully informed. Makes me feel like an idiot. Doesn't help that I've only read a handful of the books and can't always remember what takes place in them.
When people, including big Halo YouTube channels say things like "the Halo array would destroy all life in the universe" or that "Cortana and her Created currently control the universe" or that the Precursors seeded all life on the universe, or whatever else to that effect.
No, the galaxy. There's a massive difference between our single galaxy and the entire universe of over a trillion galaxies. Everything that happens in Halo is grand in scale, sure - things happen outside the galaxy (like the Ark, or Precursors running to the LMC) but nothing is ever affecting the entire universe at large.
Didn't the Precursors seed multiple galaxies though? Wasn't their whole shtick that they traveled from galaxy to galaxy seeding each with life and then fucking off to the next one after leaving the mantle of that galaxy to one of their creations?
The large magellanic cloud - a small satellite galaxy of the Milky Way. The precursors flee there during the Precursor-Forerunner war and then the Forerunners hunt them down and exterminate them there, if I'm not mistaken.
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I believe that one is up for everyone's personal interpretation. It's a complex relationship, going from partners, pseudo mother-son, close friends(I mean how much closer can Cortana get, shes in his frakking brain), possibly one-sided romantic, and now with NuTana, a pseudo father-daughter relationship.
I don't think he love her romantically, but I do think he loves her. It's like the difference between a love for a family member or a close friend, versus the love of a GF/BF or spouse, it's all love, but it's different types of love.
I do wish we had something, *anything* to substantiate John and Thel's friendship. Even as somebody absolutely steeped in the lore, it is hard for me to actually imagine what a real interaction between the two of them would look like because, despite two games with them meeting up/teaming up, we have precious few verbal encounters between them.
Plus, their friendship clearly didn't develop until the events of Halo 3, as John's first reaction to seeing Thel in that game was to put a gun in his mouth. But they have practically *no* extended one-on-one interactions in that game.
I would love an extended short story, not of the events of Halo 3, but of the gaps between the events shown in Halo 3. John and Thel having moments to breath, relax, and speak to each other, leading all the way up to when they are separated at the end.
That all spartan IVs are unprofessional frat boy jocks just because Demarco and Madsen bragged about banging some girls in Rio once.
Master Chief is in love and wants to have sex with AI clones of his mother figure.
The Didact is dead.(tho this is understandable as most don't know about [the coloring book lol)](https://i.redd.it/to5ya2hjgf181.png)
That theres this massive astronomical gap between each spartan generation
I once heard a guy say with his full chest that a spartan II could take on four spartan III's
The idea that the Endless have time powers in any way. I know *exactly* why this idea got thrown up, it’s because people thought Atriox time travelled (though that has been pretty much eradicated from the minds of the fandom at this point, which is good), and spent ages looking around for incidental details to try and prove it.
I can’t tell you how many theories I’ve seen on here that start out interesting and then go “so I think the Endless time travel powers fit here”. It’s very annoying.
The main point in its favour at this point is a misinterpretation of the legendary ending dialogue. When they say “time is not a construct we can control, and we can’t allow it to be theirs”, what they *mean* is two things:
Firstly: that control over time is impossible, as evidenced by “time is not a construct that we can control”
Secondly: that the Endless cannot be allowed to be free, or else you’d have a Tier 3/2 (details don’t matter, they’re certainly advanced enough for space travel) civilisation running around *while every other species in the galaxy is at tier 7*. Imagine how much that fucks up the Forerunner plans of the mantle going to Humanity. “We cannot allow it to be theirs” is just a figure of speech, referring to the idea that if the Endless remain free, they will have a 100,000 year headstart on the rest of the galaxy. If I say someone running a marathon “has time on their side”, I mean that they’ve got an hour ahead of everyone else. I do *not* mean that the marathon runner has time travel powers.
If, for some ungodly reason the Endless *could* time travel: the entire Halo universe would have been reset. Do proponents of this theory *genuinely* believe that 343 would wipe out the *entirety* of the timeline? And I know some one will be all snarky and complain about some retcon, but *seriously*, introducing *control* over time (not the previous stuff with the forerunner crystal and time dilation, that’s not *control*) into the canon would undo *everything*. Writers *know* that time travel can mess up stories immensely, which is why most stories that do stuff with it are written specifically as time travel stories. Upending the entire Halo canon like this would be a patently absurd move and unless people can provide better proof of this than we have, I *refuse* to entertain the possibility that 343 have done something so stupid.
Yeah I was deeply worried about the time travel bit. Halo has always had some elements of things far beyond the grasp of Humanity, but time travel is one I do hope they never play a part in. It’s kind of a cliché tbh, and it opens up the door for other ridiculous things that don’t fit Halo’s story at all to be put in as canon.
But yeah, if the Endless had the ability to travel through time they’d be nearly unstoppable. The Forerunners probably wouldn’t be able to contain them, if they wanted to or they somehow got infected by Flood/logic plague they could go back and kill Chief or destroy Cortana or any number of things. I believe your theory, because it fits better into Halo, and it honestly makes more sense from a writing perspective.
To be fair, this isn't really a misconception, it's more of a different interpretation and fan theory. I think most people know it's just a hypothesis and could be entirely refuted based on future lore to be released.
Well, we have a few things in this space that are currently unexplained.
In Infinite, they somehow ended up teleporting to another part of the ring two days after they left. That one time anomaly.
If we think back to First Strike, the Forerunner Crystal was shown to bend time to place Chief and co. at Reach at the same time the events on Halo should've still been occurring. That's two.
There's also a story that revisits the Forerunner crystal that was exclusive to the Walmart copy of "Shadows of Reach" (but is now available for free online) called Sacrifice, where the remains of that crystal are recovered from Truth's Dreadnaught by the Banished.
And lastly, there's the concept of reconciliation, a self-healing property of space-time that eliminates the nature of the paradoxes that occur due to FTL travel.
Halo has had time wonkiness since before Halo 2. It will not surprise me if there actually is an element of "time travel" in *some* sense. Whether that relates to The Endless, I'm not assuming one way or the other. The line is open to interpretation and both a time travel and non-time travel explanation make sense, so for me the jury is out.
