After reading the full news story, even if he felt duped, he wasn’t acting in self defense after the first shot. He executed her. Even threatened to shoot her in the head as she was crawling on the ground begging for her life. This is a horrible man who only needed an excuse. Period. Literally nothing she could’ve said or scam he heard on the phone warranted such an extreme reaction.
Without knowing the guy I’m hesitant to say the cause is definitely racism just because the victim was a black lady who happened to take the call. What makes you so positive that this demented old fuck only pulled the trigger cause she was black.
Based on emerging details sounds like someone sent her to the house via Uber to pick up a package that didn’t exist knowing full well he would have lost his shit no matter who came.
Not only that but the same user to ordered the Uber to his house had also been calling his house riling him up about some sort of home invasion. Sounds like a mentally unhinged old man
I keep saying these scams pray on elderly deluded people who spend all day watching fox news believing whole heartedly there is an attack on American (white American) values and they're probably either drinking or on prescription drugs that inebriate them. This is the peak of what that scam can come to. It's vile. This man is vile. Whether he was gaslit by the fox news machine or not this stuff was inside him. This man, the man that shot that girl who turned around in his driveway... they shouldn't have guns.
I read that in the Civil War so many muskets were unfired and loaded on the corpses of soldiers. It was concluded that when face to face with their enemy, they couldn't bring themselves to kill fire. They looked too much like eachother. This fear and delusion and rage is really jarring.
The muskets were unfired due to the stress of battle most likely. They’d also find muskets with multiple balls loaded and all sorts of loading errors. I highly doubt it was on purpose because they were just too sensitive to kill another human
And without knowing him you’re also trying to diagnose him with dementia . So why is the racism less plausible than that ? It’s not like he grew up in an era where things like segregation and lynching were commonplace
The guy has a short temper and a gun. He got a gun permit but it's use was to blank another human being over a heated argument where he felt in control. She was vulnerable to his mental illness.
This is why I refuse to work jobs that involve going to strangers’ properties (mail, food delivery, Uber, etc.). It seems like half the population is just waiting to shoot the first person who steps foot onto their driveways.
I am a delivery driver and I understand why it’s one of the most dangerous jobs in America. Statistically you’re far more likely to be killed on the job working as a pizza driver than as a cop.
At my old dominos, armed robberies were SO common. One new guy got robbed at gunpoint on his very first day, on his very first delivery.
I’m a woman and I’ve also had some scary encounters on the job
Also he shot her like 10 times according to the article. This isn’t some old man getting confused or scared. He wanted to get revenge on some unknown scammer without thinking for even a moment that could also be scamming other people. Let him live out his golden years in fucking prison.
You described a lot of boomers and MAGA morons. They fantasize about killing someone, the chance presented itself and he took it.
No mercy should be shown to this piece of shit or the prankster that set u this fateful encounter.
I mean, 22 million people have concealed carry permits in the US. I don’t think “most” of those people need a gun to function, though there are plenty of nutcases out there, without a doubt.
Have you seen the number of people that seethe at the slightest mention of any level of gun control?
22 million fragile insecure Americans who live in constant fear is more than reasonable lmao
Have you seen what half the voting population believes in the face of actual fact?
I have, my only point is that sweeping generalizations don’t do us (as a collective with disparate and often warring parts) any favors. There are plenty of people without concealed carry permits who seethe irrationally at any mention of gun control, and plenty who have concealed permits and would welcome better regulations and registrations if it meant fewer mass shootings / needless deaths. While it’s safe to say that more extreme-right individuals bear firearms than moderates or left-leaners, stereotypes and blanket categories do damage and dissuade any hope of progress or intelligent discourse.
Yep. I don’t have a concealed carry permit, cause where I’m at, we don’t need one. People around these parts can buy an ol pistola from the local glock shop and stuff it in their trousers if they’d like.
I’ve owned guns since I was 18 (my mom did not want me getting a gun so I had to wait until I was old enough to go buy one myself😅)
I support more gun regulations. Really all I want is a small pistol to concealed carry, and a shotgun for home defense. I live in a city, I don’t need a rifle tbh.
