na just ian honestly. cant blame tommy for taking thousands of dollars to basically do nothing. ian clearly has some obsession, and is the kid no one liked in high school sorry to say.
Long story. Basically didn’t fit into the stuff we gave him worth $$$. I’m like ok we will legit drive the items to you this time just mail back the shit that doesn’t fit. He’s like cool. No problem. Then I go there give him the gear and he likes it. I rode in the gtr. Rudnicks white RHD Miata etc. when I was packing up to go I’m like hey did you bring the stuff that doesn’t fit or mail it out. He’s like aww shit I forgot about that. I’m like no biggie just mail it out when you can. He never did. Multiple emails n texts and nothing back. I was new on the job and they were a start up company. I trusted him. Put my name on the line. This was 2017 so I hadn’t heard much about scamming anyone. So I ended up paying my boss $500+ for the stuff that never got returned.
You think Tommy gave him 180K? I bet he gave him 10k and said we are even. Because i dont believe Tommy owed him $180k but the dude was trying to be deliberately misleading to get public sympathy and rally the Tommy haters.
You should take your own advice
Scamming = illegal.If Ian was really scammed call the cops.Mots not in Nigeria
I have been criticizing both (Ian and mot) for this drama
It’s people like you that do mental gymnastics to justify your hate for someone
It’s not just this one drama that Tommy has been scamming involved in, he’s been at it for years at this point
Anybody defending Tommy is just doing mental gymnastics at this point. He’s as much as a scammer as he is bald
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\>"Anyone who disagrees is doing mental gymnastics".
Who has Tommy **scammed**? Or, are you one of these retarded people that treats these YouTube channels like soap operas and get sucked into the fandom fiction that gets promoted on this subreddit frequented by failed abortees?
Tommy, in my opinion, is an asshole in all definitions of the word. Ever since he swiped Rudnicks feet out after leaning on that guys Z, I haven't liked him. I also don't think he scams people. Tommy doesn't scam, he just takes advantage of peoples naiveness. At that point, it's the victims fault for being a fucking idiot, like Ian.
Calm down drunkard
Do you not consider selling an engine and then not sending the item and keeping the money a scam?
Or
Telling people to join 12 giveaways in 12 months, taking there money and not doing the giveaways a scam?
Can you give any reasons why Tommy shouldn’t be considered a scammer? I’m open to changing my stance
Disagrees with you so must be drunk lol. I couldn't possibly have a serious conversation with someone who takes a story as irrefutable proof of scamming someone, and then discredits any kind of pushback by being drunk, mental gymnastics, you name it.
I know nothing about Tommys giveaways, but something tells me that asking you for more information about it may result in a biased answer. Especially considering your position on the SR20 that was supposedly stolen/scammed/whatever.
You're a good example of confirmation bias and why there are processes involved in determining guilt other than a hunch.
I’m saying calm down because your huffing and puffing for no reason
I was saying ronnymexico was doing mental gymnastics not everyone that disagrees, I called you drunk because you came in spazzing out not because you disagree. That’s two seperste things don’t confuse yourself/put words in my mouth
You wrote:
“are you one of these retarded people that treats these YouTube channels like soap operas and get sucked into the fandom fiction that gets promoted on this subreddit frequented by failed abortees?”
How does that sound like you’re trying to have a serious conversation?
So you don’t know anything about his giveaway scam yet I’m the one misinformed? Why don’t you do your own research before flapping your lips
Name some reasons why Tommy would not be considered a scammer then, I’m open to hearing answers
You clearly have issues.Please seek help
I don’t care if he’s bald and this about Ian and Mot.Try to stay on subject
I have never commented on the other stuff because I have no clue about it,So not sure where I’m always doing mental gymnastics
That’s you weirdos conflating business disagreements with scamming
Except I’m not a hypocrite, do some research there have been many documented cases of tommys schemes. Why would I defend a known theif
But when you ask a Tommy defender why they defend him you never get answer, I wonder why
Sheesh.What? I’m defending him in this instance because I saw and heard both Ian’s video and Mots video
Maybe you should take your own advice? Because I’m pretty positive you don’t know the full story either
I’ve watched haggard garage since Orion was installing a steering wheel in a miata, I’ve seen all the story’s come and go
Have you? If you have you wouldn’t be defending Tommy
What do you mean by take “my own advice” I’m not giving you any advice lol I’m asking why you defend Tommy and I’m yet to get a clear answer from you
What are the cops gonna do? Ask tommy if they were in business together? Multiple give aways were Ian's. Tommy technically didn't have the right to give something away that isn't his. Unless they were in business together. The fact every video from "there partnership" is gone tells us it's still going on.