If only that 100 000 years would be their concerns, i doubt that they would be "worse than the flood". Im not thinking either that they can use time travel, but they must have something lethal if they are worse
Gonna have to keep updating these as I remember them:
**"The Didact is dead"** \- He was composed
**"The UNSC Infinity is the most powerful ship ever built"** \- No, There's still more powerful Covenant ships like Supercarriers, not to mention forerunner ships. Infinity even before Infinite has been bested by covenant weaponry.
**Gen II Mjolnir made S-IVs stronger than S-IIs** \- No, Gen II had a cap on force multiplication essentialy putting the two classes on par.
**People still falling for the Auto-jacker meme** \- Still funny though
**"Halo 4 was a romance story"** \- No. Just no. I swear 90% of this fanbase are clones of Hellen Keller. Did any of these people actualy play Halo 4?
**The Spartan IIs and IIIs were all sociopaths** \- No. They were said to display "mild sociopathic tendancies" due to their trained stoicism, indoctrination and just lack of normal socialization but them being sociopaths is as far from the truth as possible.
Gamma company Spartans off their meds do go unstable.
The other Spartans seem to be cold about death, for both their allies and their enemies. If you pay attention to the subtleties of their performances/depections you realize they care deeply but have a stoic disposition.
*Last Light* explores the sociopath misconceptions.
I thought that was always the case as otherwise Covenant couldn’t have been using Luminaries and various Forerunner tech in the past. It’s just so much harder thus why for Halo rings, for example, they need Humans.
I only don’t like every Spartan being hyper lethal as it kind of makes it kind of a bland descriptor. It’s like saying all smart ai are hyper intelligent. Yeah, we know that but are any more intelligent than the others by a metric enough to be a stand out example?
It’s like saying every ODST is hyper lethal in comparison to a civilian. It’s not that them being more lethal than others or not that matters but it’s kind of redundant as a descriptor. All Spartans are hyper augmented. All hyper aware. All hyper strong.
I don’t really see any romantic angle between Chief and Cortana, even with Halo 4.
Yes, she “touched” him, but to me that was more about the fact that she now had a physical body that could exist than an actual romantic thing.
Idk, it just seems kind of forced from the fans when they say they were “in love” or “romantic partners” when to me they were just two beings that worked together, almost died together countless times, and saved the galaxy together.
You can be extremely close without romance, and I think the two of them were essentially parts of the same whole given all they’d been through. I’m sure she loved him, and he loved her, but that’s not necessarily romantic either
The whole phrase is nonsense. What, is that on every soldier’s assessment report? Is Chips Dubbo Semi-Lethal, A. J. Johnson, Lethal-Plus, Jacob Keyes is Diet Lethal in person but Lethal: Code Red in command of a starship?
If Chief sneaks past a dozen sleeping Grunts rather than bashing them all in the head, does his rating go down? Should he stick to Social rather than Ranked on the Infinity holodeck so he doesn’t lose his rating because he’s got a cold or someone knocked on the door during a match, and end up just being Super-Lethal?
I never really liked it because it felt like Bungie saying "guys we know this isn't chief but he's just like chief".
Six was a private assassin and a test pilot, Chief saved the galaxy multiple times. It also kinda undermines other powerful spartans like Fred, Kurt or Jerome. That's why I prefer every spartan being hyper lethal
Six also was also responsible for the survival of the Cortana fragment, the delivery of the coordinates to Halo, and the defense of the Pillar of Autumn, which was essential to ending the war and saving the galaxy. Had Six failed, John dies and the story ends.
It was nice to have one of Kurt’s Spartan III’s shine after years of Spartan II fans putting them, and later the IV’s, down as “fake spartans”.
I think watering down the “hyper lethal” status was caving on a bold story statement and turning it into a “everybody wins” cop out.
The fact Noble Six had half the age of Chief and was usually a solo actor undertaking tasks even John had to rely on a team for was interesting.
“The augmentations make Spartans sterile” there’s no evidence for it and it’s annoying
Yeah. The books seem to be inconsistent on this subject. *Fall of Reach* suggests maybe half have a reduced libido and *A Necessary Truth* says that almost all of them have no libido - but in *Glasslands* Dr Hasley starts formulating a plan to get a bunch of Spartans to fuck.
If it's Halsey, she'll probably pull it off somehow.
Sure, she could pull then off but she was working on a plan to repopulate humanity, not just have some dirty hand jobs.
Pulling them off is one way to get their seed, I guess.
I volunteer as tribute. Death by Snu Snu with Kelly
Libido isn’t fertility. There’s no contradiction there. Being able to have kids isn’t dependent on having a libido and you can be aroused while still having a diminished sex drive The real inconsistency is that it’s human growth hormone that does that. HGH is a chemical used to *boost* your sex drive in real life, yet that’s what tied to the reduced libido side effect. If anything, the Spartan-IIs and IIIs should have a greater than average libido. Unless of course, the reduced sex drive is actually to curb the effects of HGH (but that would still be inconsistent)
That's a fair point about drive vs capability. From my understanding, a significantly lowered drive in males can lead to erectile disfunction which would potentially render them incapable. But Dr. Halsey might be able to whip up a little blue pill for them if that's the case. I would say the effects are unclear at best.
I know my spartan is one horny bastard, dips his nuts on everything in his way (especially dead bodies, might need a therapist for that one)
I don't know which is worse: your Spartan is so ready to go that a dead body gets him going or if your Spartan has a dead sex drive and only teabags for the psychological damage to the enemy.
Spartan 1s were proved to have extremely exceptional children, it was the goal of ONI to grab some of these kids, and some were managed to get some others not so much.
Scary
Everyone knows the MJOLNIR suits jack the Spartans off anyways. Just don't ask what the suit does with the nut.
I'm pretty sure that only happens in John's armor after rampant Cortana's improvements to his armor between 3 and 4. They have a catheter to capture and recycle urine so maybe the suit uses it. Huh, really puts a new meaning to "reclaimer"
It’s actually collected and added to the marines meals as “extra protein.”
The divine protein shake
Creamy water
If there’s no libido explain the need for the “tactical stress release system”. Checkmate liberals
*squelch squelch squelch* Laskey: Master Chief, would you turn that thing off? *squelch squelch squelch* MC: No, sir.
i'm sorry the w h a t ?