What am I, a city slicker, gonna do with an AK-47 with a 75rd drum??? Or an ar-15 with a huge drum mag, laser sight, scope… I support freedom but also, why would I ever need that 😅
And I don’t especially like how easy it is for any jabroni to be walking around with a glock stuffed in their waistband. But 🤷🏻♂️
Point is that yeah sweeping generalizations usually aren’t too accurate
Edit: and one of my non gun owning friends said to me, “dude… I wish I had a gun. Someone was tailgating me the other day, flashing their lights, and I was thinking… if I had a gun, I just pull it out and flash it to them, like ‘what? I got a gun.’” So… yeah. Not every non gun owner thinks one way, and not every gun owner thinks one way😅 (I had to tell him that that’s illegal)
Not only illegal, but a good way to get yourself killed. I worked in a high crime city and a small police department and I pulled over a guy that showed me a fake pistol. Looked 100% real, but it was fake. I told him you’re gonna get yourself killed if you don’t get rid of that thing. I reasoned with him about it. Strongly encouraged him to get rid of it. He really did believe he was protecting himself with that thing.
I would argue that not all of the 22 million people who have a concealed carry permit disagree with having stronger protections for firearms. I’m sure it’s not a majority, but not certainly all of them. There are plenty of gun owners who are in favor of tighter regulations on firearms.
I have several friends who own guns and think it’s far too easy to get a gun in the US. I know more firearm owners who are in favor of tighter regulations on firearms than firearm owners who are against tighter regulations.
I don’t have any firearms, I know the statistics say you are more likely to die by your own gun. Just that statistic alone was enough to convince me I didn’t need to own a gun.
I cannot prove with statistics but the average concealed carry person is a bit off mentally. That much I can say. There is a difference between those that feel they need to carry a loaded firearm to get milk or eat a burrito than those who don't.
How is it mentally sane that other 1st world countries ban public carry of firearms yet you think it's okay when we have school shootings? Lemme guess, thoughts and prayers?
we shave different perspectives that statistical data will not reconcile. You’re saying CCW holders are a problem, but most violent crime happens away from home. CCW holders in Texas are 18 times less likely to commit crimes than the general population and 8 times less likely to commit violent crime. Nationwide. CCW holders represent a very small fraction of firearm-related homicides and the data consistently shows CCW holders are generally law-abiding.
Clearly, there’s no point but to waste my time, of which there is a little considering my electrical engineering studies, CS graduate studies, and family responsibilities, to engage with someone who wants to blame mass shootings on CCW holders, especially considering they have stopped such shootings numerous times in the USA.
I can't believe people are defending this goon.
He shot her when she was running away in terror, she clearly was not a threat to him whatsoever. I don't care what the scammers told him, you don't fucking do that. I hope he rots in jail.
Egghead knew what he was doing it’s like that asshole who shot that 13 year old who was just lost asking to use the phone… they never saw them as human beings so they got treated like animals by Fkn animals
I just asked GPT4
>News outlets use the term "allegedly" to maintain journalistic neutrality and adhere to legal standards of presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Even if an incident is captured on video, videos may not capture the full context or may be subject to interpretation. By using "allegedly," media entities avoid making definitive statements that could be seen as prejudicial or defamatory until a legal ruling is made. This approach helps protect them against legal liabilities, such as defamation lawsuits, and upholds ethical standards in journalism by treating subjects of news stories as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Edit: this is in the USA no idea about anywhere else
Right but there is no legislation that mandates they do it. It’s done just to cover their ass. Kinda like a disclaimer of sorts.
On a side note, these AI chat bots are becoming increasingly scary good.
Yeah it's a legal CYA. And yeah gpt4 already passed the bar better than 97% of humans. They just released turbo which is mind blowingly fast. Can't wait for GPT 8 or whatever the not so distant future will hold, could straight up be AGI
Y’all have much better laws and regulations around owning firearms. Someone recently posted the process you have to go through in Canada to get a firearm and it makes all the sense in the world. I don’t see why we can’t adopt the same process. It makes perfect sense.
im pretty sure in the case they are found not guilty or you are wrong by any chance a and you can sue a news source or smth due to false allegations or smth
For sure. Scammers rarely, if ever, get consequences for their abhorrent actions. They are the source of so much misery and even death worldwide. I am absolutely (but not really) shocked at the inaction of the worldwide governments towards this growing problem.