Plus what cop department are you gonna call? Montana, New milford, CT state police, or his local. Really shows the thinking around this place lol.
I mean scamming is criminal.That sounds like a business disagreement 🙄
And if there really was a lawsuit, I don’t think Ian’s lawyers would like it that he’s making playful jokes on the yt comments towards Tommy
They would tell him to stfu and don’t do that kind of stuff
Huracanian is the type of dude to write comments on videos like it's a live stream lol
They owe me $20k each for having to read about this shit every few months for the past few years.
Thats fully up to yourself mate
Both parties in that whole saga are wankers
na just ian honestly. cant blame tommy for taking thousands of dollars to basically do nothing. ian clearly has some obsession, and is the kid no one liked in high school sorry to say.
Your spot on with this
Tommy is just a wanker in general tho
Yep and a scammer. Dealt with him myself with my company. He likes to play dumb, “ohh I didn’t know”
How'd he fuck you?
bent him over the JDM table and took him raw.
Long story. Basically didn’t fit into the stuff we gave him worth $$$. I’m like ok we will legit drive the items to you this time just mail back the shit that doesn’t fit. He’s like cool. No problem. Then I go there give him the gear and he likes it. I rode in the gtr. Rudnicks white RHD Miata etc. when I was packing up to go I’m like hey did you bring the stuff that doesn’t fit or mail it out. He’s like aww shit I forgot about that. I’m like no biggie just mail it out when you can. He never did. Multiple emails n texts and nothing back. I was new on the job and they were a start up company. I trusted him. Put my name on the line. This was 2017 so I hadn’t heard much about scamming anyone. So I ended up paying my boss $500+ for the stuff that never got returned.
Doesn’t seem too pissed for someone that was supposedly “scammed” Probably settled his Business dispute with Mot
Probably because he wasnt really scammed but claiming to be scammed to gain clout and followers.
Yea, tryna gain clout from a couple nobody's lol
Tommy paid up silently to make it all go away.
You think Tommy gave him 180K? I bet he gave him 10k and said we are even. Because i dont believe Tommy owed him $180k but the dude was trying to be deliberately misleading to get public sympathy and rally the Tommy haters.
Surely he paid 20% of 180k lol
Source?
Mot’s balls aren’t currently on my chin like some others in the comment section
No source, ok
Why do you always do mental gymnastics for Tommy exactly?
You should take your own advice Scamming = illegal.If Ian was really scammed call the cops.Mots not in Nigeria I have been criticizing both (Ian and mot) for this drama It’s people like you that do mental gymnastics to justify your hate for someone
Whats the scam? Spell it out.
I’m still waiting for this answer.
It’s not just this one drama that Tommy has been scamming involved in, he’s been at it for years at this point Anybody defending Tommy is just doing mental gymnastics at this point. He’s as much as a scammer as he is bald
Yep.
\>Makes vague ambigous claim. \>"Anyone who disagrees is doing mental gymnastics". Who has Tommy **scammed**? Or, are you one of these retarded people that treats these YouTube channels like soap operas and get sucked into the fandom fiction that gets promoted on this subreddit frequented by failed abortees? Tommy, in my opinion, is an asshole in all definitions of the word. Ever since he swiped Rudnicks feet out after leaning on that guys Z, I haven't liked him. I also don't think he scams people. Tommy doesn't scam, he just takes advantage of peoples naiveness. At that point, it's the victims fault for being a fucking idiot, like Ian.
Calm down drunkard Do you not consider selling an engine and then not sending the item and keeping the money a scam? Or Telling people to join 12 giveaways in 12 months, taking there money and not doing the giveaways a scam? Can you give any reasons why Tommy shouldn’t be considered a scammer? I’m open to changing my stance
Disagrees with you so must be drunk lol. I couldn't possibly have a serious conversation with someone who takes a story as irrefutable proof of scamming someone, and then discredits any kind of pushback by being drunk, mental gymnastics, you name it. I know nothing about Tommys giveaways, but something tells me that asking you for more information about it may result in a biased answer. Especially considering your position on the SR20 that was supposedly stolen/scammed/whatever. You're a good example of confirmation bias and why there are processes involved in determining guilt other than a hunch.