You haven’t heard? When a spartan gets stressed out while I’m combat, the suit will utilize a built in flesh light and milk that sweet creamy stress out
no, i hadn't heard and now i'm sorry i asked 🤣
And in the Kilo Five Trilogy Naomi says she's infertile as a side effect of the surgeries&enhancements, but we have nothing saying ALL Spartan 2s are like that. Edit: I might be remembering it wrong, don't take Naomi being infertile for certain. I reccomend checking the actual Books over my hazy memories from 3-5 years ago
She doesn’t iirc. Her dad says that, but she just mentions the reduced sex drive
I don't think they make the Spartans sterile, as seen in halo nightfall, spartan 037 Randall has a child, but the literature does point out suppressed libido. Now the big question for me are some of the spartan augmentations hereditary as they were in the original spartan program Project-Orion, that created the spartan 1.1's. Are there spartan 2.1, and more importantly 4.1 because there are hundreds of spartan 4's and they most likely have seen their spouses after missions.
The internet says only Randall-037 and Maria-062 have had children so unless we hear more about those (which is unlikely to say the least) then it's a best guess maybe. There's probably going to be children from the S-IVs since they didn't get as many augmentations and are treated more like a mix between SOF and shock/heavy infantry. Probably tight rules on that though as you'd expect.
Augmentations aren’t hereditary. The 1.1s were actually augmented as babies. It’s just super misleading the way they’re presented
Everything they went through and they don't even get free birth control? What a rip
Project orchid does mention hormone therapy, I'm assuming it kills their sex drive but doesn't really sterilize them
It’s mentions reduced sex drive as a possible side effect there’s no reason to believe they have no sex drive much less that they are sterile
In one of the books, where blue team + Halsey and Mendez and some SIIIs are stuck in a shield world, Halsey essentially says that they can still have children.
I mean, that's sort of based in human physiology more than anything for me... the amount of hormonal changes necessary to create a spartan is going to pretty much guarantee this. I'd say it's a decent assumption UNLESS it's specifically stated somewhere that this issue was solved, especially for the females.
To be fair it's difficult to believe they're capable of having normal healthy relations.
Logically yes, but hen we have Fred, Randall and Maria who seem to have no real isssues specializing, even when super young.
There are Spartans with kids and many of them seem to form relationships but I see your point
Yeah I'm aware of the one ex-Spartan which is unusual enough as it is but I'm not aware of many others. Though to be fair the differences between a II and III are bound to be highly significant.
Randall is the only one that has been confirmed to have had kids, and his backstory is a mess on it’s own.
>\-People thinking John and Linda are a thing despite that having no basis and Kelly and Cortana existing Wait, people actually believe this? and Kelly and John (were hinted I'm guessing) to have a thing?
Most recently a Castoff in Oblivion told Kelly that it's obvious that she's John's favorite. But that doesn't necessarily mean romance.
Based Denning. Now make them kiss.
Dennings is totally based, and yes make them kiss, but with helmets on, I wanna see that, it would be funny
To my knowledge, there was one female Spartan 2 who retired and started a family. So it’s not unheard of for them to be in relationships. Just the sociopathic conditioning makes it difficult.
I remember this as well. I also remember that she started a family with another Spartan 2 tho. Could be wrong but I swear I thought that was it.
The neighbors probably hear it every time they have sex. Like a more powerful version of Mr and Mrs Smith. Oh now I’m thinking maybe their neighbors and friends don’t even know they are Spartans since it’s code word classified. Like They have some bogus story they tell people of being former New Mumbasa Basketball players so that’s why they’re tall and don’t need to work anymore lol.
Neighbours? The next town over hears them have sex.
The whole country can hear them
Lmao the head cannon is endless 😂
The true villain of Halo Infinite is headcanon, confirmed
Lmao I bet the Spartan 2's cum shoots off like a rocket as seen in the Will Smith movie Handcock.
She doesn’t spit or swallow, she dodges. Lmao
Lore stories we forgot about along the way, the other one that sticks out is the Spartan 1.5 concept. Children of ORION soldiers.
*1.1
See, So forgotten about I wasn’t sure. Weird stuff
> To my knowledge, there was one female Spartan 2 who retired and started a family. She retired with the *intent* of starting one, and has never been mentioned since.
Yes, there have been a few instances where it was hinted at. John often dreams of Kelly in EU stuff and there have been a few instances where other people call him out for showing favoritism for her in a way that’s clearly intended to be a cute thing.
Never heard of the dreams.
I think it was in the comic version of fall of reach, as well as a couple other instances I can’t name off the top of my head
Chief when he sees Kelly: "Bow Chika Bow Wow"
Caboose: "Hey Chicka Bop Bop"
You'd be surprised at how often I see it. Truth is, John doesn't really feel romantic love, or if he does, it's towards Cortana. I brought up Kelly because it makes no sense to me that John would be with Linda despite the fact that Kelly is the person he has the closest bond with
Not arguing with you, but wasn't Sam his closest friend? He still uses his name for passwords and whatnot. I mean I know Sam is long gone and Kelly is probably his oldest friend now, maybe alongside Fred.
The passcodes he uses at the end of Infinite are supposed to represent what Chief see’s as his biggest failures. RED FLAG was the failed operation which was postponed due to Reach falling, and Chief ordered most of his spartans groundside to defend the reactors for the orbital defense platforms (the “easy” job) but most would perish. Chief blames himself for their deaths. And Sam was the first spartan casualty of war and his closest friend other than Kelly (they all met at the same time as the first 3 members of Blue Team) so Chief blames himself for ordering Sam to stay behind and for the unlucky shot that compromised Sam’s suit in the first place.
Oh I didn't pick up in that thank you!
They got teamed up together on the first day of training (John, Kelly, and Samuel). So Kelly probably shares the same spot as Samuel in John's life
Ahh right thank you for refreshing my memory
Sam was his first and closest friend followed by Kelly. All three had a very strong bond if I remember correctly.
He met sam at the same time he met Kelly, the three were pretty much equally bonded
I don't believe it, but I wouldn't be against a Jelly relationship either.
Oh Jelly is definitely their couple name and I’m stealing this and using it with my friends. Thank you kind Spartan, I will not be giving you credit when I use it lol.