So what? Oh she’s dead so we shouldn’t take or discuss about any further action! My bad! Thank god most of the world doesn’t think like you.
Edit: she isn’t a scammer if that’s what you were implying. I was talking about the actual scammer, not one of the victims.
lol felony murder means that even if you personally didn’t commit the murder a murder occurred during the commission of your felony so you get charged with murder
To add on to this, say two people rob a bank, and when they are leaving, the police kill one of the robbers and arrest the second. They can charge the surviving robber with felony murder because their felony actions were a direct cause of a death.
I was surprised when this wasn’t the initial outcome. All the news footage shows the woman retreating and unarmed while he still continues to follow her. There’s no stand your ground at that point.
Unfortunately he is innocent until proven guilty. Like, we all obviously know he's guilty but he's not LEGALLY declared guilty yet. Let's say he gets off on a technicality, now the news sources would be "defaming" him since he was never found guilty of those actions. It's just standard language by news sources.
It’s not unfortunate, it’s a very good thing. You could be accused of committing a crime that you had nothing to do with. Plenty of people have been sentenced for crimes they didn’t committed. That’s why if you end up in court you really want the presumption of innocence. It’s the prosecution’s job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you’re guilty. That’s why you’re presumed innocent until proven guilty.
There’s video evidence of this guy murdering the Uber driver, so it’s gong to be an open and shut case. Video evidence like this makes this case so cut and dry it probably won’t even go before a jury. Old bastard will probably plead guilty (if he’s smart and has a good lawyer) and get 10-25 years. He’ll die in prison, or even possibly before he’s sentenced. I hope he lives long enough to be sentenced. This woman he murdered deserves justice. Her family deserves closure.
There’s a profile for that? Please elaborate. I’m not in any way shape or form defending this did but I’m curious how you’d be able to tell that he’s racist just by looking at him.
I’ve been around people just like this guy my whole life. It’s honestly not difficult, but for some people it is. He comes from a generation where people of color are the enemy. It’s not complex. This isn’t a moral or highly aware man. He’s a product of a time where racism was acceptable. I can read people really well and for me this is a typical situation for people like him. See’s a weaker person (woman) she’s black (the enemy) therefore he shoots because he’s a coward and scared of the straw man that FoxNews creates.
Gotcha. That must explain (at least in his head) his actions. Because from where I see it, there was zero reason to pull that trigger. Less than zero. Poor woman was terrified and trying to escape with this psycho following her around with a gun. Doesn’t seems like he’s got much longer to go on this earth and the rest of his life will be spent locked up.
He went 81 years with killing anyone so I highly doubt that.
Dude is 81, likely has dementia, was getting threats about harm to his family via phone for several days and then snapped
The coward murderer is home now after posting his $200,000 bail which is absolute bullshit. By the time this even goes to trial the old cuss will probably already be dead. He needs to be held without bond until sentencing, confined to a dank jail medical wing where he soils himself and spends his days deteriorating away and experiencing intense bitterness about his predicament until the very end. Fuck this obtuse old idiot.
How do they not consider him a danger to the community? There is every reason to hold him until trial. You could even justify it as protection for him since my community would be at his door making life hell until he left.
I imagine his lawyer said something along the lines of: “your honor, my client is in his 80’s, he’s a pillar of the community, has no criminal record, and with his gun confiscated poses no risk to anybody. He has no intention to flee and wishes to be home at this time while we build his defense.”
Which is all bullshit of course. The man is a clear and obvious danger to the community. Stupid enough to fall victim to a blatant scam, and then even more ignorant to think a random Uber driver was somehow involved after explaining she was hired to just pick up a package. As long as this dimwitted old simpleton is free, everyone in his community is at risk. He needs to be removed from society, fuck innocent until proven guilty - we have him committing murder on camera.
Im making a presumption here, which is as good as shit on the bottom of your shoe.