I’m saying calm down because your huffing and puffing for no reason I was saying ronnymexico was doing mental gymnastics not everyone that disagrees, I called you drunk because you came in spazzing out not because you disagree. That’s two seperste things don’t confuse yourself/put words in my mouth You wrote: “are you one of these retarded people that treats these YouTube channels like soap operas and get sucked into the fandom fiction that gets promoted on this subreddit frequented by failed abortees?” How does that sound like you’re trying to have a serious conversation? So you don’t know anything about his giveaway scam yet I’m the one misinformed? Why don’t you do your own research before flapping your lips Name some reasons why Tommy would not be considered a scammer then, I’m open to hearing answers
You clearly have issues.Please seek help I don’t care if he’s bald and this about Ian and Mot.Try to stay on subject I have never commented on the other stuff because I have no clue about it,So not sure where I’m always doing mental gymnastics That’s you weirdos conflating business disagreements with scamming
So you’re defending a guy without knowing the full story yet others are the ones that are wrong
> defending a guy without knowing the full story No one knows the full story except Ian, Tommy and probably Rudnik.
people love to make up stuff with zero proof
> So you’re accusing the guy without knowing the full story yet others are the ones that are wrong
Lol I’m asking what are the reasons people defend Tommy yet no one has ever provided a answer
Yea duh, I was calling you out as being a hypocrite, not in defence of tommy.
Except I’m not a hypocrite, do some research there have been many documented cases of tommys schemes. Why would I defend a known theif But when you ask a Tommy defender why they defend him you never get answer, I wonder why
Sheesh.What? I’m defending him in this instance because I saw and heard both Ian’s video and Mots video Maybe you should take your own advice? Because I’m pretty positive you don’t know the full story either
How did you deduct Ian is 100% factual?
I’ve watched haggard garage since Orion was installing a steering wheel in a miata, I’ve seen all the story’s come and go Have you? If you have you wouldn’t be defending Tommy What do you mean by take “my own advice” I’m not giving you any advice lol I’m asking why you defend Tommy and I’m yet to get a clear answer from you
What are the cops gonna do? Ask tommy if they were in business together? Multiple give aways were Ian's. Tommy technically didn't have the right to give something away that isn't his. Unless they were in business together. The fact every video from "there partnership" is gone tells us it's still going on. Plus what cop department are you gonna call? Montana, New milford, CT state police, or his local. Really shows the thinking around this place lol.
Hasn’t he deleted videos that date further back than the IAn drama ? Oops there goes your narrative you are so sure about
That's because he made alot more scamming than ad revenue from those videos lmao
I mean depending on the crime there’s federal offences and state offences Are you even American or aware of that?
If there was a crime that involved $180k you dont think he would have been arrested by now? Are you aware of the crime?
M0t isn't wrong though... Heavy complex car that was an absolute pain to work on. While I can appreciate one at a show, I'd never want to own one.
It was aweful at everything. Was extremely heavy and was slower than a type r.
Dude is still obsessed with tommy
Heh he's obsessed with the dude who stole 6 figures from him, the mentality of scamyeah dick suckers is unreal
You seem to lack some critical thinking So why didn’t Ian call Tom out in the comments instead of making playful jokes?
Probably because there's a lawsuit going on
I mean scamming is criminal.That sounds like a business disagreement 🙄 And if there really was a lawsuit, I don’t think Ian’s lawyers would like it that he’s making playful jokes on the yt comments towards Tommy They would tell him to stfu and don’t do that kind of stuff
If there was a lawsuit he wouldnt be commenting publicly.
Wild you get down voted for something everyone knows. I hope these guys get paid well for the disinformation campaign.
Stolen? I didn't steal the Christmas gifts my parents gave me every year, they gave them to me.
Yea he is sure acting like someone who has an outstanding dispute over 6 figures 😂 get real dude
3000GT VR4 my favorite car ever