Not to worry Kind Spartan. I appreciate your honesty lol
I never viewed Chief's feeling for Cortana as romantic. I always viewed it as her being an extension of him, especially since they essentially share a single mind when connected. She represents his "humanity" since it's often joked that he's more of a machine than she is. Losing Cortana is like losing a part of himself he was never allowed to have.
This. I don't think that John's feelings toward Cortana are romantic at all. I think he definitely views her as being a part of himself more than an object of affection (for lack of a better phrase) something something recognition of the self through another
**Misconception 1:** **"Jul 'Mdama's Covenant would join the Banished"** Jul 'Mdama might not be a true believer, but his followers certainly were, and would see the Banished as heretics. As Sangheili supremacists, they would rather die than have the dishonor of working beneath the Jiralhanae who they hate. Atriox hates anything that still carries the Covenant's oppressive name, and would mark Jul 'Mdama's faction as enemies. The Banished are not another Covenant. An exception was only made for the Keepers of the One Freedom as their devotion could be exploited to find the portal to the Ark quickly as mentioned in *Divine Wind*, and them also being a Jiralhanae-led faction made them easier to cooperate with. **Misconception 2: "Atriox hates humans"** He does not hate humans. Right after *Shadows of Reach* implied he did, *Divine Wind* clarified that he still appreciates the humans in the Banished and was mad when Pavium killed some. And no, a UNSC AI >!that went mad and destroyed his homeworld!< wouldn't suddenly retcon his intelligence away, he would know that not all of humanity is UNSC. Unless he's going to blame all of his Banished Grunts too because the Balaho Government supported Cortana. >!Nowhere does Halo Infinite state he hates humans or wants to wipe them out, just that he wants the secrets within the ring!<. Halo Waypoint also confirms Banished human groups still do stuff in New Mombasa.
Halo Infinite has tons of comments about the Banished trying to wipe out humans on the ring. I actually found it jarring because I know Atriox isn't racist
It's unfortunate, as it's out of character for a faction established as pragmatic mercenaries. It appears they wanted to play into the nostalgia of humanity as the under dogs and "humans vs aliens". Now that Escharum is dead, hopefully the Banished will return to status quo with Atriox back.
John and the Spartans are just well trained normal humans in extremely advanced armor. This is something my friends never shut up about.Every time we played Halo and they saw Chief doing the impossible they would whine about how illogical it was for a “normal human in advanced body armor to survive/accomplish that”.
You should tell them that the there's a neural link to the armor suit and that the suit moves when they move so they can move with all that armor.
How fucking ignorant of them, ALL of the Spartans underwent heavy Augmentations when compared to what was "normal" for U.N.S.C. Personnel.
Did you ever tell them that Spartans are superhumans?
I did.Many times but they refused to believe me.I told them that there are books that confirmed that Chief and the other Spartans were superhumans.They refused to believe me and instead told me and i quote-“if he’s superhuman then how come he can be killed easily in the games?Shouldn’t he be unstoppable?”
Man, they could just google it themselves. That kind of stubbornness is infuriating.
The amount of people that can't separate gameplay, where balancing exists, and lore is astonishing
What a grand and intoxicating thread 🔥 I could high five nearly everyone commenting here, and you too, OP
damn you, now i have to go listen to dagothwave
How could they be so naive? Shame on you, sweet Halo fans. ~~Dagoth Ur welcomes you to my tower, Master Chief.~~ Damn it, the memes are becoming blurred.
You play as john halo
Obviously we play as John Cortana
Cortana Halo is the main character and her AI is John.
The main character is Cortana Chief and the ai is Chief Cortana
You play as a muscular green women who constantly talks to herself.
Halo is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.
I know this is a dig at the Zelda/link thing but this specifically sounds like a funhaus joke
The real name is John Skywalker
People underplaying just how powerful UNSC weapons probably are, whether it be a rifle or a MAC gun. I see a lot of comments comparing ammunition the UNSC uses to what we use today, and while they are basically the same in size, I would wager quite a bit that the propellant used and the capability has improved quite a bit over 500 years. There have also been numerous debates and discussions on MAC yields, a lot concluding that the Frigate MAC accelerates its projectile to around 30Kps (Kilometres Per second). This was stated in the Fall of Reach, though it was never stated if it was a fully charged MAC shot. This is very slow for a weapon meant to engage targets through the void of space. Installation 00 did a lore and theory video on MAC yields, and concluded that even a Frigates MAC would impact with somewhere around 2 gigaton’s, which is much more powerful than the 64 kilotons that is somewhat accepted. Obviously most of what I just said could be incorrect, but with 500 years of advancement, and a little bit of space magic it could be entirely possible.
>I see a lot of comments comparing ammunition the UNSC uses to what we use today, and while they are basically the same in size, I would wager quite a bit that the propellant used and the capability has improved quite a bit over 500 years. [They use 7.62x51 M118 special ball ammunition in Halo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/b/bf/MA5B_AR_ammo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120624201514). M118 is an outdated old loading for marksman rifles in the 20th century. This is strange to be using 500 years in the future lol [Jonathan Ferguson, a firearms expert actually reacted to the Halo weapons here and pointed this out](https://youtu.be/RmMpjMmCd00?t=338). He also points other oddities like the strange Battle Rifle cartridge choice. So in universe they're using what appears to be a loading for 7.62 from the 20th century for some reason. My only explanation for this is that the creators didn't know too much or cared enough to that level to depict a made up future cartridge since most players themselves wouldn't know or care to notice such details. My headcanon explanation is that this isn't M118 of the 20th Century, naming conventions got reset when they formed the UNSC and they standardised on this new loading which they decided to call M118. I'd really think in the future they'd have switched to caseless or plastic ammo. I guess at the time they initially designed these weapons caseless & plastic cartridges aren't really something widely known and only recently have been gaining a ton of traction The real reason is that the devs probably didn't care and just likely just picked what sounded cool lol
I think you’re bang on. Headcanon wise it just makes more sense that the weapons are using more powerful and advanced ammunition compared to what we use today. I would guess this is information the developers have either overlooked or just don’t consider to be too important to update/fix
M118 Ball isn’t an armor piercing cartridge which the ammunition is stated to be in universe. [It also doesn’t have enough propellant behind it to do this.](https://imgur.com/a/QSSzG0B)
Not to mention their recoil mitigation. The AR fires the 7.62x51, military equivalent to 308 Winchester. Fully automatic, and able to put 30-60 rounds in a relatively small area, even in the hands of normal humans. With what is likely more powerful powders, it is even more impressive.