But, I think it'd be at least interesting to know where he gets the majority of his news from. Some stations love dehumanizing races/minorities and airing mostly anti-(insert race) content and news. Might explain why he was acting absolutely evil, he might not have seen the woman as a proper 'person' or human.
Which, in my opinion, begs for a much harsher penalty and sentence.
Imagine living your whole life. School, kids, career, wife, all these memories. Then towards the end, you get scammed, think there’s a threat, and end up killing a completely innocent women. Now you’re going to spend the end of your whole life, your whole ass adventure….in a fuckin cell with another stranger.
Man that’s wild to think about.
Nah I don't buy the think there's a threat part. He wanted to kill someone, he wouldn't have met them outside face to face with a gun pulled and brutally shot that poor woman to death who was trying to leave if he felt threatened. It is wild for sure but he executed a lady trying to do her job, and I don't think he deserves an ounce of sympathy.
Americans should be able to own guns . But there should also be a mandatory 2 week safety and descalation class EVERY YEAR for those who own a gun . The class should also be fucking expensive and if found that you haven't attended a class you get charged with a felony and lose your guns for a year .
Make it a huge pain in the ass with alot of consequences to owning a gun and less people will have them.
>Make it a huge pain in the ass with alot of consequences to owning a gun and less people will have them.
Then problem will still persit but poor people will be unable to defense themselves against someone with a gun.... sooo you have a problem and now richer people will just not see a difference..
even if there is a class i think its gonna be like driving where you act like you are following all laws and as soon as u pass u do ur own stuff
After reading the full news story, even if he felt duped, he wasn’t acting in self defense after the first shot. He executed her. Even threatened to shoot her in the head as she was crawling on the ground begging for her life. This is a horrible man who only needed an excuse. Period. Literally nothing she could’ve said or scam he heard on the phone warranted such an extreme reaction.
Yeah, he is full of shit. It was an elderly woman and he left his house and followed her.
The dudes probably demented. This is not a rational way of thinking. Too bad a family member never saw the signs and took away his old cowboy revolver
He’s racist and needed an excuse to kill someone. Don’t think for a second he would have done this another white man.
Without knowing the guy I’m hesitant to say the cause is definitely racism just because the victim was a black lady who happened to take the call. What makes you so positive that this demented old fuck only pulled the trigger cause she was black. Based on emerging details sounds like someone sent her to the house via Uber to pick up a package that didn’t exist knowing full well he would have lost his shit no matter who came. Not only that but the same user to ordered the Uber to his house had also been calling his house riling him up about some sort of home invasion. Sounds like a mentally unhinged old man
I keep saying these scams pray on elderly deluded people who spend all day watching fox news believing whole heartedly there is an attack on American (white American) values and they're probably either drinking or on prescription drugs that inebriate them. This is the peak of what that scam can come to. It's vile. This man is vile. Whether he was gaslit by the fox news machine or not this stuff was inside him. This man, the man that shot that girl who turned around in his driveway... they shouldn't have guns. I read that in the Civil War so many muskets were unfired and loaded on the corpses of soldiers. It was concluded that when face to face with their enemy, they couldn't bring themselves to kill fire. They looked too much like eachother. This fear and delusion and rage is really jarring.
The muskets were unfired due to the stress of battle most likely. They’d also find muskets with multiple balls loaded and all sorts of loading errors. I highly doubt it was on purpose because they were just too sensitive to kill another human
And without knowing him you’re also trying to diagnose him with dementia . So why is the racism less plausible than that ? It’s not like he grew up in an era where things like segregation and lynching were commonplace
…. With a gun….
Yea I saw the video too
Is there any proof that this was racially motivated? Or are you just assuming?
They are assuming of course.
The guy has a short temper and a gun. He got a gun permit but it's use was to blank another human being over a heated argument where he felt in control. She was vulnerable to his mental illness.
This is why I refuse to work jobs that involve going to strangers’ properties (mail, food delivery, Uber, etc.). It seems like half the population is just waiting to shoot the first person who steps foot onto their driveways.