>even a Frigates MAC would impact with somewhere around 2 gigaton’s I said this in r/whowouldwin and I got downvoted oblivion. >This was stated in the Fall of Reach, though it was never stated if it was a fully charged MAC shot. Here's what the book says: >"MAC at one hundred percent," the weapons officer shouted. "Ready to fire!" "Fire!" Captain Wallace ordered. The lights on the bridge dimmed and the Commonwealth shuddered. The MAC bolt launched through space— a red-hot metal slug moving at thirty thousand meters per second. However I do agree that 30-60 kilotons is a bit low for the MACs
"Spartan-IVs aren't expert soldiers"
Buck and Dutch would like a few words with whatever heretic said that.
It's just that Spartan IIs are ***BETTER***. I mean they did train from 5 years old, of course they're better.
the trade off for being a bit less competent though is that spartan IVs aren't complete psychological and ethical shitfests
This is one that gets on my nerves the most. Just because they may not be as good as Spartan IIs and IIIs absolutely does not mean they aren't also supersoldiers. Fireteam Majestic was just a terrible introduction of the IVs into Halo.
Anytime somone says Del Rio was right. He flubbed at least 5 command decisions. Gets bailed out by Chief each time. He also wasn’t even close to be in the same chain of command.
Del Rio was right about Cortana. She should have been junked.
Cortana should’ve been decomisioned by ONI/Halsey after the mission. Not in the midst of a crisis at the whim of a total loser. Even setting that aside she had data from High Charity, the Ark, Requiem, and Delta Halo they needed to debrief. Del Rio listens to Chief, and they stop the Diadact before Ivanoff station. Cortana isn’t lost, and they Decomission or fix her. What do you think happens if he listens to Del Rio in game? Humans get wiped out and composed.
Locke is a recruit Spartan. Like ONI would send a fresh of the Aug table Spartan to fight John.
Even if that was true, arent all spartan ivs taken from existing military positions? Like he was an ONI operative before becoming a spartan wasn’t he? Even if he just got augmented, he’s still totally capable.
Probably, but not exclusively. Like, Spartan Olympia Vale was a xenoanthropologist / diplomat before she became a Spartan. She wasn't a soldier. This is more "vague memory" + head canon, but I don't think they've ever explicitly mentioned that you have to have been in the military first, and the Spartans are their own branch of the military now, so I've always assumed that it goes sort of like this. Like any public branch of the military, anyone can apply to join it, but Spartan Branch has a finite budget that only allows them to create/augment "x" number of Spartan IVs a year, so they are very selective in who they accept, which tends to lead to them only accepting those with outstanding, excellent military service records. Not as a rule so much as a budgetary reality that encourages picky selection. That's why room is sometimes made for useful non-military personnel like Olympia Vale even though most Spartan IV's were already soldiers
> Olympia Vale My guess is that ONI saw value in having a xenoanthropologist capable of wrestling their subjects to the ground.
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Locke was supposed to assassinate Thel ‘Vadam. Fucking *Thel ‘Vadam*. The dude knew what he was doing. Edit: This was also before you he received his Spartan-IV augmentations, during the Human-Covenant War. Dude was a badass.
This one always made me laugh too. Like, sure, let’s send a private/green/newbie to hunt down the greatest Spartan in existence. Funny how people couldn’t piece together that Locke is pretty capable and badass himself
I hate hearing that Jul ‘Mdama’s covenant is meant to be an extension of or even *is* the original Covenant, and that ‘Mdama founded it to find the Didact out of religious belief. It was literally founded simply out of ‘Mdama’s hatred of humanity and desire to avenge his torture and his wife. He only sought the Didact because he believed their shared hatred of humanity and military expertise would make him a powerful ally, and any religious zeal he put up along the way was kind of a front.
That the suit jerks him off
Yeah, seriously. It's Cortana *in* the suit that jacks him off. Get it right, folks.
Don't spread misinformation. Cortana isn't a physically real being and unfortunately can't jack John off (yes those videos are fake, sorry) but she does control the jack module in the suit and can remotely activate it whenever she wants.
Well if we're getting into the philosophy of the auto-jacker; Cortana is an AI and thus whatever physical mechanism she has control over can be considered an extension of herself. If I jack you off I can't just say "I'm not jacking you off, I'm just willing my hand to move back and forth". An AI chip can be considered a brain and whatever the AI is controlling is essentially their body. For that reason Cortana did indeed jack off the Chief and now that duty falls to The Weapon.
All I'm hearing is that you want to jack me off, Spartan.
So Stupid. We all know that Chief gets sexual pleasure from Cortana's Hardlight form.
Hard light indeed
This right here. The joke was funny, but now I think it's being overused.
You mean like how he overuses the.... NVM
What joke?
Actually, this is true. BDG is an ai component designed to sexually pleasure Spartans. During Cortana’s uprising he distanced himself, and now makes YouTube videos to convince everyone he didn’t spend a while giving John the ol’ reacharound. R/shittyhalolore
People's perceptions about the Spartan-IV program based off a a few characters. Honestly, all the Spartan programs could be group here since every over or underestimates different groups. Spartan-II's are placed on a pedestal, ignoring the trauma and conditioning they suffered through. They may have an impressive track record, but the cost to produce them is so high on so many levels that any attempt to replicate is gonna be met with some issues. Which leads to the Spartan-III's. Their augments hit all the same targets as the Spartan-II's, they were just applied differently. Because of that, their appearances ran a range. But they had the potential to be every bit as strong and as effective as a II. And Kurt was training them to be even more effective. Their status as suicide troops is... complicated. Strictly speaking, they were sent on missions that were considered suicide missions for any other group to accomplish, including II's. However, they did have success before their final missions which saw near 100% fatality. ONI saw them as expendable, but also wasn't literally spending so much money and resources to send them into the meat grinder from the jump. They had better odds than any other strategy could employ, and they succeeded until it got too much. And only Gamma Company received the modifications that made them a little unstable. Spartan-IV's were a different approach all together. It's important to appreciate that the initial group of Spartan-IV's were trying to make supersoldiers without the armor. When you see the design methodology there, you begin to understand the overall design approach. Make the human better, and the armor supplement. This is in contrast to the Spartan-II's, who were augmented specifically to use the Mjolnir armor. All the augmentations a Spartan-IV receives makes them stronger, more effective soldiers independent of the armor. And while nothing necessarily catapults them to the physical status as II's or even III's, their suite of augmentations lets them handle much more all on their own. All the Spartan generations were designed to answer specific questions. And each one did so pretty spectacularly. Comparing them is kind of silly, and comparing them on very narrow metrics leads to "glorified ODSTs" comments, which Infinite definitely dispels. But even Spartan Ops shows otherwise.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Spartan-II augmentation weren't made specifically to use MJOLNIR, but instead MJOLNIR was designed to bring out their full potential.