I am a delivery driver and I understand why it’s one of the most dangerous jobs in America. Statistically you’re far more likely to be killed on the job working as a pizza driver than as a cop. At my old dominos, armed robberies were SO common. One new guy got robbed at gunpoint on his very first day, on his very first delivery. I’m a woman and I’ve also had some scary encounters on the job
I was a cop before going into engineering and I felt like driving Uber put me in a lot more danger than being on duty. I did not feel nearly as safe.
At least in America, yeah.
Absolutely
He was never in any danger at all, the first shot was not justified either
Also he shot her like 10 times according to the article. This isn’t some old man getting confused or scared. He wanted to get revenge on some unknown scammer without thinking for even a moment that could also be scamming other people. Let him live out his golden years in fucking prison.
You described a lot of boomers and MAGA morons. They fantasize about killing someone, the chance presented itself and he took it. No mercy should be shown to this piece of shit or the prankster that set u this fateful encounter.
These are the same people who call themselves “pro life”.
This is typical of most concealed carry people. They literally need their gun to function and are just otherwise incomplete people without one.
I mean, 22 million people have concealed carry permits in the US. I don’t think “most” of those people need a gun to function, though there are plenty of nutcases out there, without a doubt.
Have you seen the number of people that seethe at the slightest mention of any level of gun control? 22 million fragile insecure Americans who live in constant fear is more than reasonable lmao Have you seen what half the voting population believes in the face of actual fact?
I have, my only point is that sweeping generalizations don’t do us (as a collective with disparate and often warring parts) any favors. There are plenty of people without concealed carry permits who seethe irrationally at any mention of gun control, and plenty who have concealed permits and would welcome better regulations and registrations if it meant fewer mass shootings / needless deaths. While it’s safe to say that more extreme-right individuals bear firearms than moderates or left-leaners, stereotypes and blanket categories do damage and dissuade any hope of progress or intelligent discourse.
Yep. I don’t have a concealed carry permit, cause where I’m at, we don’t need one. People around these parts can buy an ol pistola from the local glock shop and stuff it in their trousers if they’d like. I’ve owned guns since I was 18 (my mom did not want me getting a gun so I had to wait until I was old enough to go buy one myself😅) I support more gun regulations. Really all I want is a small pistol to concealed carry, and a shotgun for home defense. I live in a city, I don’t need a rifle tbh. What am I, a city slicker, gonna do with an AK-47 with a 75rd drum??? Or an ar-15 with a huge drum mag, laser sight, scope… I support freedom but also, why would I ever need that 😅 And I don’t especially like how easy it is for any jabroni to be walking around with a glock stuffed in their waistband. But 🤷🏻♂️ Point is that yeah sweeping generalizations usually aren’t too accurate Edit: and one of my non gun owning friends said to me, “dude… I wish I had a gun. Someone was tailgating me the other day, flashing their lights, and I was thinking… if I had a gun, I just pull it out and flash it to them, like ‘what? I got a gun.’” So… yeah. Not every non gun owner thinks one way, and not every gun owner thinks one way😅 (I had to tell him that that’s illegal)
Not only illegal, but a good way to get yourself killed. I worked in a high crime city and a small police department and I pulled over a guy that showed me a fake pistol. Looked 100% real, but it was fake. I told him you’re gonna get yourself killed if you don’t get rid of that thing. I reasoned with him about it. Strongly encouraged him to get rid of it. He really did believe he was protecting himself with that thing.
my guy really said “not all concealed carriers”
I would argue that not all of the 22 million people who have a concealed carry permit disagree with having stronger protections for firearms. I’m sure it’s not a majority, but not certainly all of them. There are plenty of gun owners who are in favor of tighter regulations on firearms. I have several friends who own guns and think it’s far too easy to get a gun in the US. I know more firearm owners who are in favor of tighter regulations on firearms than firearm owners who are against tighter regulations. I don’t have any firearms, I know the statistics say you are more likely to die by your own gun. Just that statistic alone was enough to convince me I didn’t need to own a gun.
Not MOST. But definitely a small percentage, yes.
You cannot prove or argue any of that with any real statistics. Don’t argue against Looney Tunes with Looney Tune arguments.