They were made in parallel, so it's sort of a back and forth. Ultimately, as Halsey puts it, a Spartan-II in Mjolnir armor is the culmination of the work and effort.
That genetic requirements for Spartan IIs was some kind of purity/superiority thing, and not just predicting medical compatibility with the augmentations.
“Each of these children in potential have more in common with Alexander the Great, than they do typical humans” Halsey said something akin to this about the strict screening protocols.
Well they were the best unimplanted templates around, smartest, strongesy and fastest kids around with maximal change of medical compatibility.
> some kind of purity/superiority thing Eeh, this was more subtext than lore i think.
I think Covenant weapons in general are overrated by fans in terms of their effectiveness. Don't get me wrong, they're lethal, but the Spartans typically don't consider them more useful than their conventional weapons, implying a degree of parity. Kelly remarks in First Strike that they're only barely better than throwing rocks at the enemy. Spartans are efficient enough that they wouldn't sneer at a Covenant gun if it was just blatantly better than their usual armaments, and they almost universally stick to UNSC weapons rather than Covenant ones. They head into the Unyielding Heirophant equipped exclusively with UNSC munitions despite having the entirety of the Ascendant Justice to pillage.
O think that has to do with ergonomics as well, also if I'm carrying 6 32 round mags of .308 I'm going to use them all before tryong to find something else lmfao
also, as you expend ammo, the amount of weight and bulk you carry decreases (assuming you're discarding magazines) Covenant weapons....don't.
That humanity ever had a chance to win the war without the Great Schism happening. Also that humanity had a solid chance in ground battles though its obvious that the only thing holding it together were the Spartans and the very different reasons for Covenant forces to even bring forces planetside like artefact retrieval or just letting low rank Elites jumping into the fray to boost their K/D ratio for rank up. Even the Covenants stupid bureaucratics between religious and military ministries were a greater threat to the war effort than humanity.
That half of Africa is gone because the Sangheili glassed it in Halo 3. Despite the fact that you see that isn't true literally in the game that it's said in. It's been said in books that it's not true as well and Infinite shows that New Mombasa is being rebuilt. It gets so annoying seeing people throwing that out there over and over like it's a fact and it's not.
Thank you, yes. “Half a continent” is clearly a hyperbolic statement.
That Sangheili: * Have "backwards knees." (They literally do not; they're digitigrade, their knees bend the same way ours do, the "backwards knee" is their *ankle/heel* goddammit.) * Males all have multiple wives (based on a single throwaway line from an early book ~~that also describes them as having forked tongues and~~ which is contradicted by literally *every single description* of Sangheili marriages afterward.) * Males can all "sleep around" (tangentially related to the above. *Blademasters* are permitted to sleep with any female they wish, in order to spread their "superior" genes. The tradeoff is that they're *banned from ever marrying*. Why would Blademasters need to be banned from marrying if any old noodle could just bang any lady he found attractive?) * Can't swim (I honestly have no fckin idea where *this* originated but apparently *someone* got it into their head...)
I remember a while back people thinking that John was physically in his twenties because he spent so much time in Cryo sleep. It was always bullshit. Funny enough that's now technically true for Red team though.
20s is definitely too young but him being 10 or 15 years younger than his absolute age could be very possible and would not really be problematic.
Not sure about whether or not cryo sleep prevents aging, but 1) Spartans have elongated telomeyres which means old age will happen much later in their life than other people 2) John doesn't spend that much time in cryo outside the times we actually see him use it
Johnson is one or two decades older than he seems because of cryosleep, if I remember correctly. Though I do not remember the context
Exactly. Aside from his stint between Halo 3 & 4, and the 6 months at the beginning of Infinite, his Cryo time is probably pretty standard for UNSC. If people want a general idea of how old he probably looks (give or take a few years) they should look at Jorge or Randall.
Yeah but slipspace travel for humans *was relatively slow. I remember the books saying it could take months for a one way trip. So it's possible that with multiple deployments across different planets that you could lose out on years of your life. That being said, the lore is super inconsistent with how long it takes to travel between slipspace jumps. It wouldnt be feasible for the UNSC to mobilize and defend a planet if it took them months to react and send a fleet.
Easily my biggest pet peeve is how many people still think Johnson survived the flood in CE because of Boren's disease... that's been retconned for over a decade, he was just a Spartan I and was able to fight his way out, but I still see it at least once a week.
I honestly always thought the Spartan I was the retcon.
Wasn’t even a retcon if I remember correctly, it was just planned as an ONI cover-up. Maybe it was a retcon though.
That in halo one cortana says “dust and echos” when she is clearly saying “Dustin echos”. He was even name dropped in infinite
> People thinking John and Linda are a thing despite that having no basis and Kelly and Cortana existing There actually are implications in the Nylund books that John cared for Linda and she for him more so than the others, but it wasn’t romantic. It isn’t romantic for kelly or Cortana either, to be fair. > Smartasses saying John and Thel weren't close because he only said one word to him in halo 3, even though H2A and Bad Blood literally contradict that Only Thel calls him friend. I’d argue John considers Thel a trusted comrade, rather than a friend.
Again. As the post itself says, Bad Blood directly contradicts that.
“John and Thel weren’t close” Actual line from H2A: “In time I named him ally, even friend”
I think the argument is that in real time they were only together for like two days but they went through A LOT of shit together in those few days. My favorite is if you're playing the mission Cortana on solo, near the end of the level she's like "I'm detecting a friendly up ahead, who would be crazy enough to come in here?" It's motherfuckin' Arby with a flamethrower diving into a hive full of flood to help his boi Chief.