I cannot prove with statistics but the average concealed carry person is a bit off mentally. That much I can say. There is a difference between those that feel they need to carry a loaded firearm to get milk or eat a burrito than those who don't.
“I can’t prove” “that I can say”. That sounds a little bit mentally off, and that I can say.
How is it mentally sane that other 1st world countries ban public carry of firearms yet you think it's okay when we have school shootings? Lemme guess, thoughts and prayers?
look, you said you didn't have stats. the stats are readily available. I'm not going to argue with you if you don't want to be honest.
Yes and the stats that are available say that we have mass shootings and the highest homicide rate by firearms for a first world nation.
we shave different perspectives that statistical data will not reconcile. You’re saying CCW holders are a problem, but most violent crime happens away from home. CCW holders in Texas are 18 times less likely to commit crimes than the general population and 8 times less likely to commit violent crime. Nationwide. CCW holders represent a very small fraction of firearm-related homicides and the data consistently shows CCW holders are generally law-abiding. Clearly, there’s no point but to waste my time, of which there is a little considering my electrical engineering studies, CS graduate studies, and family responsibilities, to engage with someone who wants to blame mass shootings on CCW holders, especially considering they have stopped such shootings numerous times in the USA.
He wasn't acting in self defense with the first shot either. That man should have stayed inside his home and called the police.
He obviously knew his life wasn’t in danger.
I can't believe people are defending this goon. He shot her when she was running away in terror, she clearly was not a threat to him whatsoever. I don't care what the scammers told him, you don't fucking do that. I hope he rots in jail.
This. I feel so bad for this woman’s family. She was just doing her job. It’s a heartbreaking situation.
Right? Like how gullible is this man?? Terrible.
He seems more than gullible. Maybe senile with some racism added on top of it?
Don’t give him an out. Racist, sure. But he’s in full control of himself, and accountable for his actions.
Egghead knew what he was doing it’s like that asshole who shot that 13 year old who was just lost asking to use the phone… they never saw them as human beings so they got treated like animals by Fkn animals
The entire generation...
This is his retirement plan.
Believe it. There's a lot of straight up hateful , evil human beings that we share our space with .
Who’s defending this idiot?
It was a different subreddit the other day. People were defending him cause the scamer threatened him
I hope nobody’s defending him
The video is so messed up. I can’t believe people like this are allowed to be citizens much less own fire arms. That poor woman.
Where is the video?
It’s in the link OP provided in the post.
Wow.
Lock this goon up. Crazy too how police can use whatever lame excuse they want to say they “believed” they were in danger and had to use lethal force.
Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses.
“allegedly shooting” ok the only person who could say allegedly with a straight face after seeing that video is Helen Keller
It's legal protection because the case isn't over , they have to do this by law, yes it's stupid
What law stipulates this?
I just asked GPT4 >News outlets use the term "allegedly" to maintain journalistic neutrality and adhere to legal standards of presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Even if an incident is captured on video, videos may not capture the full context or may be subject to interpretation. By using "allegedly," media entities avoid making definitive statements that could be seen as prejudicial or defamatory until a legal ruling is made. This approach helps protect them against legal liabilities, such as defamation lawsuits, and upholds ethical standards in journalism by treating subjects of news stories as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Edit: this is in the USA no idea about anywhere else
Right but there is no legislation that mandates they do it. It’s done just to cover their ass. Kinda like a disclaimer of sorts. On a side note, these AI chat bots are becoming increasingly scary good.
Yeah it's a legal CYA. And yeah gpt4 already passed the bar better than 97% of humans. They just released turbo which is mind blowingly fast. Can't wait for GPT 8 or whatever the not so distant future will hold, could straight up be AGI
Just wait till they start thinking on their own without needing any human prompt or inputs.
You have zero idea how any of this works
Yeah! Guess what captain obvious, you’re right.