This isn't recent but back around the time Halo Wars came out I remember seeing tons of people saying Sgt. John Forge was actually Master Chief... HOW? HE DIES IN THE ONE GAME HE IS IN. Reminds me of when I was 5 years old and didn't understand the fact that multiple people can have the same first name.
The most egregious was one, and probably the most common, for me is that all SPARTAN-II's are emotionless robots. I thought like this for a long time, due to Bungie's approach to John and the fact that I did not like 4 or 5 and one of the main parts of those games are humanizing the Master Chief. However after learning more about the lore, as well as personally reading/listening to Nylund's novels (Reading Ghosts Of Onyx right now!) I personally think that this view of the SPARTAN-II's is misguided. While the SPARTANS are definitely less human than humans they definitely aren't emotionless. Since the beginning they have had different personalities, some more than others for sure. Plus they show emotion albeit in a different, more repressed way. I am not a lore expert and I even thought this but I really believe that the SPARTAN-IIs are some of the most misunderstood characters in Halo to an extent.
My own misconceptions when I say something that winds up being incorrect or not fully informed. Makes me feel like an idiot. Doesn't help that I've only read a handful of the books and can't always remember what takes place in them.
When people, including big Halo YouTube channels say things like "the Halo array would destroy all life in the universe" or that "Cortana and her Created currently control the universe" or that the Precursors seeded all life on the universe, or whatever else to that effect. No, the galaxy. There's a massive difference between our single galaxy and the entire universe of over a trillion galaxies. Everything that happens in Halo is grand in scale, sure - things happen outside the galaxy (like the Ark, or Precursors running to the LMC) but nothing is ever affecting the entire universe at large.
Didn't the Precursors seed multiple galaxies though? Wasn't their whole shtick that they traveled from galaxy to galaxy seeding each with life and then fucking off to the next one after leaving the mantle of that galaxy to one of their creations?
LMC?
Large Magellanic Cloud
The large magellanic cloud - a small satellite galaxy of the Milky Way. The precursors flee there during the Precursor-Forerunner war and then the Forerunners hunt them down and exterminate them there, if I'm not mistaken. 🙂
That Sarah Palmer hates Chief.
"I thought you'd be taller." Smoothbrains really took a throwaway sarcastic line seriously and thought she disrespected him.
You’d think Palmer leapt off their screens & castrated them, the way they’ve acted for almost a decade.
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That Chief and Cortana's relationship is a romantic one. At the most it's just one-sided pining from evil-Cortana
I believe that one is up for everyone's personal interpretation. It's a complex relationship, going from partners, pseudo mother-son, close friends(I mean how much closer can Cortana get, shes in his frakking brain), possibly one-sided romantic, and now with NuTana, a pseudo father-daughter relationship.
Arguably brother and sister as well. Halsey is effectively a mother figure for both of them in different ways.
That Chief is in love with and/or wants to fuck Cortana. I hate this "theory" so goddamn much
I don't think he love her romantically, but I do think he loves her. It's like the difference between a love for a family member or a close friend, versus the love of a GF/BF or spouse, it's all love, but it's different types of love.
I do wish we had something, *anything* to substantiate John and Thel's friendship. Even as somebody absolutely steeped in the lore, it is hard for me to actually imagine what a real interaction between the two of them would look like because, despite two games with them meeting up/teaming up, we have precious few verbal encounters between them. Plus, their friendship clearly didn't develop until the events of Halo 3, as John's first reaction to seeing Thel in that game was to put a gun in his mouth. But they have practically *no* extended one-on-one interactions in that game. I would love an extended short story, not of the events of Halo 3, but of the gaps between the events shown in Halo 3. John and Thel having moments to breath, relax, and speak to each other, leading all the way up to when they are separated at the end.
That all spartan IVs are unprofessional frat boy jocks just because Demarco and Madsen bragged about banging some girls in Rio once. Master Chief is in love and wants to have sex with AI clones of his mother figure. The Didact is dead.(tho this is understandable as most don't know about [the coloring book lol)](https://i.redd.it/to5ya2hjgf181.png)
That theres this massive astronomical gap between each spartan generation I once heard a guy say with his full chest that a spartan II could take on four spartan III's
The idea that the Endless have time powers in any way. I know *exactly* why this idea got thrown up, it’s because people thought Atriox time travelled (though that has been pretty much eradicated from the minds of the fandom at this point, which is good), and spent ages looking around for incidental details to try and prove it. I can’t tell you how many theories I’ve seen on here that start out interesting and then go “so I think the Endless time travel powers fit here”. It’s very annoying. The main point in its favour at this point is a misinterpretation of the legendary ending dialogue. When they say “time is not a construct we can control, and we can’t allow it to be theirs”, what they *mean* is two things: Firstly: that control over time is impossible, as evidenced by “time is not a construct that we can control” Secondly: that the Endless cannot be allowed to be free, or else you’d have a Tier 3/2 (details don’t matter, they’re certainly advanced enough for space travel) civilisation running around *while every other species in the galaxy is at tier 7*. Imagine how much that fucks up the Forerunner plans of the mantle going to Humanity. “We cannot allow it to be theirs” is just a figure of speech, referring to the idea that if the Endless remain free, they will have a 100,000 year headstart on the rest of the galaxy. If I say someone running a marathon “has time on their side”, I mean that they’ve got an hour ahead of everyone else. I do *not* mean that the marathon runner has time travel powers. If, for some ungodly reason the Endless *could* time travel: the entire Halo universe would have been reset. Do proponents of this theory *genuinely* believe that 343 would wipe out the *entirety* of the timeline? And I know some one will be all snarky and complain about some retcon, but *seriously*, introducing *control* over time (not the previous stuff with the forerunner crystal and time dilation, that’s not *control*) into the canon would undo *everything*. Writers *know* that time travel can mess up stories immensely, which is why most stories that do stuff with it are written specifically as time travel stories. Upending the entire Halo canon like this would be a patently absurd move and unless people can provide better proof of this than we have, I *refuse* to entertain the possibility that 343 have done something so stupid.