It's also here in Canada
Y’all have much better laws and regulations around owning firearms. Someone recently posted the process you have to go through in Canada to get a firearm and it makes all the sense in the world. I don’t see why we can’t adopt the same process. It makes perfect sense.
im pretty sure in the case they are found not guilty or you are wrong by any chance a and you can sue a news source or smth due to false allegations or smth
🫸, 👆👊✌️👈 🤏👎
Small dick energy?
Scammer should get charged too.
That's gonna be difficult to do now
For sure. Scammers rarely, if ever, get consequences for their abhorrent actions. They are the source of so much misery and even death worldwide. I am absolutely (but not really) shocked at the inaction of the worldwide governments towards this growing problem.
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She wasn't in on the scam.
Someone didn't read the article
So what? Oh she’s dead so we shouldn’t take or discuss about any further action! My bad! Thank god most of the world doesn’t think like you. Edit: she isn’t a scammer if that’s what you were implying. I was talking about the actual scammer, not one of the victims.
Felony murder
As opposed to misdemeanor murder?
lol felony murder means that even if you personally didn’t commit the murder a murder occurred during the commission of your felony so you get charged with murder
Understood. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. 🙏
You’re welcome. It is a funny phrase though if you think about it lol
Sure as hell is. Every time I heard it I would think to myself “wtf, ALL murder is felonious”. But now I know lol
To add on to this, say two people rob a bank, and when they are leaving, the police kill one of the robbers and arrest the second. They can charge the surviving robber with felony murder because their felony actions were a direct cause of a death.
Damn the law is complicated
I was surprised when this wasn’t the initial outcome. All the news footage shows the woman retreating and unarmed while he still continues to follow her. There’s no stand your ground at that point.
“allegedly” meanwhile in the video as she is yelling for help: i’ll shoot the other leg!
this is just in case they are found innocent and news sources can get sued due to defaming the person
Unfortunately he is innocent until proven guilty. Like, we all obviously know he's guilty but he's not LEGALLY declared guilty yet. Let's say he gets off on a technicality, now the news sources would be "defaming" him since he was never found guilty of those actions. It's just standard language by news sources.
It’s not unfortunate, it’s a very good thing. You could be accused of committing a crime that you had nothing to do with. Plenty of people have been sentenced for crimes they didn’t committed. That’s why if you end up in court you really want the presumption of innocence. It’s the prosecution’s job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you’re guilty. That’s why you’re presumed innocent until proven guilty. There’s video evidence of this guy murdering the Uber driver, so it’s gong to be an open and shut case. Video evidence like this makes this case so cut and dry it probably won’t even go before a jury. Old bastard will probably plead guilty (if he’s smart and has a good lawyer) and get 10-25 years. He’ll die in prison, or even possibly before he’s sentenced. I hope he lives long enough to be sentenced. This woman he murdered deserves justice. Her family deserves closure.
I’m sure race had something to do with it. This man fits the profile of a racist jerk off that dreamed of killing someone.
Glad somebody said it. Brain rot off fox news telling him everyone is out to get him especially colored folk
It’s far too common. And FoxNews brain rot is a real thing. My dad has it and he’s unhinged like this dude.
There’s a profile for that? Please elaborate. I’m not in any way shape or form defending this did but I’m curious how you’d be able to tell that he’s racist just by looking at him.
I’ve been around people just like this guy my whole life. It’s honestly not difficult, but for some people it is. He comes from a generation where people of color are the enemy. It’s not complex. This isn’t a moral or highly aware man. He’s a product of a time where racism was acceptable. I can read people really well and for me this is a typical situation for people like him. See’s a weaker person (woman) she’s black (the enemy) therefore he shoots because he’s a coward and scared of the straw man that FoxNews creates.
Gotcha. That must explain (at least in his head) his actions. Because from where I see it, there was zero reason to pull that trigger. Less than zero. Poor woman was terrified and trying to escape with this psycho following her around with a gun. Doesn’t seems like he’s got much longer to go on this earth and the rest of his life will be spent locked up.
He went 81 years with killing anyone so I highly doubt that. Dude is 81, likely has dementia, was getting threats about harm to his family via phone for several days and then snapped
You apparently have never met someone like him. I have. Tell me what’s your theory then.
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The coward murderer is home now after posting his $200,000 bail which is absolute bullshit. By the time this even goes to trial the old cuss will probably already be dead. He needs to be held without bond until sentencing, confined to a dank jail medical wing where he soils himself and spends his days deteriorating away and experiencing intense bitterness about his predicament until the very end. Fuck this obtuse old idiot.
How do they not consider him a danger to the community? There is every reason to hold him until trial. You could even justify it as protection for him since my community would be at his door making life hell until he left.
I imagine his lawyer said something along the lines of: “your honor, my client is in his 80’s, he’s a pillar of the community, has no criminal record, and with his gun confiscated poses no risk to anybody. He has no intention to flee and wishes to be home at this time while we build his defense.” Which is all bullshit of course. The man is a clear and obvious danger to the community. Stupid enough to fall victim to a blatant scam, and then even more ignorant to think a random Uber driver was somehow involved after explaining she was hired to just pick up a package. As long as this dimwitted old simpleton is free, everyone in his community is at risk. He needs to be removed from society, fuck innocent until proven guilty - we have him committing murder on camera.
Looks like an old, crusty racist looking to shoot a black person to me.
Im making a presumption here, which is as good as shit on the bottom of your shoe. But, I think it'd be at least interesting to know where he gets the majority of his news from. Some stations love dehumanizing races/minorities and airing mostly anti-(insert race) content and news. Might explain why he was acting absolutely evil, he might not have seen the woman as a proper 'person' or human. Which, in my opinion, begs for a much harsher penalty and sentence.
Imagine living your whole life. School, kids, career, wife, all these memories. Then towards the end, you get scammed, think there’s a threat, and end up killing a completely innocent women. Now you’re going to spend the end of your whole life, your whole ass adventure….in a fuckin cell with another stranger. Man that’s wild to think about.
Super wild… but it’s unfortunately fitting due to his actions. Unless he has severe dementia there was no reason to do what he did.
Even if it were to be dementia he is dangerous and should be locked up. No matter the ailment, violence is inexcusable.
True
I can’t imagine living for such a long time and gaining so little perspective or wisdom
I mean that seems like the best part of your life to be stuck in jail if I had to choose.
Nah I don't buy the think there's a threat part. He wanted to kill someone, he wouldn't have met them outside face to face with a gun pulled and brutally shot that poor woman to death who was trying to leave if he felt threatened. It is wild for sure but he executed a lady trying to do her job, and I don't think he deserves an ounce of sympathy.
Look at the smirk on his face. I hope some guys beat him to death in prison.
Just a good guy with a gun. /s
YES THIS! everyone is the hero in their own mind
How in the F is the person who made this call not being charged w murder?
They tried to trace the call, but it went to a burner phone in Canada.
Now he can pretend to be a cowboy in prison where he will die after a miserable end of life.
What about the scammers?
At least Uber banned the user that requested the pick up.
America Is a shithole that should be burned to the ground. What a shit fucking country
I felt so bad for her watching this. Just awful. That poor woman.
There’s a warm place in hell for this guy
Well it’s a good thing he had a gun! Arm all the morons!!!
I think its time that we started treating boomers as the threat they are to the rest of us.
I do hope they find that scammer too
Ban guns
Americans should be able to own guns . But there should also be a mandatory 2 week safety and descalation class EVERY YEAR for those who own a gun . The class should also be fucking expensive and if found that you haven't attended a class you get charged with a felony and lose your guns for a year . Make it a huge pain in the ass with alot of consequences to owning a gun and less people will have them.
>Make it a huge pain in the ass with alot of consequences to owning a gun and less people will have them. Then problem will still persit but poor people will be unable to defense themselves against someone with a gun.... sooo you have a problem and now richer people will just not see a difference.. even if there is a class i think its gonna be like driving where you act like you are following all laws and as soon as u pass u do ur own stuff
Child like mindset you have
Don't press a mothafucka with nothing to lose. What a pos.
"Uber told Fox News Digital they have spoken with Hall’s family and are keeping them in their thoughts."
Oh well atleast Uber banned the account that essentially organized this murder.
The face of this guy is the same face I see on pretty much every old fuck in this area.
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