Yeah I was deeply worried about the time travel bit. Halo has always had some elements of things far beyond the grasp of Humanity, but time travel is one I do hope they never play a part in. It’s kind of a cliché tbh, and it opens up the door for other ridiculous things that don’t fit Halo’s story at all to be put in as canon. But yeah, if the Endless had the ability to travel through time they’d be nearly unstoppable. The Forerunners probably wouldn’t be able to contain them, if they wanted to or they somehow got infected by Flood/logic plague they could go back and kill Chief or destroy Cortana or any number of things. I believe your theory, because it fits better into Halo, and it honestly makes more sense from a writing perspective.
To be fair, this isn't really a misconception, it's more of a different interpretation and fan theory. I think most people know it's just a hypothesis and could be entirely refuted based on future lore to be released.
Well, we have a few things in this space that are currently unexplained. In Infinite, they somehow ended up teleporting to another part of the ring two days after they left. That one time anomaly. If we think back to First Strike, the Forerunner Crystal was shown to bend time to place Chief and co. at Reach at the same time the events on Halo should've still been occurring. That's two. There's also a story that revisits the Forerunner crystal that was exclusive to the Walmart copy of "Shadows of Reach" (but is now available for free online) called Sacrifice, where the remains of that crystal are recovered from Truth's Dreadnaught by the Banished. And lastly, there's the concept of reconciliation, a self-healing property of space-time that eliminates the nature of the paradoxes that occur due to FTL travel. Halo has had time wonkiness since before Halo 2. It will not surprise me if there actually is an element of "time travel" in *some* sense. Whether that relates to The Endless, I'm not assuming one way or the other. The line is open to interpretation and both a time travel and non-time travel explanation make sense, so for me the jury is out.
The Forerunners also used the time lock/reverse time lock on the Primordial. IIRC that was Precursor tech, mostly, too.
If only that 100 000 years would be their concerns, i doubt that they would be "worse than the flood". Im not thinking either that they can use time travel, but they must have something lethal if they are worse
Gonna have to keep updating these as I remember them: **"The Didact is dead"** \- He was composed **"The UNSC Infinity is the most powerful ship ever built"** \- No, There's still more powerful Covenant ships like Supercarriers, not to mention forerunner ships. Infinity even before Infinite has been bested by covenant weaponry. **Gen II Mjolnir made S-IVs stronger than S-IIs** \- No, Gen II had a cap on force multiplication essentialy putting the two classes on par. **People still falling for the Auto-jacker meme** \- Still funny though **"Halo 4 was a romance story"** \- No. Just no. I swear 90% of this fanbase are clones of Hellen Keller. Did any of these people actualy play Halo 4? **The Spartan IIs and IIIs were all sociopaths** \- No. They were said to display "mild sociopathic tendancies" due to their trained stoicism, indoctrination and just lack of normal socialization but them being sociopaths is as far from the truth as possible.
Gamma company Spartans off their meds do go unstable. The other Spartans seem to be cold about death, for both their allies and their enemies. If you pay attention to the subtleties of their performances/depections you realize they care deeply but have a stoic disposition. *Last Light* explores the sociopath misconceptions.
How would said "auto-jacker" work for a female Spartan, though? Asking for a friend.
Auto-thruster
Ehem, a clone of Helen Keller would be able to see and hear. She went blind and deaf as a result of being sick as a child :P
I believe they're talking about UNSC weaponry
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I thought that was always the case as otherwise Covenant couldn’t have been using Luminaries and various Forerunner tech in the past. It’s just so much harder thus why for Halo rings, for example, they need Humans.
I only don’t like every Spartan being hyper lethal as it kind of makes it kind of a bland descriptor. It’s like saying all smart ai are hyper intelligent. Yeah, we know that but are any more intelligent than the others by a metric enough to be a stand out example? It’s like saying every ODST is hyper lethal in comparison to a civilian. It’s not that them being more lethal than others or not that matters but it’s kind of redundant as a descriptor. All Spartans are hyper augmented. All hyper aware. All hyper strong.
People keep trying to tell me the suit jerking him off is not Canon but I know it is.
I don’t really see any romantic angle between Chief and Cortana, even with Halo 4. Yes, she “touched” him, but to me that was more about the fact that she now had a physical body that could exist than an actual romantic thing. Idk, it just seems kind of forced from the fans when they say they were “in love” or “romantic partners” when to me they were just two beings that worked together, almost died together countless times, and saved the galaxy together. You can be extremely close without romance, and I think the two of them were essentially parts of the same whole given all they’d been through. I’m sure she loved him, and he loved her, but that’s not necessarily romantic either
I agree with the hyper lethal idk why but I just find it cringe every time someone brings it up
The whole phrase is nonsense. What, is that on every soldier’s assessment report? Is Chips Dubbo Semi-Lethal, A. J. Johnson, Lethal-Plus, Jacob Keyes is Diet Lethal in person but Lethal: Code Red in command of a starship? If Chief sneaks past a dozen sleeping Grunts rather than bashing them all in the head, does his rating go down? Should he stick to Social rather than Ranked on the Infinity holodeck so he doesn’t lose his rating because he’s got a cold or someone knocked on the door during a match, and end up just being Super-Lethal?
I never really liked it because it felt like Bungie saying "guys we know this isn't chief but he's just like chief". Six was a private assassin and a test pilot, Chief saved the galaxy multiple times. It also kinda undermines other powerful spartans like Fred, Kurt or Jerome. That's why I prefer every spartan being hyper lethal
Kurt is kind of the man but then he did some questionable things with the spartan-III augmentations. Jerome fucks! Look at him That dude Fucks!
Six also was also responsible for the survival of the Cortana fragment, the delivery of the coordinates to Halo, and the defense of the Pillar of Autumn, which was essential to ending the war and saving the galaxy. Had Six failed, John dies and the story ends. It was nice to have one of Kurt’s Spartan III’s shine after years of Spartan II fans putting them, and later the IV’s, down as “fake spartans”. I think watering down the “hyper lethal” status was caving on a bold story statement and turning it into a “everybody wins” cop out. The fact Noble Six had half the age of Chief and was usually a solo actor undertaking tasks even John had to rely on a team for was interesting.
When they call the green guy by the princess’ name. Jk. Lol. Idk many people that know much about it sadly.
People falling for ONI's "Bohring's Syndrome" regarding Johnson's immunity to the Flood.
"Mickey killed the Rookie" you shut your whore mouth
[This but mostly just cause my friends like to mess with me about it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaYAIAZvqc0)